1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, This is Anna Navarro and this is a 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: bonus episode of Leap with Anna Navarro. Happy Holy Thursday, 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: and Eastern Miracle has occurred. My former friend Pambondi has 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: been fired. Yes, the apprentice to Attorney General is ousted 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: and gone, Ding dong. The witch is gone. Okay, So 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to come out here and chat with you, 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: give you my perspective. Pam Bondy is somebody that I 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: have known for decades from Florida, Pambondie. Honestly, here in Florida, 9 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the truth. Nobody would have ever 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: said she was a legal legal Nobody would have said 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: she was the sharpest knife in the door. What she 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: brought to the table was that she was nice, that 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: she had people skills, that you could work with her, 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: that you could compromise with her, That she was a moderate. 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: She was a Jeb Bush Republican when I first met her, 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: and she went from that transformed. It was like an 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: episode of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and she 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: turned into the person we have seen for the last 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: year and a half. That began happening gradually. She's had 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: a long relationship with Donald Trump, There was a lot 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: of talk in Florida because when she was Attorney General 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: there were accusations against the Trump Foundation in Florida, and 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: mal Feason's Donald Trump gave her a twenty five thousand 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: dollars donation. She started showing up at mar Lago, and 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the investigations into his foundation in 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Florida disappeared, much like she's disappearing from the Department of 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Justice today. So she's been sucking up to Donald Trump 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: for a very long time. She's been very friendly, has 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: like a personal friendship with the folks at Fox News 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity, and she would go on his show a 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: lot Defan Trump, talk about Trump. Just be a completely 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: different person than what she was in Florida. I kid 33 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: you not. When she was in Florida, she was gay friendly. 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: She was just a really nice person to hang around 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: with and to be out with. She and I used 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: to go out drinking. She would come to Miami and 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: we would stay up drinking and talking like normal people, 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: like girlfriends. So okay, she sucks up to Trump. Really, 39 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: she sucked up to Trump for years and she did 40 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: it masterfully. Her cheeks need filler. They are so sunk 41 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: in from sucking up and smooching that man's ass. So okay, 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: she becomes attorney general in Trump term two. Trump term 43 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: two was not about qualifications, which is why she could 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: have the job, as we've seen with Christine, as we've 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: seen with Pete. Heg said that the Department of Defense, 46 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: this is not about qualifications. This was about having yes 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: men and women around him and people who would never 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: push back, never tell him no, and do exactly everything 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: he wanted them to do. And Pam Bondy did just that. 50 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: But even that, as much as she sucked up to him, 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: as much as she did everything he wanted her to do, 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: she became a liability. And not only that, he was 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: never happy because you see Donald Trump wanted Pam Bondy 54 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: to prosecute, to indict, and prosecute his political enemies James 55 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: call me, Letitia James, the long list of political enemies 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: he has. But here's the problem. If you don't have 57 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: a case, if the law, if the facts, if the 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: evidence isn't on your side, you can't go into court 59 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: and get these people magically indicted and prosecute them. And 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: that's the problem she was running into. And why Donald 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Trump has been so pissed at her now. She, as 62 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Susie Wiles said in an interview earlier in the year, 63 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: she completely whiffed the handling of the Epstein case. We 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: remember when she went on Fox News and breathlessly announced 65 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: that all the Epstein files were on her desk. Well, 66 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: now we know that that's impossible because it's six million files. 67 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: So if they were on her desk, then her desk 68 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: is the size of a boat. But not only that, 69 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: she then had MAGA influencers into the White House and 70 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: she enthusiastically gave them these binders full of the Epstein files. 71 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: They were like half full, and there wasn't shit in them, 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: and they were onto her. They didn't buy it. They 73 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: were pissed as hell. And so for the last months, 74 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: Pambody has had to explain the inconsistency between what she 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: said about the Epstein files during the campaign, when she 76 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: first became Attorney General, when she had those MAGA influencers 77 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: into the White House, and what she has been saying now. 78 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Not only that, but we saw her performative theatrics in 79 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: front of the House and Senate Judiciary committees every time 80 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: there was a hearing and it was like like literally 81 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: like you were seeing like like a like a middle 82 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: school play. The the exaggerated features and motions and gestures 83 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: and the haughtiness and the nose up and the just 84 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean really, she was like a like a like 85 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: a class B, class C, make that a D list 86 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: actress in a middle school play playing Lady Macbeth. Out, 87 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: you damn spot out. We saw her with her stupid 88 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: folder of takedowns of Democratic congress people and senators. It 89 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, it played well the first time, and I 90 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 1: think Trump liked it. The second time. She just looked 91 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: so deeply ridiculous and deeply unserious and rather stupid and 92 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: childish and infantile and not up to the job. And people, 93 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Americans, including MAGA, have been pissed at 94 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: as hell at her handling or mishandling of the Epstein files. 95 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: People want those files released. Congress in a bipartisan manner, 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: called for those files to be released. Congress, in a 97 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: bipartisan manner, called for Pam Bondi as a subpoenat pambody. 98 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: She was scheduled to appear in front of Congress and 99 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: testify on the Epstein files on April fourteenth. Don't know 100 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with that. But so the question 101 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I had though, is Pam Bondi's been a disaster from 102 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: day one. Pam Bondy has not been able to prosecute 103 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's enemies because there's nothing to prosecute. Pam Bondy 104 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: has mishandled the Epstein files. This is not new. So 105 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: why is she getting fired now? I think there's a 106 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: few things happening. Number One, Trump's numbers are in the dumps. 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: He's got lower numbers than Richard Nixon did when he 108 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: was impeached. And two, he is he has thrown us 109 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: into a war that is incredibly unpopular. Just a few 110 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: days ago, he gave us speech, he gave us State 111 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: of the he gave an address to the nation, and 112 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: people were left just as pissed off after that address 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: as they were before that address. So he is unpopular. 114 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: His war is unpopular. And with Trump, everything he does, 115 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: think about the distraction quality to it. Is he distracting 116 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: us from something. Yes, he is distracting us from the 117 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: fact that this war is a disaster that we don't 118 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: know when we're gonna get out of it, that the 119 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: gas prices are at over four dollars, and that Americans 120 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: are hurting in their pocketbooks, and the market, which is 121 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: what he cares the most about, is all over the 122 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: place and has been having some historic lows. And he 123 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: cares about the fact that midterms are six months away 124 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: and he is an albatross around Republicans. Next, his numbers 125 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: are so down, so low, so bad that he is 126 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: going to drag Republicans down. And I am sure he 127 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: is hearing from Republicans about that. So what does he do. 128 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: He fires Pam Bondi, who had become a liability and 129 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: unpopular even with Republicans, even with the Magabase, and who 130 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: frankly apparently had no friends around. Now. I am a 131 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: bit surprised about this one, because she has been courting 132 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: his favor for over a decade now, two because she 133 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: is incredibly a very good friend of Susie Wiles. Susie 134 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Wiles refers to her as her sister. They were both 135 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: in the same lobbying firm in tallahassee Ballard Partners. I 136 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: suspect she might be going back there. I think it 137 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: was I think Trump term one was very lucrative for 138 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Pam BONDI as a lobbyist because she was able to 139 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: exploit and take advantage of her relationships. And I suspect 140 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: that's where she will land again and go back into 141 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: the private sector as a lobbyist and make money off 142 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: of her relationships with Trump. Why I suspect we'll feel 143 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: a little bad about throwing her under the bus, because 144 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if life, if there's a championship in 145 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: life about sucking up to Trump, I gotta tell you 146 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: our girl, Pam was right there in first, second, third place. 147 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: You would have gotten She definitely would have meddled in 148 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the sport of kissing Trump's ass. So those are my 149 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: thoughts about Pam. She had this coming to her. She 150 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: has been a shameful, shameful example of a public servant. 151 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: She has put the DOJ. The DOJ, the morale in 152 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: that department is below the attic, Okay, below the basement. 153 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: It is somewhere so low you can't even see it. 154 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: The Marianas Trench. That is where the morale of the 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: DOJ is. You know that there's been a ton of 156 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: US attorneys and DOJ staff, senior staff who have resigned 157 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: under her leadership. We saw things like Glaine Maxwell get 158 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: transferred to a spa of a prison under her leadership. Actually, 159 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: the guy who did that, Todd Blanche, who was her 160 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: number two, is now the interm Attorney General. I'm not 161 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: sure that he's going to be very different from her, 162 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: but I think in perception, in attitude, in performance, he's 163 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: going to have a different look. He just you know, 164 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: she had become a caricature of a human being. She 165 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: had become a caricature of a witch, a bitch. I'd 166 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: say even more, but I'm gonna stop right there because 167 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: it is Easter Week, and you know it is Holy Thursday. 168 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: So there you have it. Those are my thoughts Pamela. 169 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: Pamela coming back to Florida. All right, it's hot. She'll 170 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: be welcome here by the MAGA, but not by the 171 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: people who knew her like I did, and who have 172 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: been grossly disappointed in her. Thank you for joining and 173 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: don't forget that. A new episode of Bleep with Anna 174 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: Navarro drops on Monday. This week, we interviewed Jamie Raskin, 175 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: Congressman Jamie Raskin, the ranking member of Judiciary Committee. Actually, 176 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: ironically enough, we talked about pam Bondi in that episode, 177 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: not knowing that she was going to be fired just 178 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: a few hours later. I don't think Pam Bondi knew 179 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: she was going to be fired either. Oh man, poor woman. 180 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: Even yesterday she was in the Supreme Court sitting next 181 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: to Trump watching the arguments on the birthright citizenship case. 182 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, she she man, she try. She kissed up 183 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: to the very last minute. And the proof. This is 184 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: proof yet again that sucking up to Trump will only 185 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: get you so far, because the moment he sees you 186 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: as expandable and as a liability, he will drop you 187 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: like a hot potato. 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