Speaker 1: Welcome. This is it could happen here daily. Uh. This
Speaker 1: week we are focusing on different ways to actually start
Speaker 1: doing things. You know, we've talked a lot about ideas
Speaker 1: and we like you know, made some broad recommendations um
Speaker 1: and you know, had people on to give specific insights
Speaker 1: and you know, different things. But we're trying to focus
Speaker 1: this week and then you know more in the future.
Speaker 1: Is like, if you're brand new to this sort of thing,
Speaker 1: how to actually start doing stuff. And one of the
Speaker 1: things we talked about a lot is a lot almost
Speaker 1: everyone we've interviewed has mentioned us at some point that
Speaker 1: trying to get more active in the things you're consuming
Speaker 1: and the things that you're eating. And one of the
Speaker 1: ways to do that is by just literally growing your
Speaker 1: own food. I went when I was growing up, I
Speaker 1: mean my grandparents operate, I mean like they you stopped
Speaker 1: right like like like like a large, large farm. Now
Speaker 1: they operate kind of like a farm that just like
Speaker 1: feeds them. So whenever I'm at my grandparents in Canada,
Speaker 1: usually we you know, we just eat all the food
Speaker 1: they grow, whether that be like produce, um. They also
Speaker 1: do like their own hunting, They make their own sausage, like,
Speaker 1: you know, they preserve meats. So like I kind of
Speaker 1: grew up around this type of thing because just how
Speaker 1: self reliant some of my family is, but not everyone
Speaker 1: may have this kind of background, and so you know,
Speaker 1: this idea of growing your own food can feel maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit daunting. Um. And to help us talk
Speaker 1: about food and then eventually soil and other kind of things,
Speaker 1: I have invited a guest on from another kind of
Speaker 1: podcast in this that operates in the same rough, rough framework,
Speaker 1: I would say, probably how to how to kind of
Speaker 1: slowly improve improve the world? Um uh do I do?
Speaker 1: Won't explain who you are and what's your what's your
Speaker 1: whats your project is? Sure? So my name is Andy.
Speaker 1: I'm the post of the Poor Roles Almanac. We're a
Speaker 1: pod cast that's focused on thinking about after collaps how
Speaker 1: do we things like climate change and collaps impact things
Speaker 1: like food systems, and what can we do today to
Speaker 1: prepare for what's coming in the future. Yeah. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's not not a coincidence that all of these
Speaker 1: different kind of projects are getting more popular around the
Speaker 1: same time, because we're looking at the world and being like, huh,
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem very sustainable, So we better we better
Speaker 1: start figuring out what to do with all these systems
Speaker 1: kind of slowly, you know, start losing parts. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about kind of food today. I want to
Speaker 1: want to maybe branch off into like a few different directions.
Speaker 1: Branch that's a plant plant plant pun um what a
Speaker 1: branch off in a few different directions both like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you do if you have like your own
Speaker 1: house and yard or maybe you're like more ruled, you
Speaker 1: have lots of space, and then also king of the
Speaker 1: inverse of like let's say you lived in like a
Speaker 1: cramp city apartment, different things that you can do. Let's
Speaker 1: probably start with like the rule, just to like give
Speaker 1: a you know, a more like base background. You know,
Speaker 1: you have more of like a standard set up for
Speaker 1: what you're able to do. If someone's never grown anything before,
Speaker 1: they've never like maybe they've had like one house plant,
Speaker 1: but like they've never grown anything, what what do you
Speaker 1: think is the best first like preparation steps before you
Speaker 1: actually you know, go and start buying seeds and stuff. Sure,
Speaker 1: so when it comes to growing food, it's really not
Speaker 1: that complicated. Chances are if you have a front yard,
Speaker 1: we're talking about someplace that's pretty rural, assuming that climate
Speaker 1: is in someplace super dry, you're generally going to be
Speaker 1: thinking about growing food someplace where grass probably already grows.
Speaker 1: So if grass is already grown there, you know things
Speaker 1: can grow there. And really that's that's as simple as
Speaker 1: it can be. It can be more complicated. We can
Speaker 1: start talking about things like soil pH and nutrients and
Speaker 1: all of these other things, but really, when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, if you put a seed in the
Speaker 1: ground and the temperature is not too warm or cold,
Speaker 1: and it gets rained but not too much rain, the
Speaker 1: plant's going to grow. And if you've got some say
Speaker 1: a couple of acres and you want to cut out
Speaker 1: a little section of it to grow some food, uh,
Speaker 1: that that's as simple as it really can be. And
Speaker 1: you can go to whatever store and buy seats. So
Speaker 1: like that, that's a good place to start. And obviously,
Speaker 1: depending on where you live, you want to think about
Speaker 1: things like lead in the in the soil if you
Speaker 1: live someplace near an old house, or maybe if you're
Speaker 1: near some place where there was manufacturing. And one of
Speaker 1: the things to keep in mind is that a lot
Speaker 1: of older settlements, even if there isn't a factory there. Now,
Speaker 1: it's very possible there was a factory years ago, it's
Speaker 1: been demoed and you never even knew it was there.
Speaker 1: So it's really important if you do live in someplace
Speaker 1: that has that manufacturing background or an old house to
Speaker 1: really check for things like lead in the soil because
Speaker 1: that can be really dangerous. And there's yeah, very accessible
Speaker 1: like old testing kits available that stares on online. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I think fifteen dollars you can have a
Speaker 1: soil sample taken and you can find out everything that's
Speaker 1: in it, just like the pH and you know if
Speaker 1: it's too acidic and things like that. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: you figure out you wanna you want to start growing stuff?
Speaker 1: You have you have some space, whether it be like
Speaker 1: a front yard or maybe like like even like an
Speaker 1: open field if you're lucky, Um, what kind of what
Speaker 1: kind of stuff do you think? You know? Should I
Speaker 1: just jump in and buy any kind of seed that
Speaker 1: looks fun, or should I like start with specific things?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like, if I really like potatoes,
Speaker 1: just go to potatoes. If I really like cauliflowers, just
Speaker 1: to cauliflower. What's kind of the if I'm brand new,
Speaker 1: what's the different things that would be worth for straying out?
Speaker 1: So generally speaking, you really want to think about what
Speaker 1: your climate is and I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that gets missed a lot of times as you
Speaker 1: want to grow things. So like I live in New England,
Speaker 1: growing say watermelon is really a challenge and a lot
Speaker 1: of ways because you have to think about the length
Speaker 1: of my season versus the length it takes for a
Speaker 1: watermelon to be a full sized fruit for you to eat.
Speaker 1: So depending on where you live, the one thing you
Speaker 1: need to keep in mind is what that length of
Speaker 1: your season is. Now, to get back to the main
Speaker 1: subject of the podcast, talking about things like climate change
Speaker 1: and collapse, that season is changing rapidly right now. We're
Speaker 1: adding days, so the seasons are getting longer, but also
Speaker 1: we're having weird cold snaps later and later into spring,
Speaker 1: so what might have been a traditional season no longer
Speaker 1: really applies anymore. So if you're thinking about this is
Speaker 1: your first year, you don't want to grow anything that
Speaker 1: might be right at the cusp of um being in
Speaker 1: your season, or you don't want to start a plant
Speaker 1: inside and then have to move it outside, and you
Speaker 1: have to know whether or not it has a tap
Speaker 1: root and all these other things to make sure that
Speaker 1: you don't damage the plant. Then you definitely want to
Speaker 1: grow something with a shorter season, things like um cold
Speaker 1: weather plants, lettuces for please, cauliflowers, things like that will
Speaker 1: generally do pretty good in short seasons, but they don't
Speaker 1: really do well in really warm climates. So if you're
Speaker 1: in say Florida, it's gonna be really difficult. Um. But
Speaker 1: that that's kind of how you want to start thinking
Speaker 1: about those processes. Learning what the colt season plants are,
Speaker 1: what the warm season plants are, where you fit in
Speaker 1: in terms of the zone that you live within, and
Speaker 1: again starting to think about, okay, the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: when did we get the last frost, Because it's not
Speaker 1: what it might say ten years ago is your average
Speaker 1: last frost? Those days are pretty much gone. I know
Speaker 1: here in Portland we're currently growing a lot of potatoes
Speaker 1: and that's been that's been kind of our our our
Speaker 1: big haul. Also, tomatoes did very good this year, particularly
Speaker 1: because of our big heat domes they got we got
Speaker 1: the tomatoes did so much better than what they what
Speaker 1: they usually do we've like canned so many tomatoes just
Speaker 1: because we just we have so many more than what
Speaker 1: we're used to. But if I do find that interesting,
Speaker 1: being like, you know, climate change obviously being generally a
Speaker 1: net bad, but you know, in some cases for growing,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make certain crops easier to grow, but you know,
Speaker 1: other crops will be harder to grow. It's something I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk more about in the first five heavily
Speaker 1: scripted it could happen here season two episodes. It is
Speaker 1: like particularly how different growing regions are going to shift
Speaker 1: up and how like you know, Canada, for instance, is
Speaker 1: going to have a lot more agriculture in the next
Speaker 1: years just because so many, so many climates are slowly
Speaker 1: inching upwards. But you know, even in places like Georgia
Speaker 1: and other places where different if you know, specific plants
Speaker 1: are growing, all that stuff is gonna be changing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this is affecting coffee and how we're getting less and
Speaker 1: less space and land that's actually able to grow coffee
Speaker 1: because basically plants, you know, growers have to move their
Speaker 1: plants up a mountain every year in order to make
Speaker 1: the coffee actually work, which is why we're just gonna
Speaker 1: we're just gonna run out of space. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that is obviously the more negative sides of things and
Speaker 1: California lack of rainwater and just and just lack of rain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely rain, Yeah absolutely, And that brings up a really
Speaker 1: important point that you know, you're talking about moving the
Speaker 1: coffee trees further and further up a mountain. As the
Speaker 1: areas that are considered prime agricultural areas moves north for us,
Speaker 1: you have to think about the infrastructural challenges that brings.
Speaker 1: So it's not just you're going to grow the crops
Speaker 1: in one place, but the infrastructure, the trains, all these
Speaker 1: different things don't exist in the places where you'll be
Speaker 1: able to grow those foods. So speaking of something you
Speaker 1: know around that rough kind of idea is like, if
Speaker 1: someone's never never done this before, they're out to go
Speaker 1: get stuff, where would you where would someone like that
Speaker 1: find seats? Um, let's say that they don't let's say
Speaker 1: they don't use the internet, tons um areabouts where you
Speaker 1: think they'll go and get cauliflower seeds or carrot seeds
Speaker 1: if they if they want to start doing this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of different growers that offer seeds,
Speaker 1: and one of the things to keep in mind with
Speaker 1: annuals is that it does make sense if you can
Speaker 1: to buy them locally, because what within a couple of generations,
Speaker 1: plants will start evolving towards local conditions. It's it's really beneficial,
Speaker 1: especially with like I said, with climate change, to start
Speaker 1: thinking about how can we integrate our food systems into
Speaker 1: the ecological conditions where we live, and that ecology includes
Speaker 1: the climate. So we have to continuously more thoughtfully start
Speaker 1: thinking about these things and how we grow food and
Speaker 1: where those foods come from in order to really be
Speaker 1: able to deal with and mitigate the effects of climate change.
Speaker 1: So a great resources Johnny's Seed. They do a lot
Speaker 1: of really good work and there they have good quality stuff.
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of seed companies out there that
Speaker 1: have done some really problematic stuff that I won't go
Speaker 1: into or talk about, but they're these guys, does far
Speaker 1: as I'm aware of, pretty good, so I would definitely
Speaker 1: recommend them. Awesome. Yeah, their website is just Johnny Seeds
Speaker 1: dot com just for everyone who's looking that up at
Speaker 1: Johnny with a y good for Johnny with a yes, great,
Speaker 1: All right, let's now, let's say someone lives in a
Speaker 1: downtown apartment in a metropolitan area. They don't have immediate
Speaker 1: access to you know, tons of dirt or you know grass,
Speaker 1: but they want to start kind of growing some stuff.
Speaker 1: If if you were in that position, what would you
Speaker 1: start doing? And to that, I want to to part
Speaker 1: that that would be somebody with a balcony where they
Speaker 1: have access to like even like a little patti area
Speaker 1: or those and then without yeah, sure, So there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things you can do. Starting with if
Speaker 1: you have a balcony, you can start thinking about getting pots,
Speaker 1: filling them up with soil, amending that soil as needed
Speaker 1: as you add plants. And again the general rule is
Speaker 1: to think about how bigger plant gets, and how big
Speaker 1: a plant gets is how big its root system is
Speaker 1: going to get. I mean, it's not accurate by any means,
Speaker 1: but it's just a good rule of thumb to think
Speaker 1: about as you're doing something like this. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you have a tiny pot, then something that gets
Speaker 1: big is not going to work. Might be better for
Speaker 1: a lettuce or whatever. And there's a bunch of different
Speaker 1: places you can look online for how to grow things
Speaker 1: on balconies and things like that. You can also and
Speaker 1: this is really dependent on money, is start thinking about
Speaker 1: things like grow lights, which really are not that complicated
Speaker 1: once you start learning a bit about them, hydroponics, which
Speaker 1: comes with their own challenges because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, while it's nice to be able to grow
Speaker 1: food in your house, you're still relying on extractive processes.
Speaker 1: So you know your nutrients are coming from fossil fuel essentially,
Speaker 1: So that's just something to be aware of. It's probably
Speaker 1: still better than the alternative of buying food on the shelf,
Speaker 1: but it is something to be aware of in that
Speaker 1: process that it's not really a sustainable quote unquote practice
Speaker 1: at it. And what are some of the go twos
Speaker 1: for a balcony garden that you would recommend for people
Speaker 1: that are just starting out. Definitely, those leafy greens are
Speaker 1: a good place to start. They grow small, they have
Speaker 1: smaller roots systems. Most times, things like lettuces don't need
Speaker 1: a ton of sun to grow super well. As long
Speaker 1: as they get a decent amount, they'll be fine. They're
Speaker 1: not like a tomato that's gonna like be desperately looking
Speaker 1: for that that sun in that energy. So those smaller
Speaker 1: greens are generally a better option. Great. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: able to grow kale and like a pot this of
Speaker 1: this winter and it was great. Yeah, kale is a
Speaker 1: great one here in New England. It's really nice because
Speaker 1: you can grow it under glass during the winter, so
Speaker 1: even if you get a cold spell, it will stay
Speaker 1: just warm enough to make it pretty much throughout the winter.
Speaker 1: All right, Now, I have no balcony. I only have
Speaker 1: you know, two small windows, you know I have. I
Speaker 1: have like a counter and stuff you know, I can
Speaker 1: like in the set ups off, but I do not
Speaker 1: have tons of outdoor access. But I would like to
Speaker 1: stop buying dil every time I go to the store
Speaker 1: because I use it in my homemade ranch dressing. Now,
Speaker 1: can I just buy those like pre pre potted stuff
Speaker 1: and just water them or kind of get like if
Speaker 1: if if I want to get more in depth, what
Speaker 1: are they? You know, some things that are beyond that,
Speaker 1: but not you know, making this, you know, making this
Speaker 1: giant set up so you could be creative and do
Speaker 1: something that's less than eagle. And there's this practice known
Speaker 1: as guerrilla gardening. I was I was gonna mention girla
Speaker 1: grilla gardening soon yeah. Sure. So this is like something
Speaker 1: that works really well, and there's a bunch of different
Speaker 1: ways you can do it, and it really depends on
Speaker 1: your local conditions and what can grow out in the
Speaker 1: wild and needs a lot of maintenance and what doesn't.
Speaker 1: And I don't know the Pacific Northwest that well, but
Speaker 1: it is warm enough that I think dill would probably
Speaker 1: do fine, and it is wet enough that dill would
Speaker 1: probably we do fine. So you could just go anywhere
Speaker 1: where there's green space that nobody checks things and just
Speaker 1: drop some plants in. You could start seedlings in your
Speaker 1: house and bring them where you want to harvest it later,
Speaker 1: and it's on your walk to work or where you
Speaker 1: get coffee or whatever. Drop it in the ground, make
Speaker 1: sure the roots are you know, not bound up, and
Speaker 1: make sure it's got a nice water wrench right when
Speaker 1: you put it in the ground so it starts adjusting.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's that's the first step in
Speaker 1: something as simple as guerrilla aggricule. One of the first
Speaker 1: things that we tried to do when I got kind
Speaker 1: of started in you know, the you know Portland's is
Speaker 1: kind of more lefty seed was, you know, ideas for
Speaker 1: you know, building a community garden somewhere, and yeah, because
Speaker 1: there is just a lot of dirt, especially in Portland's
Speaker 1: specifically low you just because we just have so much
Speaker 1: green space. Uh, there's a lot of places to to
Speaker 1: start grilla gardening, to start doing our own little community garden.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have any alleged experience in guerrilla gardening. Yes,
Speaker 1: So if you're on Instagram, I post a bit about
Speaker 1: some of the guerrilla gardening stuff that I do. UM.
Speaker 1: I generally focus on guerrilla gardening not necessarily for my
Speaker 1: own consumption, but more for ecological mitigation for damage from
Speaker 1: um clear cutting and things like that. So I go
Speaker 1: out and try to plant things that are native to
Speaker 1: regions and try to bring them back a little bit.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the challenges that we see here
Speaker 1: on the East Coast is not only are our city
Speaker 1: is not really designed with green space and mind and
Speaker 1: for community gardens, I almost never recommend them, just because
Speaker 1: in places like Boston they're hard to get into and
Speaker 1: a lot of major cities like you can be on
Speaker 1: wait lists for years. So that's not really a short
Speaker 1: term solution or a solution for a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are rather transient where you might move communities every
Speaker 1: three or four or five years. UM. So, like guerrilla
Speaker 1: gardening works really great for those folks because you can
Speaker 1: do it when you want and how you want. Nothing
Speaker 1: says community like a waitlist, right, No. But like in
Speaker 1: terms of community gardens, I think, you know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking about how they get involved
Speaker 1: in mutual aid and stuff, especially if they don't have
Speaker 1: like friends or like they don't have many friends or
Speaker 1: connections to activism. I think one of the best ways
Speaker 1: to start anything like that is just all you need
Speaker 1: is like yourself and maybe one or two other people
Speaker 1: that you know to just start a community garden somewhere.
Speaker 1: And that's a very very nice on ramp into like
Speaker 1: community organizing. Absolutely back in Portland, when I used to
Speaker 1: live in the Southwest, there was there's just whole like
Speaker 1: community plots that are like you know, more like official
Speaker 1: but still pretty like decentralized that you could just basically
Speaker 1: go up to one of the bankt plots and just
Speaker 1: start planting food in this community setting, and like once
Speaker 1: a month, all of the different gardeners would like get
Speaker 1: together and talk about what they're growing and stuff, and
Speaker 1: they could you know, could trade produce, be like, I'm
Speaker 1: growing I'm growing pumpkins, you're growing butternut squash. I want
Speaker 1: one of your squash. I want one of your pumpkins. Right,
Speaker 1: you can like that kind of stuff. Um or if
Speaker 1: you know, if you end up having with having like
Speaker 1: a larger hole, you could just give it out to
Speaker 1: random people. It turns out people might like receiving fresh produce.
Speaker 1: That could be another way of making friends and making connections.
Speaker 1: If you're kind of isolated in the city and you
Speaker 1: only have one or two other people, you can't start
Speaker 1: start a new community garden somewhere in the city, just
Speaker 1: like scope out a spot, start growing and then and
Speaker 1: to speak to that. You know. One of the things
Speaker 1: is that if you act like your official and you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be there, and you know you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be there, people generally don't really question you, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to plants. Like if I go to like
Speaker 1: a median and go plant some trees, like as long
Speaker 1: as I like I know what I'm doing and like
Speaker 1: don't look like I'm trying to be sneaky, no one
Speaker 1: ever questions me. And that that's the key thing is
Speaker 1: to really make it clear that, like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be there when whenever I eventually I'll put
Speaker 1: together an episode on like urban stealth and stuff. And
Speaker 1: there's nothing more powerful than like a hive is vest
Speaker 1: just an incredibly powerful tool for making people glaze over
Speaker 1: you and think you're a professional. It's amazing. Or in
Speaker 1: this case, like when I'm doing what I do, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll borrow someone's old beat up pickup truck and throw
Speaker 1: a couple of big trees in the back and like
Speaker 1: you see that pulled over on the side of the
Speaker 1: road with its hazard lights on. Nobody's going to question that.
Speaker 1: It's like a town or a city. And if somebody
Speaker 1: from the town shows up as I'm from the DPW
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, there's it's incredibly incredibly useful. Um and yeah,
Speaker 1: but like getting to know you know, if you're like
Speaker 1: I don't know where to find a local you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to like where I would pick
Speaker 1: a local community garden spot, be like you should like
Speaker 1: get to know your local area. It's in another great
Speaker 1: way of figure ring out how to start doing any
Speaker 1: mutulate or anything. It's like you need to know where
Speaker 1: you live and like, what's what's around you? Who others
Speaker 1: who you know? Maybe in your search to find the
Speaker 1: community garden, you might find one that already exists. If
Speaker 1: you're unfamiliar with your you know, with if you're in
Speaker 1: the metropolitan area or if you're more out in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, you may not know what's around you.
Speaker 1: And I mean looking out to see what's actually in
Speaker 1: the community. It is one of the first big steps
Speaker 1: to have any kind of and that plays out also
Speaker 1: in ecology. So you know, if you're in a city,
Speaker 1: most cities have public forest parks, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: And part of not knowing what's around you, or knowing
Speaker 1: rather what's around you is starting to identify the plants
Speaker 1: that are already around you. And while there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of action in terms of thinking about things like foraging, um,
Speaker 1: there's there's a ton of opportunity for us to start
Speaker 1: looking at foods that we don't traditionally think of foods
Speaker 1: but produce a ton of calories. So something like oaks.
Speaker 1: Oaks are across the United States. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any state without oak trees and acorns can be a
Speaker 1: huge part of anyone's diet if they're willing to take
Speaker 1: the time and more and about them. And that's not
Speaker 1: something that's radical or anything. It's something that's been done
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. It's just in in our lifetime,
Speaker 1: in our parents lifetime, that that knowledge and that experience
Speaker 1: has been mostly lost. But it's not something that's weird
Speaker 1: or unaccessible or any of those types of things. Absolutely, um,
Speaker 1: I think this is actually a decent cutting off point
Speaker 1: for this episode and then the next in in in
Speaker 1: the In the next episode in the feed here we
Speaker 1: will focus more on ecology um books, more on soil
Speaker 1: and maybe get into permaculture and some other kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: because I would love to learn more about you know,
Speaker 1: specific soil stuff and you know different you know, more
Speaker 1: insight to our current like growing situation overall as like
Speaker 1: a country and how you know stuff is changing. But um,
Speaker 1: would you like to plug anything really to you or
Speaker 1: any other like reason verses on this topic before we
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