Speaker 1: Before we begin, a quick note, I'm recording this on
Speaker 1: Monday August. After twenty years of war. Kabbal and Afghanistan
Speaker 1: fell to the Taliban yesterday again. At this very moment,
Speaker 1: thousands of Afghans are crowded into Kabbal International Airport, desperately
Speaker 1: trying to escape. Two hours ago, I saw disturbing video
Speaker 1: that immediately reminded me of Nine eleven. People falling from
Speaker 1: the sky, People clinging to the landing gear of American
Speaker 1: planes trying to escape, little specs falling against a bright
Speaker 1: blue backdrop. I've tried to avoid geopolitics on this show.
Speaker 1: Nine eleven is just as much a human story. It
Speaker 1: still is. And Afghans so desperate to escape they fall
Speaker 1: from the sky is no different than an American on
Speaker 1: nine eleven so desperate to escape they too fell from
Speaker 1: a pie. Except this could have been avoided. There will
Speaker 1: be time, endless time for politics. Not now. There is
Speaker 1: an ongoing and building humanitarian catastrophe. Literally as I record this,
Speaker 1: we America have a responsibility to rescue the tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of Afghans who helped us during the past twenty
Speaker 1: years and their families. The women activists and l g
Speaker 1: B t Q, people and journalists who feel dire fear today.
Speaker 1: We cannot abandon them. This is a podcast. We're not
Speaker 1: going to change the world, but I know we have
Speaker 1: heavy listenership in d C and even some listeners in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Afghanistan has fallen, but we cannot abandon the men and
Speaker 1: women who helped us, their families, the thousands of refugees
Speaker 1: at the airport right now. We are not al Qaeda.
Speaker 1: We should not be responsible for such chaos and desperation
Speaker 1: that people are falling from the sky today. From my
Speaker 1: Heart Radio, this is Missing on nine eleven, the story
Speaker 1: of one woman who vanished on the eve of history
Speaker 1: and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John Zack,
Speaker 1: So today a unique and unusual episode We've obtained and
Speaker 1: will air for the first time FBI audio recorded at
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center on nine eleven during the attacks.
Speaker 1: It's the only uninterrupted recording of any kind to capture
Speaker 1: both plane crashes. Snippets of it have aired before, but
Speaker 1: never the entire thing. It would be easy for us
Speaker 1: to cut it down two crashes and screams and cascading debris,
Speaker 1: but I want to air everything. It's a piece of history,
Speaker 1: the final hour of normalcy at the Trade Center and
Speaker 1: then the attacks. How the audio came to be is
Speaker 1: interesting in its own right. On nine eleven, around seven am,
Speaker 1: two FBI agents and a New York City investigator met
Speaker 1: with an informant named Stephen mcgardell near City Hall, not
Speaker 1: far from the Trade Center. McCardell was a cooperating witness
Speaker 1: and a corruption investigation. The agents wired him with a
Speaker 1: recorder and separately a transmitter. You'll hear mcgardell walk to
Speaker 1: the Trade Center, into the mall below the Trade Center.
Speaker 1: You'll hear the murmurs of mundane life, the clock taking
Speaker 1: to catastrophe. Six am. McCardell is in the Greenhouse cafe
Speaker 1: inside the Marriott Hotel between the towers, on a bench
Speaker 1: in the plaza. Just outside their backs to the north
Speaker 1: tower are the three investigators, including FBI Special Agent Rodney Miller.
Speaker 1: Boom stories. But I've felt the heat like right on
Speaker 1: the back of my neck, as if it was right there.
Speaker 1: So I can imagine the amount of flame and zee
Speaker 1: that was going on within the building itself, that just
Speaker 1: must have been in an intense fire ball that you
Speaker 1: would fill it from such far away. Imagine heat on
Speaker 1: your neck. Look up a skyscraper a quarter mile high
Speaker 1: in the blue sky, A massive fireball metal and glass
Speaker 1: rained down on you. It was a very close call.
Speaker 1: Vividly one of the other agents that was running to
Speaker 1: the overhang and like every time steps she ran like
Speaker 1: a piece of debris with hit like right where a
Speaker 1: foot picked up from the ground right. So it was
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy how all that happened. Miller ran
Speaker 1: into the north tower to a security desk. He called
Speaker 1: his bosses at the FBI. He stayed in the lobby
Speaker 1: only ten to twelve minutes, then charged up the stairs.
Speaker 1: I get to the eighties six floor, and I'm a
Speaker 1: man of faith, and I just stopped where I was,
Speaker 1: and I clearly for the voice of God speak to me,
Speaker 1: and he said, Rodney, there is no use going any
Speaker 1: further up. It's time for you to leave and exit
Speaker 1: the building and just take as many people with you.
Speaker 1: And it was such a clear voice, because I even
Speaker 1: remember stopping and turning to the voice, and it was clear,
Speaker 1: and it gave me clearance starts. And so I go
Speaker 1: back down to like the seventy ninth floor, I believe,
Speaker 1: and right there I see one of the battalion fire
Speaker 1: chiefs for the New York Fire Department, and I clearly say, hey, sir,
Speaker 1: this is no use here. We have to get all
Speaker 1: of our resources and personnel out of here immediately. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I said that, the north towers started
Speaker 1: to sway back and forth. I would say it was
Speaker 1: almost a two ft sway inside the building. And I
Speaker 1: believe that swaying was called by the collapse of the
Speaker 1: south tower. So the south tower was hit second, but
Speaker 1: collapsed first. So we felt the south tower collapsing, which
Speaker 1: caused the north tower to sway back and forth. So
Speaker 1: we hit the ground. We're laying on the ground because
Speaker 1: the sway is so tremendous. And then at that point
Speaker 1: the time far achieved, he totally agreed. He was like, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're We're with you. And right then and there, all
Speaker 1: the Fire Department personnel just started unhooking their gear, dumping
Speaker 1: all their oxen and tanks, dumping all the heavy gear,
Speaker 1: and we just started a race back towards the ground floor,
Speaker 1: and whoever was still in the stairwell, we just just
Speaker 1: kind of lifted them up, picked them up or carry
Speaker 1: them and then departed the building. And one thing that
Speaker 1: I vividly recall as I exit the building is this
Speaker 1: everything is white from the collapse of the first building
Speaker 1: and the dust, and I'm looking for my supervisor. I'm
Speaker 1: looking for my fellow agents and personnel. But the scene
Speaker 1: is totally quiet. It's serene, and everything is covered in white.
Speaker 1: As my brain is trying to process what happened. Right then,
Speaker 1: I'm like, my brain goes, oh, Rodney, watch your step
Speaker 1: by the way, and I'm like, okay, why do I
Speaker 1: need to watch my step because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to step on that human torso or
Speaker 1: that head right there. So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can imagine that. Right, So I'm on the street. Everything's white,
Speaker 1: everything's quiet, and then there's body parts strewn all over
Speaker 1: the streets. So I walked further up the block. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to call into my supervisor to the command
Speaker 1: on my radio. Everything is kind of blacked out. And
Speaker 1: then three minutes after leaving the North Tower, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm running to another overhang because the building I was
Speaker 1: just in is started to collapse. Millard nearly died. The
Speaker 1: fire department had called the ATBI office and said when's
Speaker 1: the funeral for the I'm African American? When's the funeral
Speaker 1: for the African American ABI agent? And they were like,
Speaker 1: who are you talking about? He was like the guy
Speaker 1: who told us to evacuate the building, because if he
Speaker 1: didn't tell us to evacuate the building, many of us
Speaker 1: would have died. So we wanted to celebrate or memorialize
Speaker 1: his funeral. Was like, no, that that guy's Rodney Miller
Speaker 1: and he's sitting right here. He survived, right And then
Speaker 1: the FBI was in the dated with a lot of
Speaker 1: letters from the folks that were in the staircase. You know,
Speaker 1: thank you for that agent. You know, if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for him, I would have made it out. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you, so, when the plane hit and you were
Speaker 1: in the plaza, did you see anyone laying injured in
Speaker 1: the plaza? Did you see anyone who had been immediately
Speaker 1: killed by debris in the plaza? And then also when
Speaker 1: you were going down the stairs the last time, how
Speaker 1: many people were left in the stairwells? Were they pretty empty?
Speaker 1: It was pretty empty by that time. You just at
Speaker 1: so there was no I didn't see anyone that was
Speaker 1: because the plaza was pretty vacant, and it was fairly
Speaker 1: hot that day, so it's really you know, not a
Speaker 1: lot of people were launching around. Was just us out there,
Speaker 1: so it was pretty vacant. You probably had the research
Speaker 1: from what the angle the plane came in, but we
Speaker 1: were out where the plane I guess came out the
Speaker 1: blasts of the plane coming out, so we didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: and it was very desolate at the particular place. And
Speaker 1: then coming down the staircase was just kind of like
Speaker 1: the stragglers, just you know, folks who were having trouble,
Speaker 1: kind of exiting the building a timely matter, But we
Speaker 1: grabbed all those folks and we exited the building. When
Speaker 1: you went into the towers immediately after the first plane hit,
Speaker 1: did you see any civilians running into the towers? So
Speaker 1: the story that I'm looking at specifically is this case
Speaker 1: of this woman who disappeared on September ten, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, and she was a doctor and her family
Speaker 1: theorized that maybe she ran into the towers. Did you
Speaker 1: see any civilians being called into the towers, any nurses,
Speaker 1: there's anyone running in as as volunteers or is it
Speaker 1: mostly just first of s wonders trying to sher people
Speaker 1: out of the danger zone. Yeah. Al also is the cops,
Speaker 1: por authority, police and hypt and far department kind of
Speaker 1: rushing in. If there were civilians, there were probably more
Speaker 1: outside at various Triads sites that were very close to
Speaker 1: the building. This is separate, but one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things that I learned over the years is that after
Speaker 1: nine eleven, there was a disposable camera recovered at ground
Speaker 1: zero with photos taken on the upper levels, and it
Speaker 1: was developed by the FBI's explosives unit. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of that? No, I never heard of that. And
Speaker 1: then so with Stephen, when did you realize that you
Speaker 1: had this tape that you captured the crashes on tape?
Speaker 1: And how did the tapes are live? Right? So the
Speaker 1: recording device itself is pretty uh robust, So it's not
Speaker 1: like he handles the tape. It's a device that we
Speaker 1: give them and then that device has to be given
Speaker 1: back to us and then take and to be downloaded.
Speaker 1: So it's not a tape. It's more of a digital
Speaker 1: device that has to be downloaded. It's funny. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until weeks after that I was able to reconnect with
Speaker 1: Steven McCardell, because we didn't know if he had survived himself,
Speaker 1: but he did check in and said like he was okay.
Speaker 1: And then it just took weeks because I was assigned
Speaker 1: doing SWAT stuff. I was temporary assigned to the Joint
Speaker 1: Terrorism Task Force, So it took a while for us
Speaker 1: to kind of just reconnect and restart because, as you know,
Speaker 1: everybody was working terrorism and all these cases that we
Speaker 1: worked were kind of put to bed. So it was
Speaker 1: until we linked up further on down the road. I
Speaker 1: got the device back, I got it downloaded. This was
Speaker 1: probably months later. We listened to all the tapes that
Speaker 1: kind of see what happened, and then we realized, holy crap, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is important piece of history here, yea. So as
Speaker 1: I said earlier, we're going to air the entire recording.
Speaker 1: If you want, you can skip ahead seventy minutes to
Speaker 1: the attacks, but I encourage you to listen to everything,
Speaker 1: close your eyes, immerse yourself eleven seventy minutes until the
Speaker 1: world changes. Walking toward the trade center in the mall,
Speaker 1: underneath the trade center in a cafe between the towers.
Speaker 1: This especially as you're ronning the miller with the public
Speaker 1: Ruption Squad of the Federal Brew of Investigation. Today's date
Speaker 1: is September eleven, the year two thousand one. It's time
Speaker 1: now is a pastment six am today We'll be doing
Speaker 1: a consensual body recording between Stephen McCardell and Howard Haveler
Speaker 1: witnessing this. Uh meat will be special as in Victor
Speaker 1: Rocho with the FBI and Deputy Spector General Stasi Patel
Speaker 1: with the New York City Department Investigation. I will now
Speaker 1: give Stephen mccarll the recording device. M he said, they
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Speaker 1: And even if I had to keep very lively the
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Speaker 1: I still paying it, that's over my course. They are
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Speaker 1: just mathematically, I mean, do you work. You're working a
Speaker 1: year and two thousand numbers now, which is still good
Speaker 1: relative to year and ninety nine. So that I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my concerns. I mean, you can't have you know,
Speaker 1: a twenty pc increase this year is not going to
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