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Speaker 2: It's good to the win.

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Speaker 1: We're that further Ado, That's what the game's all about.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you feel like you can't miss

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave up there.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't make that if you try that to get

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Speaker 3: absolutely I've tried to.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network NBA podcast World Explodes edition

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, after conclusion of Jazz Clippers Game five. Today's episode,

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Speaker 1: by the way, brought to you by Bet MGM, the

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Speaker 1: official odds provider of the Action Network podcast. Joining me

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Speaker 1: as always Brandon Anderson and Raheem Palmer. Brandon, Buddy, it's

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Speaker 1: victory lap time. I'm stupid, You're smart.

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Speaker 2: I was wrong, you were right.

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Speaker 1: You're the best, I'm the worst.

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Speaker 2: You're very good looking. I'm not attractive. All right, as

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Speaker 2: long as you're willing to admit.

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Speaker 1: That, I need you to tell the listeners what you

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Speaker 1: did on Wednesday, folks.

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Speaker 3: I did something extremely responsible and definitely reliable. The news

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Speaker 3: world blew up this morning. We'll get back to all

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Speaker 3: of that shortly. I'm sure everyone is hurt, everyone's getting fired,

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Speaker 3: our pets, heads are falling off. So Matt Moore, you

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Speaker 3: always say Bet the narrative. The NBA has been drunk

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Speaker 3: for like thirty hours in counting I bet the narrative.

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Speaker 3: I decided it was time to play the underdog and

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Speaker 3: not just one. Let's play them both. Money line parlay

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Hawks head all the way, by the way, Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles Clippers trusted it as well, plus eleven twenty four,

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Speaker 3: nice little eleven to one parlay to add to the

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Speaker 3: props along the way. So, yeah, you know, it's been

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Speaker 3: a quiet NBA day pretty.

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Speaker 1: Much absolutely wild. I cannot believe you, absolutely that you

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Speaker 1: gunned out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy. So we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about here. We're gonna focus on

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Speaker 1: this podcast mostly on the actual questions regarding the games tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna focus on the games and the games going

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Speaker 1: to tomorrow and the series going forward and titles and futures.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with tomorrow's game and then we'll come back

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Speaker 1: to today's insanity. Okay, tomorrow's Bucks Nets game. Six Nets

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Speaker 1: can close it out. Obviously, the Bucks had a big

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Speaker 1: lead and they lost it and everyone was just like

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Speaker 1: everyone has just crushed them for twenty four hours, just

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Speaker 1: absolutely beating them to a pulp. And yet, and yet, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: somehow in this game, the Milwaukee Bucks are five and

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Speaker 1: a half point favorites in game six total two nineteen

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Speaker 1: and a half. Let's start with you. What's the you'r?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a bet on this game going in?

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna bet tomorrow? What's the angle going into

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Speaker 2: For me, I mean, if I had any balls, or rather,

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Speaker 2: if I could trust Giannis, I wouldn't play tomorrow's game.

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Speaker 2: I would take the Bucks to win the series, because

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Speaker 2: it's just like you can get plus one eight and

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Speaker 2: then they're going to a game seven where anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: James Harden can't move, Kevin Durant has played all forty

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Speaker 2: eight minutes. It just feels like this is a series

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Speaker 2: in which the Bucks should win. Like it kind of

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Speaker 2: reminds me of the twenty fifteen playoff series between the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Clippers in the San Antonio Spurs, in which,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if anybody remember, Chris Paul

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Speaker 2: but the Clippers actually went down in that series, and

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Speaker 2: I know at that time I actually took the Clippers

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Speaker 2: the better play is that is to take the Bucks

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Speaker 1: All right, So a counterpoint, it's the Bucks. That's that's

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Speaker 2: That's that's why I said if I had any boss, right,

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Speaker 2: So here, Okay, here's what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So it's again, it's Wednesday night. We had a lot

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Speaker 1: of time for the games. A lot of bets are

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Speaker 1: track your betscal all of the information, all of our

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Speaker 1: analysis everything. Sixty five percent of the bets are coming

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Speaker 1: in on the nets. Ninety percent of the money is

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Speaker 1: coming in on the nets. However, however, in our signals section,

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Speaker 1: How? How is this not going? How is this not

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Speaker 1: that has Yannis, you can't hit free throws, all of

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Speaker 1: these things, Brandon, The books are telling you, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: give it to it. Yeah here, free money, take it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I have to write the preview for this game tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I have zero words on my page right now. It's

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Speaker 3: because I needed to get some input from both of

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Speaker 3: All of that had to happen at home at Brooklyn

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Speaker 3: He took what's his yet again and this is it.

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Speaker 3: This is what happened. But couldn't you see a week

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Speaker 3: The Bucks come out Game six against an exhausted Nets team,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want to take the Bucks to win,

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Speaker 3: it's because the Nets are exhausted, and the Bucks just

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Speaker 3: guys and push all the chips in for Game seven.

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Speaker 3: That to me, that's the scenario that I am thinking

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Speaker 3: the crowd energy, and the Nets kind of call off

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Speaker 3: the Dogs and try again on game seven. What do

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Speaker 3: you guys think about that? As at least a short

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, We've talked all year on this podcast

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Speaker 1: aboubout the narrative right, and it's getting wrecked by injuries.

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Speaker 1: The podcast is getting its ass kicked by injuries this season.

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Speaker 1: The analysis, the statistical information, watching the film, doing the breakdowns,

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Speaker 1: Yannis for all of his foibles, Like I'm doing a

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Speaker 1: and I'm writing this thing on Giannis. He got another

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Speaker 1: the pod, right, was is Blake Griffin really this defensive stopper. No,

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Speaker 1: y'all just figured him out. There's all these basketball reasons

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Speaker 1: are on the money line for Game six. The Bucks

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Speaker 1: I think I'm a bet at both ways. Interesting, I

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Speaker 1: it's not a good situation for them. They're going to

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Speaker 1: Atlanta for Game six. They haven't been able to put

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Speaker 1: the Bucks matchup versus the six Ers, even if it

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Speaker 2: Don't like leaving yourself open to lose both bets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's when games seven at home.

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Speaker 1: Well that have already cash on nets winning tomorrow, Well.

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Speaker 3: No, then they lose tomorrow, and then when you just put.

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Speaker 2: Yourself in a bad spot either, like there's too many

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Speaker 2: why to me, I think the play is to take

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Speaker 2: the bucks to win the series because they're pretty big

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Speaker 2: is likely going to be a pick them they like,

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Speaker 2: and what was it in Game five? They were laying

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Speaker 2: two and a half. So it's just you put yourself

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Speaker 2: in a position to where you can reevaluate after game six,

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Speaker 2: or you can even set yourself up for an arbitrage opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Well look look at this series price. Bucks are plus

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Speaker 1: one ninety five, So yeah, one ninety five versus plus

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Speaker 3: My number is put. I did serious prices before everything

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Speaker 1: It does not, It does not at all.

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee has scored one hundred and eight points or the

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Speaker 1: I'm so mad you got me on the under. I'm

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Speaker 2: We had this conversation before. I think when we're talking

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if you can bet on regression

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Speaker 3: So what be the coach for the day, Kyrie Irving,

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Speaker 3: James Harden looks like he did in Game five for

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Speaker 3: And this is your team?

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Speaker 1: You played because you have the plan? Because the Bucks

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Speaker 1: Isso versus the space that Jannis has. They're helping, they're hedging,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense to me. One As you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: here's the reason, because Jannis has basically been quote unquote

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Speaker 3: Bucks are Vanilla, They're going to make that switch. Yannis

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Speaker 3: I think, like, yeah, why why does Joe Harris suck?

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Speaker 3: Why does he keep missing all the shots last few games?

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Speaker 3: Maybe because he has an alien with like ten feet

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Speaker 3: the road home thing is what it has looked like.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if getting Giannis out of his headspace

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 1: I'm out with you on that. We'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not with you on that is because the road,

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Speaker 2: start making shots. So I understand it. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: Giannis Janni's decision making has been poor. Like I don't

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Speaker 1: It's on the bingo card, the Raheem Palmer Bingo card.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was starting to get to that point

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Speaker 1: Milton got two free throws for gone cork mass. How

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Speaker 1: matter what, I feel like, this is it because the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six Ers could not viably have Ben Simmons

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Speaker 3: Maybe James hard And they should trade Ben Simmons for

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Speaker 2: I mean I wanted to. I would have driven Ben

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Speaker 3: So Ben Simmons they sat on inside. After the game,

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Speaker 3: Ben Simmons missed ten free throws tonight. He's the first

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to note by the way. Just regarding

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Speaker 1: Fertita kept interjecting into those trade negotiations and kept being like, okay,

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, how do you approach this series going forward?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Sixers are obviously the better team, but

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Speaker 2: what do you do in Game six?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Hawks are minus one sixty at bet MGM

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Speaker 3: And I think it's right. Like I told you, I

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Speaker 3: side of it. Yeah, when Embiid looks good and the

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Speaker 3: by far the better team, to the point that, like

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Speaker 3: I think, Matt, you and I both like half checked

432
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: out of this game. Yeah. I was like, oh, sweet,

433
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: chance to get a little work done, get some notes

434
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Speaker 3: ready for the podcast. All right, I'll just keep this

435
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: out in the background. And I was like adding notes. See,

436
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: this is why I don't trust the Sixers, because they're

437
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: getting extra mileage on Joel now, They're gonna have to

438
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: play him a few extra fourth quarter minutes now because

439
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: the Hawks are hanging around just enough. And then with

440
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: like five minutes left, I was like, you know, maybe

441
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: I'll turn the volume up a little bit and pay

442
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: a little bit more attention again here, and I'll have

443
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: to go back and watch the second half again tomorrow

444
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 3: because I missed a lot of the fun along the way.

445
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, I was making dinner after they got

446
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: up by however many, and I was like all right,

447
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: Like it was like twenty four and I was like,

448
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: all right, whatever. So I was making dinner and then yeah,

449
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing other stuff and I'm talking to my wife

450
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I look covered like, oh hey,

451
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: it's eight. Wow. Good for the Hawks for getting back

452
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: into this game. And there was a part of you

453
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: that was like, the Sixers just can't shake this team,

454
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: like they just they just can't put him away. Here's

455
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: the other thing I'll say. If you can't beat this

456
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: Hawks team, yeah, yeah, you're not getting out of the

457
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: East right. Nope, no, sir, But you can think whatever

458
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: you want. Chris Middleton will tear that drop coverage up

459
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: just as much as Trey Young has. Drew Holliday will

460
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: tear that drop coverage up just the same And Giannis

461
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: is a whole lot better of a wing than some

462
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: of the guys. Here's here's a good example of the

463
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: problem that the Sixers have. Okay, second half tonight. In

464
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: the second half, Danil Gallinari plays thirteen minutes thirty four seconds,

465
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: including in the fourth quarter. Uh he plays ten minutes

466
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: and fifty three seconds. Okay, Now Gala goes two of two.

467
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: He hits like that fade away post up that was

468
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: like a dagger.

469
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: Right.

470
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: He scores five points in the fourth quarter. Is a

471
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: plus twenty. Lou Williams did most of most of the

472
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Speaker 1: work with twenty three that in that fourth right. But

473
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Gallo's been shredded in every playoff game

474
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: he's played this postseason, even the Knicks. We're tearing him

475
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: to pieces. And you don't have anyone that can get

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: getting dan Neil Gallinari involved in pick and roll and

477
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: attack him. You can't. You can't play the Nilo Gallinari

478
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: off the floor. They ran you with Lou Williams and Gallo. Yeah,

479
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how you come back from that. I'll

480
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: just say that, I don't know how you come back

481
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: from that.

482
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Speaker 2: I mean to me, it was just so frustrating because

483
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: it was so obvious what Lou Williams was doing every

484
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: single time down the floor, and Dwight Howard was just

485
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: caught and drop coverage and he's just you know how

486
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: Lou Williams goes to his life and he is that

487
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: jumper and he did it, you know, four or five

488
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: possessions in a row, and I'm just like, Yo, this

489
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: is really, really, really trouble. And you know, I'm frustrated

490
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: because I had the Atlanta Hawks team total under one

491
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: oh eight and a half. I also had some one

492
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: O nine and some one eleven that I grabbed live,

493
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: but I actually gave it out on an action network.

494
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of people are pissed at me.

495
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: But it's just like the Hawks literally had to had

496
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: to shoot seventy eight percent in the fourth quarter in

497
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: order to hit that, And it's just there was no

498
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: adjustment on defense like this one thing for the offense

499
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: to struggle. You can't allow this Hawks team to do

500
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: that on the row. Like I just I'm sorry, I'm angry.

501
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the big you know what the

502
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: big absence here was was Danny Green. Yeah kidding, because

503
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: if you go back and you actually look at if

504
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: you if you break it down, there's a great site

505
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: called Popcornmachine dot net that you can actually look at

506
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: the runs that each team goes on. The Sixers absolutely

507
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: cratered when Tyble came in. They ran Embiid Curry, Simmons, Toby,

508
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: and then they had Tible in for cork Mas and

509
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: that's when everything fell apart. Like they tried like mixing

510
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: up some other stuff. They had Shake Milton in there

511
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: for Simmons and like went back to went back to

512
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: Simmons but like Tible played the majority and that was

513
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: just a big part of it. Like they tried to

514
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: balance the defense in the offense, you needed one more

515
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: shock creator out there. You're gonna have to get buckets

516
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: to stem the tide, like you need the buckets to

517
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: stem the momentum. I know, Rahiem, you think of the

518
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: same thing I am, which is about that better that

519
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: was like made waves on social media the bet MGM,

520
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: better that bet the Hawks to win the conference, Like

521
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I mean, look, everybody's dead to hurt.

522
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's heads are everybody's heads are falling off, So yeah,

523
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I can't roll it out.

524
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how the Hawks win the next round though,

525
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: who knows. The way that guys are going down, who knows.

526
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: And Hawks are a quality team, Like they're not just

527
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: gonna roll over whoever they're playing if they get to

528
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: the next round, Like they're gonna put up a fight.

529
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: We know that by now, but they're gonna be severely outmanned.

530
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: But man, this was this was a bad, bad loss.

531
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the problem, the problem if you want to

532
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: take the Sixers to win even just the series. We

533
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: know right now, we know that the Sixers look great

534
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: and win when Joel Embiid plays great. That's the thing.

535
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: That's the thing we've seen all series. But there's no

536
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: margin for era left. You need four great Joel Embiid halves.

537
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: That's how the Sixers win the series. If you get three,

538
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: if they lose one half, if Joel Embiid has one

539
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: more bad half, you're out and the Sixers are done.

540
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: And we know, like he look great today, then you

541
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: look fine today. But you never know how that's gonna

542
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: show up any given day. And all you gotta do

543
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: is have one bad half from Embiid. They can look

544
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: invincible again for another game and a half, and you

545
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: go one bad half if you're done.

546
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking this up right now on Killer Sports Game six,

547
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: where you've lost the last two and you're a road favorite,

548
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: those teams are two and one. It was the Mavericks

549
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: versus the Trailblazers in two thousand and two, the Knicks

550
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: beat the Celtics in twenty twelve, and the Bulls beat

551
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the Bucks in twenty and fourteen.

552
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: We're really reaching back in time if we're taking Nicks

553
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: wins in the playoffs, and I'm.

554
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Pretty sure that this is I'm pretty sure this is like.

555
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: That.

556
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Those are Yeah, those were all first round series.

557
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: Wow wow Wow.

558
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: So the Sixers are in some uncomfortable territory here and

559
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: I have to figure out a way out of it.

560
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'll just ask you, Brandon, like, do

561
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: you want about the Hawks? Now?

562
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: No.

563
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: I think that the series price is about right, so

564
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: I don't see a ton of value on either side

565
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: of it. I think if I was gonna play it,

566
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at it yet, but I think that

567
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: might play. You said Philadelphia is favored at Atlanta in

568
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: Game six line out, so I think, to me, that's

569
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: the play. I think if Atlanta wins, I think Game

570
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: six is the far more likely spot to win. You know,

571
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: they've shown they can go back to Philly and win.

572
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 3: But I think if I want to play the Hawks,

573
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna play the series line. I'm probably

574
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 3: gonna play the game six money line and just go

575
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: for it there. So I might look at that one.

576
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: I think the series line is about right though, and

577
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: so I don't know that there's a ton of value

578
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: on it.

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Speaker 1: Do you trust here's a question, Do you guys trust

580
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the Sixers team in game seven, or they gotta make shots.

581
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: They've lost two at home to the Hawks.

582
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: I don't do we trust the Hawks in Game seven?

583
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Do I want to trust teams that have more shot makers?

584
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Which team has more shot makers?

585
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's an easy one.

586
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the Hawks. I mean the Hawks obviously

587
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: have it.

588
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: But like, like, Bogdanovich is a guy I'm looking at

589
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: in Game seven, being like he's he's the guy that

590
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I would.

591
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: Trusty Bogdanovich, who literally watched the entire comeback tonight. They

592
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: didn't even need him and still made the comeback and

593
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: one Anyways, yep, to me, the takeaway from tonight and

594
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: we'll get we'll get to the other series in the second.

595
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: To me, I don't know that I feel like tonight

596
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: created the Sixers or Jazz chances of moving on in

597
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: the series. I do think that tonight was devastating to

598
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: the Sixers and the Jazz chances of winning a title

599
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: this year. I think that, like Rahim, you talk all

600
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: the time about what it does to get to a

601
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: Game seven and get out of it and move on,

602
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: And that's what both these teams are facing now is

603
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: back to back elimination game they have to win which

604
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: is always a tough, tough task to do, and then

605
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: they have to come in half of a game seven

606
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: and still have two more series to go. So I

607
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: don't think that it's over, because everything changes every second

608
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: in the NBA right now, but I think that the

609
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: loss for both of the one seats tonight absolutely cratered

610
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: their title chances.

611
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jazz Clippers. All right, Kawhi Leonard.

612
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: This morning news comes out, not gonna play. Then news

613
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: comes out from Sean's Franny of the Athletic that it's

614
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: an acl quote injury, doesn't say tear, says it's an injury.

615
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: All I've been able to hear is just from people

616
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: around the league that they're just like, it doesn't sound good.

617
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: That's all that they'll talk about. Now. The postgame comments

618
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I think are pretty notable. This is Paul George about

619
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: five minutes ago. It was a tough blow, but at

620
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's a positive. He can

621
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: get some rest, he's got a new baby boy here,

622
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: lots of love for him and his family are season

623
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: is alive because of his shouldering all the work that

624
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: he's done. So we got to hold it together. That

625
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: does not sound like a man that thinks that Kawhi

626
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: Leonard is going to be returning anytime.

627
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: See in game six, buddy, We'll see you there.

628
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Wow.

629
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Now, Reggie Jackson said, we got to hold it down

630
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: till Kawhi comes back. So you know the question. So honestly,

631
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: part of my think thought process is like, well, Kawhi

632
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: may have just texted Paul George told like, that's that's

633
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: I happened.

634
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: Maybe Paul George's friends with Uncle Dennis.

635
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: There's there's no everyone was confused by the training of

636
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: tweet because there's no follow up. It says, just as injury, right,

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: if it's an a c L, the only things that

638
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: can be are I've never I don't think I've ever

639
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: heard of a strained a CL. So a sprain is

640
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: a small terror, A torn is a big terror. If

641
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: it's a big terearor it's over, I can't Like this

642
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: is the other thing. We talked about this in our slack.

643
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: There's no way that he plays on a slightly torn AZL. Yeah,

644
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Like that's not that's not happening. He's there's no way

645
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the odds of it suffering another injury, whether in another

646
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: part of his body or exacerbating that one are too high.

647
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's done of all people too. Like it's

648
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: not like Kawhi plays through these things like and I

649
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: mean that has a shot at him either, Like he

650
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: was great on that Toronto round. He played through a lot,

651
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: but like Kawhi doesn't play through like he takes his

652
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: taking care of his body seriously.

653
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: I mean, he's had a degeneratorship QUI issue and I

654
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: think that's been the biggest issue since twenty and seventeen.

655
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: That's held him out of all these games. And you

656
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: know he's putting stress on his legs and it's causing

657
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: other issues. So I don't expect to see Kawhi again

658
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: this year, even if the Clippers find the way to

659
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: make it a the NBA Final.

660
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I didn't cash out of all of my Clippers futures.

661
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: I cashed out of most of my Clippers futures.

662
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: Like a loss, mine's are in, they're in. And I

663
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: mean if I lost, I lost to me. I just

664
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: I look at it like this, if I got the

665
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: best of it, I feel good about it. And I

666
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: felt like I made a sound decision and I can

667
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: live with that.

668
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: I see that's why I admire about you, man. It's

669
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: like you're the type of better that's like, No, I'm like,

670
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I made the right decision. I got the money and

671
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: I'll live with the consequences. Versus I'm like.

672
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: Well, what can I get out of this? Still?

673
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: What can I say?

674
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: And here's the thing is that the Clipper's going to

675
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: win the title. I'm gona feel like an idiot, you know.

676
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: But and that's why I didn't. I didn't withdraw all.

677
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, I don't Here's what I can't

678
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: figure out is on the last episode we talked about this.

679
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: If it souns Clippers, I like the Clippers, If it

680
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: souns as I like the Suns, I don't know how

681
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: to do the equation if it's Sun's Clippers without Kawhi

682
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: and with CP three being an help and safety protocol.

683
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: But let's we'll get there in a second, All right, tonight,

684
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: no Kawhi road game Game five, Clippers walk in there

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: and playoff pe Paul George steps up, takes over thirty

686
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: seven points, drops the hammer. Reggie Jackson cooks the defensive

687
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: player of the Year, Terrence man yams all over the

688
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: defensive player and the Clippers walk out with a Game

689
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: five victory with a chance to close it out in

690
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Game six back at Staples. Impressive victory, Rahie, what do

691
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: you think about it? Like, where do we go from here?

692
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. When I watched

693
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: that first half and the Jazz had made every single three,

694
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean they were seventeen or thirty from three, shooting

695
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: fifty six percent, and we're up five, it was like,

696
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: really really concerning. And I think the thing when I

697
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: looked at this game, I felt like without Kawhi Leonard,

698
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: the small ball lineup that the Clippers played, I didn't

699
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: think it was gonna be as effective. I thought Rudy

700
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: go Bart was gonna be able to, you know, make

701
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: his mark on this game in this series. And Terrence

702
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: Mins stepped in and he provided the energy, and you

703
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: know this, this small ball lineup was just as dangerous

704
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: without Kawhi as it was with him. So I just

705
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it.

706
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: So I think a couple of things won. I'm really mad.

707
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: So I watched the first half and then I go

708
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: to put my daughter to bed and I read her

709
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: story and we do Puppets. Yes, I did puppets, that's right.

710
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of it. I do a great koala voice.

711
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm in the dark waiting for halftime, and she's nodding off,

712
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: and I see I got Clippers plus eight after that

713
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: shooting performance. So I grabbed Clippers plus eight, didn't put

714
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: it in the app, and I forgot to do it.

715
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I but here's the worst part. I grabbed Jazz money

716
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: line a line line later, and I made sure to

717
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: put that one in the app.

718
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

719
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: Like I did that one for less. Like I put

720
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: a lot more on Clippers plus ao at heavy on

721
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: Clippers plus eight and a half.

722
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing. I actually put in Clippers money

723
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: line because they were up six points in the third

724
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: quarter and they were still getting like plus one thirty.

725
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I'm going all in because

726
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: I just I have to take it.

727
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: So, if we're talking about things we didn't get in

728
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: the app, one of us here just hitting eleven to

729
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: one parlay and forgot to log it into the app earlier,

730
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: so it the article.

731
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: At least you did the article that yeah, all right,

732
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: and your props are killing it so much. Your your

733
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: your profile still looks great. Funny. Thanks for Reggie Jackson

734
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: assists by the way. So look, we knew that the

735
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: switch was going to cause the Jazz problems. The jazz

736
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: fans are gonna say that it's Mike Conley, and I

737
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: think it's fair, like Mitchell's not one hundred percent and

738
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Mike Conley is not great either at the same time,

739
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and Mike Conley announced is obviously a problem. Like I'm

740
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: with them, I understand that, but I'm also just like

741
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: they don't have Kawhi Leonard, Like the Clippers did not

742
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: have Kawhi Leonard and you still lost at home. They

743
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: can't you make them if you switch everything and you

744
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: space them out. I just don't know if the Jazz

745
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, I wasn't surprised at that regression. It

746
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: was interesting at half, you know, I bet that the

747
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Clippers because I was like, it's plus eight and the

748
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: Jazz shot so well and they're only at five. But

749
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: like I was worried that. I was just like, is

750
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: this gonna be one that we always talking about this?

751
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: How do you bet the regression? You know, like the

752
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Jazz could have just shot the lights out and I

753
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: just to come out and hit a bunch of shots

754
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: and I knocked him down. With the Jazz are gonna

755
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: hang in this series because they can hit so many

756
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: damn threes.

757
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is they weren't stopping the Clippers either. Yeah,

758
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: so's it's like that's the key thing. And then Derek

759
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: Favors has just been like, I have no idea why

760
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: he's still getting minutes, Like I'm seth park now, you know.

761
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: He he tweeted out like the Jazz have one hundred

762
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: and forty three defensive rating with Favors stole on the floor.

763
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: So it's here. Here's my counter on that, though. I

764
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta mention this. Okay, Okay, I'm not saying

765
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: Favors is good because he's not right, but that's sixty

766
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: three minutes versus one hundred and seventy two for go Beart,

767
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: all right. The Clippers are playing small ball. They're they're

768
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: giving you size, they are giving you. They're saying, hey,

769
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: if you could be this inside and nothing we can

770
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: do about it, we got it. We're playing small versus you.

771
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: The Jazz offense of rating with Rudy Gobert on the

772
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: floor in the series is one to eleven point five,

773
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: which is beneath their one fourteen for the series. They're

774
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: getting absolutely mauled defensively when Favors is on the court.

775
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: But I always talk about this, You're gonna lose those minutes,

776
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: like you're probably you're either your bench is gonna win

777
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: you minutes or your starters are gonna win you minutes.

778
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: And with the Jazz, you need your starters to win

779
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: your minutes. Like, you can't win this series if you're like, oh,

780
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: we have to win the margins with Rudy Gobert or

781
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: with Derek Favors. No, Like, you gotta win, like you

782
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: have two All Stars and the defensive player of the

783
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: year that every analytics wonk in the world tells me

784
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: is the best player on this Jazz team and one

785
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: of the most impactful offensive players in the league and

786
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, which I buy the numbers, But

787
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: the overestimation of Rudy Gobert is a problem because versus

788
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: a small team, there is nothing he can do to

789
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: influence that team. He got those offensive rebounds nine, the

790
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: Clippers were like, oh, well that's too bad, let's go

791
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: down ahead another three. Yeah, he's no threat. He got

792
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: the ball twice. Couldn't do anything with it. Nothing, nothing,

793
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: you know.

794
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: You know.

795
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: The troubling thing that I've realized, like watching it tonight

796
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: without Kawhi Leonard, is that the Jazz might have six

797
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: playable guys.

798
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like you say six, I'm not

799
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: sure roy O'Neil makes that cut.

800
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: Come on, I got it, he makes the cut. But

801
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: it's just like, I mean, well, you have six playable

802
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: guys and you're All Star, All defensive center. It's getting

803
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: kind of played off the floor. It's you're really in

804
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: a rough note.

805
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll said this, He's not getting played off

806
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: the floor, right because like they're able to they can

807
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: keep him on the court. They just can't win with

808
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: They can't win either way. They don't have they don't

809
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: have another option. They don't have a small ball five,

810
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Like they need to go to a small ball five

811
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: and they can't. They don't have an option.

812
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, they refuse to do it. I mean we literally

813
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: that the Jazz traded Tony Bradley this year, their third

814
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: center that they always wanted to have just in case,

815
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: and then they spent their first round pick on Udoka Azubukie,

816
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: who by the way you never heard of because he's

817
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: not playing right now, because he's another giant center. Like

818
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: this is what they're committed to. Then they don't do

819
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: small ball. They don't have that. Like the system is

820
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: play Gobert or Favors or as a bookie or whoever

821
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: at center. That's it. That's what we play.

822
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: So series line Jazz plus one fifty Clippers minus one

823
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: eighty five.

824
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so I've been the Jazz guy on this podcast.

825
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: On the last podcast or two, I jumped out on

826
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: the Jazz. I'm jumping back in series only. I think

827
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: that this is great value on the Jazz. I put

828
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: this series at about a coin flip right now because

829
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: I think that the Clippers without Kawhi Leonard are I mean,

830
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: we saw the Clippers play many times this year with

831
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: just Kawhi or just Paul George and their other guys.

832
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: We know that that worked. You know, they they held

833
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: up their record just fine. We know that that's not

834
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: like a terrible team. Paul George, he plays like you

835
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: did tonight. We know that that team can hold up.

836
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: But we've talked about Okay, the Jazz can't stop anyone.

837
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 3: They can't stop the Clippers. Well, why is it that

838
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 3: the Jazz can't stop the Clippers, but the Jazz got

839
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: hot in the first half, Like, why are we giving

840
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: credit to the Clippers offense and then discrediting the Jazz

841
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: offense when it's a lot of the same shooting regression.

842
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: Like at one point about halfway through the second quarter,

843
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: the Jazz were fifteen of twenty two on threes sixty

844
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: eight percent, which is absurd and clearly unsustainable. But the Clippers,

845
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: we're sixty two percent at the time, which is equally

846
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 3: unsustainable and equally why the Clippers were still right there

847
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: in the game that whole time. What happened after that

848
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: is the Jazz finished five of thirty two from then

849
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: forward at sixteen percent. And even then, the Jazz looked

850
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: like they were about to win a couple of times

851
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: before the Clippers, like Reggie Jackson made a couple huge

852
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: plays down the stretch and Paul George made a couple

853
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: huge plays. But there were multiple times in that quarter

854
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: when it looked like the Jazz were going to come

855
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: back and finish the job off. Here's how I see

856
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 3: the series playing out from here. Game six I think

857
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: is going to be a great game. They're going back

858
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: to Staples. They're going to have a home crowd, They're

859
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: going to be into it. And I think that the

860
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: Clippers know Game six is Game seven. The Clippers don't

861
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: want to go back to Utah. That Utah crowd has

862
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: been a huge and benefactor all series. The Clippers know

863
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: that with no Kohi, that Games six is when they

864
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: have to do it. I think it's gonna come down

865
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: to the wire. I think Utah can pull off the win.

866
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: If they do, we go back to Utah and I

867
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: think we see one of those Game sevens that we

868
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: forget about where it's like kind of close for a while,

869
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: it stays around till half, and then the home team

870
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: that's the deeper team that has more energy that's lifted

871
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: by the crowd, goes on one of those big third

872
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: quarter runs and then the Jazz win by like twenty

873
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: five in Game seven, and the Clippers just ran out

874
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 3: of gas without their their superstar player. I think that's

875
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 3: the series that we're playing out from here, and I

876
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: think the Jazz are a really good price at where

877
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: we're getting them right now.

878
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 2: Rain I just I struggle with that just because they're

879
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: so dependent on Donovan, Like, it's really six guys, Like

880
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: the Clippers are actually the deeper.

881
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue with you on this. Yeah, is Donovan,

882
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: it's Rudy, Yeah, Bogdanovich, it's angles. Who else do you

883
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: feel good about? I mean, I don't feel good about Clarkson.

884
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: Royce O'Neal is getting cooked on both ends.

885
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm giving him credit for Clarkson and Roys O'Neil like,

886
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: because I mean, I definitely don't want to play Nang

887
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: and Ony like those guys when they step on the court.

888
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: It's just the Clippers are feasted, so I'm giving them credit.

889
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Isn't maybe the move just is the move? Just like

890
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: wait till game six? If Conley's announced in Hammer of

891
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: the Jazz, isn't that.

892
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I think Conley is gonna play, don't

893
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: you think so? Like this this is the season, and

894
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: I feel like the move has been that they kind

895
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: of keep waiting, Like how many games in a row

896
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: have you woken up on a Jazz game day thinking

897
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: that there was a decent chance Conley might play that

898
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: day and then the news came out and you're like, oh,

899
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: actually no, No.

900
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean I think the thing is, if you want

901
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: to approach it from that angle, you need to just

902
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: bet the Jazz now, because this line isn't going down

903
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: under any circumstances based on their desperation factor. And if

904
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: Conley gets announced in, the line is probably gonna move

905
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: a half a point or so.

906
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: And if Kawhi gets to announced like torn Acl definitely out,

907
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: the line's gonna move away from from the Jazz too.

908
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's I think it's

909
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: priced in now.

910
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know that it is though,

911
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: because at bet MGM right now, right now live, Kawhi

912
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: Leonard is the sixth favorite to be the finals MVP.

913
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's no cost of the book to have that.

914
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're basically they're basically free rolling people.

915
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's no liability there.

916
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: But if they think that he's definitely not playing, wouldn't

917
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: they want to boost the line a little more and

918
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: try to entice more money to come in on that.

919
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: It's not even a great line for him right now.

920
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I just don't even know if they've removed it, Like,

921
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't. I think you're you're giving.

922
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: Him too much credit. Like sometimes these books are completely

923
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: sleep at the will, Like there's been times at bet

924
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: MGM where the game has started but they haven't taken

925
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: down the series price.

926
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: Not that we don't appreciate bett MGM, the official OS

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Speaker 2: Network, right hem, I'm sorry.

929
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: So no, I just don't think that's that's a thing.

930
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: And so I don't think the line moves. I think

931
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: it's priced in. I don't think they expect him to play.

932
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I think I want to, like, look, if Conley's in,

933
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: I can be talked into it. I don't think you

934
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: should betting the jazz assuming that Conley's gonna play, because

935
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: here's the problem is, like he knows if he goes

936
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: too early, it's just gonna pop again. Like this is

937
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: a hamstring. This is what happens. We saw it with Harden.

938
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: I don't even like to approach it by betting if

939
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: Conley is gonna play, because he could almost be a negative.

940
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Right.

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00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,680
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Speaker 3: Do we do you guys think let's say that, whether

972
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: Conley plays or not, the Jazz go on the road

973
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: and pull out a Game six win. I think we

974
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 3: can all agree that that's at least an entirely plausible thing.

975
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: Now we're going back to Utah for Game seven. What

976
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: percentage chances are you giving the Clippers of let's say

977
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: Conley's out, Kawhi is out. So just the teams we

978
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: had from tonight Game seven in Utah, what chance are

979
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 3: you giving the Clippers to get the win?

980
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: Say again, run that on a over time.

981
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: Same lineups from tonight. Conley is out, Kawhi is out,

982
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: the Jazz win and forest game seven? What chance are

983
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: you giving the Clippers to go on the road at

984
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: Utah with the current team and win the game seven.

985
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: You're asking me if if I want to take Paul George,

986
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris Neck Patuma's played great a deeper roster,

987
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: or if I want to take Donovan Mitchell with a

988
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: very bad wheel who is very clearly injured, or if

989
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: I want to trust bog If I want to trust

990
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: boy On Bogdanovich and Joe Ingles with Rudy Gobert who

991
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: can't score on his own, what matchup do they have it? Like?

992
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: They're creating a lot of points off of keeping Mitchell down.

993
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Like this has been the model for the Clippers in

994
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: the series. They're basically putting two on ball constantly. It's

995
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: the same thing the Nuggets did. Like, if you actually

996
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: want to get into this series, this is the the

997
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: Clippers have copy what the Nuggets did to the Utah

998
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: last year. They put two on ball, and with Mitchell

999
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: already hobbled, they're wearing him down. You saw those fourth

1000
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: quarter attempts to night. They were garbage, Right, It gets

1001
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: harder to execute versus a blitz as the game goes on.

1002
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: You keep throwing two at him, and keep throwing two

1003
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: at him, and you're switching everything else and you're not

1004
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: worried about Golbert because he can't score on his own.

1005
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: So you're gonna give up some threes for sure. But

1006
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: that variance is gonna wind up. It's gonna hurt you.

1007
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: It's also gonna have things happen like the second half tonight.

1008
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: And if you're the Clippers, you feel good because you

1009
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: can get whatever you want. The big that's the big

1010
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: thing here is you can get whatever you want. The

1011
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Jazz can get one mechanism out of their complicated offense,

1012
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: their trigger mechanisms, and get one thing. The Clippers can

1013
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: pick and choose. And in a game seven, I'll take

1014
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Paul George and Reggie Jackson, those guys. I'll take those guys.

1015
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: If you think the Clippers are seventy percent to win

1016
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: on the road, then you have got to be like,

1017
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: quit selling your Clippers' futures. I think that that's the

1018
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: use Jazz. I would say the Jazz seventy win at

1019
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: home in game Sabath.

1020
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Do you trust? And that's in a game. It's a

1021
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: game seven, man, it's all about like who's gonna hit shots?

1022
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: Definitely, I trust I trust them they're the good team.

1023
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: I trust Mitchell, I trust Boyon to hit shots. I

1024
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 3: trust the Jazz. I trust them to be the good

1025
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: home team that we've seen. I'm just saying we can

1026
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: disagree on it.

1027
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: Did Brandon wake up and like just like he was?

1028
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: He a coma the last three years of Jazz playoff runs.

1029
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: If you think that the Clippers would be seventy percent.

1030
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 2: Walk that back. I'll give him.

1031
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: I'll walk that back fifty five percent.

1032
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: I'll walk If it really is seventy percent. You have

1033
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: to hammer this the Clips.

1034
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right.

1035
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: It's fifth.

1036
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: Look it's a game seven. It's a coin flip. Anyway,

1037
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I give the Clippers a little bit of an edge.

1038
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: They're not scared of that arena. They just walked in

1039
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: there and they beat them twice.

1040
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: They probably should have won game won, but he just

1041
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: ran out of gas.

1042
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Clippers are probably should have won. Like

1043
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: that's like in their franchise nickname, that's what the Clippers do.

1044
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: In the Clippers franchise history.

1045
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember ninety.

1046
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: Eight, Yeah, they made the Jazz made the finals. They

1047
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: were in the finals. The Clippers watched the finals. It's

1048
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: on their television, they can go watch the Lakers play

1049
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: the finals.

1050
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: After how can you have faith in this jazz team

1051
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: after what you saw on night? How can you have

1052
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: faith in them?

1053
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 3: I have faith in How many times have we seen

1054
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: the team whose star player goes down show up and

1055
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: get the gritty win one win, the one win they

1056
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: get when the team, like you, you preach this all

1057
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: the time.

1058
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Then you mentioned this, Give me the examples because I'm blanking,

1059
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: I really am. I genuinely am blanking.

1060
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: But I'm blanking on specific examples right now. But like,

1061
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 3: think of think of the times when the star goes

1062
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: down and the team that was favored playing the star

1063
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: lets down their guard a little bit because they're like,

1064
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: all right, we got this now Kauhi's out or coasting,

1065
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: and think of how the supporting cast shows up for

1066
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: the guy that's.

1067
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: Missing in the playoffs.

1068
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: You know what, I think that I think this is

1069
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: a different situation just because even without Kawhi Leonard, the

1070
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: Clippers have such a massive advantage at the wigs. They

1071
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: have like four wings in Paul George, Marcus Morris, Nicholas

1072
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: Too and Terrence Man that if you could put them

1073
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: on any other team, it's just like, I.

1074
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: Actually want to do this right now. Let's let's go

1075
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: through and rank the players in the series, because Mitchell

1076
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: is not one hundred percent. He's been the best player

1077
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: in the series the whole way, but as a series

1078
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: has gone on, he's got more. So we can agree

1079
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: Paul George is the best player in the series right now, right, yeah,

1080
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: without a doubt. All right, So Mitchell's two. Then Reggie Jackson, Yeah, no,

1081
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: he's been dead serious.

1082
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: Who he's been the second best player in the series.

1083
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: That's who he's been. Who's four? Who's four? Brandon?

1084
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm taking have you been watching the same series

1085
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: we've been watching. I agree with the top two, and

1086
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take like three or four jazz players and

1087
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: I'll start looking at clippers again. That's that's what I mean.

1088
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: Give me, give me the jazz, give me the jazz

1089
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: that you would take.

1090
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: All the jazz, like all the all the good players

1091
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: on the jazz. I'll take it there.

1092
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, is Marcus Morris playing on

1093
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: if he's on the jazz, is he playing over over

1094
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: several of these guys?

1095
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: Over Roy O'Neill. Maybe, But I don't know I might

1096
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: I would rather rather have him or Jolian Joe Ingles.

1097
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: Why because he's better and he's not gonna like shoot

1098
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: fifteen times because he feels like playing ioball for a while.

1099
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: He's not going to poison the locker room.

1100
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Sure, No, I agree with you that. I agree with

1101
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: you on that. That's Joe Ingles was a team Worse

1102
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: minus nine to night. By the way, so.

1103
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: That seventh Man of the Year Joe Ingles, seventh.

1104
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Man of the Year at Joe Ingles. No, I mean,

1105
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: and look, the Ingles go, but in reality, the Ingles go.

1106
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: Bear pick and roll is like really reliable. So part

1107
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: now talks about this all the time like it's a

1108
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: really reliable mechanique. My only problem is just like the

1109
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Jazz would take would take Morris, they would take like

1110
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: they would take Reggie Jackson right now, they would take

1111
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Terrence Mann right now, they would take a bunch of

1112
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: the Clippers. They need those guys. And if you ask,

1113
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: like the Clippers would take that probably like Bogdanovic, do

1114
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: they need Angles? I don't really think so. They don't

1115
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: need him, not that they don't. That's not that he's

1116
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: not better Brandon, it's that they don't need him.

1117
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: I do think Ingles would provide some playmaking for the

1118
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: Clippers they don't necessarily have.

1119
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, I'm not I'm not saying

1120
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: he's not He's hyper efficient. I'm more trying to point out,

1121
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: like this is all about the matchup. Oh yeah, got

1122
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: stuff where you're.

1123
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: Right about the matchup. And I just said it myself,

1124
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: like when we thought Kawhi was still playing, I just

1125
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: said the very last podcast we did that I was

1126
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: done with the jazz, that the Clippers had figured this

1127
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: out and we're getting better each game. The problem is,

1128
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: we took thirty eight minutes from Kawhi off the table

1129
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: and now we're giving them to Terrence Man, Luke Canard

1130
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: and Patrick Beverly. And that's like that they solved the

1131
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: math problem tonight. They made it work. But thirty eight

1132
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: minutes of the best player in the playoffs. Now we're

1133
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: giving those thirty eight to Man and Canard and Beverly.

1134
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: And I don't know how are the rankings going on

1135
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: the players Man, Canard and Beverly at the bottom of them.

1136
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I would put Man up there. I'd rather have

1137
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: Terrence Man. The Royce on Neil.

1138
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: I'll take Terrence man over Jordan Clarkson, but I'll take

1139
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: most people who Jordan Clarkson.

1140
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Clarson is their sixth best player. What are we

1141
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: feel like that that's the whole point? Man? Like, like Terrence,

1142
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: this is the thing like listen to you really got

1143
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: to start looking at because it seems like the Jazz

1144
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: have all these guys, Brandon. The problem is that they

1145
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: all do the same things and it's all built on

1146
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: the system. Because this is part of it. This has

1147
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: been a big part of the series. So I looked

1148
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: at this. I'm gonna look at the final numbers on

1149
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: this twenty Yeah, who hit more three pointers tonight? Brandon.

1150
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: The Clipper has ended up with more and shot a

1151
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: better percentage too, or at least shot a better percentage.

1152
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Maybe the Jazz had more because of volume.

1153
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: I forget the Jazz.

1154
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: The Jazz hit four more threes, Brandon.

1155
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: But the Jazz finished I think at thirty seven percent.

1156
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: The percentage doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in the math game.

1157
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: If it doesn't, if you don't wind up out pacing

1158
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: like it's more important to get more three pointers because

1159
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: the added point on all those that's the whole concept

1160
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: of EFG. But this is but this has been the

1161
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: issue with this whole series. So I did this a

1162
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: whole thing for today. Brandon I was talking about historically,

1163
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: what happens when a team gets outshot from three point range,

1164
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: right when the other team makes more three pointers. It's

1165
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: basically like seventy percent win rate when you hit more threes.

1166
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: But not in this series. It hasn't gone that way.

1167
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: The Jazz are hitting more threes, which is all their

1168
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: offense is built to do. All those guys that you

1169
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: like on this list, they're all built to do that,

1170
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: and they're losing anyway.

1171
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: So here's my question. The Jazz I mentioned this before

1172
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: the Jazz finished the game. From the middle of the

1173
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: second quarter till the end, they shot five of thirty

1174
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: two sixteen percent on threes. I think we agree if

1175
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: they hit even one more of those, then the entire

1176
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: game plays out differently down the stretch because of that swing.

1177
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: So any number of all those shots and the game

1178
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: was close down near the end, let's say that rewind

1179
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: an hour or two, the Jazz pulled it off, they

1180
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: got the win. How are you feeling about the series?

1181
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: Are you like it doesn't matter. The Clippers are way better.

1182
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 3: They're the better team. They're going to win the last

1183
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: two games. I'm still all in the Clippers. I just

1184
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: feel like we are drawing these broad, sweeping conclusions on

1185
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: because the Clippers won a coin flip game by hitting

1186
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: the shots in the last few minutes, and like we're

1187
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: zoomed in so far right now, because what we saw

1188
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: tonight and what we've seen so far in the series

1189
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: is two teams that are very evenly matched. The series

1190
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: is darn near tied, but one of the teams just

1191
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: lost the playoff m VP right now, that's what I'm seeing.

1192
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm seeing two teams. Fine, they lost a playoff m

1193
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 3: VP a couple of games.

1194
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: I'll say you what, you're compelling enough to where I'm

1195
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: not going to be the Clippers.

1196
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like saving you some money.

1197
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be the Clippers. I just think that

1198
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: you're falling for the trap that everyone falls into. The

1199
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: Quants always fall into where they trust the Utah's system,

1200
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: even though it doesn't replicate itself in the playoffs. They're

1201
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: also like here's here's like part of it. They're just

1202
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: they're so susceptible to variance. Anytime you shoot that much,

1203
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a Rockets problem.

1204
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1205
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: What's funny is that as this game was playing out

1206
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: and the Jazz were hitting all their million shots in

1207
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: the first like eighteen minutes of the game, I literally

1208
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: wrote where let me see in my notes here, Literally

1209
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: in my notes, the Jazz are like, what if the

1210
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: Houston Rocket, what if the hard and the Rockets played

1211
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: defense too? And then the Jazz went out and missed

1212
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: seven hundred threes in a row. And I was like, oh, yeah,

1213
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: that's kind of like the Rockets too.

1214
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, let's also be clear they don't play defense either.

1215
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: That's not a thing. They're getting killed. But because I mean,

1216
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: even like I have a big Jazz supporter in my life,

1217
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: and even he was like, because he's defending Rudy Gobert

1218
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: to me, and he's like, look at their wing defenders.

1219
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: They're so bad. And he's right, Like I fought that.

1220
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: I fought that narrative. He's right, they can't. Donovan's with

1221
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: a bad wheel, they're targeting him. Royce can't do anything,

1222
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: Bogdanovic is useless. Eagles is fine, but like they're not

1223
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: a good defensive team. In the playoffs, they're not, so

1224
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: we're they're the Rockets.

1225
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay to transition us at least a little bit.

1226
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have.

1227
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: The one team that we have yet to talk about

1228
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: today is the team that I think was today's big winner. Somehow.

1229
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: They woke up this morning to news that Chris Paul

1230
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: was in the COVID protocols and ended the day I

1231
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: think as the big winners of the day. The Phoenix Suns,

1232
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: I think might be the title favorites right now with

1233
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: the way that today's results played out.

1234
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: So Western Conference, they are the new favorites of bet

1235
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: MGM minus one thirty fives to win the Western Conference.

1236
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: So the Songs right now, at the very least they

1237
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: they Here are the scenarios. Either the Clippers win this

1238
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: in Game six and now the Suns, for a third

1239
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: straight series, get to play a team missing a super

1240
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: super star player. That's one scenario. Or it goes to

1241
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: Game seven and now they get to play the Jazz

1242
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: off the seven game series with both of their best

1243
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: guards playing through injuries. Ye, Or it goes to game

1244
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: seven and they get the Clippers without Kawhi Leonard like that,

1245
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: All three scenarios are real good and the game seven

1246
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: scenario solves the Chris Paul COVID protocol issue at least

1247
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 3: helps with it, gives a couple extra days, and then

1248
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 3: when you get to the finals, if they get there,

1249
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: there is a much lower chance now than there was

1250
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: a few hours ago that the Sixers are there. I

1251
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I'd definitely rather play the

1252
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: Hawks than the Sixers if I got to the finals,

1253
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: and the Bucks are really good and quite healthy, maybe

1254
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 3: the healthiest team left. Right now, they're down three games

1255
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 3: to two. I feel like the Suns should be feeling

1256
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: pretty good right now.

1257
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the lace on CV three is basically

1258
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: what heard is there's an assumption that the one test

1259
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: that was tested positive was Paul that hasn't been confirmed

1260
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: he's in health and safety protocols. Is then confirmed that

1261
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: he's justested positive. Uh. Jalen Rose did report, not report.

1262
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Rose said on ESPN that he got the vaccine,

1263
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 1: that he was vaccinated. I have no reason to believe

1264
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: that he wasn't vaccinated. I don't have a record of

1265
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: like them holding a team vaccination event or whatever that

1266
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: there was no social media post I can find. But

1267
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: my assumption is that is that Paul was vaxed, which

1268
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: is helpful for both symptoms management and transmission and everything else.

1269
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna reevaluate him on Saturday. That's gonna be pretty

1270
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: telling if this series does go seven, which I do

1271
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: think it's pretty likely. Like Brandon's talked me into the

1272
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: fact that you just can't count on the Clippers to

1273
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: take care of business at home, like that would be

1274
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: idea that the problem is. Like I don't think now

1275
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: it's the time that you bet the Suns because of

1276
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: what you talked about. There's still a very good chance

1277
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: the Sons are Probably are the Suns. Here's a genuine question,

1278
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: right him, I don't know, are the Sun's face versus

1279
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: the Clippers without Kawhi?

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Speaker 2: Yes, they have home court, okay, all right, and the rest.

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Speaker 1: So what we hope for is we hope the Jazz,

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Speaker 1: that Brandon's Utah Jazz win the next two games, they

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Speaker 1: make the conference finals, and then we hammer Sons in

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Speaker 1: the conference finals. That's what we do because then they'll

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Speaker 1: have to be dogs. They only move to favorites tonight

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Speaker 1: because the Cliper the Jazz are expected to lose because

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Speaker 1: they're down three two, So.

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Speaker 2: There's so many other variables because we don't know if

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Speaker 2: Chris Paul is playing game one, Like, there's so many

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Speaker 2: things that can shift this that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, the biggest thing here is like one,

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Speaker 1: you hope Chris is okay first off, but of course

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Speaker 1: you know if well, we'll probably hear tomorrow if you

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Speaker 1: said may be symptomatic, We'll probably hear tomorrow about like

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Speaker 1: what the situation is. But I would say, like, even

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Speaker 1: though they were the big winners today, I would you

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Speaker 1: guys agree with me, now is not the time to

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Speaker 1: bet them.

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Speaker 3: I disagree because I think I think when you when

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Speaker 3: you see.

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Speaker 1: A much you got too much unstability here, Brandon, Like

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Speaker 1: what about the versus symptomatic?

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to rationalize in the year of

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Speaker 3: COVID pandemic just shrugging off the COVID pandemic thing. I

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain that away. I can't explain

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 3: that away. But I think that that at least some

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Speaker 3: is being factored into the probabilities right now, and that

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Speaker 3: that at least some is inflating the odds. That the

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Speaker 3: Suns are plus four hundred right now to win the title,

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Speaker 3: which is the second favorite that's at better.

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Speaker 2: I think they're plus three. They're plus three fifty right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well they were plus four hundred about two hours ago,

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: so other people are also betting the Suns and the

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Speaker 3: number has dropped in the last couple of hours. I

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Speaker 3: would put the Suns and the Nets about even odds,

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Speaker 3: around like twenty five ish percent, which would put them

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Speaker 3: at plus three hundred. So I won't be betting the

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Speaker 3: Nets right now because they are lower than that. But

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Speaker 3: I think that there's still some value on the Sun.

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Speaker 3: If it's dropped a three fifty, then maybe I'm not

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Speaker 3: rushing to bet it. Maybe I wait a little bet

1322
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Speaker 3: because at three fifty versus four hundred, some of the

1323
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Speaker 3: values not there anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to wait till I know what's going

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Speaker 1: on with CV three, and I want to wait with

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Speaker 1: the Jazz and if I can get the Jazz.

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Speaker 2: But I just think this late in this season, you

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Speaker 2: can find value just betting the series itself. And then like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what would you make the Suns against the

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Speaker 2: Nets or the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: I would have them probably something like plus one forty

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Speaker 3: one fifty somewhere in there. Like I think that they

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Speaker 3: would be a slight underdog.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be big. They're gonna be big dogs to

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Speaker 1: the Yet I think they're gonna be bigger than net

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Speaker 1: against the nets. I would say, like maybe like plus

1337
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Speaker 1: two hundred to bus two twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I think they'd be bigger than that against the nets

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Speaker 3: if the Nets are the nets. I just don't trust

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Speaker 3: that they're going to be again this year. I think

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Speaker 3: we're giving a little too much credit for like, Oh,

1342
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Speaker 3: they'll just get through this Bucks series then get everyone

1343
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Speaker 3: back healthy again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Carrie had a bad ankle and Harden's playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Harden looked like trash.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but is he gonna get worse?

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Speaker 3: Is he gonna get better?

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Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, he's going to get better.

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Speaker 3: How how does playing on no hamstring get better when

1350
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Speaker 3: you keep playing on no hamstring?

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Speaker 1: No, he's not playing. I mean I think he's conserving

1352
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: himself so he doesn't pop it again. But I also

1353
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Speaker 1: don't think I think it's likely that like just over time,

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Speaker 1: he will get healthier, like that's more likely to happen.

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Speaker 3: I think it's possible. I just think it's also possible

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Speaker 3: that he hurts the hamstring again. Yeah, it's possible that

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Speaker 3: Kyrie doesn't play again. I think it's possible, knock on wood,

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Speaker 3: Please don't let it be possible that Kevin Durant, who

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Speaker 3: is straining and giving everything right now as the only

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Speaker 3: guy who left, could get hurt. It's Kevin Durant. We

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Speaker 3: know his history for possibility happen.

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Speaker 1: Today is absolutely proof that chaos is a ladder and

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Speaker 1: we're all on the rungs.

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Speaker 2: So and that's that's why, that's why you shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: playing these futures so liberally.

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Speaker 1: Now you want now, you want a victory lab about future?

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Speaker 2: No, No, that was that was that was your Brandon.

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Speaker 2: What's who wants to play a Son's future threat?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say. I saw this too. I to

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Speaker 3: look and see. I'm not sure if this is updated.

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Speaker 3: If if I was going to play a Sun's future,

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Speaker 3: I know that we look at the Suns like, look,

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Speaker 3: who who's the best player in the Suns. We're still

1375
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Speaker 3: gonna We're not gonna have the answer. We're still gonna

1376
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Speaker 3: be debate it is it Chris Paul is a Devin Booker,

1377
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: who's the best player? It doesn't matter if it's the

1378
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Speaker 3: finals and the Sons actually win. Who's gonna win finals MVP.

1379
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Speaker 3: It's Chris Paul unless poker puts up like forty points

1380
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Speaker 3: a game. Chris Paul as Chris Paul coming off COVID.

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul is gonna win finals MVP. And that's plus

1382
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 3: eleven hundred. Yeah, and plus eleven hundred for the Sons

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 3: to win the title. That's odd's worth betting.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, I think you're I I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: Like we've liked the Suns all year on this podcah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're a little I think you're getting a

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: little too far far ahead of the cart on the finals.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'll say. It is like I don't like

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Speaker 1: I don't like their matchups versus any of them.

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Speaker 3: I don't either, But that's why you're getting the odds.

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Speaker 3: Like plus, I just think at this point, some of

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 2: At this point, you could roll it over and at

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: least give yourself an out as opposed to like pot

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Speaker 2: committing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we have to get righthim out of here

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Speaker 1: at three am uh on East Coast time, So thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, everybody. If this podcast is outdated by

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Speaker 1: tried to get immediate reactions to this stuff to get together.

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Speaker 3: Some coaches still have jobs tomorrow by the time you

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Speaker 3: listen to this.

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