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Speaker 1: Wait tail as up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamage

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Speaker 2: the guy. We are to Breakfast Club and we got

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Speaker 2: a special guest in the building, the legendary Jasmine Guy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I felt great.

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Speaker 4: I love doing your show the last time, and I

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Speaker 4: got a lot of positive feedback.

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Speaker 1: I love you come on.

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Speaker 4: It was a different kind of interview though than they

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Speaker 4: used to. My daddy was like, you were a little

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Speaker 4: too comfortable. You act like they were at your house. Champagne, right, yes,

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Speaker 4: champagne whatever that was.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even like it, and I was drinking that.

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Speaker 4: But my father said that you would put more in

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Speaker 4: when I was looking at Kadeen.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 4: He said, whenever you looked at Kadeen before, more in there.

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Speaker 4: So I'm I'm thinking, I'm just drinking one glass probably,

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Speaker 4: but I'm drinking anywhere.

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Speaker 3: It's something in the morning. Embarrassing, is that you talk

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Speaker 3: you just back there just laughing.

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Speaker 4: No, No, it was good because you ask questions that

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Speaker 4: people don't usually ask. You know, we get the same

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Speaker 4: questions over and over, especially about a different world, and

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Speaker 4: I just like that it went into other areas of

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Speaker 4: my life and my career and his too, because anybody

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Speaker 4: can look at any interviews we've done and get those answers.

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Speaker 3: It's the same answer, you know what I mean? So

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Speaker 3: can we talk about something else?

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Speaker 4: You know, we bring it to another element that hasn't

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Speaker 4: been explored with us.

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Speaker 1: And you've done so much more since since.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, like right now you want your first yearlations.

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Speaker 3: She went for the Chronicles of Jessica Woos. Yes, that

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Speaker 3: was a trip.

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Speaker 4: So I was going to Mexico to hang out with

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Speaker 4: my girlfriends and I land and I get all these

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Speaker 4: checks from people saying congratulation on your Emmy nomination, and

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Speaker 4: I really thought people would messing with me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even call them back. I said whatever.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't even And then when I realized I really

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Speaker 4: had been nominated, I thought it was for the show Harlem. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: Chronicles of Jessica Woo I had done. It was before COVID.

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Speaker 4: It was a long time ago and I only worked

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Speaker 4: on it for a day. It was a very interesting

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Speaker 4: project to me because the production company was a couple,

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Speaker 4: a small black production company. The superhero in the in

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Speaker 4: the p had autism, but her powers that whatever put

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Speaker 4: her on the spectrum made her a superhero. Their daughter

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Speaker 4: had an autistic child anyway, So I said, well, I'll

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Speaker 4: do it because I know after this they're going to

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Speaker 4: need distribution.

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Speaker 3: And who knew that's what you know.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, my love for them and what I

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Speaker 4: know about you know, pitching ideas. You're gonna need a name.

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Speaker 4: I know, I've heard it all. And I said, well,

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Speaker 4: I'll be your name. This is gonna be good. And

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Speaker 4: it was a short series, like a wepisode series. The

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Speaker 4: other Oscar nomination I got was also from an independent

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Speaker 4: black company and it was my nephew Emmett, and I

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Speaker 4: played em matills aren't on the night that he was

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Speaker 4: taken from their home, and I was like, oh shit,

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Speaker 4: I do not want to go to Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: We stayed right down the street from where he got abducted.

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Speaker 1: Missippi still got that same energy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I was gonna stay. I felt ghosts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you know, And I did it and they got

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Speaker 4: nominated for an Oscar night when the director called me.

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Speaker 4: He was a graduate student from NYU Film School. His

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Speaker 4: mentors with Spike Lee and Casey Lemmon's right, beautiful brother,

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Speaker 4: and the and the crew and everybody.

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Speaker 3: I had a great artistic experience.

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Speaker 4: But when he told me we, you know, we got

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Speaker 4: nominated for an Oscar, I thought he was messing with me.

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Speaker 5: That's not a lot though, Like about how you know,

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Speaker 5: I guess black actors and actresses are conditioned in Hollywood

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Speaker 5: that when they get told that they're even nominated, they

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Speaker 4: Well, when you ignored long enough, you got the message.

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Speaker 4: I got the message. If you're not nominating a differ world,

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Speaker 4: Debbie Allen, Susan fails our wardrobe department, any other actor

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Speaker 4: on that show. I stopped focusing on y'all giving me

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Speaker 3: I know who gives me my props.

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Speaker 4: And I told the actors, I said, we just gotta

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Speaker 4: They obviously do you know how many times they said

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Speaker 4: to me, even on I think I did. Dennis Miller,

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Speaker 4: remember Dennis Randa a talk show. He started with, so

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Speaker 4: how does it feel being between number one and three?

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Speaker 3: And I was stunned because I just sat down.

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Speaker 4: You know, you come out all cute and whatever, and

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Speaker 4: I was like he said, that wasn't a good leader

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Speaker 4: in question, I said, no, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about cognye and cheers.

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Speaker 4: Everybody said we were number two because we came between them, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And that was the first question. That was the message.

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Speaker 4: That was the message that we got this actors as

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Speaker 4: you know, performers, and we never got our props for

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Speaker 4: not not just the acting, but it was Debbie Allen,

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Speaker 4: Susan fails me.

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Speaker 3: Three black women in charge of that show. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? We could have been on the.

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Speaker 4: Cover of Essence, and I just knew who really saw

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Speaker 4: us and who really understood us.

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Speaker 1: Why was that work for?

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Speaker 4: That's the same white motherfuckers.

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Speaker 1: Old up to day.

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Speaker 3: You came to the right shows. You can't say that word, so.

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Speaker 2: You can go back here the same white motherfuckers make

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Speaker 2: sure you forget just.

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Speaker 3: The same world. Just look.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Carcy Warner, our producers also produced a show

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Speaker 4: with Whoopy Goldberg called Bag That Cafe Grace under Fire

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Speaker 4: in the Roseanne Show and the cos of the show, right,

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Speaker 4: so we're one of five.

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Speaker 3: They never asked us to do anything.

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Speaker 4: They asked Roseanne Barr to sing the national anthem in

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Speaker 4: which she grabbed her crotch because she can't sing. But

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Speaker 4: we got five singers on our show that you could

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Speaker 4: have had, don me kree. You know, never when we

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Speaker 4: got offered.

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Speaker 3: Things that would have I don't know. I just got things.

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Speaker 4: We got things on our own, and I never felt

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Speaker 4: helped us. It would have helped us with work after

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Speaker 4: the show. It would have given us some props, you

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Speaker 3: I pitched a lot.

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Speaker 4: I have my own production company after a Different World.

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Speaker 4: All of my projects were rejected, but then I started

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Speaker 3: Them that was wow, which ones yeah that.

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Speaker 4: I had a TV idea about a young woman that

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Speaker 4: inherited a sweatshop in the garment district from her gay

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Speaker 4: him as a ghost.

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Speaker 3: I had even talked to Rue Paul about being my ghost.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: They was just everything was a reason not to do it.

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Speaker 4: But then I would see a white girl do it.

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Speaker 4: Then I had this idea about what was the name

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Speaker 4: of that spy show? It was a French movie, Independent movie,

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Speaker 4: and oh, okay, So I thought this would be fierce

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Speaker 4: well Robin Gibvens. So I wrote up a treatment for

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Speaker 4: a pilot version of it. No Robin Gibvens, but a

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Speaker 4: I know my ideas are valid, but I just started

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Speaker 4: divorcing myself like a bad relationship.

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Speaker 3: Stop asking for what you know you're not gonna get.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a parking space like Don Johnson after

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Speaker 4: Miami Vice.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was the star of the number two

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Speaker 5: Producer on it too, right, no o oh, thoughts you

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Speaker 5: reduce on it? No, but even even still, a star

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Speaker 3: I had a parking spot, but he had a production deals.

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Speaker 4: When I'm saying after he did Miami Vice, he had

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just thought that we were we were ready and

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Speaker 4: that I had were not being done. The Dorothy Dandrews story.

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Speaker 4: I pitched that for years. I had to educate first,

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Speaker 4: who's the earthy dying dright? I told him it wasn't condescending.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't want to say the black Marilyn Monroe

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Speaker 4: when I'm pitching. And the movie got done. It just

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean. It's like a bad relationship.

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Speaker 4: After a while, you gotta understand, Okay, I ain't what

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Speaker 6: This is, and this is and so is all of

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Speaker 6: this and other things. I'm sure as what leads up

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Speaker 6: to Uncensored. Jasmae God Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'm still like.

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Speaker 4: I did uncensored because I did Intimate Portrait on lifetime.

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Speaker 4: I did Unsung, but they were in different decades of

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Speaker 4: my life. I mean, Intimate Portrait must have been in

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Speaker 4: And I said, I may have a different perspective on

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Speaker 4: my truth. Same things happen, but I feel differently about them.

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Speaker 4: I have a different perspective, and I'm not. I'm trying

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Speaker 4: not to be so precious about my private life because

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Speaker 4: I really do this. When people get like, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's that's mine. I feel like I do enough with

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Speaker 4: need to know who I'm sleeping with their business, don't.

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Speaker 3: Need to be in the street.

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Speaker 2: You from that era, though, Like that era was you

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Speaker 2: didn't really see your favorite celebrity, favorite actress, favorite actor,

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Speaker 2: and when you did, everybody went bashit crazy because you

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Speaker 2: never did. Like our favorite celebrities growing up as kid,

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Speaker 2: they went to eat, we didn't know where they lived,

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Speaker 2: We didn't know any of that. And that was part

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Speaker 2: of the mystique of them being a superstar, real celebrity.

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Speaker 3: But it's also private.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like I didn't understand why celebrities were

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Speaker 4: saying private things. When nobody even asked you that.

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Speaker 3: You'll make you talk.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, why are you nobody asked? Nowadays, I so

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Speaker 4: with the oh, and I also get an Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've had an account, but.

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Speaker 4: My makeup artist said when he went on my social

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Speaker 4: media that it was vented.

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Speaker 4: I said, I don't know what to post. I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was saying, I see you and you helped

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Speaker 3: And you don't know you're doing all that when you're

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Speaker 4: And I thought when we did, you know, because when

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Speaker 1: I really feel that way.

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Speaker 5: Went from great scripted shows and people had jobs and

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Speaker 4: Wait, they don't have to pay nobody until you make

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Speaker 4: So the writers on a series, they're given enough four

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Speaker 4: I don't know, And I don't know why they're doing

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Speaker 3: And let Tracy Oliver do what she do.

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Speaker 2: I had so much influence, you know, Jamaine dup previous

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Speaker 4: No, I was in that la during that time, but

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Speaker 2: They said that actually Different World made Freaknick even bigger.

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Speaker 1: Watching Different World. It was like, we're going down to

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Speaker 5: You find a sense of vindication in this award at

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Speaker 3: No, you know what I felt.

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Speaker 4: I was really surprised at how happy I was when

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Speaker 4: And I say Atlanta because when I got to New York,

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Speaker 4: And then and I also knew that even though I

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Speaker 3: It's for what nobody you know.

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Speaker 5: Got back then you dedicated your award to a different word.

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is ours because I know what

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Speaker 3: Because they know what that does.

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Speaker 4: It gives you power in the Hollywood system. We're not

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Speaker 4: And the writing was awesome on the Different World because

446
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 4: they're doing deep subjects, and hey, I have to keep

447
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: us funny because the network wanted us funny. They said, well,

448
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: if we're gonna do this age show, how are we

449
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: gonna make it funny? Well, maybe Whitley's gonna lose her

450
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: virginity during what's the B line?

451
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: That's gonna not make it so heavy?

452
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 4: You know, they have to do that for everything the

453
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 4: Riot show that they have to still mix in the humor.

454
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 4: And I think we did that well and that Susan

455
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: fails Hill. I'm so proud of lean Away and Easta

456
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: Ray to see them as showrunners and starring and.

457
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: This and that.

458
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, Oh, they are fierce, and I hope they

459
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: get their props.

460
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 5: But I wonder, how do you think this recognition of

461
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 5: the award contributes to the broader conversation about diversity and

462
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: representation in Hollywood, especially for like O G veteran actresses

463
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 5: like yourself who've made significant contribution old a decade.

464
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so what like.

465
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: What did this do? Like?

466
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: The award has to do something being that jaminer, I

467
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 5: can still be so good at this stage in her

468
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: career that she's still Oh.

469
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: Yes, it does feel validating. And I even said when

470
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: I accepted the award, you know, thank you for keeping

471
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 4: me in this community, because the creative community is my world,

472
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: whether it's in the New York or LA or Atlanta.

473
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 4: You know, valup my people, and you know, with the

474
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 4: pandemic and then six seven months on strike, I'm like,

475
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 4: I need to work.

476
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: I need to be with my people.

477
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: You know, I need other creatives. I need stories at lunchtime.

478
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: And that goes for everybody that goes for him makeup, wardrobe.

479
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: Everybody is expressing themselves and there's a spiritual connection to that.

480
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: So I did feel that way.

481
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: But it has been good to see my peers like

482
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: Regina King, Victoria Mahony, Sally richardson the Girls that I

483
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: was like acting with doing, like directing and killing it

484
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: like that, and Tasha.

485
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 3: Smith directed the last episode. I did a Harlem her

486
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: that's a nature of nature.

487
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: As my girl, we needed it. It was a very

488
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: long day. It was a long shooting day, and her

489
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: energy was and what I was so impressed with was

490
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: her technical acumen. She really knew her cameras, you really

491
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: knew what she wanted. She had to map out a

492
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: ten page scene, which is very long for you know,

493
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: anything for movie or TV scene.

494
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: And I don't know, she just did a beautiful job.

495
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: It was the only episode I've done on that show

496
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: where I saw other people, because all my episodes that

497
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: were Gray Spyers. She's my daughter, well i'm her mother,

498
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: I should say she's and everybody was there at this event,

499
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: so I got to see Debby Smith was there, Whoopee

500
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: was there.

501
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what was exciting. I was kind of

502
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 3: fanned out too. Yeah, it's amazing.

503
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I've seen a clip that was released from You Uncensored

504
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: and it talks about being a mixed child. Was that

505
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: very difficult in the industry going at that time where

506
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: you're going up for auditions and people are saying, well,

507
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: she's not white or and then well maybe she's not

508
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: black enough.

509
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Was that difficult?

510
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: Well?

511
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: I always defined myself as black, but I didn't get

512
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: roles because I was too light sometimes or I got

513
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: like the my first after I left Alvin Ailey, I

514
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: did musical theater, Broadway and whatnot, and then I started

515
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: taking acting classes and going out for auditions, and I

516
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: played three hoes before I go with Ley. I'm just saying,

517
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: I asked my agent. I was like, is this normal? Yes,

518
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I played a prostitute on the Equalizer. I played a

519
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: hoe on Loving, which was a soap opera back then,

520
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: and then on my third when I said, okay, is

521
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: this and I was nailing them whatever it is about

522
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: ship before I got back to my former I was like, okay.

523
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: But.

524
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: You into to be able to like really play a hope.

525
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: The way they write it.

526
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: They usually write I usually do sarcasm well, and they're

527
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: usually snarky.

528
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: You know. Now the other activities the.

529
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: I mean on the Equalizer, I was the whole that

530
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: they bought for.

531
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: The guy that just came out of prison.

532
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god, this scene was nasty, and I'm like surprised,

533
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: and I come out and I'm supposed to do him

534
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: because he's just been in prison. And then in the

535
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: scene he starts coughing and I say, you catch something

536
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: nasty where you've been and he grasps me by the

537
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: hair and slams me.

538
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: Trauma.

539
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: I got a little too snarky. But the thing I

540
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: didn't know that that should have been blocked.

541
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: I didn't. It was one of my first acting jobs.

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: So because I'm a dancer, I was able to go,

543
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: you know, slam myself down. All you have to do is,

544
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: you know, and make it look like he was just

545
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: and then fall. And I did it over and over

546
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: and the director was like, are you okay. It wasn't

547
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: until after that I talked to some of my actress

548
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: friends and they were.

549
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: Like, nobody blocked you. Nobody. I said no, it was

550
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: just like a you know, a dance move or whatever.

551
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: But yeah.

552
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: Then when I auditioned for Whitley, first of all, they

553
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: didn't even have her name yet. It was Sydney slash Whitney,

554
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: a black Southern bell. I'm might things that make you

555
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: go a black Southern bell, you don't know say Anyway,

556
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: she was.

557
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 3: Hitting on her professor for the a in the scene

558
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: another horrorle. We're ruffles.

559
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 4: But when I got on the set, now she's a

560
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: virgin and she doesn't know what's going on.

561
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: It's just interesting because.

562
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: You play things based on who they tell you you're

563
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: supposed to be, and then as actors we often do

564
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: backstories and you know, make up something that got us

565
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: to this point. So we have something to lean on.

566
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was thinking, Wow, I guess I'm just

567
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: gonna be. It wasn't that I was playing a horror prostitute.

568
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: It was just that I wanted to play all kinds

569
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: of characters.

570
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always wanted that.

571
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: YE got to ask a question, This is a personal question.

572
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: When you started off dancing as a child, right, did

573
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: you know what direction you wanted to go into? So

574
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: I got two girls that dance, right, and then I

575
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: travel all over the country day dance with these these

576
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: little babies, and I mean they are amazing. One one

577
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: first prize overall seven year old. Oh, one thousand girls,

578
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: first prize. But yeah, they get busy. They take it serious.

579
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: Six days a week, four hours a day, gymnastics, flipping,

580
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: backflip dancing.

581
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Whoa, it's a lot.

582
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: But I've learned to love it, like really enjoy it.

583
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: But you know, as a dad, I always think like, well,

584
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: what's next after dancing? Like what do you do as

585
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: a dance Like when you get to high school and college?

586
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: Like what happens from that? Did you know what you

587
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: wanted to do going into alvin ALEI?

588
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: And Okay, So when I was a little kid, I thought.

589
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: I just kept asking for more classes, like once a week.

590
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 4: Saturday turned into three turned into five, you know. And

591
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: when I saw Alvin Ale and I saw revelations, I

592
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: realized that I could do this as a job. I

593
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: didn't realize that you could dance as a job other

594
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: than be a dance teacher.

595
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: That's all I was seeing.

596
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: And I I told my daddy, I said, I think

597
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: I have my calling.

598
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: I want to dance with Alvin Ailey.

599
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 4: So from twelve to seventeen, that was the trajectory, kind

600
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: of on the level where you are with your girls,

601
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 4: because I danced every day. After that, I went to

602
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: perform in arts high school, I joined Atlanta Ballet. I

603
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: went to North Carolina School of the Arts over the

604
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: summer because I knew that I was not technically proficient

605
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: enough to get into the Aley company, but I was

606
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: also performing. I played Anita in West Side Story and

607
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: I was young. I was like thirteen, and I could

608
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: already act and I could sing. But it was that

609
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: because you know, you can't fake dancing. You could either

610
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: dance or you can't. I mean, it's an athletic, you know.

611
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: So that's when I knew, do they want to do

612
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: it as a profession.

613
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: They don't know right now. One is seven, one is ten,

614
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: and they just enjoy it and they want more. And

615
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: it's not just ballet, it's not just open for and mad.

616
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: It's just it's everything. It's it's jazz, it's it's tap,

617
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: it's now they just started getting in their hip hop.

618
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: But for me, it's like I enjoy it because I

619
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: know where they are right. I know they're not gonna

620
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: want to go to their friend's house. I know they're

621
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: not gonna want to go to the mall because they

622
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: enjoyed so much.

623
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: School's over at two forty.

624
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: From three to seven, they dancing, seven, they come home,

625
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: do homework, They tired, and I enjoy it because I

626
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: like watching them like I'm the There's not too many

627
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: dads out there for some reason, but I'm the one

628
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: that's I know the routine and I'm spinning with them

629
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: because I if they enjoy it, I enjoy it. But

630
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: it's I feel like more people, more kids should get

631
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: into it because.

632
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a great art. Yeah, it's

633
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: a great art.

634
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: And they gave me my foundation for everything, discipline, being

635
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: on time, confidence, like even when I got a different world.

636
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: I remember one of our our scripts, she came up

637
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: to me and she said, are you a dancer?

638
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: And I was just standing there and I was like, yeah,

639
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: Like what gave me away? What?

640
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: I was always on time? I was always there waiting

641
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: for everybody else. I did not understand the way they

642
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: did it and all the breaks they take. I'm like,

643
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: what are we breaking for? We ain't done nothing right.

644
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: Dancers are the mules of the business.

645
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

646
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 4: If the actors are coming out every now and then,

647
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: if we like when I did Fame, we were in

648
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: rehearsal or performing all day ten hours, actors going to

649
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: trailers are coming back. When we did School Days, you

650
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 4: couldn't be in that movie if you couldn't dance, sing

651
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: an act first of all. But that meant we all

652
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: came from theater we shot, we filmed the Uh well,

653
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: I mean we recorded the song on want to Be

654
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: Alone tonight after we filmed that day, and then they said, okay,

655
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: now you're going to the studio, and we went and

656
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: we learned the song and did it, and then we

657
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: learned the choreography and performed it. But that's how we do,

658
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: especially in New York and especially in theater. All my

659
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: dancing friends can sing and act. All my acting friends

660
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: can dance to sing. We had to be triple threats

661
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: to continue to work. You think them divers from Dreamgirls, Loretta, Divine, Shirley, Ralph, Jennifer.

662
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: Lewis you built for it? You know?

663
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: So when we go out there, we're not even asked

664
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: to work at our full potential, you know what I mean.

665
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: And your babies are gonna be like that too, and

666
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: whatever they do, because that kind of training is like

667
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: an athlete.

668
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 5: I want to talk about another training you've probably got.

669
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: You know, you carry yourself with a certain sense of legalness,

670
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: right and when you look at Debbie Allen, when you

671
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 5: look at fore Lisha Rashad, they have that same regal energy.

672
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: What did those two teach you?

673
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, everything, I mean, Debbie was ahead of me.

674
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: So every time people told me, well, you're mostly a dancer,

675
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: we don't know about you acting, or you're a comic actress,

676
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 4: we don't know about you doing drama, in my mind,

677
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: I go Debbie dead. I just let them tell me

678
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: what they thought I couldn't do. And it wasn't just

679
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: that I knew I could. She's already done it.

680
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: She just did it.

681
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: She had two lines in the Fame movie when you

682
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: see her next she's directing, choreographing the show she's producing.

683
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: You can't let other people tell you what you can do.

684
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: You don't know.

685
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: And the other mantra had, especially like when people were

686
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: certain choreographers.

687
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's not a nice world, the dance world.

688
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: So they're reading me or cussing me out, whatever, And

689
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 4: I would say, you don't know, you're not God all

690
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: I in my mind, So I wouldn't cry because I

691
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: was like, don't you know, don't you stand up here

692
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: and let him make you cry, because he's saying, you know,

693
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: you think you're something, you'll never be anything.

694
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: And I was like, you don't know, you're not God,

695
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: that's right. How you gonna proclaim my destiny? You know?

696
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: So you have to be able to talk to yourself.

697
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: And Debbie is the same way, Felicia is the same way.

698
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: They have a sense of self. Because Debbie told me

699
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: about how they rejected her at North Carolina School of

700
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: the Yards because she didn't have a body for dance,

701
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: because she got a booty in whatever.

702
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: And she said and I took this booty all the

703
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: way to Broadway.

704
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: Darling. You know, okay, you don't want me in your school,

705
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 4: Well I'm gonna go to Howard and then I'm gonna

706
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: be on Broadway and then and then and then. You

707
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: can't let other people tell you what you are and

708
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: what you're not. Yeah, And I refuse that. I refuse

709
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: that on just a general level. Like there were little

710
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: dancers in my class that were great dancers, but a

711
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 4: little chunky or whatever. And I heard how the teachers

712
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: talked to them, you know, destroying them.

713
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: How dare you?

714
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: How dare you take your responsibility and do that to her?

715
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 4: You'll know what she's gonna be, and you're only gonna

716
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: go with skinny, tall people.

717
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: I just don't like that.

718
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: If you don't teach kids in art form, don't add

719
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: your bitter two cents to it because you didn't with

720
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: your fat ass.

721
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 5: That's not that's not politically correct. The political correct term

722
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: is big back.

723
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: No, it's not just do women say that or is

724
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: that a malt.

725
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: Discovered.

726
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying term ud think I'm gay he discovered.

727
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: I'm no, that baby got big bag go down right

728
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: coming from us that's.

729
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: It just comes up every now and then, and if

730
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: they don't see me with a man, like when I

731
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: was I was at an Oscar party of Georgia's and

732
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: I was dancing with Debbie and all the fame dancers

733
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: were there, like, you know, she keeps all her people.

734
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: They got me, you know photo the week me and

735
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: Debbie and they're talking about me and the hair salon.

736
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: I knew it.

737
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: I think they together, and Norm calls me he loved it.

738
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm single. I don't like that. He said, yeah,

739
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: that's some funny.

740
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: I said, funny for you because you're like, yeah, I'm

741
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 4: with Debbie and she's with Jasmine. And then it came

742
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 4: up when I was at a last you know, I

743
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: don't know what it is.

744
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: I don't care, but it's just I don't want to

745
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: have to undo it. Yeah. And then you know, in

746
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: New York it was I got hit on and stuff

747
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, but what made you think

748
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: that I like bother me?

749
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: You know, I was just developing into my womanhood.

750
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: I didn't.

751
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: And it was funk night and I would go there

752
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: by myself. Sometimes you can't always have somebody come with you.

753
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: You know, and so some sometimes I think it's because

754
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: I'm alone. And then, you know, my best friend at

755
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: a Lea's, we were walking through the park and unbeknownst

756
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 4: to us, we were walking in the.

757
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: Wooded gay area.

758
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: The valley, the jail, the okay, somebody's saw it there

759
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: and you didn't know we were in a certain area

760
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: or whatever, because I don't know. And then when I

761
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: got back to the school, they were like, you know,

762
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: they're saying that you and so and so, and I

763
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: was like, I don't even have a boyfriend.

764
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 3: How can I have a girlfriend? Okay, like I can't

765
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: even work. You know, it doesn't bother me.

766
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: But when I was younger, it did because I was

767
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: still developing.

768
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: And it was pulling up on you. I was developing

769
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: as a young woman. Yeah, would you ever do a memoir?

770
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 5: I know, I mean, you know you got done sensitly

771
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: coming out this weekend, But would you ever do a memoir?

772
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: I would need I would need some help, you know,

773
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 4: I would just need some help. I can't write it

774
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: myself by myself.

775
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, most people get help with them memoir.

776
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: Because I loved reading Jada Pinkett's book Worthy, because like,

777
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: you know, and we were saying early and you were

778
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 5: saying it was such a privacy in the nineties.

779
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: So to get those stories from that era.

780
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 5: When she talks about you and you know, poking, just

781
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 5: yourll friendship, just that friendship of black Hollywood.

782
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: It's just like man.

783
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: And now I was like.

784
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: Privileged enough to hang with them because there's so much

785
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: younger than me, you know, and it was just easy.

786
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: You know, her birthday party and we went to The Dragonfly,

787
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: which was funk night that night.

788
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: He was an, I like me some funk.

789
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: Obviously, I'm like, it's fuck Nay, you're a Dragonfly. But

790
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: and you know, accepting of me because so I think,

791
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: hold is Jada fifty?

792
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, let me look it up.

793
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: I think, well, I'm sixty two.

794
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: So when I'm on the show, I'm twenty five, twenty six,

795
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 4: twenty seven.

796
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: They eighteen nineteen. Yeah, so now it's not a big deal.

797
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: But back then, I wasn't hanging out with no you know.

798
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 4: I remember I went to a restaurant with Cree and

799
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: as we were walking to the restaurant, she said, do

800
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: they card? I said, card, I mean, I'd never I

801
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: had never been carded because eighteen, you know, I said,

802
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 4: how old are you? She said, I just turned eighteen.

803
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: I said, what the hell am I doing hanging out with?

804
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Condeemed too. I saw them as kids.

805
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: I like grown ass men when I was young, thirty

806
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: thirty two, so that you know, it's like eighteen.

807
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

808
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: But now that they have embraced me yet, I appreciate

809
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: it because they kept me current and kept me interested

810
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: because they.

811
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: Jada and Cree are out the box thinkers. You know.

812
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: They bring creative ideas to the table that I never

813
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: would have thought of.

814
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: And I love that.

815
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: And and of course you know, keeps me laughing, Park.

816
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: And I would like that too. He always had ideas.

817
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 4: I felt so unaccomplished, you know, because he would say

818
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 4: something and then do it.

819
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: I would tell him an idea.

820
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: And not write it and not finish it, or it's

821
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: still like on my shelf. Mostly I wanted him to

822
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 4: know that I felt he was a great actor. And

823
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: I heard the murmurings of, oh, he's just being himself

824
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 4: or whatever. They're just writing on his fame as a rapper.

825
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: I said, everybody that raps ain't acting on there There

826
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: were a lot of rappers that had movies that man

827
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: can act. Yeah, I mean his performances were I have

828
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: to change. And I just wanted him to know that

829
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: and not listen to that. One time in Newsweek, they

830
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 4: used to have little blurbs like Star of the Week

831
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 4: or Celebrity of the week, just a little blurb, and

832
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: they said, and surprisingly handsome rapper.

833
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: I said, what the fuck is surprise? How insulting he was?

834
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: Find of shit? It wasn't.

835
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 4: Why was that surprising? He's supposed to be ugly because

836
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: he's a rapper. I found it racist. Then when I

837
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: got to when I won one of my Image awards

838
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 4: and I go to the press tent, there were two

839
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: little white girls there and all they did was ask

840
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: me about what I felt about Tupac getting an Image award.

841
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: Now, meanwhile, I have my award, it's my.

842
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: Sixth one, and I'm not even prepared to you know

843
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: how they'd like to bring up dirt when you had

844
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 4: a bread carpet.

845
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: And I was thinking, what are y'all doing here?

846
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: This is our party, you know, and you're crashing our

847
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: party and asking me to tell some dirt about somebody

848
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: else here. So I wasn't in the most receiving way.

849
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: They kept asking me if I thought he deserved an

850
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: image of Ward and I said, well, I don't know

851
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 4: what the controversy is. Well, you know, because of Dolorus,

852
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 4: Tucker and this, that and the other, and I didn't know.

853
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: And I said, well, can you tell me which songs

854
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: you're referring to? At the time, I had only heard

855
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: Dear Mama, Brenda had a baby and keep your head up.

856
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: I honestly didn't know what the controversy was about, because

857
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: these are all uplifting female And she said, well, I

858
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 4: don't know which song.

859
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: I haven't heard the CD.

860
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 4: I said, well, why don't you do your homework and

861
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: then come to me and asked me. I was so mad,

862
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: And in the back of the house there were two

863
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 4: brothers like this. They were from Jetton Ebony, you know,

864
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: because I'm like, how dare you come to our party,

865
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 4: insult our guests and don't even know what the hell

866
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 4: you talking about?

867
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: But I'm supposed to know.

868
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: They were on the radio those three songs, and they

869
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 4: come in like they.

870
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: Well, we just are bad. We just that may hell.

871
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I was so glad. So the next

872
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 4: day I was in the LA times, I have my

873
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: ward up like this and my nostrils and I don't

874
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: know what they said, but my publicists called me and

875
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: she was like, you know, there are there are white

876
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: actresses that don't get hired because their breasts are too big.

877
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: I was like, first of all, I don't have to

878
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: run everything by you for me to speak. You know,

879
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 4: if you wanted to be.

880
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: By my side, you should have been by there. But

881
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: what was she gonna do? Interrupt me? You disrespecting us,

882
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: You disrespecting me and they and the faint.

883
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 4: He saw that article and heard that I stood up

884
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: for him, and.

885
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: She never forgot that.

886
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: And I think that's part of why she was cool

887
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: with him staying with.

888
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: Me after you got shut Yeah.

889
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: Because she didn't based on what they knew about me

890
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: and seeing me on the show, she didn't realize that.

891
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: I was like that, you know what I mean?

892
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 4: And they're very much soldiers in that. One of her

893
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: friends said, oh, you a soldier now, and I was like,

894
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, are we at war?

895
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: I didn't know what she meant.

896
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 5: By were you afraid during that time? Like when you

897
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 5: took Pokin after he got shot? Did you feel like

898
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 5: what if they come looking for him.

899
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: And yeah, there were times because of the the regularity

900
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: of my going in and out of my apartment, I

901
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 4: felt like it would be easy if I had been

902
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: on radar for anybody.

903
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: To you know, follow me or come up. And so

904
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: there was that.

905
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: And I didn't live in a secured building like a

906
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: doorman building, and I was scared of but like I

907
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: had never seen a real bullet wound, just you know

908
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: on TV like NYPD Blue and when I.

909
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: Played a badass in this movie.

910
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: But I was concerned about that, you know, actually caring

911
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: for the wounds and making sure he was gonna be okay.

912
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should have been in the.

913
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: Hospital for at least two or three more days on antibiotics.

914
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Everybody has walked out.

915
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: He signed himself out, so you had to help him

916
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: out and help meet and help him get himself back together.

917
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 4: But he when he left Bellevue, he went to his

918
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: girlfriends and he realized it was equally accessible. He just

919
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: felt like a sitting duck in the hospital. But everybody

920
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 4: knew who he was at his girlfriends. Nobody knew that

921
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: we were friends. So him coming to my apartment was

922
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 4: more diary of Frank I just put food under the bookcase.

923
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was on the down load.

924
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 4: I didn't know what kind of publicity might have come

925
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: from that, but it wasn't anything I was interested in publicizing.

926
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: So I just shut the family down.

927
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: I was like, did you tell anybody where those you knew?

928
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: You know?

929
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: Because I didn't do that for that reason.

930
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 4: It was a personal reason, and that was one of

931
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: those moments where you know, y'all don't get that, and

932
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: they they respected it all these years until the documentary,

933
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 4: they've been wanting to, I guess, thank me, but their

934
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: love and I'm part of that.

935
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: Family now has been enough.

936
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: I don't need public thanks for what I did on

937
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 4: a personal level. So it's interesting the documentary said, Okay, Jasmine,

938
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 4: you can talk about that part of it now, because

939
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: I really thought, well, just you know, I'll go to

940
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 4: my grave with certain things. Not because I'm ashamed, but

941
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: I don't like the exploitation factor of things that you

942
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 4: do in your personal life for your kids or for

943
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 4: people you love or whatever.

944
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 5: You know, it was your story, I mean, he said

945
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: in the doc Jaya talked about it in her book.

946
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a she called me and tell me

947
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: what was in the book. This is all I said.

948
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: I didn't talk about this about that.

949
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 4: And I really was calling her more for support because

950
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: when I wrote a fane's book, I didn't know all

951
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 4: the other stuff you have to do for a book,

952
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 4: bok tours, you know, And I just wanted to make

953
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 4: sure she was And there was a kind of loneliness

954
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 4: to her story to me, No jaj there's a loneliness

955
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 4: like the bigger and richer and you get more isolated,

956
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: you know, there's more things you can't do and you

957
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: always have to I don't know, so I just I

958
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: just didn't want her to feel that loneliness. She could

959
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: talk to me about whatever, because that was some It

960
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 4: was a lot of personal information. Her gauge is way

961
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: past mind. That's what I mean about the younger ones.

962
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: They showed me that I don't have to be that

963
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 4: old school about my press.

964
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: Let's go say you.

965
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 6: You didn't say you know, when Tupac stayed with you,

966
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 6: you saw that like you ain't gonna go in it

967
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 6: like that.

968
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: I didn't tell nobody.

969
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when my family saw the documentary, my

970
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 4: best friend said what I told two people and they

971
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: both lived in New York because why tell somebody that

972
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: can get to me, because I did. I was worried

973
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: that anything could happen, you know. And those two people,

974
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: two of my friends that lived in New York, that

975
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 4: was it. So all my other friends, I just because

976
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 4: two weeks is on a long period for me not

977
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: to call you. I wasn't missed yet, you know, maybe

978
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: had It's been a month.

979
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

980
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: So now when that documentary came out, a lot of

981
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: my friends were like.

982
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: When did this happen? Were you staying? How come I didn't.

983
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: Know HD his girlfriend at the time. I have a

984
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: problem with that because that's part guy. So you know,

985
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: I have no idea child. I wasn't doing.

986
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: Twenty one, you know what I mean. I'm not like

987
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: your girlfriend.

988
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: And it was dire, it was I mean, he was

989
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: in trouble, yeah, and he was still open, like it

990
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 4: wasn't healed yet, you know. So I wasn't thinking about that. Yeah,

991
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: they got back together a thing.

992
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 3: They got back together.

993
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you talk about this only since that.

994
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 5: This is my last question, like, when's the last time

995
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 5: you spoke to him? Like before you die, do you

996
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 5: remember the last conversation in your head or the last

997
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 5: time you saw him.

998
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: I was visiting a Feeny and Stone Mountain when they

999
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 4: had a house there.

1000
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: And he came through. Now this is after he had

1001
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: been in prison for eleven months. Okay, I've seen him

1002
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: for a while. Yeah, so I saw him at the house.

1003
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 3: That was the last time.

1004
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: You remember the conversation or you don't, that's personal.

1005
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 4: It was just like hey, you know, and he was like,

1006
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 4: I'm strong now because he was.

1007
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: He was, you know, infirmed.

1008
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: So he wanted me to see his you know, little

1009
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: prison push up muscles.

1010
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Because we're all black from doing it on you know,

1011
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: he wanted. I was like, yeah, you look good.

1012
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: And then he went out with his friends and you know,

1013
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: I hung out with a fainting The thing that really

1014
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: hurt my feelings about him getting shot like that. When

1015
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 4: he was with me, I thought I was helping him

1016
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: go to the next part of his life, like grow.

1017
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: I was like, you're gonna get You're gonna go to prison,

1018
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 4: and then you get shot again. And I knew that

1019
00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: second shooting wasn't the wounds he had the first time,

1020
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: wearing his appendages.

1021
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: Not in his lungs. I'm so disappointed.

1022
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he told me he was gonna it wasn't

1023
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 6: gonna make it past twenty five.

1024
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: I always thought he was just talking shit.

1025
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: All the time.

1026
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: That's legend. Put that in the book. I was like,

1027
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm not writing a book about you. I'm telling you that.

1028
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I'm never telling anybody anything about this experience.

1029
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: Nah, you need to you know, blunt in the baptib like,

1030
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 4: you need to put this in the book.

1031
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 3: What am I?

1032
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 4: You're fucking now, I'm you're a chronicler. Yeah, And he

1033
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: kept telling me he was like twenty one, and I

1034
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: really didn't understand that world.

1035
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: He knew. I wasn't from it.

1036
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: I thought it was ridiculous for him to say he

1037
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: wasn't going to live past twenty five. I treated him

1038
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 4: like I treated my little cousins that make these statements

1039
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 4: about life.

1040
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 3: So that hurts.

1041
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: I can't wait people to hear your story.

1042
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: You live the life guy. You got to watch him

1043
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: since this Sunday.

1044
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: March twenty four, Central TV one.

1045
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: You gonna make me. I'm gonna take my lashes off

1046
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: because I'm going to know yea with lashes if you.

1047
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Take them off and put them on ebit, No, I

1048
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: forgot I got you.

1049
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: I watch the going.

1050
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: Make sure they know it's not roaches or a spider

1051
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 4: because they like you, just put them on.

1052
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: All My lesson for Jasmine guy.

1053
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 5: Ladies, always the pleasure when guy love you so much. Lady,

1054
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 5: you are a cultural We appreciate you so much, we

1055
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 5: value you.

1056
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: Just thank you always.

1057
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: Now, thank you.

1058
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: It's Jazmine Guy, It's the Breakfast Club.

1059
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. The

1060
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club