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Speaker 1: You're listening to you an Airwave media podcast. Hi everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to whoded What Now? The history podcast

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Speaker 1: that's not your history class with me your festive host,

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Speaker 1: Katie Charlwood, slutty sloth and reader of books. Where did

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Speaker 1: that come from? Why? You know, sometimes I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what I'm going to call myself when I start,

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Speaker 1: you know, recording, But it's because I went through crime

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Speaker 1: today and it's like sloth, let's use alliteration, and because

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Speaker 1: I use the history harlot, I was like, it's be

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Speaker 1: slutty sloth. That's where my brain went. That was the

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Speaker 1: choice that happened in that split second. You know, I

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Speaker 1: really worry myself sometimes, like what is that? That's not good? Yeah? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: If my voice sounds weird, it's still hasn't healed properly

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Speaker 1: after whatever tom fuckery is going on with my throat.

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Speaker 1: But apparently it's not typical to lose your voice eight

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Speaker 1: times in a year, So I'm gonna have to go

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Speaker 1: get that checked out, which is not entirely pleasant, but

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Speaker 1: fuck it. You know, we get to make sure we're

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Speaker 1: working as appropriately as possible, especially considering that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm an absolute disaster, and so it's currently Boxing Day,

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Speaker 1: so it's December twenty sixth. You may also know it

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Speaker 1: as Saint Stephen's Day, the Feast of Steven. And it's

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Speaker 1: so why I'm sitting in my room all alone deciding

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Speaker 1: to talk about this nittorious case. I wasn't gonna and

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Speaker 1: then I was, and then I wasn't, because well, what

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Speaker 1: happened was is I made myself cry. I struggled to

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Speaker 1: go through notes. Even though I know this case off

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Speaker 1: by heart, I struggled with like a huge, huge part

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Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't But it's fine. It's fine, I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, because today is the twenty fifth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: the discovery of the body of Jean Beney Ramsay. You

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Speaker 1: know how people go, like, if you could go back

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Speaker 1: in time and like solve any murder, which would it

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Speaker 1: be like if you could just have that like crystal

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Speaker 1: ball information? And most people go like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to know who the Zodiac killer is or I

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Speaker 1: want to go back and find out who Jack the

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Speaker 1: Ripper was, And frankly, I don't give a fuck about

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Speaker 1: those two because chances are those people are not alive anymore. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's basical, whoever the Ripper was where they

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Speaker 1: ain't alive now, like M and I, you know, I

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Speaker 1: have a strange feeling that whoever the Zodiac Killer was

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Speaker 1: is either dead or just not compassmentus, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: But I want to know who hurts Jean Beney. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I had like the actual traveling back in time magic,

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Speaker 1: I would like to go back and stop whoever it

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Speaker 1: was hurting Jean Benet. So this case is like notorious.

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Speaker 1: It's like because it's a cold case, because of everything

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Speaker 1: surrounding it, and because there it's just a cluster fuck

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Speaker 1: of incompetence, and and there's so much to it that

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Speaker 1: just doesn't fucking add up. There's like a collection of theories, right,

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Speaker 1: and one thing makes sense, but then due to like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other factors, it doesn't fucking make any sense.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got like other theories which hold up

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Speaker 1: to a point, and then like this one fucking thing

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Speaker 1: just throws it out there. There were so many weird,

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Speaker 1: weird parts of this which just don't fucking add up,

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Speaker 1: and that's where a lot of the suspicion comes from.

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Speaker 1: And then of course we have the trial by media

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Speaker 1: because the media they latched on to the fact that

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Speaker 1: Jean Benet was this pageant queen, like she was a

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Speaker 1: child beauty pageant queen, and you know, Patsy was a

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Speaker 1: pageant mum. So like it just becomes this whole other

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Speaker 1: But yeah, before I go on, I should probably add

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Speaker 1: a content slash trigger warning, because I am discussing the

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Speaker 1: murder of a six year old child and that can

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Speaker 1: be traumatizing for a lot of people. Because it's like,

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Speaker 1: the autopsy report, you know what I mean, and then

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Speaker 1: the second autopsy and the discussions of pathologists and so

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Speaker 1: on and so forth. So I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: you all through that. But if you think this will

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Speaker 1: just ready, okay, and it's time to quit my jabber

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Speaker 1: jabber and just fact you in fact you I will so.

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Speaker 1: Our sources are Jean Benney inside the Ramsey murder investigation

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Speaker 1: by Donald A. Davis and Steve Thomas, who killed John

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Speaker 1: Benney Ramsey by Cyril Wecht. Unsolved the Jean Bonne Ramsey

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Speaker 1: Murderer twenty five years later by Paula Woodward. The Cases

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Speaker 1: That Haunt Us by Johnny Douglas and Mark Olshaker. I

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Speaker 1: think there's an episode of Cold Case Files, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of documentaries. I have been inhaling this probably for the

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Speaker 1: like this case made international news. I've also listened to

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Speaker 1: podcasts which cover this, everything from my favorite murder to

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Speaker 1: I think I think Paul Hols covered it once. Actually,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not, I could be wrong, but I think

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Speaker 1: he did so. Jean Beney Patricia Ramsey was born on

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Speaker 1: years older than her. Ish So her dad is John

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Speaker 1: Bennett Ramsey. He's high up in some computer software firm,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and he's married to Patricia Ramsey, who

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Speaker 1: But yes, I know what you're thinking. Did they just

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Speaker 1: her name. Yes, they did listen as someone who is

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Speaker 1: It's just a thing people do. She's got an older

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Speaker 1: So John Many actually has three older half siblings. There's

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Speaker 1: John Ramsey, Melissa Ramsey, and Elizabeth. Elizabeth actually dies in

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Speaker 1: the Ramseys then moved to Boulder, Colorado. I assume for

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Speaker 1: John Ramsey's work. Now, the Ramseys are a well off family,

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Speaker 1: Beny's life becomes like this very it becomes a hook.

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Speaker 1: crying again. What okay, hold it to fucking gether kerry

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Speaker 1: So Christmas Day, December twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six, Shombinney

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Speaker 1: You know, they're having a great time. Are Christmas Day

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Speaker 1: handwritten ransom note, which is going to be like a

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Speaker 1: fifty five am, three minutes later, two officers show up.

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Speaker 1: Now it is Boxing day, it is the day after Christmas.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the twenty sixth of December. No well

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Speaker 1: killed John Benney is the person who wrote the ransom note,

425
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: and it's the main thing in this whole scenario, which

426
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. It's just fucking weird because when

427
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: teaching that criminology and things like that, it's actually used

428
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: as how to spot something that's fake, Like it's used

429
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: for statement analysis. It's used for teaching people about misdirection

430
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: and things like that, and it's also shown as like

431
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: this is how not to do things. Because you know,

432
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it for you, mister Ramsey, listen carefully.

433
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Exclamation point. We are a group of individuals that represent

434
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not

435
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: the country that it serves. At this time, we have

436
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed.

437
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: And if you want to see her nineteen ninety seven.

438
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: You must follow our instructions to the letter. You will

439
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your account.

440
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand will be in one hundred dollar bills

441
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: and the remaining eighteen and twenty dollar bills. Make sure

442
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.

443
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: When you get home, you will put the money in

444
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: a brown paper bag. I will call you between eight

445
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: and ten a m. Tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.

446
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise you to

447
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early.

448
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: We might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery

449
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: of the money and hence at earlier pickup of your daughter.

450
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Dicky says delivery their deliveries Nibbrits scrawled out. Any deviation

451
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of

452
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for

453
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do

454
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: not particularly like you, so I advise you not to

455
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situs c such

456
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: as police, FBI, etc. Will result in your daughter being beheaded.

457
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies.

458
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money

459
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies.

460
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: You will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any

461
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us,

462
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: but be warned. We are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures

463
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: and tactics. You stand a nineteen nine percent chance of

464
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow

465
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: our instructions, and you stand ah one hundred percent chance

466
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: of getting her back. You and your family are under

467
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to

468
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: grow a brain, John, You are not the only fat

469
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: cat around, so don't think that killing will be difficult.

470
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Don't underestimate us, John, use that good Southern common sense

471
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: of yours. It is up to you now, John esclamation

472
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: mark and then it's signed with victory and the initials SBTC. Right, Okay,

473
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: So let's break this down away bit allway. So the

474
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: fact of the matter that is is like if this

475
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: is a genuine note, Because if the ransom note is legitimate,

476
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: then it's a kidnapping gone bad, and it also excludes

477
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: the ramses as suspects, because why would they demand money

478
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: from themselves, because that just doesn't make any sense. But

479
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: if and if the note is like fake, then we

480
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: know that this is a murder stage to look like

481
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: a kidnapping, and that basically opens up the doors to

482
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: any it could be any fucking person. And again, remember

483
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: this is a two and a half page handwritten ransom note.

484
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: But because of the language used, like there's a lot

485
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: of grammar and incorrect sort of statements. It's very wordy

486
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: and like it's a complete juxtaposition. Like the language used

487
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: is a complete juxtaposition. It's so contradictory because not only

488
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: is it grammatically incorrect in places like it says ah

489
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: where it should say an, and words like business and

490
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: possession are misspelled, but it uses word it's like hence

491
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: attache and deviation, like if you can spell deviation and

492
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: attache correctly. It's like whoever was writing this note was

493
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: trying to make it look like the writer was either

494
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: uneducated or foreign, so like English was not a first language.

495
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: They're trying to make it seem like that. But it

496
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: doesn't add up. So we also see that it refers

497
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: to itself as a small foreign faction. Why why would

498
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: you do that? Why would you make yourself seem small

499
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: if you're trying to be intimidating, Like it's like, oh,

500
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: we're small, so you can't figure out who we are.

501
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's not exactly what you want to do.

502
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: You want them to know who you are because you

503
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: want them to be scared of you. Like you would

504
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: say we are the provisional Ira, you'd say we are

505
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: Islamic Jahadists. You know, you would state how you are

506
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: because you'll find that terrorist organizations generally want to claim

507
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: something like they want to claim it. They want to

508
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: add that to their roster, you know. But like the

509
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: letter doesn't even have like it's not written with a

510
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: group of mentality, because it should always say like we

511
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: as it should be a collective, a hive mind idea.

512
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: But that's not the case. So like it says I

513
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: instead of we, And so whoever was writing it clearly

514
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: fucked up in places. Not only that, but again unnecessarily

515
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: wordy because it's saying things like we have your daughter

516
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: in our possession. It's like, why would you say that?

517
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just say we have your daughter like

518
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: why make this note so long? It should be succinct.

519
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: You want to get to the point, especially if you

520
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: know you're not that educated, especially if especially if you're

521
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: not proficient in English. You want to make it small

522
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: because you don't want to seem foolish. You want to

523
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: get your point across, because you want to get, you know,

524
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to the endgame. Why they say that we respect your

525
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: business but not the country that it serves. That doesn't

526
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: make sense. Why why would you feel they need to

527
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: mention that. It's It doesn't even make sense, Like you

528
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: would just say I don't respect your country. You wouldn't

529
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: say you don't respect the business. Anyway, moving on, moving on.

530
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: The next thing is the money. So one hundred and

531
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand dollars is exactly the amount that John Bennett

532
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: received as a bonus the previous year. Now, John himself

533
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: is the one who actually points this out to police.

534
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, this is strange. This is the exact

535
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: same amount as my bonus. I don't know why anyone

536
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: would know that. So it's weird enough that they know

537
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: exactly how much his bonus is. But so the whole

538
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: thing about the collection of the money is weird because

539
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: it tells you to go to the bank, like are

540
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: banks generally closed like over the holidays, but like it

541
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: doesn't even say go to the bank. It says get

542
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: the money from your account, which again still means he

543
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: has to go to the fucking bank. But whatever, it

544
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: tells them to bring an attache case, which is why

545
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: so speci very strange, like why be so specific about this?

546
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: And also like the Ramses were well off, so one

547
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen thousand is a very small but very

548
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: specific amount of money to ask for, because they were

549
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: offering one hundred grand for like information regarding information that

550
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: would lead to like the arrest of the killer. Like

551
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: they had money, they had summer homes. That was his bonus.

552
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: If your bonus is one hundred and eighteen thousand, then

553
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: you're definitely making a fucking massive chunk of change. And

554
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: as most movie lovers know, there are quite a lot

555
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: of quotes or references to like movies like Ransom and

556
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Dirty Harry within the note itself. It's very it's very strange,

557
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: And also there's this weird bit where it's like if

558
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: you do it, she dies. If you do that, she dies.

559
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: That's really dramatic, but it doesn't really align with the

560
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: two men who are watching your daughter don't quite like you.

561
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: All right, it's not exactly an aggressive statement. But then

562
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: if you do this, she dies. If you do that,

563
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: she dies, And like there's so many like exclamation points

564
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: throughout this, but when it says like if you do this,

565
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: she dies, you do that, she dies, like there's no

566
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: exclamation points there, which like really that should be a focus,

567
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's really weird because

568
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: like at the very beginning of the note, it's like

569
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: mister Ramsey, and then it turns to John. It's like

570
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: do it now, John, blah blah blah John. It really

571
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: feels like they're just writing down movie quotes, you know,

572
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: and it's like they say John three fucking times, Like

573
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: whoever this is? It feels more personal at this point,

574
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: like it starts off very sort of formal, and if

575
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: this was like some kind of hive collective foreign faction group,

576
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: they would use mister Ramsey, they would continue to do

577
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: that because they're not personally connected to the fucking man.

578
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: They just want his money. And then it's ended with

579
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: like SBTC that like it's an acronym for fucking nothing,

580
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: like it's it's nowhere. And we have to remember that

581
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: when this ransom note was being written, there's a high

582
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: likelihood that whoever was writing this note, when they were

583
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: writing it, Jean Benet was already dead. And what makes

584
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: it worse, like we know that this pad and so

585
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: the writing paper, the pad it came from, and the

586
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: pen that was used to write it, we're already in

587
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: the Ramsey's house. Like, if you were going to kidnap someone,

588
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: would you not have the ransom note ready to go?

589
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you go like all old fashion and stick it

590
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: with like Elmore's glue and a bit of a cutout

591
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: letters a bunch of magazines. Why would you waste time

592
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: writing it there instead of grabbing the girl, leaving the

593
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: note and getting the fuck at a dodge. But like

594
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: it gets worse and more incriminating because like for the Ramses,

595
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: because there is a draft of the note there as well,

596
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: they find that in the house, like I think it's

597
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: a crumbled up on a trash can or something like that.

598
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: And this is why, because it mentioned so many things,

599
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: and it mentions fucking other charm, southern charm. Why would

600
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: a foreign faction. Know what the fuck Southern charm is?

601
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: What is that? They don't give a shit about your

602
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Southern charm And this is why. So like basically the

603
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Ramsy's had to get their handwriting. They'd give handwriting samples,

604
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: and Burke and John they automatically get. They're automatically excluded.

605
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: They're fine. Their handwriting doesn't match. But Patsy's is inconclusive,

606
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't say one way or the other whether

607
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: it was like initially I think she was self medicating.

608
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: So the Ramses they think that this is a kidnapping

609
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: that ended up as a murderer. So like while somebody

610
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: was writing the ransom note, John Benney is killed. But yeah,

611
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: for me, it does look more like a murderer that

612
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: was staged to look like a kidnapping, and the ransom

613
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: note just doesn't just doesn't make sense. Is it there

614
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: to buy time so that the killer can get away?

615
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: Whom's to say? So A bunch of handwriting experts actually

616
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: came on board after this and they ruled out for

617
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: the most part that Patsy was the writer of the note.

618
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: It basically becomes a fifty to fifty although handwriting analysis

619
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I find is in general, a lot of ballocks. It's

620
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: kind of like blood spatter. It's it's so like you

621
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: basically have half the grip going yeah, either half kind

622
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: of growing. No, you know, it's not really anything one

623
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: way or the other. So let's talk about the basement evidence,

624
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: because there's a bunch of stuff there, and we're going

625
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: to have some additional Dana stuff that was found out

626
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: I think later on. So in the basement, outside the

627
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: room where John Beney was found, there was a urine

628
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: stain on the floor. Inside the room, there was a

629
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: bootprint next to where Joan Beney's body was. It's like

630
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: a man's bootprint. It's pretty big, and it didn't match

631
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: anybody in the house or any shoes held by anybody

632
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: in the house. There was the broken basement window John

633
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Ramsay said he broke himself, and there was also a

634
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: suitcase that was placed under the window. Now, the theory

635
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: for the suitcase is either it was used to climb

636
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: out or it was supposed to be a means of

637
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: transporting either Jomberney Orm's body, depending on how that was

638
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: going to work. Because remember she's like a wee six

639
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: year old kid. You can put her in like an

640
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: average suitcase. And when she was found, she had a

641
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: blanket covering her chest. And what you normally find is

642
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: when a family member, especially a parent, if they are

643
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: responsible for a child killing, especially something accidental, there's usually

644
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: caretaken with the body. They usually cover the face. This

645
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: also happens when someone is ashamed of their actions, Like

646
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: if someone can't deal with what they've done, they usually

647
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: cover the face of their victim. You know, it's somewhere

648
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: between affection and despair. Now, neither of this happened for

649
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Jean Benet. Just her torso was covered. I mean, perhaps

650
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: the intention was to cover her face, but it didn't

651
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: quite work out. It's not like they were trying to

652
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: hide the body because she was laid out. If they

653
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: were trying to like cover her up, they could have

654
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: like bundled her into like a like a ball, like

655
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: curled her up, but you know, because it would have

656
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: taken away well for rigging mortis to set in, you

657
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And she could been covered with

658
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a blanket, which would be like the worst way of

659
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: hiding anything because that is currently how my child hides.

660
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: So like if this was a sort of work, did

661
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: it scenario Like, to cover something up with a blanket

662
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: is a very very childish way to hide something, especially

663
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: when you're not fully covering it. What there was a

664
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: spanner in the works here as well is the fact

665
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: that there was DNA found on the cord that was

666
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: part of the garat that was tied around Joan Beney's

667
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: neck and her wrist. But that's not the only place

668
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: they found an unknown male's DNA. They also found saliva

669
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: mixed in with her blood in her underwear. And currently

670
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: there's actually some kind of good news with this, is

671
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: that so because of the advancement of technology, especially that

672
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: regarding DNA. A few days ago there was a statement

673
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: of hope really that they would be able to find

674
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: out who this DNA belonged to. And I know you're like,

675
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: why would they announce that. I just meant a strange

676
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: thing to announce, especially around about her anniversary. Whether they're

677
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: doing it to promote the case in order to get

678
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: more funding in order to be able to like do

679
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: these tests, or if it's a promotional thing to try

680
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: and get more people to like submit DNA to like

681
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: twenty three and me and stuff like that, and ancestry

682
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: and you know, all those sort of genealogy sites so

683
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: they can do what they did allah the Golden State killer.

684
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's just a way of saying fuck you

685
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: to somebody because they might have already started the testing.

686
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Or could it be a way of trying to convince

687
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: someone to come forward and admit to the crime because

688
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: they're saying, listen, we're going to catch you anyway. I

689
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe anyway. So because the DNA found on

690
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: Jean Benet's body is all of an unidentified male, So

691
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: this is why as well, we have a couple of theories.

692
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, there's the the Ramsys did it, which is

693
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: one theory. Another is an intruder did it. But then

694
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: there's also a kind of in between one as well,

695
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: like someone they knew did it. So let's fucking break

696
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: these down. One of the most popular theories for like

697
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: fucking years was that Patsy did it. So the theory

698
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: is that Jon Benet wakes up in the middle of

699
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: the night she's had another bed wetting episode, which apparently

700
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: was quite frequent, and you know, kids went at the

701
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: bed for like a fucking number of reasons, Like sometimes

702
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: it's because they're sick, or they're stressed, or they're drunk

703
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: too much juice before bedtime, it's too cold for them

704
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: to get out of bed, or they're really really tired

705
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: and they don't wake up. You know, they don't recognize

706
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: the response of needing to pay. But sometimes sometimes frequent

707
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: bed wedding can be a trauma response to abuse or molestation,

708
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: especially continued abuse. There's that putting that to the side. There,

709
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: so and so she's you know, she's getting around the bathroom,

710
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: she's forceful, and she accidentally slams jon Benet's head against

711
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: like the side of the bathtub. Freaking out and thinking

712
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: I've just killed her, she grabs you know, her art

713
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: supplies of all things, and makes a garrotte and you know,

714
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: strangles her child. And then in a panic, she writes

715
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: a draft of a ransom note and then a two

716
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: and a half page really were they really complicated ransom note,

717
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: which she then quote unquote discovers herself. Now, I have

718
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: a few issues with this particular scenario because it doesn't

719
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: explain the internal injuries to Jean Benet. It doesn't explain

720
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: the male DNA that was discovered in her clothes, unless

721
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: of course Patsy was allowing someone to do something to

722
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: her daughter. I don't know, I don't know. And because

723
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: she's a pageant mother, they really attacked Patsy, you know.

724
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: And so some people say that, you know, she did

725
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: this like she was nothing else, that she put her

726
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: children harms way by sexualizing her, by putting her into

727
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: these like beauty pageants, which is the American pageants are

728
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: are wild to me, and I think it's strained. Toddlers

729
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: and tiaras terrifies me in general, Like I can't handle

730
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: it because they use techniques that make them look like

731
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: little women. They should just look like children. Just make

732
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: them cute, cute children, you know, keep them, you know, childlike,

733
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: and like in her family and friends are saying like

734
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: she would never put her child in harm's way, and

735
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: then Patsy is just like either really defensive or just

736
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: incredibly medicated. And when Burke has questioned on it, he

737
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: just says, like his mum just wasn't really an aggressive person,

738
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: you know. The next theory is that John Ramsey did it,

739
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: that he assaulted his daughter and I don't know, something happened.

740
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: She fights back for the first time, she gets injured,

741
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: he kills her. Like, the detective on the scene was

742
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: incredibly suspicious of John because when she told them to

743
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: search the house from top to bottom, he went straight

744
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: to the basement, which is an area of the house

745
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: which wasn't really used too much. And he'd been told

746
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: like if you have even told like, if you find anything,

747
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: just fucking leave it, don't touch it. But obviously we

748
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: know what he did. Takes the table off, brings her up,

749
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: does all that stuff. And so when the police arrive

750
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: at the crime scene on the there's like no footprints

751
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: in the snow, and there's no signs of an intruder

752
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: and those signs of a break in, but as we know,

753
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: one of the doors was unlocked, so like an intruder

754
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: could have just walked it. But anyway, one thing that

755
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: the detective found really suspicious about John is that like

756
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be there between eight and ten am,

757
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and they're waiting for this call from the kidnappers, but

758
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: they don't tell the police, like so they don't mention

759
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: the deadline, and they don't mention that the deadline has passed.

760
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: And then because I'm like a lot of people find

761
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: it really suspicious that John was like planning to fly

762
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: them out the following day, but they were supposed to

763
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: be leaving for a trip that day anyway, and they

764
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: were told to get out of the house and they

765
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: were like, We're just going to go back to our

766
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: old home. But because of the DNA testing that happened

767
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, it exonerates both Joan and

768
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Patsy from an assault. Finally, we have the intruder theory.

769
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: So Jean Benet is taken down to the basement by

770
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: person or person's unknown, is bound, gagged, sexually assaulted and killed.

771
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: Her body is dumbed in the spare basement room to

772
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: kill her right to the Ramsom note and leaves. That

773
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: is the basic unknown assailant theory. Then, of course there

774
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: is a someone the family knew, which is a little

775
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: bit more graphic. So I'm going to suggest you skip

776
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: forward like a minute and a half, ah, because this

777
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: isn't This is not going to be a pleasant discussion. Ah.

778
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: It made me cry when I read it. Okay, So,

779
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: so Jean Benet had been talking about getting another present

780
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: from Sander. She was going to be getting something else.

781
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: This could have been something to do with the trip

782
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: that they were all about to take as a family,

783
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: which is the reason why Patsy got up so early

784
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: the next morning. So Jean Benet is lured downstairs by

785
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: a man. So he takes her downstairs. He lures her

786
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: to the basement area where the presents were normally kept.

787
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: He duck tapes her mouth, he bounds her and sexually

788
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: assaults her. And then, either during or after the mother's station,

789
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: this six old child, this little girl, is strangled. He

790
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: rummages through the basement and he finds the art supplies

791
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the closest thing to hand. He strangles Jean Benety. Like

792
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: why he didn't use his bare hands to do it?

793
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe this was a thing. But Joan

794
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: Binney gets so scared that she wets herself when the

795
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: manual strangulation isn't finishing her off. When the girl isn't

796
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: quite doing the job he wanted it to, he finishes

797
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: the job by smacking her in the head. After killing

798
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: the child, he writes a note, not because he wants

799
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: the money, but because he wants to either buy time

800
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: or throw suspicion on the ramses. Hence the specific amounts

801
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: and the weird language, and he leaves the house, So

802
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: that is the intruder di it theory. So the Ramses

803
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: have been cleared of and twenty five years later, it

804
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: is the case is still cold. It's unsolved, but the

805
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: immediate Ramsey family members, Patsy John and they have been

806
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, exonerated. They're not suspects from a legal standpoint anyway.

807
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: And again we have this new sort of update on forensics,

808
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: which means we could possibly be able to track down

809
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: who the murderer was, if he has if he does

810
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: have relatives out there, because it's a mixed DNA sample

811
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: because it is mixed in with her blood, but it

812
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: is also under her fingernails, and they could check the

813
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: not of the cord, which I'm sure would have more

814
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: sort of touch DNA on it, and I really hope

815
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: they do. I really think this per fucking child gets

816
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: some fucking justice because everyone says this little beauty queen,

817
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: this idle, this imagery, and all I say is a

818
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: sex year old girl who never got to ride the

819
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: bike she got for Christmas m hm and have nothing else.

820
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: I think Chanpinnay deserves, she deserves answers, and not just

821
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: to be a Subreddit tantalizing trivia and for people to

822
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: practice their slothing skills.

823
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Jean Beney deserves justice, and I really fucking hope she

824
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: gets it. So that's the story here. Jean Viney ramsay

825
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: and so that was really fucking heavy and heartbreaking. But

826
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: I would very much appreciate it if you would rate

827
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: and review five stars. You can do an Apple Podcasts

828
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: or Spotify if and I think we're gonna like decompress

829
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a wee bit. I think it's probably a good idea.

830
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: We'll decompress and the recommendations this week, I think we

831
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: should go for something a bit more lighthearted. So I'm

832
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna recommend for reading Dear Girls by Ali Wong because

833
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: I love her as a comedian. She's so funny and

834
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, read that and try not to cry, because

835
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make you cry. Probably for listening. Let's

836
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: listen to some funny stuff, you know what. I am

837
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: gonna recommend The doll Up. It is a comedy history podcast.

838
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm generally it's generally based in the US. The two

839
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: fellas that are on it Dave and Garl, Gareth Garth,

840
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Gareth Reynolds, Dave Something and Gareth Reynolds. They're really they're good.

841
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: I assure you they're funny. I promise you it's really funny. Anyway,

842
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of like feel good movies

843
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: or like funny TV shows, but honestly, just watch Hawkeye.

844
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I thought the it's upsetting in places, but like the

845
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: scenes between Yolena and Kate give me Life. They are

846
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: so funny, They're so well done, they're perfect, they're on tone,

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Speaker 1: they work so well with the characters. It's absolutely perfect.

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Speaker 1: So now that I've given you the recommendations, and because

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Speaker 1: I am emotionally exhausted, I am going to bid you farewell.

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Speaker 1: But before I do, don't forget you can follow me

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Speaker 1: on all the social media's. I am on Instagram, TikTok

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Speaker 1: and Twitter. Who Did What Now? Pod on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: TikTok and then who Did What Now? Pd on Twitter

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Speaker 1: because I didn't have enough characters. So I would love

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Speaker 1: to see you all there. If you want to support me,

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Speaker 1: you can. You can go on to patreon dot com

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Speaker 1: and become a patron and get some stuff there's in

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Speaker 1: it's because of episode coming this week. Once I finished

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Speaker 1: editing it and actually put it up and stop being

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Speaker 1: so lazy. If you want to do a one time donation,

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Speaker 1: you can always send it to PayPal dot com forward

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Speaker 1: slash who did what now pod? Anyway, that is me.

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Speaker 1: I am, and I am gonna say farewell to you all,

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Speaker 1: Adios or of Wozen my friends, Bye bye,