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Speaker 2: My friend became financially reliant on me, and so I

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Speaker 2: cut him off. Cut him off. So I thirty mail

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Speaker 2: met my best friend thirty one mail when we were

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Speaker 2: both in a summer care program as kids ages eight

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Speaker 2: and nine. All We'll call him Kevin. We bonded through

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Speaker 2: mutual interests cartoons, video games, et ceta, and became thick

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Speaker 2: as thieves over the years. When his father passed away

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Speaker 2: a few years later, oh, I made sure to check

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Speaker 2: on him multiple times a day for weeks because I

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Speaker 2: knew he was devastated. I considered him to be like

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Speaker 2: a brother to me. By the way, this comes from

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Speaker 2: a he Festus seventeen seventeen on the r slash Okay Storytimes.

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Speaker 2: I wrote it so fast forward the end of high

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Speaker 2: school and Kevin is struggling to find a career path

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Speaker 2: to pursue while everyone else is preparing to leave for

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Speaker 2: college or finalizing plans for trade school and military service.

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Speaker 2: By the time I'm in college, he finally has a

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Speaker 2: part time job at a local mechanics and is still

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Speaker 2: living with his mother. I know that living with your

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Speaker 2: parents nothing to be ashamed of. I lived with mine

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Speaker 2: all through college as a commuter student, But it seemed

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Speaker 2: that Kevin wasn't frying. I'd seen Kevin his mom fighting

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Speaker 2: over this very issue, like about moving out of the house.

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Speaker 2: When I started dating my girlfriend in college, contact between

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Speaker 2: me and Kevin began to dissipate, due in part to

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Speaker 2: a combination of my increased school schedule, work schedule, and

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Speaker 2: dating life. Part of losing touch was also due to

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Speaker 2: his asking multiple questions about my girlfriend and our relationship

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Speaker 2: that were pretty intrusive and borderline and appropriates not cool, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: not cool, Kevin's being a little basement dweller Kevin. Well.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward another couple of years and I proposed to

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Speaker 2: my girlfriend and she graciously agrees to be my fiancee. Congrats,

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Speaker 2: so cute. We love love, We love love. I immediately

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Speaker 2: went to ask Kevin if he would be the best man,

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Speaker 2: without that much communication. He agreed, but despite saying that

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Speaker 2: and communication skills indicated the exact opposite, almost like it

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Speaker 2: was a punishment. Kevin's like, I, uh, I'm not into

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Speaker 3: Oh, Kevin doesn't want to be best man.

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Speaker 2: Kevin saying he wants to be best man, but he

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Speaker 2: very best, not a best man at the very okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, then take that as a sign and don't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well easy.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I let it go because I just assumed there was

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Speaker 2: something else going on that I was in privy too.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward again a little over a year. I'm out

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Speaker 2: eating dinner and discussing wedding plans with my fiance and

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Speaker 2: I get a call from Kevin, and actually I step

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Speaker 2: i'd started dating this girl. Will call Karen. Roughly three

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Speaker 2: months before I get the call, Kevin proceeds to tell

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Speaker 2: WHOA what, Kevin, Who's fast?

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Speaker 3: You just found out about this girl?

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Speaker 2: They call him quick Kevin, Well, I'm not necessarily oppose

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Speaker 2: especially when he's never been in a relationship. For this,

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Speaker 2: reason they got married was because he was tired of

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Speaker 2: his mom talking trash about Karen, which naturally escalated after

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Speaker 2: they got married. So basically he's like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: much I love Kareny marry marriage. A couple of weeks later,

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Speaker 2: previous relationships and describing in vivid detail, while these former

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Speaker 2: partners should be incarcerated too much, Karen is Karen, Karen

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Speaker 3: In immediately, there are spaces in which.

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Speaker 2: Kevin then would try to not so subtly imply how

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Speaker 2: great their marriage is by verbally illustrating their clears throat

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Speaker 5: Karen and Kevin need to learn about boundaries, learn when

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Speaker 5: you when you should tell people things, and when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a weird combo. I think your friend's

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Speaker 2: a little weird, Opie.

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Speaker 3: Why do you want him to be your best man?

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Speaker 3: You know, you've gotta have other friends.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have other friends. When she finally met my fiance,

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Speaker 2: the first instinct Karen had was to immediately dump all

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Speaker 2: my fiance and I agree that Karen was coming off

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Speaker 2: as incredibly immature and a bit of an attention seeker

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Speaker 2: A little bit much, A little bit much. Karen, my

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Speaker 2: just yet, because Opie's just trying to, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: smooth things over, you know. Yeah, he's trying to be Uh,

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Speaker 2: he can be.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just think that Kevin and Karen are they

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Speaker 5: keep put pushing these boundaries, especially with like now talking

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Speaker 3: Fiance about this, Yeah, I don't telling you.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think like sometimes people like I think, there are

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Speaker 5: sometimes when you meet a new friend where you just

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Speaker 5: start telling like it just happened, where you feel comfortable

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Speaker 5: and you start talking about like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, trauma per se. But sometimes you're like in it.

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Speaker 5: Like I've had these situations where like sometimes you're just

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Speaker 3: And then they're like and then this happened when I

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Speaker 2: And like, oh, I don't know, we were We're that close,

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Speaker 5: That, and it just makes you you gotta be careful

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Speaker 3: It's like putting a trigger warning. Well, but for a conversation.

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Speaker 2: My fiance immediately disliked her bit to being denser. Granted

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Speaker 2: just yet. Fast forward once again, the day before my wedding,

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Speaker 2: as we're all getting everything ready, we invited the entire

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Speaker 2: and help. Said. Of the bridal party, only my fiances

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Speaker 2: made of honor was able to come. As the matron

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Speaker 2: as well as an ever busy mother of three and

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Speaker 2: her other bridesmaids. My sister had class until late in

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Speaker 2: the day of my groom's been one was able to

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Speaker 2: day before or all the other will calm Jack just

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Speaker 2: showed up before most our families to get started. Kevin,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, refuse to make the thirty minute

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Speaker 3: It's probably thirty minutes because.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a few weeks later he let it slip that

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Speaker 3: Dude, I think we've it's proven.

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Speaker 5: We've proven, you know, day one that Kevin is not

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Speaker 5: best man material.

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Speaker 3: We just got to move on.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, op I feel like Kevin is the

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Speaker 2: oldest friend, but not necessarily best friend. The thing is

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Speaker 2: that I feel like we're trying always coincide.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to use a fork for a suit, you know.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin, is that fork?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin's the four. Your wedding is the suit.

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Speaker 2: And your wedding, Yeah, exactly. I've never heard that before,

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Speaker 2: and I love you.

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Speaker 3: I just came up with that right now. Great, it

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Speaker 2: Well, once they got there, things only got more stressful.

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Speaker 2: Kevin and Garen showed up about thirty minutes late for

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Speaker 2: the rehearsal and immediately started trying to make changes. The

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Speaker 2: biggest argument was over the exiting procession. The original procession

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Speaker 2: order was for each groomsman to escored the corresponding bridesmaid

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Speaker 2: out of the church's sanctuary down the central aisle. Kevin

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Speaker 2: refused to escort the matron of honor out because, according

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Speaker 2: to him, it would look like they were in a

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Speaker 2: couple instead of him and Karen. Kevin, do you understand

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Speaker 2: how weddings work? Groom's man and bridal party person, matron

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Speaker 2: of honor and best man, they walk down the aisle together.

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Speaker 2: No one thinks that they're smooching. Kevin Kevin, except maybe

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Speaker 2: some five year olds, which you sound like right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I sound like a five year old Kevin. But also,

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Speaker 3: p how much more proof do you need?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is not great.

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Speaker 3: You're letting h like, I feel less bad for you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep proof, keep putting your yeah, just just get

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Speaker 3: You're stabbing at the bowl.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like, oh, why can't I het any

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Speaker 2: At least he made one good decision so far. After

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Speaker 2: party had made their exit. This argument and the ensuing

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Speaker 2: frustration prompted my fiance to tell the photographer we hired

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Speaker 2: Kevin only got a pass because he was still my

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Speaker 2: best man. It also pissed me off that the two

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Speaker 2: of them started packing up all the leftover catering from

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Speaker 2: the rehearsal dinner and took it home without so much

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Speaker 2: as asking.

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Speaker 6: Wait, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: They showed up with freaking like containers, yeah, tupperware, and

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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, we're gonna take this. I wish not,

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Speaker 2: want not.

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Speaker 5: We don't believe in wasting food, so we're gonna take

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Speaker 5: it before.

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Speaker 3: You haven't have a gene.

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Speaker 2: This is nuts nuts, oh my. And and also people

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Speaker 2: have no social cue. They changed the whole wedding procession

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Speaker 2: of the rehearsal because Kevin's being a weirdo.

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Speaker 5: Freaking weirdo, the freaking just like go like presumably, hope,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe not, but like I'm presuming that

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Speaker 5: you have multiple grooms men, just Kevin's back line, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Back of the line. Well, the next morning, Kevin and

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Speaker 2: Karen ran laid again. They once again tried to push

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why are we keeping this guy? We shocked,

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Speaker 2: But so let's keep going. The Kevin lord does not stop.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, what what does Kevin offer to you? Kevin?

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Speaker 2: He offers pain? You were Reddit story? Yeah? Okay, and

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Speaker 2: once again employed again. Karen is the soul out of Kevin.

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Speaker 3: And Kevin and the soul out of me.

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Speaker 2: and I don't appreciate it, No, we do not. Kevin. Well,

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Speaker 2: necessary to grow your bone's back. After Professor Gilderoy Lockhard

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Speaker 2: On this night, it was an hour before closing. Closing

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Speaker 2: Well now, our POS system had earlier gone through some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're willing to do whatever it takes,

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Speaker 3: Maybe get a freaking job.

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Speaker 2: Maybe get a freaking job and actually actually state that job.

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Speaker 2: Man has been more absent than the space between fork prongs.

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Speaker 2: I'm alive right now, but most definitely. Maybe maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: Karen are nothing but bad news.

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00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like literally you cannot help them, block them.

439
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 2: They only want to use you. Being in a really

440
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 2: bad situation. My wife and I tried brainstorming ideas to

441
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 2: help you are too nice. I mean a couple of calls,

442
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: was able to set up an interview at a different

443
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 2: branch with my previous employer. All Kevin had to do

444
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 2: was apply online. But do we think Kevin's going to

445
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 2: do that? No, we later found out he'd never even

446
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 2: attempted to apply. Kevin, my wife had also won a

447
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 2: competition at work that rewarded her with the five hundred

448
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 2: dollars gift card that she volunteered to give to them.

449
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: He had already used a little bit of it. We

450
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 2: also had some toys and stuffed animals that we pulled

451
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: together to give their kids for Christmas. However, I couldn't

452
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 2: help but feel this not my stomach about it. I

453
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: called Jack to see if I really was being a

454
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: bad friend by withholding help. Apparently I was not the

455
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 2: only one Kevin was asking for money from. I invited

456
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 2: Jack over dinner that weekend and I made reverse seared

457
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: rabbised potatoes, gartan and saute asparagus spears. Not relevant, just

458
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 2: proud about it. Turned out, it's very relevant. I want

459
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: some of that. I'm hungry.

460
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 3: I am hungry.

461
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: I found out that Kevin had been continually asking more

462
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 2: money from multiple people over the previous several years. I

463
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: also realized he had been making us all feel like

464
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: we were being selfish but for holding any assistance back, even

465
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: if we were in dire straight ourselves. And Jack, for

466
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 2: his part, was infuriated by the revelation that Kevin had

467
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 2: been doing this to other people and felt it was

468
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 2: time for a change.

469
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: Did you change your number?

470
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

471
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 3: Losing block them.

472
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: We both agreed that next time Kevin reached out for help,

473
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 2: we would meet up and confront him about everything that

474
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 2: has happened. We're doing a little intervention. A little over

475
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: a week after that night, Kevin once again messaged I

476
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: was out with my wife for a nice Sunday brunch.

477
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: When I got Kevin's message, he said that they had

478
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: run out of money to stay at their hotel and

479
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: that they were desperate in trying everything to avoid sleeping

480
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: in their car in the middle of a bitter winter cold.

481
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: Step felt nauseous at the thought of leading them with

482
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: nowhere to go, but Jack and I both agreed the

483
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: cycle needed to end. I met Jack at my house

484
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: and we messaged Kevin to meet us at the Square,

485
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 2: the nearby mall. Jack and I met Kevin at an

486
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: empty table and told him everything. We said we were

487
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: done enabling him and that we were tired of being

488
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: taken advantage up. I love that they finally said something

489
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: taken away too long? It's taken way too long.

490
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 7: Oh.

491
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: We said we were done enabling him and that we

492
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: were tired of being taken advantage up. Kevin had the

493
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 2: gall tell me that we didn't understand what it was

494
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: like to struggle. At that point, Jack became so frustrated

495
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: that he quickly stood up, told him I'm done and

496
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: stormed back to the car.

497
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm struggling to find a reason why there's still friends.

498
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: I stayed and told Kevin that just because Jack and

499
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: I weren't in the same position that he was, it

500
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: didn't mean we didn't know what it was like struggle.

501
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: I also told him that he stopped being a friend

502
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: to us when he started expecting money from us whenever

503
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: he got into trouble. I told him that it was

504
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: insulting to expect financial help when he would just turn

505
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: his nose up at jobs. We paved the way for

506
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: him to get ignore any and all advice we offered.

507
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: He's defeated thousand yards there. Told me that he knew

508
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: that we were right and that it was all over.

509
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: I realized there was nothing else to be said. He

510
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: got the message. I stood up, took the one hundred

511
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: dollars in collective Christmas money I had been hoarding for

512
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: the last few weeks, gave it to him and said,

513
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: don't waste it this time, and don't ever contact me again.

514
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: The hope he's putting the foot down and going so long.

515
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: It took so I mean, I feel like we could.

516
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: We should have gone low contact way earlier. We should

517
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: have done the lock phone screen method. Yeah, increasing spurts

518
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: of no contact, yeah, low contactness. Well yeah, but finally

519
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: op this, this is what you should have done earlier

520
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: before walking away without looking back. Jack, My wife and

521
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: I went and grabbed some dinner later to decompress, and

522
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: Jack and I went back to his place to talk

523
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: it out because we both knew we were torn up

524
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: about it. By the way, you should never be torn

525
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: up about not having enough episodes of this podcast, because

526
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: you could join us on YouTube and Facebook every weekday

527
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: at three pm PST. And we're probably live right now,

528
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: so tap our profile. It was irrelevant updates and I'm

529
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: going to go straight into it. For nine months since

530
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: we cut contact, and Jack and I still find ourselves

531
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: questioning whether or not it was the right thing to do,

532
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: or if we could have handled it better. My wife

533
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: keeps reassuring me that this was long overdue. I still

534
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: can't help but feel this turmoil or the whole thing.

535
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: I know he was my best friend for nearly two decades,

536
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: but I can't stand the thought of being taken advantage

537
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: of it anymore. Still, I wonder if we were too

538
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: harsh for leaving him and his family in a state

539
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: of homelessness with nowhere to go again. You gave him

540
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: so much and at a certain point someone just has

541
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: to like help themselves.

542
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you've given them a lot of fish,

543
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 5: and he's got to learn.

544
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: He's got to figure out how to do.

545
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: He's got to learn to fish for himself. You know,

546
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: you've got them to Somebody say, too many fish, too

547
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: many fish.

548
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: My friend is guilt tripping us because we prefer a

549
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: child free vacation.

550
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes traveling with the little ones is fun.

551
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: My parents traveled all over Europe with me in their

552
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: back pocket.

553
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: My thirty female friends, Sarah, also a thirty female, is

554
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: a single mom with two kids. She's been going through

555
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: a rough time after separating with her husband last year,

556
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: and I've done my best to be there for her.

557
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: My other close friend, Lina and I have always accommodated

558
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: Sarah's situation, visiting her at her house so she wouldn't

559
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: have to go out, planning outings around her kids needs,

560
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: and being as flexible as possible. Recently, Lina and I

561
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: decided to go on vacation together, just the two of us,

562
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: and when Sarah found out, she got very upset and

563
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: told us that she had expected us to include her

564
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: and her kids since we are her closest friends and

565
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: she doesn't have many people travel and her kids.

566
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: That's a little that's a little hard. I mean that

567
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: limits what you can do a lot, Opie says.

568
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: She also said that because she's in a difficult situation,

569
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: she thought this was something that we could do for

570
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: her as her friends.

571
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: For her, Oh that sounds like, hey, for her that is,

572
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: and pay for her. Oh that's crazy.

573
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: Well no, Lyne and I explained that while we love

574
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: her and her kids, a vacation with them would be

575
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: completely different from what we have in mind. Yeah, yeah,

576
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: not great. We also offered to take a shorter trip

577
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: with her and the kids, like a long weekend, but

578
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: she dismissed that because she wanted a full week at

579
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: the beach. She then said that she would have let

580
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: me join if the roles were reversed. But to me,

581
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: that's not a fair comparison. If I were tagging along

582
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: on a vacation with her family, I'd be adapting to

583
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: their plans, whereas if she came with us, we would

584
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: have to plan the whole trip around her.

585
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna go to like Disney or something and

586
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: see Mickey Mouse and that's the only thing, or I

587
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: don't know, like build sandcastles on the beach instead of

588
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: getting crunky with your friends. You'd be with that. I want,

589
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: not around the kids you're gonna be If there's a will,

590
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: there's a way. Can I hang out with Uncle Keywan? Yeah? Kids,

591
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 2: you don't drink the kool aid children? You know what?

592
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: Wan taste loud? God.

593
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: So, Sarah has now said that she doesn't know if

594
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: our friendship will survive this, which I think is an

595
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: extreme reaction. I understand that she's disappointed, but I don't

596
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: think it's fair to guilt trip us into changing our plans.

597
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: She's also acting like we're abandoning her, when in reality

598
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: we've been incredibly accommodating for years. I feel bad that

599
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: she's struggling, but at the end of the day, I

600
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's my responsibility to ensure that she has

601
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: someone to travel with.

602
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: Agreed, Oh yeah, greed. Agreed.

603
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: So the question is am I the a hole for

604
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: not wanting to go on vacation with her and her kids.

605
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: The only thing that I would change here in this

606
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: whole little story is just say, hey, I'm planning a

607
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: child free vacation. You were welcome to come if you

608
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with those little rug rats

609
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: and you can come, but just know this is a

610
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: child for re location. Like we're drinking, we're drinking wine.

611
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: Because then one you're telling her about the vacation, so

612
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I saw a surprised you know, and

613
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: giving you the option but letting her know, like, hey,

614
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the line in the sand tier is we want a

615
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: child free vacation. This is this is what we watch.

616
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: This is we're planning our vacation.

617
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to go club it. I like that. Yeah,

618
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: the you know, communication park. Yeah, everything else of this

619
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: is like ridiculous.

620
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Commenter number one says, I mean the other option

621
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: is to let her come, but you don't change your plans.

622
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: This could call for some malicious compliance. Oh, the kids

623
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: need to go to bed, have fun, We'll be at

624
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: the bar, nightclub, slash whatever. Quickly flagging that terrible idea. Yeah,

625
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna ruin your trip. Why it's gonna really ruin

626
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: your trip. And then you're like like, oh, like do

627
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: some malicious compliance to like no, just just say you

628
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: can't come on the trip.

629
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, maliciousness needed, Yeah, come on.

630
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Ope, your response to that saying we did consider the

631
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: idea of letting her come along while sticking to our

632
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: original plans, but realistically don't think it did work.

633
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: And that is correct.

634
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: If we went out at night while she had to

635
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: stay with the kids, she'd likely feel excluded, even if

636
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: she claims now that she won't mind, and honesty, Lena

637
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: and I both know that we wouldn't actually be able

638
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: to go through with it. We're softies, and if we

639
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: saw her upset or struggling to feel bad, you would

640
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: just that's human names feel bad, it's hum name.

641
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: That it would just totally put a little damper on

642
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: your girl's vacation, you know.

643
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, go just go find some mommies. Go find

644
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: a bunch of mommies and round them up. Yeah, so, uh,

645
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: Opie says, we're softies. If we saw our upset struggling,

646
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: we'd end up just feeling guilty and changing our plans anyways,

647
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: So in the end, it would either lead to her

648
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: feeling left out or us compromising our own vacation, And

649
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: that is exactly why we felt it was better just

650
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: to be upfront about our decision great, rather than setting

651
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: ourselves up for a situation where no one is truly happy.

652
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: Commenter number two says, I like this idea. You and

653
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Lina do whatever you'd plan to do, go out clubbing,

654
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: get in it to am, sleep until eleven whatever, don't

655
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: take any responsibility for watching the kids at all, or

656
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: maybe explain to say that that's what you'll be doing,

657
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: so wouldn't be much of a.

658
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Holiday for her as you'll as she will be looking

659
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: after the kids one hundred percent.

660
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Anyways, and Opie says, seems like similar to the first

661
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: idea of Opie says, We've tried telling her that, but

662
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: at this point, I feel like she refuses to understand.

663
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I think she wants this vacation so badly that she

664
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: isn't able to see both sides, which saddens us.

665
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Because she means a lot to us. And coverntion number.

666
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Three says, I think you need to gently explain to

667
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: her that she should try expanding her circle to include

668
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: more people.

669
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: Round up some mommies and a surround up. We need

670
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: the mommy circle. I want a mommy circle. Heh God,

671
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: hey be careful there.

672
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Yes, to include more people who also have children, They're

673
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: much more likely to want to do those kinds of

674
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: trips to enjoy with children, versus going along with two

675
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: of your single girlfriends and feeling left out and envious.

676
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Opie says she has some acquaintances in her neighborhood with

677
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: kids that she spends time with. They're just not as

678
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: close as we are, which makes sense because we've known

679
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: each other for over ten years. But I do agree

680
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: that it would be much better for her to play

681
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: those sorts of things with them. And I also know

682
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: that her own parents mother in law would be available

683
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: to go on a vacation with her and the kids,

684
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: but she doesn't want that either.

685
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: Her own mother aw wants to go on a vacation

686
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: with the kids. Yes, her parents and her mother in law,

687
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, god, well she wants, she wants, she wants,

688
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: she wants the girls single trip. He wants the girls trip.

689
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: Do it? Do it with the moms.

690
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: That is the best option you have where it's like, hey,

691
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: everyone's in the same boat and figuring out the childcare,

692
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: and everyone's probably like, mommy needs a break, Let's let's

693
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: all the moms, let's go to the bar, let's have fun.

694
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: That seems to be like the best possible case. Yeah,

695
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean I but it isn't as fun as the

696
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: single Girl's trip commentary number four not the a whole.

697
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand how this woman thinks friendship works. Was

698
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: she expecting you to babysit? Are you not allowed to

699
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: have other friends? This is confusing, Opie says. She said

700
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't expect us to help with her kids, but

701
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: realistically that is near impossible. Love the kids, and if

702
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: they went up to us wanting our attention or help,

703
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: or if we saw her struggling, we would never tell

704
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: them to just f off. We had a similar situation

705
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: at our New Year's Eve party where she insisted on

706
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: bringing the kids. At the end, we did end up

707
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: helping her with them, so we know it just wouldn't work.

708
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you you brought your kids to a New

709
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Year's Eve party? Yeah, Sarah, girl, this isn't it? This

710
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: is this is not it?

711
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: No?

712
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: Why?

713
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: At at a certain point it's like know where to

714
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: take your kids? Like, don't take them to your New

715
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: Year's Eve party. A commenter says, can Sarah find a

716
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: family member or trusted friend to look after the kids

717
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: so she can go on vacation with Opie?

718
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: Lina?

719
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: What about the kids? Father slash her husband Opie says.

720
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: We did tell her that if she found someone to

721
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: take care of the kids, she could join us. He

722
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: doesn't want to. A vacation without her kids is not

723
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: an option for her. Yeah, it seems like.

724
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, how old are the kids? Yeah, so quick contact.

725
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: The kids are three and one and a half, so

726
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: definitely not in age where they're able to spend time,

727
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: not super closely.

728
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: You can't leave. You can't leave a three year old

729
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: in a room. I think you could leave a one

730
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: and a half year old and like a little baby

731
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: bonnet thing in a room during New Year's Eve, But

732
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you could leave a three year old.

733
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: But even too, like the one and a half, Like

734
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: what if they what if they grab their little diapers?

735
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, like I don't know. What do you have

736
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: to immediately? Like I mean when you're sleeping, Yeah, but

737
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: it's like what you're gonna be there two hours? You

738
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: check in when you right when you get there? Well

739
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: you two hours? Yeah, but you you you check every

740
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: hour on the baby and you're like all right, like

741
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: has it crap? No? All right? Then then you leave

742
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: and it's sleeping.

743
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I guess, Well we have an update three days later,

744
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: fresh off the pressens So she has sent me a

745
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: twelve minute voice note ending our ten year friendship because

746
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: she thinks that we should have celebrated New Year's Eve

747
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: at her home with her kids, and that we should

748
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: take this trip with her to cheer her up, and

749
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: this friendship was not on equal terms.

750
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: Dramatic whoa, So.

751
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: He says, Uh, this is the message I'm thinking of sending.

752
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: If it sounds a little weird, it's because it's translated

753
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: into English from my first language. I'm sorry that you

754
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: see it like that. I do understand that you're going

755
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: through an incredibly tough time, and it's absolutely never our

756
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: intention to leave you behind. But to me, friendship doesn't

757
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: mean that everything always has to revolve around one person,

758
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: even if they're going through a hard time. We've tried

759
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: to find a compromise both on New Year's Eve and

760
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: with the vacation, but it feels like it has to

761
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: be exactly the way you imagine it or not at all,

762
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: And honestly, that doesn't feel like an equal friendship to

763
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: me either. Of Course, I can understand that you feel excluded,

764
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: but that was never my intention either. There are simply

765
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: moments when as someone without kids, I want to spend

766
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: time without children.

767
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh.

768
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: You always emphasize that your kids are part of you,

769
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: which is of course your decision, but it also means

770
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: that sometimes you can't have both if you never really

771
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: ask yourself whether there are alternatives, because you assume from

772
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: the start that you always have to or want to

773
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: have your kids with you, then that's your choice, but

774
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: you can't expect others to go along with that decision.

775
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's really sad that you want to

776
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: enter tend your friendship over this, because you mean a

777
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: lot to me. But if this is what you've decided

778
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: for yourself, then I have no choice but to respect that.

779
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: I still hope that at some point we can find

780
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: our way back to each other. And I wish you

781
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: and the kids' best. That is a really mature response

782
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: from OP. Yes, And it's like communicate everything that you're

783
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: feeling and what you see.

784
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: But there is a like.

785
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: For instance, I feel like ending this is almost like

786
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: like a principles like ending a message with like I

787
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: truly wish you the best and everything like those kind

788
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: of things matter.

789
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this kind of communication, yeah, no, one hundred percent degree.

790
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: I think OP did that with like so much class.

791
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: And I also like that as a response to when

792
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: someone's being an obvious crump to you. It's like like

793
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: like on them with the kindness. Yeah, I think. Yeah,

794
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: I agree. That's always a move, always a move.

795
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: By the way, it's always a move to go to Spotify,

796
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, your favorite pod app, and take those little

797
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: fingers and type in.

798
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Okay story talk. What am I doing with my little finger.

799
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Typing in okay story time and listening to two thousand

800
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: episodes of amazing content just like this. But we have

801
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: one last relevant update before we leave. We have an

802
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: update to finish this story.

803
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: Just kidding.

804
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: This is comments ah got to and got me too,

805
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: So comment number one not the a whole. You won't

806
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: read all that. Even if she does, she'll only read

807
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: with a lens of proving her own point. Send a

808
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: shorter message once she can't pick a part to prove

809
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: her point. I who cares express how you feel? That's yeah,

810
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about how yours.

811
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but far as you could send like

812
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: an under ten second voice yeah, be gen z about

813
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: gen Z. But you could send three of those. Yeah.

814
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I think this is an example, I respect your decision.

815
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: Please feel free to reach out when you want to

816
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: resume our friendship. I'm sorry to see our friendship end,

817
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: but I respect your decision.

818
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: Goodbye. I don't know. I think I think op did.

819
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like that feels like Kay, Yeah exactly, Dude,

820
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Kay is so aggressive on Kay is so aggressive? So aggressive? No,

821
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: then just cut contact until till she calms down. Opie

822
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: replies to that, I already sent the message last night.

823
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: I definitely understand what you're saying, and I agree that

824
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: she won't be able.

825
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: To accept whatever I said.

826
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: But to be honest, I did it more for me

827
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: because I was getting sick of letting her rewrite the

828
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: narrative unchallenged, even though I feel bad about it. And

829
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: commenter number two says, so did she respond to your message?

830
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: A commenter says, to be honest, I doubt she will

831
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: actually end the friendship. You give her way too much,

832
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: so she probably won't give that up. She's just gonna

833
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: lay on that guilt even more. Opie says, Nope, no response.

834
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: To be honest, I wasn't really expecting one. She's clearly

835
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: stuck in the role of a victims sense of divorce.

836
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if she expected me to reply differently. In

837
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: any case, she's the one who decided to end their

838
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: friendship over this, so it's up to her to rectify it.

839
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Good point if she should ever regret it. And that

840
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: is literally all she wrote.

841
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: I think op handle the class. Sam. Here, we're gonna

842
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: get back to the stories. But here's three of minutes

843
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844
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Speaker 6: I refuse to move in with my fiance's family again.

845
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: I'd rather leave him.

846
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm imagining like the family from Charlie

847
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 7: and the Chocolate vig. Yeah. Three g four grandparents, one bit.

848
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 6: Too much, too much for starters.

849
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: This is mostly for advice and to rant a little

850
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: because I'm tired and I can't take this anymore. I

851
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: want to know, genuinely if I am being crazy and

852
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: a witch or not.

853
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 6: And sorry, this is going to be a long one.

854
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: I twenty three female in my fiance twenty seven male,

855
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: have been together for five years and I had chased

856
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 4: him for six months before we officially got together.

857
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 6: Story for another time. A lot to unfold there, Please

858
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 6: send it in.

859
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 4: By the way, This comes from Darky moo oh one

860
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: on the r slash okay, story time is suppredded. So

861
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: in the past, I've always had a bad relationship with

862
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: my significant others parents from the start. Either I wasn't

863
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: good enough or smart enough, not their type of pretty,

864
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: et cetera. So when I knew I liked this man

865
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: and he was going to introduce me to his family,

866
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 4: I was nervous that they wouldn't like me for another

867
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: thing that I can't control, and this relationship wouldn't work.

868
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 6: Oh and I didn't mention.

869
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: Before, but I am a textbook people pleaser. So when

870
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: I met his family and mother and they all seem

871
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: to like me, I was relieved to finally feel welcomed

872
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: by a family that could potentially be in my in laws.

873
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 4: And it really gave me the confidence to go forward

874
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: with this relationship and focus on us and not why

875
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: his family hated me for once.

876
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 6: So about a year into our relationship, things hit a snag.

877
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: His ex wife tried coming back. Oh oh, I had

878
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: a miscarriage and some other things. It's a lot not

879
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: that relevant. It's more like character building.

880
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Moving on. Oh my goodness.

881
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: And when we got through that, the VID hit and

882
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 6: everything shut down.

883
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that's when it started his family wanted to move,

884
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: and since we were living in a mother in law

885
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: suite on the property, we had two choices from here

886
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: find our own place asap, or help them get the

887
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: house on the market and move and we.

888
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 6: Could move with them.

889
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: I hated the place I grew up, so naturally when

890
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: he said that he would like to move in with them,

891
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 4: I agreed on one condition. The place they were looking

892
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: at was a building with two living residences, yeah, and

893
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 4: a hall with four big rooms, two bathrooms, a laundry room.

894
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 6: But it is halfway across the country from my family.

895
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 4: I have never been more than thirty minutes from my family,

896
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: and the thought of being so far from them scared

897
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: me beyond belief. But I love this man and want

898
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: to start alife with him wherever.

899
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: He chooses to be.

900
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: The condition was that we got one of the living

901
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: residences if we helped his parents sell the house and

902
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: move there.

903
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 6: To which they agreed.

904
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: So the plans were set into motion, and it took

905
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: us quite a bit longer than we preferred to sell

906
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: the house. The reason being is Mom she had no

907
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: sense of urgency once things were in motion to get

908
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 4: the house ready to go on the market.

909
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: And when it.

910
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: Came time to pack, they waited until the very last

911
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: second possible to pack, making things way more chaotic than

912
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: they needed to be, considering that it was her idea

913
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: to move in the first place. To add to that,

914
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 4: we carry a vand in three cars down to the

915
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: new place in the middle slash end of May. So

916
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 4: it was hot and my fiance's car didn't have a seat.

917
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: That would have been fine had our predicted two day

918
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: drive not taken us.

919
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 6: A week to get down there. Why is it that,

920
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 6: you might ask whether you guessed it?

921
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: His mom?

922
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: Yet again, she insisted that we stopped and find a

923
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: hotel the second the sky started changing colors because the

924
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: sun was getting ready to set, and in the morning,

925
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: instead of leaving bright and early, we all had to

926
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: go get something to eat, per her wishes, and we

927
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: never actually got back on the.

928
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 6: Road until after nine most days.

929
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: Now, mind you, everyone else was fine because their cars

930
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: had working AC, so they had no problems. On the

931
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: rise by fiance and I, however, had three cats in

932
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: the back, a car full of our stuff, and no AC.

933
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 6: In ninety degrees.

934
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: Wow is that safe?

935
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 6: That does not feel safe?

936
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 7: I've got the windows open, might be all right.

937
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: I was stuck in traffic one time, like stuck stopped

938
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: in traffic and the heat and my car didn't have

939
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 4: AC and then I got to work and I almost fainted.

940
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: So so I'm worried about these guys and those cats.

941
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: So we did not like wasting all this time not

942
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: driving when they knew that we would.

943
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 6: Be miserable, and so would the cats.

944
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: I love my cat like she's family, and got rather

945
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: annoyed that after the third day of stopping before the

946
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: sunset and still being over five hundred miles out, I

947
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: was continuously being told that we don't have time to

948
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: find a pet friendly hotel. So by the time we

949
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: got here, I wasn't letting the cats go out as

950
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: much to go to the bathroom and eat and drink,

951
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: because I just wanted to get to our new place

952
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: and let them free. I can't be free me so

953
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: worried these cats right now. Turned out that we had

954
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: to wait for the realtor to show us the place,

955
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: then was informed that we couldn't get in there right away,

956
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: resulting in us finding another hotel.

957
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 6: This time.

958
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 4: However, we insisted on finding a pet friendly hotel because

959
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: I was tired of not getting any sleep, worrying about

960
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: my cat being locked in my car all night, and

961
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: constantly getting up to.

962
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: Check on her.

963
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: This is where my hatred began to grow. When I

964
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: unloaded the cats. We had three of them in two

965
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 4: cat crates and a dog kennel. That's what we had

966
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 4: when we started packing, and it worked.

967
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: Don't judge.

968
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: Also, I won't disclose my pet names because they are

969
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: very unique.

970
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 6: And I don't want my mother in law to find this.

971
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 4: Somehow, my cat, let's call her Sassy, was on top

972
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: of my fiance's brother cat we'll call him Mike cat crate,

973
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: with the dog kennel and his sister's cats fake named June,

974
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: sitting next to him. Little to my knowledge, Sassy's cat

975
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 4: crate had been in the sun the whole ride down,

976
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 4: and when I went to pull her out, her pats

977
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: were jo oh. The bottom of the cat create had

978
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: melted in the sun because our car had no AC

979
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: to keep them cool, and burned the bottoms of her

980
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: feet so bad that.

981
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: She couldn't stand up.

982
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: Dude, I was worried about these cats, man, But oh,

983
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: my goodness.

984
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 7: Are your car windows made out of like magnifying glass?

985
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: Like what do you what's going on?

986
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: I was saying, it's melting, it's melting. Gets on there.

987
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 6: It's crazy, dude, that's crazy.

988
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Yeah to the mom.

989
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: Not see you, guys, you guys, you've been worried. But

990
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 6: oh my goodness.

991
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: I sat with her in the fetal position and cried

992
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: while his family went and got food and left me

993
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: to watch the cat, which I had originally agreed to.

994
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 4: No hate there my cat's pads. It didn't heal right,

995
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: and gave her and give her problems even now three

996
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: years later. Oh and by the way, I remember that

997
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 4: condition we had agreed upon, We had agreed upon before

998
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: even helping them sell the house they to us. We

999
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: were told after a while we were at the hotel

1000
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: that we weren't getting a living residence and instead was

1001
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: getting the biggest room of the hall ones because his

1002
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: brother offered to pay more for the living residence and

1003
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: they were getting the other one.

1004
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, so they won.

1005
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: They lost a secret bidding more to his brother for

1006
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: this like living residency thing.

1007
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. So mind you.

1008
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: We downsized from a house worth of stuff to an

1009
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: apartment worth of stuff before moving, and now have boxes

1010
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: of stuff that we can't put away because we live

1011
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: in a room.

1012
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, like that's this is all so bad. Yeah, this

1013
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 7: is awful.

1014
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is crazy important note moving forward, my parents

1015
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: followed me a few months later. This ended up being

1016
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: a blessing, as the events following would have been heck,

1017
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: had I not at them within walking distance. Now fast

1018
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: forward to about a year and a half living there,

1019
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: I accidentally got pregnant. This was not something my fiance

1020
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: and I wanted for a few years down the road,

1021
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 4: and were not financially stable enough or at the time,

1022
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 4: so the only person I told was my mom. My

1023
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: fiance was working out of state and I didn't have

1024
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: a license, so while he was against it, we both

1025
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: knew I had to in order to get my doctor's appointments.

1026
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: I hadn't told her though, until I was three months

1027
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: because honestly, I denied I was for three months until

1028
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: she had mentioned it to me that I needed to

1029
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 4: go dig a test since I was always so sick

1030
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: and had no real energy. Mother's intuition, she just knows

1031
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: it just gets you.

1032
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 2: She's like, sick, no energy baby.

1033
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: Well, my fiance and I, although we didn't necessarily hide

1034
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: the fact that I was expecting. We also had no

1035
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 4: urgency to tell his family either a real a hole

1036
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: move of us, but this would have been both of

1037
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: our first child, and neither of us were actually ready

1038
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: to accept the fact that this was happening quite yet

1039
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: another month. After another month of hiding it from my dad, however,

1040
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: by constantly wearing hoodies and baggy clothes. Even though I

1041
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: didn't s oh until I was eight months, he had.

1042
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: He had suspicions, and eventually I told him. He promised

1043
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: to keep it a secret, but that uh, but that

1044
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: ate at me that now both of my parents knew

1045
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: and his didn't. So I told him it wasn't my

1046
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 4: place to tell them, as I was the one who

1047
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: told my parents, so he needed to tell his, but

1048
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: that he shouldn't really wait. He advised me that waiting

1049
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: was the best course of action, as he wasn't home

1050
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: to defend me or a stick up for me had

1051
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 4: things turned when they found out.

1052
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 6: Oh boy, was he right about that.

1053
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 4: He had about a week and a half in between

1054
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: his work, so he flew back to be with me

1055
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: and fixed his car so that I could drive it there.

1056
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: So I could drive it was there for an emergency

1057
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: where I needed to his brother, and I helped him

1058
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 4: with it. At this time, I was about six ish

1059
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: months pregnant and still not really showing, but wearing a

1060
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: hoodie in ninety degrees regardless.

1061
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Oh that go back again.

1062
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 4: That's showing though, Yeah, right, it's showing that this stood

1063
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: out as odd to his brother, who then told me

1064
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be wearing a jacket in ninety eight degree weather,

1065
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: and my panic's response to him was I feel fat today.

1066
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 4: This was a giveaway, as I almost never eat and

1067
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: am one hundred and thirty pounds. I have never really

1068
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: been self conscious about my weight, and he knew that,

1069
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: so he later confronted my fiance to ask him what

1070
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: was wrong with me, as this was not the first

1071
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: time that he's seen me wearing hoodies outside in crazy

1072
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: high temperatures.

1073
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, even if it's not pregnancy, it could be like,

1074
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 6: is she okay? Like she just depressed or something?

1075
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: I that like what was going on?

1076
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: So he told him and asked if he could keep

1077
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: help keep me comfortable while he's working, as he doesn't

1078
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 4: really talk to my parents much but knows that it's hard,

1079
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: but knows that it's been hard for them being the

1080
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: only ones who know about it, and takes me to

1081
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: appointments and such. He agreed, and honestly, his brother is

1082
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 4: a saint for defending me when his mom eventually found out,

1083
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly how she found out, but one

1084
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: day I was just chilling in my room with my cat,

1085
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: being all pregnant, and then the next I was packing

1086
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: my bags and sneaking out. Well, his mom was grocery

1087
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: shopping because she had kicked me out for not telling

1088
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: her I was pregnant.

1089
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 7: Oh, that's a great reason to kick somebody out and

1090
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 7: not at all a psychotic thing to do to somebody. Yeah,

1091
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 7: especially after you lie to them about the nature of

1092
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 7: the place that they're moving to.

1093
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 4: In the first place, you lied about this little human

1094
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: you're carrying that will be my grandchild. So now I

1095
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 4: don't want you here. I feel like that the opposite

1096
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: needs to happen, is like, we need to get you

1097
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: a better space to live in because you have a

1098
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: baby coming. I went to stay with my parents in

1099
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: their spare room while my fiance was working and dealing

1100
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: with his mom and trying to get her to see

1101
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: how unreasonable she was acting. She then proceeded to tell

1102
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: him that what I had done by not telling her

1103
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: was hurtful.

1104
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. I'll give her that.

1105
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: I'll give her that one shame on us, and that

1106
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: I had robbed her of being a grandmother. What You're

1107
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: still going to be a grandmother. You just didn't know

1108
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: about it. It's just a surprise. I was only six

1109
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 4: months pregnant. My baby wasn't even born yet. So how

1110
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 4: I did that I will never know. I then stayed

1111
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 4: with my parents for about two months until he came

1112
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: back from work and I was allowed to come home

1113
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: to talk things through. Well get this, Well, get this.

1114
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: While I was gone at my parents, she had been busy.

1115
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 4: His older sister, who didn't move with us originally and

1116
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: was still living back in our hometown, hadn't gotten word

1117
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: of my pregnancy from either of us because we honestly

1118
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: weren't planning on telling really anyone until the baby was born.

1119
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 6: So naturally, his mother painted me out to be a monster.

1120
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: She claimed that my mother and I had hid the

1121
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: pregnancy from my fiance until I was three months pregnant,

1122
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: then forced him to lie to everyone about it, and

1123
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: was secretly planning on taking the baby away from him.

1124
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: What the what? Oh, my goodness, none of that was

1125
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: remotely true, as I didn't even know or have a

1126
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: concrete proof that I was pregnant until I was three

1127
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: months pregnant. This is not the only lie she told.

1128
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: She also had the pleasure of crying to our neighbors

1129
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: of how she you would never get to see her

1130
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: grandbaby as I was selfish and would keep her from them. Girl,

1131
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: you're the one that literally kicked her out of your place.

1132
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: She also had his dad who was working with him,

1133
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: trying to convince him while they were up there that

1134
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: he should.

1135
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: Take the baby and leave me.

1136
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know about any of this until after I

1137
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: had come back to the house to talk it over

1138
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: with her and move back in. She agreed that she

1139
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 4: overreacted by kicking me out, but then followed her apology

1140
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: with an but hiding something like that from me when

1141
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: you knew how excited I was to be a grandma,

1142
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: and I saw you like a daughter, So I felt

1143
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: so betrayed. To this day, I have never gotten a

1144
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: proper apology from her kicking me out like that. Fast

1145
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: forward to our baby's birth. For a little history, my

1146
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: mother can't give birth naturally. All my siblings and I

1147
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 4: were sea sections. My sister, who only has one kid,

1148
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: also had to have a sea section. I wanted to

1149
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: give birth naturally. I am also terrified of hospitals and surgery,

1150
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: so hearing from my doctor hours into labor my baby

1151
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: wasn't tolerating labor and it was becoming dangerous and gave

1152
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: me the opportunity to discuss having a sea section or

1153
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: trying to continue. And if things were still continuing like

1154
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 4: they were, we would have to go into an emergency

1155
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 4: sea section, which was the worst thing imaginable to me.

1156
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: I cried for about an hour on my to my

1157
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: fiance before we decided it was best for our babies

1158
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 4: to go ahead with the sea section, as emergency sea

1159
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: sections often have complications and can be a lot of

1160
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 4: stress and very scary.

1161
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 6: This, however, led to a three days.

1162
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: Stay in the hospital, my nightmare, and people coming to

1163
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 4: visit us during those three days, his mom being one

1164
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: of them.

1165
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 6: H we can all imagine we're gond of problems that

1166
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 6: would bring.

1167
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: When she came to visit, she had seemed to have

1168
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 4: a different attitude towards me than she had before. I

1169
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: thought maybe seeing the grandchild her son and I created

1170
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 4: made her forget all that we had previously beefed about

1171
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: and flipped.

1172
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 6: A new leaf.

1173
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: But this was not the case, for as soon as

1174
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: she heard the name, she flipped out again, saying that

1175
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: we only named our child that because we know that

1176
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 4: she hates names that start with that letter.

1177
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 7: What it's not about you, lady.

1178
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 4: She then proceeded to storm out before getting to hold

1179
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: her grandchild and dragged his little sister out with her,

1180
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 4: even though that she was saying that she wanted to

1181
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: stay and see the baby. Fast forwards more to now,

1182
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: when my baby is a year old and over an

1183
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: overall mother in law has been a surprisingly good grandmother

1184
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: to my baby. There has been little things here and

1185
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: there that we have that we have had to remind

1186
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: her that we don't want our child copying or learning,

1187
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 4: but overall, it has been nice not having to worry

1188
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: about my baby's health and happiness while I'm working. I

1189
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: have a full time job and have since my baby

1190
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 4: was four months old. I don't pay for daycare because

1191
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 4: my parent or my fiance's parents are always available, and

1192
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: so is my fiancee. I am having him take a

1193
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 4: break from working to form abad with our child before

1194
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 4: he eventually does go back and leaves us for months

1195
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: at a time. Between working and taking care of my baby,

1196
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: I am never home or out of my room much

1197
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: to interact with his family. This has resulted in me

1198
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 4: being left out of the family decision making, and so

1199
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: I was not too thrilled when I learned from his

1200
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: mom that she wanted to move everyone again across the

1201
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: country to Alaska. I hate the cold, I always have,

1202
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 4: so I naturally said I didn't like Alaska. She then

1203
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 4: blew me off, saying that it was a gorgeous property

1204
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: and big enough so that we could have our own

1205
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: house on it and I could be there to help

1206
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: her with her farm, animals and greenhouse while the men.

1207
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: Went to work.

1208
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 7: I'm just a psycho, but like, Alaska is so beautiful, gorgeous,

1209
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 7: and my thing is I like this no as well,

1210
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 7: And it's like it's just a it's you know what.

1211
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 7: The dark part of this is that in the future,

1212
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 7: I'm like, it's probably gonna be really good to be

1213
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 7: in a place where there's.

1214
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people. But I don't want to

1215
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: get into that.

1216
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, but again, it's if you can't handle the cold,

1217
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 7: like if OPI doesn't like cold. So it's like, no,

1218
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 7: you could not. Yeah, I'm a snowboarder, like I like.

1219
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 7: I like the I can I can cope with the cold.

1220
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1221
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: Going from these ninety eight degree days to snow all

1222
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: the time.

1223
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the change. Huge.

1224
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: I figure that this is just her being her, since

1225
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: she doesn't work and doesn't really leave the house, so

1226
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 4: she was just daydreaming and window shopping. I'm not going

1227
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: to lie. I do it too when I see a

1228
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: house come on the market in my area. But then,

1229
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: to my surprise when I brought it up to my fiance,

1230
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: he already knew about this plan to move to Alaska

1231
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: and hadn't even talked to me about it.

1232
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 6: Uh, oh, that's no good.

1233
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: I was upset because he knew how much my family

1234
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 4: meant to me and knew that they would not follow

1235
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 4: me to Alaska, and even more upset that he didn't

1236
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: think to consult me about it when he found out.

1237
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 6: That's a great point.

1238
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: You gotta talk about moving.

1239
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 6: To Alaska with your wife.

1240
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like, it's it's a crazy I don't understand

1241
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 7: that that family dynamic of being like and now we

1242
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 7: all live in Alaska. Yeah, because that's my idea. How

1243
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 7: about no, how about what?

1244
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 6: By the way, you know what, you guys can always.

1245
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 7: Move to Yeah, you can move straight to your podcast

1246
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 7: platform of choice.

1247
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 4: Your favorite podcast app. Yeah, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcast.

1248
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 2: That's right, anyone, any anywhere? Even YouTube.

1249
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 7: YouTube has a podcast section.

1250
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: Whatt you look at that and you can sarch oky

1251
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: story time and you can live there for How many

1252
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: days do we have content?

1253
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 7: Fifty two my favorite area?

1254
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 6: Two days?

1255
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: Anywa who there is a little bit more of the story.

1256
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: But do we have any little thoughts before we finish

1257
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: this guy up?

1258
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 7: I mean like, yeah, you don't have to stand for

1259
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 7: these people, like deciding how you're going to live your life.

1260
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 6: The whole family does not need to live together.

1261
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1262
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: Even like with the trip over here, I was kind

1263
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: of thinking, like, why do you guys need to have

1264
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: the same like driving schedule. Can't you guys if you're

1265
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: taking three cars, can't you guys be like, Hey, we're

1266
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 4: gonna stay in this hotel. We're not gonna go to

1267
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 4: line or dinner or breakfast or whatever. We're gonna go

1268
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: straight there.

1269
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1270
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 7: You come up with a plan and then you're like,

1271
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 7: all right, we meet here by this time, and then

1272
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 7: you can go do your detour, do whatever exactly.

1273
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: I fully.

1274
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 7: Recommend if you do a long distance road trip, plan

1275
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 7: out a week and a half, plan out, you know how,

1276
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 7: take your time, because then you can like go see

1277
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 7: it's so fun to like drive around and like find

1278
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 7: all these cool, weird little places you'd never go to before.

1279
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 7: And it's like, yeah, it's really it's a great experience.

1280
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: After all, take your time.

1281
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 6: It's about the journey, not the destination.

1282
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: The journey is the destination, man, But.

1283
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 6: There is a little bit more So.

1284
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 4: I started to fight about it because I'm kind of

1285
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: emotional about things I feel I can't control, and he

1286
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 4: made me feel like I had to move with them

1287
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: by not talking to me about it. I ended the

1288
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 4: argument by yelling at him that I would sooner leave

1289
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: him than move with his family. Again, everything about moving

1290
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 4: is just up in the air right now and nothing

1291
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 4: has been set into motion.

1292
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: But am I the a hole for telling him that? Wow?

1293
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 4: That was like full circle back to the title of that. Yeah,

1294
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 4: that's and that's the end of the story.

1295
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 7: But what do we think think you're an a hole?

1296
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 7: I think it's like that's very reasonable.

1297
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: Listen, because you could you could you know, describe it

1298
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: in the way where it's like I never ever want

1299
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 4: to leave you, so I would sooner do that than

1300
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: move to Alaska, you know what I mean?

1301
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 6: So if I really really.

1302
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 4: Never ever want to leave you, you can only imagine how

1303
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: much I do not want to move to Alaska.

1304
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1305
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 7: It's like this is like a dude, like your your

1306
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 7: your family has like systematically like do they kicked me

1307
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 7: out while I was pregnant?

1308
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: I am not living with these people?

1309
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotta say with my with your child.

1310
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, because literally when she got kicked out, she had

1311
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 4: to go stay with her parents. What is she going

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00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 4: to do if something like that happens again and she's

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00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 4: alone in Alaska and he's off, you know, working three months.

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 7: And it's like maybe he doesn't get it because he

1316
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 7: has that you know, that distance, that separation from his job, and.

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 6: Maybe doesn't get treated the same way from his mom too.

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I don't think the a hole I think.

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00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he probably could have taken it

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00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: a little far, and he probably you know, could be

1322
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: offended by it, and you can apologize, but just explain it.

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 6: Just explain it, and hopefully you're able to do it

1324
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 6: in a calmer tone. Hopefully you both are.

1325
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 7: I mean, if he's offended, it's like you gotta be like, yeah,

1326
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: you could see how much it must have taken for

1327
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 7: me to get to this point.

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00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, show him this reddit post, show mall the comments.

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 6: I'm sure those usually tend to.

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00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 7: Be very nice people and thoughtful.

1331
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, not the a hole.

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 6: Let us know in the chat, what.

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Speaker 2: Do we think? Hey, y'all, it's John og Host here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to the stories, but here's a

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Speaker 1: quick three minute break from as for more sponsors.

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Speaker 7: My boyfriend's friend ghosted us after neglect. Now he's acting

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 7: like nothing happened.

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: Isn't that the whole point of ghosting is just like ignore,

1339
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: avoid disappear.

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 7: Or avoid disappear spook. By the way, I would be

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 7: remiss if I did not mentioned this came directly from

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Speaker 7: the okay story time stopping No way, directly from one

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Speaker 7: of you.

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 6: One of our children has.

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 7: An issue when the thought of babies one of a

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 7: babe is it?

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: Dude?

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 6: If you're in chat, let us snow sound off him.

1349
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 7: Going crazy because I really don't understand this situation at all.

1350
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 7: I thirty three female, and my boyfriend let's call him Jay,

1351
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 7: thirty five male, have been in a relationship for a year.

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00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 7: We first met in two thousand and seven through the

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00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 7: same friend group, and from twenty seventeen to October of

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00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three we lost touch because I moved away

1355
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 7: and focused on my own life. Then we unexpectedly crossed

1356
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 7: paths again and have been together since February of twenty

1357
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 7: twenty four. By the way, this comes from user Popsis

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Speaker 7: directly from the r slash Okay storytime suburn it and

1359
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 7: if you want to submit your own stories, go submit

1360
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 7: them there. Anything was going well and at the end

1361
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 7: of September we booked a trip to Turkey for eight

1362
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 7: days so gobble Gobble. The trip itself went smoothly. Jay

1363
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 7: has a dog and needed someone to take care of

1364
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 7: it that week. A very good friend of his thirty

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 7: eight female let's call her Sharon, was willing to look

1366
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 7: after the dog since her house was under renovation at

1367
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 7: the time. Jay suggested that she stay at his place.

1368
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 7: That way, the dog would have more company, which is

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00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 7: a win win for everyone. Jay has an electric scooter,

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 7: which is his only means of transportation. Karen uses this

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00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 7: scooter at least twice a week, and she was allowed

1372
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 7: to use it while we were traveling. This wasn't the

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00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 7: first time Sharon did this. Jay had asked her multiple

1374
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 7: times before to take care of his dog, even for

1375
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 7: several days, and it had always gone well. Jay's sister

1376
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 7: has a spare key to his front door for emergencies.

1377
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 7: She lives five minutes away and her children go to

1378
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 7: school on the same street where Jay lives. We left

1379
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 7: on Sunday afternoon and Sharon was supposed to arrive late

1380
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 7: that afternoon. The dog is always let free in the

1381
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 7: house when no one is home, but he can't go

1382
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 7: outside on supervised because the yard isn't fenced by the way.

1383
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 7: The dog is a fluffy two year old husky who

1384
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 7: has a lot to say. Sometimes it happens that he

1385
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 7: doesn't get to go outside for up to fourteen hours,

1386
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 7: but he has never had an accident indoors, even when

1387
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 7: left alone for so long. On Wednesday morning, Jay's sister

1388
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 7: dropped off her kids at school. She had the day

1389
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 7: off and thought it would be nice to take the

1390
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 7: dog for a good walk. She rang the doorbell first

1391
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 7: est in case Sharon was home, because she didn't want

1392
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 7: to be rude, But no one answered, so she used

1393
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 7: her key to enter the house, and what she saw

1394
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 7: was the last thing she expected. No trigger warning. This

1395
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 7: dog was left unattended for sure. The dog was waiting

1396
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 7: at the door because of course he had heard the doorbell.

1397
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 7: He wagged his tail, super happy to see someone, but

1398
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 7: she immediately noticed that something was wrong. He wasn't his

1399
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 7: usual enthusiastic self. He looked tired and unkempt, and was

1400
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 7: unsteady on his feet. Living room, at least twelve out

1401
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 7: of fourteen flower pots had been knocked over, and most

1402
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 7: of the plants had been partially eaten. There was also

1403
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 7: trash on the floor and on the couch and the

1404
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 7: kitschen in The garbage bin had been knocked over and

1405
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 7: its contents were everywhere. Things had also fallen off of

1406
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 7: the counter. The dog's food bowl was empty. In the bathroom,

1407
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 7: there were socks with holes bitten into them. It was

1408
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 7: all very strange because normally he never touches anything. The

1409
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 7: dog's water bowl was also on the floor, even though

1410
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 7: it's usually kept in the kitchen. When she picked it up,

1411
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 7: the dog started jumping up and down enthusiastically. She quickly

1412
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 7: refilled it, and he drank the entire bowl in one go. Jail,

1413
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 7: Oh my god, jail for Sharon.

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01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, jail.

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01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh. That is crazy. That's crazy.

1416
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: My dog's never get excited when I fill up the

1417
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: water bowl unless they're like really thirsty. And then it's

1418
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 4: only been like a couple days. How long has it been.

1419
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 4: How long has this this person been watching?

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01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: Yay?

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01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that dog.

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01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 7: She thought to check upstairs as well, and it was

1423
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 7: a complete disaster there too. The dog had relieved himself

1424
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 7: multiple times and several things had been chewed up. She

1425
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 7: immediately let the dog outside, which was clearly very necessary.

1426
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 7: Jason's called us right away to inform us about everything.

1427
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 7: We didn't see this coming. We were angry and disappointed.

1428
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 7: We also asked her to check if the electric scooter

1429
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 7: was still there, but it was nowhere to be found.

1430
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 7: Oh so she rolled up, took the scooter, and abandoned

1431
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 7: the dog. So this is when I'd actually immediately called

1432
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 7: the police and be like, I think this woman stole

1433
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 7: my scooter.

1434
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she literally stole from me.

1435
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: I wonder because isn't there things that you can like

1436
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: can't you can't you take some sort of legal action

1437
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: against like neglect of a like animaliba.

1438
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 7: I don't know if you could set like there were

1439
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 7: to probably have to be like a contract of some kind,

1440
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 7: Like it would have to be like you, you'd have

1441
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 7: to be able to, like clearly prove that it was

1442
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 7: Sharon's responsibility and that she had agreed to be there.

1443
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 7: Face's sister started cleaning up the mess and took the

1444
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 7: dog for a short walk. Meanwhile, we tried to read Sharon,

1445
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 7: but we got no response. Thankfully, Jay's sister was willing

1446
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 7: to take care of the dog so we could continue

1447
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 7: our trip with peace of mind, knowing the dog was

1448
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 7: now in good hands. For the rest of our trip,

1449
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 7: we still got no response from Sharon. His sister also

1450
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 7: didn't think Sharon had entered the house at any point

1451
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 7: during this time. The day before we were supposed to

1452
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 7: return home, Jay sent Sharon another message telling her to

1453
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 7: make sure she returned the electric scooter. He really needed

1454
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 7: it for an important appointment that he couldn't miss, and

1455
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 7: again no response. When we got home, the dog was

1456
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 7: of course very happy to see us, and we felt

1457
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 7: the same. Unfortunately, the scooter was still nowhere to be found.

1458
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 7: We sent Sharon another message, but again no response.

1459
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: Substances, what are we doing? Like secret? Like is this

1460
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: in a gin?

1461
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 7: Like what did she like steal the scooter and pawn

1462
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 7: it for like money? Like what's going on here? Why

1463
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 7: did she fall off the face of the earth?

1464
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, she just ghost? She turned into a ghost.

1465
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 7: And days later Jay woke up, went downstairs and found

1466
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 7: the electric scooter standing in the living room.

1467
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: The house keys we had given to Sharon were on

1468
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: the table.

1469
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 7: That's so ominous. What however, that's not all. Later that day,

1470
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 7: when Jay tried to use the scooter, he noticed that

1471
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 7: the front wheel was stuck and he could no longer

1472
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 7: be charged.

1473
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 6: That's the only reason they got it back.

1474
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would have called the police.

1475
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1476
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 7: I would have been like, this woman stole my scooter?

1477
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? You like you basically like you

1478
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 7: could have killed my dog?

1479
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would go full scorched earth against this woman.

1480
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: Lookin scooter.

1481
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 7: Still not a single word from Sharon. The following week,

1482
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 7: Jay also realized that his bird spikes were missing from

1483
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 7: the cupboard, new ones worth around three hundred yuros.

1484
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: What the heck are bird spikes?

1485
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 7: A mysterious object was missing from the cupboard dence October

1486
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four. There has been no contact with Sharon

1487
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 7: until yesterday. Till yesterday, I had to drop off two

1488
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 7: garden chairs at Jay's place with my car. Suddenly, he said,

1489
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 7: as if it was the most normal thing in the world.

1490
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: I sent a message to Sharon.

1491
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 4: Me.

1492
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: Huh, what did you just say?

1493
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 7: Jay said, I sent a message to Sharon. You sent

1494
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 7: a message to Sharon. Uh, yeah, I just wanted to

1495
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 7: see if she would reply. And yeah, she said the

1496
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 7: renovations were finished and I should come by to see them.

1497
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 7: I'm going over this evening when she's home from work.

1498
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 4: What like nothing, okay, like literally nothing happened, not even

1499
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 4: going to dress anything that just happened.

1500
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 6: Just like, Hey, I you should come check out the place.

1501
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 6: All the renovations are done.

1502
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 7: You should be like, yeah, come check it out after

1503
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 7: you tell me why you abandoned my dog and stole

1504
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 7: my scooter.

1505
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1506
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 4: I think if I was If I was op, i'd

1507
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 4: just be like, Okay, so when are you going over?

1508
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 6: Because I am too. I'm coming with you. I'm coming

1509
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 6: with you.

1510
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 7: Yo, So when are we coming?

1511
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1512
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 6: Where are I'm going to talk to this girl?

1513
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: Wait?

1514
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 7: He said, It was as if nothing had ever happened,

1515
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 7: and I had no idea how to respond. I was

1516
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 7: so surprised, shocked, and confused. I said goodbye and went home.

1517
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 7: I didn't hear anything else from him that evening, and

1518
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 7: I also didn't reach out. I barely slept that night,

1519
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 7: constantly wondering why he would contact her himself, someone who

1520
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 7: treated us, but especially him so badly, and then act

1521
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 7: like nothing ever happened. I don't get it, and it's

1522
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 7: driving me crazy. Now, so really quickly, this is a

1523
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 7: situation where you don't let that one simmer overnight. Like

1524
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 7: Angie said, it's like you just immediately go cool. I'm

1525
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 7: going too, because I'm gonna confront her about what she

1526
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 7: did to us and our dog.

1527
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and if if you think that he might like

1528
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 4: not like that idea bringing up calmly at first?

1529
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting.

1530
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 6: So when do you think you're gonna go over?

1531
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1532
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when do you think you're gonna over?

1533
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 6: No, I'll probably go on the stage. Okay cool?

1534
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think I can make it that day too.

1535
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 6: I'll go with you yeah, let the day roll around

1536
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 6: and be like, all right, I'm ready. I'm ready to go.

1537
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready.

1538
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 6: You're already in the car, just waiting until he gets

1539
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 6: in to go over there.

1540
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna drive separate. I'm gonna go first sent

1541
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 7: me a message to wish me a good day and

1542
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 7: ask how I was doing. This is something we do daily,

1543
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 7: but I didn't respond, as I have my own business

1544
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 7: and sometimes can't reply until the evening, so that wasn't unusual.

1545
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 7: Once I got home, I messaged him asking why he

1546
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 7: had reached out to Sharon himself. His reply is, I

1547
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 7: was wondering if she would reply. It was an impulse,

1548
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 7: seems reasonable enough. When I asked if he had thought

1549
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 7: about what would happen if she actually answered, he said no.

1550
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 7: Then I asked why on earth he went to visit her.

1551
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 7: His answer was, I was curious to see her finished house.

1552
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 6: Well guess what som so me, angie, not even me

1553
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 6: a opie.

1554
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm I'm curious. I want to see it.

1555
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 7: I want to see what kind of house this person has,

1556
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 7: and then I want to like unleash ten thousand ladybugs

1557
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 7: into it. Then she even came back to his house

1558
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 7: afterwards because she wanted to see the dog again. Side note,

1559
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 7: I am one hundred percent sure they are not having

1560
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 7: an affair. They lived together for a year due to

1561
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 7: financial reasons, and there have never been any romantic feelings

1562
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 7: on either side. When I asked what she had to

1563
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 7: say about the dog and the scooter, he replied, and

1564
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 7: I kid you not.

1565
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, I completely forgot you.

1566
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Scott, you forgot about the jog, almost almost

1567
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 4: passing away because of neglect.

1568
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about, dude, what

1569
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: you're talking about?

1570
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 7: You forget?

1571
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

1572
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 7: He's probably just like, oh, oh, I just didn't want

1573
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 7: to be confrontational.

1574
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 6: Figure it out. I do I want to be confrontational. Yeah,

1575
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 6: let me do it.

1576
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 7: Then not only did he completely forget, but Sharon didn't

1577
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 7: bring it up either. How convenient. By the way, you

1578
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 7: can listen conveniently to full episodes with stories like this

1579
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,720
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1580
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,000
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1581
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 7: fifty two wonderful little days full of stories that you

1582
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 7: listen to.

1583
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 6: Not quite little, they're quite full.

1584
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 7: Days twelve hundred and fifty hours and we do have

1585
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 7: a little bit more story loft, but uh so what

1586
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 7: are we doing here? Like he's like, oh no, I

1587
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 7: didn't bring it up, and she also didn't bring it up.

1588
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 7: I just wanted to see the renovations on her house.

1589
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, not only did I bring it up, but I

1590
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,440
Speaker 6: have forgot. I forgot that that happened.

1591
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 7: Like like where are we? Where are we at? Like

1592
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 7: are we are we being? Like do you need to

1593
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 7: be honest with me? Or like I'm leaving? Or like

1594
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 7: I separate? Like or split we're splitting it off? Because

1595
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 7: it's like this, It's absurd to me that you could

1596
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 7: just like blank that out.

1597
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: Of your head.

1598
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 7: It would be out there, something's going on out of there.

1599
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: My dog literally almost passed away and tore up the

1600
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 4: house because it was so desperate for food and water.

1601
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: And you're just gonna forget about that?

1602
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then like take thek and just say nothing,

1603
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 7: say nothing, say nothing ghost us. I need reasoning. I

1604
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 7: need reasoning, Like right now I have no words for this,

1605
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 7: at least none that I won't regret later.

1606
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: What is going on here?

1607
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 7: Why did he reach out to her himself to see

1608
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 7: if she would reply, what kind of explanation is that

1609
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 7: she lied, stole and nearly this dog, thank God for

1610
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 7: his sister right, and completely abandoned us and he's just

1611
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 7: acting like nothing happened. Am I supposed to do the same?

1612
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 7: Can anyone offer any insights? Because I can feel completely

1613
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 7: lost right now and we have some comments. Let's go

1614
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 7: comment one. Let him have whatever relationship he wants with her.

1615
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 7: I would be cold and distant with her. If you

1616
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 7: helped clean up her mass, I would not be inviting.

1617
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 7: I would leave if she was around. He can do

1618
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 7: as he pleases. But it is very strange that he

1619
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 7: would be okay with losing everything to her and he

1620
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 7: just lets her do it. She got the extra money

1621
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 7: from the item she stole, which probably helped her finish

1622
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 7: her repairs. There is something else going on with them,

1623
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 7: and don't be fooled. I would not be around the

1624
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 7: person that would do that to a friend. I would

1625
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 7: never trust her again, and she has it in her

1626
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 7: nature to use in her friends. She would be out

1627
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 7: with me period. Opie says, I do not want to

1628
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 7: see her, and I will not go to Jay's house

1629
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 7: if I know she is there, I will not see her.

1630
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: In his house.

1631
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 7: I will not see her with a mouse. I will

1632
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 7: not see her over here. I will not see her

1633
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 7: over there. I will not be able to keep my

1634
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 7: mouth shut. I don't want people like her in my life.

1635
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 7: And he knows this, and still he contacted her.

1636
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's the end.

1637
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 7: Of the story.

1638
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 4: Wow, wow, easysion ever bye bye, Get out of there,

1639
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 4: Get out of there, tell him off.

1640
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 6: Get all this trash.

1641
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 4: What I would love to do if she, if she

1642
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 4: like did go over there with with him, to like

1643
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: check out the new place.

1644
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 6: Get all the trash. I mean it's probably thrown away already,

1645
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 6: but get all the trash.

1646
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 4: Said that the dog you know, left out all the plot,

1647
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 4: the plant pots that were broken.

1648
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 7: And over trash and the socks.

1649
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 6: Dump it all over the place.

1650
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 7: There's a great place you guys got in here, love

1651
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 7: so glad you just finished it holding another big bag

1652
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 7: of trash. Can you show me to the bedroom? Yeah?

1653
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, put all of the because also the dog you

1654
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 4: know went to the bathroom. Get all that, get all that,

1655
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 4: swing all there.

1656
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 7: I just cannot I cannot fathom banging with him after that,

1657
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 7: Like I'd have to tell him. I'd be like, oh,

1658
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 7: we're breaking up, And it's because I don't think I

1659
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,919
Speaker 7: can like respect you anymore.

1660
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 6: First and cheating, I would say I.

1661
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 7: Have more respect for you if you cheated on me

1662
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 7: than if you did this, like for real, like I

1663
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 7: don't even like man, that's not me condonting cheating. That's

1664
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 7: just me being like the person who almost like your

1665
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 7: dog and then like abandoned you and like really like

1666
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 7: was tote like I don't know you just like forgot

1667
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 7: and you're just like, yo, can I see the finished

1668
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 7: version of your house?

1669
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 2: It's like who who are you?

1670
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1671
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: That's crazy? You really remember, dude.

1672
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 6: Crazy people