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Speaker 1: is Barrett Stover, who is the owner of Revolution sp
Speaker 1: He trains a ton of professional athletes, from baseball players
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Speaker 1: here's our conversation with Barrett Stover.
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Speaker 2: You do a lot of baseball training, right correct?
Speaker 1: What uh what types of stuff are you trying to
Speaker 1: unlock with the body with baseball?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I grew up playing baseball and that's where
Speaker 3: my passion was and got me into training. The whole
Speaker 3: rotational sports thing. And I'm sure we'll get to the
Speaker 3: golf part of this a little bit later, but you know,
Speaker 3: with rotational athletes, it's it's a lot of similar movements
Speaker 3: as far as we're concerned with training athletes where you
Speaker 3: need hit mobility, you need uh strong shoulders, especially the
Speaker 3: smaller muscles in the orders. You need to obviously be
Speaker 3: able to rotate well, separate hip and shoulder separation, you know,
Speaker 3: everything from the toes. The head needs to be strong
Speaker 3: and move and move well. So when we're looking at that,
Speaker 3: we're also specifically with baseball, concentrating obviously on the shoulder
Speaker 3: and the elbow, making sure that those are safe as possible.
Speaker 3: So a lot of it has to do with thoracic
Speaker 3: movement as well, upper back, shoulder blades and making sure
Speaker 3: that the athlete can actually like reach overhead without a
Speaker 3: lot of other compensations going on. And then depending usually
Speaker 3: the lead leg hip, we want to make sure that
Speaker 3: that you can land and rotate into that hip really well,
Speaker 3: and off the backside load and rotate off that backside
Speaker 3: really well as well.
Speaker 1: So as kind of golf, what are some other rotational sports.
Speaker 3: Softball, tennis, cricket you could throw in there. You know,
Speaker 3: all sports have a rotational aspect. You know, even if
Speaker 3: you think of alignment pulling around the corner for running back,
Speaker 3: then he's going to rotate out of his stance and
Speaker 3: start and start moving that way before he starts moving,
Speaker 3: you know, sprinting literally, and he's gonna have lateral movement
Speaker 3: as well. So there are aspects of all sports. But
Speaker 3: really anything where you're swinging an object or throwing an
Speaker 3: object is gonna be more rotational. Volleyball can kind of
Speaker 3: fall into that as well, where it's a lot of
Speaker 3: jumping and diving a lot of forward and backward movement,
Speaker 3: but you're also swinging your arm, you're rotating after you jump.
Speaker 3: So all sports have some rotational components on it. They're
Speaker 3: the ones that we think about like golf, baseball, softball, tennis,
Speaker 3: you know, those those specific rotating sports.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the shoulder and the elbow with with
Speaker 1: baseball is particular like kind of safety points of emphas
Speaker 1: may make sure they you know, obviously those are.
Speaker 2: High risk injury areas.
Speaker 1: Like in golf, what what are the muscle groups that
Speaker 1: you're that you are are areas that buy you folk
Speaker 1: us most sign so.
Speaker 3: The biggest one with golf and specifically well it gets
Speaker 3: into professionals as they get a little bit older. But
Speaker 3: in the average golfer that's a desk jockey has a
Speaker 3: nine to five job, it's low back, right, So you know,
Speaker 3: when we look at low backs, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things that feed into low back issues. Hip position is
Speaker 3: a big one. What can the usually the side of
Speaker 3: the injury is not the actual problem, It just takes
Speaker 3: the blunt of the issue at the compensation. So when
Speaker 3: we're looking at someone that has a low back problem,
Speaker 3: it's usually the hips or the upper back, depending on
Speaker 3: what they can or cannot do with either one. And
Speaker 3: when we're looking at golf, it's usually a lack of
Speaker 3: rotation through the hips and the upper back, and so
Speaker 3: they rotate a lot through their lower back, and the
Speaker 3: lower back can rotate some, but it's more made to
Speaker 3: flexni extend. So that's when people start grinding on those discs,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, usually like L four, L five
Speaker 3: is a big one that a lot of people have
Speaker 3: hurt and that they end up just just grind the
Speaker 3: two vertebrate literally grind on the disc until it pops
Speaker 3: and compress the disc. And that's where you hear people
Speaker 3: say like, oh, I blew out a disk or have
Speaker 3: a bulging disc, and that's usually from lack of rotating
Speaker 3: through the hips or the upper back, and that's a
Speaker 3: simplified version.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting that you say, I've this last year,
Speaker 1: I had like my first back issues and all I've
Speaker 1: been doing all winter is stretching like hips and everything,
Speaker 1: and and like you can feel the pain start to
Speaker 1: go away, but it takes a lot of time. What
Speaker 1: I guess for that regular guy, what are the best
Speaker 1: things they can do that are light lifts in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, I go say, I go work in
Speaker 1: an office every day. What are and I don't I
Speaker 1: got kids, I don't necessarily have like all the time
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: What are the easiest things you can do to kind of.
Speaker 3: Like a thirty minute type deal or something to kind.
Speaker 2: Of yah, maybe maybe even less.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, I know there's tons of stuff that
Speaker 3: you can do at home, and maybe we can work
Speaker 3: on maybe like a little bit of video series or
Speaker 3: something so I can walk through these tags and videos
Speaker 3: for this sort of thing. So so everyone, I'm a
Speaker 3: very visual person. So when someone talks me through something,
Speaker 3: I'm like, great, now show me, because I have nothing
Speaker 3: really comprehended of what you just said. So the main
Speaker 3: thing with that is that the ham strings and abs
Speaker 3: become long and weak. So that and that leads to
Speaker 3: the low back being short and tight. So we're constantly
Speaker 3: compressing on the disc because we're stuck in low back extension.
Speaker 3: So again Sparkano's version would be to strengthen the ham
Speaker 3: strings and the abdominals. That would be the quickest way
Speaker 3: to do it. And while if you're going to stretch anything,
Speaker 3: stretch the quads and the hip flexers. So we also
Speaker 3: don't just douce any type of static stretching. We have
Speaker 3: some specific ways that we stretch where we're always activating
Speaker 3: either the same muscle group or the antagonists the opposite
Speaker 3: muscle group. So we'll usually if we do some type
Speaker 3: of hip flexer or quad stretch, we'll go right into
Speaker 3: a hip extension exercise where we're working glutes, your butt
Speaker 3: or your hamstrings.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about stretching the one while you're activating
Speaker 1: the other, you're antagonists.
Speaker 2: What's the purpose of that. I'm just.
Speaker 3: So if we just lengthen the muscle that's short and tight.
Speaker 3: It's the main thing is it's going to be a
Speaker 3: short term fix. So you get up from stretching, you
Speaker 3: feel great, right, You're like, oh wow, I'm so loose
Speaker 3: in limber. Everything feels you know, it feels feel like
Speaker 3: a million bucks again. You know, the tightness has gone.
Speaker 3: Research has shown status stretching results usually last around twenty
Speaker 3: minutes and then you're right back to the position you're
Speaker 3: in before. So in order to hold the position, if
Speaker 3: something short and tight, we want to loosen it up
Speaker 3: so that our body can move like it's supposed to.
Speaker 3: But then we want to do something to hold that position.
Speaker 3: So then we'll look at the hips like we go
Speaker 3: from I'm using atomical terms here, but well, for hip
Speaker 3: flex are short and tight, will be an anterior public tilt,
Speaker 3: which is like sticking your butt up and out. And
Speaker 3: then if we so if we open that up, we
Speaker 3: want to take the hips in the post to your
Speaker 3: public tilt, which is like rolling your hips under, so
Speaker 3: you're rounding your low back and teach the body how
Speaker 3: to hold that position. So now we're bringing it more
Speaker 3: into a neutral position and holding it there and strengthening
Speaker 3: the other side, pulling the muscles, using the muscles to
Speaker 3: pull the hips into the right position. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: So we're actually like holding the position instead of just
Speaker 3: being like, oh, I found this new position, but I
Speaker 3: don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 1: I'm a visual person also, but what you're describing kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me a little bit of more of a
Speaker 1: yoga style pose than a you know, like a yoga
Speaker 1: style stretch. Then just say, hey, I'm just gonna bend
Speaker 1: down and touch my toes.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, so yeah, And then if you've been down
Speaker 3: touching your toes, you're just stretching out your post, your chain,
Speaker 3: your hamstrings and little back and that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: which again could be appropriate for some people, but the
Speaker 3: majority people benefit more from stretching the front side and
Speaker 3: strengthening the back side.
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting that you say when you're when
Speaker 1: you're having back problems and everybody talks about you, think
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I'm as stretch my hamstrings, but your
Speaker 1: hamstrings are actually like long and weak, So you're correct, like,
Speaker 1: so you're strengthening them when you're doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'll try to find some pictures and put
Speaker 3: them on Twitter and maybe you can tweet them out
Speaker 3: so we can I can show you this because I know,
Speaker 3: like I can picture in my head obviously this is
Speaker 3: what I do for a living. For the average guy,
Speaker 3: I imagine that you don't have too many people and
Speaker 3: your majority listeners aren't majors and extra science. So so
Speaker 3: the idea is that your hamstering attaches to the bottom
Speaker 3: of your pelvis to think like bottom of your butt cheek,
Speaker 3: and so if the bottom of the butt is rotated up,
Speaker 3: it's going to lengthen it's going to pull the hamstring
Speaker 3: into a longer position. Can you visualize that a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So from that from pulling it, it's going to pull
Speaker 3: and make it longer because the distance between the attachment
Speaker 3: point and the insertion point becomes greater. And so if
Speaker 3: that happens, they're gonna feel tight because they're pulled tight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So if we're already, if we're already like
Speaker 3: if you already stretch, you're already in a stretching position,
Speaker 3: and then you try to go deeper in the position,
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, this, I feel this a lot more. So, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're already stretched stretching some. So if we can then
Speaker 3: take that and strengthen it and make that a little
Speaker 3: bit shorter and stronger, it should pull the pelvist back
Speaker 3: into position and get it in the in the proper
Speaker 3: in a neutral position, so that we have the hip
Speaker 3: flexer and quad and button hamstrings working together and and
Speaker 3: equally as supposed, that one being one being super strong
Speaker 3: in the lm being very weak.
Speaker 1: So static stretching versus you know, like active active stretching
Speaker 1: is one myth. Like sports sciences has come a long
Speaker 1: way in the last say decade, really.
Speaker 3: Even finally starting to catch up in golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well golf's always ten years behind everything. So that's
Speaker 1: what What would you say are some of the other
Speaker 1: myths out there with it, maybe specifically for golf or
Speaker 1: just general fitness.
Speaker 3: Well, for golf, the big one is that like lifting
Speaker 3: weights is going to make you immobile or tighten you up,
Speaker 3: or you know, leave you unable to swing a golf club.
Speaker 3: And that's something that I've tried to probably put more
Speaker 3: stuff out there, but really dispel that myth. The great
Speaker 3: thing is we have guys like Brooks and a few
Speaker 3: other guys that are taking their weight training very seriously
Speaker 3: and they're also really good at golf, right, And for
Speaker 3: some reason Tiger didn't. Tiger was that guy, and then
Speaker 3: Tiger got hurt and everyone blamed weight he trained too hard. Well,
Speaker 3: Tiger did a lot of things in his life that
Speaker 3: probably led to that outside of what a certified strength
Speaker 3: conditioning coach who had the proper credentials and knew what
Speaker 3: they're talking about told him to do, Like the training correct. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's one thing. You know. You read that article
Speaker 3: where he's running miles upon miles and boots and doing
Speaker 3: seal training, You're like, and then he's purposely trying to
Speaker 3: get more extension in his left knee and his swing
Speaker 3: to create more power. Well, something's got to give, and
Speaker 3: athletes are the best compensators. Tiger's one of the best
Speaker 3: athletes we've ever seen. So he's going to compensate better
Speaker 3: than anyone, and therefore he's gonna get the movement from
Speaker 3: the knee or the back, whether it's whether it wants
Speaker 3: to or not. So just this whole idea that lifting
Speaker 3: makes you tight and makes you bulky, Uh, it's completely false.
Speaker 3: If you go and you lift with like Arnold, then
Speaker 3: he might get tight and muscle bound. If you get
Speaker 3: on some type of steroid package, then yes, you might
Speaker 3: get a little tight and muscle as well. But if
Speaker 3: you're doing if you're seeing someone that knows what they're
Speaker 3: talking about, and you're getting stronger, then you should be
Speaker 3: able to move better as well. So the way we
Speaker 3: describe mobility as its strength and flexibility together mobility, if
Speaker 3: you could move really well and you're really weak, it's
Speaker 3: just as dangerous as being strong and not being able
Speaker 3: to move. So I guess that's another myth too where
Speaker 3: guys just worry so much about mobility is oh, you know,
Speaker 3: my ta spine isn't mobile, And it's like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: well you can't. You can't squat one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: five pounds for free reps either, you can't deadlift two
Speaker 3: twenty five like fix fix the low hanging fruit first
Speaker 3: and then worry about your tea spy mobility. And just
Speaker 3: a little little proof of that is we had a
Speaker 3: kid that played golf at a Division one school. He
Speaker 3: works at the Golf Channel now actually produces my produces
Speaker 3: my podcast Ashton Nix, And he came in here and
Speaker 3: I said, I'd like to do an experiment on you,
Speaker 3: and he's like, all right, whatever, man. So I put
Speaker 3: him on a bodybuilding program for three months and we
Speaker 3: measured his We measured him his club at speed, you
Speaker 3: know distance everything on a flight scope before he started
Speaker 3: working out. And then after three months and he was
Speaker 3: up five miles an hour on clubhet speed. And it
Speaker 3: was like, like I would not if someone, if a
Speaker 3: golfer came in is like this is the workout you're doing,
Speaker 3: I'd I'd tear it up, be like we need to
Speaker 3: start over. It was zero rotation, it was no frontal play,
Speaker 3: movement side to side. It was straight like beach body,
Speaker 3: get big workout, and there wasn't I have to look back.
Speaker 3: I think there was like one or two hip mobility
Speaker 3: things in there and that was it. But it was
Speaker 3: just straight lifting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so would a better way to describe I guess
Speaker 1: golf training. Everybody I like getting stronger, but is getting
Speaker 1: more explosive?
Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's a great way. I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: for sure one way to do it. The huge terms
Speaker 3: functional fitness these days, you know functional strength, which way
Speaker 3: overplayed because then if you just put anything into a
Speaker 3: golf movement, it's functional which is also a little bit
Speaker 3: of a pet peeve of mine. But yeah, if you
Speaker 3: become more explosive than strength, is the power of that
Speaker 3: explosion equation, right? You know, I want to move mass
Speaker 3: as fast as possible, so moving a lot of mass
Speaker 3: a little bit slower should help with explosiveness, just like
Speaker 3: moving a little mass really fast should help with exposiveness.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that would be a good way to say. So.
Speaker 1: Something we've touched on this a little bit with you know,
Speaker 1: the beach body workout versus you know, getting a little
Speaker 1: rotation in it. Something I was I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about was the idea of specialization versus like kind of
Speaker 1: generic training where where maybe you play a lot of sports,
Speaker 1: you know, may your kid or like I remember that
Speaker 1: the best golf I've played, like as an amateur, you know,
Speaker 1: was when I was playing a ton of basketball, and
Speaker 1: I felt like it really helped because there was a
Speaker 1: lot of quick twitch and my legs were stronger than ever.
Speaker 1: But that was a completely different sport, right, But with
Speaker 1: today's day and age, with the specialization, is there value
Speaker 1: in doing you know, playing you know, doing other activities
Speaker 1: that might have kind of residual impacts or is it
Speaker 1: just best to just specialize?
Speaker 3: For sure at early age it's better. This is a
Speaker 3: tough question because it really depends on the person. If
Speaker 3: you have a twelve some people just wire different. If
Speaker 3: you have a twelve year old just loves golf, loves baseball,
Speaker 3: loves basketball, whatever the sport is, and they have no
Speaker 3: desire to do anything else, then I don't really have
Speaker 3: a problem. You know, to let the kid play back
Speaker 3: a lot of basketball, but you should be doing something
Speaker 3: to offset that. And that's where the strength and conditioning
Speaker 3: field is kind of filled in over the last couple
Speaker 3: of years, is that it's become the extra sport. So
Speaker 3: you know, if you're a golfer and you just love
Speaker 3: golf and you can't get away from it, and you
Speaker 3: don't like basketball, you don't like baseball, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, that's fine, but let's also supplement some
Speaker 3: things in to where you know, the parents should know
Speaker 3: better than the kid. Where he doesn't need to hit,
Speaker 3: you know, spend an hour on the range three hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year. Maybe it's a month
Speaker 3: or two where he doesn't touch a club and he
Speaker 3: just looks really heavy. It works out really hard, and
Speaker 3: then that's also supplemented into this workout, into his training
Speaker 3: regiment the rest of the year as well. But for
Speaker 3: the most part, yes, it is better to play sports
Speaker 3: at a younger age. It gives you a better movement library.
Speaker 3: Is one phrase that we use in our company to say,
Speaker 3: you know, like if you're in basketball, you're putting in
Speaker 3: a lot of different positions where you have to control
Speaker 3: your body. You have to explode out of those sort
Speaker 3: of things where if you just swing a golf club
Speaker 3: all the time, the only time you're in a different
Speaker 3: position is if you have like an uphill lie or
Speaker 3: if you're in a bunker or something like that. So
Speaker 3: it just expands your movement library and allows you to
Speaker 3: your body to be able to understand it and move
Speaker 3: better in certain positions.
Speaker 1: The what you said about strength training becoming the additional sport.
Speaker 1: You know, when I grew up, I played every sport
Speaker 1: under the sun. And now now I see kids and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they don't do anything. But that's a
Speaker 1: great way to kind of explain, Oh, yeah, like strength training,
Speaker 1: because now I go to the gym and there's like
Speaker 1: high schoolers, there's like thirteen year olds everywhere, and I
Speaker 1: think to myself, it is like, God, when I was
Speaker 1: like twelve, I was never in a gym.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly. And that's that's also where I get
Speaker 3: if you're training for sports like you can't. We can't
Speaker 3: replicate as functional and doing air quotes there as people
Speaker 3: try to be. You can't replicate like going up for
Speaker 3: a rebound the ball being over your head. You have
Speaker 3: to reach your armback, grab the ball of land and
Speaker 3: go back up in like a sports performance ship unless
Speaker 3: you literally throw the ball and have someone catch it there.
Speaker 3: So the variability that you get from playing sports, and
Speaker 3: that the reactive you know, you have to there's a
Speaker 3: lot of reaction involved in something like basketball too, or
Speaker 3: tennis or something if you want to cross train that
Speaker 3: way that you're not gonna get from just lifting in
Speaker 3: a gym. But if you are going to see someone
Speaker 3: that does with they're doing and they're throwing meds and
Speaker 3: balls and they're jumping and they're doing sprints, and they're
Speaker 3: building an athlete first in the golfer second, then they
Speaker 3: should fill in some of those gaps.
Speaker 1: How do you work, I guess when you when you're
Speaker 1: working with a high level athlete, say, you know, professional golfer,
Speaker 1: how do you work with the Is there any conversation
Speaker 1: with say the swing coach about where what they're trying
Speaker 1: to work on, say they're trying to get a deeper
Speaker 1: hip turn or something. Are you then also complimenting that
Speaker 1: with exercises that are working on their movement efficiencies that
Speaker 1: are restricting that you know, personal swing issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, great question. Definitely should be a combination
Speaker 3: of the conversation there with the higher level athletes. Usually
Speaker 3: they can communicate a lot of what they're trying to
Speaker 3: do and what they want to do, and again, the
Speaker 3: higher level of the athlete goes I usually give them
Speaker 3: a little bit more leeway into having a say what
Speaker 3: we do. If you're thirty years old and you're on
Speaker 3: the PGA tour, you're in the MLB, you should have
Speaker 3: some type of feel for your body about what works
Speaker 3: and what doesn't. So you know that doing A B
Speaker 3: and C, you've tried it before, it didn't feel good, Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll try to supplement something else. And so some of
Speaker 3: it should come from the athlete as well. But yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely talk to the coach and say, hey, I really
Speaker 3: like him to get it, you know, rotate into his
Speaker 3: hip on the load more in the backswing. But he
Speaker 3: no matter what I try, he can't do it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: then we find that he has limited interrotation on the
Speaker 3: back hip, and so yeah, he actually physically can't do it.
Speaker 3: So if I can get his improved his internal hip
Speaker 3: rotation on the right hip, on the or backhip, depending
Speaker 3: on which side you're playing with, then he should then
Speaker 3: be allowed to physically get in that position. And then
Speaker 3: maybe it's just a motor patterning thing or something where
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I've never been able to do.
Speaker 2: That before, and that makes sense.
Speaker 1: One of the things in golf that is pretty big
Speaker 1: right now is overspeed training. And I think that it's
Speaker 1: been it's been something with your baseball background, it's been
Speaker 1: something that has been used in baseball for a really
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1: And and and for the layman, what what is over
Speaker 1: speed training?
Speaker 3: Overspeed training is just using an object to help you
Speaker 3: move faster than you naturally would in that sport. So
Speaker 3: it's funny you say this about baseball because there's actually
Speaker 3: a lot of similarities in baseball and golf about how
Speaker 3: far behind they are and like baseball, like people still
Speaker 3: hate technology and so like the use of trackmen, like
Speaker 3: people are like, I think it's like satanic arts or something,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, go ahead, how do you use TrackMan in baseball?
Speaker 3: It picks up spin rates on baseball's and it's a
Speaker 3: different machine, but it's the same idea like spin rates
Speaker 3: and velocities, release points, stuff like that. So you can
Speaker 3: then look at depending on how the ball rotates will
Speaker 3: affect the pitch. So you can say, oh, I needed
Speaker 3: to rotate this way to get this effect, or I
Speaker 3: throw this pitch all the time and it has bad rotation,
Speaker 3: so maybe I shouldn't throw it anymore because it's a
Speaker 3: bad pitch's.
Speaker 1: So basically like it can teach it, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I do a podcast with Jeff Ogilvie. He always says,
Speaker 1: like people were always searching at you know, Monday at
Speaker 1: a tournament. Was always like, oh, like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I think I figured it out, and
Speaker 1: then TrackMan came along and everybody figured it out. And
Speaker 1: with baseball, it's kind of the same way. With like
Speaker 1: a pitcher, like I don't know why my curveball is
Speaker 1: hanging and it's oh, yes, is why correct?
Speaker 3: And then you look at like, oh, your hand positions off,
Speaker 3: and then you change the hand position, you see the
Speaker 3: spins bake up, and it's like, okay, that was the
Speaker 3: issue along, and it gives you the immediate feedback, just
Speaker 3: like in golf if you're like, hey, I'm why is
Speaker 3: my driver when I swing the driver? Why i'd have
Speaker 3: five thousand rpm you know, spin rate on the on
Speaker 3: the when I hit the ball, and then say, oh,
Speaker 3: well you're slicing it. You know. Every time, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: now I fix my club path and I'm down to
Speaker 3: two fifty twenty five hundred or three thousand RPMs, which
Speaker 3: is about right for a driver, right.
Speaker 2: I think. So I think that it's like, yeah, twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll say that that's good. I have someone
Speaker 3: correct us. Yeah, I think I think it's eighteen hundred
Speaker 3: to twenty five hundred from what I remember. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: then so that's how I use track Man. And then
Speaker 3: for overspeed training. I mean, the main thing with baseballs
Speaker 3: is throwing the lighter baseballs. So a regular baseball is
Speaker 3: five ounces. And then what's been pretty much agreed upon
Speaker 3: would be the safest way to do that would be
Speaker 3: to use a four ounce and a three ounce ball.
Speaker 3: So we use those baseballs and then try to, obviously
Speaker 3: after a proper warm up, throw the lighter baseballs as
Speaker 3: fast as you can. And then the idea is that
Speaker 3: it's teaching your body how to move faster. And part
Speaker 3: of moving fast as you're creating greater force, so you
Speaker 3: have to learn how to accelerate that greater force. So
Speaker 3: you're teaching your body and causing stress in your body
Speaker 3: that way, so that then when you put a five
Speaker 3: ounce baseball back in your hand, it's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: can move faster and I didn't blow up, and you know,
Speaker 3: like everything is intact, so therefore I allowed, I can
Speaker 3: allow myself to and organize my movements to move faster
Speaker 3: with the normal weighted ball or club in my hand.
Speaker 1: So it's essentially tricking your subconscious that has.
Speaker 3: Some of it, yes, to move some of it's physical, Yeah,
Speaker 3: some of it is physical. There is definitely a so
Speaker 3: the mental part would just be intent. Like I think
Speaker 3: that's where the golf thing. I don't mean to take
Speaker 3: anything away from super speed. They do a great job,
Speaker 3: but the idea of I think a lot of times,
Speaker 3: specially golf or with some baseball pitchers, is they just
Speaker 3: never they're so worried about like hitting the fairway or
Speaker 3: throwing the ball in the right place that they just
Speaker 3: kind of guide the ball or guide the club instead
Speaker 3: of being really explosive and athletic with it. And so
Speaker 3: like with super speed, when you don't have a club
Speaker 3: or a ball in play, it allows them mentally to
Speaker 3: free up and have greater intent with swinging, and then
Speaker 3: they see the speeds they're like, oh, I can actually
Speaker 3: do this, and then so that part is the mental
Speaker 3: part would be the subconscious like you're speaking of, along
Speaker 3: with the body being able to like, oh I found
Speaker 3: a six or seventh gear. I don't have to say
Speaker 3: it forty five miles an hour. I can hit sixty
Speaker 3: miles an hour and I'm not gonna crash in a
Speaker 3: ditch and burn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I think that gets
Speaker 1: misconstrued and is that and this is something that Jeff
Speaker 1: Ogilvie always says too, is that the best swingers on
Speaker 1: tour are the longest hitters because it you know, it
Speaker 1: seems like with our conversation there, they're the ones whose
Speaker 1: bodies allow them to swing the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, or they can use what they have the
Speaker 3: best because they make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're yeah exactly, because they they aren't. They
Speaker 1: aren't constricted. They're the longest hitters they like. And this
Speaker 1: is what I always say to like my wo are like,
Speaker 1: I want to hit it further that are like, you know,
Speaker 1: just regular golfers, like average golfers play on the weekend,
Speaker 1: is like, well, you need to like technically get into
Speaker 1: the right spot. And you know, it drives them crazy
Speaker 1: because they're you know, good athletes and other sports and
Speaker 1: they can't.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, like you need the technique.
Speaker 1: First off, but then yeah, you know your body needs
Speaker 1: to move in certain ways that are different than your
Speaker 1: body's used to moving for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and then again, the other thing with the
Speaker 3: either overspeed or underspeed training is if you have a
Speaker 3: bigger engine, you'll be able to move faster. So the
Speaker 3: super speed and I believe they are on the same
Speaker 3: page with me here. They are helpful and they're great,
Speaker 3: but your ceiling's only so high unless you also do
Speaker 3: strang training with it. So if you're just one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty five pounds soaking wet, and you're a college golfer. Like,
Speaker 3: it's great if you can swing those clubs very fast,
Speaker 3: but one you're yourself at risk for injury, or two
Speaker 3: you're lowering your ceiling by not doing the strength condition
Speaker 3: along with that. Like it's a piece of the equation,
Speaker 3: it's not the entire equation. Yeah, that's a good golf
Speaker 3: golf myth bust right there.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You've got to do all the work and nothing's
Speaker 1: really easy.
Speaker 3: Right, So I have a Hondo cord, you know, and
Speaker 3: I don't think I think there's under two hundred horse
Speaker 3: power in that thing. Great carb, but nothing special. If
Speaker 3: I go and get like the transmission tune perfectly and
Speaker 3: you know, do all this work to help the little
Speaker 3: things and the gears change better and all those things,
Speaker 3: Like I'm still my zero to sixty is still not
Speaker 3: going to be like five seconds, surrounder. If I go
Speaker 3: and put you know, a four hundred and fifty power
Speaker 3: horsepower engine in that thing, then I have a chance
Speaker 3: to have a you know, zero sixteen hundred five seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So something unique with golf is the duration when you're
Speaker 1: playing petitively, the duration of around. What do you do
Speaker 1: from a training aspect that tackles like kind of the
Speaker 1: endurance aspect. I you know, I hate to say, but
Speaker 1: just the length of time that you're out there.
Speaker 2: It's not a forty eight minute basketball game or you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, this is good. This is another
Speaker 3: myth that I wanted to get to. So another one
Speaker 3: of my friends is the golf coach at North Alabama
Speaker 3: shout out to the Lions, and we had this conversation.
Speaker 3: He's like, Dude, my guys fade at the end of
Speaker 3: rounds all the time, and he's like, do we need
Speaker 3: to run more? What's the deal? Like, I feel pretty
Speaker 3: good about our strength condition program. And the analogy I
Speaker 3: always use with that is if I can bench press
Speaker 3: four hundred pounds and you can bench press two hundred pounds,
Speaker 3: who's going to bench press one hundred pounds more? It
Speaker 3: would be me, right, Like I can, I'm stronger, Therefore
Speaker 3: I can do one hundred pounds more for more reps.
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing with golf. If someone is
Speaker 3: only you know, is weak, and someone else is strong,
Speaker 3: the guy with the strength will also have better endurance
Speaker 3: throughout the round because they have a higher capacity.
Speaker 1: That makes sense because if you're starting high, everybody kind
Speaker 1: of loses at a pretty similar rate, right.
Speaker 3: In theory, Yeah, yeah, so if if someone's if you're
Speaker 3: everyone's if you start it, if someone's starting at two
Speaker 3: hundred percent compared to someone sort at one hundred percent
Speaker 3: and you both drop fifty percent, someone's at fifty, if
Speaker 3: someone's at a hundred. And the other thing with that
Speaker 3: is with golf, I mean, yeah, there's walking involved and
Speaker 3: there's endurance in that, but the actual swing is a
Speaker 3: very fast, switch explosive movement and you're doing that. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the play cal or what the swing
Speaker 3: clock is on now, but I would think it's like
Speaker 3: once every forty five minutes, you're taking a full swing
Speaker 3: and then you you know, when you get to the green,
Speaker 3: it's gonna you're gonna have a fifteen minute break between
Speaker 3: before you take another one. So you still need to
Speaker 3: be able to take an explosive doing movement on the
Speaker 3: eighteenth tea box and then have control over that. So
Speaker 3: that's where I really believe that the strength aspect comes
Speaker 3: into play, where if you're not if you're not strong,
Speaker 3: and you're tired and not explosive and you get to
Speaker 3: the eighteen te box, it's gonna be bad. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be a disaster. Where if you're used to playing and
Speaker 3: you're stronger than everybody else, then you should be able
Speaker 3: to produce a better result on the eighteenth hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you play a lot and you're fading
Speaker 1: at the end of the round, it's not an endurance thing, necess'.
Speaker 2: It's probably just a starting strength thing.
Speaker 3: I would say. I would say the majority of people
Speaker 3: are like that, especially with the guys. I mean, if
Speaker 3: it's the guys you're playing with for fun or in
Speaker 3: you know, like club championships, like I would say almost
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. There's probably some general condition that comes
Speaker 3: into that because it's guys that may or may not
Speaker 3: just be working at a desk all day and have like
Speaker 3: zero cardio endurance at all. But as far as like,
Speaker 3: it's not someone like a you know, someone that's a
Speaker 3: cross country runner would need, you know, to have the
Speaker 3: same endurance as a offer like obviously the need for
Speaker 3: cross country and nurse is much greater because it's an
Speaker 3: aerobic movement in sport. So I would say that majority
Speaker 3: of the time, speaking in generalizations, that it would be
Speaker 3: a strength issue.
Speaker 2: What what are some of the other myths that you
Speaker 2: want to hit on you alluded.
Speaker 3: To, Uh, it might be better just to keep talking
Speaker 3: and let me let them come out when we go this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's mainly revolved around the golfers a week
Speaker 3: and they need to get stronger. That's the main thing
Speaker 3: I want to get out there.
Speaker 1: Range of motion and strength are kind of intertwined, right.
Speaker 3: Very good, Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So one thing we
Speaker 3: measure in our evaluation is active first passive range of motion.
Speaker 3: So think passive range of motions, like I'm moving a
Speaker 3: joint for you and taking you as far as you
Speaker 3: can stretch, Okay, So then active would be how far
Speaker 3: can you move that joint and control it. So obviously
Speaker 3: there's a a big disparity between the two where the
Speaker 3: active is really big or sorry, the passive is really
Speaker 3: big and the active is really small. You have this
Speaker 3: large range of motion you can't control. So the only
Speaker 3: way that helps it only helps you if your body
Speaker 3: forces you to get in that position through something, through
Speaker 3: some movement, and then that's not actually beneficial because then
Speaker 3: you're moving through this large range of motion that you
Speaker 3: can't actually control you have no strength in that range
Speaker 3: of motion.
Speaker 1: That's I watched something with Adam Scott where he talked
Speaker 1: about how he was actually too flexible.
Speaker 3: And where that would be the same idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that'd be a good problem to have, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And again if you're you know, depending on
Speaker 3: your podcast demographic. But most people that play golf at
Speaker 3: an amateur level, that's not the case, right, because they
Speaker 3: sit at a desk all day and and they're just
Speaker 3: you know, they they don't use is they lose the
Speaker 3: range of motion because they don't use it the you know,
Speaker 3: if you don't don't use it, you lose it principle.
Speaker 3: And so they feel tight and they feel restricted. But again,
Speaker 3: just moving moving will help them. They should move a lot,
Speaker 3: like the more you move the better, but you should
Speaker 3: also not just stretch like lifting should help you feel
Speaker 3: even better than you should move in lift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that makes sense. I feel like that
Speaker 1: they're the lifting bugaboo with golf. Is is so like
Speaker 1: people are you know, like when Rory got big, everybody, oh,
Speaker 1: it's too big? Is there is there any credence to
Speaker 1: getting too big? Like you know, like where it restricts movement.
Speaker 1: Is that when need's a problem. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: know we've talked.
Speaker 3: About for sure. Yeah, like we talked about and again,
Speaker 3: like professional athletes are pretty type A and like addictive
Speaker 3: personality people right like to be great. I'm sure you've
Speaker 3: talked to some of these guys like they're kind of
Speaker 3: out there, and you know, you look at someone like
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, that guy's pretty extreme. He's not your normal
Speaker 3: human being. So to be like truly great, there's usually
Speaker 3: some type of addictive or you know, just some some
Speaker 3: part of your brain that just pushes everything to the edge.
Speaker 3: And so that definitely happened with weightlifting, where they just
Speaker 3: start like, oh I feel better, I look better, and
Speaker 3: then they take it too far and then get too
Speaker 3: tight and they get too and they focus on the
Speaker 3: wrong things as far as they don't do the movement
Speaker 3: stuff that they need to to compliment the lifting. They
Speaker 3: just like to talk about do a beach body workout,
Speaker 3: and you know, constantly training on that, playing less golf.
Speaker 3: If you're not swinging constantly, then your mobility is gonna
Speaker 3: decrease just because you're swinging golf cup like you're rotating. However,
Speaker 3: many times a day when you practice. That's going to
Speaker 3: hold or increase your mobility by doing that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it can absolutely bound you up and tighten
Speaker 3: you up. Like we talked about getting everything short and
Speaker 3: tight instead of being able to be neutral and strong.
Speaker 1: So just like you just alluded to with with swinging
Speaker 1: a golf club, but I noticed this because I'm in
Speaker 1: Chicago and I'll go weeks without touching a club and
Speaker 1: then I'll go play golf for five days and I'll notice, like,
Speaker 1: by the end of this golf trip my my swing,
Speaker 1: I can feel my swing that's longer, and I'm playing
Speaker 1: better golf because it's like, yeah, it's getting back out
Speaker 1: there like that. If you don't use those muscles, they
Speaker 1: just that's where they kind of not contract, but they
Speaker 1: actually get longer and weaker and then they don't move
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, depending on what it is, if it gets longer, weaker, shorter, tighter,
Speaker 3: I mean shorter and tighter can also be weaker. Not
Speaker 3: to get too deep into muscle anatomy right now, but
Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean the idea is that if you
Speaker 3: if you don't ever raise your arm above your head
Speaker 3: and it doesn't help you survive, your body isn't going
Speaker 3: to keep that movement, okay, you know, like a survival principle,
Speaker 3: like it's not going to exert the energy to maintain
Speaker 3: that movement. Where it's basically telling yourself it's like a
Speaker 3: you know, like a short term evolution type thing where
Speaker 3: if you reach your if I never reached my hand
Speaker 3: over my head to grab something off a shelf, it's
Speaker 3: only this high, and you do this for ten years,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be and you never move your hand above
Speaker 3: your head, it's gonna be really hard to lift your
Speaker 3: hand above your head. Like that makes sense, right, Like
Speaker 3: your body has no need to do that movement anymore,
Speaker 3: so it's not going to keep that movement around it doesn't.
Speaker 3: It correlates that with something that doesn't have to do
Speaker 3: with surviving. So if you're eating every day and you're
Speaker 3: comfortable without moving anything overhead, then it's you're not gonna
Speaker 3: be able to do it. And then you do something
Speaker 3: like swing a golf club where you try to get
Speaker 3: back here and you're not gonna be able to do it.
Speaker 2: What uh?
Speaker 1: What are some exercises that let's just say are very popular.
Speaker 1: If you went to you went to your local gym
Speaker 1: that people are doing that. When you think about golf
Speaker 1: and the functional training of golf, that you're that, you're
Speaker 1: like god, that that's not doing anything.
Speaker 3: Oh a lot of it. A lot of it. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: a lot of it's dictated by form. So a lot
Speaker 3: of people have trouble with like your normal back squad.
Speaker 3: I have no issues with the actual back squat the exercise,
Speaker 3: but if you don't have the hit mobility, if it's
Speaker 3: pushing you into a ton of back extension, which would
Speaker 3: be compressing that disk, and you don't have the movement
Speaker 3: qualities necessary to do a proper back squad, then it's
Speaker 3: really bad for you to do. I love deadlifting. If
Speaker 3: you don't have the prerequisites physically to deadlift, then it's
Speaker 3: really bad for you to do. So that's a little
Speaker 3: bit more of the take I look at if you're
Speaker 3: trying to be an athlete, I think the leg extension
Speaker 3: machine is probably the worst thing for people to do,
Speaker 3: because you're in a seat of position and strengthening your
Speaker 3: quads more and reinforcing that pattern that you're in all
Speaker 3: day and doing an isomate, isolated exercise that really has
Speaker 3: no effect on any athletic well in movement that you do.
Speaker 3: So that might not an answer, but it's.
Speaker 1: Not like what you talked about earlier. It's not activating
Speaker 1: any part of your other body when you're just sitting.
Speaker 3: There right, correct, correct.
Speaker 1: It's like that idea when you're stretching too and you're
Speaker 1: activating the opposite muscle, like if you're doing so that
Speaker 1: like extension, if you're doing like a one leg of squat,
Speaker 1: you have to use your whole body, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wish everyone was easiest to talk to and
Speaker 3: understood it as well, because a lot of people just
Speaker 3: totally missed the point on these things.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm very remedial. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: but it's.
Speaker 2: Awesome to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's I mean, you're spot on with what
Speaker 3: you're saying there.
Speaker 1: Well, So it's it's just like when I think about
Speaker 1: it from my personal side of things that I think
Speaker 1: like a lot of it is I sit in this
Speaker 1: chair like all day and it's like getting and I
Speaker 1: think this is where a lot of golfers struggle, is
Speaker 1: like getting just even to a point where you can
Speaker 1: do a squat because of like hip tightness, hamstring you know,
Speaker 1: weak hamstrings, and that is a long process to get there,
Speaker 1: and I think that's where people fall off so much
Speaker 1: with fitness for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's everyday thing, and it's it's chipping away. It's
Speaker 3: just like anything golf. It's the same type of deal.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm sure everyone that you play with
Speaker 3: complains about their short game being great, But how many
Speaker 3: guys go out and practice the short game for a
Speaker 3: couple of hours a week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that sucks. It's not fun, you know, but
Speaker 3: if you chip away, no pun intended, if you chip
Speaker 3: away at it and you work at it, then it'll
Speaker 3: eventually get better. If you spend ten minutes a day
Speaker 3: doing it, It's so different with the body and moving.
Speaker 3: If you if you stood up there and you did
Speaker 3: some type of even yoga type stuff in your you know,
Speaker 3: right beside your desk there for ten minutes a day
Speaker 3: in a month, I'm sure you would feel like you
Speaker 3: moved better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got one of those rollers, yep, and I just
Speaker 1: have it out in my living room and I like,
Speaker 1: when I'm watching a basketball game at night, I'm just
Speaker 1: I roll on it and it's it's made an unbelievable difference,
Speaker 1: like how I feel even just waking up in the.
Speaker 3: Morning, for sure.
Speaker 2: How do you how do you make it fun?
Speaker 1: You know you just talked about how it's it's not
Speaker 1: you know a lot of this stuff's not fun. How
Speaker 1: do you in Like when I practice golf, I go
Speaker 1: out and I try and gamify it to make it
Speaker 1: really fun, Like I do different different drills where I can,
Speaker 1: you know, have a little pressure and make it feel
Speaker 1: like more than just practice.
Speaker 3: Well, we do almost all small group training, so you know,
Speaker 3: if you get a group of high school guys working
Speaker 3: out together, then it's doesn't take much to get them
Speaker 3: to start competing with each other in whatever they're doing.
Speaker 3: So that would be the one thing is get a
Speaker 3: workout partner. I work out with the same guy every
Speaker 3: single day, so even on days where he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to do anything, I can, he kind of has to
Speaker 3: keep up with me, and vice versa. When I don't
Speaker 3: want to do anything, I have to keep up with him.
Speaker 3: It works out well or about the about the same
Speaker 3: strength levels on all lifts, so we pretty much can
Speaker 3: just if I'm a little bit stronger in something, he
Speaker 3: was motivated to catch up with me, and vice versa.
Speaker 3: If he's stronger in something, I want to catch up
Speaker 3: with him. So having someone to do it with, I
Speaker 3: think is the biggest thing, just like anything else. Setting
Speaker 3: goals and saying hey, I want to get to A,
Speaker 3: B and C by the state would be a good
Speaker 3: way to do it. And then I mean there's I
Speaker 3: think there's different types of even communities or Facebook groups
Speaker 3: you could join or something like that too, where you're
Speaker 3: tracking your progress or doing something like my fitness power
Speaker 3: tracking calories with diet and tracking what you eat and
Speaker 3: see how that's changing. So I think any type of
Speaker 3: accountability that you can create is the biggest thing with
Speaker 3: working out. That's why people pay personal trains, right because
Speaker 3: they have to show up and they have to do something.
Speaker 3: So accountability with someone and then also having some type
Speaker 3: of peer pressure along with that accountability to push you
Speaker 3: to do it would be the two biggest things. And
Speaker 3: find something you like, Like I hate running, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna go I'm not going to create a program for
Speaker 3: myself where I'm running every day. I hate it, Like
Speaker 3: that's miserable. I enjoy lifting, Yeah, I'm gonna so I'm
Speaker 3: gonna lift more than anything else, Like should do. I
Speaker 3: try to do some cardio. Yeah, I don't do as
Speaker 3: much as I should. But you know, if you hate yoga,
Speaker 3: don't go to yoga class. Like, go find something that
Speaker 3: you like. If you like orange theory, great, go do that.
Speaker 3: You know, there are some things that people should not like.
Speaker 3: Some people should not to cross it. They're not able
Speaker 3: or possible to do it. But find some other type
Speaker 3: of high intents the interval training class that you can
Speaker 3: go to that is better suited for you if you
Speaker 3: like that type of workout. So that's the other big
Speaker 3: thing is find something that you really enjoy doing, or
Speaker 3: that you could do with your friends, or that some
Speaker 3: of your friends enjoy doing and think you might like
Speaker 3: it eventually, because at all, I mean, no one likes
Speaker 3: doing stuff they suck at, right, Like that's why I
Speaker 3: don't play a lot of golf. I'm terrible. I don't
Speaker 3: enjoy it. It just makes me mad, So I don't
Speaker 3: do it that much. If I had a group of
Speaker 3: I kind of played with here and there, I'm sure
Speaker 3: I would do it more and I would enjoy it
Speaker 3: more and I'd get better and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But starting off, it's if you don't do anything. Getting
Speaker 3: back into it is gonna be rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean the first I feel like this
Speaker 1: last year I didn't work out much and I've been
Speaker 1: renewed because I've actually been home, not traveling. But like
Speaker 1: once you get there's a moment when you that you
Speaker 1: cross where like all of a sudden you're at the
Speaker 1: gym and you're just hoping for to end. And then
Speaker 1: there's like a day that it flips where you like,
Speaker 1: you keep doing more, you do more, and you want
Speaker 1: to go do more and that's like the best it's
Speaker 1: like the best feeling of accomplishment you can get, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean again, like I do this
Speaker 3: for a living, and I still have those days where
Speaker 3: it's like what do I have left to do? Like
Speaker 3: can this thing be over now? And it's just a
Speaker 3: matter of kind of getting through those days. And there's
Speaker 3: other days where you're talking like you're talking about where
Speaker 3: I get done with my workout, I'm like what else
Speaker 3: can I do? Is there something like I do two
Speaker 3: more sets of something real quick because you're feeling it
Speaker 3: so and that'll be you know, that's a good lesson
Speaker 3: too in the gym, if you if you have a
Speaker 3: day where you're a it's a I'm going to make
Speaker 3: myself do something to day, make it a little bit shorter,
Speaker 3: and then know that if you're going to have a
Speaker 3: day where you feel really good, you're going to do
Speaker 3: a little bit more. But don't you know, it shouldn't
Speaker 3: be something where it's like someone's holding a gun to
Speaker 3: your head and making you do it and you're miserable.
Speaker 3: It should be something that there is some enjoyment and
Speaker 3: maybe if just the fact that you're done with it
Speaker 3: and you feel accomplished, but some type of enjoyment associated
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So say say I'm a parent of a burgeoning golfer,
Speaker 1: you know, young golfer. What what age should I really
Speaker 1: start thinking about, you know, functional and strength training for
Speaker 1: a kid.
Speaker 2: I know this is always a question that comes up.
Speaker 3: Depending on the maturity of the kid. We would say
Speaker 3: around twelve. So we also we've played around had some
Speaker 3: stuff like youth athletic development classes where it is geared
Speaker 3: more towards a nine and ten year old. So if
Speaker 3: it's something like that where it's a it's a again
Speaker 3: in a group setting that's more designed around kind of
Speaker 3: like playing and races and those sort of things. That
Speaker 3: type of physical activity, then that's great, or I mean
Speaker 3: gymnastics would be great for that as well. But as
Speaker 3: far as like a training aspect, something where it's a
Speaker 3: forty five minutes to an hour of playing and body
Speaker 3: weight movements is a great thing for a kid that's
Speaker 3: signed or ten years old, and then once twelve comes around,
Speaker 3: get them into more of like a weight training setting.
Speaker 3: One myth overall about weight training is that stunts growth.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 2: If you're if you're like, I heard of that one again, right, No, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, I did too, Like I started lifting when I
Speaker 3: was fifteen because my dad thoughts stunting growth. If you're
Speaker 3: loading up a back squad on like a nine year
Speaker 3: old and you're like compressing the disc and the spine
Speaker 3: in a very heavy manner at a very young age,
Speaker 3: then you probably won't grow as much than if you
Speaker 3: let the person naturally develop. But just like doing your
Speaker 3: reverse lunch with five pounds in your hand is not
Speaker 3: going to stunt growth or doing push ups like we
Speaker 3: do push up. We don't like kids bench bress dumbbells.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, well, the dumbbells are actually lighter
Speaker 3: compared to your body weight, So what's just because this
Speaker 3: body weight you're okay with it? Like it makes no sense.
Speaker 3: And then the other part of your your question would
Speaker 3: be the how much do they specialize? So if you're
Speaker 3: if you're nine and you're playing golf, baseball, basketball, and
Speaker 3: you're you know, play each four months a year, then
Speaker 3: you don't really need to work out, like go go
Speaker 3: play basketball in the backyard for your workout. But if
Speaker 3: you're just doing golf and you are specializing, then you
Speaker 3: need to do something else to increase that movement library
Speaker 3: and help you become an overall better athlete.
Speaker 1: What if you're you know, and I know this is impossible,
Speaker 1: where you just start diagrazing one thing because everybody's different,
Speaker 1: everybody moves different. But if I if I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I really want to increase my speed, what would be
Speaker 1: the like the best simple thing I could do on
Speaker 1: a on a regular basis to increase speed?
Speaker 3: My first answer would be, let's get you stronger. Very
Speaker 3: first thing I'll tell you is we need to get
Speaker 3: you stronger. And again with that strength, excuse me, I
Speaker 3: am going to assume that within that strength training program
Speaker 3: you are getting quality movement in the strength training. So
Speaker 3: if you get quality movement in the strength training, then
Speaker 3: it should fix again the low hanging fruit that that
Speaker 3: is the mobility issue that someone that sits at the
Speaker 3: desk most of the day has. So that would be
Speaker 3: the first thing, and then the second thing would be
Speaker 3: like actually working on hit mobility and strength through the movement.
Speaker 3: So you asked for one thing or one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say one exercise, one exercise.
Speaker 2: If I gotta go, I've bet go for it. Broke
Speaker 2: with one exercise.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, sorry, I knew I was gonna get off
Speaker 3: on tangent.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: Question started cut, And that's an impossible question because everybody's
Speaker 1: got to be a little bit different probably for sure.
Speaker 3: If you can deadlift with really good form, if you
Speaker 3: can do like a trap bar deadlift with really good form,
Speaker 3: I would say that would be the one that would
Speaker 3: that I would.
Speaker 1: Start with because it's going to work so many aspects
Speaker 1: of your body, right correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's as much of a full body exercise
Speaker 3: lift as you can have. It makes create stiffness and strength,
Speaker 3: especially through the middle of your body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it makes so much sense given what
Speaker 1: you said right off the beginning about the idea of
Speaker 1: doing exercises where lots of parts of your body are
Speaker 1: active during it as opposed to just you know, static.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people will say that with that
Speaker 3: type of question, if you could do three things for
Speaker 3: any athlete, it would be some type of deadlifariation, a sprint,
Speaker 3: and some type of mess and ball throw.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So how can people can find you? You're on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram? Do you have a podcast? How do how
Speaker 1: do people find you for you know, if they're interested
Speaker 1: in learning more?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, first and foremost, my company is called Revolution
Speaker 3: Sports Performance. We're in Orlando, Farta. Our website is pretty basic,
Speaker 3: but it's Revolution sp dot com. And then for my
Speaker 3: personal social media is Barrett Underscore Stover so b A
Speaker 3: R R E T T Underscore Stover last names like
Speaker 3: the chocolates. And then the podcast is a whole lot
Speaker 3: of b s. Get a little there, appreciate it, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I get lucky every once in a while. So then
Speaker 3: that's on all of the podcast channels of iTunes, Spotify. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's uploaded. I upload their anchor, So it's on
Speaker 3: all of them and then uh yeah, that's pretty much
Speaker 3: it for for me.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, Well thanks for coming on and you know,
Speaker 1: giving us some dropping some knowledge on the fitness aspect.
Speaker 2: I think everybody can do just a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's just doing a little bit more that you're doing
Speaker 1: and you're going to see improvement for sure.
Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah, I mean that's do something like we
Speaker 3: talked about, like like move and find some type of
Speaker 3: movement that you like doing. And a shameless plug here
Speaker 3: at the end. We also do online training. So if
Speaker 3: there are any people out there that live in the
Speaker 3: middle of Wyoming or somewhere like that where they're pretty
Speaker 3: restricted and don't have anyone to work with, we'd be
Speaker 3: happy to help. Again, we work with ages. I think
Speaker 3: we have ages twelve to forty nine right now, so
Speaker 3: we see a wide variety of clients and we're happy
Speaker 3: to help anyone who's dedicated to becoming a healthier human.
Speaker 3: So just because you're not a professional golfer a professional
Speaker 3: baseball player doesn't mean that we wouldn't be happy to
Speaker 3: work with you.
Speaker 2: That's it's funny.
Speaker 1: My wife and I like kicked around that idea of
Speaker 1: moving somewhere that it's not like we live in Chicago area,
Speaker 1: so it's like we have everything we need. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that restricted us we were in because
Speaker 1: we were looking at a small town in Michigan and
Speaker 1: it was like, God, there's like.
Speaker 2: Not like a real gym here, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of the country doesn't have like a
Speaker 1: really nice gym to go work out at.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm so snotty now that i hate going
Speaker 3: to like La Fitness because I'm used to working out
Speaker 3: like in my gym where it's myself and one other
Speaker 3: person with the whole gym to ourselves, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't have to deal with other people. I don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about the equipment they have, like all
Speaker 3: this sort of things. So yeah, I definitely feel you there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, no shameless plug.
Speaker 1: That's I think online online training is U is a
Speaker 1: great way to go, and I think you're seeing it
Speaker 1: with golf too. The ability with video, how much you
Speaker 1: can do yeah, is just extraordinary. I mean sure, whenever
Speaker 1: I have something that's ailing me, I like Google and
Speaker 1: I find like YouTube and a there's like it's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: the wealth of knowledge out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, it's it's going in the right direction,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: So thanks so much for coming on Barrett, and everybody
Speaker 1: go go follow Barrett his company, Revolution.
Speaker 2: And sp On on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Andy, Thanks