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Speaker 1: people that I'm like, why do they put this person?

426
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be on there, stupid idiot. Yeah, the

427
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 1: better you know that they've actually got people sometimes who

428
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 1: know stuff. I mean, there's a fair amount of of

429
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: seals who are making the rounds at the different networks.

430
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: There's a you know, there's people who are former rangers. Um,

431
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,959
Speaker 1: you know, there's some some Air Force officers. I mean,

432
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,959
Speaker 1: you know there's some people here and there who are

433
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: making the rounds. Yeah. In the past, it was interesting

434
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: because all the only people you really saw in the

435
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,719
Speaker 1: news was these retired generals who had set themselves up

436
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 1: with a nice cushki being a consultant on one of

437
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the NBC's ABC's, uh, those sorts of

438
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: networks and they would get on there and they'd have

439
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,479
Speaker 1: like the most pedantic things to say, like, oh, well,

440
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 1: a soldier wears a helmet and boots and combat. Yeah. What.

441
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: One of my one of my uh, one of my

442
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Speaker 1: great moments for in media was I was sitting in

443
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Speaker 1: a sitting in a green room of what was a

444
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: very big show at the time, and they actually had

445
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Speaker 1: a And now the people on the show knew me

446
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: and had had some idea of my resume. They started

447
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Speaker 1: talking about the uh surveillance of the ny the surveillance

448
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: the NYPD was doing of would are essentially extremist mosques,

449
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't help myself because they had some

450
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Speaker 1: you know, a guy that left the Air Force in

451
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: and this was a few years ago, who's up there, like, yeah,

452
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 1: surveillance of Muslims in New York City, blah blah NYP.

453
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Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I was actually a

454
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Speaker 1: part of that unit. If you really want to I mean,

455
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't a guy going into the mosque, but if

456
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: you really want to talk to somebody who understands it,

457
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: like I'm actually sitting in your green room as you

458
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: have the old dude from whatever talking about something he

459
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: has no idea about, and they're like, wow, you know,

460
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: maybe we should just have you talked about it next time.

461
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this is slow progress. Might be

462
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: a good idea. This is like slow progress. We're getting there.

463
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,479
Speaker 1: We're getting there. So more more doers sharing their opinions,

464
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: I think than ever before. And it's also just a

465
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: function of social media because people get people get get

466
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: shamed much more cooking now for being you know, yeah,

467
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: inflating resumes like crazy and all that stuff. It wasn't

468
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: me that made this correction is actually a young woman

469
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Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, I'm sorry to say. When

470
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow came out, she said, you know, we pulled

471
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Speaker 1: US Special Forces out of or we moved them around

472
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: Niger and Chad pulled out and made all of these

473
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Speaker 1: claims about why those SF guys were ambushed in Niger

474
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: um and she said it was because these guys had

475
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Speaker 1: been pulled off. They weren't confronting ISIS and the and

476
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: if you look at where they were deployed, they were

477
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Speaker 1: actually deployed there to fight Boco Haram, not ISIS and

478
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: the stuff that the narrative she was spinning was wildly

479
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: incorrect and uh and yeah, because of the environment we

480
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: live in the past, you just have to take whatever

481
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Speaker 1: you see on television at face value. Um. But this

482
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Speaker 1: young woman who was an actual expert in Niger and

483
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: had done a lot of work over there, wrote this

484
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: article like stopped trying to blame. Yeah, I mean that

485
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Speaker 1: that ambush took place I think eight hundred miles away

486
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: from where the yeah, which is a long way, even

487
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: in the desert with not much of a speed limit.

488
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, I can't take credit for that one.

489
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Speaker 1: But it's just an example of Williams happens. Oh yeah,

490
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: in the in the pre in the pre Internet age,

491
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams gets a run like there are I want,

492
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, delta on both sides, kicking in doors. Yeah,

493
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, like the whole thing. And

494
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: that was surreal. Yah. Yeah, I mean and they just realized,

495
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: you know what I think it was with him too,

496
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: was that he did the whole like well, like it

497
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: was kind of true. That always makes it so worse.

498
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: Just gonna be like I got way over my skis

499
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: my bad and like put yourself to the mercy up.

500
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yeah, just be like my bad.

501
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: I can't the moment you do the whole like wow,

502
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was kind of there with Delta,

503
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: like no, there's no kind of it. I always felt

504
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: like I was in the army. Yeah exactly. So it's

505
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a changed world with all that. And

506
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Speaker 1: I also think now from the from the intel side

507
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Speaker 1: of it specifically, it's just such a culture change when

508
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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I'm gonna bash CNN a lot during

509
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Speaker 1: this this interview. I'm gonna get bad. I did it

510
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: on air on CNA. Did you good for you? But

511
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: you know now, I mean the former d N I

512
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: just runs over to CNN, and so that's all the

513
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: Mike Morrell all end clap and all these like the

514
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: quiet professionals thing. But that's just let's stop. It used

515
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: to be that the directors would like, well, like, I

516
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: have to write a book because it's going to be

517
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, the story exactly. It's the history needs to

518
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: be down. And now I'm just like, well, everybody's getting

519
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: in on this game, you know what I mean, And

520
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: like people pop up and they're like, oh, like I

521
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: was like a top you know, analyst or whatever at

522
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Homeland and I'm kind of like, well that unit is guy,

523
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not really that impressive. Well, we

524
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: we have our our drama in the military with that

525
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I know, in the agency there's also

526
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: a lot of bickering and fighting about who gets to

527
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: publish what and who gets to tell the story. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: I try to I like, literally just stay I'm like,

529
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: you guys, do whatever you can fight over all that stuff.

530
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: I have no interest. I mean, I try to stay

531
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: as far away from all that as I can. I am.

532
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: I will say a little surprise sometimes a little bit

533
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: when I hear some people from within the Special Operations

534
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: community that I come across in my media travels who

535
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, that other guy total punk. I'm like,

536
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: I thought you guys, I thought it was the trust tree.

537
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I thought, you know about the brotherhood. Yeah exactly. I've

538
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: gotten very cynical about the notion of brotherhood. The way,

539
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, we dime each other out and we eat

540
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: each other alive. A lot of that that that I

541
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: see as an outsider. I'm just saying, you know, not

542
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: not part of the brotherhood. But I'm like, where's all

543
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: the there are obviously some people who are really tired,

544
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: who are in the media, who are former military, but

545
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: out there hot dog and you you also see some

546
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: people or you talk some people and be like, oh, yeah,

547
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I know you know so and so didn't he did

548
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: you know him when you were in and funk that guy?

549
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything. You'll hear stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,

550
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: that's actually pretty much the that's actually pretty much the

551
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: line like he didn't do anything is usually the like

552
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, well, my my, yeah, that's the line.

553
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you for your service. I'll keep moving.

554
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: I was telling I was telling Ian I was having

555
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: lunch with my book agent one time, and I was

556
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: having this conversation with him. I was like, you know,

557
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: if I'm compare my time in the military with you know,

558
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: our predecessors, with the guys who fought in World War Two,

559
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: even the guys who fought in Vietnam, they were fighting Nazism,

560
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: they were fighting Communism, and by comparison, our war just

561
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: wasn't that important, you know. I mean, it was a important,

562
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: but it wasn't as important as the guys who came

563
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: before the world literally held in the book right in

564
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: the balance and the scales, and my agent starts laughing.

565
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: He's like, that's hilarious. He's like, you know, every Navy

566
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: seal I've ever talked to, it's like America wouldn't be

567
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: here if not for me. I'm like, wow, that's uh,

568
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: that's amarrogance, you know, I know you have to go

569
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: hang out with them. You don't say it's uh, it's interesting.

570
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: I think to see also that there's this generation I

571
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: was gonna say, the media bias for old dudes who

572
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: don't know anything that are going on TV talking about this.

573
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, what why is it that they see how well? Naskbody,

574
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: what do you say? You look at your mind? Yeah,

575
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll just turn thirty six, so we're roughly the same

576
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: age they see mid thirties, and they're kind of like, well,

577
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, can you really know as much as like,

578
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know lieutenant or you know, retired lieutenant

579
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: General such and such or whatever, because he was you know,

580
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: chief of staff for the Armies Logistics Division or something.

581
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, first of all, he's been out

582
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: for fifteen or twenty years, and second of all, yes, actually,

583
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna talk about specific subject matter like

584
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Rocks Area, places that I know you've been.

585
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: It's like that should matter more. But just people think

586
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: the visual old gravity toss is gray. That's just the

587
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: way they think about it still, and they have that

588
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: that rank in front of them that says general um

589
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: you know. But it depends what you're talking about too.

590
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, we had um on our last episode. We

591
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: have Sergeant Major vinding On who he served in Vietnam

592
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: and he was one of the original Delta Force members.

593
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: So you want to talk about like Operation Eagle Claw,

594
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: the early years of counter terrorism. He was a great

595
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: person to talk to. Um So, but we we also

596
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: had that conversation with a journalist and Rock I believe

597
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: it was with him, wasn't it, And he was talking

598
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: about how you know, the problem the media makes is

599
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: they want to find a guy and use him as

600
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: like the source, the spokesperson for everything, instead of finding

601
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: people are actually experts in their chosen field. Oh. I

602
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: come across as when people say, well, Buck, like what

603
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: about so and so who was assistant deputy whatever at

604
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: the FBI who disagrees with you like this what I've

605
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: been seen it? And I'm like, guys, a schmuck. I

606
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: don't know anything. I don't care assistant deputy deputy to

607
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: the assistant who gives a crap Like people think this

608
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: is meaningful. It's most government bureaucrat jobs are not exactly

609
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: It's a little uh yeah. It's a little disappointing when

610
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: I like write an article and I quote like C

611
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I A case officers who had like extensive experience, and

612
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: then I see someone in foreign policy like basically trying

613
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: to rewrite my article the same topic, but they're using

614
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: like the assistant secretary deputy of the uh you know,

615
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: D D N I or whatever, something like some weird office,

616
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: some bureaucrats somewhere. It's like, dude, really like that guy

617
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: has no idea what he's talking about. I'm always amazed

618
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: also that there's still a there's almost a it feels

619
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: to me like an aversion to finding the guy that

620
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: really can bring you the ground truth. Sometimes. I mean,

621
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Speaker 1: I have a this is just an interest of mine,

622
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: so let me. I'll tell you the thesis. Mexico had

623
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: more murders last year than in any year since they've

624
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: been counting murders. It was just shy of thirty thousand

625
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: which is insane. That's that's that's a war, right, I

626
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: mean that's like and it's not getting coverage here at all.

627
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: People are not talking about it. You also had sixty

628
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: sixty four thousand I think people die of drug overdoses

629
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: last year. Mexican cartels have completely shifted their production, uh,

630
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: their their transport schedules, everything to help feed the opioid epidemic.

631
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: A lot of the heroine. Now, it used to be

632
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: the heroine was kind of grown in South America, but

633
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: a fair amount was grown in Afghanistan. Have to make

634
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: it all the way. But now heroin has become such

635
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: a more marketable drug, much higher demand, that the cartels

636
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: are growing it, you know in and around si loins.

637
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're just throwing See this is like I've

638
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: just been looking at this recent I'm like, wait a second.

639
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I always thought for a I didn't even know that

640
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: you could grow poppies in Mexico. Oh yeah, Sinaloa actually

641
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: has a long standing and off in the highlands. There's

642
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: a long standing poppy cultivation, like back going back hunter. Now,

643
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: when I say a long standing, I mean it's been

644
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: there in very small numbers and um and actually some

645
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: of the first sin loan Mexican drug lords were China,

646
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: where Chinese affiliated and they had come and had an

647
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: understanding of opium and they with the rail. The Chinese

648
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: connection is the precursor chemicals for some of the other Well,

649
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: then you when you look at fentanyl and what they're

650
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: doing with that, which for people who don't know about fentanyl,

651
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you read about, you know,

652
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: for me it's sometimes you know, you'll you'll read about

653
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: something like weird diseases that are out there. You're just like,

654
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that's crazy. It's almost hard to

655
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: believe fentanyl is in that category as a drug. I

656
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: mean the notion that you can overdose and die from

657
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: touching something and having it be absorbed through your skin.

658
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: And also say that that you can, uh, they can't

659
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: tell you what really what what the overdose level would

660
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: be based on body weight and stuff, because it has

661
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: to do with very specific neurotransmitters in the brain. I

662
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: mean by this because I'm so interested in the subject

663
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that I had this woman who is like chief chief

664
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: epidemiological epidemiologist and microbiologist at Harvard's Laboratory for the Study

665
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: of Drug something or other. I forget she had a

666
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: really long title that I was like, well, she's smart.

667
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: She came on my radio show a few times. I

668
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: was talking about this, and this is why now they

669
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: actually have special kits for people at the scene of

670
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: a fentanyl overdose because they're roried that people literally trying

671
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: to help. How are they taking fentanyl? Uh? Fentanyl is

672
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: it can be in pill form um it's it's so

673
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: it's a chemical company. I mean, I remember we had

674
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: fentanyl lollipops that you could give someone if they got

675
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: hurt overseas. It's an opious it's just a highly highly

676
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: posted as a controlled drug. But the the four it's

677
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: a four step process and they're making it in Mexican

678
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and Chinese super laboratory. So think breaking bad and they

679
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: it's just like that. I mean, they're literally hiring guys

680
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: with chemistry degrees and being like, oh, you work at

681
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: like La Pharmacia in Mexico City, Like how about your

682
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: or actually a much bigger one is Guadalajara. Uh. They're like,

683
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: why don't you come and work for us and literally

684
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: quadruple your salary And that's compelling for some folks who

685
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: don't really care about the you know, the social implications

686
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: of it. Anyway, So I've been trying to run for

687
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: a while with the I've been looking into this more

688
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: and more because i just find I'm like, this isn't

689
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: really a story that's getting He's gotta go down there, man,

690
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you gotta send him down check it out. I don't know,

691
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So but I've been looking at this. I'm like,

692
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: because you just don't hear opioid overdose. The drug companies

693
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: are the bad guys in this, right, I think that's

694
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: fair to say. Generally, usually hear that they're the pharmaceutical

695
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, like the pharmaceutical companies versus the

696
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: drug cartels. But the cartels are in on this, and

697
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: it's now I think there are a big part of

698
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: what we're seeing in the country. And they're so slick

699
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: and so well financed in terms of the way they're

700
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: getting it into the country. It's massive. The d A

701
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: estimates for this year it's gonna be one of the

702
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: worst years ever for drugs. Anyway, I'm looking at all

703
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: this stuff and I just found this this British dude

704
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: who had written a book on all that US and

705
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: he's been living in Mexic City for twenty years, going

706
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: all over the country, which it's called El Narco. Yeah,

707
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: I read it. Yeah, you and Grillo's books. So I

708
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: had you on on on radio and I'm just like,

709
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: what's going on. He's like, Yeah, there's about five states

710
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: in Mexico right now that are in in a narco insurgency,

711
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: like straight up, and just so people get a sense

712
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: of what that is. Black hawk helicopters full of federal

713
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: police who are all you know, well mphors and all

714
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: the all the gear and kit that you'd expect, uh,

715
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: and they're getting taken out by thirty guys and a

716
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: coordinated maneuver with RPGs and machine guns like I like

717
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: heavy machine guns, heavy weapon rates. A friend of mine

718
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: went down there and um, he was rolling through some

719
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: of the checkpoints and things like that. You know, they'd

720
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I'm not humpies, but big trucks

721
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: like technicals, machine guns mounted on the back and they

722
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: check their papers waiting through the checkpoint. My buddy gets

723
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: where he's going and he's like, damn, this place is

724
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: like they're keeping it long lockdown. And went through that

725
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: government checkpoint out there and a guy was like, nobody,

726
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: that wasn't a government checkpoint, that was a cartel checkpoint. Yeah,

727
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: it's all supplying demand though, I mean, if if we

728
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: didn't have the demand for these drugs, it would be

729
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: coming over. I mean, there's there's that element of it

730
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: as well. Look at and he's like the guy on

731
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live with the bag of glass. He's like,

732
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: it's just a supply market, the hand man. You know,

733
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: people want their drugs, We give them the drugs. That's

734
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: the problem. But the demand in America for all these

735
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: illegal drugs and pharmaceutical prescription drugs is so high. If

736
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: there was you know, this wouldn't be as big a problem.

737
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: If we weren't such a big it wouldn't be a

738
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: problem at all if there wasn't a demand. But it's

739
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: really interesting is that the cartels are so sophisticated with billions.

740
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's so funny I talked about

741
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll talk about like al Qaeda and investigations they did,

742
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: the NYPD and like I don't talk about the CIA

743
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: stuff much because you know, I can't. But like, you know,

744
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: no one's ever worried about you know, because they actually

745
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: some of those some of those chi groups will put

746
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: out like we're gonna kill these people, and they'll put

747
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: out a list. It's it's really telling because people in

748
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: this business, they'll you start talking about cartels and going below,

749
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: they start to get nervous. It's a really well it's different.

750
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: You don't see that with any of the Ghati terris.

751
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: I think part of it is also there's a mythology

752
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: around cartels that comes out of the movies and the

753
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: television shows as well. I mean, they're they're ruthless, but

754
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen the cartels doing too many like

755
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: state side assassinations of like whitey guys like me or you.

756
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: Maybe if you go down there and you start if

757
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: you go down to Mexico and you start interfering with

758
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: their business, yeah you're gonna get smoked. But I mean

759
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: I can't think of too many. Like no, I don't

760
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: think assassinating judges in America, like we haven't really seen.

761
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I think they just know that would bring that would

762
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: bring beat on the mountain, mountains of heat. It's it's

763
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: a bit making money's hand over fist, right, But but

764
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: but people still get they get nervous. You know, and

765
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: if you get too close down to the border. I

766
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: mean I do know that, like if you were to

767
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: show up all of a sudden and some of these

768
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: uh in warez, I don't think they care. No, no, no,

769
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they care. If you're

770
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: if you're you know, your uncle is a secretary of state,

771
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: like you're if you crossed them in a bad Yeah,

772
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: we were talking before, you know, not in depth yet

773
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: about Shields High, the battles that saved Western civilization. It's

774
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: going to be on I Heart Radio. It is on

775
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: IR iTunes. Actually that's the best place iTunes tell people

776
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: subscribe on, which is free. It's just there. Yeah. Yeah,

777
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: And I know that you gave the basis for the show,

778
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: but like, what stuff are you gonna be covering in

779
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: future episode? So I'm kind of walking through because I

780
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: think this is there's a whole historical narrative that people

781
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: even when they study it in school or if they

782
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: kind of rely and when you pick up through the

783
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, the the osmosis of of watching things in

784
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: pop culture that you know that the Islamic world, in

785
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: the Christian world, we're kind of everything was cool and

786
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it was colonialism, and we

787
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: started doing bad things and we ruined the Middle East,

788
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: and you just jump right to the twentieth century when

789
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: in reality, I mean, there were a bunch of close calls,

790
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: and so I kind of for the Western world as

791
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: we know it, Europe in America. Uh there, I start

792
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: with the Battle of Tour, so it's Charles Martel the Hammer,

793
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: and then I just work through singular battles or single battles,

794
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: or a lot of them are sieges. Casiege warfare in

795
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: this period was such an important you know, if you

796
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: control the right geographic location and fortress, I mean, you

797
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: could project a lot of a lot of force because

798
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: you couldn't really put a field army out for longer

799
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: than the growing season because everybody had to go home

800
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: otherwise they'd starve and they'd take out the wives and

801
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: kids and stuff. So you had a limited campaigning season.

802
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: So fortresses and fortified positions are really important. Anyway, I

803
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: just walked through the battles where you know things have

804
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: gone the other way. Basically, all the people listening this

805
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: would be speaking either Turkish or Arabic, depending on which

806
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: one we're talking about, and I think that for a

807
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, this is this is background

808
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: that it's good for them to know, especially when we

809
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: hear things like, you know, jihad is internal struggling. It's like, nope,

810
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Jihad has been conquest for over eight thousand years. So

811
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: it's good for people to know what that really means

812
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: and what that looks like. Yeah, the original the conception

813
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: was there's the land of peace in the land of war,

814
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: are Al Harbor and ore Al Islam, yep. And that's

815
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: from the very origins of the faith. And when you

816
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: start to look into what happened also with the you know,

817
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: the some of the earlier um earlier Islamic campaigns, it

818
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: is amazing how quickly they conquered so much territory. But

819
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: I just think that people there's this like we apologize

820
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: for the Crusades a few years ago or something, and

821
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: we're apologizing for that now to yeah, yeah, like that

822
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: actually has happened. I think maybe the pope apologist for

823
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: the Crusades. I look, the Crusades were a response to

824
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: centuries of Islamic aggression and conquest, and they tell you

825
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: all this stuff. They were so far separated from one

826
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: another that you can't really draw direct correlation between the

827
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: Crusades and Islamic expansion. There's like, what nine hundred years

828
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: or something with the expansion, how and when? Right, like,

829
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: we're starting the timeline, so you you have the prophet

830
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Mohammad dies what four. So by the early seven hundreds,

831
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: they're in Spain and making their way into the middle

832
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: of France. They've also taken Portugal, Jerusalem. You know, they've

833
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: taken all, basically most not most, of the Iberian Peninsula

834
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: and made it as far as central France, about a

835
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles from Paris. And that was in gosh,

836
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: Martell was seventh thirty four, seven thirty two. I'm forgetting now,

837
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: but they stopped them there. But then you had this

838
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: series of multiple sieges and assaults on Constants and Opal.

839
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: In fact, the real impetus for the first Crusade was

840
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: the Emperor of constants and Ople reaching out to Pope

841
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Urban the second and saying, if we go, you guys

842
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: are next. So Bat's often and this is this is

843
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: the Council of Claremont in ten seven. So I think

844
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's a part of the story that people

845
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: either don't know or aren't really told. And then also

846
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: just somebody like you is actually you know, served in war.

847
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Speaker 1: This is a fascinating period of warfare. And now I'm

848
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Speaker 1: talking really about sort of Middle Ages into into the

849
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Speaker 1: Renaissance that period, and most of the of the podcast

850
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: that I'll be doing are like fourteen hundreds, fifteen hundred,

851
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. You have a little bit of gunpowder adoption,

852
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: but still mostly like the old school slashing, hammering, clubbing, temporary. Yeah,

853
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: and you got body armor and we're not body armor armor. See,

854
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm still doing armor and uh. And it's as I

855
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: got to take people through like the real Dracula for example,

856
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: very important historical character in the with the whole Islamic conquest. Anyway,

857
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: this is see, I I like this stuff, but it's

858
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: a little some people maybe like, why are you spending

859
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: your time doing is I'll probably do ten or fifteen episodes,

860
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Speaker 1: put it on hold and come back to it, and

861
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: then I'll do Ancient Greece. I think for your history,

862
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, I mean that all leads. I mean,

863
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: if you have a strong historical understanding, I mean, it'll

864
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: do so much to enlighten you about how we got

865
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Speaker 1: to where we are today. And I mean the past

866
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: is in the past in a lot of ways. But

867
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Speaker 1: at the same time, there are parts of the world

868
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Speaker 1: where the past isn't in the past the way it

869
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Speaker 1: is for you and I. You know, like when I

870
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Speaker 1: went um, when I was in Damascus over a year ago. Now,

871
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting to listen to people talk because when they

872
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: talk about like, that's like talking about yesterday for us,

873
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: and then the time compression is very different. Oh yeah,

874
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: I know from from Iraq, a lot of the a

875
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of the cities and the names correspond to big

876
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: battles from the early days of the prophet and the

877
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: Caliphate and everything. So there's there's this whole other other

878
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: narrative around what history is important, especially when you get

879
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: into into that part of the world. But you know,

880
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: even I'm sure you've got people listening right now who

881
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: served in one capacity or the other in the Balkans,

882
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and you flatly cannot understand the Balkans unless you understand

883
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: the Attoman Empire, Greek Turkish Greek Turkish fighting. It's extremely

884
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: well and yeah, and you know the reason you've got

885
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: Muslims and Christians side by side in the former Yugoslavia

886
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: goes all the way back to uh. Suleiman the Magnificent

887
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: was like, I need to take the fortress at Belgrade.

888
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: I need to get on Danube. The Danube is the

889
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: artery for the rest of Europe. If I control the Danube,

890
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: I can make my way just right through the center

891
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: of Europe all the way up into I was. I

892
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: was there. I was in Belgrade at that fortress for

893
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: the TV and UH. I was told by actually a

894
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: historian that that fortress had changed hands about forty times

895
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: throughout history and just incredibly valuable real estate. And that's

896
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing with Constant and Nople too. I mean

897
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: when I was talking about that on the podcast, not

898
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: only was an incredible, incredibly valuable real estate. And this

899
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: is also a pitch for the importance of of having

900
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: a concept of geography whenever we talked about any of

901
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 1: these issues. I think there's a great book actually called

902
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: The Revenge of Geography by Robert Kaplan. I think, um,

903
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: I haven't read it. I've heard that one highly recommend

904
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: because he walks through some of the UH some of

905
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: like the mckinder and people that have been I think

906
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: they're sometimes referred to as like geography determinus or something.

907
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: But the point is they've got these broad conceptions of

908
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: how geography affects all of human history, and there's some

909
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: really cool stuff. And I'm sure some of your audience

910
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: that's from parts of the I know it's true of

911
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: my audience from some parts of the country, was finding

912
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: interesting when I say, all right, you guys, are you

913
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: know if you maybe maybe self described as a hillbilly

914
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: or you know, help people, thank you exactly, But if

915
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: you happen to be hillbilly, you should know that wherever

916
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: you there are literally hillbillies all over the world because

917
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: the original, the original way, and the original means of

918
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: um fighting back against or separating yourself from centralized states, mountains,

919
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: the highlands. And then you start to look around, You're like, wait,

920
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: where is this true? Well, Scots, it's true of Vietnam,

921
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: that's true of the Mong people. It's true. I mean

922
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: literally go anywhere in the world and they have hill

923
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: abilities who are like, don't tell me what to do,

924
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We're also how many countries have a

925
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: north south divide the United States, Egypt, Italy, u Um, Nigeria.

926
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a religious divide too. You see it

927
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: again and again well, and it's also reversed. The South

928
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: is the rich industrial base in Nigeria. The North is

929
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Speaker 1: the impoverished Nigeria, the Niger Delta. Remember they were they're

930
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: they're really for a while. We're two insurgencies going on

931
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: in that country. I think it's pretty like you know,

932
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: there's there are two insurgencies in Nigeria. One of them

933
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: is men. Yeah, that's right. Uh, this guy, you know,

934
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Speaker 1: others Boco Haram Islamists, and then there's and then just

935
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: guys who want resources and to basically hold up the

936
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: government old school banditry. A lot of it depends on

937
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: who's in power in the central government at that time.

938
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Speaker 1: So you'll see like the pipeline worst ramp up when

939
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: someone from the North is in power. And then when

940
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: that's flipped, you see Boco Haram come getting strong. It was.

941
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: It was partically bad. When Obasanjo, alright, we gotta get off.

942
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna say, I like, wrap it up, bro, Yeah,

943
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: wrapping up. I got a few minutes making sure, checking

944
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: to make sure. I'm making sure for Buck more than anything,

945
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: because I probably start we want to start to have

946
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: too much fun. Now I got another five or ten minutes,

947
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: so okay, cool, So yeah, then then let's keep it going.

948
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Speaker 1: That's all a shameless plug. Your for second one is

949
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Speaker 1: that you can always listen to my radio show on

950
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Speaker 1: the I Heart apps. You don't need to have I'm

951
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Speaker 1: on a hundred and twenty terrestrial channels across you filled

952
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: in the country. How many channels. That's like six hundred stations.

953
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's yeah, and major markets. That's always fun

954
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'll be in some random sity in the

955
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Speaker 1: US and I'll like hop into a cab or and

956
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: uber or whatever and someone be like, I have heard

957
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: your voice before, and I get to go. They don't

958
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: know my face, but they know the voice. That's exactly

959
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: what happens to me in Vegas is so not on

960
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: bucks level. But people don't know what I look like

961
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: when they know your voice, right, it's kind of a

962
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: weird thing because when they see you, they know that,

963
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: like they like they process they figure out if it's

964
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: just your voice. They're like, are you from the past,

965
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Like I've gotten out of the studio before I've told you,

966
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: and like I've been on the phone with my dad

967
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: and someone across the street like you're Ian from Softwarepper video.

968
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: You don't look like I expected you to look. Yeah,

969
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: but no, So if those listen, because like, because your audience,

970
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: I would love to have some crossover and check out

971
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: the radio show, and which we've had before. I've seen

972
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: people tweet us and say like, hey heard Buck on

973
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: Software Radio. Now I listen to you every day. Thank you. Yeah,

974
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: I do a different kind of show than than all

975
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: the other folks out there, and uh, I think that

976
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: especially for those who have an interest in in real

977
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: research and information going into a show, I don't show

978
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: up and I'm just like yeah, like today I'm made

979
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: pancakes and I was wearing a role and like, let's

980
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: take some calls like look, that's great if you have

981
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship with the audience. But I I

982
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: read for five to seven hours every day in preparation

983
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: for every show, and I do a lot of the

984
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: same way, which is you know why working with him,

985
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: because there are those guys you are more fluent on

986
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: national security issues than any on air analyst I've come

987
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: across at I'll just say all the non Fox because

988
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: I love Fox, and I just always be like Fox

989
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: is amazing, but all the other channels, I'm just leaving

990
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: Fox out of By the way, I'm not comparing anyone Fox,

991
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: but MSNBC and CNN. You're you can see. Can I

992
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: get the Kush six figure gig? Can we do it? Oh? Man?

993
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I would love that. I want the remote camera in

994
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: my house to you know, I just the media thing. Yeah,

995
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: they're setting that up for more and more people now

996
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: because they realize car services. That's a whole thing. But

997
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna get that? Uh? I do have a

998
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: radio rig set up in my in my apartment, which

999
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: is which is life changing. It's amazing. Like if you're

1000
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: going to be in this business to basically have what

1001
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: we have here, basically have what you have really except

1002
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: on a little desk. I mean technically, Look, this is

1003
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: not a studios. Is an office space for microphones. Yeah,

1004
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly lucky. I mean I work from home mostly

1005
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: that I only come in to do the podcast. Really

1006
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: say him here, so I can't complain. Yeah, you know,

1007
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: but did you guys listen to any history podcasts? I don't,

1008
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: but I know, like hardcore history for example. It is

1009
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: a huge body he does. He gets millions of downloads. Look,

1010
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, here's here's what I'd say about it. It's

1011
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: one of these mediums where I've been listening to history

1012
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: podcast for years because there are these people out there

1013
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: who are they're really more like hobbyists, right, and they're

1014
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: just like wow. I mean, I've written like fifteen books

1015
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: on ancient Rome, so I might as well like talk

1016
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: about ancient Rome on a podcast. So there's great information,

1017
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: but they kind of go and then this happened, and

1018
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: then there's other thing they're there's no yeah, there's exactly

1019
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: there's no narration, and so that's what really separates h Carlin.

1020
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: I think I've listened to I haven't listened to all

1021
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: of his because they're like four hours long, which is

1022
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: just honestly a really big commitment. I mean I'm reading

1023
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: all the time, and on four hours usually listen to

1024
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: to a one topic show that he doesn't. He does

1025
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: an amazing job. I mean he's like the godfather of

1026
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: narrative history. He's the hard core history. Yeah, he's the

1027
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: hardware history guy, Dan carl and he does that people

1028
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: are getting interested in. But I mean I actually used

1029
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: to listen to this guy who did a history on

1030
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: the Byzantine Empire a long time ago, who was just like,

1031
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I think, a history professor somewhere and he was shocked

1032
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Speaker 1: to find out that they were doing. By the end

1033
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Speaker 1: of it, he did like ad he did a ton

1034
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Speaker 1: of episodes just if you want to know everything that

1035
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: ever happened in that part of the world, like and

1036
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it just kind of blew up. But

1037
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: no one's really doing it in a way that it is.

1038
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: It is narrative, and I mean I limit mind a

1039
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: thirty or forty minutes. Some people complain, they're like, you

1040
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 1: should do three hours, and I'm like, so I break

1041
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: them up and we do a little it's like some music,

1042
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: and I try to make it a little more of

1043
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: a flow. But you know, people either love it or

1044
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: they're like, this is kind of like your nerdy Dracula opera,

1045
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: but that everybody listening should check it out and tell

1046
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Speaker 1: me what they think. So, yes, which one something mat

1047
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Speaker 1: or is awesome? Now that's probably good. I mean, I

1048
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Speaker 1: feel tie the battles that say, the Western civilization, they

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Speaker 1: just want to make sure. Just just type Shields High

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Speaker 1: into iTunes and then click subscribe. But also, you guys,

1051
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Speaker 1: you have to subscribe to the Buck Sexton Show. I've

1052
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Speaker 1: got great down moods on the radio show, but it's

1053
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Speaker 1: been kind of like leveled off for a few months here.

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Speaker 1: and also at buck Sexton on Twitter. Um do you want?

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you know, because I

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Speaker 1: know you got your out. Is there anything else before

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Speaker 1: I do our usual? Uh? Nothing off hand. You gotta

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Speaker 1: let me know when you're doing some important softwarep stuff.

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Speaker 1: Those we get you on radio and get the softwarep

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Speaker 1: board out the whole country or I can do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just absolutely I gotta so when you go undercover

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Speaker 1: with the cartels and it's got like a kind of

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Speaker 1: that's like the craziest idea. I would not let him

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Speaker 1: do that. You'll be getting a picture back and holding

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Speaker 1: the newspaper Truth of life. Man. They do like the

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Speaker 1: live stream too. It's terrible. I want for a green

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Speaker 1: go Jack Murphy. Oh my gosh, it would be um.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, you guys should definitely let me know what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. And uh yeah, so there's there's that

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Speaker 1: awesome I'll appreciate you guys tuning in. I know we didn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, take any questions this time. I I will

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Speaker 1: be more interactive. Next we do. We have a couple

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Speaker 1: of questions. There's always quiet questions, questions, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna be late for my radio show.

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Speaker 1: A man, give me three, will do three questions that

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Speaker 1: I got about. Let's see here there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of people watching them. Okay, that's all right. I don't

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Speaker 1: know because I mean these questions like how are you

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Speaker 1: both doing? That's not really a question. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Here we go. This is a Jack question. Jack.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Major Jim Gant got thrown under the bus?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Yeah, he did get thrown

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Speaker 1: under the bus. He was Jim Gant was a Special

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Speaker 1: Forces uh you know dude who was over in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: and he kind of contradicted the official policy that we

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Speaker 1: need to create an Afghan state. And Umdant was like, well, look,

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Speaker 1: it's a tribal society, but we have to engage with

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Speaker 1: each individual tribe and treat them as individual tribes rather

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Speaker 1: than trying to force some sort of like federated system

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Speaker 1: on this country that's never gonna take hold and um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he got thrown under the bus by army orthodoxy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one is is also you know nothing that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and I you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: shoot a random question you guys might not know about here,

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Speaker 1: but um awareness with Chris asked, can you speak to

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Speaker 1: title ten and title fifty please? Oh boy, that's a

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Speaker 1: huge topic. It would be Wait, I think I think

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Speaker 1: this is my cue. This is the point where title

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Speaker 1: ten is just military action. Title fifty is covert action,

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Speaker 1: that the CIA is the only ones that have Title

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Speaker 1: fifty authority. Yeah, all right, that's when I really need

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Speaker 1: to bounce. So with that, you know, and people once

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Speaker 1: again are saying about the camera issue, which I will

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Speaker 1: get fixed. Um, you know, I just need to get

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Speaker 1: another monitor, and kind of like we're not got cartel hostage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, people are saying that you just need to

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Speaker 1: adjust that, you know, the brightness and all that. You can't.

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Speaker 1: I need to get another monitor there that's the issue. Um,

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Speaker 1: the screen is really dark. Book you do about that?

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Speaker 1: Software Radio. A lot of feedback from the Mike Vining picture.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully those people tune into the actual episode and hear

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Speaker 1: the interview and don't just see him as the guy

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Speaker 1: of the meme, meet the man behind the meme. That's

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Speaker 1: what everybody, Yeah, everybody knows him as this. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've seen the picture of Mike Vining. So

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Speaker 1: Mike Vining someone someone took his picture off a website

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Speaker 1: is like d O D photo his d A photo

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Speaker 1: and made this mean because Mike does not like if

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Speaker 1: you look at him as a person, he doesn't he

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like the Captain America type. Person's highly decorated,

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Speaker 1: one of the first guys. He's a serious, badass guy,

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Speaker 1: but very much he's very a very nice guy, very

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Speaker 1: normal person, you know, and people memed him. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: comments on our Instagram like this guy can't be serious

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Speaker 1: and very very serious. So you know, I mean the

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Speaker 1: stories he tells. If you listen back to the last

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Speaker 1: episode of his friend, you know, passing away trying to

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Speaker 1: defuse a bomb at a rally for then vice presidential

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Speaker 1: candidate Bob Dole, Like these are amazing serious. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: listen to that that one. I hope. I hope it also

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Speaker 1: informs people against the Captain America's stereotype, Like these guys

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Speaker 1: come in all shapes and sizes. They don't they don't

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Speaker 1: look like um movie stars or you know from what

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Speaker 1: I hear. Sometimes the guys who do look like the

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Speaker 1: movie star are the ones who don't make it through

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Speaker 1: the pipe. I've seen that. Yeah, this is like within

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Speaker 1: the within the analyst cadre at the agency. I'm like

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Speaker 1: at the at the higher end of like rough and touff.

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Speaker 1: It's not that I'm rough and tough. I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to tell you guys, there's a lot of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: like I want to write a memo. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta. This is funny because this is the same

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Speaker 1: thing that happened with will Cow. People sit down here,

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Speaker 1: they have a great time, and it was like, I

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Speaker 1: gotta go to Conservative do your thing. Great seeing you

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Speaker 1: And with that, I guess we'll end the live streams

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