WEBVTT - Growing Food & Guerrilla Gardening 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.239 Welcome. This is it could happen here daily. Uh. This 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.480 week we are focusing on different ways to actually start 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.760 doing things. You know, we've talked a lot about ideas 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.320 and we like you know, made some broad recommendations um 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.800 and you know, had people on to give specific insights 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.680 and you know, different things. But we're trying to focus 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.480 this week and then you know more in the future. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.760 Is like, if you're brand new to this sort of thing, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.280 how to actually start doing stuff. And one of the 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.280 things we talked about a lot is a lot almost 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.080 everyone we've interviewed has mentioned us at some point that 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:43.240 trying to get more active in the things you're consuming 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.720 and the things that you're eating. And one of the 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.479 ways to do that is by just literally growing your 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.760 own food. I went when I was growing up, I 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.560 mean my grandparents operate, I mean like they you stopped 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.200 right like like like like a large, large farm. Now 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.920 they operate kind of like a farm that just like 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.120 feeds them. So whenever I'm at my grandparents in Canada, 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:05.920 usually we you know, we just eat all the food 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.240 they grow, whether that be like produce, um. They also 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.520 do like their own hunting, They make their own sausage, like, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.720 you know, they preserve meats. So like I kind of 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.440 grew up around this type of thing because just how 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.520 self reliant some of my family is, but not everyone 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.440 may have this kind of background, and so you know, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.000 this idea of growing your own food can feel maybe 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.640 a little bit daunting. Um. And to help us talk 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.639 about food and then eventually soil and other kind of things, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.679 I have invited a guest on from another kind of 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:43.520 podcast in this that operates in the same rough, rough framework, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.319 I would say, probably how to how to kind of 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.280 slowly improve improve the world? Um uh do I do? 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.920 Won't explain who you are and what's your what's your 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.240 whats your project is? Sure? So my name is Andy. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.680 I'm the post of the Poor Roles Almanac. We're a 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:04.280 pod cast that's focused on thinking about after collaps how 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.720 do we things like climate change and collaps impact things 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.679 like food systems, and what can we do today to 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:15.160 prepare for what's coming in the future. Yeah. I feel 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.640 like it's not not a coincidence that all of these 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.800 different kind of projects are getting more popular around the 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.360 same time, because we're looking at the world and being like, huh, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.600 this doesn't seem very sustainable, So we better we better 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.760 start figuring out what to do with all these systems 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.359 kind of slowly, you know, start losing parts. I want 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:39.880 to talk about kind of food today. I want to 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.480 want to maybe branch off into like a few different directions. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:49.359 Branch that's a plant plant plant pun um what a 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.040 branch off in a few different directions both like, you know, 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:53.359 what do you do if you have like your own 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.240 house and yard or maybe you're like more ruled, you 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:57.679 have lots of space, and then also king of the 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.880 inverse of like let's say you lived in like a 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.000 cramp city apartment, different things that you can do. Let's 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.399 probably start with like the rule, just to like give 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.280 a you know, a more like base background. You know, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.480 you have more of like a standard set up for 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.600 what you're able to do. If someone's never grown anything before, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.519 they've never like maybe they've had like one house plant, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.120 but like they've never grown anything, what what do you 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.960 think is the best first like preparation steps before you 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.280 actually you know, go and start buying seeds and stuff. Sure, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.639 so when it comes to growing food, it's really not 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.080 that complicated. Chances are if you have a front yard, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.360 we're talking about someplace that's pretty rural, assuming that climate 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.360 is in someplace super dry, you're generally going to be 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.280 thinking about growing food someplace where grass probably already grows. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.080 So if grass is already grown there, you know things 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.800 can grow there. And really that's that's as simple as 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.200 it can be. It can be more complicated. We can 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.600 start talking about things like soil pH and nutrients and 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.040 all of these other things, but really, when it comes 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.640 down to it, if you put a seed in the 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.920 ground and the temperature is not too warm or cold, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.760 and it gets rained but not too much rain, the 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.960 plant's going to grow. And if you've got some say 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.800 a couple of acres and you want to cut out 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.640 a little section of it to grow some food, uh, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.239 that that's as simple as it really can be. And 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.240 you can go to whatever store and buy seats. So 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.000 like that, that's a good place to start. And obviously, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.880 depending on where you live, you want to think about 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.000 things like lead in the in the soil if you 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.640 live someplace near an old house, or maybe if you're 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.560 near some place where there was manufacturing. And one of 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.080 the things to keep in mind is that a lot 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.440 of older settlements, even if there isn't a factory there. Now, 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.560 it's very possible there was a factory years ago, it's 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.760 been demoed and you never even knew it was there. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.120 So it's really important if you do live in someplace 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.599 that has that manufacturing background or an old house to 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.960 really check for things like lead in the soil because 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.440 that can be really dangerous. And there's yeah, very accessible 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.280 like old testing kits available that stares on online. Okay, yeah, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.640 it's like I think fifteen dollars you can have a 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.480 soil sample taken and you can find out everything that's 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.040 in it, just like the pH and you know if 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.160 it's too acidic and things like that. So yeah, you 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.840 you figure out you wanna you want to start growing stuff? 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.600 You have you have some space, whether it be like 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.560 a front yard or maybe like like even like an 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.000 open field if you're lucky, Um, what kind of what 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.640 kind of stuff do you think? You know? Should I 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.320 just jump in and buy any kind of seed that 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.360 looks fun, or should I like start with specific things? 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.680 I don't know. It's like, if I really like potatoes, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.880 just go to potatoes. If I really like cauliflowers, just 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.279 to cauliflower. What's kind of the if I'm brand new, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.160 what's the different things that would be worth for straying out? 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.400 So generally speaking, you really want to think about what 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.479 your climate is and I think that's one of the 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:53.960 things that gets missed a lot of times as you 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.719 want to grow things. So like I live in New England, 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.200 growing say watermelon is really a challenge and a lot 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.160 of ways because you have to think about the length 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.200 of my season versus the length it takes for a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.480 watermelon to be a full sized fruit for you to eat. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.560 So depending on where you live, the one thing you 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.680 need to keep in mind is what that length of 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.279 your season is. Now, to get back to the main 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.160 subject of the podcast, talking about things like climate change 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.760 and collapse, that season is changing rapidly right now. We're 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.279 adding days, so the seasons are getting longer, but also 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.680 we're having weird cold snaps later and later into spring, 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.239 so what might have been a traditional season no longer 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.719 really applies anymore. So if you're thinking about this is 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.720 your first year, you don't want to grow anything that 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.479 might be right at the cusp of um being in 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.640 your season, or you don't want to start a plant 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.120 inside and then have to move it outside, and you 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:48.520 have to know whether or not it has a tap 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.599 root and all these other things to make sure that 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.320 you don't damage the plant. Then you definitely want to 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.440 grow something with a shorter season, things like um cold 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:02.440 weather plants, lettuces for please, cauliflowers, things like that will 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.240 generally do pretty good in short seasons, but they don't 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.320 really do well in really warm climates. So if you're 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.400 in say Florida, it's gonna be really difficult. Um. But 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.040 that that's kind of how you want to start thinking 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.800 about those processes. Learning what the colt season plants are, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.040 what the warm season plants are, where you fit in 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.440 in terms of the zone that you live within, and 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.280 again starting to think about, okay, the last couple of years, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.320 when did we get the last frost, Because it's not 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.920 what it might say ten years ago is your average 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.920 last frost? Those days are pretty much gone. I know 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.080 here in Portland we're currently growing a lot of potatoes 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.800 and that's been that's been kind of our our our 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.320 big haul. Also, tomatoes did very good this year, particularly 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.880 because of our big heat domes they got we got 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.120 the tomatoes did so much better than what they what 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.120 they usually do we've like canned so many tomatoes just 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.240 because we just we have so many more than what 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.920 we're used to. But if I do find that interesting, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.320 being like, you know, climate change obviously being generally a 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.640 net bad, but you know, in some cases for growing, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.480 it's gonna make certain crops easier to grow, but you know, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.760 other crops will be harder to grow. It's something I 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.200 wanted to talk more about in the first five heavily 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.120 scripted it could happen here season two episodes. It is 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.720 like particularly how different growing regions are going to shift 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.880 up and how like you know, Canada, for instance, is 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.080 going to have a lot more agriculture in the next 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.800 years just because so many, so many climates are slowly 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.079 inching upwards. But you know, even in places like Georgia 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.120 and other places where different if you know, specific plants 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.520 are growing, all that stuff is gonna be changing. Obviously, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.600 this is affecting coffee and how we're getting less and 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.400 less space and land that's actually able to grow coffee 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.319 because basically plants, you know, growers have to move their 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.440 plants up a mountain every year in order to make 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.600 the coffee actually work, which is why we're just gonna 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.320 we're just gonna run out of space. Um. So yeah, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.520 that is obviously the more negative sides of things and 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.280 California lack of rainwater and just and just lack of rain. Yeah, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.439 absolutely rain, Yeah absolutely, And that brings up a really 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.319 important point that you know, you're talking about moving the 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.199 coffee trees further and further up a mountain. As the 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:19.000 areas that are considered prime agricultural areas moves north for us, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.480 you have to think about the infrastructural challenges that brings. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.000 So it's not just you're going to grow the crops 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.959 in one place, but the infrastructure, the trains, all these 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.480 different things don't exist in the places where you'll be 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:45.880 able to grow those foods. So speaking of something you 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.320 know around that rough kind of idea is like, if 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.920 someone's never never done this before, they're out to go 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.080 get stuff, where would you where would someone like that 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.439 find seats? Um, let's say that they don't let's say 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.720 they don't use the internet, tons um areabouts where you 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.240 think they'll go and get cauliflower seeds or carrot seeds 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.880 if they if they want to start doing this stuff. Yeah, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.000 so there's a bunch of different growers that offer seeds, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.720 and one of the things to keep in mind with 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.600 annuals is that it does make sense if you can 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.400 to buy them locally, because what within a couple of generations, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.240 plants will start evolving towards local conditions. It's it's really beneficial, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.880 especially with like I said, with climate change, to start 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.120 thinking about how can we integrate our food systems into 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.720 the ecological conditions where we live, and that ecology includes 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.439 the climate. So we have to continuously more thoughtfully start 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.200 thinking about these things and how we grow food and 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.560 where those foods come from in order to really be 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.360 able to deal with and mitigate the effects of climate change. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.880 So a great resources Johnny's Seed. They do a lot 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.680 of really good work and there they have good quality stuff. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.559 And there's a bunch of seed companies out there that 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.840 have done some really problematic stuff that I won't go 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.160 into or talk about, but they're these guys, does far 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.800 as I'm aware of, pretty good, so I would definitely 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.680 recommend them. Awesome. Yeah, their website is just Johnny Seeds 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.880 dot com just for everyone who's looking that up at 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:16.120 Johnny with a y good for Johnny with a yes, great, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.000 All right, let's now, let's say someone lives in a 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.560 downtown apartment in a metropolitan area. They don't have immediate 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.640 access to you know, tons of dirt or you know grass, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.320 but they want to start kind of growing some stuff. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.240 If if you were in that position, what would you 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.880 start doing? And to that, I want to to part 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.120 that that would be somebody with a balcony where they 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.440 have access to like even like a little patti area 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.280 or those and then without yeah, sure, So there's a 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.080 bunch of different things you can do. Starting with if 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.840 you have a balcony, you can start thinking about getting pots, 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.199 filling them up with soil, amending that soil as needed 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.080 as you add plants. And again the general rule is 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.840 to think about how bigger plant gets, and how big 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.679 a plant gets is how big its root system is 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.640 going to get. I mean, it's not accurate by any means, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.000 but it's just a good rule of thumb to think 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.520 about as you're doing something like this. And you know, 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.760 if you have a tiny pot, then something that gets 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.440 big is not going to work. Might be better for 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.240 a lettuce or whatever. And there's a bunch of different 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.960 places you can look online for how to grow things 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.880 on balconies and things like that. You can also and 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.959 this is really dependent on money, is start thinking about 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.120 things like grow lights, which really are not that complicated 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.520 once you start learning a bit about them, hydroponics, which 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.280 comes with their own challenges because at the end of 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:38.880 the day, while it's nice to be able to grow 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.839 food in your house, you're still relying on extractive processes. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.800 So you know your nutrients are coming from fossil fuel essentially, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.520 So that's just something to be aware of. It's probably 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.760 still better than the alternative of buying food on the shelf, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.199 but it is something to be aware of in that 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.920 process that it's not really a sustainable quote unquote practice 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.360 at it. And what are some of the go twos 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.040 for a balcony garden that you would recommend for people 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.800 that are just starting out. Definitely, those leafy greens are 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.120 a good place to start. They grow small, they have 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.400 smaller roots systems. Most times, things like lettuces don't need 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.640 a ton of sun to grow super well. As long 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.880 as they get a decent amount, they'll be fine. They're 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.079 not like a tomato that's gonna like be desperately looking 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.720 for that that sun in that energy. So those smaller 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:33.439 greens are generally a better option. Great. Yeah, I was 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.360 able to grow kale and like a pot this of 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.960 this winter and it was great. Yeah, kale is a 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.079 great one here in New England. It's really nice because 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.680 you can grow it under glass during the winter, so 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.000 even if you get a cold spell, it will stay 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.640 just warm enough to make it pretty much throughout the winter. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.120 All right, Now, I have no balcony. I only have 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.600 you know, two small windows, you know I have. I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.079 have like a counter and stuff you know, I can 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.080 like in the set ups off, but I do not 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.280 have tons of outdoor access. But I would like to 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.040 stop buying dil every time I go to the store 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.959 because I use it in my homemade ranch dressing. Now, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.920 can I just buy those like pre pre potted stuff 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.079 and just water them or kind of get like if 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.120 if if I want to get more in depth, what 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.120 are they? You know, some things that are beyond that, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.280 but not you know, making this, you know, making this 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.840 giant set up so you could be creative and do 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:34.400 something that's less than eagle. And there's this practice known 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.320 as guerrilla gardening. I was I was gonna mention girla 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.760 grilla gardening soon yeah. Sure. So this is like something 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.240 that works really well, and there's a bunch of different 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.360 ways you can do it, and it really depends on 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.600 your local conditions and what can grow out in the 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.560 wild and needs a lot of maintenance and what doesn't. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.680 And I don't know the Pacific Northwest that well, but 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.920 it is warm enough that I think dill would probably 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.760 do fine, and it is wet enough that dill would 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.400 probably we do fine. So you could just go anywhere 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.640 where there's green space that nobody checks things and just 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.520 drop some plants in. You could start seedlings in your 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.920 house and bring them where you want to harvest it later, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.480 and it's on your walk to work or where you 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.680 get coffee or whatever. Drop it in the ground, make 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.440 sure the roots are you know, not bound up, and 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.760 make sure it's got a nice water wrench right when 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.680 you put it in the ground so it starts adjusting. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.800 And that's you know, that's that's the first step in 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:41.520 something as simple as guerrilla aggricule. One of the first 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.920 things that we tried to do when I got kind 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.960 of started in you know, the you know Portland's is 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.960 kind of more lefty seed was, you know, ideas for 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.280 you know, building a community garden somewhere, and yeah, because 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.200 there is just a lot of dirt, especially in Portland's 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.600 specifically low you just because we just have so much 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.600 green space. Uh, there's a lot of places to to 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.480 start grilla gardening, to start doing our own little community garden. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:14.400 Do you do you have any alleged experience in guerrilla gardening. Yes, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.440 So if you're on Instagram, I post a bit about 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.400 some of the guerrilla gardening stuff that I do. UM. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:26.600 I generally focus on guerrilla gardening not necessarily for my 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.960 own consumption, but more for ecological mitigation for damage from 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.320 um clear cutting and things like that. So I go 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.200 out and try to plant things that are native to 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.920 regions and try to bring them back a little bit. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.920 So that's one of the challenges that we see here 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.920 on the East Coast is not only are our city 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.800 is not really designed with green space and mind and 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.840 for community gardens, I almost never recommend them, just because 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.400 in places like Boston they're hard to get into and 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.120 a lot of major cities like you can be on 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.240 wait lists for years. So that's not really a short 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.720 term solution or a solution for a lot of people 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.080 that are rather transient where you might move communities every 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.959 three or four or five years. UM. So, like guerrilla 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.920 gardening works really great for those folks because you can 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.520 do it when you want and how you want. Nothing 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.399 says community like a waitlist, right, No. But like in 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.840 terms of community gardens, I think, you know, there's been 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.000 a lot of people asking about how they get involved 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.840 in mutual aid and stuff, especially if they don't have 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.480 like friends or like they don't have many friends or 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.680 connections to activism. I think one of the best ways 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.720 to start anything like that is just all you need 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.840 is like yourself and maybe one or two other people 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.800 that you know to just start a community garden somewhere. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.399 And that's a very very nice on ramp into like 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.240 community organizing. Absolutely back in Portland, when I used to 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.960 live in the Southwest, there was there's just whole like 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.200 community plots that are like you know, more like official 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.320 but still pretty like decentralized that you could just basically 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.239 go up to one of the bankt plots and just 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.720 start planting food in this community setting, and like once 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.720 a month, all of the different gardeners would like get 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.359 together and talk about what they're growing and stuff, and 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.680 they could you know, could trade produce, be like, I'm 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:14.080 growing I'm growing pumpkins, you're growing butternut squash. I want 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 one of your squash. I want one of your pumpkins. Right, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.119 you can like that kind of stuff. Um or if 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.679 you know, if you end up having with having like 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.720 a larger hole, you could just give it out to 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.120 random people. It turns out people might like receiving fresh produce. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.119 That could be another way of making friends and making connections. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.320 If you're kind of isolated in the city and you 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.240 only have one or two other people, you can't start 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.000 start a new community garden somewhere in the city, just 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.119 like scope out a spot, start growing and then and 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.640 to speak to that. You know. One of the things 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.800 is that if you act like your official and you're 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.720 supposed to be there, and you know you're supposed to 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.600 be there, people generally don't really question you, especially when 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.960 it comes to plants. Like if I go to like 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.479 a median and go plant some trees, like as long 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.320 as I like I know what I'm doing and like 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.680 don't look like I'm trying to be sneaky, no one 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.080 ever questions me. And that that's the key thing is 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.320 to really make it clear that, like, you know, you're 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.680 supposed to be there when whenever I eventually I'll put 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.600 together an episode on like urban stealth and stuff. And 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.920 there's nothing more powerful than like a hive is vest 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.960 just an incredibly powerful tool for making people glaze over 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.600 you and think you're a professional. It's amazing. Or in 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.919 this case, like when I'm doing what I do, you know, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.880 I'll borrow someone's old beat up pickup truck and throw 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.760 a couple of big trees in the back and like 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.200 you see that pulled over on the side of the 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.760 road with its hazard lights on. Nobody's going to question that. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.800 It's like a town or a city. And if somebody 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.760 from the town shows up as I'm from the DPW 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:48.720 or whatever. Yeah, there's it's incredibly incredibly useful. Um and yeah, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:50.679 but like getting to know you know, if you're like 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.320 I don't know where to find a local you know, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.320 I don't know how to like where I would pick 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.159 a local community garden spot, be like you should like 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.360 get to know your local area. It's in another great 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.720 way of figure ring out how to start doing any 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.240 mutulate or anything. It's like you need to know where 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.880 you live and like, what's what's around you? Who others 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.800 who you know? Maybe in your search to find the 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.719 community garden, you might find one that already exists. If 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.359 you're unfamiliar with your you know, with if you're in 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.840 the metropolitan area or if you're more out in the 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280 middle of nowhere, you may not know what's around you. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.240 And I mean looking out to see what's actually in 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.120 the community. It is one of the first big steps 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.240 to have any kind of and that plays out also 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.160 in ecology. So you know, if you're in a city, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.000 most cities have public forest parks, whatever it might be. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.160 And part of not knowing what's around you, or knowing 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.240 rather what's around you is starting to identify the plants 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.480 that are already around you. And while there's been a 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.320 lot of action in terms of thinking about things like foraging, um, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.520