Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and TDC Media. There was this big scandal where
Speaker 1: I can't sing and all this stuff, and it forced
Speaker 1: me to write my best song yet. Congratulations to Gabby Hannah.
Speaker 1: He ended up hitting number one and two at the
Speaker 1: top of US iTunes music. It doesn't sound like a
Speaker 1: real story. People always say to me, like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: no way this stuff happens to I thought it was,
Speaker 1: but I instantly lost fifteen thousand subscribers within an hour
Speaker 1: or so. Nobody liked. Really, I wonder why the term influencer.
Speaker 1: You clearly that I do too, and so I created
Speaker 1: a show called The Influence. So you you are considered
Speaker 1: an influencer. How do you feel being put in that?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you have so many talents. I guess
Speaker 1: to me, the word just sounds kind of weird, But
Speaker 1: it just comes down to semantics and whatever. If you
Speaker 1: want to call me that, that's fine. But when you
Speaker 1: put it into perspective of what it actually means is
Speaker 1: somebody who influence, it's as people. It's kind of scary
Speaker 1: because I never looked at myself as somebody who's like
Speaker 1: I'm going to influence the youth of our generation, and
Speaker 1: that is terrifying, because I'm not that persons should be
Speaker 1: Probably well, I mean, you have six point five a
Speaker 1: million subscribers if not more, on YouTube, and then you
Speaker 1: have almost four million followers. I did have four million
Speaker 1: at one point, and then Instagram did their sweep and
Speaker 1: then I was a meme and then I lost the
Speaker 1: bunch and then it still so six point five million
Speaker 1: subscribers on YouTube, almost four million on Instagram. You have influence,
Speaker 1: So it's a huge responsibility. You have a lot of
Speaker 1: people checking up on you every day. Some people are
Speaker 1: die hard fans. Some people, as we were discussing right
Speaker 1: before the interview, are probably just looking to see when
Speaker 1: they can just swoop in and cause some problems. Yeah. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: but also if there's somebody who cares enough about me
Speaker 1: to follow me because they hate me and they want
Speaker 1: to see if I'm going to say or do something dumb,
Speaker 1: then I mean there's still a fan. Actually, you probably
Speaker 1: have way more than six point five million subscribers, because
Speaker 1: you know, people watched the videos and just don't subscribe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually thought about that the other day because I
Speaker 1: was trying to think about how many people in the
Speaker 1: world don't know me yet, because obviously it's a massive
Speaker 1: number of people who don't know me. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, well, six point five, probably only about one
Speaker 1: time percent of people who have seen me subscribe. So
Speaker 1: that's scary too to think about how many people have
Speaker 1: seen you in passing. And that's not even including like
Speaker 1: uploaded content that Facebook pages have taken my compilations and
Speaker 1: put them, and those have a hundred million views. And
Speaker 1: that's just people that have no idea who I. It's
Speaker 1: crazy to think about. Yeah, and scary, weird and gross.
Speaker 1: So on the topic of scary you of all these
Speaker 1: people with their eyeballs on you, have you ever had
Speaker 1: a situation that is actually been scary with a fan? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I actually currently have a stalker, which I guess I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say too much about because Ascerbaby, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to show up. I can't believe you started this whole podcast.
Speaker 1: This is unreal. I've never been in a situation. No,
Speaker 1: I actually have been in a situation where I felt
Speaker 1: really actually scared and I had to get um a
Speaker 1: security guard to follow me around while I was in
Speaker 1: New York. It was the first time I was in
Speaker 1: New York for MTV, and there was somebody, can we
Speaker 1: swear on here? What's the I think we can? Let
Speaker 1: me get some clear because he was saying some really
Speaker 1: vulgar stuff, saying like, next time you're in New York,
Speaker 1: you better beef up your security because you will be
Speaker 1: dead next time I see you, and then talking about
Speaker 1: like burying up my dead grandma and like fucking her skull,
Speaker 1: and like like killing and raping my baby sister. Like
Speaker 1: it was dark, and this was right after the Vegas shootings,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: in Times Square and this guy is telling many to
Speaker 1: beef up my security and he's gonna kill me and
Speaker 1: he's clearly very angry. So that was really scary. Like
Speaker 1: walking around in New York that weekend, I had my
Speaker 1: eyes peeled. And then my phone got hacked that same weekend,
Speaker 1: like drastically hacked, like they stole my phone number, put
Speaker 1: their SIM card on their phone, so I lost my
Speaker 1: phone number. So they were getting all my two step
Speaker 1: verifications and I was like, is this the same guy?
Speaker 1: Is this the attack guy? No, it was just very
Speaker 1: harmless hacker. So everyone always puts digital personalities in one box,
Speaker 1: and then traditional celebrities like a Tom Cruise in a
Speaker 1: different box. You guys probably have I mean you definitely
Speaker 1: do their statistics, have more fans than a lot of
Speaker 1: these traditional celebrities. And also there's this other layer of people.
Speaker 1: They have more access to you guys because a lot
Speaker 1: of you, especially you, you're very real on there. You
Speaker 1: let people into your real lives. So now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, if you do have a sick grandma, or
Speaker 1: you have like a little brother or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: they know their names, they know Yeah, they're very invested. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they know details that maybe you wouldn't know about,
Speaker 1: you know, a Naomi Watts or something like that, who
Speaker 1: chooses to put nothing out there. Do you have to
Speaker 1: guard and shield certain elements of your life just to
Speaker 1: protect your family? Absolutely. A lot of people ask me
Speaker 1: because I kind of allude a lot to some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I write about with my childhood and
Speaker 1: my parents and my relationship with my family, and people
Speaker 1: really want details, like what happened to you. I'm open
Speaker 1: about my mental illness and see PTSD and anxiety and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so people want to know, like, what
Speaker 1: is your PTSD? From and it's like I can't share
Speaker 1: that much. I would, but it's not just my story.
Speaker 1: So people need to realize that people in my life
Speaker 1: aren't just an extension of me. They are their own person,
Speaker 1: and other people share that story with me. So I
Speaker 1: can't tell my story without also exposing the personal lives
Speaker 1: of my siblings and my family and my aunts and
Speaker 1: my uncle's and that's not fair to them. And then
Speaker 1: also if I'm dating somebody, I'm very very careful to
Speaker 1: keep it under wraps because if something goes wrong, I
Speaker 1: don't want them to get hate. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to deal with a breakup publicly, so very personal
Speaker 1: things I keep to myself. But if it has to
Speaker 1: do with me and me only, I'm pretty open about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I noticed on your Instagram, and I think this is
Speaker 1: a smart business move. It's a lot of you unless about,
Speaker 1: oh I'm hanging out this person at this time and
Speaker 1: here I am with whoever, And that's probably a part
Speaker 1: of your safety measure and just like protecting the people
Speaker 1: in your life because they didn't sign up for this, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And a lot of them are cool with it, like
Speaker 1: my friend Irene and my friend Taylor my very best friends.
Speaker 1: I'll post as far as posting, like when I'm hanging
Speaker 1: out with other YouTubers or celebrities, I never post that
Speaker 1: because I don't want that to be oh, that's the
Speaker 1: girl who is hanging out with that person, or I
Speaker 1: like to keep my relationships authentic too. So when you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with other influencers or YouTubers and then it
Speaker 1: becomes a thing about posting about hanging out with each other,
Speaker 1: that's when you start to lose sight of is this
Speaker 1: person my friend or is this just a business transaction.
Speaker 1: So I actually have a lot of really close friends
Speaker 1: in the YouTube world because we understand each other in
Speaker 1: a way that nobody else can. I'm just not posting
Speaker 1: about it, so people think that I'm not hanging out
Speaker 1: with these people, but I am. You see distinct groups
Speaker 1: that always collaborate with each other and some people that
Speaker 1: always do. As you said, you do have a lot
Speaker 1: in common with the people that are doing the same
Speaker 1: thing as you. But is it hard to say we're
Speaker 1: just friends right now because we're collaborating and we're helping
Speaker 1: each other grow or is this a real friendship? Has
Speaker 1: there ever been a gray area for you where it's
Speaker 1: been kind of tricky for sure, especially when you kind
Speaker 1: of bring each other up or you kind of met
Speaker 1: on that foundation. It is for me personally, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it is for everybody. But then I've also
Speaker 1: seen a lot of situations where I've heard one person
Speaker 1: say like, oh, this is my best friend, and then
Speaker 1: that person goes, no, we just work together. My mental
Speaker 1: state isn't strong enough for that. With my feelings of
Speaker 1: like connections and rejection and love and stuff. I just
Speaker 1: need to But I'm sure other people can handle it,
Speaker 1: just mine, and some people are okay with just hanging
Speaker 1: out for business reasons. It's just whatever you can handle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. And do you notice there's a clickiness in
Speaker 1: the YouTube space. Yeah, because as you know, I've worked
Speaker 1: on YouTube platforms. I don't know if you've heard of
Speaker 1: Clever teav but like where I got my start, we're
Speaker 1: working as a network, but we're not individuals trying to
Speaker 1: get more followers and get more views. And you can
Speaker 1: hear all these stories about you know, people that were
Speaker 1: once friends and then this person got more followers and
Speaker 1: then there was jealousy, and there's like all this random
Speaker 1: stuff that happens. It seems like clicks are always shifting,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, I'll be the first to say that.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I definitely dealt with that too, because
Speaker 1: it's so hard when say, like you're the person everyone's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I want to be that person's friend,
Speaker 1: and then they start to get bigger than you. Of
Speaker 1: course you're going to feel some type of jealousy until
Speaker 1: you learn how to check yourself and balance that, and
Speaker 1: then of course you're happy for your friends, but then
Speaker 1: there's like, oh, well, they got that brand deal over me,
Speaker 1: or YouTube is recommending them over me now. And that's
Speaker 1: why I like to keep it separate, because I found
Speaker 1: myself getting jealous of people and resenting helping and just
Speaker 1: it's an ugly place to be. And I was an
Speaker 1: ugly person at that time. It's like four or five
Speaker 1: years ago. But I see a lot of people now
Speaker 1: not being able to check themselves and recognize themselves and
Speaker 1: then trying to bury each other because of those things.
Speaker 1: It honestly is so scary, And that's why I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to get more into music and other projects because
Speaker 1: YouTube causes me so much anxiety. Me too and I'm
Speaker 1: not even a YouTube I go on YouTube and it's
Speaker 1: my response to so and so, and I'm just, oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so stressed out. I think the thing that is
Speaker 1: the worst about YouTube now and just the culture in general,
Speaker 1: is I've never in my life saying so many people
Speaker 1: celebrate the destruction downfall of people, whether you think somebody
Speaker 1: did something awful or not. When I see people doing
Speaker 1: live streams of people losing subscribers and making memes of
Speaker 1: everybody's celebrating that people are losing subscribers, It's like, this
Speaker 1: is somebody's life. This is somebody's career. Whether you're fifty
Speaker 1: in thirty fifty, I don't know how whatever the rest
Speaker 1: of your life, this is going to follow them. And
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody deserves the amount of hate from
Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of people. And no matter
Speaker 1: what you call it, it is bullying. Whether you think
Speaker 1: that person deserves what they're getting or not, then sit
Speaker 1: back and say, you know what this person deserves. To
Speaker 1: lose their subscribers, fine, but to get online and make
Speaker 1: videos putting their faces a thumbnail, putting memes next to them,
Speaker 1: making full videos saying how they're a horrible person and
Speaker 1: like laughing and showing their social blady. It's disgusting and
Speaker 1: I just can't, like, I just can't get behind it.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just me, but I just wish that
Speaker 1: the world was a little bit more compassionate for people,
Speaker 1: even people that they believe deserve punishment. It makes me
Speaker 1: sad because I remember when YouTube was first popping off
Speaker 1: ten years ago. This was not a part of the
Speaker 1: culture at all. It was very much about bringing each
Speaker 1: other up exactly. It's all about collaborations, and YouTube just
Speaker 1: felt like a happy space it was, and now it
Speaker 1: kind of feels petty and juvenile and toxic in toxic
Speaker 1: and it makes me really sad because I think the
Speaker 1: focus has gone away from creating really good content. Two
Speaker 1: years ago it became about stupid prank clickbait, and now
Speaker 1: it's just gotten to a point where it's just mean
Speaker 1: and bullying. Yeah, the content that gets shared is the
Speaker 1: stuff that's making fun of people, Like whenever the whole
Speaker 1: monster meme thing happened, where everybody was just making fun
Speaker 1: of me because of a clip in one interview, which
Speaker 1: was explained very like but there was a logical explanation
Speaker 1: for exactly everything that happened. But regardless of whether or
Speaker 1: not I hit the note, I didn't hit the note,
Speaker 1: I can sing, I can't sing whatever. There were these
Speaker 1: channels who are making videos who are like get a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand views of video maybe, and they were making
Speaker 1: these hate videos about me where they're saying I just
Speaker 1: can't sing and then making up musical terms that don't exist.
Speaker 1: And then those videos are getting three million views on
Speaker 1: this channel that gets not that many views. So then
Speaker 1: that gets shared over and over and over and everybody's
Speaker 1: rallying in that. But then the same people once I
Speaker 1: put out medicaid, we're making videos being like this song
Speaker 1: is amazing, like I think she's an actual artist and
Speaker 1: she really found her voice, and those have a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand views. Again, so no, but he cares if somebody's
Speaker 1: doing great. Nobody cares if somebody's succeeding or creating something beautiful.
Speaker 1: They just want to join in on hating. And I
Speaker 1: don't know where that came from. It's a toxic mentality,
Speaker 1: but I think people like to see people who have
Speaker 1: it all have a bad day, and I think people
Speaker 1: thrive off of watching a train wreck. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. It's not even just watching a train
Speaker 1: wreck at this point though, it's celebrating a train wreck.
Speaker 1: That's what's so scary. It's really really scary. And those
Speaker 1: people who are posting those videos are getting celebrated for it.
Speaker 1: So what are they going to do? They're going to
Speaker 1: continue to find things Exactly why do you think that happened?
Speaker 1: Like it feels like a trend that's very new. I
Speaker 1: think so too, And that's what I've been trying to
Speaker 1: figure out because I don't know if it's just like
Speaker 1: who I am as a person. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see anybody upset, whether you fucked up really bad or not.
Speaker 1: Like when James Charles, like even when everything looked the
Speaker 1: worse for him, when I was like watching him be destroyed,
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, if all of these allegations
Speaker 1: are true, that's horrible and he needs to be punished,
Speaker 1: and like you can remove your support, But why do
Speaker 1: you have to make a million videos about it? Why
Speaker 1: do you have to like try to rally the troops
Speaker 1: to everybody attack this person. To me, I just don't
Speaker 1: get it, Like where did it come from? I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of people who have time on their hands.
Speaker 1: So happened? You know, that's that's a definite thing. Nobody's
Speaker 1: ever really publicly aired their grievances the way that people
Speaker 1: so freely air their grievances now, because before that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not friends with this person anymore. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: stop filming with them. People are going to ask questions
Speaker 1: and that's my business. I'm going to answer it. But
Speaker 1: now it's people coming out being like, these are everything
Speaker 1: that I don't like about this person, and then people
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to take a side, and then it's
Speaker 1: a fun game because that is kind of human nature,
Speaker 1: is just to find your wolf pack and the strongest survive,
Speaker 1: and we naturally gravitate into clicks on platforms of sixteen
Speaker 1: and a half million people James had. Now there's very public,
Speaker 1: all right, what team are you on? It's so weird
Speaker 1: the way that it went on from Tati being like
Speaker 1: I need to get this off my chest to him
Speaker 1: responding to other YouTubers taking sides. I genuinely felt bad
Speaker 1: for him. I feel bad for everybody involved. So do
Speaker 1: I because the thing is I loved Totti. I think
Speaker 1: she's an amazing person. She's always been so kind to me.
Speaker 1: When I went to her launch party for Halo Beauty,
Speaker 1: she was giving her speech about her product, and she
Speaker 1: stopped her speech to be like, and I just want
Speaker 1: to talk about Gabby and her music, and I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of her, Like, this is unreal. This is your moment,
Speaker 1: this is your event, These people are here for you,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about my music. So I love Totti
Speaker 1: And I don't really have an opinion because I know
Speaker 1: there's so much information that's not out and I know
Speaker 1: there's so many feelings involved. Okay, James Charles in one
Speaker 1: day lost a million subscribers, that is one six of
Speaker 1: his audience. He lost in one day, and then he
Speaker 1: put out a video and he gained a million subscribers back.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's just like, how can you guys
Speaker 1: flip flop your opinion so either that you're literally just
Speaker 1: clicking I support he's canceled, just kidding, he's not. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, come on, at least have an opinion,
Speaker 1: don't just follow what everybody's telling you to do, because
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, is just this herd
Speaker 1: mentality of I want to do what's cool and right now.
Speaker 1: It's cool to hate James right now, it's cool to
Speaker 1: hate Totti right now, it's cool to hate Jeffrey. And
Speaker 1: it's just just support who you want and then be
Speaker 1: quiet about it. In my opinion, does that scare you?
Speaker 1: Because you've always been super authentic. You even recently changed
Speaker 1: your name so you were the Gabby Show and now
Speaker 1: you're just Gaby Hannah, which is who you are. Yes,
Speaker 1: does that scare you now? Just looking back because I
Speaker 1: know a couple of years ago, like when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I might have said stupid ship or like text message
Speaker 1: somebody stupid, and in the back of my head and
Speaker 1: I have so many eyeballs on me, I might worry
Speaker 1: is somebody gonna share a screenshot? Is somebody gonna you?
Speaker 1: Worry about that sometimes because there's definitely plenty of drunk
Speaker 1: college things that could come up or for everyone. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not worried about anything like really serious
Speaker 1: coming out because I don't think I've ever said or
Speaker 1: done anything that I'd be like, if that comes out,
Speaker 1: my career is over. But who knows. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: when it comes it will come. But um, even if
Speaker 1: something surface that I don't even know exists, I would
Speaker 1: just be like, you know what, I was a very
Speaker 1: different person and hope that people forgive me. I understand
Speaker 1: that some people won't, but I also think there's something
Speaker 1: very toxic and dangerous about pulling things up from years
Speaker 1: and years and years ago and expecting that person to
Speaker 1: still be that person, but also like demanding apologies for it.
Speaker 1: But then even if they do apologize for it, saying, well,
Speaker 1: you said it in so you still mean it. And
Speaker 1: that happened with Shane Dawson, it happens with everything, happens
Speaker 1: to happen with Kevin Hart, it happens with literally everybody,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, we've all done
Speaker 1: asshole ship. Yeah. I heard christ Liah say something. It
Speaker 1: wasn't him, but he was quoting somebody else, and it
Speaker 1: was you've already done the thing that's going to destroy you.
Speaker 1: And I think about that all the time. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't change it. Worrying just means you suffered twice,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna exactly. And I think you're in
Speaker 1: a fortunate position that your fan base is pretty loyal
Speaker 1: to you, and they have been from the beginning, would
Speaker 1: you say, Yeah, a lot of them obviously, but of
Speaker 1: course whenever it was cool and trendy to hate on me,
Speaker 1: I also lost a lot of people, and I still
Speaker 1: see a lot of ramifications from that, where like, if
Speaker 1: I upload, I'll still lose subscribers as soon as I upload,
Speaker 1: just because people are like, oh, I forgot it. I
Speaker 1: subscribed to her and then subscribe because they just remember
Speaker 1: seeing my face as a thumbnail of so many like
Speaker 1: drama and hate videos. So now to them, I'm just
Speaker 1: that person. So we've discussed James and you know, Tati,
Speaker 1: But when you're on the receiving end of it, how
Speaker 1: do you Because I'm a very sensitive person, like somebody
Speaker 1: looks at me the wrong way, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: can I do to make them like me? I just
Speaker 1: want to always. I just want positive vibes around me always.
Speaker 1: How do you not allow thatt to just ruin your day,
Speaker 1: your week, your month? How did you ruin my day,
Speaker 1: my week, my month? I was it was the hardest.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been through different situations like this, but
Speaker 1: that last one was the first time I've ever seen
Speaker 1: subscriber loss and people for people who don't know what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. The monster me. Yeah, But then it
Speaker 1: became more from that. So it started with I did
Speaker 1: an interview with genius and then they did some weird
Speaker 1: cut with the audio, and then people made it into
Speaker 1: a meme where you were singing, you have a song
Speaker 1: that I actually really like, thank you. I still love
Speaker 1: that song. I'll always love it's very much. It just
Speaker 1: got memed over and over and over and went insanely viral,
Speaker 1: which fine, I think there's funnier memes. Like there was
Speaker 1: some that were like so genuinely hilarious, and then some
Speaker 1: were just like, I'm like, how does this have this
Speaker 1: many views on abused? But um, yeah, it was fine
Speaker 1: and it was just a joke. But then once my
Speaker 1: face became clickable, then it became people starting rumors and
Speaker 1: pulling things up where I'm bullying my fans, I'm scamming
Speaker 1: my fans. I am capitalizing on mental illness for my
Speaker 1: own profit, and I don't actually care about depression. I
Speaker 1: just talk about it for money. It is scam my young,
Speaker 1: vulnerable fans. I'm just like, come on, guys, like you
Speaker 1: guys loved me. In August in August, everybody who's rallying
Speaker 1: behind me because I was the underdog who had the
Speaker 1: number one song on iTunes and number two at the
Speaker 1: same time. It was like massive, and then I got
Speaker 1: a little bit too big, and then people wanted to
Speaker 1: tear me down. So then your face is clickable, and
Speaker 1: now it's just what story can I spend with her?
Speaker 1: And I hear my name coming up in context that
Speaker 1: I don't even belong in, but they know that if
Speaker 1: they say my name, they can put it in a thumbnail.
Speaker 1: You know, on one hand, I really am that bitch, huh,
Speaker 1: But like like, on the other hand, come on, like
Speaker 1: I'm a human and let me live. But it pushed me.
Speaker 1: You know, there are YouTube or digital personalities who do
Speaker 1: use certain things to get clout or followers, and like bait,
Speaker 1: You're not one of those people. But there's a reason
Speaker 1: why people probably made up in their heads that a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff was for you to gain sympathy
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, because I'm sure there are people
Speaker 1: who do that. Yeah, it wasn't even to gain sympathy.
Speaker 1: They were saying that I was doing it just for money,
Speaker 1: and people will say everyone's doing stuff for money. And
Speaker 1: you don't seem like the type of person who's done that.
Speaker 1: I've talked about my like mental illness stuff since the
Speaker 1: beginning of my channel. Like people were saying that I
Speaker 1: was just hopping on a trend, and I'm like, just search,
Speaker 1: search my channel, That's all you have to do. And
Speaker 1: then so then how do you get past a bad
Speaker 1: day like that? So I was just thinking about James
Speaker 1: Charles waking up to that video. When you wake up
Speaker 1: and your phone's blowing up and people are saying to you,
Speaker 1: this thing is going viral. It's about you. I would
Speaker 1: have a panic attack. I mean I had many. How
Speaker 1: do you how do you one survive that and to
Speaker 1: go back to business as usual when something like that happens,
Speaker 1: because I would be super it would be discouraging for me. Well,
Speaker 1: it takes time, for sure. The thing that got me
Speaker 1: through it was I most of my best friends are
Speaker 1: outside of the Internet. So there are people who aren't
Speaker 1: Internet people, and then they kind of ground me because
Speaker 1: when you're so absorbed into the Internet, you think that's
Speaker 1: the universe. This is what everybody in the universe thinks
Speaker 1: about me. That's what the entire world thinks about me.
Speaker 1: And then my twenty eight year old yoga and structor
Speaker 1: friends are like, nobody cares. Like you're in a very community.
Speaker 1: It's a bubble where in the real world, everyone in
Speaker 1: your real life loves you. You have so many real
Speaker 1: friends who know that you're an amazing friend and a
Speaker 1: genuine person. Why do you care what these strangers on
Speaker 1: the internet are saying? Which does help, but then it's
Speaker 1: also frustrating cause I'm like, yeah, but this is also
Speaker 1: my career, and my career is my reputation. So if
Speaker 1: my reputation is that I'm a scammer or a bully
Speaker 1: or all of these other things, Like the bullying one
Speaker 1: was so insane because like, nah, because you kind of
Speaker 1: seemed like the anti bully, the one that wants to
Speaker 1: call out the bully, which is nuts because everybody in
Speaker 1: my real life, they say, what the people on the
Speaker 1: internet say about you is literally the antithesis of who
Speaker 1: you are, Like you would never do any of these things,
Speaker 1: but they're making you out to be this really manipulative
Speaker 1: person when I don't know how to be manipulative, which
Speaker 1: is probably a really manipulative thing to say, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Even the drama channels who were making videos
Speaker 1: of me that like got to know me in person,
Speaker 1: and then they even said, you are literally the opposite
Speaker 1: of what people are making you out to be. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, but if you're somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: care to get to know me or actually watch my
Speaker 1: content before you make that assumption anyway, you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to be a massive fan in the first place.
Speaker 1: So it's not really a loss. Yeah, and you probably
Speaker 1: knew that getting into the space anyway, that this it
Speaker 1: comes with it, right, it comes with the territory. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this, especially YouTube always felt like such
Speaker 1: a beautiful community to me, and now just kind of
Speaker 1: it's a little toxic. You've said in the past that
Speaker 1: you consider yourself an introvert. You're a lovely person of
Speaker 1: great energy. I mean, you walked in and we hugged.
Speaker 1: You're very cool verse, thank you. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of YouTubers are introverts. Yes, why do you think that.
Speaker 1: I actually think a lot of YouTubers become introverts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well a lot of them start off that way because
Speaker 1: I've always been shy. But it's when you start, first
Speaker 1: of all exhausting so much energy for the public in
Speaker 1: very short period of time. Like if you go on
Speaker 1: a tour and you meet, you know, six d people
Speaker 1: a day for a month straight, you stop wanting to
Speaker 1: talk to people because that's what you do for a living.
Speaker 1: But also you start getting a little paranoid. Like if
Speaker 1: you're out in public and I'm at a bar and
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of my audience is over
Speaker 1: twenty one, so I know that there could be people watching, right,
Speaker 1: and then just fearing judgment, and then just having been
Speaker 1: attacked so many times, you start to feel more insecure
Speaker 1: and you start kind of hiding within yourself. I've always
Speaker 1: been shy, but I definitely got more shy and introverted
Speaker 1: after the Internet. That's the thing about judging people online
Speaker 1: two is you're just seeing these snippets of essentially a
Speaker 1: character that you're putting off. Because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if I sat and did full length YouTube
Speaker 1: videos at my regular energy level, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of people would like it, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: not the amount of people who are like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is an interesting charismatic person, because once you get to
Speaker 1: know me, it's fun to sit and watch me be
Speaker 1: chill like That's what my Patreon is is me just
Speaker 1: talking very normally to them like this. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to get people to remember you, you can't just be
Speaker 1: a chill person that takes us to the Gabby Show.
Speaker 1: You've been the Gabby Show since the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: I've been the Gabby Show since my sophomore year of college.
Speaker 1: So you've been the Gabby Show and now the shows
Speaker 1: over shows over. I changed it on my YouTube channel
Speaker 1: when I started doing music and my book because I
Speaker 1: wanted everything to be branded the same. But then I
Speaker 1: really went in and changed my handles and stuff. It
Speaker 1: was just because I didn't want to be associated with
Speaker 1: the person on vine who is very just over the
Speaker 1: top and a character and was saying things for shock
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just felt like I changed
Speaker 1: so much as not only a creator, but as a person,
Speaker 1: and that era of my life of just wanting so
Speaker 1: desperately to get followers and I wanted people to see
Speaker 1: me and I wanted to make money, and it just
Speaker 1: that was a show. It wasn't who I am, And
Speaker 1: maybe it was at the time, but now you're so young.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a person, you're evolving naturally, and so
Speaker 1: your career is going to evolve, and who you are
Speaker 1: as a personality online should evolve with the person who
Speaker 1: you are in real life, right, And that person just
Speaker 1: had a lot of walls up and defenses and was
Speaker 1: very aggressive and angry, and I'm just not anymore. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of close that chapter and
Speaker 1: be me as an artist. And I also want people
Speaker 1: to recognize me when they go to my pages. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Gabby Handed the artist, not the Gabby Show.
Speaker 1: Isn't that girlfriend? Vine? And what would you say contributed
Speaker 1: to that evolution for you? Because a lot of people
Speaker 1: have a hard time evolving, so they'll stay in this
Speaker 1: box that they may have been in five years ago.
Speaker 1: You've done a really good job of growing and having
Speaker 1: your fans grow with you. And now, as you said,
Speaker 1: you're growing into an artist and nobody's really pissed about it.
Speaker 1: But he's like, no, go back to being Gabby Show.
Speaker 1: Like people are supporting the move. Yeah, thank god. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly because of all of the really intense,
Speaker 1: very public situations that I've been in that kind of
Speaker 1: forced me to grow, you know, like you can't just
Speaker 1: kind of barrel through life, being this egocentric, narcissistic person
Speaker 1: who always gets their way. And it's like, sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel as if the universe knows that I'm smart enough
Speaker 1: to understand the messages it's giving me, so it gives
Speaker 1: me extra messages. So if I get a little bit
Speaker 1: too big, the universe knocks me down and says, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're too smart for that, and then it gives me
Speaker 1: these signs, and I just follow the signs of whenever
Speaker 1: something big happens to change, like whenever the whole monster
Speaker 1: thing happened, I knew that that was the universe giving
Speaker 1: me a sign that I needed. I don't belong in
Speaker 1: YouTube anymore. This isn't my platform, this isn't where I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And I was still doing really really
Speaker 1: well and growing very quickly on YouTube. So the universe said, stop,
Speaker 1: why aren't you writing music? And why aren't you writing
Speaker 1: the music supposed to be writing. So there was this
Speaker 1: big scandal where I can't sing and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it forced me to write my best song yet
Speaker 1: at the time, which was Medicaid, which was very like
Speaker 1: respected and a lot of people in the community talked
Speaker 1: about it as if like this, she's a real artist. Now.
Speaker 1: That's when people said that, and that song would have
Speaker 1: never happened if I wouldn't have been too hurt by
Speaker 1: YouTube to even open the app. I couldn't even open
Speaker 1: it because it was so painful. So I wrote. And
Speaker 1: then after I put that out, I said, why the
Speaker 1: funk am I not writing music? And then I wrote
Speaker 1: a Holy PI and now Here we Are? I wrote
Speaker 1: an entire ep? Did you do this all on your own?
Speaker 1: Like the writing part, because a lot of people have
Speaker 1: ghost writers. Obviously, No, I write my own music. I
Speaker 1: can't um imagine singing somebody else's songs. I think some
Speaker 1: people are singers, and I'm not the best singer, but
Speaker 1: I'm a really good writer. I listened to a few
Speaker 1: of your songs. You feel what you're saying, and you
Speaker 1: know it's coming from Gabby, thank you, And I don't
Speaker 1: think I could do that if they weren't mine. And
Speaker 1: that translates, is this an industry that scares you a
Speaker 1: bit us going into it? And how did you get
Speaker 1: over that fear? Because you've you've done the YouTube thing,
Speaker 1: You've dominated. I don't think you're gonna abandon. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like you are, but it seems like music is
Speaker 1: your calling in your path. Everyone who represents you, people
Speaker 1: who make money off of your YouTube videos, how are
Speaker 1: they real? Does? I don't have management everything myself? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is not that I love. It's hard what wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, we need you have no reps? So this
Speaker 1: is just Gabby wheeling and dealing. I am with CIA
Speaker 1: and I have a manager who like lives in New York.
Speaker 1: But it's sort of on a like like my MTV deal.
Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't navigate that myself, but all of
Speaker 1: my digital is me. That's amazing. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go through a million approvals to put a video. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I need to. I need to for sure, Like
Speaker 1: I need to get to that place because I'm at
Speaker 1: point where I'm exhausted and I can't keep negotiating brand
Speaker 1: deals on my own. Behalf. This's gonna sound awful, but
Speaker 1: I need somebody to do my job better than I can,
Speaker 1: and I just haven't found it yet. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: really good at my job. I don't think you'll have
Speaker 1: a hard time finding people who want that job. It's
Speaker 1: just a potter of who will be great. A lot
Speaker 1: of times, just with social influencers, is they see it
Speaker 1: as a dollar sign where they kind of want to
Speaker 1: step in and they go, we know that she makes
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and we're gonna come in and
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a cut, and we're not going to
Speaker 1: work for her. So I'm very upfront in the beginning
Speaker 1: where I say, you're not getting get cut of my
Speaker 1: own relationships, you're not going to get cut of my channel,
Speaker 1: bring me brand deals, and you can get a massive
Speaker 1: chunk of that, But if you didn't find it, if
Speaker 1: you didn't negotiate it, if you didn't work for it,
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to pay you out of everything
Speaker 1: that I made because I've been building this platform in
Speaker 1: my own for five years exactly. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people right away are just like, well, I'm not cool
Speaker 1: with that. I'm like, okay, well that never made sense
Speaker 1: to me how people just want to swoop in once
Speaker 1: the deal is already there. But it's like, but I
Speaker 1: needed you to get the deal. It's a very new
Speaker 1: platform because the difference between you know, mainstream celebrities and influencers,
Speaker 1: for the most part, is mainstream celebrities got there because
Speaker 1: other people got them there, and influencers got it themselves,
Speaker 1: so there there hasn't been a way to navig it.
Speaker 1: Yeah where it's okay, we're gonna work with these people,
Speaker 1: but obviously we didn't get him here, so we don't
Speaker 1: get the everything that makes sense. That wasn't a sentence.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I totally get what you're saying. A
Speaker 1: lot of people want to swoop it once you're already
Speaker 1: blown up and get a chunk of all the things,
Speaker 1: but they don't make the connection that those things wouldn't
Speaker 1: exist had the brand not been building for five years,
Speaker 1: six years, however long you've been doing it. How do
Speaker 1: you decide what brands you're in line with? Are you
Speaker 1: super picky? With super super picky? I get a lot
Speaker 1: of offers for like the Detox, He's the lollipops, anything
Speaker 1: really that has to do with weight loss and health.
Speaker 1: I try to steer away from unless it's something like
Speaker 1: I love drinking Hint water, for example. It's just a
Speaker 1: carbonated water that's naturally flavored. There's no calories, there's no preservatives,
Speaker 1: there's no added things. So that's something that I'd be
Speaker 1: comfortable promoting because it's something I drink regularly and it's
Speaker 1: not going to harm you in any way. Detox tas, lollipops,
Speaker 1: appetite suppressants, programs. I'm not really into anything like that.
Speaker 1: You've always been somebody who promotes like being happy with
Speaker 1: the body you've got and not trying to conform any
Speaker 1: type of So I don't even think that's even in
Speaker 1: even if it was like the most non harmful thing,
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's in line, because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of influencers would do something that they didn't know. Yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the reason the whole James Charles
Speaker 1: problem occurred. That that is true. Yeah, that is very true.
Speaker 1: In his defense on that he did do the sleeping vitamins, however,
Speaker 1: like not the heritage skin of nails. However, I didn't
Speaker 1: like that he was promoting sleeping vitamins for anxiety to children.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was cool. I don't find with vitamins.
Speaker 1: There's really not anything that shows that vitamins are going
Speaker 1: to hurt you. But melatonin I don't consider a vitamin.
Speaker 1: I actually take melotonin sparingly, like if I really can't
Speaker 1: relax and I really need to get to sleep. I'll
Speaker 1: take melotonin, but I wouldn't promote it to my followers
Speaker 1: as like an anxiety at night. So I've been taking
Speaker 1: these gummies every night because that is dangerous because you
Speaker 1: need to be really careful with meltonin because your body
Speaker 1: can all her drastically, like your brain chemistry can alter
Speaker 1: on Melotona and so interesting learning lots over here. You're like,
Speaker 1: I really look into that stuff. I got to the
Speaker 1: point and I take it sparingly where one gummy wasn't
Speaker 1: doing anything for me anymore, and the person who recommended
Speaker 1: them to be said, oh, well take two, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, that sounds like a dangerous slope. And
Speaker 1: then it's like the bottles gone every night. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's definitely dangerous and yeah, and it goes back to
Speaker 1: you having a responsibility because you do have young followers,
Speaker 1: so you have to be really picking and choosy with
Speaker 1: with the brands that you Yeah, I've turned out a lot.
Speaker 1: That's what got me a lot when people were saying
Speaker 1: that I promoted a scam product just for money and
Speaker 1: I don't care about my followers, because it's like I
Speaker 1: turned down so many brands and if I thought that
Speaker 1: it was a scam or I thought that it wasn't
Speaker 1: worthy of whatever I'm out you were spending on it.
Speaker 1: I genuinely would not promote it. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I genuinely give a fuck. So then I did
Speaker 1: a video get Ready with me of doing my makeup
Speaker 1: with all of the products I've said no to, and
Speaker 1: then in and I've also brought in a waste trainer
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't promote. I brought in all the tease
Speaker 1: that I didn't promote. I brought in all the products
Speaker 1: I thought it was. But I instantly lost fifteen subscribers
Speaker 1: within an hour or so. Nobody liked it. Why because
Speaker 1: I was then you know, now you're deflecting and you're
Speaker 1: not acknowledging the problem, and you're not even sorry for
Speaker 1: scamming your fans. But here's the thing. Also, so everybody
Speaker 1: in my real life, like adults, were like, this is good,
Speaker 1: post this, But then the Internet said, you're deflecting, you're
Speaker 1: not taking responsibility. And then it became a meme because
Speaker 1: I said, you know, manage your expectations, and then people
Speaker 1: are just like, manage your expectations, O, my god, where
Speaker 1: they like do the big little a big end the
Speaker 1: SpongeBob met I can't obviously, because of the platform that
Speaker 1: you've created for yourself. You have eyeballs when this EP releases,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like beautiful benefits that have
Speaker 1: come with Annoying Ship. There's way more beautiful benefits than
Speaker 1: there aren't negative for sure. So you already have all
Speaker 1: these people ready for your EP, excited for your EP.
Speaker 1: What can they expect from your music? Is it going
Speaker 1: to be Is it going to be the same type
Speaker 1: of music you've released in the past. Is there some
Speaker 1: evolution cultures evolution? I hope that there's always evolution in
Speaker 1: my work, but I would say that this is more
Speaker 1: so in the vein of Medicaid, where it's not as punk.
Speaker 1: The first track is a little bit punk rocky. It's
Speaker 1: kind of Marina and the Diamonds vibes, actually, I would say,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of alternative pop. But it really tells
Speaker 1: a full cohesive story. And I sent it to a
Speaker 1: lot of my producer friends and writer friends and just
Speaker 1: general friends, and they said, this is a body of work.
Speaker 1: This tells a full story from beginning to end. And
Speaker 1: then it's hard to do and I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 1: and that is what I wanted to hear. Every song
Speaker 1: is connected. Every single song tells the story. And then
Speaker 1: I put interstitials of real voicemails of my X and
Speaker 1: I crying to each other in between the tracks to
Speaker 1: lead into so it's literally like, this is what happened,
Speaker 1: This is what we were saying to each other, and
Speaker 1: then I wrote this song. This is what happened, this
Speaker 1: is what we said, and then I wrote this song.
Speaker 1: I love this. It's hard to listen to a little bit. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's weird though, because I'm like, I get numb to
Speaker 1: it a little bit, because I'm like listening to my
Speaker 1: ex say I'm sorry and I love you, and then
Speaker 1: I'm listening to myself crying saying I'm so fucking exhausted.
Speaker 1: And then to me, it's like, oh, I'm creating art.
Speaker 1: And then once it's finished and you're done working on it,
Speaker 1: and then you listen to it back as a full
Speaker 1: body of work and the deadlines are over and everything,
Speaker 1: it punches you in the mouth and you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that really happened, that really happened,
Speaker 1: and my heart is broken. A spiral again Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that sounds like worth the weight. Wait this is out
Speaker 1: after the EP, right, because I want to tell so
Speaker 1: okay this actually this will be this is a pre recording,
Speaker 1: so by the time this launches EPs out, so dish it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what basically the story? And I literally just tell
Speaker 1: the story and the track of perfect day. It's called
Speaker 1: a true story, literally a perfect day, a true story
Speaker 1: where I was seeing this guy and we're super head
Speaker 1: over heels and love and then we had this perfect
Speaker 1: day together. It could not be more perfect and we
Speaker 1: were so connected and everything was beautiful. And then we
Speaker 1: took a shower and then he gets out and then
Speaker 1: I get out a minute later, and I see I
Speaker 1: Love you written in the steam on the mirror, and
Speaker 1: I thought he wrote it, and then I noticed it
Speaker 1: was not his handwriting, was definitely a female's handwriting. And
Speaker 1: then I said, did I write it? Because I thought,
Speaker 1: you know how it steams up again and you see
Speaker 1: the old writing that was there, Um, it was on
Speaker 1: the edge of my Basically, I walked out and I said,
Speaker 1: did you hook up with somebody else? And he said no,
Speaker 1: And I said, who wrote I Love you on the mirror?
Speaker 1: And then he said another girl, and I said when
Speaker 1: and he said a couple of days ago. So it
Speaker 1: was horrible and it was heartbreaking and Nicholas Sparks movie,
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, So obviously I wrote it into a song,
Speaker 1: and then I wrote the EP off of that heartbreak.
Speaker 1: As I'm writing it, I'm you know. It's a song
Speaker 1: that's literally telling the story of the moment that I
Speaker 1: found him sleeping with somebody else. For months it was
Speaker 1: just oh, this this song is so good, this music
Speaker 1: video is so good. And then when it was finished,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, he slept with somebody else.
Speaker 1: It was so hard. I can't believe that's how you
Speaker 1: found out. And then the cover art two of the
Speaker 1: e P is the heart You written in the steam?
Speaker 1: Can you believe that that happened? It doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: a real story. And people always say to me like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way this stuff happens to you. I'm like,
Speaker 1: everything happens to me in a really dramatic You find
Speaker 1: something a text message esteemed I love you, esteemed shower.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the cover of the EP. And that
Speaker 1: again I became numb to that too, that I love
Speaker 1: that no it's it's it's like that I love it,
Speaker 1: but I forgot what it was for a minute, and
Speaker 1: then when you look at it again and you remember,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh, how does the X feel about this? Um,
Speaker 1: he's actually very very supportive of it. On board. He's
Speaker 1: very on boarding. I mean he signed the release to
Speaker 1: have his voice on it because his his voice and
Speaker 1: mails are on it. But then we did have a
Speaker 1: conversation recently where he finally like, how do you think
Speaker 1: it I feel seeing your profile picture and I see that, which,
Speaker 1: first of all, you did it, but that it also
Speaker 1: hurt him, like he made him. We should tag like
Speaker 1: I'm a part of this. We should tag the girl.
Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't know she has. I
Speaker 1: didn't ask. I'm not the bitch to ask. I'm going
Speaker 1: to find out. You are, You're going to find out.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to know, because once you find out,
Speaker 1: then you're just like working for her. No, No, you
Speaker 1: don't want to find out. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what she looks like. I
Speaker 1: don't want to judge compare myself to her. I don't
Speaker 1: want to think is she prettier than me to shave
Speaker 1: a better body than you and she doesn't have a
Speaker 1: better body. Well, I mean that right here. I don't
Speaker 1: want anything like I don't even want to have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to go creep on her page, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I just don't want to know you. That's crazy. Though.
Speaker 1: I love that you are using real life heartache and
Speaker 1: for this album, and I think that really resonates with
Speaker 1: people when they listen to music. So my eggs actually
Speaker 1: brought something up recently where he was like, because we
Speaker 1: um we actually met online through comments on Facebook, which
Speaker 1: who then does that anymore? Weed for three months before
Speaker 1: we met, and he'd been in love with me that
Speaker 1: whole time. Essentially while we were joking about like music,
Speaker 1: I said, I need more music. Do you want to
Speaker 1: date and then break my heart real quick? So I
Speaker 1: have something to write about. And he brought it up
Speaker 1: recently and he's like, that's haunted me for seven months.
Speaker 1: You were like, I wasn't serious, Like, please don't hey,
Speaker 1: but when you win that Grammy, thank them all. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait for handwriting girl, I'll thank you because I
Speaker 1: would have found her by that. I somehow get an
Speaker 1: interview with her I'm like, so tell me for the
Speaker 1: girl who slept with my boyfriend. I I also guessed
Speaker 1: the reason she did it was because he had my
Speaker 1: card that I wrote him for Valentine's stay out still
Speaker 1: while she was there, and she kept picking up and
Speaker 1: reading it, and then I guess she got jealous, so
Speaker 1: she wrote I love you on the mirror. She planned
Speaker 1: this scandal moment like Gabby's going to take a shower
Speaker 1: at some point. I don't think that she thought that
Speaker 1: it would still show up. I think that it probably
Speaker 1: faded before and we've all written in our showers before
Speaker 1: it and it comes back. Well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: she knew that we were still together. Well, I'm saving
Speaker 1: this for interview with her question you see this thing
Speaker 1: is I don't know what she thought, Like she might
Speaker 1: have thought like, well, why is your ex is Valentine
Speaker 1: still out? I don't know what she was told. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: what was he thinking, like the biggest mistake of his life.
Speaker 1: I don't think he cared to hide me from her.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's very confusing. Heard yea so weird,
Speaker 1: but therapeutic. I'm assuming this album out, of course, a profitable,
Speaker 1: profitable monetize your heartbreak baby. Yeah. Yeah, and when you
Speaker 1: win that Grammy, thank them all. Is your YouTube going
Speaker 1: to be reflective of your music moving forward? Are we
Speaker 1: going to see a shift in the content that's on
Speaker 1: your YouTube now that this EPs coming. I'm still probably
Speaker 1: going to keep a lot of obviously music videos and
Speaker 1: stuff go up, but I'm going to keep the same
Speaker 1: type of loggy content because that's why people followed me
Speaker 1: in the first place. But I do have my Patreon
Speaker 1: for people who want exclusive music content because I found
Speaker 1: that when I was posting it to my channels, a
Speaker 1: lot of the comments were, Okay, I'm happy you're doing you,
Speaker 1: but I didn't subscribe for this, and like, I'm turning
Speaker 1: off your notifications because I don't care about this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So I have my like private membership where
Speaker 1: the people who really want it can go and get it,
Speaker 1: and then I love posting on their The community on
Speaker 1: there is so nice because haters don't pay to hate,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. So everybody there's really loving and supportive,
Speaker 1: and I have like private chat rooms where they're all
Speaker 1: talking about I think this lyric means this. I think
Speaker 1: that this is going to be on the EP and
Speaker 1: it's just cool and fun. That must be so rewarding
Speaker 1: to you know that you're doing something right and getting
Speaker 1: all this support from your true fans. I could literally
Speaker 1: talk to you for the next two hours. Unfortunately we can't,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to come back. I'd love to
Speaker 1: you know, when you win the Grammy, don't forget us.
Speaker 1: I would never I have your number. I always got
Speaker 1: to remember you as the person you said I would
Speaker 1: win a Grammy. You're going to literally mark my words.
Speaker 1: Somebody keep this clip in the future, somebody in the room.
Speaker 1: When I want a Grammy, I'm going to say thank
Speaker 1: you to my heart and Tatiana. Oh and when I'm
Speaker 1: in the front row with the Grammy, I'll come up
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, so we thank you guys. It's
Speaker 1: really because of me. I'll take all the cred deserve it.
Speaker 1: But yeah. So in closing, one piece of advice that
Speaker 1: you would give Gabby ten years ago, make your tragedy
Speaker 1: as a work of art. Baby, Just keep embracing that
Speaker 1: pain because it's going to be really helpful later. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think you're doing that right now. That's
Speaker 1: what it's working. But I just wish she knew a
Speaker 1: little bit sooner. I think that's everybody though, But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a really good piece of advice. And I
Speaker 1: guess I'll just ask one because I love advice. Piece
Speaker 1: of advice for somebody who wants to follow in your footsteps. Oh,
Speaker 1: just really, just do you, you know, and be authentic,
Speaker 1: which is such a corny thing to say, but it's
Speaker 1: honestly so true. When you look at the people who
Speaker 1: really make a mark on society or art or culture,
Speaker 1: it's the people who are truly authentically themselves. And whether
Speaker 1: you make it big or you don't, you can be
Speaker 1: really proud of the stuff that you've created and you're
Speaker 1: going to touch somebody and just worry about that. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about the fame of the money. If if it's
Speaker 1: meant to be, that will happen. But if that's your focus,
Speaker 1: you'll never get there. Love it, Love it. Write a
Speaker 1: book next. I have one. Oh it's my coltry book
Speaker 1: Adult Lessons, available now in Barnes and Noble Target. I
Speaker 1: gotta go to Barnes. I would have brought you one, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: but yeah, make sure you come back every time, you know,
Speaker 1: release a book, write a movie. Absolutely like you're doing
Speaker 1: big things. I'm excited to know you. You're so sweet.
Speaker 1: They can find the EP. It's called two A Mirror
Speaker 1: and it's everywhere. It's on every streaming platform, and the
Speaker 1: music videos will be on my YouTube channel and just
Speaker 1: you'll find it. And we're gonna be playing it on
Speaker 1: my heart right, yes, NonStop. Right, I rake the whole system.
Speaker 1: I take credit for everything. All right, guys, we will
Speaker 1: see you next time. Thank you so much for listening.
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