WEBVTT - The Cannibal Count of Pisa

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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<v Speaker 1>and Mild from Aaron Manky listener discretion advised. According to

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<v Speaker 1>the medieval Italian writer Dante Alighieri, in the Lowest Circle

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<v Speaker 1>of hell sits a frozen lake. At first, that might

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<v Speaker 1>not sound so bad, kind of a winter wonderland vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, until you take into account the countless heads

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<v Speaker 1>and bodies sticking out of the ice and their screams

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<v Speaker 1>of eternal agony. Those souls who are condemned to this

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<v Speaker 1>the ninth circle of Hell, the circle reserved for traders.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all frozen in various configurations according to the kind

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<v Speaker 1>and depth of their betrayal. We get this chilling depiction

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<v Speaker 1>of Hell from Dante's Inferno, the first part of his

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<v Speaker 1>Divine Comedy, which he completed around thirteen twenty one. The

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<v Speaker 1>poem is the story of Dante imagining himself journeying through

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<v Speaker 1>Hell with the ancient Roman poet Virgil as his guide,

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<v Speaker 1>meeting various characters along the way and contemplating the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of sin and the soul. Of course, in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>Dante and Virgil make their way through the concentric sections

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<v Speaker 1>of the lake called Cocitus after the mythical Greek River

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<v Speaker 1>of Lamentation in the underworld, and they eventually come upon

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<v Speaker 1>two men frozen together in the ice, one in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the other. Dante thought it was odd the men

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<v Speaker 1>were so close that their heads were practically touching. As

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<v Speaker 1>Dante and Virgil got closer, their confusion turned to horror

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<v Speaker 1>as they realized that the man behind was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>continuously gnawing through the skull of the man in front

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<v Speaker 1>of him, a gruesome element in their eternal torment aghast.

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<v Speaker 1>Dante asked the gnawing man who he was and why

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<v Speaker 1>he had been sentenced to such a fate. The poor

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<v Speaker 1>soul took a break from his meal, wiped his face

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<v Speaker 1>on a remaining patch of hair on the other man's head,

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<v Speaker 1>and began to tell his story of betrayal and horror.

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<v Speaker 1>His name, he told them, was Ugolino de la Guerridesco,

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<v Speaker 1>a disgraced peasan nobleman who had died some thirty years prior. Ugolino,

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<v Speaker 1>by his own admission, had led a treasonous life, always

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<v Speaker 1>willing to betray comrades, friends, and even family in the

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of more his traitorous ways. Finally came to an end, however,

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<v Speaker 1>after he betrayed the Archbishop of Pisa, the man who

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<v Speaker 1>was now frozen in front of him during a riot

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<v Speaker 1>in the city. Enraged, the archbishop betrayed Ugolino, in turn

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<v Speaker 1>having him and his children imprisoned in a tower, before

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the key in the river and leaving them to starve.

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<v Speaker 1>After several days, Ugolino told the visitors his children saw

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<v Speaker 1>their father bite his knuckle in grief and mistook it

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<v Speaker 1>for hunger. With a sudden panic, they asked him to

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<v Speaker 1>eat their bodies when they died, so that he might

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<v Speaker 1>survive if only for a bit longer. Father, our pain

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<v Speaker 1>will lessen if you eat us, they begged. Ugolino had

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<v Speaker 1>tried to calm his children, but it did little good,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon it no longer mattered, as their already frail

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<v Speaker 1>bodies began to weaken one by one. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of two agonizing days, Ugolino outlived each of his children.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew hungrier by the minute. As the tortured soul

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in the frozen lake finished his tale, Dante and

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<v Speaker 1>Virgil realized exactly why his punishment was what it was

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<v Speaker 1>eternal cannibalism. Looking up at the writer and the poet

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<v Speaker 1>from his frozen tomb, Ugolino cried, quote, and I already

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<v Speaker 1>going blind, groped over my brood, calling to them, though

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<v Speaker 1>I had watched them die for two long days. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the hunger had more power than even sorrow over me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Danish schwartz, and this is noble blood. Thirteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>Italy could be a brutal place. Ugolino de la Gardesca

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<v Speaker 1>grew up amidst a long standing conflict that centered on

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<v Speaker 1>the tension between the ambitions of the Pope and his

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<v Speaker 1>papal states on one hand, and the Holy Roman Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>on the other. The inciting debate, known as the investiture controversy,

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<v Speaker 1>began in the early twelfth century, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>question over whether secular rulers or the Pope had the

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<v Speaker 1>authority to appoint in areas bishops and abbots. Over time,

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<v Speaker 1>the ruling families of the city states of northern Italy

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<v Speaker 1>began to take their sides on the issue, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Roman Emperor's supporters being known as Gibelines and the

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<v Speaker 1>popes as Guelphs. The Geradesca family were of Germanic descent,

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<v Speaker 1>and their ties to the Hoefenstauffen emperors made them the

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<v Speaker 1>leaders of the Gibelin faction in Pisa, where Ugolino was born.

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<v Speaker 1>The conflict died down to some extent in the late

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth century, but was revived shortly after Ugolino's birth around

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<v Speaker 1>twelve ten twelve fourteen. Like many dynastic rivalries throughout history,

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<v Speaker 1>conflicts arose both over the quote unquote main conflict and

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly over personal and political squabbles between the involved parties.

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<v Speaker 1>There is much more to the longstanding conflicts and entanglements

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<v Speaker 1>between the Ghibeline and Gwelf families, but for our purposes

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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly important to understand that Ugolino's personal and political

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<v Speaker 1>life was defined by pretty constant conflict. Pisa was a

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<v Speaker 1>Gibeline outpost surrounded by several powerful Gwelf city states, notably

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<v Speaker 1>Genoa and Florence. The early years of Ugolino's life are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty unclear to us, but we know that as he

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<v Speaker 1>came of age, he accumulated power, experience, and connections. He

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<v Speaker 1>also accumulated children at least ten or eleven split between

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<v Speaker 1>two marriages, as well as at least one child born

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<v Speaker 1>out of wedlock. Ugolino's early career was defined by military successes,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as a naval commander. In the wake of a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve fifty eight victory against the Genoese sympathetic judicate of

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<v Speaker 1>Calliari in Sardinia, he founded the silver mining city of

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<v Speaker 1>Via de Quisa on the island's west coast, rejuvenating the

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<v Speaker 1>existing town and building a castle, a hospital, and a

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<v Speaker 1>defense wall. That city still exists today, known by its

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish name Iglesia. This victory would have had Ugolino on

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<v Speaker 1>a high he had defeated the Genoese, even if by proxy,

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<v Speaker 1>and cemented his own legacy through the founding of a city.

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<v Speaker 1>It would also have earned him popularity amongst his fellow

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<v Speaker 1>Gibelins in Pisa. But, as would become clear over the

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<v Speaker 1>next several years, Ugolino was far more interested in growing

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<v Speaker 1>his own power than in serving the interests of the

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<v Speaker 1>Peasan nobility or their political faction. By the early twelve

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<v Speaker 1>seventies we find Ugolino already barreling towards his first accusation

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<v Speaker 1>of treason. He began to arouse the suspicions of his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow Gibelins in twelve seventy one, when he married his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter off to Giovanni Visconti, the judge or ruler of Galura,

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<v Speaker 1>another Sardinian judicate. The Visconti were among the most powerful

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<v Speaker 1>Gwelph families in Pisa and the surrounding areas. Ugolino had

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<v Speaker 1>bound his flesh and blood to the enemy under different

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<v Speaker 1>political circumstances that might have been seen as a diplomatic move.

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<v Speaker 1>Countless royal marriages throughout history, many of which we've covered

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, were diplomatic marriages meant to soothe dynastic

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<v Speaker 1>rivalries or prevent disputes over succession, even to merge kingdoms

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<v Speaker 1>to accumulate more power for both families or parties. But

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<v Speaker 1>the deeply entrenched nature of the rivalry between the Gebelins

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<v Speaker 1>and the Guelphs, and the geographically precarious position Pisa was

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<v Speaker 1>in as a Gebeline city surrounded by Gwelf power, meant

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<v Speaker 1>that Ugolino's marriage brokering was seen as very suspicious, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, it seems unlikely that his motives were diplomatic.

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<v Speaker 1>The marriage resulted mostly in increased tension between the Gibilins

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<v Speaker 1>and Guelphs and an opportunity for Ugolino himself to grab

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<v Speaker 1>at more wealth and power. Over the next few years,

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<v Speaker 1>Pisa was beset by riots led by none other than

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino and his son in law Giovanni Visconti. In twelve

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, their involvement in these riots came back to

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<v Speaker 1>bite them. Giovanni was exiled and Ugolino imprisoned. When Giovanni

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<v Speaker 1>died in exile the following year, it was Ugolino's turn

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<v Speaker 1>to be sent away, and he spent the next few

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<v Speaker 1>years in Sardinia until Charles, the first of Anjou, helped

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<v Speaker 1>to engineer his return to Pisa. Upon his return, Ugolino

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<v Speaker 1>went right back to leading Pisa as a military commander.

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<v Speaker 1>His sins seemingly were given and forgotten. However, another opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to grab yet more power soon fell right into Ugolino's lap.

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<v Speaker 1>On August fifth and sixth, twelve eighty four, Pisa fought

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<v Speaker 1>Genoa in a naval battle that would come to be

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Battle of Milura. Ugolino had been appointed

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<v Speaker 1>to captain a naval fleet by the Podesta, or head

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<v Speaker 1>magistrate of Pisa, Albertino Morrissini. The battle was a disaster

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<v Speaker 1>for Pisa. Genoa not only enjoyed a decisive victory, but

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<v Speaker 1>also managed to capture over twenty eight Peasan ships and

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thousand Peason soldiers, including the Podesta himself, along with

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<v Speaker 1>a significant portion of the city's nobility. Ugolino, however, had

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<v Speaker 1>managed to escape Genoa's clutches in a move that would

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<v Speaker 1>be interpreted as calculated by later writers, although it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have been seen that way at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He got away by signaling his surrender to the Genoese

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<v Speaker 1>and withdrawing from the battle. Now there was a power

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum in Pisa, and with much of the nobility in

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<v Speaker 1>Genoese custody, there really was only one choice for who

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<v Speaker 1>should serve as the new Podesta. Why Ugolino della Garadeska.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Two years later, in twelve eighty six, he

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<v Speaker 1>was also appointed Captain of the People, although in this

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<v Speaker 1>he was forced to share power with his grandson, Giovanni's

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<v Speaker 1>son Nino Visconti. It was something of an uncomfortable pairing

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<v Speaker 1>a Ghibeline and a Guelph ruling together. In twelve eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Nino was elected to the position of Podesta, upsetting the

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<v Speaker 1>already delicate balance of power between the two warring factions. That,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, did not sit well with the power hungry Ugolino,

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<v Speaker 1>and worse, while his own gwelf grandson challenged his power

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<v Speaker 1>from within, Pisa gwelth powers Florence and Luca were beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to advance from the outside, along with PISA's longtime rival Genoa.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino managed to pacify Florence and Luca by relinquishing some

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<v Speaker 1>landholdings and castles. When Genoa suggested the same in return

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<v Speaker 1>for the Peasan prisoners, Ugolino hesitated. He was already fighting

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<v Speaker 1>his grandson for supremacy. What was going to happen if

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<v Speaker 1>all of the other nobles returned to the city. Ugolino's

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<v Speaker 1>wheels began to turn, but so did his grandson Nino's.

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<v Speaker 1>It was becoming increasingly clear that the two could not

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<v Speaker 1>ruled together peacefully, and a struggle for power seemed imminent.

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<v Speaker 1>In twelve eighty seven, Nino turned to the Archbishop of Pisa,

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<v Speaker 1>a leader of the Gibeline nobility, asking for his support

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<v Speaker 1>were he to make a play for the position of Podesta, permanently.

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<v Speaker 1>The archbishop seemed sympathetic to Nino's cause and agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>help him. Ugolino got wind of these negotiations and was incensed.

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<v Speaker 1>He responded with what amounted to a coup. He expelled

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<v Speaker 1>from the city not only Nino, his grandson, but also

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<v Speaker 1>several of the remaining powerful Gibelin families, destroying their palaces

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<v Speaker 1>in the process. Ugolino and his militia occupied the town hall,

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<v Speaker 1>where he proclaimed himself the Lord of Pisa. What had

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<v Speaker 1>been a republic was now an absolute monarchy, with Ugolino

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<v Speaker 1>at its own. To prevent his grandson from taking power back,

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino allowed the return of several of the exiled noble

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<v Speaker 1>families to Pisa, offering safety and a modicum of power

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for their support. This had the additional benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of placating the archbishop, who rewarded Ugolino with his loyalty

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<v Speaker 1>by refusing to help Nino attempt to regain power in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. Ugolino had finally reached the pinnacle of power

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<v Speaker 1>in Pisa. It had taken a lot of backstabbing to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. He had betrayed his political faction, his superiors

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<v Speaker 1>practically in entire cities worth of nobles and even his

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<v Speaker 1>own grandson. But he had made it to the top.

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<v Speaker 1>But it would soon turn out there was one betrayal

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<v Speaker 1>left in his feverish quest to retain control of Pisaino

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<v Speaker 1>betray the very archbishop who had helped secure his path

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<v Speaker 1>to power. By twelve eighty eight, it seemed Ugolino de

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<v Speaker 1>la Geradesca had successfully claimed all of the power he

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<v Speaker 1>could ever want. He was the sole lord of Pisa,

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<v Speaker 1>with practically no nobles left in the city to oppose him,

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<v Speaker 1>and a truce with the archbishop, which meant that the

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<v Speaker 1>nobles who had returned would be loyal, at least for now.

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<v Speaker 1>All that meant, however, that when increasing prices and food

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<v Speaker 1>shortages hit the city, the starving populace had no one

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<v Speaker 1>else to blame except Ugolino. Ravenous and panicking, the city

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<v Speaker 1>quickly descended into chaos. Riots erupted as hungry citizens turned

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<v Speaker 1>on each other in desperation. They also turned on their Podesta,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding Ugolino restore the balance, lower the prices, find new

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<v Speaker 1>food sources, whatever it would take to reverse their fortunes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino attempted to quash the unrest, and in the process

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<v Speaker 1>committed one final betrayal that sealed his fate. During one

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<v Speaker 1>of these food riots, Ugolino made his way through the

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<v Speaker 1>unruly crowd, fighting back angry citizens calling for bread. Wielding

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<v Speaker 1>his sword indiscriminately, He just so happened to kill Farinata

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<v Speaker 1>of Pisa, one of the archbishop's nephews. The archbishop was incensed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a tragedy on top of indignity. Amidst the riots,

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino's stonewalling of Genoa had continued, and the scores of

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<v Speaker 1>still captive nobles had sworn revenge against the Podesta for

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<v Speaker 1>their predicament aka allowing them to still be hostages. It

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<v Speaker 1>became clear to the archbishop that nothing was sacred to Ugolino,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would betray anyone, kill anyone, just to hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to his power. The archbishop had finally had enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and he began to hatch a plan. Some months later,

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<v Speaker 1>on July first, twelve eighty eight, Ugolino attended a council

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<v Speaker 1>meeting to discuss peace with Genoa. Some sources say that

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop lured Ugolino to the meeting, pretending that he

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<v Speaker 1>wished to lend his support to the Podesta against attempts

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<v Speaker 1>by the still biitter Nino Visconti, his grandson, to regain

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<v Speaker 1>control of Pisa from his grandfather. It was, in any

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<v Speaker 1>case a trap. As Ugolino left the meeting, he was

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<v Speaker 1>attacked by a band of armed Gibeline nobles. He and

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<v Speaker 1>his supporters managed to hold off the attackers at first,

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<v Speaker 1>and they barricaded themselves in the town But the safety

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<v Speaker 1>of Ugolino's makeshift sanctuary would not last long, as the archbishop,

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<v Speaker 1>making his own betrayal clear, began to rouse the citizenry

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<v Speaker 1>against Ugolino. It wasn't hard, and the archbishop quickly and

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<v Speaker 1>successfully turned the desperation of the Peasan people against their Podesta.

0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Ugolino was a trader. He had betrayed not just the

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<v Speaker 1>captive nobles, not just Pisa, but every last citizen of

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<v Speaker 1>the republic who toiled and starved and died while he prospered.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino found that he had no choice but to surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>Once flames began to lick the edges of the town

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<v Speaker 1>hall's windows and doors, and smoke began to fill his

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<v Speaker 1>aged lungs. In the course of the unfolding riot outside,

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<v Speaker 1>someone had set fire to the town hall to force

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<v Speaker 1>the podestap from his hiding place. Ugolino was captured alongside

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<v Speaker 1>two of his sons and two of his grandsons, and

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop imprisoned the five of them together. Ugolino stood

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<v Speaker 1>accused of treason. The archbishop chose to hang his hat

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<v Speaker 1>on the castles that Ugolino had taken from the nobles

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<v Speaker 1>and ceded to Florence and Luca. The archbishop argued that

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<v Speaker 1>this amounted to treachery against Pisa, although it was clear

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<v Speaker 1>to just about everyone that for many the archbishop included,

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<v Speaker 1>the betrayal was far more personal. The archbishop took the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to declare himself the new Podesta of Pisa, giving

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<v Speaker 1>himself nearly unchecked power when it came to deciding upon

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<v Speaker 1>a punishment for the deposed Ugolino and his captured heirs,

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<v Speaker 1>and with his rival now in charge, Ugolino must have

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<v Speaker 1>known that his punishment would be brutal, but the depth

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<v Speaker 1>of the Archbishop's vengeance would lead him to sentence Ugolino

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<v Speaker 1>and his family to a fate far worse than he

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<v Speaker 1>could have ever imagined. The Torre Delamuda, also called the

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<v Speaker 1>Torre del Gualandi now forms part of the Palazzo del Orolojo,

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<v Speaker 1>which houses the library of the Scuola Normale Superiore, PISA's

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<v Speaker 1>public university. It sits in a large square where visitors

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<v Speaker 1>can take in a number of historical buildings, including the

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<v Speaker 1>other part of the palazzo, which once was the seat

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<v Speaker 1>of the Peasan government. The facade of the tower itself

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<v Speaker 1>boasts some faded fragments of frescoes that give viewers a

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<v Speaker 1>tantalizing glimpse into what must have once been a magnificently

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<v Speaker 1>adorned building. What tends to draw the eyes of visitors

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<v Speaker 1>about the Torre de la Muda most, however, is not

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<v Speaker 1>its frescoes or even its surroundings, but a plaque that

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<v Speaker 1>sits at eye level as one approaches the building. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Pisa, take a break from the famous

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<v Speaker 1>leaning tower and try to find it. Upon reading the plaque,

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<v Speaker 1>one might understand how the tower got its third name,

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<v Speaker 1>the Torre de la Fame, the Tower of Hunger. The

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<v Speaker 1>plaque translates to read, here stood the Torre de Gualandi.

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<v Speaker 1>The tragic death of Count Ugolini Delaga Ordesca gave it

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<v Speaker 1>the title of Hunger, and sparked in the Divine Allegery,

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<v Speaker 1>indignation and a poem so that the memory of this

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<v Speaker 1>miserable event will be eternal. In March twelve eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino della Geradesca, two of his sons and two of

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<v Speaker 1>his grandsons, who I should note were all most likely

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<v Speaker 1>fully adults, despite the way they had been implied in

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<v Speaker 1>Dante's poem to have been children, were still awaiting their

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<v Speaker 1>fate in the Torre de la Moudha. They had been

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<v Speaker 1>imprisoned months prior by the Archbishop of Pisa, who had

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<v Speaker 1>proclaimed himself Podesta after leading a popular resistance against Ugolino's

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<v Speaker 1>despotic and ineffective regime, but really also Ugolino's murder of

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop's nephew. The time that passed did not seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have softened the archbishop's anger, and of course, now

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop also had his own power to defend. After

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<v Speaker 1>months of not only deliberating on his rival's fate, but

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<v Speaker 1>likely also in enjoying keeping him and his family in limbo,

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop came to a decision that Ugolino must die

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<v Speaker 1>for his crimes, and so must his heirs, at least

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<v Speaker 1>those heirs that he had in his custody, but executing

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<v Speaker 1>them in any of the usual ways beheading, which was

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<v Speaker 1>typical for the execution of nobles, hanging, even bludgeoning, ran

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<v Speaker 1>the risk of making them into murders. Even with someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Ugolino, executing a whole family, a noble family for

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<v Speaker 1>its patriarch's crime would seem excessive, and the archbishop couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>afford to lose even an ounce of support, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he needed a route that was quieter, more private. In

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<v Speaker 1>March twelve eighty nine, he finally found one that was

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<v Speaker 1>not only quiet and private, but sufficiently cruel to quench

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<v Speaker 1>his thirst for revenge. He ordered that the prisoners remain

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<v Speaker 1>in their cell and that the key be thrown away.

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino and his family members were sentenced to death by starvation.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the walk from the Mudah to the River Arno

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<v Speaker 1>could only have taken a couple of minutes, it must

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<v Speaker 1>have felt longer for whatever servant, soldier or magistrate carried

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<v Speaker 1>out the archbishop's order. But the archbishop was far too

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<v Speaker 1>angry to reverse course, and in reality he couldn't. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Ugolino was at this point elderly at roughly seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>or eighty years old, and likely frail after months of imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still the man who had nearly gotten Pisa

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<v Speaker 1>all to himself. He would never let the archbishop live

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<v Speaker 1>if he got free, and so the ad hoc executioner,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever he was, walked south from the tower, the key

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moudah jingling softly in his hand. He reached

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<v Speaker 1>the Arno, and perhaps after a moment of hesitation, threw

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<v Speaker 1>the keys in the river. They sank down and settled

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<v Speaker 1>into the murky river bed, any hope of a reprieve

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<v Speaker 1>or even a different kind of punishment sinking along with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The five bodies were removed from the tower and buried

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<v Speaker 1>once it was clear that all five of them had died.

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<v Speaker 1>To cement their infamy and put on just the right

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<v Speaker 1>amount of spectacle to placate the people and preserve his

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<v Speaker 1>own power, the archbishop slash Podesta raised Ugolino's house on

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<v Speaker 1>the southern bank of the Arno, salted the land, and

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<v Speaker 1>forbade any of his remaining family or heirs from rebuilding

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And though writers over time have tended to

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<v Speaker 1>paint the story as a complete wiping out of Ugolino

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<v Speaker 1>and all of his heirs. Ugolino did have remaining sons, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>and grandchildren, and in fact still has living descendants, and

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<v Speaker 1>they indeed were not allowed to rebuild. To this day,

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<v Speaker 1>the land on which his palace once stood is the

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<v Speaker 1>only green space in Pisa that overlooks the Arno. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Ugolino de la Gardesca did not end

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<v Speaker 1>with his death or even the fates of his land

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and descendants. The gruesome suggestion that Ugolino ate the flesh

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<v Speaker 1>of his children and grandchildren to survive once they had

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<v Speaker 1>perished has overpowered his legacy. He is known as the

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<v Speaker 1>cannibal Count. Whether or not Ugolino or any of his

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<v Speaker 1>children for that matter, actually engaged in survival cannibalism during

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<v Speaker 1>their imprisonment has been a matter of intense scholarly debate.

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<v Speaker 1>The whispers of cannibalism seemed to have been somewhat contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>with the deaths of Ugolino and the family members, but

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<v Speaker 1>the story really gained traction through Dante's retelling of the

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<v Speaker 1>tale a few decades later. From there it took off,

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<v Speaker 1>and before long it became hard to tell where history

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<v Speaker 1>ended and legend began. The story as Dante told it

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<v Speaker 1>certainly rings apocryphal. A father, already forced to watch his

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<v Speaker 1>family suffer and die for his own sins, faced with

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<v Speaker 1>one last cruel indignity before the hunger took him too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little on the nose. There's also the matter

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<v Speaker 1>of Ugolino's advanced age. While we can't discount the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that his son's or grandson's deaths were hastened by illness

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<v Speaker 1>or some other factor, it seems unlikely that a nearly

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<v Speaker 1>eighty year old old man would outlive all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>especially after he too had suffered after months of imprisonment

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<v Speaker 1>in likely harsh conditions. Additionally, although survival cannibalism under dire

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances is certainly not unheard of, it was recorded during

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<v Speaker 1>the Crusades, for example, not to mention better known and

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>more recent examples like the Jamestown Colony or the Donner Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Studies on the behavior of incarcerated people in particular have

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that it would be an unlikely outcome in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>But even as scholars began to doubt the veracity of

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<v Speaker 1>the cannibal legend, it has persisted. In popular culture. The

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<v Speaker 1>influence of Dante's telling, in particular, has inspired countless works

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<v Speaker 1>of art, film, and literature that take for granted this

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<v Speaker 1>morbid morsel of Ugolino's story and parley it into meditations

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<v Speaker 1>on the poisonous nature of power and the cruel consequences

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<v Speaker 1>of betrayal. For a while, it was believed that the

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<v Speaker 1>question of cannibalism had finally been settled when in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two, Italian anthropologist Francesco Milegni claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed a set of excavated remains to be Ugolino and

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<v Speaker 1>his family and found no evidence of cannibalism. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to not finding telltale signs of cannibalism like teeth marks,

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<v Speaker 1>Milenni pointed in particular to Ugolina's advanced age and the

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<v Speaker 1>poor state of his teeth, arguing that it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been exceedingly unlikely for the elderly man to have outlived

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<v Speaker 1>his family members, let alone consumed their flesh. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he found no zinc in his bones, indicating that he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't eaten any kind of meat in some time before

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<v Speaker 1>his death. The anthropologist also noted a head injury that

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<v Speaker 1>might have contributed to death. Before starvation. The evidence against

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<v Speaker 1>cannibalism seemed to be overwhelming. That is until a few

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<v Speaker 1>years later, in two thousand and eight, when Millennie's findings

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<v Speaker 1>were called into question by the Superintendent of Archival Heritage

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<v Speaker 1>of Tuscany, Paula Benini, who claimed that the documents Milennie

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<v Speaker 1>had used to find these supposed Garadsky bodies had been

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<v Speaker 1>forged in the twentieth century, during Italy's period of fascist rule.

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<v Speaker 1>And so although it remains unlikely that Dante's gruesome tale

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<v Speaker 1>is true to life, with that little bit of uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 1>the legend of the cannibal count lives on. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>gruesome story of Ugolino della Gerdeska's death and afterlife. But

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<v Speaker 1>keep listening after a brief sponsor break, to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>another famous depiction of his ordeal. The nineteenth century sculptor

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<v Speaker 1>Auguste Rodan is perhaps most famous for his Thinker, but

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<v Speaker 1>that pensive piece was in fact just one of many

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<v Speaker 1>of Rodin's bronze cast masterpieces. Rodin was fascinated by Dante,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of his sculptures feature characters from the

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<v Speaker 1>Inferno or the Divine Comedy. More broadly, Ugolino's story had

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly strong impact, its themes of anguish, consumption, and betrayal,

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<v Speaker 1>offering a tantalizing set of subjects for a sculptor to

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<v Speaker 1>bring to life. Instead of recreating Dante's lake scene, Roden

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<v Speaker 1>chose to depict Ugolino with his children and Where earlier

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<v Speaker 1>sculptors and artists, most notably Jean Baptiste Carpo, had chosen

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<v Speaker 1>to depict the moment Ugolino bit his knuckle and his

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<v Speaker 1>fingers asked him to eat their bodies when they died,

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<v Speaker 1>Rodin instead showed Ugolino bending anguished over the bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>his already dead children, perhaps imagining the very moment before.

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<v Speaker 1>In Dante's words, hunger had more power than sorrow over him.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodin's take on Ugolino's story is well known on its own,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is also noted as an essential component of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the sculptor's most famous Dante inspired works, The

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<v Speaker 1>Gates of Hell. The Gates of Hell, which Rodin worked

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<v Speaker 1>on on and off for over thirty seven years from

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<v Speaker 1>its commission in eighteen eighty until his death in nineteen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>saw the sculptor utilize many of his individual sculptures, including

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<v Speaker 1>the thinker as component parts. The result is a nearly

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<v Speaker 1>twenty foot tall sculpture that looks like a set of doors,

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<v Speaker 1>but is in fact a collection of figures, a dizzying

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<v Speaker 1>scene of eternal damnation. Standing back from the sculpture, you

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<v Speaker 1>get an almost sickening sense of movement as your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>catch and then lose track of figures, both human and otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>twisted in agony. It's almost as though the gates themselves

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<v Speaker 1>are pulsing and twisting along with their tormented decorations. When

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<v Speaker 1>you get closer, the figures come into sharper focus, highlighting

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<v Speaker 1>each distinct tortured part of the whole. It's that closer

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<v Speaker 1>look that allows you to see just about in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the left door, Rodin's Ugolino and his children.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly Rodan chose to include the sculpture showing Ugolino agonizing

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<v Speaker 1>over his dead children, perhaps about to consume their flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>His children are harder to make out, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly milded into the background of the door, but Ugolino

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<v Speaker 1>and his tortured expression are prominent. The effect is as

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<v Speaker 1>striking as Dante himself described. They are frozen forever in

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<v Speaker 1>their torment, devouring and yet never sated, pun and punishing

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<v Speaker 1>until the end of time. Noble Blood is a production

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