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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff what dot com. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff. My name is Jonathan Strickland, and sitting across

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Speaker 1: from me is my brand new co host. Introduce yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lauren voc Obam. I am the social media editor

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Speaker 1: here at how Stuff Works, and I'm also your new

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Speaker 1: co host. That's awesome. Lauren's going to be giving us

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Speaker 1: her perspective on technology, and we thought that for her

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Speaker 1: first episode we should really tackle something she's really interested in.

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Speaker 1: But as it turns out, we already did an episode

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Speaker 1: on Halo. Yeah. Fortunately, there is at least one other

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Speaker 1: video game that I do play. I I cannot admit

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Speaker 1: to being a huge crazy gamer, but but I do

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Speaker 1: enjoy some things like, for example, Silent Hill. Yes, now,

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Speaker 1: Silent Hill a famous example of a game that's in

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Speaker 1: the survival horror genre. And I have to be perfectly

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Speaker 1: honest here, I have only ever played one Silent Hill game.

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Speaker 1: And I had to ask Lauren which one it was

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Speaker 1: Silent Hill too, And which is which is a good one?

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of the better ones. I hear, I

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Speaker 1: hear the story is really good, but I never got

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Speaker 1: for me because, frankly, because at the time, the the

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Speaker 1: still a little bit tank like at the time. Right.

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Speaker 1: But but first, I guess we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: what survival horror is now. It's a term that really

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Speaker 1: was introduced by Capcom when they released the first Resident

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Speaker 1: Evil game back in nine. But it's not the first

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Speaker 1: horror based game. There's plenty, There are plenty of examples

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Speaker 1: of horror games, but it was the first. It was

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Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, you're always going to have

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Speaker 1: And really it's kind of a sub genre. It tends

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Speaker 1: to fit underneath the action adventure genres, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: always think of adventure games like things like A Monkey

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Speaker 1: where you're it's it's more about solving puzzles and working

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Speaker 1: like killing all the things. So it's not a shooter,

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Speaker 1: it's not, but it's also not purely a puzzle game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and and there's certain things that that are that

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all horror horror. Yes, so there's

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Speaker 1: usually some sort of supernatural, nasty icky thing that's trying

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Speaker 1: trying to eat your kneecaps um. Usually there's a sense

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Speaker 1: him or her. You're you're dealing with that with a

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Speaker 1: The game. The game should essentially be over because it's

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Speaker 1: Uh not no slide against Borderlins two. Love that game,

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Speaker 1: but it's a totally different style of game. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Lauren, why don't you tell me a little bit about, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, how you got into this game? All right? Well, um,

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Speaker 1: things and getting angry because I can't wait to see

427
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: Lauren angry because I'm usually the angry one on this show.

428
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: And guess what, guys, I'm not always going to be

429
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: the angry one now, isn't it awesome? Someone else is

430
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: gonna be angry too. Sometimes I'm going to be the

431
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: one hiding super party. Uh So, Yeah, here, here's some

432
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: other games that came out, just to kind of give

433
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: you a comparison, uh with this this sort of revolutionary story.

434
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: So in ninety nine, that was also when we got

435
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: things like Ashron's Call, which was an online role playing game.

436
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: One of the early ones, Balter's Gate. Tales of the

437
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: Sword Coast came out that year. Uh. Cabella's big game

438
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: Hunter three, Cricket Cricket. The Cabella series has kind of

439
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: an interesting reputation online if you're not familiar with it.

440
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Kesslvania for Ninteno sixty four, it came out that year.

441
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: Crazy Taxi. I have that for my Dreamcast. I still

442
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: have a Dreamcast Dead or Alive two. Classy, classy game

443
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Donkey Kong sixty four Grand Theft Auto two that was

444
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: back when it was a top down game. It's not

445
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: a first person view or third person view. I think

446
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: the first person because it's when you're in the car,

447
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, third person and you don't know, you can

448
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: also do a third person in the car too, right,

449
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: Not everyone plays first person like I do. Um India

450
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Jones The Infernal Machine, which is a good example of

451
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: an adventure game that does not have a horror theme,

452
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: but it also had that sort of puzzle solving mechanic

453
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: that is very important in survival horror. UH, Planescape Torment,

454
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: which was a D and D game that got a

455
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: lot of fans. UM Quake three Arena if you want

456
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: that first person shooter experience, Residentval three Nemesis came out

457
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: that year. UH, SimCity three thousand came out that year.

458
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Ultima nine Ascension, the only ultimate game I have never played,

459
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: UH came out that year, and UH, the greatest video

460
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: game to ever come out on the N sixty four

461
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: came out that year, and it is not Golden I

462
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: what what is it? Jonathan w w F WrestleMania two

463
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: thousand and I am not joking, Jonathan. I'm sure that

464
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: you guys noticed, but Jonathan might be a little bit

465
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: excited sometimes about wrestling. WWF. Wrestle Mania two thousand is

466
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: one of my favorite video games of all time, bar none.

467
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: I even think it's better than No Mercy, which came

468
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: out the following year. Strong words, strong words, indeed, I've

469
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: never played. I'll bring it in excellent, and you're going

470
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: to create your own wrestler and it's gonna look like

471
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: you because I've already got one that looks like me.

472
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm not not sure if that's actually a true in

473
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: the game, but that's because it's based on a character

474
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: I played on stage. It's not the way I normally dress.

475
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: I mean, today's an exception. Anyway. That's an example of

476
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: the type of games that were coming out the same

477
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: year that Silent Hill did. So Silent Hill really was

478
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: very different because all the very different and that's the

479
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: main reason why I had I kind of assembled that list,

480
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: and that, of course is just a tiny, tiny sample

481
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: of all the hundreds of games that came out. Gaming

482
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: industry was a thing. It turns out, you know, there

483
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: were quite a few consoles on the market, and then

484
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: more we're coming out shortly thereafter. Because let's remember this

485
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: is the PlayStation one era, this is before Xbox. Yeah,

486
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: because it was only in two thousand one, September of

487
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: two thousand one that Silent Hill two came out for

488
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: the PS two and um uh and yeah, yeah, that

489
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: that game. That game built up off of the Silent

490
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: Hill one story in a way that was not necessarily

491
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: connected to the first story. None of the same characters

492
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: showed up aside from some of the some of the

493
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: villain monsters. Um But but what what they did with

494
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: the story is what I really find fascinating about the

495
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Silent Hill series, and I think why it has endured

496
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: as much as it has because what they did is, um,

497
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: they took they took this concept of this town that

498
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: has been that has been psychically messed around really hard,

499
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: and and they extended that so that any other any

500
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: other person who has had dealings with this town, the

501
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: town feeds off of any any psychic badness going on

502
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: with them. So damaged characters feed this thing. Damaged characters

503
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: feed this thing, and and it draws them in and

504
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: by their presence they changed the town, or they change

505
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: their own perception of the reality in the town. It's

506
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: a little bit it's a little bit shaky about how

507
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: that works, um but but no, it's fascinating because because

508
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: it means that that anyone who has had any kind

509
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: of contact with Silent Hill and then done something completely

510
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: terrible like people do, winds up being drawn back into

511
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: this town and going through their own extremely personal version

512
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: of hell, and and that that's awful. I don't want

513
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: that to happen to me, but I sure do you

514
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: want to play a video game about that that that

515
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: is emotionally fascinating. It's a it's a it's a definitely

516
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: interesting take on a story. Now there were things that

517
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: made you angry, there were there There ended up being

518
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: things that made me angry in this video game series. UM.

519
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: Eventually UM. A group of Konami employees called Team Silent

520
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: worked on the first four games. This was an internal

521
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: development team working directly underneath Konami. So Konami is developing

522
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: and publishing a game that was completely made in house, right.

523
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: It was kind of a pet project, especially after the

524
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: enormous success of the first game game UM. They had

525
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: an entire fifty people working on the second one, UM.

526
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I think it dropped down to maybe forty for the

527
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: for the third and fourth ones. The third and fourth

528
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: ones were actually developed nearly simultaneously within Konami. UM. Silent

529
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Hill three was a direct sequel to Silent Hill. Actually

530
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: it picked up again with Harry Mason's character or his

531
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: daughter actually spoiler alert UM. But as Silent Hill for

532
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: the room was built to be more of a shooter,

533
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: more of an action oriented game with still some of

534
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: the puzzle aspects and still set with the creepy atmosphere,

535
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: but it was intended to be more action packed, and

536
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: for me, honestly, that's why it failed. Um, which is

537
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: interesting because the Resident Evil series took a very similar approach,

538
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: like it changed to be a little bit, it got

539
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: increasingly more action oriented. But I think it actually managed

540
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: to find an audience, like a larger audience that way,

541
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: like people who had never thought of playing the other

542
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: games because because the play style didn't appeal to them.

543
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: But I can see how the elements that truly defined

544
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: the series early on, by getting away from that could

545
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: could potentially lose fans, all right, And it's not I mean,

546
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'll admit I'm the kind of person who

547
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: enjoys Missed, but I'm also the kind of person who

548
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: enjoys Halo. So it's not, you know, it's it's not

549
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: that I was just looking for a puzzle experience and

550
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: then I was upset that I had to shoot things.

551
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: So you people who have never played the game Missed

552
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: because there may be a few of you young guns

553
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: out there, Oh dear, I had never even thought of about. Yeah,

554
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting the inneurism vain that John hits me all

555
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: the time. But No Missed. Missed was a a a

556
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: puzzle game essentially, but it was done and there was

557
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: an over arching story that the puzzles all fit into.

558
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: You could argue whether or not the story made any sense,

559
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: or if the narrative was worth the effort of solving

560
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: these puzzles, some of which were seemed to have no

561
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: sense of logic to them. It was just one of

562
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: those things where click things until off happens. Um. But

563
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: you know there was there were logical underpinnings to most,

564
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: if not all, the puzzles. Sometimes that was just just

565
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: hidden enough from the player to not be obvious. But

566
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: that was that was a That was all you did

567
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: in that game was solve puzzles. So I was just

568
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: saying that so that way you could our listeners who

569
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with it, but probably no Halo would be

570
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: to have some kind of frame of reference. Yes, thank you, Jonathan.

571
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I'm here. After after Silent Hillford

572
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: came out, UM they started, Konami started UH shipping the

573
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: title out to various other studios. UM Climax Studios has

574
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: worked on it, um other stuff. Double Helix Vatter Games

575
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: did the most recent one I think and uh so yeah,

576
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: these these these are all American and I think batter's

577
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: at check company. Actually, Okay, so you've got you've got

578
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: companies that are not that are trying to preserve the

579
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: feeling of Silent Hill, but are not necessarily as invested

580
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: in it as the team that originally developed it. It's hard.

581
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: It's hard when it's not your baby to take quite

582
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: as good care of it. I think it can be

583
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a challenge. I mean, I'm sure that three four three

584
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Studios has that same sort of the burden of responsibility

585
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: to be good stewards of the Halo franchise. But it's

586
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: still not it's still not yours, and you're going to

587
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: want to do slightly different things with it. Um you know,

588
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like Willy Wonka wanting to recruit Charlie

589
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: and not a grown up because he can mold Charlie

590
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: to do his will. Another excellent documentary, yes, the first

591
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: one in name, starring Gene Wilder. But but yeah, and

592
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: and so so they and and and these people have

593
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: all loved the series of games. I've read a lot

594
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: of interviews with all of the creators, and and they

595
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: are so passionate about it, and I love hearing that.

596
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Except for the part where I feel like they took

597
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: more after held for the Room, most of the sequels

598
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: have been more actionally and um less puzzly. I get

599
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: a little bit frustrated when I just want to get

600
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: to the next point in the story and there are

601
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: so many things to shoot and I can't just run

602
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: away from them. Um uh. And and also there they

603
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: increased the level of violence. Um. Partially it was just

604
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: a graphics rendering issue, I think, because as graphics have improved,

605
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: you can you can really see the knife strokes and wow,

606
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: you can really see how the bone brew. No, but

607
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you can and and I'm kind of and I mean,

608
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not necessarily squeamish. Some of my favorite

609
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: horror films are things like hell Raiser or Slither. I

610
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: I loved not known for going easy on the gore.

611
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: I love a good schlock flick, but that's not necessarily

612
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for Silent Hill. And and like like

613
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: many nerds, I do get a little bit protective about

614
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: the media that I consume. And I'm sorry, oh no, no, no,

615
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it very much reminds me

616
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: of how Boris Karloff used to criticize the horror movie

617
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: industry because he said that the movies he made, he

618
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: liked to think of them as terror pictures, like the

619
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: idea was that they inspire terror, the sense of any

620
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: and fear, whereas horror movies were more about shocking you

621
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: and grossing you out. And it's two different things. It's

622
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: the same reason why again, I really like the Japanese

623
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: horror because it was something that could increase that tension

624
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: and terror, same way that I like some nineties seventies

625
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: and early eighties horror movies that were that because of

626
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: a lack of budget, they had to use other tricks

627
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: in order to really get you uneasy, And to me,

628
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: those are really effective. And if you have like a

629
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: huge budget and it's all about people exploding into it's

630
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: a blood, then after how can fit After like the

631
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: third or fourth time, you're like, okay, you know it's

632
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to bring up I love Samuraimi's work,

633
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but but evil dead, I mean

634
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: evil dead. You eventually are like, all right, how many

635
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: times am I going to see them? Have to try

636
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: and chop up this possessed person, you know, before it

637
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: gets a little bit, a little bit old, We're just funny,

638
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: it becomes not terrifying, right, which is why Evil Dead too.

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Speaker 1: And and then Army of Darkness took a more comedic

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Speaker 1: approach to the material because people were finding a movie

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Speaker 1: that was not intended to be comedic, in fact extremely funny. Yes,

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Speaker 1: sorry anyway, Uh yeah, so so the style of the

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Speaker 1: game changed. Yeah, the style of the game changed. And um,

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Speaker 1: and and there was the point at which I really

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Speaker 1: stopped playing Silent Hill. Was was at the end of

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Speaker 1: Silent Hill Homecoming. Um, your your final boss fight against

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Speaker 1: spoilers everywhere, apologies guides. Um, your final boss fight is

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Speaker 1: against this Freudian monsters representation of your pregnant mother, um

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Speaker 1: as a spider and you have to slash her pregnant

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Speaker 1: belly and she vomits on you. And that that is

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Speaker 1: the point at which I was like, I'm out, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm basically done with this. I'm not okay with this anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I and yes, that horrifying, that is completely horrifying,

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Speaker 1: But it's so horrifying that I don't want to look

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Speaker 1: at it anymore. It's not it's not fun. It's no

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Speaker 1: longer entertainment or fun. It's just it's just it's just wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's actually unsettling. It's not fun, unsettling, and so and

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Speaker 1: so that's the point at which I kind of gave

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Speaker 1: up on the series. That's that's kind of my feeling

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Speaker 1: about certain grindhouse horror movies, right where the grindhouse horror

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Speaker 1: was all about the taking exploitation to the furthest limits,

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Speaker 1: to the point where it's just truly uncomfortable to watch it.

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Speaker 1: And if you are, if you are at all entertained,

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Speaker 1: by what's unfolding on the streaming in front of you.

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Speaker 1: Some of the Catching me Gay's films do the same

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Speaker 1: thing for you, and um actually all of them audition audition,

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Speaker 1: and technically the Silent Hill Kids have called out the

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Speaker 1: author of the original novel of addition, um Riamrakhani, as

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Speaker 1: one of their u one of their unches. But but

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, you know so so,

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Speaker 1: so that's that's all part of that, that's all in there.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the Freudian, the psychological and I

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Speaker 1: keep I do keep using the word Freudian, and that's

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Speaker 1: only because that's all I can really call it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, I hate to go to Victorian about

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Speaker 1: things or two to armchair psychology about things, but but

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, the themes in this game are

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Speaker 1: full of full of doppelgangers and full of uh, all

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Speaker 1: of the representations of things that have come back to

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Speaker 1: haunt you. Literally coming back to haunt you except with

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Speaker 1: knives and coming back to haunt you except with nives

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Speaker 1: reminds me of a girl I used to date. Not

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Speaker 1: a different show, not tech stuff. But Silent Hill definitely

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Speaker 1: was a very influential game. I mean we could we

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Speaker 1: can see its influences in other games that came out,

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Speaker 1: things like even games that got super wacky, like Eternal

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Speaker 1: Darkness that was the in sixty four game goes in

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Speaker 1: sixty four, right, yeah, I think it's in sixty four

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Speaker 1: where it was the game would would would mess with you,

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Speaker 1: would mess with you, like it would like it looks

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Speaker 1: like it's suddenly turned itself off, or just the volume,

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Speaker 1: just the volume it would or you'd walk into a

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Speaker 1: room and everything's upside down, or you'd walk into a

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Speaker 1: room and suddenly you are one of the monsters. You're

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Speaker 1: not you anymore. And the whole idea was that it's

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Speaker 1: it's messing with your sanity, and as your character's sanity decreases,

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Speaker 1: it began to mess with you in a meta way

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Speaker 1: so that you're like, why is my volume going on

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Speaker 1: the way down? And then you turn the volume and

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Speaker 1: then when the volume comes back to normal, it's like

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Speaker 1: ten times as loud because you've been turning the volume

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Speaker 1: and your television up and it's just been faking that

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Speaker 1: the volume has been going down. Um. But but you

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Speaker 1: could see elements of Silent Hill informing these later entries

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Speaker 1: into the survival horror genre, including ones you know, like

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Speaker 1: I said that the definition of survival horror has changed

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Speaker 1: over the years to the point now where it's kind

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Speaker 1: of just a broad, uh label that would slap on

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Speaker 1: anything that happens to fall within the horror genre. Right,

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Speaker 1: But but that's not really what the what the genre

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Speaker 1: is is about. I'm going to go ahead and say

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Speaker 1: that that's not that's not what my survival horror genre

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Speaker 1: is about. That's fine, Lauren, you just go ahead and

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Speaker 1: define it, and we're sticking with your definition. That's what

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Speaker 1: we do here at tech Stuff too. We make sweeping

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Speaker 1: generalizations and then we stand by them. But now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: even even things like BioShock, I think you can see

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Speaker 1: the influence of something like silent heilen Um just because

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're creepy, and and that is that is

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Speaker 1: their point. Yeah. So, I mean I think that gives

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Speaker 1: us a lot of insight into who you are. You like,

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Speaker 1: you like creepy things. Uh, you get irritated when they change? Yes? Um, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's it. I'm pretty sure that's all we

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Speaker 1: need to know. But no, this, ladies and gentlemen, Uh

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Speaker 1: this She is our new co host. Lauren is going

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Speaker 1: to be joining us on this journey that we call

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Speaker 1: text Stuff, and I'm very much looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: She and I have had multiple extensive conversations in the

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Speaker 1: office about just about everything, and it becomes pretty clear

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Speaker 1: that her snarky sense of humor and my snarky sense

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Speaker 1: of humor complement each other really well. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to this experience of of recording podcasts with you.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what else we come up with.

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Speaker 1: I've already got lists of Stuff listeners are sending in

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Speaker 1: or the topics that we should tackle, and uh, and

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Speaker 1: so I don't think we're gonna be hurting for topics

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. Excellent. And yeah, So guys, if you have

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Speaker 1: any suggestions for future episodes of tech Stuff, or you

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Speaker 1: just want to say hi to Lauren and welcome her

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Speaker 1: to the tech stuff family, I highly recommend you let

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Speaker 1: us know. Send us an email. Our address is tech

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Speaker 1: stuff at Discovery dot com, or drop us a line

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Speaker 1: on Facebook or Twitter. Are handled. There is text stuff

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Speaker 1: hs W and Lauren and I will talk to you

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Speaker 1: again really soon. For more on this and thousands of

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