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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers.

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Speaker 3: For gen V season two episodes one through three and

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Speaker 3: Yeah Coming film Him, Hello.

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Speaker 2: And as Jason Cantepcio and.

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Speaker 3: I'm Rosey Night and welcome back to ExtraVision the podcast

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Speaker 3: when we talk the video, favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 3: pop culture. Coming from iHeart Podcast, We'll bring you three

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Speaker 3: episodes a week, close news on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are gonna be talking about gen

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Speaker 4: V season.

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Speaker 5: Two episodes one to three. It's back? Did you know

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Speaker 5: what was coming back? I like the first season.

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Speaker 4: I didn't really know it was coming back, but I'm

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Speaker 4: very glad it's back. We will also be talking about

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Speaker 4: the new Monkey Poop produced movie Him, Did.

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Speaker 5: It live up to our feelings? How Ian will be? Ravis?

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Speaker 5: We are football? You will be watching And then this week.

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Speaker 4: Instead of TG I F we are gonna ask is

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Speaker 4: this a sports movie? And we are gonna pitch some

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Speaker 4: unexpected movies that may not be sports movies to cause

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Speaker 4: some fun discussion before we head out this weekend. But fus, Joe,

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Speaker 4: well Joel join us for GENV?

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Speaker 5: How are you doing?

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Speaker 6: I'm checked in three episodes is a lot, but you

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Speaker 6: were talking about.

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Speaker 1: They move with they move quickly, good pacing.

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Speaker 5: It's swift.

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Speaker 6: It's really swift and to your point, like we we

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Speaker 6: have screeners for everything. We try to say like current

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Speaker 6: with y'all. But text She's like, I had to watch.

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Speaker 6: We had to get into more episodes because yeah, the

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Speaker 6: cliffhanger after.

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Speaker 1: Three, Oh, where are we going from here? I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was excited to turn to gen V.

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Speaker 1: I was nervous. Season one is a hard watch.

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Speaker 6: Like emotionally, yes, I mean anyway, I just felt like

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Speaker 6: it's really vulnerable kids being abused.

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Speaker 1: On a lot.

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Speaker 6: You're just like, wow, this is difficult, and so I

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Speaker 6: watch of season two. But I will see it. It resonates,

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Speaker 6: it works. I thought the memorials to Chance were done tastefully.

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Speaker 6: We've seen this happen before, where people passed before is anticipated,

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Speaker 6: and then you're trying to address that death.

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Speaker 1: Within the context.

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Speaker 6: That's what happens, and it's done to varying degrees of success.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to call anything out because they're all

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Speaker 6: made from very loving places, but sometimes you're like, uh,

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Speaker 6: this doesn't connect to the story and it's weird, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like they deal with it well.

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Speaker 4: I also do have a question for you guys about

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Speaker 4: where the story's going and if you think it would

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Speaker 4: have been different once we've talked about if chance was

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Speaker 4: had not passed away tragically, because I think they switch

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Speaker 4: main characters this season that was not necessarily the purpose.

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Speaker 4: But I am happy because I love But I will

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Speaker 4: quickly get everyone up to date. If you have not

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Speaker 4: watched please Gen B season two episodes one to three

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Speaker 5: Picture this. It's nineteen sixty seven, Top Secret.

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Speaker 4: Lab Westpongebob from Broadway aka Box Woodsman aka Ariana Grande

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Speaker 5: You're just like, what the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 4: We He tries to stop his colleagues taking an early

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Speaker 4: version of V Compound V, which we know gives soups

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Speaker 4: It's clear that icles technicals like all kinds of multings

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Speaker 4: It is also revealed that Bock Woodsman is in this world.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Godolkin, the man credited with pioneering Compound B and

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Speaker 3: Football really good interweaving of the Boys, both characters and

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Speaker 4: To Chase, we then see that Emma and Jordan are

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Speaker 4: There is a new Dean at God You who goes

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Speaker 5: Annie saves Marie from Oh oh dear uh, Let's put

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Speaker 4: Starlight saves Marie from Dog not the Bounty Hunter. Their

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Speaker 3: never about like anything larger than that. And listen, I

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00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 3: think there's an interesting question here about like, can you

440
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: fight fascism using the power of fascism?

441
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: You know, like necessarily it's yeah, what's it cool? That's

442
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: it's the Luthen argument. You're like, sure, using that, can

443
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: you do those of your oppressor to fight them?

444
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 3: But but Euthan named the enemy, right, And m hmmm,

445
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a little irked that it feels like

446
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: my heroes never name the enemy, and I'm left wondering

447
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: if they are not merely the latest and.

448
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: More more graspable version of the enemy.

449
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

450
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: This is essentially, this is a feeling that I have

451
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: that I'm not even fully able to.

452
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: Take it to describe aversation.

453
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: But I'm left over these three episodes which I really enjoyed. Again,

454
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: I think this is a really good show. I'm left wondering,

455
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: like just feeling weird about it. I don't know and

456
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: if I'm.

457
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: The only one that I'm the only one and I'm over.

458
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: Nauticalized by these No you're not, just let me, let me,

459
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: let me hop in.

460
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 6: Because I had a similar experience with a different text.

461
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 6: I don't think i've read Mlang's Blood over Brighthaven, but

462
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 6: the story similarly with like there's there's a class that's

463
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 6: being marginalized.

464
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: You see a lot from the girl who's from.

465
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 6: A class of power, and the whole time she was like,

466
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 6: I don't understand why these people are oppressed, and it's

467
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 6: so annoying, and I'm like, what are we doing? I

468
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 6: hate this character. I hates any time with her. By

469
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 6: the end of the book, you get to a point

470
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 6: where she's like, oh, the problem is me. Problem is this,

471
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 6: And also I can't eradicate it out of myself, so

472
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to radicalize myself. And I completely it

473
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 6: was so like mesmerizingly good by the end of it.

474
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 6: But the slog to get there, and I don't even

475
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 6: call it slog because it's like it's well written and

476
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: like the journey there makes sense so that by the

477
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 6: time you get there, it's like valid. But like I think,

478
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 6: as people of color currently fighting a lot of different

479
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 6: types of oppression at once, like watching it be homogenized

480
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 6: into a system of like, oh, well, we're all oppressed

481
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: is really annoying. And I think also it's really difficult

482
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 6: to watch people who literally have powers being like I'm

483
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 6: powerless and terrified when you're just like what, it's really hard.

484
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: That is the thing that that just on a kind

485
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: of existential level, but in a small way, not in

486
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: a way that like this show is ruined for me. No,

487
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: it's like a little warning light that I'm like, I

488
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: don't know about this. I don't know where we're going

489
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: with this. Yeah, is that exact dynamic, Joelle. The powerful

490
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: people who are like, actually I'm the victim. That makes

491
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: me feel a little weird. It just makes me feel

492
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: a little.

493
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 5: I think you are right to feel weird.

494
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: I would say, like, I love that this conversation is

495
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: you guys are having this conversation, because I do think

496
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: especially the first season, this was also something it really

497
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: really struggled with my current gut reading of it. I'm

498
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 4: hoping that by the end of the season we end

499
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: up in a situation where we are able to have

500
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: our heroes say what the problem is because the Boys

501
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: has been dealing with it for a long time, this

502
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: idea of these white supremacist heies. Jason, I know, me

503
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: and you were both feel like the Boys kind of

504
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: fell off posts. You know, storm Breaker or whatever her

505
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: name was, you know, and I think that storm Watch maybe,

506
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: but I think that like there is a tendency for

507
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: this show to go all out in the silliness or

508
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: even all out in that emotional character stuff which I love,

509
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 4: but not necessarily reckon with the stuff it's putting on screen.

510
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: I wonder if that will change this season, simply because

511
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: I do think this is adding to a trend that

512
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: we have been noticing for twenty twenty five, which is

513
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: essentially like the no subtext trend, where everything is just text.

514
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: And I feel like a lot of people who are

515
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: watching this, I mean, even super producer Ian mentioned it

516
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: felt almost like two on the nose, and I think

517
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 4: that that, along with you know how a lot of

518
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: people have been resonating with certain parts of Alien Earth

519
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 4: and the corporate kind of ownership of alien Earth and

520
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: the Shenanigans of rich people who are not necessarily the

521
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: most clever people or people you want to be in

522
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: charge of stuff. I do wonder if twenty twenty five

523
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: has gotten us to a place and we're going to

524
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: talk about him too where I also believe that as

525
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: a movie with essentially no subtext, it's just all texts,

526
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 4: I am like very interested in where we're at, which

527
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: is I think that these things are supposed to be

528
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: subtextual stories, but I think that our reality has caught

529
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: up way faster too.

530
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: Things that are supposed.

531
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: To be analogous and seem over the top actually seem like, well,

532
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: maybe you're not being real enough about it. Maybe it's

533
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: actually not.

534
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: You're I think you might be onto something with You're

535
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: onto something, yeah, yeah, but can I.

536
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 6: Plus it with this? We also know like in this country,

537
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 6: like reading comprehension is down, and media literacy has never

538
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 6: been on, And so I think that there's something to

539
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 6: be said about artists being like if I tackle the

540
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 6: problem head on, but make it so visually compelling or

541
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 6: like way over the top funny and bizarre, can I

542
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 6: then connect you to the message in a way that

543
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 6: it's like literally coming to entertainment. It's seeking up on

544
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 6: you in that like you know, and I think for

545
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 6: a lot of folks, like they're watching and consuming a

546
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 6: lot more television or TV shows or YouTube than they

547
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 6: are reading about what's actually happening in the world. And

548
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 6: perhaps I wonder now that this is a solution, but

549
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 6: perhaps it's just like a good thing that artist, maybe

550
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 6: like you would have just spell it out so that

551
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 6: we can maybe get on the same page about stuff.

552
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: Because I will say the read that I had and

553
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: this is obviously I think just living here and on

554
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: the specific of like that notion of like Superos being oppressed,

555
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: which is really funny because we have lived with the

556
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: X Men doing it and finally getting it right after

557
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: like forty plus years, you know, they were able to

558
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: kind of expand it out of just this idea of

559
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: some white heroes who are oppressed that this you're like, okay, guys, like,

560
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: have we not solved this already? Though I will say

561
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: my read specifically on it being used by the dean

562
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: of this institution was very much felt to me like

563
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: a commentary about how like rich white people are often

564
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: saying that they are the ones who are oppressed in

565
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: our real world and that leads to a lot of

566
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: oppression of actually marginalized people. Yes, but also it's like,

567
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: am I just living? Does that feel relevant to me?

568
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: Because of the time? Is it intentional? I think the

569
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: show could move with a little bit more intention when

570
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: it comes to the way it's using analogies of racism

571
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: and race and white supremacy when it has a cost

572
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: of lead characters who are people of color, who, like

573
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: you said, barely get to ever interact with their own culture.

574
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 4: So I think you touch on something very important, and

575
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how the rest of the season

576
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: kind of shakes out, because this feels like you could

577
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: finally say that that's bad.

578
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: I feel like finally we've gotten there. You can be

579
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 5: like it's bad when people do this, but I guess

580
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 5: we will. Uh.

581
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, it reminds me of like

582
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: the confusion of people who realized, for whatever seasons it

583
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: is into the boys that like Homeland.

584
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: Hermanda was a bad guy.

585
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels that very obvious text feels almost even

586
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: more buried in a way that can either be like

587
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: really interesting in gen v or Eve or troubling to me,

588
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: but I'm unsure about like how it's gonna shake out

589
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: at this point.

590
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: I think that makes you make a great point, you

591
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 5: do you do there?

592
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 6: In addition to kind of, you know, expanding this world

593
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 6: in a really beautiful way, I think this show also

594
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: has done a really good job of like.

595
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: Folding inward.

596
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 6: And by that I mean I guess, yeah, a lot

597
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 6: of the like little plot lines you have in season

598
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 6: one that could have easily just been forgotten about and

599
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 6: then never talked about again, they bring them back in

600
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 6: such beautiful ways, like Jordan wanting to be number one

601
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 6: and being best friends with the former number one and

602
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 6: then that guy dying.

603
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: That's all like episode one.

604
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 6: Like you could easily have move passed up, but to

605
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 6: come back to it, like see Jordan get their dreams,

606
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 6: like right now at this really pivotal point, make the

607
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 6: choice to actually be a hero and be like, no,

608
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna tell y'all.

609
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: How you're true.

610
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 6: That's suddenly Jordan is so much more interesting to me again,

611
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 6: Like I like Jordan, but before they were kind of

612
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 6: just like I want to win it, I'm not and

613
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 6: I'm moody about it, and I've got some family issues,

614
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 6: which is, you know, good, but this is instantly much

615
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 6: more compelling. I'm obsessed with Hamish links.

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: He's so scared.

617
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: He's really good ship.

618
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: He always power. What are let's figure out, let's.

619
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: What are powers?

620
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: That's the big Is he a human? He says a

621
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: lot like he often talks about how he he doesn't.

622
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: He's like I see everything, like I don't know. Does

623
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 4: he have a power he can see through other people

624
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: like that eyes kind of like what we were bragging

625
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: on boy Cavaliet for not utilizing in the hybrids his

626
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: power like.

627
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: One of those like game theory type powers where he's

628
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: like I.

629
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: See the full game, like I see the yeah.

630
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe something like that. And then I also to

631
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 6: wonder if if he uses his powers, he has a

632
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: deteriorating thing too.

633
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: And that maybe he knows about.

634
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: We get that very.

635
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 6: Quick clip of the chamber when Blondie's trying to escape

636
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 6: his house after she comes in and she's like tell

637
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 6: him the truth.

638
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: He's like, girl, contemplate your actions. Get out of my house.

639
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 6: You see like this what looks like hyper chamber or

640
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: something along the lines in the corner, And I was like, oh,

641
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 6: is there a health issue? Connected to his powers that

642
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 6: he's trying, and he can only use them when absolutely necessary.

643
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: He's just so.

644
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 6: Terrifying and like chilling and even his like gladiator system

645
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 6: of testing the students. I was like, we're really in

646
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 6: our demonic school bag in here. I low the it's crazy.

647
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 6: I will say this. We've invoked the name of the

648
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 6: X Men. So the whole time, I'm like, it's insane

649
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 6: to me. The Marble doesn't have X Men up and on.

650
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: So long we have been just put me in a

651
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: school day.

652
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: You know what?

653
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: Watching this made me feel like sat.

654
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: Very concerningly x Men ninety seven aside, like what was

655
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: our what was our immediate reaction to X Men ninety

656
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: seven was Wow, they they did it. They did they

657
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: did They did the thing that the X Men is about,

658
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: and they went there.

659
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: My fear badly for X Men.

660
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Speaker 3: The live action version is a bunch of people in

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Speaker 3: a room trying to figure out how to stand all

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Speaker 3: the hard exactly exactly exactly noble, ambiguous, kind of catch

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Speaker 3: crazy version.

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Speaker 2: Of that, and that's what excares me.

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Speaker 3: Watching this was like made me feel like, oh shit,

666
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Speaker 3: like are they figuring out? Are they trying to figure out?

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Speaker 3: Like how to do what this show is doing, but

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Speaker 3: even more ambiguous and they wholesome.

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Speaker 1: And I do.

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Speaker 4: Think as well that it's not it's no surprise that

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Speaker 4: we think about the X Men and stuff because also

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Speaker 4: like Cipher, as far as from what we know. You know,

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Speaker 4: obviously we've seen him blend Kate's hand and stuff, but

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Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff, like having a room where

675
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Speaker 4: the kids have to fight each other and use that powers,

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Speaker 4: that's Charles Xavier behavior.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's normal for us.

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Speaker 4: To be and I will say, yeah, I'm excited because

679
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: I also think the gladiatorial conversation and the way that

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00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: he trains the students, and I always thought the ranking

681
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: system was an interesting way of looking at college sports

682
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Speaker 4: and analogous.

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Speaker 5: For the way that college sports exploited people.

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Speaker 4: And I think that we're in a good situation now

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Speaker 4: with something like him, which we're going to talk about next,

686
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Speaker 4: that I think is so textual that you can't deny

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Speaker 4: what it's about. And I feel like jen V needs

688
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Speaker 4: to get to the place where people can't be confused

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Speaker 4: whether Homelander is the bad guy or not. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think you sum that up perfectly. So anyway, let's

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Speaker 4: do it. Let's go to him, I guess it.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to.

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Speaker 4: Him, Timothy, Timothy Shamalay.

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Speaker 3: And we're back to talk him, and we'd like to

695
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Speaker 3: bring in him himself.

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Speaker 5: Super producer, Ian Ian himself.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Come, let's talk about Let's talk about the new movie Him,

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Speaker 3: which we were lucky enough to see a screening last night,

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Speaker 3: directed by Justin Tipping, of course, executive produced by Jordan Peel,

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Speaker 3: starring Marlon Wayans, Tariq Withers, Julia Fox, Tim Heideker, and others.

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Speaker 2: I was, I was listen. I was blown away by

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Speaker 2: this movie.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it lands all that it's trying to create,

705
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: and it is at times, for me, more metaphor than

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: actual story at times, but I love the size of

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Speaker 3: the swing, and it at times has things to say

708
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Speaker 3: that feel so fucking necessary.

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Speaker 2: Just incredible, incredible film.

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Speaker 8: Your thoughts, Ian, Well, before we get into more of

711
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Speaker 8: the themes in the metaphor and everything, I just want to

712
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Speaker 8: talk about some of the more technical and aesthetic aspects

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Speaker 8: of the movie. I think visually it was stunning. I

714
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Speaker 8: think the way it was shot and edited was just beautiful.

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Speaker 8: And then Joel and I were talking about this when

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Speaker 8: we came out of the theater. The use of music,

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Speaker 8: the soundtrack is awesome. The use of music, and then

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Speaker 8: the sound design. I think the sound design, yes, might

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Speaker 8: be the best part.

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Speaker 3: Every sound of like everything, you felt it every time

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Speaker 3: you did.

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Speaker 4: You were in the same situation as me. I believe

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Speaker 4: you were in the front front row of the Imax Ryes. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so the sound design there that shit was shaking your

725
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Speaker 4: chair like you were in when the first jump scare

726
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: happens and you get this woman who kind of hits

727
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Speaker 4: him on the way to heading.

728
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 5: To the window and she slams on the window.

729
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Speaker 4: It literally shook our chairs and everyone in the audience

730
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: was like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 5: The sound was amazing.

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Speaker 4: I also, Ian, why don't you quickly just explain what

733
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Speaker 4: the what happens in the movie because it's like you

734
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Speaker 4: can explain it in five minutes.

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Speaker 5: Is it really is a ViBe's film?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So basically, Marlon Wains plays the greatest quarterback of

737
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Speaker 8: all time essentially, and the main character Cade is an aspiring,

738
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Speaker 8: you know, product prodigy quarterback and as a kid he's

739
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Speaker 8: watching you know, one of Marlon's Isaiah White, does his

740
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Speaker 8: characters name watching one of Isaiah's games and he wins

741
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Speaker 8: the game, but he breaks his leg in like a

742
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Speaker 8: horrific injury, and his dad is like, that's what a

743
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Speaker 8: real man does, you know. He puts his body on

744
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Speaker 8: the line, He sacrifices to be great, like do you

745
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Speaker 8: want to be the greatest?

746
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Speaker 9: Like?

747
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Speaker 8: Do you want to be the next Isaiah? Do you

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Speaker 8: want to be him? And so we fast forward to

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Speaker 8: kid as an adult and he's getting ready to enter

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Speaker 8: the league, but he's attacked and suffers a brain injury,

751
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Speaker 8: and so that puts his chances of making the league

752
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Speaker 8: kind of in jeopardy. But he gets offered an opportunity

753
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Speaker 8: to train with Isaiah, who is contemplating retirement. He's getting

754
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Speaker 8: up there in age, and so he goes to his

755
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Speaker 8: remote compound in the desert to train with him. And

756
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Speaker 8: it starts out as a nice like mentorship training thing,

757
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Speaker 8: and then it devolves into some weird sinister shit, some

758
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Speaker 8: weird ritualistic stuff.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm, very viby, yeah, just grllo inspired. It was

760
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Speaker 4: giving Like if I was going to make a niche

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Speaker 4: sub subgenre for it, the way they do on Let

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Speaker 4: a Box, I would say it's like a gallo American

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Speaker 4: folk horra or American giallo folk cora, because it's very

764
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Speaker 4: much about the folkloric nature of football and football icons

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Speaker 4: and mascots and uses that to create its own kind

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Speaker 4: of like accult mythology.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I would say I agree with both of you.

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Speaker 4: I think for me, the thing that blew me away

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Speaker 4: so much was one that nobody had ever made a

770
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Speaker 4: horror movie about this before, because when you actually think

771
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Speaker 4: about what it takes to be a professional athlete, I

772
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 4: think that the storytelling is so clean and so clear

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Speaker 4: with the notion of what you have to sacrifice, whether

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Speaker 4: it's your own body, whether it is your own health.

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Speaker 5: Because he goes to the compound.

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Speaker 4: With CTE with a traumatic strain injury, it is actually

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Speaker 4: in that way, it's actually a disabled lead in a movie,

778
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Speaker 4: to which I thought was really interesting because that impacts

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Speaker 4: how he visualizes the space.

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Speaker 5: And I just thought, as somebody who has, you know.

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Speaker 4: Come to America two thirds of the way through my

782
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: life so far, and was like kind of learning about

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Speaker 4: the NFL and about football and about history of football,

784
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: and about colleges and the way that kids couldn't make

785
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: money when from their own likenesses until recent laws. I

786
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: just felt like everything that the movie was saying, I

787
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: was like, it's not that extreme. I feel like it's

788
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Speaker 4: a stylized representation of what you were asked to do,

789
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Speaker 4: but in a way that is just saying, yeah, this

790
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Speaker 4: ship will fuck you up. But like I thought that

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00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: like obviousness was just really appealing to me, the simplicity

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Speaker 4: of that message.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because that's the other thing. It's it's a tight

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Speaker 8: it's a tight film. It's only like maybe an hour

795
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Speaker 8: until which is which is good, which is really But

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Speaker 8: so I think it was tight. And to Rosie's point,

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Speaker 8: it's like the message it's trying to get across is

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Speaker 8: very clear, it's very straightforward, and I think they do

799
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Speaker 8: a good job of accomplishing it. But Jason, what are

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Speaker 8: your thoughts on the movie? How did you feel about

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Speaker 8: the story?

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Speaker 3: And Well, the story doesn't the story doesn't hold up

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Speaker 3: all throughout the film, not for me anyway. I think

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Speaker 3: the most impactful part of it is probably the first

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00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: like two acts of the.

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Speaker 2: Film, Yes I Am, and then the climax. But I

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Speaker 2: think the thing that.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I really engaged with was it does

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00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: become more metaphor than story. But the metaphor is so

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Speaker 3: important to me and powerful and and it you know,

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Speaker 3: I was left thinking about how I don't know if

812
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Speaker 3: anybody has been to these you know, there's been a

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Speaker 3: trend in the last like ten years, maybe twelve years

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Speaker 3: of like barbershops, men's barbershops. It was kind of like

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Speaker 3: overly stylized like old timey, you know, with the old.

816
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Speaker 5: Chair yeah, yeah, yeah, big in London.

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00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's to me that always represented a thing, a

819
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Speaker 3: way for modern dudes to engage with like the trappings

820
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Speaker 3: of old timey antique, old school masculinity in a way

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Speaker 3: that was positive, in a way that we can hey,

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Speaker 3: we can all agree that like getting a nice cream,

823
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Speaker 3: like the shave with the hot cream, and like we

824
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Speaker 3: can all agree that that's great, and the hot towel,

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Speaker 3: and that we'd all agree that that that our forefathers loved.

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Speaker 1: That and that's cool. That's a thing that they liked

827
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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 3: That was good, exactly exactly right. And I think the

829
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Speaker 3: thing that I was that I really that left that

830
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Speaker 3: I'm still thinking about about him is the way it says, hey,

831
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Speaker 3: here's the stuff that we that are forefathers, that the

832
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Speaker 3: people who built this country love to do and that

833
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Speaker 3: we we found a way to keep doing it that

834
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Speaker 3: we still love, like measuring black men and see how

835
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Speaker 3: big and tall they are, How big and tall we

836
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Speaker 3: love to measure, how big and tall and strong they are,

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Speaker 3: and we have found a way to keep doing it

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Speaker 3: through foot and that part of it, that part of

839
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Speaker 3: him is so powerful and unnerving to watch when they

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Speaker 3: have that scene Caid goes to the compound.

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Speaker 5: And he skipped the combine.

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Speaker 3: They have skipped them could do it, and of course

843
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: and the and the goats, like personal sports medicine physician

844
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Speaker 3: is like, okay, let's take your measurements, and they do

845
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Speaker 3: it right there, and you know they're measuring him from

846
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: head to toe.

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Speaker 5: They're saying crazy shit about.

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Speaker 3: Him, and it is so like it's such a visceral

849
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: moment that you that I felt like time collapse almost

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Speaker 3: where it's like we felt and it is that feeling

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Speaker 3: of Wow, we found a way to keep doing this,

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Speaker 3: haven't we. Yeah, but we don't want to talk about

853
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: how similar this is to things that have happened in

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Speaker 3: the past. And it's those moments that I've found to

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Speaker 3: be the most powerful about about him.

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Speaker 5: Greag.

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Speaker 8: I also liked, you know, the religious like subtext and

858
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 8: context throughout. You know, the team that he's trying to

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Speaker 8: make is called the Saviors. There's a lot of like

860
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Speaker 8: Jesus imagery.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: One of the lines that Marlin delivers that there's the

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Speaker 8: famous saying, you know, God family football, but he inverts

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Speaker 8: it so it's football family God. But he also like

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Speaker 8: used himself as a god.

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Speaker 5: Can we talk about that?

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Speaker 4: Because Joelle made one an incredible point, which was when

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Speaker 4: he perceives him like where he is obviously God, but

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Speaker 4: when he perceives himself like he puts that at the end,

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Speaker 4: so he like perceives himself lesser than football and family,

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Speaker 4: which I thought was a really interesting read. But also

872
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: the other thing that I thought was really funny. I

873
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: don't know if you heard this, but the guy who

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Speaker 4: sat next to us the whole through the movie completely chill,

875
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Speaker 4: Like we are popping off at a couple of friends

876
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: there who are really stoked about the movie.

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Speaker 5: Some of this stuff early on.

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Speaker 4: When they were like calling him like slurs, when they

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Speaker 4: were measuring him and stuff, My friends were like just

880
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: couldn't believe.

881
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: That that it was. They were just saying it the

882
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 5: way it is really done in football and stuff.

883
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: But the bit the guy next to us, the only

884
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: time he made like an outward exclamation of shock was

885
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: when they said he went, you know they say like family,

886
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: a good family, football, Well I say football family, God.

887
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 5: And this guy next to us went, what like that

888
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: was like.

889
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: The most salacious thing, and we were just dying after that.

890
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought the writing around that kind of

891
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: stuff was really great. I also, as again coming from

892
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: the outside of something I hadn't really considered about football culture,

893
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: I thought that the kind of a cultish dedication of

894
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: the fans outside, I thought they did a really good

895
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: job of just bringing that aspect of like when you

896
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: are a celebrity and you unknown and the way people

897
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 4: interact with you and the like kind of how scary

898
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: it must be to see these sweaty painted fans like

899
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: running at you.

900
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I thought.

901
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: But I also felt like that probably is another thing

902
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: that like is scary as shit when you're a young

903
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 4: guy in college, like and suddenly these people start actually

904
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: they have ownership, and I just thought it was interest Weirdly.

905
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: That was the part that like didn't that the fans

906
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: was the part that didn't really work for me. That

907
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: was when I felt like the movie lost it's its momentum.

908
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 3: It was really about like can uh, how far will

909
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: he go to be him? Right after they've shown us

910
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: like really what this process is?

911
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: That to me is the most interesting thing.

912
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: And then.

913
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: And then the movie goes to another level when we

914
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: see the climax of it in his essential like very

915
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: violent rejection of this entire of this entire process.

916
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and talk a little bit about that, because it's

917
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: very different to these movies. They usually don't end. They

918
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 4: usually end with someone accepting it rather than rejecting it.

919
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 8: Right, So towards the end of the movie, there's you know,

920
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 8: the big climax after he basically when Isaiah reveals what

921
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 8: is really going on, that they've been ingesting the blood

922
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 8: of like the previous great quarterbacks from the team throughout

923
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 8: generations and that's how they're able to maintain this power.

924
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 8: Whoever has the blood is the goat and there can

925
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 8: only be one. So there's a showdown between the two

926
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 8: of them and Caid wins and then he comes out

927
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 8: of the tunnel into the field on the compound and

928
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 8: you know the owner from the team is there is

929
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 8: agent all the cheerly. There's Julia Fox's character is there,

930
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 8: and they want him to sign costumes, yes weird ritualistic

931
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 8: like pig masks, and they want him to sign the

932
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 8: contract essentially like signing away his soul, you know, and

933
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 8: he rejects it and then brutally slaughters everyone there in

934
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 8: a like in like kill Bill style level, like blood

935
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 8: sprang everywhere. But you know, I think that part was

936
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 8: also interesting. The again, the metaphor you know, of he's

937
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 8: he's selling his soul, sacrificing his soul and his humanity

938
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 8: to become the greatest. But also it's the notion that

939
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 8: he is basically like the owners in this cabal of

940
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 8: people running the team or you know, using black bodies

941
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 8: as a commodity for their entertainment or to generate revenue

942
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 8: or income or anything, which you know is historically like

943
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 8: basically what sports have been America.

944
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

945
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: It's the and the line again, I think this is

946
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: that text versus subtext thing. Is like the line where

947
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: they have Tim Hideker like yell at him like you're

948
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: not special. We groomed you from childhood to be in

949
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: this position. That shit's just true again, like that is

950
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: the way that whiteness can perceive what they do for

951
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 4: talented athletes. I thought it was very honest. In some ways.

952
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the yellow like bloody climax of him violently

953
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: rejecting this entire power structure.

954
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: I also left.

955
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: Feeling like, you know, I love the I love the

956
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: listen it is true that football is this machine that

957
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: grinds up people's bodies and leaves them hollow, permanently incapacitated,

958
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: sometimes brain damage to an almost horrific degree. And at

959
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: the same time, like, while I found the violent rejection

960
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: to be like really cathartic, I was also left feeling like,

961
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: and yet we will be watching the football. There's someday

962
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: exact multi billion dollar machine, Like is this not just

963
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: a way that we is this like you know, like

964
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: there's a I guess it's just a reflection of my

965
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: own like interior cynicism about so much you know about

966
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: this thing these days. But I was left feeling like,

967
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad that that happened, that that somebody said it

968
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: and pointed out like what a fucked up thing this is.

969
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: And at the same time, how do we score that

970
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: with the fact that we are still watching.

971
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: I do think, yeah, I think that's a really good point.

972
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: I also think I definitely feel like the pacing is

973
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 4: off a little bit in that thad act, Like the

974
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: fight feels like it happens too quick, like between them,

975
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 4: there's such a good build up to it. But I don't,

976
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily it happens pretty fast. I also do

977
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: think as much as it's stylistically very enjoyable and you

978
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 4: love to see k it, I think that a lot

979
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: of times in stories like this, you end with the

980
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 4: person finding a way to you know, ready or not,

981
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: we end with Tomorrow weaving. She survives and all the

982
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 4: other people die, so she is.

983
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: Allowed to live on.

984
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: After this, I think that the interior logic of the

985
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 4: film does slightly loosen and you start to ask more

986
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: questions than you maybe would have found a different and

987
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: it's very cathartic.

988
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: Well, I will say in the set, I think you're

989
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: right in this sense, Rosie, which is it's after the movie.

990
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, the most interesting question is like, okay,

991
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: what now? Exactly what you do now?

992
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 4: Because so many people were like we need him too,

993
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 4: like they wanted because it is where he went.

994
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: It's it's one thing to, like in a moment of

995
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: catharsis and revolutionary violence, to reject this, But the question

996
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: is what do you do after and.

997
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 5: Do you think that's doing that?

998
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 3: You know even that, like I mean because like listen,

999
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: this the the the team is meant and to to

1000
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: uh embody.

1001
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 5: The entire yeah, the organization, all.

1002
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: Of football, right, But so like the question then becomes

1003
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: like how do we how do we reject that?

1004
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: Like it's the it's this.

1005
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: I feel the same way about it as I feel

1006
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: when I have conversations with my communist friends where I'm like,

1007
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 3: you don't even realize how how much the system that

1008
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: you reject validates your emotional needs, you know, Like it

1009
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: was the same kind of citizen I felt when I

1010
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 3: played Animal Crossing for the first time during the pandemic,

1011
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: and like.

1012
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: Even when even when we're.

1013
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: Like I hate capitalism, it's killing us, but you know,

1014
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: the late capitalism is strong the world yaha, YadA yahda,

1015
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: we can we can imagine still, It's all we can imagine. Still,

1016
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: it's the only way we can like have fun and

1017
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 3: quote unquote escape. And that's the part of it where

1018
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh fuck, like what I do need him

1019
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: to because like, tell me that you have an answer

1020
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: to this, and I feel like the unfortunately the answer

1021
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 3: is the answer. The staring all of us in the

1022
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: face all the time is like none of us have

1023
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: the answer.

1024
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also like the personal revolution can only take

1025
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: you so far, you know, as a singular person.

1026
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, I feel like, what do you guys feel like?

1027
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 5: I feel like this movie could be huge and I

1028
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 5: feel like it could miss. I loved it.

1029
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: I thought it was really fun. I thought I think

1030
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: it would be interesting. Yeah, what do you think.

1031
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 5: I think it could open to as big as like

1032
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 5: fifty mil that's my guess.

1033
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: And I think that would be a big opening for

1034
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 4: this movie, because this is not an a twenty four movie,

1035
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 4: even though it feels like one.

1036
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the Jordan Peele association will get

1037
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 8: people in the door. And I think that's gonna be

1038
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 8: intrigued for a lot of people. And you know, to

1039
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 8: the point that we made earlier, a lot of Jordan

1040
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 8: Peele directed and or produced movies, you know, tackle these

1041
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 8: different aspects of our society through his unique lens. And

1042
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 8: this one is sports, which is, you know, a unique

1043
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 8: twist on a horror movie, so I think it will

1044
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 8: have a good opening weekend, get people in the door.

1045
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 8: But once people start seeing it, I don't know if

1046
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 8: it's going to have legs necessarily because I think to

1047
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 8: not to compare it to like a get Out or

1048
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 8: something like that, but I just don't think it's as

1049
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 8: short of a movie.

1050
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: I think it's fair to do that because I think

1051
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: as soon as they put they say it's monkey Pole,

1052
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: they say it. I think it's okay to compact because

1053
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: that's what people look to me want to do.

1054
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 8: It's not on that level in my opinion, but story wise,

1055
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 8: story but visually and like everything else, and like the performances,

1056
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 8: which is another thing we haven't touched on really, but

1057
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 8: I think Marlon Wayne's was excellent in this. I think

1058
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 8: this could be a career defining performance for him.

1059
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 5: I feel like it too.

1060
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: I feel like he goes completely wild and I feel

1061
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: like it's.

1062
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 8: Super sinister but also charismatic, and the way he can

1063
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 8: switch it on a dime like was incredible because you know,

1064
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 8: we haven't really seen too many dramatic roles from him

1065
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 8: like this, so I think this could be, like I said,

1066
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 8: a career defining moment for him where this might open

1067
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 8: up opportunities to do more films like this. And then

1068
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 8: Julia Fox, I think was also a nice little standout surprist.

1069
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 8: She's so good, she's hilarious in it, so yeah, yeah, very.

1070
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 5: Very funny, and she's very aware of the movie she's in.

1071
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 4: I think that's like and Marlon is the same, I

1072
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 4: feel like, and I feel like the biggest influence here

1073
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 4: aside from you know, having Monkey Paul be a production

1074
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 4: company and the money that Jordan Peel's able to bring

1075
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: him because of the successive get Out and his other films,

1076
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: But like, I also feel like that leaning into comedy

1077
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: occasionally was very peelish the way that you're able to

1078
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: balance because it's not a horror comedy. But there are

1079
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 4: moments like after he pulls when he pulls the gun

1080
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 4: on Cade and then he's like afterwards, he's like, let's

1081
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: just hang out like bro Like, let's just do like

1082
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: what bros do. And then they cut and they he's

1083
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 4: like out in the desert shooting like old shit.

1084
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 5: The only like bros would never just hang out and

1085
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 5: do like.

1086
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: There was a lot of moments in there where there

1087
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 4: was like good laughs, which I think you wouldn't expect

1088
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: from how sinister and gory the movie is. I also

1089
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: want to shout out I love the choice of how

1090
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: much of like the X ray style cinematography they used

1091
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 4: was very clever, a totally unique version of what we've seen.

1092
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me they have a moral combat

1093
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: move like that. They call it X ray and you

1094
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: get to see people's bodies being broken and stuff. But

1095
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: I felt like the way they did it here in

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Speaker 4: the different times that they chose to show it and

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Speaker 4: show the damage that was being done or the way

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Speaker 4: they were fighting the internal damage, I just thought was

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Speaker 4: so unique and visually again like really striking.

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Speaker 8: It's beautiful, It's incredible like it it's a delight for

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Speaker 8: the eyes.

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be essentially a cult film.

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Speaker 5: I think so too right.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a nice opening and.

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Speaker 3: I see and I think it will it will grow

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Speaker 3: in stature, I think as the years go on. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a hit necessarily

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Speaker 3: is a cult film.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a cult film, and I also think

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Speaker 4: it could find a good home in seasonal viewing because

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Speaker 4: I feel like people always want to have a movie

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Speaker 4: to watch when it's Thanksgiving, have a movie to watch

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Speaker 4: when it's Christmas. Heave them this feels like you could

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Speaker 4: watch this anytime, or is whenever the season's about to start.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if we start to have La

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Speaker 4: cinemas screening this every year at the beginning of NFL season,

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Speaker 4: Like it feels like it could have that kind of

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Speaker 4: longevity and that kind of carving its own space as

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Speaker 4: a seasonal watch. But yeah, I'm really and I'm most

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Speaker 4: excited to just see how it does because I feel

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Speaker 4: like it's so much more inventive and visually strange and

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Speaker 4: absurd than a lot of wide release movies. So I'm

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Speaker 4: hoping this can be a kind of crossover. But I

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Speaker 4: think you're right, Jason, and it's it's got cult movie

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Speaker 4: written all over.

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Speaker 3: Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll be right

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Speaker 3: back with the whole crew to discuss our sports movies

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Speaker 3: that are not considered sports movies.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. Let's welcome in the entire crew.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Aaron, Welcome Joelle, Welcome Ian who's already been here

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Speaker 3: watching him. We were left feeling like, Okay, great sports movie,

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Speaker 3: that's not really a sports So then what are what

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Speaker 3: are movies that are not considered sports movies that we

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Speaker 3: consider sports movies? And what are our favorite versions of those?

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Speaker 2: Let's start with it.

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Speaker 6: This is my favorite challenge that you proposed, Jason, if

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Speaker 6: I could say, really we.

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Speaker 1: Can day I brought this up with someone. It's like opened.

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Speaker 4: In the car on the hallway home off this him

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Speaker 4: last night, just like a forty five minute drive just

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 4: about this, because you start to get into those same

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Speaker 4: issues we had with sci fi, like what does it

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Speaker 4: mean to be a sports movie? Like does it have

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Speaker 4: to be about the sport? Does it have to have

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Speaker 4: the lead person playing a sport? Does it have to

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 4: revolve around a certain game like a big play? At

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Speaker 4: the end, there's lots of interesting conversations. But but Aaron,

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Speaker 4: what is your controversial sports movie that's not a sports

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Speaker 4: movie that you were going to argue is a sports movie?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 9: So this movie centers around the competition. It takes place

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Speaker 9: in Philly, which is a sports town if I've ever

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 9: heard of one. The movie does like a really really

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Speaker 9: good job of fleshing.

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Speaker 5: Out must your face right now is so are you

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Speaker 5: like anti Philly? Joel is that what that was or what? No?

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Speaker 1: Just first it's like, is it the town? No, that's Boston.

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Speaker 1: I'll just have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my sports movie is key No, all right.

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Speaker 9: The movie is a really great job fleshing out multiple

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Speaker 9: teams of competitors, and what I really like is it

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Speaker 9: highlights kind of the darker, more salacious side of sports

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Speaker 9: off the court or off the field. So it has

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Speaker 9: you know, like ex lovers, psychotherapists, there's a trophy wife,

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Speaker 9: they have affairs with their trainers. Like this is a

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Speaker 9: complex movie about like the dark side of sports. They also,

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Speaker 9: for making the movie, had to stage the entire competition.

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Speaker 9: They couldn't record it an actual one, so there's over

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Speaker 9: sixty hours of footage shot for this movie. And the

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Speaker 9: final thing at the end of the movie, we follow

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Speaker 9: all the competitors home and we find out what their

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01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 9: fates are. Some of them have parlayed their sports fame

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Speaker 9: into a music career, some of them have left their

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 9: partner for a trainer. Some of them are now like

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 9: posing for calendars, and others of them are like making.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I got I know, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: Like name the fucking movie first.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be so dumb as you are.

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Speaker 3: Editor, I feel like you need to say the movie first,

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Speaker 3: because I've forgotten what the fuck we're talking about.

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01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 9: It's obvious I'm talking about best in Show. Christopher guests nice.

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Speaker 5: No good.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good one.

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 5: I think it's good. I think it's that I love

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Speaker 5: the leaden.

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01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: I agree, it's just dog sports.

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Speaker 1: I love it if it works and it's beautiful. That

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01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: was amazing. What a journey.

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Speaker 5: Who dares follow that?

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Speaker 1: I'll go next. I had such a hard time. I

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Speaker 1: called my dad. I was like, Dad, sports.

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Speaker 6: He was like, the ultimate sports movie is Brian's songs, like,

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Speaker 6: but people don't often think about it because it's sad,

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01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, kind of, but it's it's

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Speaker 6: also about truvents. No, I'm gonna pass on that one.

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Speaker 6: So then I was like, well, maybe i'se pick like

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Speaker 6: an endurance movie, Like is The Matrix technically a sports

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Speaker 6: movie because you.

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Speaker 1: Have the marathon run and learn and train and like.

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Speaker 10: He exactly, but town like sports guns are in the Olympics,

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Speaker 10: Technically that's a sport.

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Speaker 1: So I liked it, but I still wasn't giving me

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Speaker 1: that good feeling. But then we started.

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Speaker 6: Talking about dance movies, and I was like, yeah, Suspiria

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Speaker 6: is a sports movie.

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: Is competition of ballet, about the stress of trying to.

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Speaker 6: Maintain all of that, about the community of ballet, and

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 6: like the absolute like way it can take over your

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Speaker 6: life and the dedication of it.

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Speaker 1: It's such a like fun horror movie.

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Speaker 6: I was like, this is for sure, I'm I'm gonna I.

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Speaker 5: Like that could be a great double bill with him too.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, aesthetically yeah.

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Speaker 8: Ian, Okay, So mine is the classic Nick Cannon film.

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Speaker 8: Drum Line.

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Speaker 5: It's a class.

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Speaker 8: Perfect It's obviously sports adjacent. It's about a marching band,

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Speaker 8: but I think in this movie, you know, the the

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Speaker 8: drumming is the sport, but it has all the class

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Speaker 8: the tropes of a sports movie. You have the underdog story.

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Speaker 8: You know, Devin Miles comes in as like this hot

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 8: shot like guy, but he can't read music. But he's

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Speaker 8: like really talented, but you know, he's challenging the system

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Speaker 8: a little bit. Nobody wants him on the team.

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Speaker 9: He's a kid who plays pick up but never played exactly.

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Speaker 8: There's a big there's a lot of training montages, there's

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Speaker 8: a big focus on teamwork, obviously a lot of competition

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Speaker 8: and rivalry, not only within the band trying to make

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Speaker 8: the line, but then with the other school Morris Brown.

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Speaker 8: There's a big climactic competition at the end of the movie,

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Speaker 8: you know, the tagline One Band, One Sound is the

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Speaker 8: epitome of teamwork and collaboration, which is what sports is

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Speaker 8: all about.

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Speaker 5: I love it. So yeah.

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Speaker 8: It's also just like one of my favorite movies and

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Speaker 8: an honorable mention that I had, which is essentially the

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Speaker 8: same movie, but instead of Drumming, it's with Stepping Stump

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Speaker 8: the ar. Yeah, those are two sides of the same

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Speaker 8: coin in my opinion. But yeah, I love both those movies.

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Speaker 8: So I think Drumline is a sports movie.

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Speaker 5: I loved that one. I think that's really good. Jason

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Speaker 5: wats yours well.

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Speaker 3: I think Ian put his finger on the things that

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Speaker 3: you're looking for in a sports movie that even if

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Speaker 3: it's not considered a sports movie, which your competition, rivalry, teamwork,

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Speaker 3: the a a focus on the human form, bodies and

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Speaker 3: the talent that inhabits those bodies. And so I had

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Speaker 3: a I had a handful of ones, but I think

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Speaker 3: the one that that to me is.

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Speaker 2: A great sports movie. That's not a sports movie.

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Speaker 4: Is Magic Mica, because there's more sports.

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Speaker 3: The first one with you Magic mins. The first Magic

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Speaker 3: Mic is my first, is my favorite Magic Mike. And

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Speaker 3: I think that you've got You've got it all there.

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: You've got a team that doesn't understand it's a team, yet,

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: you've got mentorship. You've got to focus on on the

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Speaker 3: human form, on the on the athleticism and the physical

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01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: talents of the human form, and then the teamwork. And

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: then you've got a challenge that needs to be met

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: and the rivalries that need to be either fostered or

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: put aside in order to meet that challenge. And I

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: mean therefore, it's got to be You've got some great montages,

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Speaker 3: it's got to be.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be Magic Mic.

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Speaker 5: For me, Okay, I love that.

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 4: That's I'm a magic I am a I'm a Magic

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Speaker 4: Mike lover. I love Magic Mic one and Magic Mike XXL.

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Speaker 4: I So I had some really diabolical kind of ones

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Speaker 4: I was thinking of. The stupidest fust one I was

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Speaker 4: thinking of was Matilda, because yes, in the main villain

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Speaker 4: is an Olympic shot putter. Okay puts children throughout.

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Speaker 7: And if she had not been that bad, and if

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Speaker 7: she had not been, you know, this sporting kind of villain,

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 7: Matilda probably would never have got her powers.

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Speaker 4: So that's my first one.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it is a reach.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put out my real one that I

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Speaker 4: think is, in my opinion, one of the best sports

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Speaker 4: movies ever made. But maybe controversial because a lot of

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Speaker 4: what you're talking about does not happen in the movie.

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Speaker 4: I would say, what about the Safty Brothers legendary movie

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 4: Uncle Gems Features because the movie, the movie literally cannot

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Speaker 4: exist without the existence of basketball.

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 5: It has basketball stars in it, and not.

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Speaker 1: Just that, it has a focus on the human body.

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 4: Yes, and also at the end of the movie all

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 4: relies on one game, like the entire movie is using

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 4: hinges on the result of the game.

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Speaker 7: So I think I think that's one of the best.

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Speaker 5: This is definitely going on our letterbox, guys.

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Speaker 4: I will add this as a list to all let

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01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 4: box because this is another good one.

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Speaker 3: Well, I love these pics. All of these picks are

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Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic. Thank you for joining us, the super producers.

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Speaker 3: On the next episode of Extra Vision, We've got news

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Speaker 3: and more Peacemaker, more Alien Earth that's new episode, Thank

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Speaker 3: You Everybody.

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