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Speaker 1: Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's the ej Envy, Charlamagne the God. We are the

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building,

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Speaker 2: a legend when it comes to this hip hop thing. Man,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, Fab five Freddy welcome, brother hey man.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure to be here, man, what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure to have you, brother man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Man.

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Speaker 4: First of all, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm wonderful. Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we just celebrated fifty years of

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Speaker 4: hip hop.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean to Fab five Freddy?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 6: Man? Like I said, it's been I tell you, it's

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Speaker 6: been incredible just going through the motions. But at that

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Speaker 6: Yankee Stadium gig, the vibe in there amongst the people,

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Speaker 6: the energy, that enthusiasm that like grown folks you know

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Speaker 6: that lived through it, been through it hurt, all these

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Speaker 6: hits having an incredible time. And then when the axe

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Speaker 6: was on, I'm looking way up all around and people

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Speaker 6: up in the highest points of Yankee Stadium rocking the house.

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Speaker 6: So that hit me like, wow, this people really feel this.

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Speaker 6: It's just hard to articulate how how much it resonated

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Speaker 6: for the community that made this all happen, and to

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Speaker 6: be in the Bronx like it was just it all

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Speaker 6: came together for me.

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Speaker 5: Did you ever think that hip hop would take it

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Speaker 5: this farr to quote the lady, I know, I loved

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Speaker 5: that call.

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Speaker 3: Not at all, Not at all.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean I was clearly thinking of, like

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Speaker 6: you know, in terms of the moves I made, having

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Speaker 6: some control over the narrative, you know, being that being

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Speaker 6: aware that people that look like us in previous generations

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Speaker 6: of our culture didn't have that ability to host the

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Speaker 6: shows that you know, you know, the footprint that you

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Speaker 6: guys have and the things that others like us in

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Speaker 6: media and do these things. So that was like a

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Speaker 6: super significant thing that I thought about from beginning. But

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Speaker 6: to see it come to this point globally the most

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Speaker 6: listened to form of music around the world, still, it's

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Speaker 6: just astonishing.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's go back for people that don't know who

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Speaker 2: Fab five Freddy is. You started off as a graffiti artist, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So let's let's start from the beginning how you got

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Speaker 2: into this thing called hip hop and what you created

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Speaker 2: Because you started off as a graffiti artist, right, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you were tagging trains back in the day

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Speaker 2: because that was the thing to do.

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Speaker 6: The trains, that was the thing to do, the trains,

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Speaker 6: the walls, the buses, right anywhere. It was an audacious

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Speaker 6: thing to do when when I think back, so many

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Speaker 6: New York teenagers back then in the seventies just felt

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Speaker 6: like it was okay to put your name anywhere you

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Speaker 6: that developed into a real, you know, refined and defined

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Speaker 6: form of expression, ways of using them spray cans that

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Speaker 6: nobody ever envision anywhere, Like you know, spray cans is

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Speaker 6: just just you know, the pain and the old piece

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Speaker 6: or whatever right around the house. Now we've created, you know,

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Speaker 6: a way to make murals that kind of tell stories

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Speaker 6: about who we are and what we you know, where

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Speaker 6: and all those things. It was like a fantasy, you know,

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Speaker 6: kind of like rap was that too. I'm going to

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Speaker 6: invent myself and talk about all these things I want

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Speaker 6: to do, And in graph as it began to really flower,

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Speaker 6: it was like, you know, I'm a superhero and my

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Speaker 6: name is Big and you know, all those things kind

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Speaker 6: of took off in ways that and then you know,

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Speaker 6: early on I got something clicked in my head that,

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Speaker 6: you know, looking at pop art and what you know.

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Speaker 6: I used to go to museums a lot as a

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Speaker 6: kid and looked at what Andy Warholl and these pop

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Speaker 6: artists were doing, and I was like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 6: they're inspired by the same things that we were as

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Speaker 6: graffiti artists, like like looking at popular culture names, comic

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Speaker 6: made me want to be a visual artist like those

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Speaker 3: Art, which is also like a global thing.

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Speaker 6: You know, probably heard of my homie Rest in Peace

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Speaker 6: Jean michel Boski io young brother out of Brooklyn, and

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Speaker 6: we met on that downtown scene. Had similar aspirations figure

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Speaker 6: out a way to be artists, Like Malcolm X said,

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Speaker 6: by any means necessarily, yeah, he used to Jean was tagging,

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Speaker 6: but he was putting up these like poetic phrases, quotes

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Speaker 6: that were not in any way like typical graffiti, but

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Speaker 6: it was a part of graffiti.

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Speaker 3: And nobody knew he was a young brother doing it.

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Speaker 6: Initially He started out doing something called same O, which

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Speaker 6: was sort of short for same O, you know what

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Speaker 3: And then that developed and then we met and he

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Speaker 6: He turned out to be a brother like he was

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Speaker 6: doing stuff around Soho in the village area. People didn't

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Speaker 6: know he was a brother, and we met at a

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Speaker 6: party writer as I'm kind of stepping on that downtown

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Speaker 6: art scene, and we both had similar aspirations to try

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Speaker 6: we kind of linked up and we're in the same circuit.

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Speaker 6: Blondie was somebody that we met pretty much at the

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Speaker 6: same time. I'm in their ear about this new culture,

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Speaker 6: and then they kind of took us under their wings,

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Speaker 6: first people to buy paintings.

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Speaker 3: For myself and Jean Michelle and then made.

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Speaker 6: You know, took some inspiration from them stories I told

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Speaker 6: them and made a record called Rapture Altho.

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Speaker 2: We Got to Stay Here for a Minute was the

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Speaker 2: first video on MTV.

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Speaker 6: That was one of the MTV's first videos, which I'm

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Speaker 6: featured in along with Jean Michelle. I tried to get

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Speaker 6: flash was supposed to have come to be the DJ

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Speaker 6: i'd met, because you know, it was working on the

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Speaker 6: first hip hop movie while Style of It in that

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Speaker 6: same time frame, early eighties. I said, Flash, come down

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Speaker 6: and be in this video. You know, to think that

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Speaker 6: there was no MTV at that time, so we did

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Speaker 6: music video was not a thing. But still I'm like,

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Speaker 6: they had this idea to create a music video. All

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Speaker 6: the people we hung out with were in the video.

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Speaker 6: Flash never showed up. So I said, Jean stand at

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Speaker 6: the turntables, and I try to tell Majean just stood

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Speaker 6: so as Debbie starts to rap in the first line

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Speaker 6: on this Fab five, Freddy told me everybody's fly.

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Speaker 3: She's saying it to Jean and then she you know,

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Speaker 6: So that turned out to be one of MTV's first

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Speaker 6: videos when the channel launched, and close to ten years later,

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Speaker 6: they would they were kind of pressured into trying to,

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Speaker 6: you know, to do a show about rap music, and

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Speaker 6: I got the call YOMTV raps.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear more about Boski at but I

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Speaker 5: want to talk about Blondie too, because we had these

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Speaker 5: conversations about fifty years of hip hop, and when I'm

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Speaker 5: starting to realize is the role that Blondie played and

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Speaker 5: helping get helping get hip hop main screaming, we have

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Speaker 5: all these conversations about white allies. Now, she was one

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Speaker 5: back then because I saw something. I was watching the

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Speaker 5: Ladies First documentary and she put shot, uh, Funky is

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Speaker 5: the Funky Funky four plus Funky four plus one on CNL.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And that was me because I had been

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Speaker 6: in there are playing them old school hip hop party tapes,

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Speaker 6: I told her, you know, flashes, fast flashes, coolrefaid. You

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Speaker 6: it was fly guys and fly girls. So I'm telling

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Speaker 6: amazed that they went out and made that record. I

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Speaker 6: the time, Chris Stein, that was the nucleus of Blondie.

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Speaker 6: I would they would invite me to come hang out

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Speaker 6: Chris Stine. He was from Brooklyn. He loved the graffiti

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Speaker 6: of those guys, oh man, I love that stuff. And

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Speaker 6: then I began to share my ideas trying to figure

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Speaker 6: make it happen. It was actually them that took that.

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Speaker 6: The first time I met mister Andy Walholl was through them,

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Speaker 6: and then we you know, me and Andy and I

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Speaker 6: And yeah, they made that record and it went number

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Speaker 6: one across the country and many countries around the world.

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Speaker 6: And I don't I don't describe it as hip hop,

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Speaker 6: graciously did was shout me out and mentioned other things

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Speaker 6: in the scene that I told her later. When Flash

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Speaker 6: did this record, the Adventures of Grand Master Flasher on

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Speaker 6: the Wheels of Steel, where he literally made a record

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Speaker 6: an example of what he would do live, just masterfully

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Speaker 6: cut up a series of records.

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Speaker 3: It started with.

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Speaker 6: Using that using that rapture song where you hear that thing,

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Speaker 6: and then he cuts it into a whole bunch of

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Speaker 6: different other songs are cut.

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Speaker 5: In, which is how do you think people like Blondie

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Speaker 5: avoided the label of culture vulture back then?

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean, that's a good question, But

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Speaker 6: that word culture volta as a concept didn't exist, and

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Speaker 6: I think it was I mean, if you had really

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Speaker 3: Most people did know what the hell she was doing.

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Speaker 3: They just were big Blondie fans.

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Speaker 6: She sang as the record opened in her lovely voice

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Speaker 6: and then broke into this rap and was pretty decent

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Speaker 6: at it, you know, all things considered.

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Speaker 3: It's not like I sat there.

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Speaker 6: With her and tried to teach her how to rap.

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Speaker 6: She had rhythm and just said, I'm going to make

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Speaker 6: a record. Fat. I've been in her ear a lot,

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Speaker 6: and this record was a reflection at It was such

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Speaker 6: a gracious thing because it turned out to be a

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Speaker 6: calling card for me. Nobody really knew who I was.

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Speaker 6: I hadn't been on TV then, you know. And then

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Speaker 6: when MTV happened and they decided to try it out immediately,

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Speaker 6: it had the highest ratings any show had had at

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Speaker 6: that time. Then people began to figure out, wait a minute,

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Speaker 6: that's the guy that Blondie.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned, let's go back to your TV raps. So your

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Speaker 1: on TV raps.

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Speaker 2: They flipped this channel and they create this hip hop

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Speaker 2: show called Your MTV Raps. Right, I'm sure at the

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Speaker 2: time it was kind of like a stab against Ralph

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Speaker 2: McDaniel's Video Music Box.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 6: No, Ralph was definitely I was a fan of Ralph's

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Speaker 6: show from the beginning in it. But they were resistant

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Speaker 6: what MTV was trying to do. It's interesting that you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was motivated by the way MTV had

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Speaker 3: What's going on? So I just was all about lessons more.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, that was an idea that I

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Speaker 6: So the idea that I had had for a wild

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Speaker 3: So we talked about flashing the Furious Five.

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Speaker 5: Now what they talked about in the Ladies first Dog,

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Speaker 3: So that was me behind that and that was incredible.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just started around and I remember seeing because it

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Speaker 6: His name, absolutely, and then this young kat Eddie who

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, hip hop has continually amazed me with

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Speaker 3: And that was exciting.

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Speaker 6: And then so there's been things that have happened along

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Speaker 6: You know storm Z and those cats that were constantly

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Speaker 6: But then they figured out how to do it in

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Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that? Because I always feel like, damn,

442
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 2: should there be like a union for the creators of this?

443
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 5: You know.

444
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: Wow, there's something coming up that I'm involved in.

445
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: I can't elaborate on it a lot because l said

446
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 2: there something coming up that he said he can't elaborate

447
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 2: on either yet.

448
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, ll is probably a where I'm a part of

449
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: what he's doing with Rock the.

450
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 4: By the way, he said, you one of the founders, Well, yeah,

451
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 4: he reads you.

452
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have some equity in that.

453
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 6: And he made an incredible presentation, flew me out to

454
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 6: really pitch in a proper way.

455
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 3: I was saying, I'd have got down with him.

456
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 6: He didn't have to go that, but I was impressed

457
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 6: that he wanted to demonstrate he had learned how to

458
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 6: play that business game properly. And I got down with him,

459
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,719
Speaker 6: signed the papers, and I'm super impressed to see what's happening.

460
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 6: So there's something that's coming up, which is something that's

461
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 6: going to address that and do something significant towards people

462
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 6: that haven't gotten there just do but that have had

463
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 6: a significant impact.

464
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: Trust me.

465
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 6: In the fall, something's going to go down. You guys

466
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 6: are going to get the memo and hopefully we can

467
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 6: continue that and hopefully there'll be more versions of this

468
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 6: that are a significant give back to pioneers. Unfortunately, because

469
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 6: in that very very very early, almost pre record days

470
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 6: or the beginnings of that, a lot of cats didn't

471
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 6: figure out how to monetize and how to do the

472
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 6: kind of good business that you guys clearly have both

473
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 6: figured out, which is incredible.

474
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: Brothers like those Earn your Leisure.

475
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 6: Cats are laying out a road map for how we

476
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 6: can be fiscally attuned and aware of ways of doing

477
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 6: the proper things with our money all.

478
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 4: The time, exactly.

479
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Aunlesia guys I met. I ran into them

480
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 6: the other day. In fact, when when when you know,

481
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 6: those cats were here in New York. And so that's

482
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 6: a problem unfortunately that it just is what it is,

483
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 6: you know, But I think there's been examples once once

484
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 6: again on the positive side, you've had cats that figured

485
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 6: out how to how to do business right, how to.

486
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: Accumulate not just be rich, accumulate wealth.

487
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 6: You know, it's difference between rich and wealthy, and it's

488
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 6: great to see cats working on that now.

489
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I thought about that with y'all, like, what

490
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 5: was the future for VJs back then? Like did y'all

491
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 5: even know what the future looked like? Like what what

492
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 5: did y'all aspire to be after the VJ thing?

493
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: Well, good question. Thankfully for me, I was doing something prior.

494
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 6: I was already making moves, you know, making art, you know,

495
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 6: making films like Wild Style, and the VJ thing just

496
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 6: came to me really honestly, which was great. People would

497
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 6: run up to me, I want to do this, How

498
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 6: do you do it? I was like, Man, I'd be

499
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 6: awkward because I'm like, I can't tell you how to

500
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 6: do There's no to go to VJ school do this.

501
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: It was just a moment.

502
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 6: Clearly MTV is a different you know, all that stuff

503
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 6: like doesn't exist. People can do millions of people do

504
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 6: that on YouTube, you know, if you will. So there

505
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 6: wasn't really a clear path if you will, but if

506
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 6: you like you say, like I think interestingly Ed lover

507
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 6: going to radio along with Doctor Dre initially and being

508
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 6: really good at it was a great transition. There were

509
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 6: some people that had worked that radio behind the scenes

510
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 6: and whatever that then came to MTV. Stephen Hill have

511
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 6: been a radio person that then transitioned to become one

512
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 6: of the producers at MTV.

513
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a good one.

514
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 6: Man. It wasn't too many clear paths other than radio

515
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 6: or some type of TV announced it and maybe commercials

516
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 6: or whatever.

517
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: But for me, like I wanted to just get back

518
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: to doing the things that I'm doing.

519
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 6: I'm like an obsessive creative and so that's it, you know,

520
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 6: it's just creating and that's still what I primarily do.

521
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 5: I mean, you had to be right, and man, when

522
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 5: you hear you talking, I'm like the role that art

523
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 5: played in hip hop when you talk about Boskiyaut, when

524
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 5: you talk about Warhol, I feel like, damn, that might

525
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: be what's kind of missing, like that connection to art,

526
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: like actual art.

527
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

528
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 6: Well, you know it's interesting too because of the continued

529
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 6: success and awareness of Jean Michelle and other things that

530
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 6: we've done. How street art like hip hop, is a

531
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 6: global form of expression. People and countries around the world

532
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 6: take it to the streets, so people are aware of

533
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 6: art in a way, and I think that's a great

534
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 6: thing about using this tech to inform ourselves. And because

535
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 6: I'd like to say all this stuff that we really

536
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 6: want want to know or to get a at least

537
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 6: an overview is a few clicks away, and.

538
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: You could you know who's Andy?

539
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 7: Will you know?

540
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 5: I was?

541
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 6: You know like me, I was one of those cats

542
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 6: that would go to the library and love spending some

543
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 6: time in some books and which is a foundation of

544
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 6: a lot of things I've done. But now you can

545
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 6: you can click through it and see it and chat

546
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 6: gpt it. You know, use those things before those things

547
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 6: use you.

548
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 5: Like is has gotten you know, put on him because

549
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 5: of hip hop, and it's like back then he didn't

550
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 5: get the opportunity because he died like before hip hop

551
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 5: kind of took off that eighty eight.

552
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: That was gonna ask were you surprised of the explosion

553
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: because it came so late?

554
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 6: Well it was, it was building though bese Jean was

555
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 6: just a fascinating character. So there was a films and

556
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 6: interest in his life once people heard, like, you know

557
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 6: who he really was and the things he was doing

558
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 6: in the moves he was making.

559
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, so it's it's been.

560
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 6: It's just continue used to grow it like it feeds

561
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 6: and it's like a it's like an organism. The the

562
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 6: awareness of Jean and his work and then the exciting

563
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 6: stories about his life and basically how we lived back then.

564
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 6: You know, this young brothers trying to figure it out

565
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 6: and figuring out a way to get in. It's just that, Jean,

566
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 6: It's exploded in a significant way and inspired a lot

567
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 6: of other people to just dig in and learn more

568
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 6: about art. That was the thing that we both cut

569
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 6: school and went to museums a lot as young kids

570
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 6: and got comfortable with the idea of making art, standing

571
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 6: in front of great paintings in the Metropolitan Museum, the

572
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 6: Brooklyn Museum and things like that, the Museum a Modern

573
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 6: Art and being comfortable with these important pieces that you

574
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 6: would later see in different books and stuff, and then

575
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 6: go and look, I can do this too, and I'm gonna.

576
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 3: Figure out a way in. That was the the strategic thing.

577
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 6: There was really no clear way in, so we would

578
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 6: huddle and think about ways to get in that weren't

579
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 6: the kind of formal ways in, and that was through

580
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: connecting with other people that was making moves like Blondie,

581
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 6: other people on the downtown New York scene at the time,

582
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 6: pulled us in and then we like made things happen,

583
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 6: put our shows up, you know, group shows and things,

584
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 6: and then caught the tension of the major players that had.

585
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: To acknowledge what was going on.

586
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: How many pieces do you have?

587
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 6: I've had work. Artists that are friends usually will trade

588
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 6: things with each other. So over the years, me and

589
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 6: him being cool, you know a few things would change hands.

590
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: You know how many people called you and be like, yo,

591
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: I know you got some crazy when it comes up

592
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: some pieces, you know the numbers on his work.

593
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 6: It's so crazy. It's such an awkward conversation. Now it's

594
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 6: like somebody asking you about the value of things that

595
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 6: you own or can buy now or whatever, which against

596
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 6: kind of personal at a certain point, but the things

597
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 6: got so crazy it's an awkward conversation app because you know,

598
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 6: you think about the security and how you're gonna you know,

599
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 6: how you're gonna hold it down, or can you keep

600
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 6: this in the house now because it's so crazy, like

601
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 6: does this make sense to keep this here?

602
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: Or should you just find a safer place.

603
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Now that not not just being stolen, but you don't

604
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: want the house to get flooded or catch five because

605
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: it's an investment.

606
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: At one piece that was just your your brother's art.

607
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: Now it's like Jesus, you got a lie.

608
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not gonna get it.

609
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: To come to my credit, you got enough. You have

610
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 4: to think, ain't nobody seen it before?

611
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: Oh well, guys, I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting pressed.

612
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 5: You know what?

613
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: I do want to ask you about Boskout and Warhall

614
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: or two things.

615
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: What were those conversations like, because you see all these

616
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 5: Andy Warholl quotes, Like one of my favorite Andy Warholl

617
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 5: quotes is in the future, everybody will be world famous

618
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 5: for fifteen minutes.

619
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: Did he really talk like that?

620
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 6: No, But he wrote a book called The Philosophy of

621
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 6: Andy Warhol, From a to Being Back Again, and that

622
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 6: was where he had a lot of other really smart things.

623
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 6: Andy was very perceptive, very astute about the whole pop

624
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: culture game before it it developed into.

625
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: Where it is now.

626
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 6: So he literally saw things that were coming, you know,

627
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 6: And so that was a part of the genius of Andy.

628
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 6: But then his public persona was kind of like simple

629
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 6: answers like oh, g no, you know, so you would

630
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 6: you would kind of come off like he wasn't that

631
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 6: kind of savvy a guy that he but he really was.

632
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 6: It was a very kind of a cultivated persona. So

633
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 6: when you got to know him and you hanging out

634
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 6: and talk, he really was like a big brother in

635
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 6: many ways. And he saw that we were coming up,

636
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 6: we were having exhibits, he would tell you, oh, this gallery.

637
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: Watch out for that dealer. Oh my goodness, he's this

638
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: and that. I'm like, oh wow.

639
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: So he would be very chatty and very talky when

640
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 6: you got to know him, but his public persona was

641
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 6: a was a whole different thing. The Netflix doc that

642
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 6: I took part in, and then I felt a little

643
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 6: awkward because Andy was gay, and I didn't know he

644
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 6: was gay in that regard because his whole perception was

645
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 6: I'm a a sexual if you will. So I was like, Okay,

646
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 6: you know, he's not messing with anybody, and I've never

647
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 6: seen him around anybody that was his lover, girlfriend, what

648
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: have you. But the Netflix doc got really deep into

649
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 6: the relationships he had, and I felt like, almost almost

650
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 6: embarrassed to get all this info that. I was like, man,

651
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 6: he so, you know, he's so strategically kept it positive

652
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 6: to see it all laid out, and I was in

653
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 6: that dock. I took part in that, but I just

654
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 6: it was a lot that I didn't really realize was

655
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 6: going on. You care.

656
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: He probably didn't even cared.

657
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: Really, I didn't really care that.

658
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 6: It was just interesting just how crafty he was and

659
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 6: how on top of culture he was for a really

660
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 6: long time, way before he you know, like into the

661
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 6: early sixties, like the Walhall Factory and that scene. Almost

662
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 6: anybody could have came up in there hang out and

663
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 6: hang around, and that might be like Lou Reed, you know, uh,

664
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 6: just a whole bunch of you know, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix,

665
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 6: like artists, people just doing wild psychedelic drugs or whatever

666
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 6: would all hang out and then somebody just walked up

667
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 6: in there and basically shot him.

668
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: You know.

669
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: The chick said, you're.

670
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 6: Controlling my life, like you know, the just the buzz

671
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: on him had was driving her crazy. And so that

672
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 6: then shifted him to shut down a bit and to

673
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 6: close the gates, and then he went to another level

674
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 6: with it.

675
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: But but he got shut You got shot by somebody

676
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: who's clearly a craze fan.

677
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 6: Man. Listen, Okay, you controlling my life, stop tuning into me.

678
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: Then that't got it to do with me.

679
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that that was a It was a wild story.

680
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, he was a definitely big influence on a

681
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 6: lot of us. He had broke through in ways, and

682
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 6: then when we started making Noise and he started coming

683
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: to events we were having, it was a symbol that

684
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 6: we were doing the right thing, and you know, he

685
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 6: was acknowledging the work. And then it took it to

686
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: the next level. Him and Jean Michelle collaborated on a

687
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 6: series of paintings together and that was like unbelievable. So

688
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 6: that got Andy to put the brush on canvas in

689
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 6: ways that he hadn't done in many years.

690
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: And was any of those pieces no No.

691
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: When I think about y'all being, you know, young back then,

692
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: it's like, yo, what and you I don't know what

693
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: were y'all?

694
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 7: What was youall aspirations? Like what did you and Oboskaya

695
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 7: want to do? Like we were just you know, that's

696
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 7: a good question, too, kind. We were just trying to

697
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 7: have an impact as artists. We were trying to rock

698
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 7: our scene, which was a downtown scene.

699
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 6: This was obviously thinking this is pre the Internet and

700
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 6: pre access where anybody can have instant access practically to anything.

701
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: Going on in the world, pre big money. Yeah, but

702
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: it was pre big money and big money.

703
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 6: We were looking to be comfortable and be able to

704
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 6: pay the bills and pay the rent and then you know,

705
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 6: have good meals and take you know, hang out with

706
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 6: our friends and party. We didn't have that.

707
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a like a like a focused on

708
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: just getting paid.

709
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 6: It was really making an impact with with your with

710
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 6: our work and really being heard and being seen.

711
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: That's something that led me.

712
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 6: At a point when I'm making paintings and was doing

713
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 6: pretty decent at it, I was getting a little restless

714
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 6: with just painting, and Jean and I both had talked

715
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 6: about using any medium we can get our hands on,

716
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 6: so make music, which he dabbled with a bit, produce

717
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 6: films as well as being films, which you know we

718
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: both did at that time. And so that was one

719
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 6: of the motivating things that a lot that we that

720
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 6: we talked about and were just driven to kind of

721
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 6: find ways of expressing ourselves.

722
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Do you remember how much and I know we asked

723
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: a lot of questions. Do you remember this was a

724
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: long time ago. Do you remember how much paintings went

725
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: for back then when y'all soul paintings you or biscout

726
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: to even warhole, what like what they were going for

727
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: price wise back then in the beginning.

728
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 6: If you could sell your work for a few thousand dollars,

729
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: that's great. And then if things move, then those numbers

730
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 6: could either quickly go up or go up at a

731
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: nice moderate rate, because as people acquire to work, and

732
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 6: you know, if the work is accepted and respected and

733
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 6: you know, written about, and other people want to show

734
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 6: the work, there's an incremental increase in the prices. And

735
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 6: then at a certain point it can just go really

736
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 6: really crazy, which it clearly did for Jean.

737
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: But you know, he.

738
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 6: Received a lot of that, like while he was alive

739
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: and then sadly unfortunately, you know, passing really young at

740
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 6: twenty seven, and then it just shifted into a whole.

741
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Nother level, which you know, was just a part of it.

742
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 6: But I think the great thing though, is there's a

743
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 6: lot more young artists, just artists of color, even artists

744
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 6: that laid the foundation back in the times at the

745
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 6: Harlem Renaissance, significant Black artists Jacob Lawrence, Romar Beard and

746
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 6: Charles Austin.

747
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: A lot of these artists.

748
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 6: There's a long list of these artists that were from

749
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 6: the Harlem Renaissance period that was strong and incredible that

750
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 6: because of the way racism was at that time, they

751
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 6: just didn't get the kind of love and acceptance.

752
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: But a lot of that has been changing. A lot of.

753
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 6: Institutions and museums are reaching out to realize, like we

754
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: missed getting these significant works, which is a part of

755
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 6: the story of American expression visual artists. So there's a

756
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 6: lot there's a strong effort and a lot of dynamic

757
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 6: young artists now making moves you know, in America now

758
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: way more than whatever doing it that are getting like,

759
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 6: you know, serious, top, top tier, you know, recognition collapses,

760
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera.

761
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: What was it like for you in nineteen ninety one

762
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: when The New Yorker named you the coolest man in

763
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: New York City?

764
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was crazy, Susan Orlean wrote that article was

765
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 6: a profile. I was about fifteen or sixteen pages in

766
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 6: the New Yorker.

767
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was wow. I remember this.

768
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 6: You know, I've been written about a lot at that time,

769
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 6: you know, different articles about hip hop, different aspects of

770
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 6: the culture, being on your TV raps. And here comes

771
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 6: this woman who wants to do a piece on me.

772
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 6: She comes and hangs out with me a few times.

773
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 6: She knew nothing about hip hop. And what I loved

774
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 6: most about that piece was how right she got it,

775
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: how hard they worked to tell the story accurately.

776
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 3: People had butchered.

777
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 6: How to say my name.

778
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: They would always ask.

779
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 6: How long I think it was gonna last, meaning that

780
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 6: they thought this was all like a brief passing fad.

781
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: And here's this woman, Susan Orlean came and she.

782
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 6: Got real curious and wanted to hang out with me

783
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 6: while I'm taking your MTV raps, while I'm having meetings,

784
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 6: planning from music videos I'm directing, and just.

785
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: Listening to me talk. Obviously you know, I'm into a

786
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: lot of stuff.

787
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 6: And she caught it all and fifteen sixteen page piece

788
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 6: for The New Yorker, which was incredible.

789
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: The only thing about them being in New York at.

790
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 6: That time, it wasn't read by a lot of a

791
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 6: lot of people in the space that we were in

792
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 6: at the time. Like Vanity Fair was kind of hot

793
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 6: at the time, and I used to think, man, I'm

794
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 6: kind of due for, you know, for like a nice

795
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 6: write up and maybe you know, like in Vanity Fair

796
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 6: something like that.

797
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: And then the New Yorker came along, which.

798
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 6: Is considered like the greatest magazine. Some of the greatest

799
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 6: writers in American history have written for them. And here

800
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 6: they doing a fifteen page profile on me. You know,

801
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 6: it's hip hop person doing this cultural stuff. But it

802
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 6: was pretty good and it's amazing that it still pops up.

803
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 6: People see it on the Internet and stuff like that.

804
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: Did you you go ever get out of control?

805
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: Not really? You know the thing about my ego, I'm

806
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: glad you you got you got good questions. I see

807
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 6: why y'all saw y'all y'all both are so nice.

808
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: That means the world coming from you.

809
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 6: Thank you. So I had like people in my life,

810
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: like my father grew up with a jazz legend named

811
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: Max Roach who became my godfather. He to the drums

812
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 6: is what Charlie Parker to the sacks, Miles to the trumpet,

813
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 6: Dizzey Gillespie. He's in that category cast that defined a

814
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 6: new form of jazz late forties fifties called be bop,

815
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 6: be around. He's featured with his then wife Abby Lincoln

816
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 6: in Summer of Soul, performing up in Harlem. And so

817
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 6: he come by the house all the time, kick it

818
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 6: with my dad, you know, always wanting to hug me

819
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 6: and hey, man, what you doing? You know what I mean?

820
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 6: And so he was just so cool all the goddamn time.

821
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 6: I could never be like be on some stupid you know,

822
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 6: you know, like with a crazy ego. And then even

823
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 6: Blondie in them would treat me so good. I'd be

824
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 6: up in their house hanging with them. The biggest pop

825
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 6: group in the world, literally number one records all over

826
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 6: the place. So I learned to, you know, always got

827
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 6: to be cool with this.

828
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: So you mean there was always people around that reminded

829
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: you like, yeah, I'm not really a man.

830
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 6: Can well you just can't. Can't go crazy. But you

831
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 6: got to be humble and with this and appreciate the

832
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 6: fact that you have these opportunities. You know, it's just

833
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 6: you just but it's easy to get caught up in there.

834
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 6: You have seen it happen too many times. But luckily

835
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 6: you know some people that they can can pump the

836
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 6: brakes and check themselves and realize, man, you know I'm

837
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 6: out there being a clown. I'm being an asshole right now.

838
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 6: I shouldn't be doing that.

839
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: And so, and how did it feel when, you know,

840
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: at the time, when you had all these rappers right,

841
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: and these rappers are coming up and now they're not

842
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: as local. They're selling millions of records. They're going, but

843
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: they're mentioning you in their raps. Do you remember the

844
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: first time you heard your name in a rap.

845
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: Besides yeah, no, EPMD A couple of guys. Man, man,

846
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: that was crazy.

847
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: Man.

848
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: It's just such a humbling experience to just be recognized.

849
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: But you know a lot of casts that really has

850
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 6: seen wild Style so early, like in your TV raps,

851
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 6: A lot of people that was really dialed in on

852
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 6: the game kind of knew who I was, which was

853
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 6: really my first real audience was other people in in

854
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 6: the in the culture really, which was so cool.

855
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: And then that began to spread out.

856
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know that was a special, special, special dynamic.

857
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: Do you uh?

858
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: Do you do you remember that day you shot with

859
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 4: nw A when you went out there?

860
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, and it became

861
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: a lot of people's favorite show. I remember vividly. We

862
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 6: have been playing videos by Easy on the channel and

863
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 6: Ted Demi and what he would talk to Easy often

864
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 6: and Easy was like, man, I want you all to

865
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 6: come out.

866
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: We have a new group.

867
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 6: And I remember them sending us a memo the day

868
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 6: before us to listen. Nobody don't wear anything red or

869
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 6: anything black. No, I'm sorry, red or blue were black,

870
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 6: is what they said. And I was like, man, I've

871
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 6: been to l A a bunch of times, but I

872
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 6: didn't understand the dynamics in the hood, you know, I

873
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 6: being West Hollywood in and out on some art business

874
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: or what have you. And so we were like, okay,

875
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 6: so we want to show people this scene. So let's

876
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 6: run a flatbed truck and let's ride around, because you know,

877
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 6: we hadn't seen like what the hood is like or

878
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 6: any semblance of la And so we meet at the

879
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 6: welcome the Compton sign and then we get on this

880
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 6: flatbed truck and ride around and do segments from the truck.

881
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 6: They take us to a swap meet and they give

882
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 6: us a little insight on how they live. And it

883
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 6: was crazy.

884
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 3: I know it was gonna be a great show.

885
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 6: I get back to the hotel and I put the

886
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 6: Walkman on, got the cassette of the new album, the

887
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 6: NWA album Straight out of Comptent. I listened to it

888
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 6: for the first time and I'm literally snatching the headphones

889
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 6: off my head can't believe the things that they're saying

890
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: f the police and just the aggressiveness and the music

891
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 6: was amazing and incredible, but the things they were saying,

892
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 6: I was like, MTV is not gonna let this this happen.

893
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: They gonna pull this.

894
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: Man, we done shot this incredible show riding around. There's

895
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 6: nothing's gonna happen. Well, the videos, they weren't able to

896
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 6: play the video for Straight out of Compton, but they

897
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 6: still had other videos and other content, and the interview

898
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 6: played it and it took off.

899
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: Man, it took off so lovely.

900
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: And was there anything you saw and like Dre or

901
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 5: Cube back then, you know, easy became as an icon too.

902
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: Anything you saw in Drea Cube that lets you know, oh,

903
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: I can see them being where they are now.

904
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well I couldn't predict how huge it was going

905
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: to be. But they were so smart and they clearly sonically,

906
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 6: particularly Dre had studied what Public Enemy had been doing

907
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 6: sonically with them with the best right with the Bomb Squad,

908
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 6: thank you, and the level of production and using those

909
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 6: samples was the state of the art at that time,

910
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 6: and they had did something similar. And I remember before

911
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: I had listened to the record and really understood it.

912
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 6: Cube a couple of times in between the interviews was like,

913
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 6: your fab what's g rap?

914
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: Like, what's up with g rap?

915
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 6: And I said, Yo, g Wrap's cool and whatever. But

916
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 6: then when I listened and I heard the aggressiveness of

917
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 6: what they were saying, I saw that Cube happened studying grap.

918
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 6: G Wrap was spitting harder than any at that time,

919
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: you know, songs like Rykers Island. In fact, I directed

920
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 6: a video for g Rap Road to the Riches, which

921
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 6: is which was the first rap song, and then the

922
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 6: video about the rise and fall of a New York

923
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 6: crack dealer. I'm the first video to put an image

924
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 6: of scarface in the thing, and that led to me

925
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 6: getting in a social associate producer role on New jack

926
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 6: City because when George Jackson came to talk to me,

927
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 6: I'm finishing up Road to the Riches and he bugged out, said, man,

928
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 6: this is what the this is the constant, this is

929
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 6: the idea in the movie The Undercover Cop, which I

930
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: see with play.

931
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: I had a hand in casting all those guys. It

932
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: was crazy wow. So that was a snapshot of that.

933
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: And yeah, but Nwa man, genius and Cube, you knowing

934
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 6: that he was a person that wrote a lot of

935
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: that helped structure a lot of that record. It was

936
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 6: just amazing and the fact that it it had the

937
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 6: impact it had was just one of the great things

938
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 6: in rap to see it come together. And then you know,

939
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 6: in the process of doing that, I'm one of the

940
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 6: first people that once again I'm interviewing these guys, I'm

941
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 6: hearing this West Coast slang.

942
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm getting to hang out with them, and I'm like, money,

943
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: what's what? What are the switches?

944
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 6: When you're talk about witting switches before you knew like

945
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 6: what one eighty seven was, are some of the things

946
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: that they were dropping We just as I had to

947
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 6: get the four one one, which is similar to what

948
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 6: other people in other parts of the country had to

949
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 6: do to figure out what we were saying.

950
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: In New York, you know, they had to break down

951
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: and slang.

952
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, since you've interviewed so many people and you've

953
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: been to so many coaches, whether it was you know,

954
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: La the South New York. When you're talking when you

955
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: hear the mount Rushmore of hip hop, right, who is

956
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: your on your mount Rushmore? As far as artists are concerned.

957
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know, when when I get asked those kind

958
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 6: of questions, I'm basically like, I've loved so many and

959
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 6: and I'm also aware that there's different errors where different

960
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 6: people were the most important people at that time, right,

961
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: so as the errors have evolved that my rushmore would

962
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 6: it would be various versions based on but I'm a

963
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 6: lyrics guy, primarily based on lyricism. Oh man, it'd be

964
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 6: in the beginning, you know, I'll screw up, and I'm

965
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 6: sure there's names I forget, But in the beginning, of.

966
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: Course, you know, only before for every era, look at you,

967
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: you know, uh Mo.

968
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 6: D kaz uh you know, man, who else?

969
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: Man, I'll screw this up?

970
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: Cowboy? You know? And then going on further from that,

971
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: you know Caine, rack him, uh g.

972
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Raph man, Jesus, people forget about g rap a lot,

973
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: And I don't understand why, because when you listen to

974
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: you clearly get it.

975
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 6: His lyrical game was masterful, just incredible way he played

976
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 6: with words.

977
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: Who else was my mother?

978
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 6: Forth from that in that early period, I guess I

979
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 6: would have to put I'll drop a cube in there,

980
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 6: you know, And then moving forward, you know, you know

981
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 6: Biggie Pack, of course, you know Oh man, I'm stuck

982
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: right now. I can't think of all the names that

983
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 6: I would love, but pretty much those that you know,

984
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 6: Nads of course, who I luckily got to direct his

985
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 6: one of his first one one love Yeah, that that

986
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: Q Tip produced, you know. So, man, just and then

987
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 6: to see Noads still putting out incredible music on a

988
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 6: consistent basis, it's.

989
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: Like a jazz artist. It just look, I got something

990
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: to say.

991
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 6: I'm not pressure. It's not about the paper. If you will,

992
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 6: I'm just want to express this. I'm gonna drop this

993
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 6: on you.

994
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: And so it's it's just probably he probably get from

995
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: his pops.

996
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Olu Dara who used to live near me

997
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 6: in Harlem and we would talk because you know, and

998
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 6: that's a key thing that Nads had a similar to

999
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: something that rock Kim has.

1000
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: Both of them.

1001
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 6: Obviously nas Dad's a jazz musician. Rock Kim had jazz musician.

1002
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 6: It was a sing I can't remember her name, but

1003
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: earlier connection to jazz and that sensibility I think is

1004
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 6: a is a big part of his flow and his

1005
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 6: dynamic as an artist.

1006
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: You did Park's first interview the.

1007
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 6: First first time on National TV.

1008
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: A lot of those cats.

1009
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 6: The first time I interviewed Park was on this set

1010
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 6: of the movie Juice, and and then we held that

1011
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 6: show until the movie dropped a few months later, and

1012
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 6: then we added you know, and I'm also did a

1013
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 6: cameo in Juice as.

1014
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: Myself, you know, hosting your m TV reps while the

1015
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: DJ battle.

1016
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Was going on and talk about that set Juice.

1017
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: That was crazy.

1018
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was you know, I mean

1019
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: classic movie to this day.

1020
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 6: Man, amazing stars from them, Yeah, a lot of good stars,

1021
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 6: a lot of just really good dynamics. And I'm pretty

1022
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 6: sure Tupac definitely have excelled in acting and clearly would

1023
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 6: have been OSCAR nominated by now. His dynamism on the

1024
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 6: screen was just something I think, like like people like

1025
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: that have been able to do it in music and

1026
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 6: then do it on the screen. It's just a it's

1027
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 6: just a rare group of people that have been able

1028
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 6: to do that and still you know, resonate to us

1029
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 6: in such a powerful way. But your Pock and I

1030
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 6: were pretty tight. The second time I interviewed Pac once again,

1031
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 6: this was pre death Row. I like to that's when

1032
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 6: because it was the first time I knew his background,

1033
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 6: like he had a black Panther link family wise, and

1034
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 6: that was the first time he'd spoken about that when

1035
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 6: I pulled that out of him, and he explained how

1036
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 6: his mother was panther father, so that that fire and

1037
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 6: that awareness of what they were fighting for.

1038
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: Was a part of his consciousness, so which was really interesting.

1039
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: He was a.

1040
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 6: Dynamic cat like I mean, he could be the most

1041
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 6: militant f for a while, Fruit of Islam, Black Panther

1042
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 6: and then spin on a dime and just be the

1043
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 6: illess thug and that was I think a part of

1044
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 6: the actor in him. He could completely be those people

1045
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 6: or any other people. I'm sure he would have gotten

1046
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 6: to play in films. He would have been super effective

1047
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: and compelling. So that was a great loss. So you

1048
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 6: saw that back then even absolutely, because it was just

1049
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 6: talking to him and he you know, and then he

1050
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 6: flipped and be just super hood. And I think the

1051
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 6: persona that he remained in for most of his public

1052
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 6: life after was the persona of Bishop in juice like

1053
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 6: that was his character that you know, he wanted to

1054
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 6: become on everybody and as many people wanted to wish

1055
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 6: to have been a big dude on the New York scene,

1056
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 6: or a strong cat that conflex like in Harlem and

1057
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 6: all that, and juice.

1058
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: Was his way to do that.

1059
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 6: And because come on, he he wasn't that dude prior.

1060
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 6: But he stayed in that character largely, and then unfortunately

1061
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 6: got caught up and this that, and the third on

1062
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 6: the New York side, if you know, the drum, and

1063
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 6: then and went West coast, and you would think he

1064
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 6: was born in South Central the way he rapped, you know,

1065
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 6: on out there in Cali, which is so super effectively,

1066
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 6: but he could he was convincing in any of those

1067
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 6: genres or any of those formats he would put itself in.

1068
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: I know, you probably got to go. He's got a

1069
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: couple more questions.

1070
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 5: Why do you think commercially, because you was there from

1071
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 5: the exception, why do you think commercially the West Coast

1072
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 5: took off?

1073
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: It seemed like to me before the East Coast, like

1074
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 4: I'm talking about.

1075
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: With the massive mainstream success that we see in hip

1076
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 5: hop now interesting, I just I.

1077
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: Don't know that's but would you say that because he

1078
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: had run?

1079
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: I thought it was their term.

1080
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, we we blew up big and dug out and

1081
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: planted a firm foundation. That's why this culture still rocks

1082
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 6: so hard to this day because the roots went deep

1083
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 6: without anything going viral too early or people jumping out there.

1084
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: Tucson, it was deth Row was a months.

1085
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 5: Snoop Dogg sold what eight hundred plus thousand his first

1086
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 5: and second week. He was like the first hip hop

1087
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 5: artist on certain magazine covers, like he really was.

1088
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: It was something else that was something else, and it

1089
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: started with NWA to me, but.

1090
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

1091
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 6: It was a big thing.

1092
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: They had an incredible movement.

1093
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 6: It was I think it just followed they They added

1094
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: on nicely to the foundation that was laid right here

1095
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 6: in New York. And then once again, I was honored

1096
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 6: to get to direct Snoops first video for What's My

1097
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 6: Name and turned them into a dog. And then interestingly,

1098
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 6: you know, I'm in the cannabis business now with a

1099
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 6: brand called b Noble, which grew out of a film

1100
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 6: I made which you can see on Netflix called grass

1101
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 6: Is Green and got Snoop is in my film and

1102
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 6: Snoop tells the story which I didn't know that he Dre.

1103
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 6: I spent that whole summer living with Dre in Calabasas

1104
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 6: because the first day of shooting Snoops video him performing

1105
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 6: on VIP Records. Right after that, we changed locations in

1106
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 6: Long Beach. That turns into a near riot. That's like

1107
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 6: not more than a year after the LA riots. So

1108
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 6: we got shut down dress fabric. I gotta finish Snoop's album.

1109
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 6: If you can chill and hang, we will get the

1110
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 6: video done with. My priority is getting this record done.

1111
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 6: So I'm like, Dre, I'm here, Why.

1112
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: Was it right?

1113
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 6: Because you know, LA is deceptive. You can be in

1114
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 6: the hood and I'm a New York cast, so I

1115
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 6: see cats in the hood. I see cats on the corner,

1116
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 6: on the stoop. I can feel the tempo of the neighborhood.

1117
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. In LA, you don't see

1118
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 6: cats out. So I'm scouting locations. I'm like, oh, Dre,

1119
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 6: I got this this And Dre was like, man, it's

1120
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 6: kind of crazy and Long Beach. But I'm like, man,

1121
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 6: I'm been there good. I didn't see the cast that

1122
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: really live in the hood. At the video shoot, everybody

1123
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 6: comes out. Everybody's in the crowd. So you got this set,

1124
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 6: that set, I got the foy on set as a

1125
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 6: security nobody that's like disrespecting, like a like a priest

1126
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 6: on Sunday. These dudes in Foi's face, you know, talker

1127
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 6: smack to them. And my assistant director came to me,

1128
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 6: I'm at video village checking the monitors, sitting next to Dre.

1129
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 6: They said, fab, you know the crew can't work. I said, Yo, Dre,

1130
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 6: is it possible? You know you can do to Drason man.

1131
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: I can't tell them cast nothing.

1132
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 6: So when I realized they wouldn't listen to Dre, I

1133
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 6: knew that was going to be a delicate issue. So

1134
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 6: when we finished that location, we went to the next location.

1135
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 6: These cats now was ready to get it in. By

1136
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 6: three four, fights had started and the police came. The

1137
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 6: helicopter swung and they basically shut us down. So it

1138
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 6: wasn't like a riot, but it was.

1139
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: It was ugly.

1140
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 6: They just had a riot, so they didn't want no

1141
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 6: massive gatherments like that. So that lets led me to

1142
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 6: and the rest of that summer out there hanging with

1143
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 6: Dre and the dog pown, getting to know them real well,

1144
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 6: seeing Dre's process in the studio, which was remarkable, and

1145
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 6: then we would get a moment to run out and

1146
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 6: get some scenes that would be other parts of the video,

1147
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 6: and then towards the end of the summer there was

1148
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: a big scene that I never got to shoot because

1149
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 6: Snoop got caught up famously.

1150
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: Murder was the case. I said, Man, I'm out of here.

1151
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: This is just enough.

1152
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: But you know it was interesting. Snoop tells a story that.

1153
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 6: The chronic had become the hot slang word for good

1154
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 6: cannabis on the street. He told Dre, the chronic is

1155
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 6: the hot thing, and call your album the Chronic, and

1156
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 6: Dre went with it.

1157
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: Was is this just amazing to get that story behind

1158
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: the scenes and see it come to fruition, see it.

1159
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 6: Coming fruition, and get that story years later, and then

1160
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: amazingly I make this film Grasses Greener, which looks at

1161
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 6: the connection between cannabis and America's music, So from jazz

1162
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 6: and Louis Armstrong, the greatest jazz people. That was their

1163
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 6: intoxicant of choice, because you know, you get really high

1164
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 6: on cannabis, you still can play your instrument. You know,

1165
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 6: you like, if you get really drunk, that's not happening, right,

1166
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 6: And so it was an important part of that and

1167
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 6: laying all that out, looking at all genres and music

1168
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 6: from jazz, all the way to hip hop and then

1169
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 6: looking at the criminal justice thing inspired me to create

1170
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 6: a cannabis brand called be Noble, and I'm really fortunate

1171
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 6: that we were able to partner.

1172
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 3: We own the company.

1173
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 6: We made a licensing agreement with the biggest cannabis company

1174
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 6: in America, Curely. We give back a ten per cent

1175
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 6: of what we earned to organization and we're in nine

1176
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 6: states organizations helping people victimized by non for non violent

1177
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 6: cannabis offenses, and we donate money and then we take

1178
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 6: care of the brother that we named the story that we.

1179
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: Focused on in the film.

1180
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 6: This brother was given a thirteen year sentence for two

1181
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 6: joints of weed and he served seven.

1182
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 3: His case was a big case.

1183
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 6: Many organizations were fighting to get this brother freedom, and

1184
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 6: when he finally got a parole, we flew back down

1185
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 6: to film him walk out of prison. And then shortly

1186
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 6: after that, I got inspired to create this brand which

1187
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 6: is doing really well and raising awareness about these issues

1188
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 6: while selling fireweed actually, which is a growing business now

1189
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 6: which New York, which has now gone legal, is expanding

1190
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 6: licenses going out. I mean, there's some bumps in a row.

1191
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 6: So that's a fascinating thing because once again, I feel

1192
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 6: so just blessed to be working in the space enlightening

1193
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 6: people about this powerful plant which has been vilified as

1194
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 6: a gateway drug and categorized next to heroin in the schedule.

1195
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 6: And there's a fight now because this obviously medical benefits.

1196
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 6: With the opioid crisis going on and hundreds of thousands

1197
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 6: of people dying, cannabis can be used and a lot

1198
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 6: of things that they prescribe opioids for, and it's so

1199
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 6: it's a beneficial thing. So that's been been a big

1200
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 6: thing that I've been working on now, as well as

1201
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 6: all the other creative stuff.

1202
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: Just to ship you.

1203
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 6: Didn't bring any ship, baby, I got something.

1204
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: We got you covered on that, baby.

1205
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: Well, you got the fifty Years of Hip Hop podcast series,

1206
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that before we get about it.

1207
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: I want to document fab You need.

1208
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 5: You need a document like you yourself, Like you have

1209
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 5: to tell your story because you know, I hear it

1210
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 5: in bits and pieces, whether I've seen Black TV interviews,

1211
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 5: you know, the New York articles and stuff.

1212
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: But I'm like, you need the proper telling of your tale.

1213
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 6: Well, I'm working on I'm gonna I'm gonna soon be

1214
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 6: working on my memoir and lay it all out and

1215
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 6: then hopefully out of that process we can get a

1216
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 6: doctor done.

1217
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

1218
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 6: No, we don't have a deal yet, but I got

1219
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 6: an incredible collaborator who's a very accomplished writer that I'm

1220
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 6: most likely going to work with, and we've had a

1221
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 6: few conversations, like I had a brief convo with Questlove

1222
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 6: actually started a publishing impress.

1223
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 4: So I'd like to bid on it. Question I got

1224
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 4: my post called Blacker was publishing with Simon and Schuston.

1225
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 6: Man without questions charlam Man, I'm sorry, I really should

1226
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 6: have known that. But also it's great having you guys

1227
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 6: on the podcast that we did, uh, the fifty Years

1228
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 6: of Hip Hop podcast series, which.

1229
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: Was a fun I mean, I mean my man here King, Aaron.

1230
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 6: King, who worked with my very dear friend Rest in Peace,

1231
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 6: Combat Jackle Combat Jack Show. So it's great to work

1232
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 6: with him and to really, you know, tell some of

1233
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 6: those foundational stories about the culture. You can go anywhere.

1234
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 6: Your pod casts are living any platform as.

1235
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 4: A Black Effect production.

1236
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Dolly Bishop, who is on your team.

1237
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 6: We work together and you know, it's a it's a

1238
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 6: you know, it's an iHeart podcast, and that was fun

1239
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 6: to get to relive and tell some of these foundational stories,

1240
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 6: and especially with you guys when we did the show

1241
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 6: on on you know, hip hop radio, it really hit

1242
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 6: me like, you guys have gone at doing this at

1243
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 6: such an incredible level, remembering the Supreme Team, Mister Magic

1244
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 6: and Read Alert and when those when we just had

1245
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 6: an hour or two on the weekends. Now you guys

1246
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 6: are doing this at such a major level and sharing

1247
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 6: those stories were special. To be able to remind people

1248
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 6: of these journeys that we've been on. So easy to

1249
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 6: just get caught up in what we're doing now. But

1250
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 6: the greatest thing about this fifty years is we've been

1251
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 6: able to once again tell the story of this journey

1252
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 6: that we've been on and how this thankfully is still

1253
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 6: going on and going strong. And the main reason, I

1254
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 6: believe is because a lot of people stepped up and

1255
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 6: we've been able to take control once again. When Max

1256
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 6: Roach my godfather, and I'd hear my dad and those

1257
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 6: guys talk about stories and the Jazz era with Miles

1258
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 6: Davis and them, they wanted to have their own labels.

1259
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 6: They wanted to be able to control things that just

1260
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 6: wasn't happening in the nineteen forties and the nineteen fifties

1261
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 6: because of the way the dynamics and America racism and

1262
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 6: things like that. So it was always a part of

1263
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 6: me to want to be able to adjust that to

1264
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 6: a certain point and be able to put that narrative

1265
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 6: in there, which is things that I see you.

1266
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: Guys do, and I really appreciate that.

1267
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: One final question, how did you get your name?

1268
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 5: Because your name you predate Fab five from Michigan clearly,

1269
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 5: So how did you get your name?

1270
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: And I know that they probably got it from you?

1271
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, they definitely the Fab five.

1272
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1273
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 6: I became a part of a graffiti crew called the

1274
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 6: Fabulous Five. They were the one of the dominant groups

1275
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 6: of graffiti painters in New York which were known for

1276
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 6: doing murals on this side of the primarily on the

1277
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 6: Lexington Avenue number five train. I wasn't a part of that,

1278
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 6: but I wanted to take this whole thing to another level,

1279
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 6: and I collaborated and got down with a brother named

1280
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: Lee ken Jonis, who was a premium member of the

1281
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 6: Fab five graffiti group. And you know, they had kind

1282
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 6: of eased off painting the most of the Fab five,

1283
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 6: and I connected with Lee and shared these ideas about

1284
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 6: taking it to another level, like from the subways into galleries,

1285
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 6: museums and stuff like that. So with the blessing of

1286
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 6: Lee and the other members, I became a part of

1287
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 6: the Fab five. So what you would tag up was,

1288
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 6: you know, you tag your name and the group you

1289
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 6: was down with and then off. And then sometimes I

1290
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 6: would be referred to as, oh, that's Fab five Freddy.

1291
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, that's fab fire fred And

1292
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 6: when Blondie made Rapture, it just embedded it and solidified it.

1293
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 6: When she dropped my name, when she basically was like

1294
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 6: Fab five, Freddy told me everybody's fly and I was like, man, wow,

1295
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 6: I never thought of it as the whole thing. But

1296
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 6: that's a good look, you know what I mean. She

1297
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 6: represented and gave me a look and it it booms.

1298
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 6: So that's how that really came together.

1299
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: Last last question, I know you said that, but I

1300
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: just want you to tell people how difficult it was

1301
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: to tag trains back in the day, because it was

1302
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't easy. It's not like the train was just

1303
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: sitting there and you'll had eight hours to do what

1304
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: you had to do. I mean, y'all had to deal

1305
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: with police, you had to do with the train moving,

1306
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: you had to deal with the electricity in the trains,

1307
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: like y'all had some ish to deal with.

1308
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: It was so just just talk about that.

1309
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 6: There was a great documentary that was done at the

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Speaker 6: same time we making Wild Style early eighties. There was

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Speaker 6: a documentary called Style Wars that illustrates in fact, Kate

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Speaker 6: Slay who's young graffiti rider named Dez is as a

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Speaker 6: young graffiti rider and he's you see him in Star Wars. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 6: You had to know where the trains what we called

1315
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 6: called the called the layup or in times when the

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01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 6: rush hour is not running, the extra trains are placed

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 6: in different areas in the city, sometimes in tunnels, sometimes

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 6: at the yards. So you had to know which train

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 6: you wanted to get to get up on, where that

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01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 6: train was going to be, whether in a tunnel or

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 6: way up in the train yards at the end of

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 6: the train line somewhere, and then you had to be

1323
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 6: stealthy on some ninja type energy to get up in there,

1324
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 6: because one of the objectives is also you know, not

1325
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 6: to get caught, and so you had to have all

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 6: those pieces together to get in, get out, and hopefully

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Speaker 6: not get caught.

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Speaker 1: You ever got caught taken the tray?

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Speaker 3: Never? Never, But what what would happen to you back

1330
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: when it was raging, which was not a good look

1331
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: if you get caught. One of your sentences was to

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Speaker 3: go wash walls, So you.

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Speaker 6: Overalls, You're your bucket and a bunch of chemicals, and

1334
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 6: you'd be at some platform and some station having the

1335
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Speaker 6: clean walls, feeling like, man, I got caught out here.

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Speaker 3: I feel I'm like a herb now, you know.

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Speaker 6: So it wasn't easy. It was a very difficult thing

1338
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 6: and to really develop it. So that's a crazy part

1339
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 6: that we didn't like to talk about a lot because

1340
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 6: a lot of the paint was actually uh liberated.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's funny when you go in anywhere that sells spray paint.

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Speaker 6: Now in New York City, they still have the spray

1344
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 6: paint in a cage. It's like under lock and key, yep.

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Speaker 6: And I had a lot to do with that form

1346
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 6: of expression, you know something I'm sorry, yeah, no saying

1347
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 6: you know, I had to get that paint.

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Speaker 5: It just something that people thought was just vandalism back

1349
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 5: in the day became something so synonymous part with New

1350
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: York City.

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01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 4: It gave the city character. You see it in video games,

1352
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Speaker 4: cartoons and everything.

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Speaker 6: That blows my mind. You know, graffiti fonts, you know,

1354
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 6: you can get a font and just use graffiti letters.

1355
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 6: So that's that's really satisfying to see that. That's a

1356
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 6: lot of these ideas we had have really worked. And

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Speaker 6: I'm excited for the next fifty.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, we appreciate you for Freddy.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Freddy.

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 3: Wanted to be up here with you guy.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: You brother absolute breakfast club.

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Speaker 6: So I'm getting ready to head out. I'm on my

1363
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 6: way to Burning Man tomorrow. I'm a part of the

1364
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 6: Burning Man world. I'm also on the board of directors,

1365
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 6: so I would be in the Vada desert having a

1366
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 6: blast once again. I know it looks a lot of

1367
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 6: weird to people if you don't know, but it's an

1368
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 6: incredible creative experience where artists come make incredible sculpture. Everybody

1369
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 6: that nobody's trying to sell anything. It's just amazing work

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 6: out in the desert. It's like being in a sci

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 6: fi fantasy world of creativity.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing and I just want to tell you man,

1373
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 5: you are the shoulders that so many of us stand on.

1374
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 5: Whether you are journalist, whether you're a radio personality, the podcasters.

1375
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 5: None of us would be here without the foundation.

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Speaker 4: That a fab five friend. Are you back in the day, man,

1377
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: So we love you, and we value you, and we

1378
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 4: appreciate you. My brother, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's the Breakfast Club, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Yes,