WEBVTT - Audio Artifact: The FBI Tape 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.480 Before we begin, a quick note, I'm recording this on 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:09.680 Monday August. After twenty years of war. Kabbal and Afghanistan 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.520 fell to the Taliban yesterday again. At this very moment, 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.119 thousands of Afghans are crowded into Kabbal International Airport, desperately 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.080 trying to escape. Two hours ago, I saw disturbing video 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.439 that immediately reminded me of Nine eleven. People falling from 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.680 the sky, People clinging to the landing gear of American 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.880 planes trying to escape, little specs falling against a bright 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.920 blue backdrop. I've tried to avoid geopolitics on this show. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.120 Nine eleven is just as much a human story. It 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:44.080 still is. And Afghans so desperate to escape they fall 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.640 from the sky is no different than an American on 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.040 nine eleven so desperate to escape they too fell from 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.559 a pie. Except this could have been avoided. There will 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.840 be time, endless time for politics. Not now. There is 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.280 an ongoing and building humanitarian catastrophe. Literally as I record this, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.600 we America have a responsibility to rescue the tens of 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.319 thousands of Afghans who helped us during the past twenty 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.080 years and their families. The women activists and l g 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.000 B t Q, people and journalists who feel dire fear today. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.959 We cannot abandon them. This is a podcast. We're not 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.120 going to change the world, but I know we have 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.800 heavy listenership in d C and even some listeners in Afghanistan. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.640 Afghanistan has fallen, but we cannot abandon the men and 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.440 women who helped us, their families, the thousands of refugees 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.440 at the airport right now. We are not al Qaeda. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.200 We should not be responsible for such chaos and desperation 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:50.400 that people are falling from the sky today. From my 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.000 Heart Radio, this is Missing on nine eleven, the story 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.640 of one woman who vanished on the eve of history 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.360 and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John Zack, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:33.320 So today a unique and unusual episode We've obtained and 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.880 will air for the first time FBI audio recorded at 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.720 the World Trade Center on nine eleven during the attacks. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.840 It's the only uninterrupted recording of any kind to capture 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.360 both plane crashes. Snippets of it have aired before, but 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.560 never the entire thing. It would be easy for us 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.720 to cut it down two crashes and screams and cascading debris, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.560 but I want to air everything. It's a piece of history, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.120 the final hour of normalcy at the Trade Center and 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.400 then the attacks. How the audio came to be is 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.720 interesting in its own right. On nine eleven, around seven am, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.200 two FBI agents and a New York City investigator met 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.600 with an informant named Stephen mcgardell near City Hall, not 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.120 far from the Trade Center. McCardell was a cooperating witness 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.480 and a corruption investigation. The agents wired him with a 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:28.040 recorder and separately a transmitter. You'll hear mcgardell walk to 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.000 the Trade Center, into the mall below the Trade Center. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.800 You'll hear the murmurs of mundane life, the clock taking 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:40.240 to catastrophe. Six am. McCardell is in the Greenhouse cafe 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.800 inside the Marriott Hotel between the towers, on a bench 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.680 in the plaza. Just outside their backs to the north 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.400 tower are the three investigators, including FBI Special Agent Rodney Miller. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:57.240 Boom stories. But I've felt the heat like right on 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.720 the back of my neck, as if it was right there. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.320 So I can imagine the amount of flame and zee 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.920 that was going on within the building itself, that just 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.360 must have been in an intense fire ball that you 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.840 would fill it from such far away. Imagine heat on 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.000 your neck. Look up a skyscraper a quarter mile high 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.279 in the blue sky, A massive fireball metal and glass 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.840 rained down on you. It was a very close call. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.159 Vividly one of the other agents that was running to 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.880 the overhang and like every time steps she ran like 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.480 a piece of debris with hit like right where a 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.000 foot picked up from the ground right. So it was 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.279 just kind of crazy how all that happened. Miller ran 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.480 into the north tower to a security desk. He called 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.320 his bosses at the FBI. He stayed in the lobby 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.560 only ten to twelve minutes, then charged up the stairs. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.400 I get to the eighties six floor, and I'm a 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.600 man of faith, and I just stopped where I was, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.719 and I clearly for the voice of God speak to me, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:09.719 and he said, Rodney, there is no use going any 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.920 further up. It's time for you to leave and exit 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.680 the building and just take as many people with you. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.760 And it was such a clear voice, because I even 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.919 remember stopping and turning to the voice, and it was clear, 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.200 and it gave me clearance starts. And so I go 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.760 back down to like the seventy ninth floor, I believe, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.919 and right there I see one of the battalion fire 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.560 chiefs for the New York Fire Department, and I clearly say, hey, sir, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.680 this is no use here. We have to get all 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.200 of our resources and personnel out of here immediately. And 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.479 as soon as I said that, the north towers started 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.240 to sway back and forth. I would say it was 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.280 almost a two ft sway inside the building. And I 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.480 believe that swaying was called by the collapse of the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.680 south tower. So the south tower was hit second, but 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.679 collapsed first. So we felt the south tower collapsing, which 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.920 caused the north tower to sway back and forth. So 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.360 we hit the ground. We're laying on the ground because 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.120 the sway is so tremendous. And then at that point 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.960 the time far achieved, he totally agreed. He was like, right, yeah, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.840 we're We're with you. And right then and there, all 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.960 the Fire Department personnel just started unhooking their gear, dumping 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.159 all their oxen and tanks, dumping all the heavy gear, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.240 and we just started a race back towards the ground floor, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.200 and whoever was still in the stairwell, we just just 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.040 kind of lifted them up, picked them up or carry 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.400 them and then departed the building. And one thing that 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.840 I vividly recall as I exit the building is this 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.840 everything is white from the collapse of the first building 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.160 and the dust, and I'm looking for my supervisor. I'm 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.760 looking for my fellow agents and personnel. But the scene 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:03.320 is totally quiet. It's serene, and everything is covered in white. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:08.680 As my brain is trying to process what happened. Right then, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.480 I'm like, my brain goes, oh, Rodney, watch your step 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.000 by the way, and I'm like, okay, why do I 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.120 need to watch my step because I was like, yeah, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.480 I don't want to step on that human torso or 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.320 that head right there. So I don't know if you 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.800 can imagine that. Right, So I'm on the street. Everything's white, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.560 everything's quiet, and then there's body parts strewn all over 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.840 the streets. So I walked further up the block. You know, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.320 I'm trying to call into my supervisor to the command 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.040 on my radio. Everything is kind of blacked out. And 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:50.080 then three minutes after leaving the North Tower, you know, 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.160 I'm running to another overhang because the building I was 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:58.400 just in is started to collapse. Millard nearly died. The 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.720 fire department had called the ATBI office and said when's 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.320 the funeral for the I'm African American? When's the funeral 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.280 for the African American ABI agent? And they were like, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.360 who are you talking about? He was like the guy 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.760 who told us to evacuate the building, because if he 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.080 didn't tell us to evacuate the building, many of us 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.920 would have died. So we wanted to celebrate or memorialize 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.200 his funeral. Was like, no, that that guy's Rodney Miller 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.600 and he's sitting right here. He survived, right And then 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.680 the FBI was in the dated with a lot of 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.280 letters from the folks that were in the staircase. You know, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.880 thank you for that agent. You know, if it wasn't 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.200 for him, I would have made it out. Let me 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.240 ask you, so, when the plane hit and you were 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.599 in the plaza, did you see anyone laying injured in 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.520 the plaza? Did you see anyone who had been immediately 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.640 killed by debris in the plaza? And then also when 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.559 you were going down the stairs the last time, how 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.679 many people were left in the stairwells? Were they pretty empty? 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.520 It was pretty empty by that time. You just at 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.400 so there was no I didn't see anyone that was 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.600 because the plaza was pretty vacant, and it was fairly 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.040 hot that day, so it's really you know, not a 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.360 lot of people were launching around. Was just us out there, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.840 so it was pretty vacant. You probably had the research 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.959 from what the angle the plane came in, but we 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.640 were out where the plane I guess came out the 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.520 blasts of the plane coming out, so we didn't see anything, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.080 and it was very desolate at the particular place. And 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.640 then coming down the staircase was just kind of like 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.800 the stragglers, just you know, folks who were having trouble, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.920 kind of exiting the building a timely matter, But we 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.520 grabbed all those folks and we exited the building. When 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.440 you went into the towers immediately after the first plane hit, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.480 did you see any civilians running into the towers? So 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.000 the story that I'm looking at specifically is this case 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.600 of this woman who disappeared on September ten, two thousand 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.560 and one, and she was a doctor and her family 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.160 theorized that maybe she ran into the towers. Did you 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.800 see any civilians being called into the towers, any nurses, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.840 there's anyone running in as as volunteers or is it 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.640 mostly just first of s wonders trying to sher people 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.880 out of the danger zone. Yeah. Al also is the cops, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.480 por authority, police and hypt and far department kind of 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.480 rushing in. If there were civilians, there were probably more 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.640 outside at various Triads sites that were very close to 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.079 the building. This is separate, but one of the interesting 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.839 things that I learned over the years is that after 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.800 nine eleven, there was a disposable camera recovered at ground 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.600 zero with photos taken on the upper levels, and it 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.559 was developed by the FBI's explosives unit. Have you ever 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.200 heard of that? No, I never heard of that. And 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.760 then so with Stephen, when did you realize that you 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.080 had this tape that you captured the crashes on tape? 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.520 And how did the tapes are live? Right? So the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:53.000 recording device itself is pretty uh robust, So it's not 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.120 like he handles the tape. It's a device that we 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.439 give them and then that device has to be given 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.280 back to us and then take and to be downloaded. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.280 So it's not a tape. It's more of a digital 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.480 device that has to be downloaded. It's funny. It wasn't 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.000 until weeks after that I was able to reconnect with 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.400 Steven McCardell, because we didn't know if he had survived himself, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.040 but he did check in and said like he was okay. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.200 And then it just took weeks because I was assigned 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.880 doing SWAT stuff. I was temporary assigned to the Joint 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.719 Terrorism Task Force, So it took a while for us 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.600 to kind of just reconnect and restart because, as you know, 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.839 everybody was working terrorism and all these cases that we 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.040 worked were kind of put to bed. So it was 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.480 until we linked up further on down the road. I 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.280 got the device back, I got it downloaded. This was 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.000 probably months later. We listened to all the tapes that 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.000 kind of see what happened, and then we realized, holy crap, Wow, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:12:25.480 this is important piece of history here, yea. So as 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.280 I said earlier, we're going to air the entire recording. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.280 If you want, you can skip ahead seventy minutes to 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.440 the attacks, but I encourage you to listen to everything, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:40.440 close your eyes, immerse yourself eleven seventy minutes until the 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.200 world changes. Walking toward the trade center in the mall, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.760 underneath the trade center in a cafe between the towers. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.880 This especially as you're ronning the miller with the public 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.199 Ruption Squad of the Federal Brew of Investigation. Today's date 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.520 is September eleven, the year two thousand one. It's time 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.880 now is a pastment six am today We'll be doing 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.680 a consensual body recording between Stephen McCardell and Howard Haveler 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:14.080 witnessing this. Uh meat will be special as in Victor 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:19.440 Rocho with the FBI and Deputy Spector General Stasi Patel 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.319 with the New York City Department Investigation. I will now 0:13:22.400 --> 0:14:08.040 give Stephen mccarll the recording device. M he said, they 0:14:08.120 --> 0:15:44.920 go for your yeah and the fire star so long, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:16:05.720 really ran the song to love one whist there right, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:19:14.080 pat made Hi got very old and may have will 0:19:14.119 --> 0:28:39.320 get right, got a martyrd or sh mmmmmmmmm, Sis, I'm 0:28:39.360 --> 0:29:04.440 not lacking, nun. There are ye good mornings. He will 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:13.440 call him, Yeah, how are you? 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You feel about can Yeah, 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.560 I don't actually do all right, kids? Do or can 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.239 that great? That the lord that's uh, that's the one 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:35.759 stead meet a little guy that a big guy wrote 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:41.520 he was up a h six o'clock this morning, still early, 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.640 just still all I'm can't show you're up better earlier. Yeah, 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.160 I gotta setter over. He wants every one they shouldn't 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.799 be up now, so go to some bat poll nine 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:54.560 thirty that every time they're going to say to shoot 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.200 ste if you say when I'm got, it's we're getting 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.280 all them out with a down away in the seventh 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.200 thirty when he was our beating the fall seat about 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.520 board at dread right, um, obviously I put him down 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.280 at seventh body that's very well putrolling, id the phones 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.440 around to mine, come riding and drop the boat in 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.760 and nine when he goes around the longer, I provious 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:25.760 to sleep on you see my eight got be brotherly 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:47.479 bab four asa rush today. Good to see that there's 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.640 m busy and in this business. Can't be that bad 0:37:54.440 --> 0:38:00.840 one hand, can't. I mean, if you can't do that, 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.239 maybe not this year, but then the companies of their 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:16.560 own reductions out there, maybe not this yep, not we 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:22.040 don't too last week. I don't stopping last tuesdays like 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.359 I spoke that hour to tell me and then said 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:29.200 abide the meeting comfort meetings. And I wasn't there only 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.040 he told me wasn't very and nobody was exciting. I'm 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.239 pretty sure that I talk to that out he thought, 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:35.879 he said. Maybe he just said there was a meeting 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:37.880 with hed told me to ye did meet to be 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.719 able to meeting because nobody understand we weren't. I'm gonna 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.440 have a meeting with you guys not there, but I 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.320 meet you too, man. I mean, I don't love it. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:51.000 Probably they called it that day and that was around right. 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:56.920 I said, the tram to rights some money and the 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.320 stories that got were mixed, so I'm not new. I 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:10.719 tell you what conctions, Yeah, I really matter much. I'm 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:17.400 pretty it's just yeah, wow, one type. That's what you 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:24.600 were saying. The other commercials and the capting tells a roll, 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:26.520 so you don't get the song. I think I should 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:31.839 have been dramatic to raise issue. Perry said that it's 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:40.880 all questionable where the ATM? Yeah, I think yeah pretty 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.680 ug Yeah, and I facingly what I was saying to 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:50.960 him was that you're facing you guys happen, Yeah, two 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:56.600 thous a problems us they shot up, they had places. 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:03.880 M there's no room for about the ess any comfortable. 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:15.480 I don't y u h poor god fully man and 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:28.279 welcome that broblem. I have a bottle. Okay, stop, thank 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:35.000 you for us. Yeah, I think you right too great 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:39.759 to do the attendance. I mean we're ahead. I don't 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.960 know you're playing me days, but I mean that you'd 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.120 during it for a reason, that's for sure. And you 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:49.160 have got I don't intend to ask hope. I mean 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.600 brand union man. I mean you gotta be for your 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:56.239 happ for ever. Know the support by the very right 0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:05.239 good lution works and many ways thanks to sign people. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.719 You mean like tact to show he had at till 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:15.080 I had upon the air shot grimmy when they gave 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:25.600 us to cancer do the home doing process product like 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:36.040 that under right who come to the right and that 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:41.279 value very very conte rights to song at a time. 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.840 I don't keep your jobs. You have to thank me 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:47.840 review I mean how many I don't know, I may 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.520 crosses he chase your eyes. What I mean I basically 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.000 saying you keep you like a head. Someone has to 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.719 say it and you can't do what he longer out 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:04.439 of them. I because this years ago. Guys, you can't 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:09.200 to put you stay right fula if you want some 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.239 where to pay what you're doing, they get pensibility to 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:18.400 pay the right. I'm not gonna be us say that 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:22.600 you bought me and they got straight computer streat computer 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:28.239 and they had killings. They loved god vers about whom 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:34.000 would be playing computing an actively. I gave you dreams. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.960 I don't know why talk about yes, the ways that 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:47.920 light head for where you fas so the numbers us 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.080 all rot. I don't know. No one gets that's my 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:56.280 better check questions. You can't come back. I'm not strict 0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:06.719 to being te Well, unfortunately he can't say the same 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.880 thing about this town. It's one of the most expensive 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:20.319 towns to do business in the world, the world confer Yeah, 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:31.120 m now, Jim, is he all right? You talked to 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:44.200 on my wak How how is he a meniscus? And 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:57.440 I don't know it wasn't dan produce direct are mentally? 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:13.879 How is he to keep so? He soon on? Even 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:15.640 I said anything for mom and he said he hadn't 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:26.040 called him. Okay, that's okay, you are okay. Now in 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.600 your opinion, is it wise to meet them once or 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:47.600 something or just okay? But people Jim let hope, I 0:44:47.719 --> 0:45:05.919 d one hope the joy Joe I or Rot said 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.160 the said after I got a way, shut the door, 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:25.799 I wanted to come right for ra yeahs, last round, 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:55.160 smooch around. I sat. Yeah, everybody, I'm gonna make a 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:06.840 m and say everything. I know you had nothing for 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:21.920 you read en Mo Tennant, thank you back anything right, 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:33.239 see people who got to pin you? Where yea yet 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:48.400 I actually say many ways. Jost said that joking about it, 0:46:48.880 --> 0:47:03.359 I'd thank you back yard. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.879 he got that problem, just that I'm doing something out 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:14.399 of him book right, all right? Ye want me think 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.840 about it, so you know I don't. I don't disagree. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:26.480 I don't disagree with that because clearly, if the Commissioner 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:32.920 I had it, which obviously he does, he's not planting 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:37.239 down on the d A. I see passion the grounds 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:41.839 only that's only a good thing here. I'm tell he's 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:47.839 gone to talk Aboudy got all rights, which always tell 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:53.399 me peoples see deserves a good purpose. But it's still 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.240 a certain leab of fear bring problem and the stills 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.319 a certain lebin of beeing, which maybe they're opening will 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:06.520 do right. Why else were you hand out? I'm sure 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.960 that's a liberal, that's my point. Yeah, I mean something 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.320 like that, that's go getting around Mattia's I mean it 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.560 end to fail you if even if Benny knows he knows, 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:25.080 he's still he knows, man, he's gonna tell people rout, 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.880 aren't you generate out? What's that? We don't? We got 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:36.360 at a who said Malaba tell you that he probably 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:44.600 really arts to tell him about tell him just till 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:50.200 some common us. He said that to you. See, that's 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.799 why that's step where I meant by you know he's 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.880 gonna tell people, Yeah, he said, just let him friends. 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:02.320 I'm not gonna tell him who working to fiends of 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:06.399 friends and so that astracts to you they open. That's 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:14.560 stunning when he said, Strell, since you want to never 0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:19.600 started charge you to I s So are we that 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:36.799 dude where a numbers super pas shoes n that's looking 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.839 that it's just always ascussions just in in no place 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.360 in the ad place you will because you have to 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:50.239 assume that that's a hyde packer. Yeah, the institution, And 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:59.600 I absolutely absolutely said I don't try to tell the 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:04.759 showing yeah when he wasn't about that incit mindy you 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:09.600 see thing or not. But I'm chanting because because you 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:13.600 know I haven't maybe you'll maybe you'll money just to happen, 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:22.240 but to sta talk about kind of yeah happy numbers 0:50:22.280 --> 0:51:06.120 of just happens. Okay, lay yeah yeah yeas very ya. 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:13.400 Okay did you guys don't try to che don't like 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:43.359 said me for my side. Ye tisn't like he said, 0:51:43.400 --> 0:52:28.279 you haven't spot y n you know you do not 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:37.839 very so all talk down there was that even true 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:44.600 that I did the vote for the things that are 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:58.680 very problem, but that the name that many pot want 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:18.440