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Speaker 1: Up next, The Truth with Lisa Both. Part of the

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Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. Yeah, welcome back to the Truth

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Speaker 1: with Lisa Booth. My guest this week is Jason Whitlock.

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Speaker 1: Fearless and outspoken. We dig into his upbringing, the need

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Speaker 1: Whitlock is a veteran sports journalist and television personality who

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Speaker 1: He established himself as an award winning sports journalist at

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Speaker 1: plenty of noise with this fearless commentary. I don't know

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Speaker 1: With that, I want to welcome Jason Whitlock to The

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Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. Jason, it is an absolute pleasure

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Speaker 1: to talk with you today, no problem. I'm honored to

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Speaker 1: So you grew up in Indianapolis, Indiana. What was your

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Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence in the Constitution. The African American

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Speaker 1: journey was the steroids that made America great and push

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Speaker 1: this country forward and forward at a more rapid speed

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Speaker 1: than the rest of the globe. All of that, this

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Speaker 1: is what Black Lives Matters, is attacking black people. From

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Speaker 1: marmonthy King to Frederick Douglas to Richard Allen who started

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Speaker 1: the A and E Church for Black people, we had

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Speaker 1: long been America's moral conscious, pushing America forward, and they've

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Speaker 1: undermined all that, imposed a degenerate culture on black people,

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Speaker 1: and now have imposed this godless ideology of black lives matter,

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Speaker 1: and let's destroy the nuclear family and let's uproot all

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Speaker 1: these Western values that have served us well. It's black

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Speaker 1: Lives matters is like the trojan horse that is undermining

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Speaker 1: all the things that America be successful, Black people be successful,

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Speaker 1: all of us be successful. And they're doing under the

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Speaker 1: guys the rules of Oh, we're eliminating racism. No you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're creat need more racism and more division than anything

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Speaker 1: we've seen in the last sixty years. Why do you

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Speaker 1: think they're against the family, Because God is for the family.

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Speaker 1: It against Black lives matter, all this stuff Marxist, it's

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Speaker 1: all just satanic. It's it's it's all whatever God is for,

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Speaker 1: there against and God is for for the family. Go

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Speaker 1: out and procreate, you know the most. And again I

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Speaker 1: say this as a single person, and i'm you know,

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Speaker 1: because I have not come close to living a perfect life.

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Speaker 1: I no one has none of it. We all we

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Speaker 1: all fall short, you know, like that's that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: one commonality every single American has and every human being has.

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Speaker 1: You know, we all fall short, right, so none of

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Speaker 1: us are perfect. Yeah, So I just it's as simple

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Speaker 1: as look, God is for family, there against it. But

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Speaker 1: I think what's scary is that, you know, they pulled

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Speaker 1: the wool over everyone's eyes. I mean, do you even

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Speaker 1: look at you know, corporations in America, you know, Walmart, Target, McDonald's,

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Speaker 1: a list goes on, have donated to the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter movement. You've got athletes like Lebron James and NBA

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Speaker 1: players wearing Black Lives Matter T shirts, you know, on

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Speaker 1: you know, on the court, like they've pulled the wool

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Speaker 1: over everyone's eyes. But you know what have they actually

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Speaker 1: done to advance anything for Black lives Nothing? And that's

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Speaker 1: not their goal. Um, you know, look those corporations you

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Speaker 1: just rattled off, and I don't want to pick on

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Speaker 1: any of them, but they were mostly all global corporations

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Speaker 1: that they're set up all across and I just think

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Speaker 1: the global ist prefer they want they like the way

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Speaker 1: things are set up in China, and they want that

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the world. And in order for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world to hop on board with that,

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Speaker 1: you've got to get them America to hop on board

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Speaker 1: with that. And we're headed that direction. We're Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: and what's going on right now, We're headed the direction

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Speaker 1: of China. We have a very authoritarian president right now

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Speaker 1: and he appears to be soft and harmless and UH

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Speaker 1: in early stages of dementia. But the people that are

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Speaker 1: pulling his puppet strings, he's they're accomplishing exactly what they want.

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Speaker 1: You know, we keep losing freedoms here in America without

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Speaker 1: complaining about them, because everybody's on this massive hunters to

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Speaker 1: make sure no one ever says a word that the

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Speaker 1: left finds disagreeable. And we're we're debating pronouns while they

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Speaker 1: strip us of freedoms. And so we've all fallen for

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Speaker 1: the smoke screen. We all we we think that corporation

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Speaker 1: somehow are on our side. And I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: on the working class side. I think they, like all

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Speaker 1: the other elites, want to I'm repeating myself, but I

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Speaker 1: just do it just so people will get the point.

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Speaker 1: They just want us to be more like China. And

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Speaker 1: if we can have a c C CCT over here

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Speaker 1: under the guys are being called the d n C.

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Speaker 1: They're all four. Now, I totally agree with you, and

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think it's it's no wonder that

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Speaker 1: we simultaneously have a lots of freedoms over the past years. Well,

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Speaker 1: they've built up the welfare state and you have people

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Speaker 1: choosing to stay unemployed as opposed to work so that

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Speaker 1: they're more morbile holding to the government, while they also

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Speaker 1: simultaneously dismantle the nuclear family in America and also take

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Speaker 1: away the emphasis of God. I mean, it all leads

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Speaker 1: in the direction as your point out, and then also

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Speaker 1: simultaneously divide the America, not necessarily on economic lines, but

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Speaker 1: on racial lines. You know, it all leads to the

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Speaker 1: direction of China and communism in America. So I I

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm totally in agreeing agreement with you. And

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Speaker 1: what's troubling to me is I've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: guests on this podcast way deeply respect, which is why

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Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to have you on and why

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Speaker 1: I have the people have on previously, and everyone keeps

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Speaker 1: bringing up this point, and you know, it's it's pretty

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Speaker 1: terrifying the place we're in right now as Americans. They've

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Speaker 1: seized control of the mainstream media. And you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time even explaining this to my family.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my family loves me and I love them,

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Speaker 1: but they don't get it. They've been seeing in MSNBC

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Speaker 1: and UH Barack Obama and in particular has done an

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Speaker 1: incredible job of getting them uh to replace their focus

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Speaker 1: on God with a focus on politics and a focus

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Speaker 1: on skin color. And I keep I've been saying I

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Speaker 1: would It's been a good seven years. I think I've

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Speaker 1: been saying, hey man, what do you what comes out

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Speaker 1: of your mouth more often Jesus, Trump or Obama other

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Speaker 1: than them three words because I'm and I'm asking these

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Speaker 1: guys because they all have a religious faith, but they

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Speaker 1: all spend most of their time talking about Obama and Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, on Sundays we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about Jesus briefly. The rest of the week it's Trump

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00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: and Obama seven and I'm like, our religious identity has

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Speaker 1: been replaced with a political identity and a skin color identity.

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Speaker 1: And it just depends on you know, I don't if

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Speaker 1: you you tell I'm black, I'm liberal, or I'm Democrat,

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Speaker 1: I'm Republican. And I'm like, hey man, we gotta start

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Speaker 1: getting I can know I'm a Christian that trumps everything else,

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00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: that's more important than everything else. And once you go

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00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: to that mindset that the world will look very different.

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot easier too. And I'm sorry for

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Speaker 1: using this language, but it's a lot easier to see

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00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: the bullshit when your first thought is I wonder how

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Speaker 1: God feels about this, And so once you go there,

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00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, questions started getting answered real quick. I know

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Speaker 1: how God feels about abortion, and I need to get

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Speaker 1: in line with how he feels, or am I really

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00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: a Christian? I should at least be making the to

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Speaker 1: get in the line with how he feels, more so

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00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: how I feel or how Barack Obama made me feel

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Speaker 1: about it. And but it's a struggle, and I'm just

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00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: afraid people aren't gonna wake up until it's too late.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm looking at people like they wake

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Speaker 1: up every day. I gotta prove how black I am.

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00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: And and I'm like, well, hold on the end the

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00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: way social media and Hollywood and and Joe Biden has

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00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: defined blackness. You know that's a political idea and uh,

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00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: and it's and then Hollywood is divined. It is something

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00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: really degenerate, hedonistic, materialistic, violent. You know, in order you've

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Speaker 1: got to use the in word every other five s

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00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: actually gotta be profane. You know, I'm keeping it real

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00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm like, I don't skin color is not

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00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: my most important attribute. I'm very proud of being black.

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00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: But it's not my most important attribute. I have more

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Speaker 1: things to offer the world than my skin color, far more.

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00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: And but but people fooled, and so they wake up

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: every day and you'll see it over social media. Look

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00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: how unapologetically black I am. As I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's ever trained or I've ever seen anybody tweet Look

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Speaker 1: how unapologetically Christian I am. It just doesn't happen, and

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: it to me it should, Jason, I'm not often left speechless.

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Speaker 1: Let's hold that thought and get back to it after

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Speaker 1: the break. I thought you made so many good points,

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Speaker 1: and you're right, you know, I mean politics has sort

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Speaker 1: of dominated people's lives in a way that maybe it

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Speaker 1: hasn't previously. I think some of that also has been

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Speaker 1: consumed over the past year with you know, with people

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Speaker 1: not being able to live their lives the way that

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Speaker 1: they normally lived, and with you know, an election like

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Speaker 1: election where it really has become all consuming, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's poisonous really for everybody, black, white, brown, aisan,

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Speaker 1: It's it's poisonous for everybody, this political obsession and trying

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Speaker 1: to you know, for think you, for us, if whoever

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Speaker 1: is listening, if you're a believer. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: when you go to your social media deal list, Christianity

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00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: first ahead of your because most people put a little

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00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: bit I'm a Republican, or I'm I hate Biden or whatever.

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00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: Put Kristen first and try to prioritize that over your politics.

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00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: The world becomes much clearer your decision making. Me. Look,

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00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I clearly don't do this perfectly. I am a sinner.

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00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows it. I know it. But I'm just trying

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00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: to remind myself every day because I make better decisions

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Speaker 1: when my first thoughts are I'm a Christian. If I

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Speaker 1: woke up and thought, hey, I'm a conservative, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't clarify my decision making. As much as someone

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00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: cuts me off in traffic. As a conservative, I feel

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00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: like I have the right to give him the finger

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00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: or to yell at him. As a Christian, I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's just and so my decision. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things conservatives can do that don't violate them

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00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: being a conservative, a lot of things that aren't healthy

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00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: and aren't the proper reaction, and so I just try

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Speaker 1: because one I just think this is our only salvation.

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00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: We've moved so far away from the values that made

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Speaker 1: America great that if we don't run towards those values

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Speaker 1: now and where I'm on our sleeves, the little Satanic

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Speaker 1: movement I only call I say little, The big Satanic

607
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: movement that's big Tech and everybody else's orchestrating, is going

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Speaker 1: to continue to slaughter us. We have sidelined our best soldier.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jesus Christ. We better start calling on

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Speaker 1: him because we're getting slaughtered right now by the other side.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's probably the only word to turn

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Speaker 1: right now, you know, I mean, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. You know, we're looking at all these fights

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Speaker 1: that are ahead in the country, and you know, it's

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00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: scary being an American. I mean, you're seeing the left

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00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: sort of overtake the country. You're seeing these false narratives

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00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: being driven by the media that are destroying relationships in

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Speaker 1: the country, destroying interactions with our fellow Americans. You you

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00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: see sort of this like evil and anchornus that's taking

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Speaker 1: over America. And you know, it's hard sometimes not to

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00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: get caught up in it, you know, because we look

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00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: at these fights and you see what's on the horizon

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Speaker 1: and you know, you kind of want to fight like hell,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's challenging to kind of you know,

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00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: while Sam, you know, looking at those fights and wanting

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Speaker 1: to fight those fights, well also you know, looking above

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00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: and having that grace. Right, we have to identify who

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00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: the true target is. It's not Trump. They're not out

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Speaker 1: to get Trump. I'm just telling you, they're not out

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00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: to get conservative. They're out to get to eliminate God

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Speaker 1: from this country. That's what made this country great. And

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00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: so once you come to that understanding, you really only

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00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: have one choice, and you will start to see solutions.

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Speaker 1: As long as we keep thinking Trump's gonna save us,

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: We're not going to be saved. I can guarantee you that.

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Speaker 1: And that's not some hyper criticism of Trump. It's just

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00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: the reality people have been Did Trump save us? That

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00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: didn't happen. We're getting slaughtered. All of our freedoms are

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00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: being eliminated literally on a daily basis. It's he can't

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Speaker 1: save us. We are going to have to return to

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Speaker 1: the values of the of our four founders, or we're

642
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: going to our founders, our forefathers, or we're gonna continue

643
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: to get slotted I'm and I'm not anybody that knows me.

644
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: No like man, I'm a sinner. I'm not some minister.

645
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm a very pragmatic, logical person. I've given this a

646
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of thought. We only have one savior, and we're

647
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: we're we're fooling ourselves. If we all were just more conservative,

648
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: if we win back everything in, it's all going to

649
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: be better. I have no faith in that, all right.

650
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong at all. You know, I

651
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: grew up in a very religious home. I'm a believer myself.

652
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I fall short constantly, as you just mentioned,

653
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: as we all do, because you know, we're humans and

654
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: we're imperfect, and that's unfortunately, that's the way it goes,

655
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, so you just try to do your best,

656
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, each day. But you know, I think in

657
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: sort of continue this conversation, you know, we also have

658
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: the concern in America right now where we just sort

659
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: of seem to be living in this post truth world

660
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: where you know, facts don't matter in the media, facts

661
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: don't matter to you know, our politicians, and it's really

662
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: hard to get the truth out. And was reading a

663
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: column you wrote for you know, OutKick OutKick when you

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00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: were criticizing the San Antonio Spurs coach at the time

665
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: because he was pushing the Michael Brown lie the hands up,

666
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: don't shoot, which we know to not be true, and

667
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: you said at one point you believed it until you

668
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: learned the facts. But isn't that sort of the challenge

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00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: that we face right now in this post truth world,

670
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: is that so many people don't get the facts, you know,

671
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: they're getting an narrative. And I'm so glad you mentioned this, Lisa,

672
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: because that is actually the point I wanted to get

673
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: to in my last little rant, is just what is

674
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: the truth? Or what what? What? What does the Bible

675
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: and Jesus the truth sets you free? To me, my

676
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: faith is a search for truth. And they have eliminated,

677
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: they've illegalized the truth. And this again, you can't have

678
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: the kind of chaos and the promotion of degenerousy and

679
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the elimination of freedom without lies, without illegalizing the truth.

680
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: And so going all the way back to Black Lives matters,

681
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: look at the lie that it's built on. All the

682
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: police are systematically going out and randomly killing black man.

683
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: It's a genocidal pandemic. All the facts blow that up

684
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: like it ain't even remotely true. Police brutality actually is

685
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: in decline in the less of it. The facts are

686
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: that the police came about two fifty black people a

687
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: year and about four fifty white people a year. And

688
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: then they'll say, oh, well, it's still disproportionate based on

689
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the number of black people were only of the population,

690
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: and but hold on. The facts are that if you

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Speaker 1: live in a zip code in a high crime area

692
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: where there's violence, the police are going to be called

693
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: to that zip code more often. And so from Chicago

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00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, to Baltimore to New York to l A

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00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: are black people Are we living in high crime zip

696
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: coach where the police are called more often? Therefore you

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00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: have far more engagement with police. And in order for

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00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: for police misconduct to happen, you have to be engaged

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00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: with the police. And so based on the frequency of engagement,

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00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: the rare occurrences of poling black men or black people

701
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: is still rare and it's not remote disproportionate. There have

702
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: been studies done than like, the police actually based on engagement,

703
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: kill less black people than what you would think. But

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00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: again social media and Twitter, Facebook support the lie that

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00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and and influencers like Lebron James tweet at all, by God,

706
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: we can't go outside. We're being hunted by the police

707
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: and we can get killed at anytime, just for walking,

708
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: just for jobs. It's all BS. And Lebron's promoting that

709
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: BS because again China and selling shoes and the money

710
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: they make over there, and they want this system to

711
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: be more like China. That's why he's selling that. But

712
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: it is a lie. And we have built a society

713
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: based on lies and reacting to lies, and let's let's

714
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: go well, they've created this lie, so let's go out

715
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: on working on fixing this lying narrative that they've created.

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00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: It's I'm repeating myself, it's satanic. And I think one

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00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: of the most illuminating things to me recently was the

718
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: incident with Macaya Bryant where you had a white police

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00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: officer saving a young black woman's life, had shot mccaya

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Speaker 1: brin in the process because she was on video trying

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00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: to stab that other woman. And then you still have

722
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: people like Lebron James tweeting out a picture of the

723
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: police officer, you know, saying I think it was your

724
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: next you know, clearly targeting this police officer who's and

725
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: it's like, how does someone win in that environment? You know,

726
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: how does the police officer win in that environment? They

727
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: want to federalize law enforcement, and so they're doing everything

728
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: they can to uh smear local law enforcement, and you know,

729
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: the whole defund, defund, defund and and then eventually Joe Biden,

730
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and say well, let's just let the Feds

731
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: take over. You know, these states can't handle it. And

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00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: again it's just one more step towards you. As me

733
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: living in Tennessee, I have less say so over the

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00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: police officers who work from are supposed to secure my safety. Washington,

735
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: d C is gonna handle it, and so lebron and

736
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: and they're just whatever where they can to stir animals

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00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: towards local police so that people are under the guys

738
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: that we're gonna reform. You're gonna sound Joe Biden and

739
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and their attorneys they got it. They can

740
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: handle Nashville, Tennessee, they can handle Miami, Florida. They can

741
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: handle everything. And it's a joke, man. It's it's centralized

742
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: authoritarian control of everything. It's clever what they're doing. The

743
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: only way to get people to see it and recognize it, though,

744
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: is if we start telling people the truth, they're out

745
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: to get Jesus. Once we start hammering that message, I'm

746
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: telling you people's eyes. You gotta beat the drum for

747
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: a while, but people will start to get it because

748
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: they're taking away our own individual control and handing it

749
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: all over to the government, and that's just not good.

750
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: That only leave the history of the world has told

751
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: us where that eventually leads to a level of human

752
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: rights violation and annihilation of people that will be unprecedented.

753
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: We've are We've seen it in history. It's it's there,

754
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: But we gotta be on message, and it's bigger than

755
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: any of us individually well. And a lot of the

756
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: people they purport to say they want to help are

757
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: the ones you know suffering the most. You mean, you

758
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: look at Minneapolis alone, homicide and shooting victims are black.

759
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: You've now had at least one third of the police

760
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: force have resigned or sought to leave since George Floyd's

761
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: killing and the chaos that has arisen since then, homicides

762
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: since January one, since last year. And it's like none

763
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: of these people on the left seemed to care, or

764
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement doesn't seem to care that

765
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: the people they say they're trying to help her a

766
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of them. A lot of people are dying and

767
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: being killed because of defunding the police or the lack

768
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: of the police presence across the country. They just don't

769
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: seem to care at all, and the police justifiably because

770
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: they're just human beings protecting themselves in terms of is

771
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: it really worth me getting involved if I can show

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00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: up as a policeman, as you pointed out, and save

773
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: a woman from being stabbed to death, but I'm still

774
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: going to be targeted as a racist. Uh. And still

775
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: you know someone's gonna tweet out a picture of me

776
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and my name and say we got to hold him accountable. Uh.

777
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't blame the police for for backing off and

778
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: and not wanting to get involved. Uh. They're not respected

779
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: the way they used to be. That that literally part

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00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: of the payment of being a police officer. We paid

781
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: you in respect. You gotta working class salary. But you're

782
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: in a respected profession. You could go out and tell people, Hey,

783
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm a police officer. People would have a want. Oh,

784
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that, let me buy your coffee.

785
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. We've now gone almost the other directions.

786
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: They're ashamed of telling people their police because they don't

787
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: know what the reaction will be. Uh Will they be

788
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: hit with charges that their murderers and they're the most

789
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: corrupt there's people on the planet. And so of course, uh,

790
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: murder and violent crimes have gone up in the very

791
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: communities that the liberals say they're concerned about. That's by design.

792
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: If you get more and more chaos in these communities

793
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: when you come in, man, we need some revolutionary uh

794
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: solution to this. Who you just can't trust these local people.

795
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: We have to federalize all policies. It's all a set up.

796
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: It's in all under the under the pretense. And they

797
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: they've and this is again where I say conservatives have

798
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: made a mistake the political conservatives is the mainstream media

799
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: and the left have defined political conservatives as racists or

800
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom's and sellouts, and the conservatives have responded by saying, no,

801
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: we're not. And the proper response I'm just telling you

802
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: is no we're not. We're Christians. That's who we are.

803
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: They think Christians are racist and the worst people in

804
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: the world. Let them deal with answering that, because many

805
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: of the left will stand up and say, yeah, you're right,

806
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: we do think Christians are racists blah blah blah, And

807
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: then I want black people and other people that are

808
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: Christians to deal with that. That that's what the left

809
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: really thinks about you and your religious beliefs. They think

810
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: you're an idiot, they think you're some of the worst

811
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: people on earth. That they think you're crazy for believing

812
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: in God we can win, that are doing. What kind

813
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: of hate do you get personally from people for speaking

814
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: out about issues like this, I don't think, you know,

815
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: over social media, I get plenty. In real life, I

816
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: get virtually none. People treat me really well, black, white, whomever.

817
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: Wherever I go, people warm and fuzzy to see me,

818
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: tell me they like me. But over social media, which

819
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, I believe it's a make believe world controlled

820
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: by big tech and Satan con Valley. Uh. But in

821
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: real life, you know, people treat me well. Now, people

822
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: in the media that some of the blue checks in

823
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the media or whatever, you know, they're afraid of me.

824
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: But when I deal with them one on one or

825
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: called they're perfectly fine. Uh, you know most the one

826
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: thing I have an advantage of, Lisa is that because

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00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in the media agree

828
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: with me, but I think a lot of them have

829
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: a spouse and kids that they're trying to put through

830
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: private schools or college and it's just not worth the

831
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: risk of approachein things the way that I do. They

832
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: could lose their job. And so being single without kids

833
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: affords me a freedom that most journalists don't have. Um

834
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I trust me. If I were married,

835
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: I might operate a bit differently because I wouldn't want

836
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: my wife to experience the victory all that I have

837
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: to experience over social media. Uh. And then that kind

838
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: of social media victoro al can if you've got kids

839
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: and things like that, it could bleed into your kids

840
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: life in terms of other kids teasing them. Look what

841
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: someone said about your dad or your mom over social media.

842
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: But I'm treated very well by ninety nine point nine

843
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: percent of the people I run into in the real

844
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: world over social media. That probably drops down about can

845
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, kids, They're facing a lot

846
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: of toxicity right now in the country as well. I mean,

847
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: we see things like critical race theory being taught in

848
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: so many schools. You've said that it is quote mental slavery,

849
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: Jim Crow for the mind. How much damage is critical

850
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: race theory doing to the country. I mean quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: because when you talk about their teaching hate in academia

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Speaker 1: and so kids are being indoctrinated into hating themselves, hating others. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a promotion of racial conflict in our

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Speaker 1: school system. And I mean, but but beyond that, you're

855
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Speaker 1: you're taking time away from reading, writing, and arithmetic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's like our kids are struggling. No, I'm talking

857
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Speaker 1: about American kids. But then when you start talking about

858
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Speaker 1: black kids, particularly black boys, we're falling behind in math, science, literature,

859
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Speaker 1: all of this. But we got time to teach you

860
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Speaker 1: a bunch of sixteen nineteen BS New York Times sixteen

861
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Speaker 1: nineteen BS and uh, white privilege and all this other crap. Uh,

862
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Speaker 1: it's we're not teaching people how to think, and that's

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Speaker 1: what schools are there for. We're teaching people what to think.

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Speaker 1: And it's just dangerous. Well, it's challenging because you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen how the teachers unions have a monopoly on

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Speaker 1: the education system, which is why Democrats fight so hard

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Speaker 1: against things like school choice, which would actually allow for competition,

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Speaker 1: would allow for kids to get about our education and

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Speaker 1: so that their zip code doesn't determine the kind of

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Speaker 1: future they have, which is always frustrating because the Left

871
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: fights against solutions that i would actually make people's lives

872
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: better in so many different arenas. Strategically, the Left is

873
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Speaker 1: kicking the butt of believers and they they this is

874
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Speaker 1: sixty years in they're making and you know, ever since

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Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson, Uh, basically, you know, I think it's Daniel

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Speaker 1: Patrick morneyhand and came up with the Money Hand Report,

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Speaker 1: and it was about investing in the Black family. Lyndon

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Speaker 1: Johnson rejected that went the Great Society route, and the

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Great Society was just the seeds of all that we're

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00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: dealing with now that they were playing it. Uh in

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: in nine when they start a Great Society deal and

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Speaker 1: they've taken root and have blossomed now and we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with a fall out of that, and it's been a

884
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: long time coming. And if if if the other side

885
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: of the resistance to that doesn't get far more strategic,

886
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: we're just we're just going to be holding podcast and

887
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: whining and complain and now I tell you on that

888
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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping to wear people's eyes open to what's

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Speaker 1: around us right now. But you know, I want to

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Speaker 1: get to this before we get going, because I know

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Speaker 1: that this is important to you. And you've been tweeting

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Speaker 1: and talking about him. But Kwamee Brown, for those at home,

893
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Speaker 1: former NBA player. He was drafted straight out of high school,

894
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Speaker 1: number one pick in two thousand one to the Washington Wizards.

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Speaker 1: He's been speaking out recently and you've been talking about

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Speaker 1: him as well, and this is what you said about him.

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Speaker 1: You said that this young man has a chance to

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Speaker 1: change the this entire negative culture that has black men

899
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Speaker 1: killing each other with impunity. What a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: What narrative is you changing? What is it about him

901
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: that is really just driving that passion for you to

902
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: want to get out and to speak about him. Well,

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Speaker 1: the number one thing that makes me hopeful about Quamie

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Speaker 1: is that he's building an audience rapidly. This is all

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Speaker 1: inspired in two weeks. He's like because he started out

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Speaker 1: attacking some NBA players who have been criticizing him. But

907
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Speaker 1: when I heard him attack them. I was like, oh man,

908
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Speaker 1: this guy's got a bigger message than just that, and

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Speaker 1: then than just defending his NBA career. And then as

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Speaker 1: he's gone on these rants for the past two weeks,

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Speaker 1: his social media following, his YouTube subscribed, all of this

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Speaker 1: is explored. I think when this started two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I think he had ten thousand YouTube subscribers, now has

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Speaker 1: about two hundred seventy five thousand. Uh. He had five

915
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Speaker 1: ten thousand Instagram followers, he now has a hundred and seventy.

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Speaker 1: His message not just the attack, not just the spectacle

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Speaker 1: of him beefing with guys. His actual message is read

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Speaker 1: in nating and I'm watching people respond to it with

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Speaker 1: extreme passion almost instantly. And his message basically is a

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Speaker 1: constive message, and I wouldn't say basically it is a

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Speaker 1: conservative message. He has defended Thomas Soul, Larry Elder, Candice Owens.

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Speaker 1: He has talked about self responsibility and fatherhood, and his

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Speaker 1: whole thing has been by He didn't these guys that

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Speaker 1: have been ridiculed in Kwame Brown for the past twenty years.

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Speaker 1: He's been out of the NBA for the last seven

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Speaker 1: eight years. His whole what set him off is like, you'

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Speaker 1: are interfering with my ability to be a father to

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Speaker 1: my sixteen year old son. I don't want my son

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Speaker 1: watching ESPN or watching this All the Smoke podcast and y'

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Speaker 1: are trashing me about basketball and trying to make me

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Speaker 1: out to be a afing style. My son's a sports fan.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit of an athlete. I can't you're

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Speaker 1: undercutting my ability to reach my son. Cut it out,

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Speaker 1: go talk about relevant basketball players. And so he's unpacked

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Speaker 1: himself as a working man. You know, he's made sixty

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Speaker 1: million in the NBA. He's not he's far from broke,

937
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: but he's from the South. He still farms. He lives

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Speaker 1: on acres of land that he purchases. He drives the

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Speaker 1: tractor every day. He's a working class Joe and he's

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Speaker 1: proud of that and wants to represent people like that.

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Speaker 1: It wants to be a voice for people like that.

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Speaker 1: And so for me to see him draw a massive audience,

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Speaker 1: and a massive Black audience with that message makes me

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Speaker 1: hopeful that others will follow suit. And and it proves

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Speaker 1: to me that there are black people dying to hear

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Speaker 1: that message from people they believe are on their side.

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Speaker 1: And so there's another guy, uh that's like a suited up,

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Speaker 1: highly educated version of quality Ground named Kevin Samuel's who's

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Speaker 1: building an amazing YouTube following Uh. He has similar values,

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Speaker 1: although he you know, he's in a suit and tie

951
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: every day and he talks, you know, he's Quami can

952
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: be very profane. Uh. He's talking to people at a

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Speaker 1: level they can understand because Quami doesn't always have to

954
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: be profane because he is a very smart guy. He's

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Speaker 1: got a common sense and a wisdom of someone much

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: older than him. But this Kevin Samuels guy has been

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01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: basically taught whole His show is based off of talking

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Speaker 1: to black women about how their matriarchal values are undercutting

959
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: their ability to land the husband's that they want. And

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: laced in all of his messaging are values that are

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Speaker 1: consistent with conservative religious principles. And he's developed a massive

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Speaker 1: black audience to people who love his content. And so

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01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: there's a great opportunity to reach Black people with a

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Speaker 1: conservative message if it's delivered properly uh and timary fashion.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm very hopeful that I think, like a

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Speaker 1: lot of white Christians, black Christians were attracted to the

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: same thing. We just haven't had the right people communicating

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Speaker 1: to us to help us understand we're actually on the

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Speaker 1: same team. And Kwamie and Kevin Samuels that's not even

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Speaker 1: their inten it, but it's the benefit of what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's an awakening going on? I just

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, people sort of seeing what's going on, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation that we've had and just

974
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, saying sort of the evils of society right now,

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Speaker 1: and and seeing sort of the dismantling a family and

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01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: saying sort of the poisoning of culture and the rest

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Speaker 1: that goes with it. Is there an awakening going on

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: right now? I think there has to be. It's just

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Speaker 1: a question of are we too late, are we going

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of this awakening? Or And so yes,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's an awakening. I'm concerned that we're

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Speaker 1: not going to take advantage of it in time. And

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01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: if I look at the behavior of the left, they

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01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: seem to know that there's like a ticking clock that

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: we have to do these things immediately before these people

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: wake all the way up. And so I see some

987
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: desperation on their side that again gives me hope that

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: they know that they're vulnerable and that people are waking up.

989
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen enough from the conservative Christian right

990
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: wing whatever. I haven't seen enough from that side to

991
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: know that there are prepared to take advance of this

992
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: moment or if we're going to continue to And again,

993
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: people are gonna hear this as anti Trump. I'm not

994
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: anti Trump, but Trump is not our savior. And if

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: we don't jump on savior is and people who are

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: willing to say his name publicly and mean it, we're

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: not going to win. And so I get why people

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: have a love affair with Trump, But if you really

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: want to defeat the left, if you really want to

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: hit uh interfere with their plans, UH say Jesus more

1001
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: than you say Trump and watch what happens. I think

1002
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: that's a great point. And I totally see what you're

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Speaker 1: saying on that, you know, I try to really end

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01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: these with some sort of positive note because I feel

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of people feel a little beaten down

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: and you know, concerned for the future. So I try

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Speaker 1: to end you know, there's always hope, right, and so

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Speaker 1: I try to end with a little bit of hope,

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Speaker 1: you know, give us something to be hopeful about and

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Speaker 1: to look forward to. Well, I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just said, call me Brown and Kevin Samuel's uh,

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Speaker 1: this podcast at Lisa Booth would reach out to a

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Speaker 1: little me and have me on our podcast. I hope

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Speaker 1: that this hour long podcast gives you some hope, because

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Speaker 1: you know, solutions are hope, and so, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm appreciate you bringing me on your platform and let

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Speaker 1: me rant and ray for an hour about what I

1018
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: believe is the solution that that gives me hope. This

1019
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: whole hour should make you hopeful. I hope it doesn't,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I learned a lot as well in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. I mean, I I I found this really interesting,

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Speaker 1: So I I really appreciate taking the time Jason. You

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Speaker 1: always have wise words and I'm always interested in hearing

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Speaker 1: what you have to say. So it's an honor and

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Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for your time. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Jason Whitlock again for a great interview, and I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you guys at home for listening. If you

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Speaker 1: enjoy today's show, please leave us a review and rate

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Speaker 1: us five stars on Apple Podcasts. You can also find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram and at LESA Rebooth special

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Speaker 1: thanks to our producer John Cassio, writer Aaron Kleigman, researcher

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Speaker 1: Margaret Smith, and executive producers Debbie Myers and Speaker New Ginkridge,

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Speaker 1: all part of the Ginkridge three sixty network,