WEBVTT - Low Hanging Fruit

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to your Chelsea featuring Chelsea Handler and Brandon. Hello. Hi, Hi, sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>How's your day going? Not pretty annoyed today? That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a lot of reasons to be annoyed on.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a lot going on, Brandon, There's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot happening to you recently. So let's it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a bad mood. Just accept it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging it. Acknowledging it. No that it will pass. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a rough day and it will be

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<v Speaker 1>gone tomorrow most likely. And you've had a rough week.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who else is having a rough time? Alex Rodriguez,

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<v Speaker 1>did you hear about somebody took a picture of him

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<v Speaker 1>taking a shed be in his apartment and then decided

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<v Speaker 1>to post it all over the internet. I was not aware,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure that's a welcome distraction from miss Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Lopez News. I would say that that is a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do to another person, like who took that

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<v Speaker 1>photo and then posted it? Like, honestly, you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>society is so fucked up. But I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>if that were to happen to somebody, if it had

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to somebody, I think it should be Alex Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably thrilled that this is the new headline and

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<v Speaker 1>not him and Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Affleck. Yeah, well, I'm sure he's not thrilled about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure he's not thrilled about hearing rumors about

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<v Speaker 1>his ex girl. What were they married? They were engaged? Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't care for him. I feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way about Alex Rodriguez. I find him very off putting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know why so many women are so

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<v Speaker 1>into him. I don't like his body shape, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like his demeanor. I'm glad you said that about his

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<v Speaker 1>body shape because I also don't like it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why. But I've met him once and I

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<v Speaker 1>was picked out when I met him, and I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>picked out by him even I just don't understand a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Jennifer Lopez's choices romantically, though they never make

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me really, her and Mark Anthony, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's like there's a trend here that

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<v Speaker 1>she's dating people that are one not in her league

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<v Speaker 1>and two obviously not a romantic match. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand the rebounding. I don't understand, like when you break

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<v Speaker 1>up having sex with your ex boyfriend, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get that, Like why two weeks without having sex and

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<v Speaker 1>then contact Your and Ben Affleck have both said individually

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<v Speaker 1>in interviews that they are the ones that got away,

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes I think that can't happen, that you're just

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<v Speaker 1>going through a life circumstance where it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>work out, and maybe it can down the road. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope they work out. Actually, I would like to see

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<v Speaker 1>them get back together Ben Affleck and j Lo. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I hope that comes true for you. Then, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I think about that. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a preference situation, not today. I often think of which

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<v Speaker 1>male celebrity I would like to see you end up with.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any thoughts on this? I'd like your opinion. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. Actually, I haven't thought about that. There's someone

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<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about a couple of times that I

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<v Speaker 1>would have liked to see you with, Gerard Butler. Gerard

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<v Speaker 1>Butler is we would cancel each other out because he's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit wild like I'm a little bit wild.

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<v Speaker 1>I would actually venture to say that Gerard Butler is

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<v Speaker 1>more wild than I am, really, but he's a really

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. John Hamm, John Hamm is a really nice

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<v Speaker 1>guy too. John Hamm has a girlfriend right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I did have a question John ham though for

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<v Speaker 1>a long long time, those are the two that come

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<v Speaker 1>to my mind most often. Yeah, and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>crush on him, and then I have another one. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, but you did justin Long's podcast a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago. And I just find him very attractive. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen him out and about a few times and

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<v Speaker 1>he just has this error to him where he seems

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<v Speaker 1>very confident, and I would love to see that happen. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys could have a good time together. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>did his podcast and we did have a great time together.

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<v Speaker 1>I really really like him, but he's not really my type.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your type? Let's get into that for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that your masculine. I like a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's first of all, physically bigger than I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to feel like a girl, like a dainty little Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had sex with a couple of guys that were

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<v Speaker 1>smaller than me, and I didn't really like that. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Ted small. Ted was short, but stout corpula, He wasn't tall.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. There's always say that I like short guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I do not, and then they go

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<v Speaker 1>and list all the men I've dated, and like half

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<v Speaker 1>of them are like five nine or five ten. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really short. Chewy was short, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to build a guy for you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that people should know so they know what

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<v Speaker 1>to keep an eye out for. You like a British guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I do. I love British guys. I like foreigners.

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<v Speaker 1>You like black guys? What not a black British guy?

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<v Speaker 1>What about your driver? That would be a home run.

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<v Speaker 1>In any of your outings this last week, did you

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<v Speaker 1>ever go out and start a conversation? I went to

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<v Speaker 1>Hotel bel Air. This was your homework assignment, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were no men around, and the men that

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<v Speaker 1>were lesbian convention. No, it was just I was with

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<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend. It's hard to look and check out other

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<v Speaker 1>guys when you're with somebody. I like to be focused

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<v Speaker 1>on what I'm doing. She and I had a great

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<v Speaker 1>time without men. So I did not approach a man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do it. It's a good challenge for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll find somebody to hit on. Stay tuned for that,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. Let's take a quick break. So have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever felt like there's a time where your advice was

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<v Speaker 1>invasive or unwanted? Yeah, all the time. That's happens to

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<v Speaker 1>me all the time. I give unsolicited advice. That's my problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But are there certain people into your life, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they aren't asking for it, needed or want

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<v Speaker 1>it unknowingly? Well, maybe that's how you can justify it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, some people are receptive to it and then go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh thank you like you always say, oh thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for telling me. Yeah, because I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>people in your life that you care about. Normally they're

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<v Speaker 1>giving you their opinion or advice on something. It's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a good place, like no one advice with malice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I used to do that, probably be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit malicious. Well, the reason I ask is because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the submissions today are people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>either overstepping or perfect Well that's your area of expertise, overbearing,

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<v Speaker 1>overstepping or shockingly in one of them, that they're disinterested

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<v Speaker 1>in the feedback at all, So I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>just get right into it. And our first mission comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a woman named Kimberly. She's a night nurse at

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<v Speaker 1>a nursing home and she writes, Dear Chelsea, myself and

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<v Speaker 1>several co workers are being bullied at work. With COVID

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<v Speaker 1>restricting so much employment, we feel stuck in our jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Management excuses the bad behavior as personality conflicts. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>us around the house. Our coworker comes on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>and we feel her mission to belittle us, to grade

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<v Speaker 1>us and shame us. We are frontline workers in a

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<v Speaker 1>nursing home and it is affecting our ability to care

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<v Speaker 1>and support for our residents with dignity and love. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you advise that they all need to get together,

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<v Speaker 1>All of you guys need to join forces and stand

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<v Speaker 1>up to the bully together saying that this is unacceptable

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<v Speaker 1>behavior in the middle of a pandemic. No, less, don't

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<v Speaker 1>feed the beast. Well, I mean, it's just unacceptable that

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<v Speaker 1>a colleague is coming on the floor and belittling them

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<v Speaker 1>and that they have to even put up with that.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the boss is disregarding the

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<v Speaker 1>not surprising. I mean, who wants to deal with it?

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<v Speaker 1>No boss, you know, especially at a nursing home, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably like really really low hanging for Yeah, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>you just need to address it. But I just used

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<v Speaker 1>low hanging fruit the right way. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't either. That doesn't seem like I did. I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it probably wasn't used the right way,

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<v Speaker 1>but at a nursing home, I couldn't tell you what is. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there is definitely low hanging fruit. Yeah. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that this is one of those situations where you

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of have to confront it head on, like

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not going away, you're going to need to

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<v Speaker 1>address it. It reminds me of Andrew Cuomo the bullying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I just read that article. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a big piece on him that I just read recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was just talking about the pathology

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<v Speaker 1>of his behavior, you know, of him being a bully

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<v Speaker 1>to so many people for so many years in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with Andrew. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>you're glad you dodged that bullet. Well, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I dodged the bullet as much as he dodged me,

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<v Speaker 1>because I had a crush on him. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him on the phone a few times, and

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<v Speaker 1>we texted a couple of times and it was very flirtatious,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought for sure there was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>penetrate Shan. Well, now we know why I didn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>because he wouldn't be able to bully you. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently he doesn't like women that throwed themselves at him.

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<v Speaker 1>He prefers to take it. Like all of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of sexual harassment. I mean, the sexual harassment stories are

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<v Speaker 1>him like grabbing somebody. Nobody's accusing him of sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did dodge a bullet. You know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>find out all of that, you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god, I think dating him or have sex with

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<v Speaker 1>him even Well, I told you from the beginning, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's sixty two and I'm forty six, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>like his body looks like a melting candle. You can't well,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like he's transitioning it into a woman because

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of men that age start to look

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<v Speaker 1>like women, right, but a very butcher woman, lesbian woman,

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<v Speaker 1>but his mother. Basically, if you've seen pictures of his mom,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks a lot like his mom. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>was already like, was I going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>go down that road and like be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I was going to see on his

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<v Speaker 1>body and not. I zoomed in on so many Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>posts and pictures to see exactly where his we exchanged

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<v Speaker 1>quite of you of those were on his body right,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was a lot of questions about his nipples

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<v Speaker 1>and then where were they, you know, down or up?

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<v Speaker 1>And then there are a lot of questions about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the background of that mansion he lives in and Albany

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<v Speaker 1>also and the decor. That was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>hard pill to swallow, but luckily that didn't happen. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how this relates it all to the nursing home,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think you brought up nursing homes and bullying

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<v Speaker 1>and I immediately went to answer Cromo so sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry. Well, Kimberly, I think to wrap this up

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<v Speaker 1>is you just need to address it head on yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>If the admin and the office doesn't do anything about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then it takes the bullies power away. You just address it,

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<v Speaker 1>get your little gang of girls together, guys who whomever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to join forces and stand up to

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<v Speaker 1>the bully. Fuck that. As an adult being bullied, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>no thanks. It's these people who just want a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of power so if they don't have it. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>is the exact way I think of middle school receptionists.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they just love and they're always like sausage

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<v Speaker 1>finger like Sharon's like, they just would yeah, like that

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<v Speaker 1>principle's reception. Yeah, they just feel like adjacent to the power,

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<v Speaker 1>so they like to flex that muscle. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>crossing guard. Basically a crossing guard, somebody gets way out

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<v Speaker 1>of control with their responsibility. It's like a police officer

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<v Speaker 1>when they're directing traffic. That happens in Martha's Vineyard a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, Okay, everybody, calm down. Guys. People love

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to put someone else in the place,

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<v Speaker 1>Like anytime you go do you have never experienced this,

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<v Speaker 1>I can guarantee, But like going to do a return

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a day over or use a coupon on

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<v Speaker 1>something and they don't want to do I'm like, is

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<v Speaker 1>this the fucking issue you want to take up right now? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this really the expiration date on a coupon? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it's so freaking annoying. Are you using coupons? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I use coupons for you and you don't even know it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sweet, sweetheart. Yes, I'm thirty. I told you economically responsible, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you doesn't matter how much you have, it's how much

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<v Speaker 1>you save. And that's where I come in. Yeah. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that's also advice for everyone listening. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>how much you have, it's how much you save. Save, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because you need to save. Oh girl, please please. Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still using the coupons. Our next submission comes from

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Tran. She's twenty five. We have her on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>but her submission says, Hi, Chelsea, I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of you since Chelsea lately. That's nice. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being such a good role model. As I've gotten older,

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<v Speaker 1>I've realized that dating men my age has gotten worse

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<v Speaker 1>and worse, especially with the Me Too movement and broke culture.

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<v Speaker 1>I realize I can't hate them more. Any dating advice

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<v Speaker 1>that you would give yourself at twenty five so Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm oh, you are look at look at Nicole, Hi, Nicole.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's so so disappointing. What men have taken.

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<v Speaker 1>The last couple of years with men have been so disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I totally feel your pain because I'm forty six,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty one years older than you, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the way that you fucking feel. I'm like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you fucking serious, you guys, Like, are you guys gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be this disappointing for us for the rest of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We're telling you that you need to start behaving in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way. We're trying to help you win, and

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<v Speaker 1>they still won't fucking listen. Yeah, it can't be easier

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<v Speaker 1>than that. And that's the funny thing, Like you're literally

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<v Speaker 1>giving them the advice that they need, and it it's

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<v Speaker 1>still more disappointing, Like if these are the tools that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be better, and then they make it

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<v Speaker 1>about themselves again. Yes, yes, women have quite literally given

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<v Speaker 1>men a road map to get laid and they still

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<v Speaker 1>get lost, like where, well, I don't understand what you

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<v Speaker 1>want be like, I actually just know it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>want to funk all you guys. And you're ruining it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're blowing it. All of you guys are blowing it

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<v Speaker 1>because we It's like women want you to succeed. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>like straight white men do not understand what the funk

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<v Speaker 1>is going on. They are so resistant, Like this one

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<v Speaker 1>guy in Canada. I was talking to this one guy

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada and we're skiing, and he said, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel like a little bit like reverse discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>on the subject of white male patriarchy. Blah blah, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>it does feel like I understand everything needs to be equal,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does feel like reverse discrimination. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>looked at him and thought, like, well, I didn't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, first of all, you're okay with

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<v Speaker 1>discrimination as long as it's not reverse you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>saying it like that's the problem. It's like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what needs to happen is reverse discrimination for a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time until things become equitable, like in a real way,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, anyway, don't get me fucking started, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, So anyway, who was the last person

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<v Speaker 1>you dated? I at this point, I'm just like not

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<v Speaker 1>dating like I've been just like trying to date people,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like on dating apps, but then it would

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<v Speaker 1>I would go and get drinks of people, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it just gets weird, like people will just say really

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<v Speaker 1>stalker ish stuff and I feel like they would lock

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<v Speaker 1>me in their basement and I just get out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>In your submission, you mentioned that you live in a

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<v Speaker 1>college town. To me, that speaks volumes about the type

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<v Speaker 1>of men who are going to be lingering around your area.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a lot of like guys in arrested development

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<v Speaker 1>who are clinging to their college days if they've graduated,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's guys in college, in which case like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't you can't, can't you because they're too stupid. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Columbus, Ohio, so like everything is just like

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<v Speaker 1>everything is just a huge campus. So everyone's either extremely

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<v Speaker 1>young or everyone is completely like a frat for life,

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<v Speaker 1>so they just hire everyone who will never grow up

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<v Speaker 1>and it's disappointing. Can I ask for because you're both

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<v Speaker 1>on dating apps, I'm obviously not on a dating app,

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<v Speaker 1>but is there Yeah, I'll see how that goes over.

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<v Speaker 1>Do people not meet through friends anymore? Is it only

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<v Speaker 1>like the accessibility that you and whoever else is on

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<v Speaker 1>the dating app know that you're both looking, so is

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<v Speaker 1>it the convenience. I just don't understand why no one

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<v Speaker 1>is hooked up with through mutual friends who kind of

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<v Speaker 1>understand what you might be into. I think the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>part with that is like if something goes wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>then it doesn't work out, then it's just awkward for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life, and like you're just asking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>was that so and so going to be there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you just have to like dodge out of a

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<v Speaker 1>party or like dodge out of us. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>people have to have a knack for setting people up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's like your friend. No, my friends don't

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<v Speaker 1>set me up, which I think speaks more about my

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<v Speaker 1>personality than it does. They try, and the guys are

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just not quite right. They think, I'm like, listen, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my friends will try and set me up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ah, this is a little too middle age,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what I'm talking about. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you are middle aged. I'm like, god, no, I'm freking

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<v Speaker 1>not okay, not in my head, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>just take a break, because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>women feel the way you feel about men, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just need to like take a break and wait for

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<v Speaker 1>like a crush to develop naturally, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can be reintroduced to the idea of flirtation.

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<v Speaker 1>Dating apps are just like it's like COVID, it's like fatigue,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have, like they become so boring and

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<v Speaker 1>wrote and it's just adds to the day to day

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<v Speaker 1>mundaneus that everyone kind of is feeling psychologically because of

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<v Speaker 1>quarantining and etcetera. So I would say take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, just try and focus on yourself actually,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's never bad when you take some time and

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<v Speaker 1>just so like try and get like healthy, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, get grounded, read books and stuff. You

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<v Speaker 1>always get a prize at the end of that, which

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<v Speaker 1>will hopefully come in the package of a man that

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<v Speaker 1>you want to have sex with. That's true, absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 1>if not, then you're not out any of that energy

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<v Speaker 1>that you would have invested into the man because you've

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<v Speaker 1>invested in it into yourself. So it's a real win

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<v Speaker 1>either way, exactly, it's a win win. That's very accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>Went in doubt invest in yourself. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>our hashtag for this podcast. If if I believed in hashtags.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you could keep us posted on your next few days, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and circle back tell us what happened. I just told

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<v Speaker 1>you to take a break, though, Brandon, you're giving me

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting advice now when it does happen. Okay, yeah, keep

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<v Speaker 1>us posted. We want all of our callers to keep

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<v Speaker 1>us posted as to their progress. That's a good idea,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect All right, Well it was nice, thanks guys, have

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<v Speaker 1>a great day. Bye again. A totally really normal, reasonable person.

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<v Speaker 1>I just really am interested. Like I like these callers.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has the same issues. And this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand with people. Everyone has the same issues. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're common that everyone is facing some of the

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<v Speaker 1>same hurdles with especially dating. Well, you're not having that

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<v Speaker 1>problem because you're in a relationship, yes, But everyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>on these apps, it's like everyone wants to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship or find someone, yet they spend all their

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<v Speaker 1>time texting on it and they never said anything up.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a friend recently who had said the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that he had been talking to this guy

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<v Speaker 1>for like weeks on a dating app. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>have you tried to set a date? And he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well here and there, you know, we'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like I would exchange two messages before I said, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's meet here. I'm available like this time these weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to get together? If the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>is to date, you can't fucking do that through a phone,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna have to get out and do something.

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<v Speaker 1>You're actually very good with that. You normally if you're

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<v Speaker 1>into someone, you meet them right away for a drink

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<v Speaker 1>or dinner or something. I'm sorry, I was just reading

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<v Speaker 1>a text from my brother who said he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the way his way to get his birth certificate. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see that text from Roy? He said, Hi, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for the late reply. I was playing basketball and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm on my way to Elizabeth to get my

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate. Ask him if you can find your parents

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<v Speaker 1>marriage certificate, that would be really handy. Can you find

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<v Speaker 1>just so you know, we need the marrige certificate because

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<v Speaker 1>we've been trying to get Chelsea's German citizenship, any citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>from any country. I want it. She'll go anywhere. An

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<v Speaker 1>additional passport is always welcome, and we can't find her

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<v Speaker 1>parents marriage certificate. I don't know if they did it

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<v Speaker 1>off the books or what. But we've searched basically every

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<v Speaker 1>county in New Jersey. Considering that they're my parents, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably aren't even fucking married and we're lying to us

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Also, you know, I have a brother I

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<v Speaker 1>found out about right that I didn't know. I just

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<v Speaker 1>found out about that recently. I'm always learning new things about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll focus on the brothers I do have. Oh great, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you see if this brother that you do

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<v Speaker 1>have confined the maor certificate right right? Because my brother Roy,

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<v Speaker 1>my brother Roy can't. He doesn't even know where his

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<v Speaker 1>own birth certificate or driver's license is. He's never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to find something that may not even exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have Roy. We're gonna have Roy call into

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<v Speaker 1>the show because I want you to hear my brother Roy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the oldest by default because my other brother, you know, died,

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<v Speaker 1>So Roy became the oldest from my other brother died.

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<v Speaker 1>And at my brother's funeral, my grandfather came over and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Roy, you're the oldest. Now you're in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of the rest of the siblings were like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh no, he's fucking not. He's stoned all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when he was a teenager, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, he's so not the oldest, and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>in our family dynamic. He's like basically the baby. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though I'm the baby, he's the baby. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>him to tell you his story because he's been in Palau,

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<v Speaker 1>living in Palau for like the last few years. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never met him. He has a very interesting shaped head,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's really sweet and adorable and very funny and

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<v Speaker 1>his real quiet, funny way. I want you to give

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<v Speaker 1>him advice because I don't give my brother advice anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all like, you know, we're all done. They just

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<v Speaker 1>check out. We just want to support him and we

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be happy. Okay, that's I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good stance to take. I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 1>he wants advice, but he likes to talk so un

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<v Speaker 1>solicited he'll get it. I'll be able to call in

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<v Speaker 1>one of these days. Well, until Roy calls, we have

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<v Speaker 1>Sergio on the phone. He is in his thirties. He's

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<v Speaker 1>from New York, and he writes, dear Oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>perfect sibling complexities. Dear Chelsea, how do you make sure

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<v Speaker 1>to not overburden your siblings. I want to find balance

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<v Speaker 1>between being a mentor to them and just being an

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<v Speaker 1>older gay brother. Sergio. Hi, Hi, Telsey, Hi, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you good? Good here in the city and telling the weather? Well, Sergio,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with your siblings? How many do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the deal? I have way too many siblings. So

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<v Speaker 1>I have six sisters to a younger and one older brother.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm trying to find the balance between like being

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<v Speaker 1>that gay older brother for my two younger sisters, but

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<v Speaker 1>not two out there for them, you know, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>my sex life or anything like that. Right, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>you have six sisters, yes, and then you have two

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<v Speaker 1>younger yes, So how many all together? Eight? My parents

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about birth control unfortunately, okay, yeah, and a

0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of people didn't seem to know about the birth control.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess who does know about it? I do. Well, you're gay, Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably have more to say on this topic before

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<v Speaker 1>I man explain it. Well. I mean, it's all going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about your dynamic with your individual siblings. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of times you just adjust to the

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<v Speaker 1>different personalities in the dynamic you have with that sibling,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have three sisters, all with very different personalities,

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<v Speaker 1>so what I give them of myself is different. My

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<v Speaker 1>one sister is very sensitive Casa, and we don't how

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<v Speaker 1>do you spell casa k A s y a k

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<v Speaker 1>A s y asa Okay, And she is just the softest,

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<v Speaker 1>sweetest little thing, but she gets very bogged down with

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<v Speaker 1>anything too emotional, so I keep it very light with her.

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<v Speaker 1>And my sister Kayla, I can talk to about anything,

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<v Speaker 1>like she gets the very gay side of me. She

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<v Speaker 1>will get my unfiltered opinion on her life, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know she's good with that. My sister Brooks, she's older,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm the one normally like giving her advice. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, we had like a really personal

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about my life recently, and she's like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a strange conversation because normally we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff and not yours. So I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>really just depends on your relationship with each of those siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, that's actually good advice. Can if I see that.

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<v Speaker 1>With my younger sister Jenny, I have a closer wationship

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<v Speaker 1>with her, but I would just never want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from her like about her dating life. Like her telling

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<v Speaker 1>me if she's having, you know, intimately something that that's

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<v Speaker 1>just be really weird. Your family is very open with things, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>are we? Yeah? I guess we are with like sex

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<v Speaker 1>talk and stuff, but only like the girls with the

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<v Speaker 1>girl roles, Like we're not talking to my brothers about

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<v Speaker 1>hooking up. Yeah, Like I just had the best sex.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also just to the point, since this was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of your last note on the gay aspect, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just such a minor part of those interactions, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I wouldn't let that be what dictates your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>or interaction with your sisters. Like you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>authentically who you are, and that's one area I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to like temper or play down just to

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<v Speaker 1>appease someone else. Like if that's you, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>just be you in those relationships, and they all love

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<v Speaker 1>you for that. I would say, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about that in those interactions. Yeah, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>most of part would be, like I can't let be

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<v Speaker 1>sure of my grander profile or something like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe that's something you keep yourself, though not

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.159
<v Speaker 1>everyone needs to see like the dick pics and I

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<v Speaker 1>think your question. Really at the root of your question, Sergio,

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 1>is the sexual stuff. Are you supposed to share that?

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<v Speaker 1>And the answers no, let's not. Let's go with not

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<v Speaker 1>sharing with your siblings your sexual sexual exactly like the

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<v Speaker 1>meeting someone on grind or those like interactions like you, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've met someone on this app, grind, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't need to say like that you got

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<v Speaker 1>penetrated in the back alley, like you can keep those

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<v Speaker 1>things to yourself. Guy, I'm dating a guy, or I'm

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 1>going on a date, right, going out with a guy? Right, agreed, agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to wrap on that close Sergio. Alright, fantastic problem.

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Good luck to you, all right, thanks, Words today are

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<v Speaker 1>hard for us, are they? Well? Low hanging fruit, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I still don't know what phrase not really a

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<v Speaker 1>word though, And that's a combination of words. Yeah, well,

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it means a couple of different things. There's a literal

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<v Speaker 1>translation and then there's the metaphorical. Yeah, that's right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should take a quick break. Okay. Our

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<v Speaker 1>next submission is from Jonathan. He's twenty six. He lives

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<v Speaker 1>in California, and he has some issues with his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>His submission says, Dear Chelsea, I came out in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and fourteen. My mom tried giving me an ultimatum

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<v Speaker 1>to change or get kicked out. So I tried to change.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually went to convert and therapy. My mom tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get me to go into the military. She made

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<v Speaker 1>me quit work and stay at home for After I

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<v Speaker 1>had enough, I told her that I cannot change for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She got all my stuff and threw it out into

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<v Speaker 1>the garage port. My dad had to come pick me

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<v Speaker 1>up and help me out. About a year later, me

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom kind of got close again. Then someone

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<v Speaker 1>told her about me being to quote unquote out there

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<v Speaker 1>with my sexuality, and she stopped talking to me again.

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Should I ever forgive her if she asks for another chance?

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.679
<v Speaker 1>And he includes a photo of her throwing all of

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<v Speaker 1>his stuff out into the garage port. So, Jonathan, are

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<v Speaker 1>you there? I am here. How are you guys? Hi? Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you guys? Day go in? Well, I'm so

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>glad that Brandon's here because this seems like another question

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that you should take the lead on, Brandon, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple of submissions that lean gay. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>been I've been fielding us. You have beautiful teeth, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Thank you. I appreciate it. The reason why, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to jump in because that's what a

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<v Speaker 1>man would do. A white man would jump in, A

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<v Speaker 1>white straight man would jump in and say, oh, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't I answer this question about being gay in Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rican and the Puerto Rican But I'm gay? Well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you were a Puerto Rican and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to act like a white man, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's bad enough what's going on. But we

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<v Speaker 1>do work in cahoots, so her perspective will also important.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I'm so sorry that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>type of advice that you need. I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>complicated relationship with my mother, so I'm like, I fully

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<v Speaker 1>understand how difficult that dynamic. Can you have to call

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the police on his mother before and he has. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very tricky. And I understand also with the gay aspect

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and their reception of that and how that can also

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>burden the relationship even though it shouldn't. So now you're

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for trying to get that relationship back on course

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<v Speaker 1>for something that's you know, natural in regard to everything

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<v Speaker 1>that you went through. After you're coming out, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you really need to let go of so like you

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<v Speaker 1>included the photo, I understand that it was a painful

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<v Speaker 1>situation and to be treated that way and go through

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<v Speaker 1>the conversion therapy and try to fix something that is

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>inherent to you. But holding onto that just takes up

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>space and it doesn't It doesn't do anything positive for you.

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So the longer you hold on to it, and this

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is just very consistent when people are writing in with

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>things that have happened in the past, you have to

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>let go of it for yourself, not for your mom.

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>She is, you know, irrelevant in this scenario. But if

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 1>you if you harbor those feelings, you know, negative feelings

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>towards the circumstances you went through, Like Chelsea says, you

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>have to spin it and you have to make that

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<v Speaker 1>a positive thing. Like you went through all this so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully help someone else. You know, these circumstances and situations

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you're writing in, someone else is experiencing this and hopefully

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll take something of it. Who's listening to say, like, oh,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>try and change who I am for someone else exactly exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think some of the hardest things, Like my

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>mom would even say some of the worst things. She

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<v Speaker 1>told me straight to my face, I'd rather have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a drug addictively gay. She told one of her

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>friends that this is where things that happens is my

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>brother daddy cancer. So all these comparisons, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>what is honestly going through your own head? You know,

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>like that you have such a men, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>see how damaged that person and if they would really

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<v Speaker 1>want you to be a drug addict rather than just

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<v Speaker 1>be happy like who you fund does not affect her.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just like the fact of the matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's something we all have to deal with in the

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<v Speaker 1>l g b t q I A community that why

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<v Speaker 1>is our personal life? So I a what wait, q

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<v Speaker 1>T what l g b t q I A lesbian, gay,

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<v Speaker 1>transgender a sexual intersects you? And now when they're not

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>a crossroad in sex intersex And then you said another letter,

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>lgbt q I A sexual. What did I miss him? There?

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I missed something, Jonathan, lgbt q I A plus because

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>there's so many differences, you said, AI, and I was like,

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought you met artificial we don't know, but we're

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>just everyone. I know, a I could be a thing

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in the future. You never know. Yeah, you know that's

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>something also to hop on, Jonathan. Is that like when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody I also want to ask you about conversion therapy,

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>when somebody is really can't give you love or demonstrate love,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's about them, that's more of a reflection of

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>them than it has anything to do with you. And

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>then what goes on at conversion therapy, at Mike Penn's

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>conversion therapy. Oh God, I can't even deal with that guy.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>But so with my mom. Luckily we don't have to anymore.

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>My mom would actually send me to our local church

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and I was raised in tatch, Me, which is a

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>small town east of bakerstl, California, And pretty much they

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>just read me scriptures from the Bible over and over

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and over again, saying this is wrong what you're doing.

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, you need to change your ways, You're gonna

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>go to hell, like all this stuff, Like God, that

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a fucking nightmare. Literally two hours a day,

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and my mom sent me to go do that and

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>listening to people somebody reading the Bible. Can you think

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of anything more unpleasant. No, but it is so damaging

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to these I mean again, they're just trying to recondition

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>something that can't be reconditioned because it's not it's not

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a learned habit, So it's not like a behavior like

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, being kind to someone that hopefully you can yeah,

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you threw certain exercises like this is really just it's

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a mental breakdown that they're trying to kind of reduce

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you to your smallest part. But the other aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>this was your relationship with your mom and if you

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>should give her another chance, and that's something that no

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>one can answer. It's something I go through with my

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>sisters on a daily basis because we all have a

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>very complicated relationship with my mom. And my response to

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>them is always when they call and ask what I

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>should do or what they should do in a certain situation,

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>is you have to do what feels right to you

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>in that moment, because I don't want to give you

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>my opinion because it's not how I'm feeling or what

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through with her. So that's very personal to you.

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>But I would say you have to safeguard yourself, and

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what I do. So you only give her so

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>much so she can't habitually hurt you. And you also

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want someone like that to be able to leverage

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>your insecurity or your what they perceive as your weaknesses

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to get what they want. So it's all about how

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you enter those interactions and the circumstances you set. So

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>for me, like if I was in your position, what

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I would say is until you can verbally accept who

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I am and who I'm going to be with, there

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>is no relationship. Definitely, Like that is that is the basis,

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the least you could do. And once you

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>could do that, then we can move forward. And it's

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>not going to be easy, but at least then you

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>are on level footing with your sexuality. If that's the

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>catalyst for all these issues, she either needs to accept

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it or don't. Definitely, And I think the hard part

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>is now because so she moved from California all way

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to Wyoming, so she's living her best life there, but

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>her my STI my sister all converted to Mormonism. So okay,

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>so boring. I have Mormon's in my family. My mom

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>was Mormon and my sister was Mormon. She's slowly snapping

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>out of it. But my best girlfriend is Mormon and

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>she's very Yeah, she lives in a suburb and she

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>but she flies a rainbow flag every year for me

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and my partner. Like, she's very progressive. So it seems

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like your mom was like off her rocker before the Mormonism.

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, it seems like it's probably not going

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to help, but that's something personal to her that like

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>no religion should impact her feelings towards her son exactly exactly,

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>So Mormon or not, she's dealing with some ship of

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>her own. Yeah, yeah, And that's like, you know, growing

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<v Speaker 1>up to listen to Sean Hannity every day, like, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was hard because she would always you know,

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<v Speaker 1>use the word fact getting stuff and like me sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the next her in the car, just knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>her feelings are. I'm like, she's talking about me. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I never brought it up to her attention growing

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<v Speaker 1>up and stuff or you know, I always add even

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<v Speaker 1>had like to hide my voice, could always felt it

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<v Speaker 1>was too feminine and things like that. So now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out, though, I'm like so happy and proud, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been happier. I've been healthier. I have never

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<v Speaker 1>been healthier. And yeah, you look healthy and you look

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<v Speaker 1>like you have like a good amount of self confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, go with that. Yeah, don't let her bad

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>state of affairs affect your positivity and your vibe, you know,

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>because all you can control is your reaction, and so

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<v Speaker 1>let her do her thing, and when she earns the

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<v Speaker 1>right to probably be around you, you'll know exactly. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember some of the things she would

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<v Speaker 1>tell me. She's like, you know, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>successful in life. I just graduated last year's my bachelor's,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my masters right now. So it's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, congratulations you guys. And I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>proving it to myself also, you know, in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like in my background, proving her wrong too,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, you know, what's step out of time

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<v Speaker 1>doing things for myself and making myself better. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you. That's so unfortunate that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>go prove your mother wrong. But you know what, sometimes

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just the motivation you need exactly. I love it

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, shaba Alm, it was great talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>The pleasure talking to you guys, thank you guys so

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<v Speaker 1>much for your time, and I appreciate Yeah, bye, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're saving the world, Brandon, one gay

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>man at a time, hopefully. I mean, there are just

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<v Speaker 1>so many issues in the gay community that could be

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<v Speaker 1>an entire episode. Well obviously, I mean, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to unpack. I mean I still deal with it

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily basis. But what kind of issues are

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>you dealing with on a daily basis? I mean, like

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>body issues. I think that's a huge one in the

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<v Speaker 1>gay community, just the expectation of what you should look like,

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<v Speaker 1>because most gay men are under armored mannequins brought to life,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Well, same thing for girls. You know, who's

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<v Speaker 1>not suffering from that body dysmorphia and body image problems?

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>White males and white men, white men over fifty, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not suffering from that. There's nothing more upsetting to me

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<v Speaker 1>than when I see this beautiful woman who you know

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<v Speaker 1>takes the time to maintain herself. It's you And they

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<v Speaker 1>have to fuck these men who they married twenty years ago,

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>who are probably like fine shape, but then just let

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>themselves go like, oh it's not my it's a woman's

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>responsibility to uphold herself. But I can look like a

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 1>garbage back fucking pig. It's my legs splayed open on

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a sofa, you know. Like men should do whatever they

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>can to avoid women from ever seeing the outline of

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 1>the other balls. And that means sitting in a way

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>that no one will see your balls. And when men

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect that silent rule that we thought we had an agreement,

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>but we don't. As usual, it's just just another thing

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that men don't want to be understanding. That's why you

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 1>can't have a lazy boy in your house. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you incorporate a fucking recliner, yeah, then

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<v Speaker 1>things get real dicey, real fast. I bet your dad

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<v Speaker 1>out of recliner. He did my dad out of recliner,

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 1>of course he did. Oh yeah. I could just see

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>him sitting in that right now. That is the furniture

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>embodiment of men. He would sit there on a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>morning with like a bagel, you know. My mom would

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>make him a bagel with like locks and cream cheese,

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and he would put it on the armchair, have the

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>New York Times splayed out, and just be like sitting

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>there like a fucking king, you know, well, my mom

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.879
<v Speaker 1>did everything and we had a nice lazy Sunday, but

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>just eating, you know, putting the plate on his stomach

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and then reading the paper all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know what I just thought of? So girls,

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<v Speaker 1>these men who like in the gym, in the locker room,

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 1>these older men who walk around, you know, they're doing

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>it at their house too. Is they put these boxes

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<v Speaker 1>on and they're like balls or can you not please?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't want to even have this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of imagery right now. I mean I just said I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about balls at all, and now

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you're making me think at around. As soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>say old men and lockers, I think of ball plison.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. So let's steer this in a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. Well it's actually a rap on the show

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<v Speaker 1>for today. Okay, Well that's perfect timing. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>out on that no balls Thursday. For anyone who does

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