WEBVTT - Joe Hortiz 2023 Rookie Class Breakdown 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.560 If you're listening to the Ravens Press Pass podcast. Today, 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.239 we had a chance to hear from Ravens Director of 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:12.039 Player Personnel Joe Ortiz. He held a session with local 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:17.480 reporters breaking down some film of the Ravens six drafted prospects, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.360 giving us his perspective on what he likes about this class, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.920 and he answered some questions from the media about this 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.200 draft class and the impact they could have on the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:26.920 team this year. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.280 Can you describe the pressure building up into a draft 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.720 where you had so few picks? Where is that How 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.320 much different that when you got ten or eleven like 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:36.159 you had in some of. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:41.519 The Yeah, I guess you can create the pressure. It's 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.320 the best way for me to put it. But I 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.520 think all I think every year we have we put 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.720 that pressure on ourselves, like we want to you want 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.240 to get every pick right, you really do, and when 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.880 you have less, it's like, all right, we got it. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.960 We we do. We got to nail every one of 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.520 these picks. And uh, but I don't think it really. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.440 We really don't change our approach. We don't do things 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.480 differently because oh my god, we got to make We're 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.920 always trying to be thorough, be detailed, have all the 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:16.560 information and make the best decision. But you definitely I 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.600 think post draft, like, well, you know, you have less 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.880 at bats, so you better get more, you better have 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.720 a better batting average. You know, you feel more pressure 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.280 that way. But I think it's more post draft. You know, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.200 we wanted to be great with this draft, and we 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.480 wanted to nail everyone, but we're like that when we 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.759 had eleven picks last year. You want to get them all, right, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.920 But there's probably a little bit more pressure, I guess 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.920 because you have less swings at the plate. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.880 It seemed like in a lot of pre draft and 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.279 it seems like this year, a lot of players that. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.040 Some people have really high, you know, a little bit lower. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.960 Do you have a feeling of whether they would be 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.720 there when you picked, or you're kind of surprised that 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:57.320 they were there? 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.520 You thought he could be He was certainly one of 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.880 the players that all our scouts looked at of the 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.480 guys that we thought could be there. Was I shocked 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.200 that he was there? No, I wasn't. Did I think 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.959 he could have gone before we picked? Absolutely? And again, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.040 the way the receiver run was last year and the 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.320 amount of resources that have been poured into the position. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.280 The fact that the run didn't start till write around 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.359 when we were picking, that actually surprised me a little bit. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.400 You know, so who went first. That wouldn't have surprised 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.960 me that because I think everyone if you asked everyone 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.120 from February to the draft to shake him up in 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.240 a cup and pour them out, you're going to get 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.880 different orders every single time, you know. But I thought 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.200 that the run might start a little earlier, just because 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.480 of the way the league is treating the position. Now, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.120 BC maybe didn't use say that you were. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.640 Enough of that you were hoping to see on safe 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.519 because projected. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.560 It not really know they I mean they used him 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.720 in a lot of different ways. I mean, he's a 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.120 you know, he's certainly probably their best playmaker, you know, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.000 and so they they tried to get him the ball, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.480 they put it like I said, they had him out wide, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:16.799 they put him in the slot, they moved him to 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.560 the backfield. They tried to use him on a double pass. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.440 He aboarded and took it in on his own. But no, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.480 I think, you know, I you know, he he when 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:28.800 you're that kind of a player, you don't want to 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.800 overuse him. Maybe on as a punt returner, but he 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.240 shows the ability to catch punts and certainly look really 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:36.880 natural doing it at the East West when I was 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:37.880 out there watching him there. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.480 So all that, I think you're just looking at his 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.000 statistical pression. I think that freshman year he was getting 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.600 all carries, design, design touches, because the sophomore year has 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:49.280 that forty year. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.400 Was that just you know, him. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.840 Maybe leveling up as a receiver and then you know, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.839 realizing what he was or what was something else with him, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.960 you know, his role changing becoming. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.200 More that that downfield. Yeah, it's probably just h him 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.720 him growing as a receiver. I would think if you 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.400 look at you know, when you have veteran players anywhere 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.320 at college pro like they you kind of especially in college. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.560 You got a senior junior that you trust, and he 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.400 got the young guy that's a playmaker. Let's get the 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.320 ball in his hands, give him some carries. We got 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.480 the seniors or the juniors that we get. You know, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.440 they've been the X, they've been to Z, so yeah, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.720 that's probably them, just like let's get him. Just find 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.240 ways to get the ball in his hands. I think 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.720 a lot of college coaches do that when they get 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.960 a player like Zay, like just find a way to 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.120 get it to him and then let him grow into 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.280 his role. And that's what he did with Addison. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.080 You know, he played with Kenny Pickett and then he 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.800 transferred to Playland. Probably guys gonna be the wonder Ball 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.200 pick next year with Zay? Did you see more upside 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.640 there because he wasn't playing with the quarterback? You know, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.120 it's going to be most likely first round picking what 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.039 he can become in an NFL offense. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.960 Yeah, I think, you know, I think when you look 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.920 at players and there's listen, there's not a lot of 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.719 number one picks playing quarterback in college football. You know, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.960 so they are what their quarterbacks are what they are. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.720 And you know, I think you look at a receiver, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.200 especially or a tight end. You look at them and 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.800 how are they running routes? How are they catching the ball? 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.599 You know, is the ball on target? Nope? It wasn't 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.000 on target there, you know. And but man, he got open. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.599 He can separate, he can you know, when the ball 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.359 is on target, he can finish, he can catch, he 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.120 can catch contested. So I think you really look at 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:35.640 him independent sometimes scheme is probably more a player his 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.760 production can be affected more by skiing than necessarily who 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.080 the quarterback is. Now certainly I can think of quarterbacks, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.560 and I can think of players again without naming names, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.800 since this is on the record, that man, they left 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.520 a lot of yards out there with that. You know, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.159 there's been some receivers that might have another three hundred 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:01.560 yards in their college senior season. But the quarterback, you know, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.719 cost of those, you know, but that's that's the nature 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.760 of the game. You know. But that receiver, you see him, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.279 he's wide open, he got deep, just got overthrown, you know, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.160 so you you feel like he's gonna be able to 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:13.480 do it. You get an accurate ball on him, you're 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.680 gonna get more production fro him. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.440 Should have to have been doing what you guys ultimately 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.160 did with Modi And can you just kind of take 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.000 us through how that played out, because something you guys 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.400 it already done your fresh staff intever. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.480 Yeah, so you know, it's just it was like it's 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.920 almost like an organic thing. You know. It's like our 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.600 scouts liked him. Uh, you know, he towards a c 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.280 l I still had jo d look at him, and 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.120 Jod liked him. Offensive line coaches liked him. Devline liked him, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.320 so we did all the same work on him, and 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.120 then we had him on the board and it was 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.640 one of those things where we only have six picks 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.160 or five picks, and you know, if we got an 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.960 opportunity to get a late round pick, he'd be a 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.720 guy we'd consider and uh and so it was talked 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:01.479 about throughout the draft process and you know, and there's 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.160 other players that are injured, you know, or have a 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.279 medical concern that we'll still consider taking. And it just 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.200 got to the point where we came down here, had 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.440 the discussion with you guys, had the press conference with 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.680 you guys, and it you know, Eric kind of called 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.800 a shot. I think, you know, who knows we might 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.080 get you know, we get back in. But we went 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.640 back up there and we talked about it going into 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.000 day three. You know, if we got enough, if we 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.920 made a trade and got a seventh round pick, he'd 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.840 be a guy that we'd target. And we were just 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.760 able to get back in. When we got back up 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.320 there were some teams with multiple picks that frankly didn't 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:39.840 want to use all of them, and we were able 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.960 to trade next year six for them, and so it 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.720 just kind of worked out great, you know, But don't 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.000 you know, it wasn't one of those things where like 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.640 we're definitely doing it. It was, you know, just if 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.200 the opportunity presents itself and it's something we'd consider. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:57.240 Process question with Simpson, you're sitting there in the third late. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.800 I know Eric in the past has been moaned not 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.960 have the second round pick, and how difficult that week 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.560 is and you're seeing these guys fall off the board. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.520 How difficult is it just to. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.720 Kind of be patient to think that one guy you 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.640 have graded in that spot is still going to be 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.560 there and when is there a lot of discussion in 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.480 that case, but hey, maybe we should move up to 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.840 get this guy or we're gonna be left blah blah blah. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.560 You know, I think in some ears, when it's one 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.440 guy that you're sitting on, you might be more inclined 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.240 to go up if you have some resources to go 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.920 up with. In this case, it wasn't just one guy 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:40.000 when we had plenty of targets, so to speak. When 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.199 day two began, obviously we knew there was going to 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.800 be a lot of attrition through the second round, but 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.439 when we started the third there were still a good 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.840 number of names up there that we were we liked, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.280 and then they literally just probably fifteen picks away. They 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.880 kind of just rolled off the board, that cluster of guys, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.079 and he was the last one standing. There comes a 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.240 point where you're like, okay, we're four picks away, we 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.719 got we got three guys left. One of them is 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.760 going to be there, you know, you just because you're 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.200 in the third round. There's no like, I mean, it 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.800 can happen. You could lose all three picks, but that's 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.760 the way it worked out. Trenton was it, you know, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.880 and he was sitting there, and so yeah, there's some 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.400 years where you'd want to consider going up, but if 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.360 it's just like one guy who's kind of sitting out. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.920 But I think I've learned personally in terms of patients, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.480 like the draft is the draft, you know, and you're 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.240 gonna be sitting there and a guy you really hope 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.000 gets to you is going to be taken, and you 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.480 just got to be ready to take the next one. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.480 That just kind of another process question you guys. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.480 Maybe I told us this, like give guys round grades 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.880 so that if you are there in the third round 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.679 and there was literally no guys with a third round grade, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.920 then you would be compelled to trade into the fourth 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:57.600 round or something. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.000 And is that how you evaluate that? Yeah, we don't 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.360 put great round grades on players. We put just a 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:08.560 number grade on a player. Yeah, it's just you know, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.680 typically this grade. You know, again, we stack it, you know, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:17.320 and Eric stacks it with you know, with the room, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.079 uses the room to end his opinion obviously to stack 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.320 the board. But then I have my own individual ranking. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.400 So if Eric asks me, would you take a player 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:35.199 at eighty four at thirty six? Doesn't matter if he's 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.640 in my top thirty six. And Eric asked me, would 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.240 you take him at thirty six? And I say, no, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.880 Well who else am I going to take? You know? 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.320 So it's like, yeah, I would take him at thirty six, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.200 you know. So now typically I know in my stack, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.280 like I may, there'll be somebody, there's gonna be other 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.200 players that one maybe I haven't seen, or two I 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.920 just didn't like as much, are going to go ahead. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.240 So it's almost like in the third round, someone in 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.800 my top six will probably be there, you know, if 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.920 we're picking at ninety, you know, and so you know, 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.200 would I take ninety in the third round? Yeah, I 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.640 would because I have ninety players and we're the ninetieth pick. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.120 That's what I would take. But that's kind of how 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:17.319 it works. So the scouts that do him Eric may say, hey, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.280 would you take him in the third round? Well, hey, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.800 haven't done everyone else on the board, But they're just 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.679 kind of like, it just doesn't feel like a third 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.440 round player to me. It's more like a fourth you know. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.640 That's that's just a dialogue conversation. But in the end, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.839 wherever we're picking, we've got to have If we're twenty two, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.160 we got to have twenty two guys. So if I 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.960 say I take a guy in the first round, he's 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.680 in my top twenty two. He might be the twenty 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.440 second guy, but yeah, I take him. And there's times 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.000 where I'm like, you know what, he's not even in 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.960 my top twenty two, and I'd still take him. He 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.719 might not be my top twenty two, but if the 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.040 room likes him enough, heck, yeah I take him because 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.120 I still like him. He's just number twenty three or 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.440 twenty four for me. You know, it's not it's the 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:55.600 organization's pick. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.679 You're listening to the Ravens Press Pass podcasts, This is 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.000 a conversation with Joe or t Is, the Ravens director 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.079 of player personnel, breaking down some of the prospects from 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.800 this year's class and what he thinks the six drafted 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.560 players could bring to the team this year. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.800 With I'm curious, have you seen more talent coming out 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:19.520 of Canada in recent years? And then secondly, is his 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.199 hustle and retracing to the ball kind of uncanny? 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.600 Answer the second one uncanny? No, but I like it, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.640 you know. I mean it's one of those things where 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.560 it just you can't help but not enjoy seeing guys 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.880 play hard and go and there's certainly other players in 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.600 college football to do it, but he's just he just 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.600 it's a motor. I mean, he's passionate and cares about 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.240 the game. And yeah, you know, players coming from Canada, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.439 I think there's there, always have been. Is there a 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.400 high volume of player from Canada? No, but you just 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:51.880 do see more and more when you go to the 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.440 colleges throughout the country. You know that their kids are 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.719 coming down. They're playing high school in Canada, or they 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.199 make come down to the States and play at a 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.960 you know, a prep school or somewhere down here to 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.960 gain some experience and then obviously going to college. But 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.520 there is definitely i'd say growth. And I think, you know, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.640 football has always been popular enough up in Canada, they 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.400 have the CFL and there's exposure to it, but I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.600 think there's probably becoming more and more exposure would be 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.360 there's a little bit more exposure nowadays. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.520 So two of them MOUs On Simpson just reading up 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.199 on the scouting reports where one of the misstackles and then 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.360 two just the processing. Did you think both of those 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.520 are probably a function just how dumb he is and 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.200 just you know, give more, get more reps, get more 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.239 hear that's. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.080 Yeah, yeah, And like I mean, tackling is a thing 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.040 that you can improve on. I mean especially when you're 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.439 an athletic kid, and he is very athletic, so excuse me. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.760 It becomes about leverage, about angles, you know, tempo in 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.000 the back, you know whatever, you know, breaking down, coming 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.000 to balance. So that's definitely something that any player with 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:04.320 athletic ability can improve upon, especially if they're techniques off. Personally, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.400 I thought he was. I wasn't concerned about either one. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.280 And when you talk about you know, processing, you know 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.120 you're talking about a player again. That was really a 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.800 nickel type rover backer, you know. So it's going to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.920 be different inside the box this year. There is a 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.200 little bit of like process, read, react, go because you're 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.680 not used to picking up little tails from the offensive 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.200 lineman because you have never done it before. So, yes, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.160 that's something. He's a smart kid, he's a diligent worker. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.280 He cares about the game. He's going to get better 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.120 at it with more reps, just like all of us. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.280 More reps is something that we're not as exposed to. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.600 We'll get better at it. Look over the. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.960 Past few years of the draft, are you finding any 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.960 trends or relations on more big picture of what teams 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.000 are liking disliking anything that you could you recognized. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.360 We study stuff like that, you know, and without saying anything, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.600 you know, but we certainly do research on it. You know. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.520 I think some obvious ones. More receivers are getting taken, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.320 you know, higher, and obviously the Backs. It's great to 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:10.840 see a couple of backs go in the first round 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.880 this year, honestly, because I mean it's not fair, you know, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.720 I mean the Backs get you know, everyone's talking now 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.240 backs undervalue and that they're still good players, you know, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.680 So I think Both those guys are great players and 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.120 deserving where they're a pick. So I like seeing it, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.280 you know, and I'm not opposed to taking a running back. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.280 I mean, heck if if you know, we would have 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.280 a chance to put mel into retirement, you know, but 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.440 you know, not that we want to do that, but 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.480 he you know, they're both great players. So yeah, there's 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.440 definitely trends that go on through the league, and we 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.160 try to study it and an idea them, but it's 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.240 so fluid. It's so fluid, you know, there's so much 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:54.480 turnover in this league, GM's coaches, coaching staffs, so just 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.720 when you think you have a trend figured out, they 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:57.600 can go the other way. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.520 You're going to talk about a first round why receiver 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.280 and was in the knock with Okay, well maybe maybe 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:04.800 the drops when you describe kind of the way he 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.400 went about him that was more like, well we understand 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.680 why that happened when given like form, that was a. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.800 Knock on him. And then the way that it's worked. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.800 Out just in the the work, bring up up what 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.200 are the conversations like talking about a guy that as 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.200 you're going back pros and cons, is there an extra 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.920 concern or bigger debates because of that history. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.360 Yeah, I mean, certainly you got to you gotta pay 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.560 attention to history, but you also have to understand that 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.240 there are different every All players are different. You don't 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.880 want to knock a guy because of a previous player, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.840 and you also don't want to give the guy the 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.120 benefit of the doubt because of a previous player. So, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:52.240 you know, we it's funny because you mentioned Brashad and 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.280 then you think about Tory. Tory drops some balls in college, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.080 and Toy was a big, fast, strong guy who ran downfield. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.800 So you know, do you drop a lot of balls now? 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.040 But Tory would drop some balls to college. Prashad dropped 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.199 some balls. But Purshot also made great catches. So you 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.520 just try to compare them to players that we've had 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.399 or players that you know in the league. And you know, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.439 obviously you know Burshad wasn't as productive as we had hoped. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.920 Certainly dealt with some injuries that I truly I don't 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.199 know if you guys were out here the day he 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.320 got hurt, but I think he had five or six 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.439 catches for about one hundred and seventy yards and three touchdowns. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.920 I'm like, oh my god, and then he hurts his 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.879 knee right in front of me, and it was a 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.600 long process of recovery and that you know, you know, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.000 I don't know if that's why, But he still drops 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.399 some balls afterwards, So Zay. I feel good about Zay's hands. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.720 And I think you look at them individually, I really do. 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.600 I think if you sit there and say, oh, he 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.240 drops some balls, so did this guy, they're going to 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.160 be saying I just don't think that's fair. I think 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.600 you have to really dig into it and see why 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.199 they're doing it, if there's a reason, if there's a 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.840 common occurrence, what causes the drops. But you see him 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.920 make enough contested catches and again, and you guys saw 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.679 it on the on the film, he catches the ball 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.080 away from his frame. It's just sometimes you gotta focus 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:19.879 a little more, you know. Now, if he had to 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.280 get on the field, he might go to help you 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:21.919 this this year? 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.080 Will it be a blitzer rough stop or what do 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:26.880 you think he does best? 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:27.360 Right now? 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.240 Yeah? I think I think early on, the thing that's 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.280 gonna stand out about is his ability to pursue and 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.040 and run to the ball. And then he does have 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.920 blitzing ability. I mean he is explosive, you know, off 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.879 the edge or coming from depth. You know. So if 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.040 if you had to say, okay, Joe, what's the one 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.360 thing you're gonna hang your hat on trenton right now? 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.119 Day one? What's he gonna go out there? And do 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.840 you tell him go chase that ball? You know, and 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.960 and go and pressure the quarterback? You know, because he's 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.880 got elite speed, just like our other two inside backers 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.480 you know who were are true starter. So we just 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.080 added more speed to the insire backer position and speed 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:11.560 and athleticism. So it's great with someone like Kayyie. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.480 Does pedigree matter at all or is just like another 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.400 line that's kind of biographical information on a prospect? 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.800 Yeah, you know, I I think when you it doesn't 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.240 hurt certainly. You know, he's been around the game and 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:30.080 you know a lot of these guys either generations, you know, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.600 grandfather's fathers played in the league. That exposure does help 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.560 a player acclimate himself, understand what he's getting into. Doesn't 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.119 push him up, no, but it's just it's it's a 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.720 positive thing, you know. And there's every year in the draft, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.159 there is numerous I mean, obviously Joey Porter, you know, 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.080 you know who people were asking me about before the 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.959 draft would be fun. But you know there's the they 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.960 just get exposed to the game, they understand how it goes. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.840