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I've 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.480 been in the gym recently and I like to interview 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.240 people that with interesting stuff going on and stuff that 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.000 I'm interested in, and it got me thinking about the 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.279 health and fitness side of golf. So today our guest 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.320 is Barrett Stover, who is the owner of Revolution sp 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.840 He trains a ton of professional athletes, from baseball players 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.440 of golfers. He has trained the likes of Brooks Kopka 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.840 among many other professional golfers. And I hope you enjoy 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.480 and learn some new stuff from this chat. 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So, now, without further ado, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.640 here's our conversation with Barrett Stover. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.720 I missed a green, for example, I'm already upset when 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.840 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.840 And when I find my ball in a bright egg 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.919 Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida egg Frida egg 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.600 egg Frida egg brid egg, Lie, I'm about ready to 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:28.560 run off the golf course. You do. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.480 You do a lot of baseball training, right correct? 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.320 What uh what types of stuff are you trying to 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.720 unlock with the body with baseball? 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.600 Yeah, so I grew up playing baseball and that's where 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.760 my passion was and got me into training. The whole 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.720 rotational sports thing. And I'm sure we'll get to the 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.040 golf part of this a little bit later, but you know, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.920 with rotational athletes, it's it's a lot of similar movements 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.280 as far as we're concerned with training athletes where you 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.120 need hit mobility, you need uh strong shoulders, especially the 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.120 smaller muscles in the orders. You need to obviously be 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.920 able to rotate well, separate hip and shoulder separation, you know, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.200 everything from the toes. The head needs to be strong 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.240 and move and move well. So when we're looking at that, 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.280 we're also specifically with baseball, concentrating obviously on the shoulder 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.520 and the elbow, making sure that those are safe as possible. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.200 So a lot of it has to do with thoracic 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:28.000 movement as well, upper back, shoulder blades and making sure 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.960 that the athlete can actually like reach overhead without a 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.320 lot of other compensations going on. And then depending usually 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.799 the lead leg hip, we want to make sure that 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.760 that you can land and rotate into that hip really well, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.599 and off the backside load and rotate off that backside 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:44.320 really well as well. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:50.760 So as kind of golf, what are some other rotational sports. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.440 Softball, tennis, cricket you could throw in there. You know, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.520 all sports have a rotational aspect. You know, even if 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.039 you think of alignment pulling around the corner for running back, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.560 then he's going to rotate out of his stance and 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.400 start and start moving that way before he starts moving, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.960 you know, sprinting literally, and he's gonna have lateral movement 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.560 as well. So there are aspects of all sports. But 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.400 really anything where you're swinging an object or throwing an 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.080 object is gonna be more rotational. Volleyball can kind of 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.359 fall into that as well, where it's a lot of 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.080 jumping and diving a lot of forward and backward movement, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:30.320 but you're also swinging your arm, you're rotating after you jump. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.800 So all sports have some rotational components on it. They're 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.280 the ones that we think about like golf, baseball, softball, tennis, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.400 you know, those those specific rotating sports. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.640 Yeah, you mentioned the shoulder and the elbow with with 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.640 baseball is particular like kind of safety points of emphas 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.320 may make sure they you know, obviously those are. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.080 High risk injury areas. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.800 Like in golf, what what are the muscle groups that 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.960 you're that you are are areas that buy you folk 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.120 us most sign so. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.680 The biggest one with golf and specifically well it gets 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.479 into professionals as they get a little bit older. But 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.960 in the average golfer that's a desk jockey has a 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.960 nine to five job, it's low back, right, So you know, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.520 when we look at low backs, there's a lot of 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.960 things that feed into low back issues. Hip position is 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:28.240 a big one. What can the usually the side of 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.080 the injury is not the actual problem, It just takes 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:35.360 the blunt of the issue at the compensation. So when 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.240 we're looking at someone that has a low back problem, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.400 it's usually the hips or the upper back, depending on 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.359 what they can or cannot do with either one. And 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.160 when we're looking at golf, it's usually a lack of 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.240 rotation through the hips and the upper back, and so 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.200 they rotate a lot through their lower back, and the 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.320 lower back can rotate some, but it's more made to 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.440 flexni extend. So that's when people start grinding on those discs, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.880 and uh, you know, usually like L four, L five 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.200 is a big one that a lot of people have 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.000 hurt and that they end up just just grind the 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.320 two vertebrate literally grind on the disc until it pops 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.520 and compress the disc. And that's where you hear people 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.920 say like, oh, I blew out a disk or have 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.760 a bulging disc, and that's usually from lack of rotating 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.360 through the hips or the upper back, and that's a 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.239 simplified version. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.040 It's it's interesting that you say, I've this last year, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.880 I had like my first back issues and all I've 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.760 been doing all winter is stretching like hips and everything, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.160 and and like you can feel the pain start to 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.920 go away, but it takes a lot of time. What 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.360 I guess for that regular guy, what are the best 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.960 things they can do that are light lifts in terms 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.400 of you know, I go say, I go work in 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.960 an office every day. What are and I don't I 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.560 got kids, I don't necessarily have like all the time 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:53.000 in the world. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.560 What are the easiest things you can do to kind of. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.880 Like a thirty minute type deal or something to kind. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.120 Of yah, maybe maybe even less. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.360 Okay, Okay, yeah, I know there's tons of stuff that 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.360 you can do at home, and maybe we can work 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.160 on maybe like a little bit of video series or 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.040 something so I can walk through these tags and videos 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.720 for this sort of thing. So so everyone, I'm a 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.640 very visual person. So when someone talks me through something, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.080 I'm like, great, now show me, because I have nothing 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.400 really comprehended of what you just said. So the main 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.960 thing with that is that the ham strings and abs 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.640 become long and weak. So that and that leads to 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.439 the low back being short and tight. So we're constantly 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.920 compressing on the disc because we're stuck in low back extension. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.240 So again Sparkano's version would be to strengthen the ham 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.520 strings and the abdominals. That would be the quickest way 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.840 to do it. And while if you're going to stretch anything, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.000 stretch the quads and the hip flexers. So we also 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.679 don't just douce any type of static stretching. We have 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.640 some specific ways that we stretch where we're always activating 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.240 either the same muscle group or the antagonists the opposite 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.760 muscle group. So we'll usually if we do some type 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.680 of hip flexer or quad stretch, we'll go right into 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.840 a hip extension exercise where we're working glutes, your butt 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:14.720 or your hamstrings. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:22.840 When you're talking about stretching the one while you're activating 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.120 the other, you're antagonists. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.679 What's the purpose of that. I'm just. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:35.480 So if we just lengthen the muscle that's short and tight. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.040 It's the main thing is it's going to be a 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.080 short term fix. So you get up from stretching, you 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.880 feel great, right, You're like, oh wow, I'm so loose 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.599 in limber. Everything feels you know, it feels feel like 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.000 a million bucks again. You know, the tightness has gone. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.240 Research has shown status stretching results usually last around twenty 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.640 minutes and then you're right back to the position you're 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.880 in before. So in order to hold the position, if 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.600 something short and tight, we want to loosen it up 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.320 so that our body can move like it's supposed to. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.600 But then we want to do something to hold that position. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.800 So then we'll look at the hips like we go 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.920 from I'm using atomical terms here, but well, for hip 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.240 flex are short and tight, will be an anterior public tilt, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.760 which is like sticking your butt up and out. And 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.680 then if we so if we open that up, we 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.160 want to take the hips in the post to your 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.560 public tilt, which is like rolling your hips under, so 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.600 you're rounding your low back and teach the body how 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.400 to hold that position. So now we're bringing it more 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.880 into a neutral position and holding it there and strengthening 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.120 the other side, pulling the muscles, using the muscles to 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.720 pull the hips into the right position. Does that make sense? 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.199 So we're actually like holding the position instead of just 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.520 being like, oh, I found this new position, but I 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.520 don't know what to do with it. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.600 I'm a visual person also, but what you're describing kind 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.000 of reminds me a little bit of more of a 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.520 yoga style pose than a you know, like a yoga 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.640 style stretch. Then just say, hey, I'm just gonna bend 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:01.800 down and touch my toes. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.199 Correct, Yeah, so yeah, And then if you've been down 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.480 touching your toes, you're just stretching out your post, your chain, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.520 your hamstrings and little back and that sort of thing, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.360 which again could be appropriate for some people, but the 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.600 majority people benefit more from stretching the front side and 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:17.880 strengthening the back side. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.480 It's it's really interesting that you say when you're when 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.640 you're having back problems and everybody talks about you, think 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.840 of like, Okay, I'm as stretch my hamstrings, but your 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.840 hamstrings are actually like long and weak, So you're correct, like, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.520 so you're strengthening them when you're doing that. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.839 Yeah, So I'll try to find some pictures and put 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.240 them on Twitter and maybe you can tweet them out 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.720 so we can I can show you this because I know, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.600 like I can picture in my head obviously this is 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.360 what I do for a living. For the average guy, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.680 I imagine that you don't have too many people and 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.320 your majority listeners aren't majors and extra science. So so 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.720 the idea is that your hamstering attaches to the bottom 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.720 of your pelvis to think like bottom of your butt cheek, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.080 and so if the bottom of the butt is rotated up, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.760 it's going to lengthen it's going to pull the hamstring 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.640 into a longer position. Can you visualize that a little bit. Yeah, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.840 So from that from pulling it, it's going to pull 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.000 and make it longer because the distance between the attachment 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.480 point and the insertion point becomes greater. And so if 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.160 that happens, they're gonna feel tight because they're pulled tight. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:27.120 Yeah. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.679 Yeah, yeah. So if we're already, if we're already like 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.760 if you already stretch, you're already in a stretching position, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.200 and then you try to go deeper in the position, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.760 it's like, wow, this, I feel this a lot more. So, Yeah, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.319 you're already stretched stretching some. So if we can then 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.600 take that and strengthen it and make that a little 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.520 bit shorter and stronger, it should pull the pelvist back 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.120 into position and get it in the in the proper 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.840 in a neutral position, so that we have the hip 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.080 flexer and quad and button hamstrings working together and and 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.520 equally as supposed, that one being one being super strong 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:01.600 in the lm being very weak. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.000 So static stretching versus you know, like active active stretching 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.360 is one myth. Like sports sciences has come a long 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.680 way in the last say decade, really. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.360 Even finally starting to catch up in golf. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.880 Yeah, well golf's always ten years behind everything. So that's 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.040 what What would you say are some of the other 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.120 myths out there with it, maybe specifically for golf or 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.640 just general fitness. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.880 Well, for golf, the big one is that like lifting 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.000 weights is going to make you immobile or tighten you up, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.720 or you know, leave you unable to swing a golf club. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.760 And that's something that I've tried to probably put more 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.400 stuff out there, but really dispel that myth. The great 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.240 thing is we have guys like Brooks and a few 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.600 other guys that are taking their weight training very seriously 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.160 and they're also really good at golf, right, And for 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.040 some reason Tiger didn't. Tiger was that guy, and then 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.320 Tiger got hurt and everyone blamed weight he trained too hard. Well, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:03.839 Tiger did a lot of things in his life that 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.120 probably led to that outside of what a certified strength 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.360 conditioning coach who had the proper credentials and knew what 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.440 they're talking about told him to do, Like the training correct. Yeah, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.520 so that's one thing. You know. You read that article 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.920 where he's running miles upon miles and boots and doing 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.120 seal training, You're like, and then he's purposely trying to 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.200 get more extension in his left knee and his swing 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.880 to create more power. Well, something's got to give, and 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.280 athletes are the best compensators. Tiger's one of the best 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.840 athletes we've ever seen. So he's going to compensate better 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.280 than anyone, and therefore he's gonna get the movement from 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.480 the knee or the back, whether it's whether it wants 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.920 to or not. So just this whole idea that lifting 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.960 makes you tight and makes you bulky, Uh, it's completely false. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.720 If you go and you lift with like Arnold, then 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.520 he might get tight and muscle bound. If you get 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.560 on some type of steroid package, then yes, you might 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.080 get a little tight and muscle as well. But if 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.360 you're doing if you're seeing someone that knows what they're 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.480 talking about, and you're getting stronger, then you should be 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.200 able to move better as well. So the way we 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:14.800 describe mobility as its strength and flexibility together mobility, if 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.080 you could move really well and you're really weak, it's 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.480 just as dangerous as being strong and not being able 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.480 to move. So I guess that's another myth too where 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.880 guys just worry so much about mobility is oh, you know, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.440 my ta spine isn't mobile, And it's like, yeah, dude, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.480 well you can't. You can't squat one hundred and thirty 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.680 five pounds for free reps either, you can't deadlift two 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.320 twenty five like fix fix the low hanging fruit first 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.440 and then worry about your tea spy mobility. And just 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.720 a little little proof of that is we had a 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.520 kid that played golf at a Division one school. He 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.560 works at the Golf Channel now actually produces my produces 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.000 my podcast Ashton Nix, And he came in here and 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.040 I said, I'd like to do an experiment on you, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.520 and he's like, all right, whatever, man. So I put 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.680 him on a bodybuilding program for three months and we 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.760 measured his We measured him his club at speed, you 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.600 know distance everything on a flight scope before he started 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.880 working out. And then after three months and he was 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.040 up five miles an hour on clubhet speed. And it 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.640 was like, like I would not if someone, if a 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.680 golfer came in is like this is the workout you're doing, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.120 I'd I'd tear it up, be like we need to 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:26.400 start over. It was zero rotation, it was no frontal play, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.720 movement side to side. It was straight like beach body, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.840 get big workout, and there wasn't I have to look back. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.160 I think there was like one or two hip mobility 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.520 things in there and that was it. But it was 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:40.480 just straight lifting. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.920 Yeah, so would a better way to describe I guess 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.480 golf training. Everybody I like getting stronger, but is getting 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.360 more explosive? 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.200 Yeah no, that's a great way. I mean, yeah, that's 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.120 for sure one way to do it. The huge terms 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.320 functional fitness these days, you know functional strength, which way 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.120 overplayed because then if you just put anything into a 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.840 golf movement, it's functional which is also a little bit 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.359 of a pet peeve of mine. But yeah, if you 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.919 become more explosive than strength, is the power of that 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.480 explosion equation, right? You know, I want to move mass 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.240 as fast as possible, so moving a lot of mass 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.119 a little bit slower should help with explosiveness, just like 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.680 moving a little mass really fast should help with exposiveness. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.560 So yeah, that would be a good way to say. So. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.959 Something we've touched on this a little bit with you know, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.800 the beach body workout versus you know, getting a little 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.800 rotation in it. Something I was I wanted to talk 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.879 about was the idea of specialization versus like kind of 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.400 generic training where where maybe you play a lot of sports, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.600 you know, may your kid or like I remember that 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.119 the best golf I've played, like as an amateur, you know, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.399 was when I was playing a ton of basketball, and 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.119 I felt like it really helped because there was a 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.000 lot of quick twitch and my legs were stronger than ever. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.199 But that was a completely different sport, right, But with 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.120 today's day and age, with the specialization, is there value 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.480 in doing you know, playing you know, doing other activities 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.840 that might have kind of residual impacts or is it 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.440 just best to just specialize? 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.840 For sure at early age it's better. This is a 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.000 tough question because it really depends on the person. If 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.719 you have a twelve some people just wire different. If 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.840 you have a twelve year old just loves golf, loves baseball, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.239 loves basketball, whatever the sport is, and they have no 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.679 desire to do anything else, then I don't really have 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.920 a problem. You know, to let the kid play back 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.080 a lot of basketball, but you should be doing something 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.199 to offset that. And that's where the strength and conditioning 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.600 field is kind of filled in over the last couple 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.439 of years, is that it's become the extra sport. So 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.040 you know, if you're a golfer and you just love 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.280 golf and you can't get away from it, and you 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.639 don't like basketball, you don't like baseball, whatever it is, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.159 you know, okay, that's fine, but let's also supplement some 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.679 things in to where you know, the parents should know 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.560 better than the kid. Where he doesn't need to hit, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.240 you know, spend an hour on the range three hundred 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.360 and sixty five days a year. Maybe it's a month 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.840 or two where he doesn't touch a club and he 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.639 just looks really heavy. It works out really hard, and 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.200 then that's also supplemented into this workout, into his training 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.040 regiment the rest of the year as well. But for 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.440 the most part, yes, it is better to play sports 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.800 at a younger age. It gives you a better movement library. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.359 Is one phrase that we use in our company to say, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.720 you know, like if you're in basketball, you're putting in 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.280 a lot of different positions where you have to control 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.640 your body. You have to explode out of those sort 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.280 of things where if you just swing a golf club 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:39.840 all the time, the only time you're in a different 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.879 position is if you have like an uphill lie or 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:43.720 if you're in a bunker or something like that. So 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.119 it just expands your movement library and allows you to 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:49.840 your body to be able to understand it and move 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.200 better in certain positions. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:57.119 The what you said about strength training becoming the additional sport. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.040 You know, when I grew up, I played every sport 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.320 under the sun. And now now I see kids and 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.000 I'm like, oh, they don't do anything. But that's a 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.280 great way to kind of explain, Oh, yeah, like strength training, 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.919 because now I go to the gym and there's like 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.639 high schoolers, there's like thirteen year olds everywhere, and I 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.800 think to myself, it is like, God, when I was 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.600 like twelve, I was never in a gym. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.239 Yeah, right, exactly. And that's that's also where I get 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.000 if you're training for sports like you can't. We can't 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.600 replicate as functional and doing air quotes there as people 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.399 try to be. You can't replicate like going up for 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.239 a rebound the ball being over your head. You have 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.159 to reach your armback, grab the ball of land and 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.359 go back up in like a sports performance ship unless 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.520 you literally throw the ball and have someone catch it there. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.040 So the variability that you get from playing sports, and 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.440 that the reactive you know, you have to there's a 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.639 lot of reaction involved in something like basketball too, or 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.320 tennis or something if you want to cross train that 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.399 way that you're not gonna get from just lifting in 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.560