1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Bodydas but Joseph scotten. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: More, there's a passage comes out of the Bible, and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: I'm not much of a biblical scholar, but it simply says, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: this a study to show thyself approved. And over the 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: past few months, I would say that there is a 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: particular case that has been I don't know, occupying a 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: lot of space in the papers. As they used to say, 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: they're slinging a lot of ink regarding this case. And 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: this past week, after a bit of silence, we've gotten 10 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: some new news and I felt as though that it 11 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: was incumbent upon me to hop on with brother Dave 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: and have a conversation. It's in regards to a car 13 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: that was located at fourteen five Bluebird Street in Los Angeles, California. 14 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: That car was a Tesla and the person who in 15 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: fact had this car it was a subject by the 16 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: name of d four. 17 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: VD. 18 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs from 19 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: Jump Street. Dave. I want to tell you something this 20 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: appendix of this writ of Habeas Corpus that was released 21 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: this past week, there was something that reached through my 22 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: screen and grabbed me by the throat. As I was 23 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: reading it. And I've had several several news platforms that 24 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: you know, they gave me the hum sound, you know, 25 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: like what is what does this mean? And and here 26 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: here it is reading reading this appendix in regards to 27 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: this writ there's a subsection in there where they refer 28 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: to the body, this positively identified body of CELESE. Reeves 29 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: as part of her remains were contained in a cadaver back. 30 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: And Dave, I don't know about you. That's not something 31 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: that I come across on crime scenes. I don't remember 32 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: a single crime scene that I have ever worked, either 33 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: as a practitioner or have covered as person that works 34 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: in the media now and teaches. I've never had a 35 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: case where I've had a body that was found in 36 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: a cadaver back. Now they're using the term cadaver bag, okay, 37 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: And I just so that there is no misunderstanding here 38 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: or misinterpretation. This is a body bag, just like the 39 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: name of the show. And here's something interesting. Do you 40 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: know what they were called before they were called bodybags? 41 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Day no no idea. 42 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: Disaster pouches. Really yeah, disaster pouches. It was a very 43 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: popular term. And they haven't always been made out of 44 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: plastic they used to be made of like heavy canvas, 45 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: if you can believe, almost like sail like sailing canvas, 46 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: you know. But anyway, these remains, these remains that are 47 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: found inside of this tesla. Now we have kind of 48 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: a peak behind the curtain, if you will. They're actively 49 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 2: working this crom scene, and the idea is they've they've 50 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: feeled us back and we're seeing now. You know, there's 51 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: been a lot of mystery shrouding this whole thing, and 52 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: we haven't really known much. And I understand that it's 53 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: an active investigation, not judging, okay, but most of it 54 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: has been speculative. In this particular case, Sodave, we have 55 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: some confirmation that there's a body back involved in this. 56 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Well not just confirmation, I mean, you've got it right 57 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: there in you know, whatever color you want to call it, 58 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: black and white, red and white legal documentation. Here's what 59 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about is the death of Celeste Reevas. Her 60 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: body is found in a tesla owned by the up 61 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: and coming singer known as D four VD. Actually that's 62 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: just how he spells it. He pronounces a David. It's 63 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: just a creative way to spell David Anthony Burke. Okay, 64 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke is the guy's name. He's twenty years old. 65 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: He actually began a career singing because he was a 66 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: video game player online and he would record himself playing 67 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: videos and he would upload those videos to YouTube, and 68 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: he used current music on his videos, and they became 69 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: popular because other players watched to learn new tricks at 70 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: the game and things like that, and all of a sudden, 71 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: one day, YouTube basically bounced him because he didn't have 72 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: He was copyright infringement. You can't use songs without permission, 73 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: and so he was defunded and that was where his 74 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: money was coming from. And he's complaining to his mom, 75 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: all right, his mom, over and over. He's telling herm, 76 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: I can't believe them they got the money. And finally 77 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: she got frustrated. She was, according to him, she was 78 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: on the phone with doing business and she said, David, 79 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: why don't you just go sing your own songs? Just 80 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: stop it, leave me alone. And that's what he did. 81 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: He downloaded an app on his iPhone, went into his 82 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: sister's closet and made up a and that led to 83 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: his career. He started putting his own songs on those 84 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: videos that he was playing online and a Fortnite in particular, 85 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: and people love what they heard. Now, these songs are macabre. 86 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: We're talking murder and mayhem and lots of blood and 87 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: just horrific scenery in your head. But that's what David 88 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Burke was doing and it was from this online gaming 89 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: thing he developed a sing a music career. And not 90 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna talk about talent or anything else, because obviously you 91 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: have to have talent to be able to do something 92 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: like that. With David Anthony Burke, he is innocent. I'll 93 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: proven guilty. I got to say this because everything we're 94 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: looking at looks really, really bad. It looks to me 95 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: as if David Anthony Burke became popular on making his 96 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: music videos his videos with his music again, hey way 97 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: to go. But part two of that is that it 98 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: opened him up to conversations with other people online. And 99 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: one of those people was a girl named Celeste Revas Hernandez. 100 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: Celeste Revas is from Lake Elsinor, California, and Celeste grew 101 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: up in a pretty wide open home. Celeste was a 102 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: known runaway. She left her home a lot. Whenever she 103 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: got mad with her folks, she would go spend the 104 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: night at another relative's house. I mean, this was common 105 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: in her family, that she had a wild streak. Not 106 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: blaming her, I'm not blaming the victim. I'm just trying 107 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: to point out because what you're about to hear seems unbelievable, 108 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: but it's very believable. I believe at the age of 109 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: twelve she looked older than that. But I believe at 110 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: the age of twelve she met David Burke online, and 111 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: I believe, based on their own videos pictures, that he 112 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: knew she was underage. As their relationship grew, people in 113 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: his inner circle thought she was nineteen. He's twenty. I 114 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: believe they've been together for three or four or five years. 115 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: When I got to tell you these videos you're referring to, 116 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people have seen them, 117 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: you can see either she is masking her face or 118 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: he is spinning the camera or manipulating the camera so 119 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: that she cannot clearly be seen. And that's where a 120 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: lot of the mystery comes from. And listen, when it 121 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: doesn't matter, It really doesn't because if you look at 122 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: this from an evidentiary standpoint, and the tools that we 123 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: have just within forensics, digital forensics, particularly as it applies 124 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: to biometrics. You can identify her, you know, readily. Okay, 125 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: she's easy to identify it, just if they do face 126 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: captures on her. And then not to mention, you're going 127 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: to have all these peripheral individuals that are wandering in 128 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: and out and all about his circle, if you will, 129 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: that bore witness to her presence there. And also here's 130 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: something else, Dave is going to be the the the domestic, 131 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: the domestic arrangement that's going to be incredibly damning here 132 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: if this comes to light where we find out that 133 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: hear these conversations that investigators have been having. Now a 134 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: lot of it has been has been thrown back onto 135 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: the parents. And I understand while people are really hot 136 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: over that because she, as you mentioned, she was, I 137 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: don't know, a master of understatement here, of free spirit, 138 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: if you will. But she's in dwelling at this domicile. 139 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: And what were they were they in dwelling, same sleeping 140 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: quarters together? You know, had anybody seen them be intimate 141 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: with one another? And also is there any record of intimacy, 142 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: you know the world that we're in, you know people, 143 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: you know, film things, if you know what I mean. 144 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: And I wonder you know how deeply they've dug into 145 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: this element. I do know this. I do know this. 146 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: Coupled with this statement that there was a cadaver bag 147 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: containing human remains that appear to be hers, coupled that 148 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: with some of the other things that have been found 149 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: at this residence. I got to tell you, guys, I 150 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: didn't think the story could get any darker. Right now, 151 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: I can barely see my hand in front of my face. 152 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, the fact that that we now have some 153 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: clarity about what was in the car. Uh, there's just 154 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: as much data in this thing that that actually goes 155 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: to a timeline about the car being moved about some 156 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: and not so much being moved about, but about how 157 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: the authorities actually interacted with the vehicle, which is which 158 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: is interesting because a lot has been made of the 159 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: fact that, uh, you know, we have remains obviously that 160 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: have been found in the vehicle. But in addition to that, 161 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: we begin to kind of understand what the progression was. 162 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: We actually have a sense of when the vehicle was 163 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: found by a citizen or at least, you know, like 164 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: serious attention was paid for it. And listen, let me 165 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: just kind of read this off to you. This is 166 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: in black and white. It's off of the appendices that 167 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: came off of this writ, and it'll kind of kind 168 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: of fill in some of the blanks here. So and 169 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: I quote, detectives were advised that on August twenty sixth, 170 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, a citizen reported the above dimentioned Tesla 171 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: as an abandoned vehicle parked across from fourteen oh five 172 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: Bluebird Street. On August twenty seventh. One day later, twenty 173 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: twenty five, Department of Transportation officers, Now, this is going 174 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: to be people that go around marking cars, that'll like 175 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: make check chalk marks on tires and they make like rounds. 176 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: After they've done that. It gives them a timing feature 177 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: as to how long a car is been in place. 178 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: They also issue parking tickets and these sorts of things. So, 179 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: Department of Transportation officers responded to Bluebird and marked the vehicle. 180 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: On September third, they returned to the vehicle and issued 181 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: a citation. Now I don't know what that citation actually is. 182 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: Is it actually a paper citation or is it something 183 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: that you get through an email, you know, because they 184 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: scanned something in But according to the writ, they issued 185 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: a citation on the third. Now jumping ahead to the fifth. 186 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: On September the fifth, twenty twenty five, Department of Transportation 187 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: impounded the vehicle to Hollywood Hollywood Toe. All right, so 188 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Hollywood area Toe. And it was noted that the tesla 189 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: was registered to And this is how they This is 190 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: not me saying this, This is how the writ reads, 191 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: registered to tar Get David Anthony Burke. He gives his 192 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: home address in Hempstead, Texas. And then they go on say, 193 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: make note here that David, who is a singer and 194 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: performing artist, was on tour at the time the vehicle 195 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: was impounded. So that kind of frames it out, doesn't itay, 196 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: as far as the progression goes relative to the vehicle, 197 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: because the vehicle is our central point of it has 198 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: the most evidentary value. I'm not saying that the residence 199 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: doesn't have value, because it certainly does, because I think 200 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: some probably really rough stuff went on there. However, that 201 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: vehicle is a moving crime scene, okay, simply based on 202 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: the fact that, according to them, we've got human remains 203 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: inside of it. 204 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Right, And that's when we started, you know, the investigation, 205 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: or the public investigation begins with the Tesla being at 206 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: the towyard. When the the odor comes out, they smell 207 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: it and call the cops. It was then that a 208 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: body was found. So everything that you just said is 209 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: stuff we had to back into. How did the car 210 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: get there? You know who put it there? And that's 211 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: when we went back even further. You talk about August 212 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, you know that's in the paperwork. Well, now 213 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: we know, based on the investigative reporting we've been doing 214 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: on this since the story broke in September of twenty 215 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: twenty five, that the lad that vehicle, that Tesla that 216 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: was dirty and dented, that was parked in this upscale 217 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: neighborhood became an eyesore and neighbors complained about it multiple times, 218 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: and it would get moved. The car would be moved 219 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: into different areas along Bluebird Street and another one, but 220 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: all within eyesight of the house that was rented for 221 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke. The last time it was moved July thirtieth. 222 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: It was parked in the spot where it was towed 223 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: from on July the thirtieth, the same day that David 224 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Anthony Burke left town with his best friend Neo to 225 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: begin his first World tour and he was out of town. 226 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: So carg gets parked that morning. And by the way, 227 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: PI Stephen Fisher has seen who was driving the car 228 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: the last time it was parked. He will not give 229 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: that information out. 230 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: I was going to say, I didn't think that Steven 231 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: had given it out now because he's going to We've 232 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: been on air with him several times. Yes, I got 233 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: to tell you to this point, he's been right on 234 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: the money with He's been a rock star just about everything. 235 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,359 Speaker 2: And please can you please remind our friends who he represents. 236 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: So he actually was hired by the owner of the 237 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: rental home because when the story started to break, the 238 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: owner of the home, the home was rented to David 239 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Burke's manager, and it was rented for David Anthony Burke. 240 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: This is not a cheap home, and at twenty grand 241 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: a month, you got to be making some coin to 242 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: foot that kind of bill, even out in La So 243 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: when the owner of the home saw what was going on, 244 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: I got to find out what happened in my home? 245 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: Did somebody get killed in my home? What's going on here? 246 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: And so up until that point he didn't really know, 247 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: and he hired Steve Fisher to find out, and so 248 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: Steve Fisher has been a huge source for most of 249 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: the information we have found out since because we backed 250 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: into it. Most of us had never heard of David 251 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Burke D four VD. If you're under twenty five, 252 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: you probably didn't. If you're not a gamer, probably didn't. 253 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: But his first world tour was getting ready to take off. 254 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: He's had videos that have been viewed in the hundreds 255 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: of millions of times Joe for the Youth of the world. 256 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: He has become quite the entertainment figure and his career 257 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: was just getting ready to explode when this story broke. Yeah, 258 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: first role tour and by the way, something we have 259 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: found out. Remember now body is identified in September, his 260 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: World tour is underway. The body is found rather September eighth. 261 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: Between September the eighth and the seventeenth, when celestiy of 262 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: his body was identified, David Anthony Burke was on tour 263 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: playing dates. Nothing canceled even though a body was found 264 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: in the car registered to him. Now, I'm not calling 265 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: anybody out for this. That'll happen later, but I'm gonna 266 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: be honest with you. If I'm your manager, and we 267 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: just found the body of somebody in your car. You 268 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: aren't going to be We're going to sadvertise, you're not 269 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: going on stage, you know, no, we're going to find out. 270 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: But they didn't. The record label put him out there 271 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: and they said, it's not my job to worry about 272 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: what he does. My job to get the tour played 273 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: the dates. 274 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: So well, you know, you're talking about the fandom that's 275 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: out there. And I got to tell you from Jump 276 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: Street relative to this when I first heard that information drop. 277 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he is guilty of anything, 278 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: but he's the owner of the vehicle, he is domiciled 279 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: at that residence. And you find this child's body in 280 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: the vehicle and you're still going to be out on tour. 281 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: It's arguably one of the more callous things I think. 282 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: And don't preach to me about business, all right, don't 283 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: preach to me about it's well, the show must go 284 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: on and anything else that you want to say. You're 285 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: talking about this young woman's body that was found in 286 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: his vehicle and you're still going to be playing gigs. 287 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: It's I don't know, it does not that is a 288 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: really bad looking moving forward here. 289 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: Dave. But one thing to point out from his Yeah, 290 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: when her body was identified on the seventeenth, everything stopped. 291 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: And it only stopped because body was identified. If that 292 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: body was not identified as lesttery of us a missing 293 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: girl from Lake Elsinor who was fourteen, because at first 294 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: they reported it as fifteen. She turned fifteen in the 295 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: trunk of that car in the front, you know, but 296 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: her body she'd been dead for a while at that point. 297 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't die today and then tomorrow find 298 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: yourself in bags in the front of a car, decomposing 299 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: and in parts because part of her is in one 300 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: bag and part of her is in another. Correct. 301 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. And this goes to I got 302 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: to tell you this has got a real dark aspect 303 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: to it, Dave. I think you know I've mentioned this, 304 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: but it deserves, you know, repeat here. There are a 305 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: lot of little dark points along along the continuum, as 306 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: we've learned with this particular case, all we have to 307 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: do is go back to what Steven had talked about. 308 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: I think it's from him that we got this information 309 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: about the burn cage that was found at that residence. 310 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: And this thing burns David. You know, I was chatting 311 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: with some colleagues about this because the case, you know, 312 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: forensically is it's a pretty incredible case study if you're 313 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: trying to educate your students. The burn cage itself, which 314 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: can be purchased at any big box store like Home 315 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: Depot or Low's or you name it. I don't know, 316 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: maybe you could order one from Ace Hardware for all 317 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: I know. But this thing actually burns harder, hotter rather 318 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: than a crematory. What yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 319 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: It was less, Joe. I assumed. 320 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: It all depends on how you manage it. And one 321 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: of the things that it does is that it renders 322 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: down brush safely, so you can chop up stuff, put 323 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: it in there. You're out on property, you can set 324 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: this stuff ablaze. And then we have have these tools, 325 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: you know, that were found. I think that there's like 326 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 2: a chainsaw, and you know, I asked, I asked Steven 327 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: the private investigator. This is kind of interesting because I 328 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: don't know if this is accurate or not, but I 329 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: would say that the ZIP code where this tesla was 330 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: recovered from it is probably wealth wise. It's probably in 331 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: the top fifty at least, right with Hollywood Hills. I 332 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: mean in the US perhaps you know, I know that Fallon, well, 333 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: I don't know about Fallon, but Kimmel Kimmel lives up there. 334 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there's tons of stars that live around this area, 335 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: and you're talking about twenty k a month. But anyway, 336 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: back I digress. I asked Steve, and I said, so, 337 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: let me ask something, Stephen. Is it necessary if you're 338 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: paying twenty k a month for this place? It's almost 339 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: laughable when you think about do you have your own landscaping? 340 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: And he kind of chuckled when I said that, And 341 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily say it tongue in cheek, but I 342 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: think I kind of was. He's like, no, all of 343 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: that's included. So I'm not going to need to go 344 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: out and buy a chainsaw. I'm not gonna need to 345 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: go out and buy a rubbish burner or you know 346 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: this burn cage thing by the way, which is illegal, 347 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: it's illegal to use where he's living. Absolutely, I mean, 348 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 2: we're looking at we're in the we're literally in the waken. 349 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: You and I have had had had a friend of 350 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: ours that lost her home in Palisades fire, and literally 351 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: we're you know, we're we're in the wake of this thing. 352 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: There's a reason why they have burn limits out there 353 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: because everything's so brutal and it'll go up in a flash. 354 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: But yet these things are purchased and they're there. There's 355 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: no evidence that they had ever been used. However, yeah, 356 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: why do you have them? And that brings me back 357 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: to a daver back? You know, why do you have 358 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: a cadaver back? When when they went into this Tesla Dave, 359 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: when they open this thing up, they did find bagged remains, 360 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 2: and they made a very specific point of saying this 361 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: was a cadaver back. Okay, and again, these can be purchased. 362 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: It's no big deal going to Amazon. Literally, I urge 363 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: everybody within the sound of my voice, good Amazon, all right. Now. 364 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: They ain't paying me nothing, you know, for saying this. 365 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: But everybody uses Amazon. A lot of people do go 366 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: to Amazon and just plug in the words cadaver back 367 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: and see what pops up. And people use them for 368 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: all kinds of things, you know, getting rid of animal 369 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: remains and decoration. And I guess you could get rid 370 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: of human remains or contain them this way. Maybe. 371 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, Joe, think about this now. You and I talked 372 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: about this off the air, but you know his videos 373 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: and things like that that he has done included bloody 374 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: shirts and bloody attire and things like that. It's all 375 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: about murdering mayhem anyway, So kudaver Bag, from his standpoint, 376 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: could be purchased for any number of things by David 377 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: Anthony Burke. The thing here is not that they were 378 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: purchased because again, based on his material, I can see 379 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: where it would be used in the video. However, the 380 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: artist who has a record label behind them, they don't 381 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: have to provide stuff to shoot the video with. Okay 382 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: that back in the day the Go Gos remember them, 383 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, remember the first album they had where 384 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: I had the girls on like they just got out 385 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: of the shower and they had the towels on. Okay, 386 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: they were so broke and they had no deal in 387 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: the label that those towels. Actually they went to a 388 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: Sears and got the towels off the rack, saved the 389 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: receipts and then took them back after the photo shoot. 390 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: Reverse for them. Yeah, oh, I'm sorry to get. 391 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: Their money back back. Yeah, they took them back, got 392 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: their money. Yeah, that's not the case here, Okay, David 393 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Burke has plenty of cash if he needs to 394 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: buy something, but he's not going to have to buy 395 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: it for the videos, because that's already been done. But 396 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: the worst thing about this, if you really take it 397 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: the step further, is that while we could find legitimate 398 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: reasons for him to have a cadaver bag that have 399 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: nothing to do with a dead body, his cadaver bag 400 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: has a dead body in it, part of a dead body, 401 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: and that part of the dead body is a girl 402 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: who he was with for at least two years and 403 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: tried to deny in video form, in photo form, no 404 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: matter where they were, if they were on video somewhere, 405 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: her face was obsconbed some way obscured. Yeah, and they 406 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: together knew it, and they together did that, Joe. It 407 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: wasn't like he alone tried to do it. She continually 408 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: covered her face, so Lesreevius did. Now, we are not 409 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: accusing anyone of anything, merely pointing out some factual things 410 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: about this case and being a human being, the mere 411 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: thought that another human beings body was found in your 412 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: vehicle and you were the one having your vehicle moved 413 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: up and down the street, a vehicle that was your 414 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: regular driver up until the part where you parked it 415 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: dented and dirty on the side of the street, and 416 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: then this body shows up in the front and you 417 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: act like it's no big deal. Sorry, friend, we need 418 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: to look a little deeper at you, and by the way, 419 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: your family, because your family won't show up and testify 420 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: in front of a grand jury if you haven't done 421 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: anything wrong. How do they know anything? I mean that, Joe, 422 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: why do they need to come and talk to a 423 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: grand jury? Because they're fighting. They're saying, we want to 424 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: know why you want us. I don't think you're allowed 425 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: to do that, are you? 426 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: No? No? I mean, well, look, you can attempt to 427 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: do anything you want to. People can attempt to be 428 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: a good person. They can attempt to obscure the truth. 429 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: But when those police officers opened that storage area infamously 430 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 2: known now as the front, they saw something in there 431 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: that probably even by their standards, shocked them. Once they 432 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: opened that back. You know, Dave, as we're laying this down, 433 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: you know, we've we've got the guphere Guthrie case going 434 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: on and talking about the how it was handled and 435 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: the release of the scene and all these sorts of things. 436 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, we just laid down two 437 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: new episodes that have recently premiered. I find it very 438 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: interesting and in this writ that when writing this thing, 439 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: they were very specific in talking about the gloved hands 440 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: of the investigators out out at the scene of this, 441 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: which I was. I was fascinated by it, and you 442 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: had made mention of it, I think earlier in a 443 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: conversation we had had off air Dave. Not only did 444 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: they mention that that their investigators out there had warn gloves, 445 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: they mentioned something about the color of the gloves even didn't. 446 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: They Has that ever even been mentioned in anything you've 447 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: read before in a legal document? 448 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: No, And and listen, you know, as a as a 449 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: forensics guy, I've worn a multitude of colors of gloves. 450 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: I have had black as these are referred to as 451 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: did you know when when I used to work in 452 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: a morgue on a daily basis? You know what I 453 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: wore in there, go guys, the gloves that I wore. 454 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: They weren't surgical gloves. 455 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: I wore. 456 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: I wore yellow platext gloves like you see. You know 457 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: that people wear to wash wash dishes with and because 458 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: they were thick and you cut yourself or you cut 459 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: those gloves during autopsies regularly, so I would put on 460 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: regular surgical pair of gloves and I throw the yellow 461 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: gloves on over the top. And another interesting little aside. 462 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: I was in that first generation of people that we 463 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: had to do autopsies on people that well we suspected. 464 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: I treated everybody like they had full blown aids when 465 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 2: they would oh yeahs at the height and dave they 466 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: had created I'll never forget this. They had created these 467 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: mesh gloves. And when I say mesh, I'm not talking 468 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: about nylon. I'm talking about these were metal mesh gloves 469 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: that people would wear and they were supposed to prevent 470 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: needlesticks and scalpel cut. 471 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: The Fourth Musketeer had some of those. 472 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I got let me tell you what 473 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: I had after I wore those, Man, I got such 474 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: a pump on my forearms at the end of the day. 475 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: If you do five or six autopsies with these things on, 476 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: and don't don't ask me to quote the weight, but 477 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: you can you can feel it. And you know, one 478 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: of the things that you have to do in this environment, 479 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: your your your tactile ability is crucial because you have 480 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: to You couldn't feel anything through these damn things. 481 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: It was horrible. 482 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: So I just it's like, I'm not wearing these anymore now. 483 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: I ceased wearing them anyway. So yeah, I've one worn 484 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: all kinds of colors of gloves, I think. 485 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: So why would they mention that these gloves are black? 486 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, And that's there's. 487 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: Not a legitimate minute, there's not a real reason. They 488 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: just did it. 489 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know, here's the thing. Uh, In my cadaver 490 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: lab at at jack State, where I'm regularly doing dissections 491 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: on human remains, I wear blue glae gloves minor blue. 492 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: That's the ones that I wear, the exam gloves I wear. 493 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: But my colleagues that are going out to work scenes 494 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: are wearing black. They wear black ones. I've seen people 495 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: wear clear gloves. I've seen people wear surgical gloves. So 496 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: it's just it's interesting that they would just write that down. 497 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: I think that they really wanted to emphasize this is 498 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: my thought, Okay, my ten cents for whatever it's worth. 499 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: I think not only did they want to emphasize see continuity, 500 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, going back to you know I made mentioned 501 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: about Guthrie just a moment ago. Yeah, they wanted to 502 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: at least communicate to whoever was going to read this 503 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: writ that they were taking specific precautions when they went 504 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: out there. Why is that Well, a lot of it 505 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: has to do with obviously transfer transfer evidence, and you're 506 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: gonna be specific. Hey, boys, not only were wearing rubber gloves, 507 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna wear black rubber gloves. Okay, And maybe I 508 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: don't know that, might hey listen, that could be in 509 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: their standard sop. We don't. For whatever, It's amazing what 510 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: organizations will do. And I know people out there have 511 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: sat around and they've read things before in their sop. 512 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: When the boss comes and tells you something, to say, what, 513 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: why is this necessary to be this this specific about 514 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: this there's a reason. I haven't put my finger on it. 515 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: But they're emphasizing the fact that they're wearing gloves. But 516 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: that aside. They made note of going into rather granular 517 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: detail that there were insects all over the outside of 518 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: what they're terming. And this is the authorities because they're writing, 519 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: they're the they're the genesis for this report. They're writing 520 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: that there was insect activity on the outside of. 521 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: This cadaver back Dave. Where does that tell you? 522 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: Well, it tells me that you've at least got one 523 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: generation of flies that's in dwelling there, and that God, 524 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: this is going to sound really cold, but this is reality. Okay. 525 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: The smell, the smell of human decay is like ringing 526 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 2: the dinner bell for the insect world, and they smell 527 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: on a spectrum that none of us can even fathom, Okay, 528 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: kind of like dogs do, but only I think it's 529 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: probably a bit more intense because that's how they live 530 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 2: their life. You know, they lived their life in order 531 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: to eat, mate and make babies. And that's it. You know. 532 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: I sound like Richard Dreyfus and Jaws, where he's talking about, 533 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 2: you know, the perfect, perfect killing machine, you know, eat 534 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: and make baby sharks, and that's that's what they do. 535 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 2: But that's what flies do, okay, and other insects that 536 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: are associated with this, and that smell, that smell is ringing, 537 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: ringing the dinner bell. I'm just really wondering how long 538 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: had the smell been present, And I don't know that 539 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: that will at this point in time that we can 540 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: necessarily hone in on this because I've held from the 541 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: beginning that I felt as though that the decomposition the 542 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: postmarum interval may have been skewed in some way or 543 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 2: retarded in the sense that it's not on a normal course. 544 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: Like if you took a body and just laid it outside, okay, 545 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 2: and you didn't touch it, you know, like they do 546 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: with the body farm. This is something different. You've got 547 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: It would seem at least that you've got multiple people 548 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: handling these remains, or at least one and so, and 549 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: they're moving them from various environments. We know for a 550 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 2: fact that they're moving this car around correct. 551 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: And that was documented. You know, that's the whole thing. 552 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: Like when you document the last time the vehicle moved 553 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: and you've got July thirtieth, Yeah, then, and you know 554 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: that it wasn't moved after and you've got video pictures 555 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: of it the entire time from there on out, and 556 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: you see that no one approaches the car and nobody 557 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: gets in the car, and nothing is added to or 558 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: taken out of the car from July thirtieth until it's toad. 559 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: So you've got that documentation there for four weeks. And 560 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: that's why I was wondering, Joe, if there is a 561 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: body in a cadaver bag, I would have thought that 562 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: that bag would be sealed up and would not allow 563 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: the smell to go out. Okay, but there's more than 564 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: just the cadaverage bag here, because there's another bag and 565 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: it's not called the cadaver. 566 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 2: The cadaver bag. 567 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: Tell me what's in that one? 568 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: Well, we've got the remainder of the of the body 569 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 2: in there. 570 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: What do we have in We got cadaver bag and 571 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: then secondary bag. But their body has been cut up. 572 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the body. The body has been cut up, and 573 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 2: there was there's been a lot of talk about this 574 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 2: as to well, I think firstly, where was it cut up? 575 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: That's more important to me than how it was found, 576 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: because we have to well I don't have to do anything. 577 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 2: The police have to identify the specific location, and i'll 578 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: call it this now, the specific location of the dismemberment. Well, 579 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: you know at the head of the list here, Okay, 580 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: it's going to be this residence, Okay, it it. I 581 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 2: can't imagine that it would have been done somewhere else. 582 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: It seems rather cumbersome because this is your your central 583 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: gathering point. It's also where the domestic life goes on. 584 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 2: You're sleeping there, you're eating there, you're doing whatever it 585 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 2: is that you do there, and you've got you've got 586 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 2: tom and you've got protection. You know you can you 587 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: can dismember a body, say, for instance, in a protected space. 588 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm thinking garage, bathroom. Okay, no one's going to be 589 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 2: the wiser, and no one's watching you unless Joe, Yeah. 590 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: An amateur ye taking a part of body. You and 591 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: I have talked about this many times about what actually 592 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: transpires when you do this with a body that is 593 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: filled with blood and everything else. And I would just 594 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: have to think that unless you're a professional with professional 595 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: tools and professional ground cloth, wallcloth and the ceiling cloth, 596 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: without all that, there's going to be a way that 597 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to come into that house and I'm going 598 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: to be able to tell where you did it and 599 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: when you did it, just because of the remains of 600 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: the blood that there was no way you could have 601 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: cleaned up that and tissue, hair, all the other things 602 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: that are part that make up our human body. You know, 603 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: that's got to go somewhere and it doesn't all end 604 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: up down a drain. 605 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Dave, on the ends of these bones. 606 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 2: So even though and this is my I'm speculating here. 607 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 2: Even though you know these bones are still encapsulated, I 608 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: would think in soft tissue, the bone is going to 609 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 2: be sticking out. Now, let me tell you what I 610 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 2: think they probably did at autopsy, or at least it's 611 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 2: what it's what I would have done. Okay, first off, 612 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 2: photographing thoroughly. Okay, everything, I mean, just the photography alone 613 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: back at the Morgue would take a protracted period of 614 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: time with them without scale. I am I am going 615 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: to take Let's just say, if you've got a severed leg, 616 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to take that leg and where it has 617 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: been severed. Okay, let's just say, and I don't know 618 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 2: this for a fact, I'm just throwing this out there. 619 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: Let's just say it's at the top end of the femur. Okay, 620 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: longest bone in the body. I am going to isolate 621 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 2: that area, trim away all of the soft tissue, and 622 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm keeping that bone. I am keeping that bone. And 623 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: the reason I'm going to keep that bone is that 624 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 2: when I get it prepped, I want the folks at 625 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 2: the tool Mark section with La County the criminalist over there. 626 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 2: I want them to take a look at it, and 627 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 2: when they examine the sing not just grossly, which means 628 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: with the unaided eye, but when they put this thing 629 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 2: on a scope, and it might just be like a 630 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: magnification scope. You wouldn't need anything high mag with this. 631 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 2: They're going to be able to see marks on that bone, 632 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 2: brother Dave. And when they see the marks on that bone, 633 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 2: those people are so good. And two more people are 634 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 2: some of the coolest people in the world. You talk 635 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: about paying attention to detail or like watchmakers. All right, 636 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: they will be able to look at those triations on 637 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 2: that bone and they will say, Okay, I got three 638 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: potential tools that were used here. I can tell you 639 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: what it ain't. This is what you're going to be 640 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 2: looking for. So are we talking about something that's like 641 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: a spinning saw, you know, like a table saw or 642 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 2: skill saw, or we talking something that's kind of like 643 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 2: a pump jack. If you're talking about a sawsaw that's 644 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 2: going up and down, up and down, almost like the 645 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 2: needle on a sewing machine, is it mechanically driven or 646 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 2: is it human powered? And that looks completely different. Okay, 647 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: you can tell when something's been machined as opposed to 648 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 2: somebody using a hand tool. It's glaring to these people. 649 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 2: So this is going to be a big part of 650 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 2: this evidence, I think, and we go back to what 651 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 2: we know about these remains, Dave, you know what I 652 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: think is going to be one of the most damning 653 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: pieces of evidence in this whole thing, this whole thing. 654 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 2: If he is involved, or any of his friends are involved, 655 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 2: they don't trim hedges, they don't plant gardens, they entertain people. 656 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: They did not show up. I cannot imagine in any 657 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 2: circumstance with a whole array of tools. They will have 658 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 2: had to have purchased these tools. And we're going to 659 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: see a timeline that's going to be developed per this. 660 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 2: If you ordered something online like a handsaw, hack saw, 661 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 2: skill saw, it doesn't matter. That's going to be in 662 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 2: the queue. If you ordered a cadaver bag, that's going 663 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: to be in the queue. 664 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: Shee whiz. 665 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: You order a burncage, yeah, that's definitely going to be 666 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 2: in the queue. Hey a brand new chainsaw, Yeah, Hey, 667 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,879 Speaker 2: that's in the queue too. Now, I'm not saying that 668 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 2: all of that damns anybody, but for my money, I 669 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 2: can tell you this as an old forensic investigator, it 670 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 2: certainly will give me pause. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 671 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 2: this is bodybacks. Mm hmm