1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the Sticks? DJ? Bucky 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck? How you doing, man? Man? I'm good. DJ. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: You know is Thursday, so that means we have a 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: big Thursday name matchup that will discuss and talk about 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: and comment on and all those other things. So no, 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited. Vikings and uh still is did 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: you get a chance to follow us Amazon? Twitch? Come 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: join the crew talk about it should be fine. We're 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: gonna do Twitch dot tv Slash Moved the Sticks. You 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: can find us. They'll be uh Bucky, myself, Joey Taylor, 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: and we're actually gonna be joined by our good friend 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: we just had him on the pod not too long ago, 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Jim Naggy, the executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl. 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna come on. We can talk some quarterbacks with 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: him as we start looking towards the draft. It's gonna 17 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: be a good time. So again, Twitch dot tv Slash 18 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: Moved the Sticks you and come hang out with us 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: for the Thursday night game. But I'm excited for this 20 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: podcast today. But because we're gonna have some fun man. 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna go through and kind of give our top 22 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: ten quarterback list. A little bit later on the show. 23 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: We'll get you that. Um. But at the top here 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: get a chance to to visit with the guests. Who 25 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: has really been at the kind of the top of 26 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: the NewsPage for those that still know about newspapers. That's 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, new head coach at USC left Oklahoma. He's 28 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: had plenty of time to do all these conversations with 29 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: different media folks about, you know, leaving Oklahoma, why he left, 30 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: and in all the past. We wanted a chance to 31 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: catch up with Lincoln kind of talk about where we 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: go from here in what it's gonna look like at 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: his new stop at USC with the Trojan. So let's 34 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: not wait any longer. Let's jump right into it. Here's 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: our conversation with USC's new head football coach Lincoln Riley. Alright, 36 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: Buck excited to have coach Riley joining us here. Coach, 37 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: I know you've had plenty of time to answer all 38 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: all the questions about you know, how wild this adventure 39 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: has been for you recently. But I think what we'd 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: like to do today is kind of talk about going forward. Um, 41 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: the team building process. Now as you take on this 42 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: role at USC, I'm just curious, you know, when you're 43 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: out on the recruiting trail right now, is there one 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: ingredient or one kind of theme that you guys are 45 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: out hunting for. I think we're looking for people, whether 46 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: it's recruiting trail, whether it's evaluating the current roster, whether 47 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: it's building a staff. I think the constant theme is 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: we're looking for people that are going to add to 49 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: the culture that that we want to build here. And we, 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, fortunate enough to be able to bring the 51 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: majority of our staff from Oklahoma here and I think 52 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: that's been a great advantage because you've got a lot 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: of people that already understand what we're trying to do, 54 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: how we're trying to do it. And now it's compiling 55 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: all the correct people, all the people that are that 56 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: are hungry to make this change and do the things 57 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: necessary to get s C back to being a championship program. 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: And uh, we're and so that's been that's been the 59 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: thing that we said we're not going to negotiate on. 60 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: We can will negotiate on on any other thing that 61 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: people have got to add to the culture UM in 62 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: this building and around this program. You know, coach. For 63 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: some who are not familiar with you, like, uh, what 64 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: is that culture that you speak of? Like, there's some 65 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: that understand the tradition of SC But when you think 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: about building the culture that you're about to see, what 67 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: does that mean? Uh? The two things I think of 68 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: our our blue collar and then uh and then team first. UM. 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: You know, I think I think every great program has 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: got to have that blue collar attitude, toughness in the 71 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: way that you play, a mindset that that you're not 72 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: owed anything, that there's no entitlement, that it's just gonna 73 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: be about what you what you earn, and the work 74 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: that you're willing to put in. UM and then team 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: first has always been a big thing for us. You know, 76 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: we've always had obviously, we've had a nice run of 77 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: players individually that have had, you know, great success and 78 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: gone on to do great things. But it's always started 79 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: for us UM within the framework of the team. And 80 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: it's amazing when when everybody is locked in on the team, 81 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: how those individual goals seem to come to fruition. And 82 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: so for us UM, we've got to have everybody in 83 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: this program understand that, and that's what we're gonna build 84 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: it on. That's what we believe in, and we're gonna 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: have only people here that that are about that going 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: or Coach and Bucky and I are on the road 87 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: scouting all those years looking for the same things for 88 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: NFL teams you're looking for at Oklahoma, trying to find 89 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: that toughness. How do you search that out? How do 90 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: you find that, how do you identify that and the 91 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: guys you're bringing in, it's it's it. It can be 92 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: a challenge, especially especially coming in at this point. UM. 93 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: But I think I think you've got to do your 94 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: homework with guys, and I think you've got to talk 95 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: to guys about um, you know, why they do this, 96 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: you know what they want to do. UM. I think 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, really kind of diving into the mindset of 98 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: these players and you know kind of their journeys, how 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: they got to where they are, what they want to 100 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: do going forward. Um. And And I think more than anything, 101 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: it's maybe in some ways part of it's a little 102 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: bit easier to discern in this world because so much 103 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: of so much out there is about the individual, you know, 104 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: and so much out there are about individual goals and 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: I want to do this or I want to do that. 106 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: So I think maybe more and more the people that 107 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: that are about the team and and and do want 108 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: to bring that toughness in that attitude and some ways 109 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: maybe stand out more than ever. You know, Coach uh 110 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: DJ and I talked about being on the road at 111 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: Scouts and coming to SE kind of doing the most 112 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: recent Hey, they like because you have so many different areas. 113 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: You had the Peat Carroll there, you had the John 114 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Robinson are to John McKay era, Um, how do you 115 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: tie like what you do and how you play and 116 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: how you want to perform with the legacy of the 117 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: past and kind of bring it all together so people 118 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: can remember sc but also celebrate the new version of 119 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: SE that you hope to orchestrate. How do you avoid 120 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: being a finesse football team? I think was the very 121 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: nice way Buck He's saying that, you know, they didn't 122 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: bring us here to to adapt test c you know, 123 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: as he brought us here to to bring you our 124 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: personality and our program and our belief system here. And 125 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: they they made that very clear from day one. And 126 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: I would say up to this point, whether it's been 127 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: administration whether it's been current players, whether it's been so 128 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: many of the former players and people that you know 129 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: we're a part of some of those at SC teams. 130 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: Everybody's embraced that, and I think there's a there's a 131 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: humble attitude, there's a real humility right now about about 132 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: this program and that you can't you're not gonna win 133 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: just because of the logo and how you're not gonna 134 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: win just because of you know, the great things that 135 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: have happened in the past. It's going to be about 136 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: the here and the now, and we've got to go 137 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: do everything necessary and everything possible to get this thing back. 138 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: And so I just I felt that attitude from the beginning, 139 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: and it was one of the things that was the 140 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: most appealing things about about coming here to l A 141 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: At taking this job was it's you feel the possibilities 142 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: of what this thing can be, but you also feel 143 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: an attitude that these people are dying for this to happen. 144 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're starving for success, and that's a 145 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: that's a great, great place to be. It's a tremendous 146 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: situation to walk into coach Now. We we talked to 147 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly about this a while ago. I remember going 148 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: to National Championship game when there was Notre Dame versus Alabama, 149 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: and you walk out there in pregame just the body 150 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: type guys, and I'm like, this is not a fair 151 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: Like this is not gonna end well. And he talked 152 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: about having to try and get those guys to be 153 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: able to match up in those games. I was also 154 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: down the field when you guys played Georgia and you 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: guys could go physically toe to toe with the top 156 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: of the SEC and that matchup was a fantastic game. 157 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: But you also had the skill. How do you go 158 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: about trying to balance that because I know when I 159 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: when you see USC over the last couple of years, 160 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: just body type wise, it did not look like it 161 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: was that same group that you're gonna have to go 162 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: through the Chase championship. Yeah, not a great question. I 163 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: And one of the things in evaluating this that this 164 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: this opportunity was I think we can build one of 165 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: the best rosters in the country here. I don't think 166 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: I know we can. I just that at this place again, 167 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: I think is starving for some momentum and some excitement, 168 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of that that exists 169 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: right now. And uh and I think that good administration 170 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: that's ready to invest and do anything, anything and everything 171 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: to to give us the tools that we need to 172 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: help to build that. And uh, I think if the 173 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: last you know, seven or eight days or any indication 174 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: it's off to you know, a great starts. And I 175 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: see as as college football is changing and a lot 176 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: of things are shifting, you know, you've gotta each program, 177 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: You've gotta hit your niche. You know, you gotta have 178 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: your thing that separates you or makes you different. And 179 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I think this is one of the most unique settings, 180 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: um and unique opportunities in college football, not just for 181 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: for coaches but for players. So my confidence level that 182 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: we can build a roster, uh, that that that will 183 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: be as good as anybody in the country is is 184 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: is very high. And it's because of the people here 185 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: and opportunities here. And uh, I think that's something that 186 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: can happen very quickly. You know, coach, as a high 187 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: school coach here, I'm very familiar with like the hot 188 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: bed of talent that is in this area, particularly at quarterbacks. 189 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: How pilling was it for you to come to southern 190 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: California just knowing how many skilled players and how many 191 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks come out of this area, So you can kind 192 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: of throw a fence around the backyard and still get 193 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: some of the top talent in the country. You know, 194 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: we were very comfortable recruiting this area, and we've had 195 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: some success here in the past, not not just in 196 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: signing guys, but guys have come to our programs have 197 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: been very successful. A lot of great relationships already out 198 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: here that have been great to uh, you know, it'll 199 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: be great to kind of continue forward, and a ton 200 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: of respect for the talent out here there. There's no question. 201 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's such a unique area for talent. There's 202 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: really good coaching, there's so many fantastic teams, programs. The 203 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: development of these kids is happening, um at a high 204 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: level right now. So yeah, and it's been very unique 205 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: for us there and that that you don't have to 206 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: travel a long way to see so many of these 207 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: great players. And that's that's been a little different at 208 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: the other stops that I've been at, so um, that 209 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: is it's a big part of it. I mean, and 210 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: and I think the thing for us has been let's 211 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: don't just assume that these guys want to come to 212 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: SC because it's SC. Let's let's give them. Let's give 213 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: them every reason to say, you know, why would I 214 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: go all the way across the country when I have 215 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: this sitting right here, Coach. I'm curious when when you 216 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: take this job, there's some you know, when you got it, 217 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: when you get a place I see and it's ruling. 218 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I think some people say you can almost select almost 219 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: as much as recruit. Have you. Guys reach out to you, 220 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: players reach out to you, other than just you reaching 221 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: out to them since you got the job. Um, I 222 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: would say, there's there's a lot of excitement about this place. 223 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: We think, regardless of how the last few years have went. 224 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: I think people know what this thing can and you 225 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: could argue should be and and and not just not 226 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: just people locally, you know, not just people in the 227 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: state of California. I mean I think across the country. 228 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I think still when when USC football comes across somebody's mind, 229 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: everybody knows the power and the opportunities there. And so 230 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: that's been very apparent here the last few days. And 231 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: just wait until we get it going, you know, coach, 232 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: And think about you getting a going. A lot of 233 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: our conversation has been on recruiting, but I would say 234 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: that maybe the most impressive part of what you were 235 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: able to do at your previous thought was the development 236 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: of players, particularly on offense. You're line in, your pass catch, 237 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: you you're running backs. What's the secret, sauce to getting 238 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: those guys to perform at a high level. I mean, 239 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: I think great, great people on your staff. I think 240 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: that's certainly number one. I think an approach that where 241 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: the staff is all on the same page. We we 242 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: have a belief system and the way we develop it's 243 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: very very specific and it's been tried and true. You know, 244 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: these guys here aren't going to be the guinea pigs. 245 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: We we have a something we very much believe in. 246 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: And uh, and then again, I think goes back to 247 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: the culture and the expectations that you set for the group. 248 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: And uh, our expectations will be extremely high, will be 249 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: very organized, and very good about making sure our players 250 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: have everything possible at their disposal to do it. And 251 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: then we're gonna hold hold them accountable on every single part. 252 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: And I think when you do those things and you 253 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: have great people and people that are willing to buy in, 254 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: how can you not improve and uh so, and it's 255 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: something we take Friday. And again, there's so many people 256 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: get caught up in in signing day or or even 257 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: on the flip side of for us, like where your 258 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: players get drafted and and those things are great, those 259 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: are important days. But more important to that to me 260 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: is like once you sign the guy, what do you 261 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: do with them? You know the did you never hear 262 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: from him again? Or does he does he really improve? 263 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: Or once your player gets drafted, that's great, it's a 264 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: great moment, but like what does he do with it? 265 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Was he ready? You know? Did he did he go 266 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: in there and produce? Did he get to that second contract? 267 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Like that? Those are those are things that that I 268 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: think we're very very invested in and take a lot 269 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: of pride in. I'm curious to coach about the quarterback position. 270 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: You've had such an unbelievable track record. We know all 271 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: the names and Heisman trophies and first overall picks. Um. 272 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: One of the things to me is I would think 273 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: would be a huge challenge for college coaches is as 274 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: you're bringing these guys into your program that you know 275 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: want to get on the field yesterday, to be able 276 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: to to be Hey, let's be competitive, let's compete every 277 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: day in practice, but have some patience here man, Like 278 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna develop you and get you better. How do 279 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: you kind of balance those two things with these young guys? Yeah, 280 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: now you're right. I mean, because you guys that that 281 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that UH aren't dying to get on the field, that 282 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: you don't want that. At the same time, there's gonna 283 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: be a sense of reality to it. Um. For me, 284 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: it probably helps that have had a couple of guys 285 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: you know of a guy that's probably gonna win the 286 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: MVP in the NFL this year. That set two years 287 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: for me. Um, you know, and and UH, I have 288 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: had a couple of guys kind of in that same 289 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: vein that they have really improved and and you know, 290 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: and and their patients as as UH has has been rewarded. 291 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. So UM, you know, teach 292 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: guy's own I certainly want competitors. UM. It is a 293 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: unique position because typical only one guy obviously can be 294 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: out there at a time. But I do think guys 295 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: can look at our track record and the success that 296 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: we've had and know that if you work and you 297 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: and you do earn that here that the opportunities are 298 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, coach, the opportunities are certainly pretty good, um, 299 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: some of them. Curiously, like the changing landscape of college football, 300 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: it seems like it's so transient in those things, and 301 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: so transfers and those things had been the new craze. 302 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: How hard is it for you to even consider bringing 303 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: people in when they are bouncing from other programs? How 304 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: do you do that character assessment to make sure that 305 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: they would be good fits for you and where you 306 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: want your new program to go. I think it's like 307 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: you said, I think you gotta look at each situation individually, 308 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, and you know why why is the player leaving? UM? 309 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: What are what are their goals? And leaving what do 310 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: they want to accomplish at the new spot? Um? And 311 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: And yeah it is it's maybe it's sometimes tough to 312 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: gauge if it's a fit. You know, We've been lucky 313 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: with some of the transfers through the years of maybe 314 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: a guy that we previously recruited or a guy that 315 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: we knew about and had some connections with, and obviously 316 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: that helps, But I think you got to really get 317 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: in depth to to what they're looking for and I think, 318 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, regardless of the the talent, the ability, if 319 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: what they're looking for doesn't match what you're trying to 320 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: do here, you've got to be willing to to not 321 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: go that way, even though you may be really tempted 322 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: by a guy that's flashy on tape. And uh, so 323 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: we'll keep it that way, especially especially here early when 324 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: getting this culture right is so important. Uh and so 325 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: it's mixed. You know, we've got to get the right ones. 326 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: We have to make sure that we don't bring in 327 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: the wrong ones. And that will be very, very key 328 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: for us. Because I've never had a chance to ask 329 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: you this, It's totally so off topic, but I've always 330 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: wanted to hit you on this question. How the scale 331 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: of one to ten? How pissed is Mike Leach when 332 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: you rush for like two fifty in a game? How mad? We? Uh? 333 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: We joke every time that we all got kicked out 334 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: of the air Raide family a long time ago. I think, uh, 335 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: not even rushing for two fifty. I think calling like 336 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: more than two run plays in a in a half. 337 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: You know that's funny, Coach. I want to ask you 338 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: like a football question because I've always been fascinated about this. 339 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: Like SC is always known for student body right and 340 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: student body left. But you've done a great job of 341 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: the GT counter stuff that you guys have always done 342 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, and I'm sure you continue to do it. 343 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Se Why is that so effective for you guys? Because 344 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: I hear coaches that I talked to talk about Man, 345 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: it's the hardest thing for them to stop is when 346 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: you guys are pulling the backside garden, tackling, running the ball, 347 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: and doing all the fancy stuff around. Yeah, we've been lucky. 348 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: We've had a we've had a creative group and been 349 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: able to develop some things in the run games that 350 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: have been great for us. That that scheme has been 351 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: a you know, a really a really good thing for us. 352 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: And um, you know, we've gotten good at it because 353 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: we've invested at it. Um, you know, at the previous place, 354 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: and it was it was something that was a little 355 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: new and unique. Now you see it quite a bit now, 356 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: but it's uh, um, Yeah, it's just something that we 357 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: continued to evolve and and again had a creative group 358 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: and some players that can handle it and execute it well. 359 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: And more than anything, I would say we were totally 360 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: invested in it and we did. It kind of started 361 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: off as a very situational run for us and something 362 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: that we kind of just drew up on the board 363 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: one day and involved into being um, you know, kind 364 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: of one of the bread and butter plays um in 365 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: our offense there at Oklahoma. So I certainly got a 366 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: lot of mileage out of it. It's not an easy 367 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: play to teach, but but it sure looks pretty when 368 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: it when it when it's run correctly, no doubt. Coach, 369 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: You've been super generous with your time today. Man. We're 370 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: excited to uh hopefully USC football get back rolling again 371 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: out here on the West coast. We always talked about 372 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: the the old days when we were rolling through. There 373 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: was a two day visit. Man. Uh, you had to 374 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: go in there and spent two full day study all 375 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: those guys much like you had it, Okahomer, So we're 376 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: looking forward to those guys. Yeah, we're gonna try to 377 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: like it that way. Yeah. Hey, I appreciate you, man, 378 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: best a lout coach will catch you later. Alright, sounds good, 379 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: thanks guys. Al Right, Buck, what do you what do 380 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: you think? Man? I definitely think that you can see 381 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a real quiet confidence that you 382 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: get when you talk to Lincoln Riley. Yeah, I mean, 383 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: I think he understands exactly the kind of job that 384 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: he took on. I think he's excited about the prospect 385 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of what he can build at SC. And I think 386 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: it was very very telling um the conversation when asking 387 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: the question, you phrased it like I was questioned the 388 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: physicality he believes in compared to what some guys believe it. 389 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting what he talked about because 390 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: I was curious in terms of, well, what is the 391 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: vision of this SC team. What are we going to 392 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: see from them when we watched them on the hoof? 393 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: At this going to be a team that throws it 394 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: around the yard of ton? Are they gonna get back 395 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: to basics so they can be kind of grimy and 396 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: dirty when need be to play against some of those 397 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: top teams that are typically in the playoffs. And so 398 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: I love when he talks about the culture, what he 399 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: wants to do in terms of being a blue collar 400 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: team that is also team first. I can't wait to 401 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: see what what happens when he does it, because I 402 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: think that's a lot of the similarity that we saw 403 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: when Pete Carroll had to think rolling at C. Yeah, 404 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys and you got to 405 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: it talking about all the GT stuff, But I mean, 406 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: this is one of the few programs where they've been 407 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: able to balance this kind of passing attack has some 408 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, air raid principles to it, but it's gone 409 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: beyond that. But then the run game has evolved much 410 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: beyond what Mike Leach was was doing. It's a more 411 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: physical approach. That was my kind of whole point and 412 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of what you were you were saying as well, 413 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: which is the USC has been kind of running the 414 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: air raid and they have not been physical at all 415 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmage and have been really creative 416 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: in the run games. So I think he kind of 417 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: can give you a little bit of the best of 418 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: both worlds. But one thing's got to change. And I think, 419 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna he's not gonna say anything 420 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: about their current roster, but you go out there and 421 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: body type those guys right now like that that ain't 422 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: gonna get it. You're not gonna be able to push 423 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: people around in the run game when you're built like that. 424 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: They got to get more bigger physical dudes. Yeah, there's 425 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: two ways to do it. When you've got to recruit 426 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: a different uh level of players, they have to look different. 427 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: And then too, you've got to develop them. And so 428 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I think it was very important that one of the 429 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: first moves that he made when he came over, his 430 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: strength coach was there until Barry Widey was there with him. 431 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: And so you know, man, when they talk about it, 432 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: the some will say the most important coach outside of 433 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: the head coach is a strength coach because he is 434 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: around the players more than anybody else in the program. 435 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: And so if you're going to build them up, now, 436 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: don't do you have to build them up physically, but 437 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: now you've got to flip their mindset and you gotta 438 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: flip the mentality of SC like where they go back 439 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: to having a championship caliber mindset. So all of that 440 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: is in it works, All this in play when Lincoln 441 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: Riley takes over. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna 442 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: be fun to watch USC and this transition. Big big 443 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: day coming up next week, Signing Day. I believe what 444 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: next Wednesday? Is that? Right? I mean, I mean they 445 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: got so many sign of days now I can't keep 446 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: up now. But I mean, now my whole thing. You 447 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: know this, this is another we won't go along on this, 448 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: but like one of the things I was thinking of 449 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: is is we talked about it a little bit. But 450 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: if I'm at USC offensive line wise, give me go 451 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: out in the in the group of five and go 452 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: and you can't actively it's not illegal. But if any 453 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: of those group of five, you know, really good players 454 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: that want to go in the transfer portal, uh, you 455 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: come on, come on over. So you're saying, maybe put 456 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: a help wanted sign on Twitter, like just kind of 457 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: get in the tweets, right, nothing specific, they're help group 458 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: of five? Oh well, like help wanted? Like, hey, you 459 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: started for you started for two years or three years 460 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: in the MAC and you're a really good player. You 461 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: can play your last year there, your last two years there. 462 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: You come on out here and uh and play with us. 463 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Like that to me is that if you want the 464 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: quick fix, that's the that's the quick fix. I mean, 465 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: we saw the fix. We saw how it worked in 466 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: Michigan State for mel Tucker. We've seen how other teams 467 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: have been able to utilize UM. The super seniors are 468 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: the grad transfers to help their teams. Like, I'm sure 469 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: it's something that they're looking at. I mean, look, there's 470 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: so many different things we have to address it all 471 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: on another pot, we've talked about the changing dynamics of 472 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: how do you build a program at the collegiate level. Uh. Yeah, 473 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: the high school recruiting has now kind of gone back 474 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of priority, and then it's 475 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: like those transfers and those other guys. It is a 476 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: different landscape, but to be interesting to see how it 477 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: all plays out, no doubt. Um, all right, well, we're 478 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna get back and talk about some quarterbacks and our rankings. 479 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna do that right after this, all right, Buck, 480 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: let's have some fun with us again. We're gonna be 481 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: talking about this on tonight's Thursday night game between the 482 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: Steelers and the Vikings. So we're talking about Kirk Cousins 483 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: and the topic came up, is Kirk Cousins a top 484 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. And anytime you have those discussions, Um, you know, 485 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I think it's always important that you actually put the 486 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: names down right because it's easy to say how many 487 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: times when we're getting ready for draft prep, how many 488 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: times it drives me nuts. Right, this guy's the first 489 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: round pick. This guy's the first round. They can't be 490 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: fifty first round picks like that. That's not possible. So 491 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: list them out, tell me who they are. I mean, look, 492 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: it's a great conversation because at the end of the day, 493 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: you have to be able to have a cut off line. 494 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: You have to have a standard and a procedure when 495 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: it comes to evaluating these guys. Um, if you want 496 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: to just get right into it, I am yeah, I say, 497 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: I say, I say. Let's do it this way. So 498 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: we we've each put down our top ten. Okay, so 499 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: why don't you go one through five? Right, We'll start 500 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: the very top, go through one through five. I'll react 501 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: a little bit, we'll have that conversation. I'll give you 502 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: my top five, and then we'll round out from there. Okay, Okay. 503 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Then this is weird because I would not have anticipated 504 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: this being the order heading into the season. But the 505 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: order is what the order is. So I'm gonna go 506 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: number one. I'm gonna go Tom Brady to and Rodgers, three, 507 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes for Justin Herbert, five Josh Allen. Okay, I 508 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: like that, And now I think it's important that we 509 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: say kind of the criteria, you know, it's this, Are 510 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: you talking about where they are at this moment in time? 511 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: Who you'd want from here going forward? Is it just this, 512 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: you know, this body of work. That explain to me 513 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: how you came up with it. So the way I 514 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: came up with it, I'm thinking about right now, like 515 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: who is playing the best right now? And oh my goodness, 516 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: I actually left somebody off that I now regret leaving off. 517 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: But that's okay. I can make a little scratch there 518 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: in the top five. It makes sure end I put 519 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: him in there now. I won't put him in top 520 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: I because he's missed him many games, but I forgot 521 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: to write down Calamari. Okay, yeah, you gotta get him. 522 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: You gotta w he have been in your top five 523 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: though he'd been close. He's missed three games, he'd been close. 524 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: But he might be perfectly where I have in position 525 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: right now. He might be perfectly positioned. So I'm good. 526 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm good with him right on outside. So the way 527 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: that I came up with my list was I I said, okay, 528 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: let's look at if if we've got to win a 529 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: game tomorrow based off of what we know right now, 530 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: this would be the order of which I would take 531 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: these guys to go win me that game tomorrow. You know, 532 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: it could be again whoever you're playing against. Um. It's 533 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: so it's like almost kind of like a trust factor 534 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: that I that I place in that to see where 535 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: we go. So I think we have the exact same 536 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: guys in our top five, just a little different order. 537 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: So I've got Aaron Rodgers number one. I've got Tom 538 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: Brady number two. I've got Pat Mahomes number three, I've 539 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: got Josh Allen four, and then I've got Herbert five. 540 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: So those are all all those guys up there in 541 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: the top five, And I think you can make a 542 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: strong case. Really I think Rogers and Brady, if we're 543 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: thinking trust factor, go win as the game tomorrow. These 544 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: guys don't. They don't lay eggs buck like. There's just 545 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: very few bad outings. Whereas I think you can look 546 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: through Mahomes, Alan and Herbert put in whatever order that 547 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: you want. They're all supremely talented, but they've all had 548 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: some you know, misfires this year. You know, we had 549 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: games that haven't quite been at their best. So that's 550 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: why I'm not you know, I'm not gonna fight hard 551 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: on the order of those next three guys. But I 552 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: do think that if you had to play a game tomorrow, 553 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: I think those first two guys would be the guys 554 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: you would trust over anybody else. Yeah. I also think 555 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: the common and nominated between the first two guys and 556 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: really the rest of guys on the list availability DJ 557 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: we we talked about it is one of those things 558 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: that maybe we don't talk about enough when we're doing shows, 559 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: um in terms of like franchise quarterbacks and evaluating position. 560 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: But when you anoint somebody the franchise quarterback and you 561 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: kind of put all your eggs in that basket, your 562 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: expectations that he's gonna be available for seventeen games. I mean, 563 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: that's just the way that we view it because it's 564 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: the most important position. We dedicate everything to the quarterback. 565 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: They get all the reps and all the other stuff. 566 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: And so I think one of the things is not 567 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: only the consistency of performance that you talked about with 568 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: Brady and Rogers, but the fact that those guys show 569 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: up each and every Sunday. And so I think there's 570 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: a value to knowing, Hey, man, my quarterback is always 571 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: going to be there. That always gives us an opportunity 572 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: to win before we even kick it off. Yeah. No, 573 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: I think it's a good point. I just think also 574 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: you look at just the experience factor with Rogers and Brady, 575 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: whatever order you want to put those top two guys, 576 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: they've just seen so much. They're older guys, they've been 577 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: through through more wars. So I think with Mahomes, Allen 578 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: and Herbert just gaining more experience as you go along. Um. 579 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: But I say all this, man, if you talk about 580 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: at their ceiling, like if if you get the best 581 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: version of all these players, um, now you probably flip it. 582 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: You flip it. Those other three guys launch up to 583 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: the top, and I think you can put those in 584 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: whatever order you want. Yeah, I think I think you 585 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: have to talk about that because when you talk about 586 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: at their best at this ende, you're gonna talk about 587 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: the young guys that are supremely talented. I do think 588 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: there is a common denominator between Mahomes, Herbert, and Alan. 589 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: Not only are they supremely talented, like arm talent, they're 590 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: athletic and as the game is trending to um like 591 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: these explosive pass rushers and dominant defensive tackles that are 592 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: number that can do some things. You have to have 593 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: a quarterback that can get off the spot. I'm not 594 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: saying that he needs to be a quote unquote runner, 595 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: but he has to be able to move around and create. 596 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: He needs to be a creator. I think that is 597 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: the thing that we're thinking about it at the Quarterbacks Live, 598 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um. All right, so we've got that. We've 599 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: got the same top five names. The order was a 600 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: little bit different. So let's now we get into the 601 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: interesting part because this all arose from is Kirk Cousins 602 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback? So now we need name sixth 603 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: through ten? Here, Buck, what you got? Okay? Name six 604 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: through ten? So now Cayler Murray would go right there 605 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: because he was just below the line. I have Cayler Murray, 606 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: I have Dak Prescott, I have Derek Carr, I have 607 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, and then I have the ultimate debate, right 608 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: and the debate for me at number ten is Matthew 609 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: Stafford or Carson Wentz because it depends on I know, 610 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: and that's me coming full circle around on Carson Wentz. 611 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: But like DJ, when I look at him, and he 612 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: is a He's still a flawed player, like in terms 613 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: of like what I like it to look a little 614 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: cleaner and sharper and um maybe pristine, yes, But then 615 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: when I look at the season that he's having and 616 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: and watching their games, look, man, he is doing what 617 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: he did in North Dakota State. When he's able to 618 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: play this way they got to run a game, he 619 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: is able to kind of manage it. He makes a 620 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: handful of plays and even though he's now the clunky 621 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: athlete instead of the explosive athlete that he was, Um, 622 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: there's some effectiveness to his game that I like. My 623 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: issue with Matthew Stafford, and why it's the debate now, 624 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: is when it was clean for Matthew Stafford early in 625 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: the year, it was great, right, Like he's like an artist. 626 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: He can throw it on time and this and that. 627 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: When it got muddy, his game has kind of fallen apart. 628 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: And so that's where I'm stuck because both of these 629 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: guys are kind of flawed. But as which flaws are 630 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: you willing to live with more the artistic flaws that 631 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: my man Matthew Stafford has or the clunky bonehead decisions 632 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: that Carson Wentz going to make that clouds some of 633 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: the good stuff that he also does. So give me 634 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: again here six or ten so I can write him 635 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: down to make sure. So Calamari, Dak Prescott, Derek Carr, 636 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. And in the debate that I just had 637 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford and Carson Wentz, so who did you 638 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: end up picking then? With that at the end, I mean, 639 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with the artistic version of 640 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, but I wanted to have that conversations with 641 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: mat Carson Wentz says, I used to dump on him 642 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: for so long, and he has played much better this 643 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: year than he did in previous years. Okay, so interesting. 644 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: I want to get to mine and then we'll kind 645 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: of compare here. I still put I know he has 646 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: not played this year, but I still put Deshaun Watson 647 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: in So if you would be he would be in 648 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: there for you if you were making him eligible. I 649 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: put him at number six um and kind of a 650 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: wild card obviously hopefully everything you know, we'll well, we'll 651 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: just let sit back. It looks like the team E 652 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 1: D T B D on that one. Talent wise as 653 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: a football player. I put him at number six, Kyler 654 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: I put after that. See I put Russell Wilson next. 655 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: Now I know, since the finger he's played terrible. I 656 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: put Russell there because I think that's how we have 657 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: a different criteria though, because to me, I say, okay, 658 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: fully healthy and I have to win a game tomorrow. 659 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Who do I trust? I would trust. I still would 660 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: trust Russ more than I would trust Dak, car you know, Lamar, 661 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: all those guys. I would trust Russell Wilson if healthy. 662 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it's his finger. Look at that thing. 663 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: It's I'll get a pin in that thing. A couple 664 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Um, then I had Dak and then 665 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: I have Lamar's number ten. So the names you had 666 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: and there I did not have car Um, and I 667 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: did not have Stafford. So those are the two different ones. 668 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: So I had Watson and and Wilson, and you had 669 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: a Car and Stafford, but Cousins didn't make the list. See, 670 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: I would take Cousins over car personally. But that's a 671 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: good conversation. That's a good conversation. I think there's kind 672 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: of like the same player, you know, I guess so 673 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: if I say that, then I should have probably had 674 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: cousins much I think, I think, I think cart all 675 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: those guys at the bottom, and look, I'm gonna be honest, 676 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I gave Lamar Jackson a mulligan based 677 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: on how he's played, particularly of late, like the most 678 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: recent version, a top ten quarterback number ten, And that 679 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: was not that if I mean that that that was 680 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: that was a very generous thing for me to put 681 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: him in that thing, because he has not played like that. Now, 682 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: he has won games, and he has had some tackul 683 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: the things at moments, but he certainly has not been 684 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: what we've seen him be in previous years. I'll be honest. 685 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: The Russell Wilson thing was an oversight. Like when I'm 686 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: going down the list and I'm looking, I'm looking at 687 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: stats and I'm looking at all this, his name is Yeah, 688 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: he has not played well. He doesn't look like himself 689 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: since he came back, and and he hasn't been like that. 690 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: And there is a bit of the thing. However, he 691 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: should be a top ten things. So I will make 692 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: an admission to say that he should be a top 693 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: t him player based on any criteria that you use. 694 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: But I mean it is almost one of those things 695 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind, and then when you 696 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: do see it, it hasn't been pretty, even though he 697 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: is coming off one of the better performances of his season, uh, 698 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: the way he played against the San Francisco forty nine. 699 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: So now I would have Cousins coming in within the 700 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: next couple you know, I would probably take I would 701 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: take Burrow. I would take Burrow over over Kirk, but 702 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: he you know, Stafford Stafford and Cousins to me, I 703 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: don't think people look at that is similar I think 704 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: there's some similarities there. I think both guys put up 705 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: big numbers and you can argue about how they've been 706 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: in big moments, but um that that's a coin flip. 707 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: But I'm what I'm getting at is Cousins to me 708 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: comes in that eleven to thirteen fourteen range, which then 709 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: which gets me to my question. We're gonna talk about 710 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: this in the game tonight. I believe it's uh thirty 711 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: five million guaranteed for next year and a forty five 712 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: million dollar cap hit uh for the Vikings. So you 713 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: kind of need to decide are we going to extend 714 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: him out going forward or how are you going to 715 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: navigate this and people say, how did the world do 716 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: they give him a third contract? They haven't won anything 717 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: since he's been there, And I sit there and go, 718 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: I get that their defense stinks. They're not good on defense, 719 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: and he's playing like a top fourteen quarterback. Where are you? 720 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: Where are you magically finding an upgrade? That's my question. Yeah, 721 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: I think you almost have to take that thirty five 722 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: number out of it this year because like that's kind 723 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: of standard fair Like. I think that's like what we 724 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: used to think about. Thirty five million dollars. Thirty five 725 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: million dollars is like right at the top ten ish thing. 726 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: I think the line is top ten because I think 727 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: everyone thereafter it's going to be a thirty or five 728 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: million dollar quarterback. Um, nothing with the Minnesota Vikings and 729 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: Kurk Cousins. The first thing you have to do with survey, 730 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Let's look at the landscape and see what else is 731 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: out there? M hm, Djane, I mean, I don't know 732 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: if you can get an upgrade. Now. The tricky part 733 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: is can you bite the bullet and whole firm and 734 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: just say, like, look, man, we have to live with 735 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: this forty million dollar capit for years we got to 736 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: live with a four years before we can make a decision, 737 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: because if you extend it, man, then it just kind 738 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: of prolongs the situation. Do it like you can build 739 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: a thing around it. I I think I think you 740 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: might need to just pay the bill. So if you 741 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: pay the bill, you're gonna have to do some roster 742 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: trimming around it. And maybe that's kind of a tear 743 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: down process, you know, like maybe that is a new coach, 744 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a new kind of regime. There. You tear 745 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: it down and you've got to swallow this number the 746 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: next year before you really move forward, you know, at 747 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: that point in time. But that's the decision they're going 748 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: to have to make, right, How do you want to 749 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: want some If you want some relief, you look at 750 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: your window. Do we think we have a window to 751 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: win something now? Then we we extend him and we 752 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: try and keep this train moving. If you say this 753 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: is not going to happen in the next couple of years, 754 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: the rest of our rosters not good enough, then I 755 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: think you're what you're saying makes a lot of sense. 756 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: How you wanna pay for a cash or credit? That's 757 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: when they have to make a decision they want to 758 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: pay now or do you want to pay later? But 759 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: either way they have to pay and they have to 760 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: pay them. When you look at the team though, here's 761 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: what I would say, Uh, obviously they're best players right 762 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: now on the offensive side of the ball with Kurt 763 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: uh the two receivers, the running back. Um, you might 764 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: have to flip it. And maybe if you make a 765 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: move um with the hair coach, and I'm not advocating 766 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: that to do it, but if you make a move 767 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: with a hair coach, maybe bring in a guy with 768 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: a little more offensive centric focus. Maybe the offense becomes 769 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: your best defense because now you make a commitment to 770 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: light it up, we're gonna be dynamic on offense and 771 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: then trying to figure out a way to do it. Yeah, look, 772 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: there's a big decision for the Minnesota Vikings, and tune 773 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: in tonight because we're gonna talk about a bunch during 774 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: the broadcast. Might even bring in our buddy Jim Naggie 775 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl to get his opinion on it 776 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: as well. But you can find us twitch dot tv, slash, 777 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: move the sticks. Come join us, we'll continue this conversation. 778 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: All right, Block, this is a fun one man looking 779 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: forward to tonight get together a little Thursday night football, 780 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a good one, and then looking forward 781 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: to a Army Navy this weekend. Right, you know, I 782 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: love looking at that. Maybe maybe in the game right 783 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse, like we get a chance to see that. 784 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: But now, that's a great robbery. It's one of the 785 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: things just on the bucket list. I would love to 786 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: go and attend that game. I think the pageantry, I 787 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: think the robbery, the tradition um listening in to the 788 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: pressors hen Jeff Munk and talk about the importance of 789 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: that robbery. I'm kind of jealous because, like even at 790 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina, I'm sure if state, Like, it's one thing 791 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: to have a rival, it's another thing to have a 792 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: ribbalry game to the I mean, it is on a 793 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: different people all over the globe glued in yeah with us. 794 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: So I can't wait to Yeah, I can't wait to 795 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: see what it looks like. Yeah, the app State Western 796 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: Carolina rivalry did not have the Battle for the Mountain 797 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: jug The Battle for the Old Mountain didn't quite have 798 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: as much juice as Army Navy close. Oh by the way, dude, 799 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: I was at UH at the Charger game in Cincinnati, 800 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: and the guy who was the s I d at 801 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: APP when I was there, Kelby Stiler. I didn't know 802 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: he was gonna be at the game. I haven't seen 803 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: him at twenty years. Came into the press box and uh, 804 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: he brought an old app State Media Guide, so he 805 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: gave it to me. So and Money. You know, Money's 806 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: up there and he's just cracking up laughing because he's 807 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: reading through all these nuggets. I said, Man, they way 808 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: too many times they wrote in there like had a 809 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: hundred yard passing game against a hundred yard passing game. 810 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: I did have two. I did have two hundred yard 811 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: rushing games though, uh so firm and UH in Chattanooga, 812 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: I went for over a buck. But yeah, the passing, 813 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: the passing stats not great, not great at It's about 814 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: the winds, though, just about the winds sound different. It's 815 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: about the winds. Mac Jones through the ball three times 816 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: on Monday night and where him as one of the 817 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: best to ever do it. So where it goes you 818 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: could see you could see some hints of the highlights 819 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: in my hair too, the frosted tips. I knew, well, 820 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: it didn't start out as a frosted tip move. It 821 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: was everybody on the bunch of guys in the team. 822 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: We all died all of our hair blond. But then 823 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: as your hair grows out and you cut it, now 824 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: you look like in sync. Yeah, that's where it was. 825 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was thinking it was a en 826 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: sync Backstreet Boy. That's what it ended up looking like. 827 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: It started off though, because I had longer hair, and 828 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: then it looked like it was I looked like carrot 829 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: top because it died it was kind of orange. And 830 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: then uh, so then I shaved it down short, and 831 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: then I looked like I was an extra eminem video 832 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: and then uh and then and then it grew out 833 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: and I turned into Lance Bass. So I don't know what. Yeah, 834 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: yeah that that that that works. There were the Backstreet 835 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: Boys all yeah, oh yeah, all right, anything else you 836 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: want a before we get out here. I'm not man 837 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: excited looking forward to the Thursday game, looking forward to 838 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: the games this weekend, particularly the Army Navy game that 839 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: we talked about. That should be a fun one, no doubt. 840 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys hanging with us. By the way, 841 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: I haven't asked for this in a while, But if 842 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: you if you do want to do us a solid here, 843 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: go on on Apple Podcast, leave us a rating and review. 844 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: We do appreciate those, so again, throw some questions in 845 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: there too. You have a checked that. In a while, 846 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: we'll check it out and see if we can help 847 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: out with some answers. There. Draft seasons almost here, trust me, 848 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: tons of draft content coming your way here shortly. We 849 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys. We'll see you next time right here on. 850 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: Move the sticks.