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Speaker 4: How the hell's everyone feeling here?

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 5: Good morning, doing great?

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Speaker 4: Let's go, Yeah, let's listen. It was a It was

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Speaker 4: a lot of spending yesterday. Okay, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: a lot of financial decisions that were made in the

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Speaker 4: National Football League. We had some history be made at

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Speaker 4: a couple of different spots. One to start off with,

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Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins actually did it. They're going to swallow

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Speaker 4: what ninety nine million dollars in dead cap with Tua

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Speaker 4: Tagoba looa joke. They're going to do a post June

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Speaker 4: one designation, so they're going to be able to split it,

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Speaker 4: I guess over the next couple of years. So they

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Speaker 4: do that, and then they go out and they spend

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Speaker 4: money on a three year deal to get Malik Willis

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Speaker 4: to reunite with the Packers brass that was in Green

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Speaker 4: Bay with him over the past couple of years. And

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Speaker 4: then Tua ends up in Atlanta signing a one year

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Speaker 4: deal with the Falcons to compete there.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of lefties going at it.

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Speaker 4: So with that on the table, where should we start

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Speaker 4: sort of dissecting this entire situation in Miami in Atlanta?

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Speaker 6: I mean, well, why don't we just pick one.

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Speaker 1: I'd look at it and say this, when's the last

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Speaker 1: time we've ever seen two lefties on a roster together.

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Speaker 6: In the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we were naming off lefties, but I never thought

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Speaker 5: to name off two lefties on the same team. I

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Speaker 5: don't know.

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Speaker 1: So do you know how many and this is according

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Speaker 1: to my sources at Wikipedia, do you know how many

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Speaker 1: lefties have players actually started playing games in the NFL

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Speaker 1: and NFL history?

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Speaker 3: Should we do prices?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I lost some prices right, lefty edition, lefty right?

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Speaker 6: Excuse me?

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Speaker 1: Not starting just had played in an NFL game. So

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Speaker 4: In Okay, I'm gonna say twenty nine. No, okay, okay, no, LeVar,

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Speaker 5: Twelve.

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Speaker 1: There's a big dispepancy between you two. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: actually thirty three. To look at the DA have played

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Speaker 1: the games in NFL history. So Jonas wins that one,

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Speaker 1: and then I think that many I thought, like with

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Speaker 1: my reaction, maybe it would have been like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: he's like Jonas is somewhat close. All right, how many

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Speaker 1: times have we seen two left handed quarterbacks on the

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Speaker 1: same rush. Now, this I believe, based on my research,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think wherever, where would an overlap. I'm

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Speaker 4: going with never that that was my initial thought would

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Speaker 4: be never. But I'll say one, LeVar Arrington, you're right,

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Speaker 4: damn it. This never happened. Never happened.

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Speaker 1: According to Jack Rock, Wikipedia did the different sources.

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Speaker 4: Now, if you're the Falcons and you're really about setting

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Speaker 3: Lead out of reach, go get Dylan Gabriel. Come on,

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Speaker 3: he's not competing for that job in Cleveland. Like, what

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Speaker 4: Like what Mary kay Kappit says, he's got no shot

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Speaker 3: So what are we doing here? Let's just load up

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Speaker 3: on lefties in Atlanta? Why not?

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Speaker 1: It does make sense though, right, like mood up with

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Speaker 4: Do you believe that that's is that a real thing

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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, look, I know we want to give

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Speaker 1: We all want to make jokes about it. But he

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Speaker 1: And then I think we looked at it and say,

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 5: I just in my mind that's just what I felt.

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Speaker 5: I just think the lasting images of him when he

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Speaker 5: If you're making that amount of money that you're guaranteed

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Speaker 5: better quarterback than Michael Pennix, to be honest, even where

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Speaker 5: for Atlanta. I just just find myself. Maybe I'm just

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Speaker 4: And he I mean, he got the deal from the

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Speaker 4: so that was and he had the injury history in

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Speaker 4: the contract. I just I don't, you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: He's probably got a lot to prove. Clearly, it was

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happened last year. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski's done good things with quarterbacks before, and if

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Speaker 4: And in that division, who's to say he doesn't step

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Speaker 4: maybe that's the best quarterback they got there, Like, he

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Speaker 4: could be the best quarterback in that division.

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Speaker 3: It's possible.

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Speaker 6: I think Baker Bayfield.

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Speaker 1: Is the best quarterback that division right now.

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Speaker 6: Now, I'll say this, he does have talent around him.

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Speaker 1: There will be a system in place that again it's

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Speaker 6: But I just don't know. I think the Bucks to

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Speaker 1: Still the top team in that division at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of wild to think about what they went

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins to basically a you know, one hundred million

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Speaker 1: to basically, you know, play them a little bit and

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know the whole thought process behind

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Speaker 1: the off season. A lot of hype, a lot of signings.

441
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Speaker 1: In some cases, yeah, it'll pay off. But the truth

442
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Speaker 1: of the matter is this, besides the Lenderbaum signing, maybe

443
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: you say to Kobe Dean and kway Walker to help

444
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: share up the defense. Most of these deals there're gonna

445
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: be one year deals, maybe two year deals at best,

446
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: and a year from now we'll be having a discussion

447
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: about the team potentially moving on. That's how it typically

448
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: works in free and see if the player. And this

449
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: is what's interesting about Linderbaum is he's one of those

450
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: players that you would have said, why would any team

451
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: want to let him go? You know, clearly the Ravens,

452
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: you know, thought he was replaceable. Otherwise they wouldn't let

453
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: him get the free agency in the first place, you know,

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: or it's just one of those tough decisions you have

455
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: to make, and they look at the center position, they say,

456
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: we want to invest and allocate our capital elsewhere. So

457
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: it looks as if the Raiders want to be big spenders.

458
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: They want to try to turn things around. They're trying

459
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: to shore up their offensive line by bringing in Linderbaum,

460
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: so they give him a record setting deal for centers,

461
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: and then you look at what they've done defensively, Ni Kobe,

462
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: Dean Kway, Walker, Quitty Pay, you know, Malcolm konz who's

463
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Speaker 1: you know, they sign him to a one year deal.

464
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Speaker 1: He's kind of been an up and cover player in

465
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: my mind, Eric Stokes, they resigned to a three year,

466
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar deal. So the sort of thing you

467
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Speaker 1: want to see. But you know, ultimately, when you trade

468
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Speaker 1: away Max Crosby to the Baltimore Ravens, I just, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: that's one of those moves that I understand his frustrat

470
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: issue with the team. I understand that, you know, maybe

471
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Speaker 1: they felt like they that bridge was burned.

472
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Speaker 6: There's no way they.

473
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Speaker 1: Can go back to it, But I don't know how

474
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: this makes this team any better. And it feels like,

475
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna take Fernando Mendozo number one overall

476
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Speaker 1: with this draft pick.

477
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Speaker 6: I think that this signals that's you.

478
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Speaker 1: With the Linderbaum signing, they added and Jalen Naylor as

479
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: well to help out at the wide receiver spot. But

480
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: the releasing of Geno Smith, everything that kind of coincides

481
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Speaker 1: with this. It leads you to think they're going to

482
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Speaker 1: take a quarterback with that first overall pick. But what

483
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Speaker 1: kind of team is he going to be coming into.

484
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: You know, probably still a team that's gonna be one

485
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: of the worst rosters in the league and it's gonna

486
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Speaker 1: be a u pill battle for him. But yeah, there's

487
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: they're spending a ton of money, man, and I'm sure

488
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Speaker 1: there's there people in Vegas.

489
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Speaker 6: Who love to see this. At least the team's trying

490
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Speaker 6: to make this team better.

491
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Speaker 5: They are making a move to try to make the

492
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Speaker 5: team better. They also probably did the right thing by,

493
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Speaker 5: you know, moving on from Max Crosby. Max gave them

494
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 5: some some really good years and and giving him an

495
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 5: opportunity to go somewhere and maybe see if he can

496
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 5: win seems to make a ton of sense to me.

497
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 5: The lindernbaumb I just again, I can't get around thinking

498
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: that how how important centers are to your team, for one,

499
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 5: and then the fact that the fact that I just

500
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Speaker 5: don't there are a few good Actually it's a good,

501
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 5: good draft with centers and in linemen this year. But

502
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 5: I just don't think. I think the Ravens did not

503
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Speaker 5: improve losing what the best, the best center in the league.

504
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Speaker 5: I I you know, I don't. I don't know what

505
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 5: the Ravens felt about it to not franchise tag them

506
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Speaker 5: to not I mean, they did offer him a nice amount,

507
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 5: it just wasn't high enough. I just don't know. I

508
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 5: don't know if this I think this takes Baltimore's offensive

509
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: line a step back, a major step back. Which what

510
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: does that mean for Lamar Jackson and this year if

511
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Speaker 5: they don't find a way to plug that gap and

512
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 5: for the Raiders.

513
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Speaker 7: I I.

514
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 5: Don't know what to think because I don't have high

515
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: expectation expectations for them to begin with. So it's very

516
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 5: difficult to say that losing Max Crosby but gaining a

517
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 5: sinner in Linderbaum made this a better team. I just

518
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 5: think it's just a wait and see approach with the Raiders.

519
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: The story that came out, I think it was Diana

520
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: Rossini who had it last week, and she was talking about,

521
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Speaker 4: you know, after they released Geno Smith, that the Raiders

522
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 4: would like to find a veteran quarterback that if they

523
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Speaker 4: go to the route of Fernanda Mendoza, they don't want

524
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Speaker 4: him to start right away.

525
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: I don't.

526
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Speaker 4: I don't get it if that's if that's the plan,

527
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: if that's what they're trying to do, I don't get it.

528
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: You've got the number one pick. I would assume you'd

529
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: rather find out sooner rather than later. And if you're

530
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 4: going to improve the offensive line by going out and

531
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Speaker 4: signing the best center, the best offensive lineman of the

532
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: free agency class, and you give him that sort of contract,

533
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: that seems to me like, if Fernanda Mendoz is going

534
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: to be your pick at number one, then that would

535
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: mean that I would want to start him right away

536
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: and just go with that and see what Koobiak can

537
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: do and just go through the growing pains, but at

538
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: least get an answer one way or the other whether

539
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: or not he really is the quarterback of the future.

540
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: Or the franchise quarterback.

541
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Speaker 4: And so when I saw the Linderbom signing, that just

542
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: seemed more and more obvious to me that this is

543
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: the direction they were going. And from the Baltimore standpoint,

544
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: the reports are they offered him a twenty million dollar deal,

545
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: he passed, they offered him twenty two, he passed. He

546
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: got a much bigger deal from the Raiders. But I

547
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: guess it was the fact that Baltimore wanted a fourth year,

548
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: and with this steal with the Raiders, it means he

549
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: can get to another contract at twenty eight, So I

550
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: guess it was I guess the sticking point was the

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: number of years, but the fact that Baltimore, an organization

552
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 4: that usually makes the right moves from a personnel standpoint,

553
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 4: didn't franchise him and ultimately decided we'll just take our

554
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 4: chances with him leaving. I just wonder what else, what

555
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: else is there?

556
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: And I don't want to.

557
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: Say overrated, but maybe they didn't see the value that

558
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: clearly the Raiders did. I just when an organization like

559
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: that makes a decision to not retain a guy like that,

560
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: when they usually always retain you know, their players, whether

561
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: it's Hamilton and all these other great players they've had

562
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: over the past few years. It just makes me wonder

563
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: what they didn't see in him that the Raiders and

564
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: some others did.

565
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: They raise his eyebows, right, I mean, that's that's for

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: a player that you ever, I think everyone looked at

567
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and said he's he's a great player. It makes a

568
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of sense and for them not to be able

569
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: to work this out somehow, But I think it comes

570
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: down to maybe a couple of things.

571
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 6: The first would be we talked.

572
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: About the contract situation, but you know also that just

573
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: then allocation of your salary cap and where you're willing

574
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: to spend a little bit more and where you're probably

575
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: willing to not. And as tough as it is to say,

576
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, tackles in the offensive line are just valued

577
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: that much higher, maybe even more so, you know than

578
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: even you know, centering guards, and then even guards, maybe

579
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: even more than the center sometimes. So if you're looking

580
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: at from that standpoint, it could have been a philosophical

581
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: difference of how they want to go about spending some

582
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: of those the extra money that when they can. I

583
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: think the other thing that you have to look at

584
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson it's no spring chicken, meaning he's a

585
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: veteran this league.

586
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 6: You know, when you look.

587
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: At the move that the Raiders are making, Quinn Kolbiaks

588
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: bringing a center who's going to help from dam endos

589
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: up with a lot of the calls they're making in

590
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: the run game, pass protection, you know, against you know,

591
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the blitz schemes and things they're going

592
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to see. They've got a veteran guy in there taking

593
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: it off as plate, allowing Fernando to get comfortable in there,

594
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: and that was probably a huge priority for him.

595
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 6: To your point, if they are going to draft.

596
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: The number one overall, if they are going to play

597
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: him right away, which everything signals they're going to, this

598
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: is that sort of move where we want to make

599
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: sure that we've got a guy.

600
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: In there who's communicating.

601
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Clearly to our offensive line what their jobs are and

602
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: helping to protect our quarterback so he's not getting killed

603
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: out there. I think that's the other piece of this

604
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: equation is Baltimore's not in that position. Lamar can handle

605
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: all of that now, He's played for a long time

606
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: in this league. For the Raiders, they see greater value

607
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: in what that center can bring especially a veteran center

608
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: when playing at such a high level. So you know, look,

609
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: there might be some people who disagree with this, but

610
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flat out say it. You know, sometimes your

611
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: weakest offensive lineman is your center. And the reason why

612
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: that is is because he is always give some sort

613
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: of help from either one of the guards or the

614
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: way you could scheme things up to help him out.

615
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: And that's one of those things where we always talk

616
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: about tackles being on islands. One of the reasons why

617
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: they're the most covenant value is because they're on the edge.

618
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: There's often times where no matter what, like, they're gonna

619
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: be one on one and they've got to be able

620
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: to go up against some of the most athletic freaks

621
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: in the league that you've ever seen.

622
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 6: And so you know, as you as you.

623
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Cut it down, that center, for the most part, is

624
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: going to at least get a hand, It's going to

625
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: at least get you know, some of their presence there

626
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: from one of those guards helping to kind of protect him.

627
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: Even in bearfronts. You know, he's subject to, you know,

628
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: being bull rushed. But for the most part, there's different

629
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: ways of being able to protect the center. From being overmatched,

630
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, schematically speaking, you know, there's ways of helping

631
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: him out. So that might be another thing too, going

632
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: back to the philosophical discussion of like who we're gonna pay,

633
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: how much you're gonna pay him, you know, oftentimes just

634
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: saying now I I want to pay the guys. It's

635
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna be the blind side from my quarterback going up

636
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: against the toughest matchup, you know, maybe we have on

637
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: the field and that tackle versus that edge rusher.

638
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 6: So it could probably come down.

639
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: I think that those two things, you know, one of

640
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: them beings the difference between how where the Raiders are

641
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: at where Baltimore ravens a.

642
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 6: Right at the quarterback spot.

643
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: Again, I think both teams are in what would be

644
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: considered to be a difficult position. I really do. I

645
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: don't know that they definitively improved on either side. I

646
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: think that Max Crosby is that's a that's a critical loss.

647
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 5: I think Tyler Lindenbaum is a critical loss. And I

648
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: don't know how to I really don't know how to

649
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: monitor or weigh them. Which one would be the bigger loss?

650
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I just don't I don't know. But I

651
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 5: do think that their additions improved each other's teams. I

652
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 5: just don't was the singular piece of adding Max Crosby

653
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: the difference for you know, for Baltimore, I would say, no,

654
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: they need more. Is losing Tyler Lindenbaum. Is that a

655
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: bigger loss for you know, for for Baltimore? And is

656
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: that a bigger gain? It shures up, it shoes up,

657
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Speaker 5: this this this offensive line. It's a pretty decent offensive

658
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Speaker 5: line in in Las Vegas. But I again, you're you're

659
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Speaker 5: probably going to draft number one overall. I mean, you're

660
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Speaker 5: going to draft Mendoz over number one overall. I just

661
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Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know. I don't have high expectations

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Speaker 5: for the Raiders. So I feel as though I feel

663
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Speaker 5: as though until we see more see this group that

664
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Speaker 5: they've put together, which is an impressive group of free

665
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Speaker 5: agents that they put together, I'm you know, I don't

666
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Speaker 5: I just don't know. But I think the Ravens we

667
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Speaker 5: may see a new Ravens. I do say that. I

668
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Speaker 5: will say that I'm feeling as though we're going to

669
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Speaker 5: see a different type of Ravens team this year, and

670
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Speaker 5: it's not going to be in my estimation, trending in

671
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Speaker 5: the right direction.

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Speaker 4: So they were I think it was their lowest sack

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Speaker 4: total in fifteen years. They couldn't get to the quarterback

674
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Speaker 4: last year, and I think of all the edge rushers,

675
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: you know, whoever led them had four and a half sacks.

676
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Speaker 4: They just they couldn't generate any pressure on the quarterback

677
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Speaker 4: last year. And they had all the injuries as well

678
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: too on defense, which didn't help. So I look at

679
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Speaker 4: it and I go, you definitely improved that side of

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Speaker 4: the ball. You've taken a hit by, you know, deciding

681
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Speaker 4: to not retain Linderbaum when you could have easily given

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Speaker 4: him the franchise tag. Although the salary cap numbers and

683
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Speaker 4: all that that you would, you know.

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Speaker 3: Want to look at.

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Speaker 4: But I just to me, if we're going to decide

686
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Speaker 4: between who made the right decision and who didn't, hear,

687
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: the Ravens front offices earn the benefit of the doubt.

688
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Speaker 4: I know that spy Tech, there's a lot of people

689
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 4: that are really excited about about spy tech and everything

690
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: that's going on there. It's also the same organization that

691
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: hired Pete Carroll and traded for Gino Smith. They gave

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Speaker 4: up a draft capital and I think fifty eight million

693
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Speaker 4: dollars to do so, and then he was gone. The

694
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Speaker 4: Chip Kelly fiasco, all the things that we've seen a

695
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: lot of that's on spy Tech as well too.

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Speaker 3: So I look at it.

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Speaker 4: And I go, if Baltimore is willing to part and

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Speaker 4: add Max Crosby, clearly I'm going to side with that's

699
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Speaker 4: the organization that's got the reputation for making good moves,

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Speaker 4: and it's a remain to be seen with the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I bue on John Spytech, Who is

702
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Speaker 1: it on Tom Brady both?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

704
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: That's the thing. I don't know what Brady's involvement is there.

705
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 4: If you listen to Jeremy Fowler, you know, Brady just

706
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Speaker 4: didn't want to trade Max Crosby to the Patriots because

707
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Speaker 4: he didn't want to give Rabel Max Crosby. Like That's so,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how involved he is with the decision making.

709
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: I would assume he's got got a lot of saying it.

710
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 4: But spy Tech's a guy who's getting all the credit,

711
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Speaker 4: you know, based on yesterday's signings.

712
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: It's a lot of good signings, and they and and

713
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 5: it should improve their team, it really should. But this

714
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: Ravens right, the way these decisions have gone down with

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Speaker 5: the Ravens, I'm just very skeptical, skeptical of what where

716
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 5: they're where they're at. How do you fill that void?

717
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 5: And and I'm certain they probably have a plan, and

718
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Speaker 5: that's why they approached it the way that they did

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Speaker 5: instead of just tagging him. But because at the end

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Speaker 5: of the day, I mean, if they tag him, the

721
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 5: idea of of the the Raiders over spending for him,

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Speaker 5: do you guys think that they would have took the

723
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Speaker 5: tag off of them? Do you think that they would

724
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Speaker 5: have matched the tag?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was the exclusive tag that they couldn't.

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Speaker 5: They couldn't. Yeah, so if you put so so, they

727
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Speaker 5: just did they not want to pay them? Could they

728
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Speaker 5: not pay him? How do you undervalue your center if

729
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: he's a one to one center, if your if your

730
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: offensive line is now not shored up, but you and

731
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Speaker 5: for what it's worth. I mean, Max Crosby is a

732
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 5: one of one talent, but one pass rusher does not

733
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: heal an entire it doesn't cure an entire defense. And

734
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: a center can be a definite more of a catalyst.

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Speaker 5: An elite center can shore up an offensive line more

736
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Speaker 5: than an edge can shore up a defensive line. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I would say you have to have a

738
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Speaker 5: tackle on the defensive side or a nose, a zero

739
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Speaker 5: technique that can actually give you a point that is

740
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 5: more important than anybody else on that defensive front unless

741
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Speaker 5: you have a point guy that can set that point

742
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Speaker 5: and give the other guys the opportunity to fit into

743
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Speaker 5: the your gaps. I don't know how effective an edge

744
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 5: is well, so I just feel like.

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Speaker 1: I would say, schematically, going back to the initial discussion,

746
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: I would be the exact opposite for me. You know,

747
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: edges will change so much of what you do. The

748
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: things you hate, chips, nudges, you know, all those things

749
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: are put into the playbook, All those things change them.

750
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Speaker 1: The passing concepts you're going to use because you need

751
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to give that tackle help. You know how much three

752
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: step game you're doing. How are you even marrying up

753
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: your move? The pocket and screens and play action everything

754
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: else will be very like, very cognizant of are.

755
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 6: We faking to that guy? Are we faking away from it?

756
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: If we're faking away from him, does the backside of

757
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: help to give extra time on a long developing play.

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Speaker 1: There's just so many things that schematically change with you know,

759
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: a very you know, top level edge rusher.

760
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 6: You know, again looking.

761
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: Back at the weakness is of an offensive line. If

762
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: a team wants to run a bear front the entire game, okay.

763
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 6: So be it. There's teams who will do that from

764
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 6: time to time.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Buddy Grind the eighty five Bears and you know

766
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: everything they used to run. But that kind of had

767
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: its time and its phase. But that's a way of

768
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: getting one on one matchups, you know, that way you

769
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: can exploit some of those weaknesses or in particular center.

770
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Speaker 1: But the reality is that, you know, had its time,

771
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: and now it's not there anymore.

772
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Speaker 6: Because everyone's got an answer to it. You know, you're

773
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 6: going to try to run some sort of outside zone play.

774
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Some teams like running gap scheme against it that I

775
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: can kind of gash it. And then in the passing game,

776
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do when you're running

777
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: that sort of front, So there's only so many coverages

778
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: you can play in behind. So I tend to look

779
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: at the exact opposite way I was going to ask

780
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: you about this, Like the Ravens draft at fourteen? Could

781
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: and how I want to try to pronounce his name, Ioni,

782
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: the interior offensive lineman at Penn State.

783
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Speaker 6: Could he play center?

784
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Because here's the other thing is too people tend to

785
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: think that the centers always make all the calls. Sometimes

786
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: it's the guard. And we've seen oftentimes too in silent accounts.

787
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Who's the guy actually signaling to snap the football? You

788
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: know that the center's gonna bob his head on all that,

789
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: but it's actually the guard that triggers it. So if

790
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: you have experienced guards around that center, even if it's

791
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: a young center, you know he's he's still able to,

792
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, operate and do some of the things he does.

793
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Speaker 6: And again we talked about in Baltimore, you've got Lamar.

794
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 6: Lamar's going to make all the calls. You know, he's

795
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 6: gonna walk up the line say what he's gonna say,

796
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 6: and everyone's gonna fall suit. But could that guy play center?

797
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: You know it was good enough, you think interiorly because

798
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: he's if he's If he's there at fourteen, I know

799
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: he's one of the top prospects. You know, could he

800
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: be a guy that they take at fourteen that's kind

801
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: of that no man's land of like where you end

802
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: up taking a guy, you're probably not getting a top

803
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: edge guy or top you.

804
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 6: Know, cornerback would have you.

805
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Speaker 1: So I think the Ravens are thinking with where we're

806
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: seeing the draft, take Max Crosby.

807
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 6: He'll make a difference on the defense.

808
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: We can go fill in that void with drafting a

809
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: great player at Penn State to go play center.

810
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 5: Vega can play. I don't know if he's a center.

811
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Speaker 5: I have no eye idea, but I still think that

812
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 5: you gotta double. If you can single block of a

813
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: legit anchor tackle single block, then your defense is in trouble.

814
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: You've always got that guard, always has to be checking

815
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 5: for that that tackle, that one tackle that can anchor it,

816
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: whether they're the strong side or you put them on

817
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: the weak side, like for instance, Chris Jones is a

818
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: great example. You're not going if you try to block

819
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 5: them with one guy, he's going to get through there

820
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 5: and he's going to impact your game, whether it's a

821
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: run or a pass. You generally have to double. So

822
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 5: when you're talking about getting those one on one matchups

823
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 5: on the outside, those one on one matchups come because

824
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: you have to use two guys to block that that

825
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: three technique on the ends, that's not necessarily true.

826
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Like a lot of what teams are doing now even

827
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: they put three to one side and then one all

828
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: way the isolated with the other, that stresses the protection

829
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: because it forces that like let's say, for example, there's

830
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: one guy of the left hole and then all three

831
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: are to the guard and the will centered guard tackle

832
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Speaker 1: on the right side.

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Speaker 6: What they end up doing because they're going to do a.

834
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Three man game on that side, they're basically saying to

835
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: the protection, you've got to pull that left guard over

836
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: like he's got to slide to the right, and you

837
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: have to declare it because you don't want one on

838
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: ones all on that side. And so usually typically unless

839
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: that you know nless, they're going to divide the line

840
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: like that, which obviously leads you susceptible for any sort

841
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: of backer. If they're going to either blitz or if

842
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to you know, key off of the back,

843
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have wide open rushing lands. So

844
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: typically like that's a way of kind of defining and

845
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: dividing the protection up. And that's not even playing the

846
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: bear front. You know that's not even putting five guys

847
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: across the line. So again, I think we cant have

848
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: philosophical debates about scheme over one. I just look at

849
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: it and say, it's pretty simple as this. You pay your

850
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: edge rushers, you pay your tackles. There's not many teams

851
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: paying sent and the Raiders decided to do so, and

852
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: we'll sale works out.

853
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 5: But when you get a good center, you got to

854
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: pay that bad booger.

855
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Speaker 6: I trust. I played with Alex Mac.

856
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: Alex Mac was finadal, Hank Freeley played a long time.

857
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm singing Joe Thomas dows Fray first foul.

858
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Speaker 6: Hall of Famer, Yeah he got the bag.

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Speaker 4: man himself. He's the one and only Pete Prisco, senior

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Speaker 4: Good Morning, what's up, guys, How are you hey? Pete

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Speaker 4: Good Really happy for all these players that have had

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Speaker 4: their lives changed financially, A lot of great stories out there,

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Speaker 4: a real opportunity to set themselves and their family out

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Speaker 4: for generations to come.

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Speaker 3: And I know you're thrilled with all the moves that

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Speaker 3: have been made.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm happy that the guys get paid, because that's

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Speaker 7: the number one priority include playing professional football is to

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Speaker 7: make sure you get paid, and so I'm happy for that.

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Speaker 7: But the reality is is that most of these moves

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Speaker 7: are way way way overpaid. Every in fact, almost every

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Speaker 7: one of them. I just don't understand. I mean, I

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Speaker 7: know they have money to spend, it just means you

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Speaker 7: go around and blow it. I mean it's just crazy

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Speaker 7: some of the money being thrown around. And I know

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Speaker 7: there's a lot out there. I know everybody's that there. Well,

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Speaker 7: the owners are making money and everything, but that doesn't

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Speaker 7: mean you have to be reckless with what you do

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Speaker 7: spending the money.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Pete, we live in America. Is that what

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Speaker 6: we do. We get a bunch of money for, like,

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Speaker 6: let's go spend this somewhere.

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Speaker 1: You know, why are you surprised that NFL franchise is

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Speaker 1: doing it any different?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? But you know what, Brady never I get it,

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Speaker 7: and free agency is never what you think it's going

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Speaker 7: to take. It really isn't. And people will look back

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Speaker 7: and say, well, look at Sam Donald last year. I know,

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Speaker 7: I get it, and look what the Patriots did last year.

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Speaker 7: But the reality is, if you go look at the

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Speaker 7: top ten average contracts over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 7: three or four years, even go back whenever you want to,

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Speaker 7: they just don't seem to work out. There's maybe a

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Speaker 7: couple of them that do, and many of them don't,

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Speaker 7: and so I just don't think it's the end all

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Speaker 7: be all that everybody makes it out to be. If

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Speaker 7: you draft and develop, you'll be fine and you don't

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Speaker 7: need to continually go out and spend this kind of money.

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Speaker 7: Now for a team like the Raiders who have not

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Speaker 7: drafted and develop very well, they have to do it.

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Speaker 7: So I understand why they've thrown around the money that

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Speaker 7: they did. But again, it's not the end all be

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Speaker 7: all that people make it out to be.

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Speaker 5: Pete. I've referenced you quite a bit as well in

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Speaker 5: terms of this this free agent class and just trying

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Speaker 5: to improve your team. And there's been a lot of trades,

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Speaker 5: I mean, and so we hit the legal tampering, we

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Speaker 5: hit that period, and there's all these trades that take place.

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Speaker 5: Does that mean that there was an illegal tampering taking

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Speaker 5: place or were they able to really get these deals

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Speaker 5: done in the window of when the legal tampering period

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Speaker 5: opened up? And how do you feel about the fact

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Speaker 5: that it hasn't been the free agents that have been

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Speaker 5: kind of the storylines right now, it's the trades.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's start with the legal tampering. Back in the day,

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Speaker 7: it used to be teams would send people to the

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Speaker 7: proball and start their tampering. You know, they go to Hawaii,

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Speaker 7: they fly to Hawaii. You could have them cornered and

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Speaker 7: you can get some you know, negotiating done. Well, then

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Speaker 7: it kind of moved, and so the legal tampering, illegal

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Speaker 7: tampering starts. Well before the legal tampering starts, you know that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you go back to the combine, there were

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Speaker 7: deals getting done all over the place and parameters being

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Speaker 7: set all over the place. So the whole notion that, oh,

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Speaker 7: they opened up the legal tampering free agency started yesterday

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Speaker 7: at twelve o'clock. I mean, that's basically what happens in

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Speaker 7: legal tampering. Give me a break. These deals are all

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Speaker 7: free to rarely and I think it's happened a couple

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Speaker 7: of times where a guy pulls out of the deal.

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Speaker 7: But these deals all get done. The negotiations have been

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Speaker 7: going on for the last couple of weeks. So let's

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Speaker 7: put that hoax to the side now as far as

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Speaker 7: as far as trades. You know, look, teams realize now

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Speaker 7: you've got to win sooner rather than later, particularly general

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Speaker 7: managers and coaches, and so you get to the situation

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Speaker 7: where you look at your cap and you say, I

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Speaker 7: can go. Let's take the Rams. The Rams are in

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Speaker 7: a situation right now with Matt Stafford where they realize

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Speaker 7: that that thing is closing. How much longer is he

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Speaker 7: going to play? But as long as he's playing, you

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Speaker 7: have an opportunity to go win a Super Bowl. Well,

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Speaker 7: what was their biggest flaw? The biggest flaw last year,

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Speaker 7: particularly down the stretch was their secondary wasn't very good,

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Speaker 7: particularly the corners, And so what do they do. They

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Speaker 7: go out and they trade for McDuffie and give away

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Speaker 7: draft picks. But that's not what they do. They don't

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Speaker 7: use the draft picks. They traded away McDuffie and traded

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Speaker 7: away the picks will give McDuffie. Then you signed Jalen Watson.

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Speaker 7: All of a sudden, now you look at the secondary

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Speaker 7: and you go, well, yeah, they're good at the corners,

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Speaker 7: they can rush to pass, or they're going to be

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Speaker 7: much better on defense. Time to go on in. And

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Speaker 7: remember they did this similar type thing when they went

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Speaker 7: and got Jalen Ramsey and they ended up winning the

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Speaker 7: Super Bowl. So I think that has something to do

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Speaker 7: with the time frame a to go for it. But

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Speaker 7: b the time frame. Also, if you're not a team

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Speaker 7: that's having success, to try and do something about it

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Speaker 7: because you know that you're not going to be around

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Speaker 7: very long.

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Speaker 4: Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports

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Speaker 4: HQ analyst, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get

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Speaker 4: him on ax at Prisco CBS. All right, So, best

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Speaker 4: move and worst move yesterday for you was what?

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Speaker 7: Okay, I loved the Linderbaum move by the Raiders. Now,

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Speaker 7: having said that, I think twenty seven million dollars a

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Speaker 7: year is outrageous for a center, but you get a

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Speaker 7: young quarter you're going to get Fernando Mendoz. That one

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Speaker 7: of the best things you can ever do for a

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Speaker 7: young quarterback, Brady, You'll tell you that is to have

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Speaker 7: a guy in front of him and knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's why that move is really good

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Speaker 7: for the Raiders. So I love that he's a really

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Speaker 7: good player. Is he a great, great, great player? No,

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Speaker 7: but he's a really good player who fills a major

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Speaker 7: need on an offensive line that was a disaster last year.

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Speaker 7: And remember Yendi was hitting the backfield more than any

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Speaker 7: other player in the league, and so I think if

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Speaker 7: you can solidify that center position, I think that's important.

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Speaker 7: So I love that move. Did they overpay for him, absolutely,

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Speaker 7: but it makes sense to go get in. I don't

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Speaker 7: love the Malik Willis move. And look, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 7: I'll be honest with you. I think thirty five passes

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Speaker 7: and now all of a sudden, you're getting that kind

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Speaker 7: of money. I don't understand that. And this is a

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Speaker 7: question I asked on our set yesterday. I'm asking you,

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Speaker 7: guys the same question. Is Malik Willis a better quarterback

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Speaker 7: than to it? Talking about lowand now pick the money

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Speaker 7: out of the equation, But is he a better quarterback

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Speaker 7: than him?

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Speaker 5: You asked that question earlier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we I asked that to start the show because

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Speaker 1: I think that's the question that has to be asked,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's funny. I mean, look, he's got more

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Speaker 1: than thirty five pass attempts at his career.

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Speaker 6: Pete, Okay, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, let's wait at thirty five last year. Brady.

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Speaker 1: I know, Pete, I know, I know, and I understand

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Speaker 1: the point you're making. But here's what I presented to

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Speaker 1: the guys, and so I'm gonna present you with this.

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Speaker 1: You tell me what you think Athley's watched him now

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Speaker 1: for what a year? However, he was in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: for every day. You know, john Erick Solivan knows who

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Speaker 1: he is, you know from everything is in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. So I think they've got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: field in what he is. I I think this move

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Speaker 1: is this they want to create the culture at the

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Speaker 1: quarterback spot in Miami like they have in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: I think they're drafting a guy in the first round

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Speaker 1: next year. Regardless it's a star study class. You look

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Speaker 1: at the contract level league willis played this year, Maybe

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Speaker 1: he becomes something where you say, all right, he is

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Speaker 1: something and you use him the trade later on. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: even if he plays great, you still allow that rookie

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Speaker 1: you draft in the first round years to develop. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they're trying to bet on. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to stack him with the first round draft pick

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Speaker 1: in twenty.

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Speaker 6: Twenty seven because it's such a loaded class.

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Speaker 1: Even if you have a great season, you might be

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Speaker 1: able to get get a guy as a franchise guy

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the teams because there's not that big of

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Speaker 1: a need for quarterbacks. But there'll be enough to be

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Speaker 1: able to handle five or six going in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I think they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get a guy who has shown some upside.

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Speaker 6: He knows the.

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Speaker 1: Culture and environment they're trying to create, and it sets

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Speaker 1: themselves up for it to have a guy that, if

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Speaker 1: he plays well this year, can play next year and

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Speaker 1: allow that rookie to sit and watch and learn, and

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Speaker 1: then maybe you find yourself in a Rogers Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: where you know, Rogers plays so well at the end

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Speaker 1: there that they had to sign a little extension off

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Speaker 1: of Love's initial rookie contract and then after the one year.

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Speaker 6: Starting, you know, he kind of got paid. But how

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Speaker 6: does that hit you if I say that?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean I get it, I don't agree with it.

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Speaker 7: If I understand what you're saying, what if he plays great?

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Speaker 6: So what would you rather them done?

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Speaker 7: Uh? Tank?

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Speaker 6: Does it sound like though, that's going to work out?

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Speaker 1: If Stephen roscoes this is what I signed up for,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to fire after one year?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, we really think they're gonna get fire

1085
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 7: you after one year, Brady?

1086
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: Other coaches have I don't know, like that's the thing

1087
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: is if you would ask me ten years ago and

1088
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: have said, yeah, there's no chance, you know whatever, it

1089
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how your first year goes.

1090
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty six, I think that's changed a lot

1091
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 6: where I think there's sad mess to whether or not

1092
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 6: you get canned.

1093
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 7: Okay, now let me play the other side of it.

1094
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 7: Let's just say Malik Willis's solid and they win eight

1095
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 7: games and they're drafting twenty fourth. Now they take themselves

1096
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 7: out of the getting some of the elite quarterbacks.

1097
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just a betting man. But if you're eight

1098
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: and nine, I don't think you're drafting twenty fourth.

1099
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 6: Okay, I think you're around.

1100
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: You're a losing team, you'd probably be drafting like somewhere sixteen,

1101
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, or you're.

1102
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 7: You're not getting Dante Moore, you're not getting Arch Manning,

1103
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 7: You're not getting the guys at the top of the draft.

1104
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Pete, I don't think you understand how many guys are

1105
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: going to be viewed this first round picks next year.

1106
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: But you could say you're not getting the top guys.

1107
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: There's could be six guys who reviews that. Leonora Sellers

1108
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: is going to be a part of that. Jade Milev

1109
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: is going to be a part of that. You know,

1110
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: we can go through.

1111
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 7: I'm okay, okay, but let's be real. Some of those

1112
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 7: guys are developmental guys. I mean, let's be there are

1113
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 7: good Look, you're the Notre Dame quarterback, the arch Manning,

1114
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 7: Dante More. Those are going to be the guys at

1115
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 7: the top of the draft.

1116
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now. First off, Leonora Sellers, you

1117
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 6: can call him developmental. I don't necessarily think he is.

1118
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: That's why he's coming back to school for another year

1119
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: to continue to develop. I think Jayden Maiava is a

1120
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: guy that people are sleeping on. I think he's gonna

1121
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: be very capable. There's a number of guys like I wouldn't.

1122
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 6: I wouldn't.

1123
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that at all. I don't agree with

1124
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: that at all. But I'll say this too, Pete, can

1125
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: you not straight up?

1126
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 7: Yeah? But let's not forget that the Jets are gonna

1127
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 7: be in the market for a quarterback next year and

1128
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 7: they got three three first rounders. I mean, so you're

1129
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 7: gonna see you're gonna see it that the Steelers will

1130
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 7: be in the market for a quarterback. There's gonna be

1131
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 7: key in the market. The Browns probably will be in

1132
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 7: the market for a quarterback. And they keep going, yeah,

1133
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 7: how many teams I mean, but Rady, they said, Pete,

1134
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 7: there's gonna be.

1135
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Six guys taking in the first round next year, there's

1136
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: gonna be six quarterbacks taking.

1137
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 7: It was gonna be a great quarterback draft this year too.

1138
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: And no, it's Pete, it's not the same. It's not

1139
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: it's not. You and I have had this conversation. I

1140
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: never said, and no one ever said, Oh, this is

1141
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna be the of those twenty twenty seven will be

1142
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: one of those classes.

1143
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I agree.

1144
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 7: On the surface, right now, twenty twenty seven, it looks

1145
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 7: like a really good quarterback.

1146
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: It's not on the service, bro. Do watch the tap

1147
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: of these young cats.

1148
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 7: But why by the way, by the way, twin wers

1149
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 7: threw more passes than Malik Willis did last year. In

1150
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 7: case anybody's wondering, I would I would. I would have

1151
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 7: me personally if I'm the Dolphins, I played with twin

1152
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 7: viewers and going to the draft next year and to

1153
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 7: go get myself one of the elite guys, That's what

1154
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 7: I would do. I mean here's the other thing. Here's

1155
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 7: another one. I go out there yesterday. Daniel Jones wants

1156
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 7: fifty million dollars a year. That the transition tag is

1157
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 7: thirty seven, so you got to start there, So start

1158
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 7: there and go up. So he's probably gonna get it

1159
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 7: once a deal forty ish, forty two, forty three. You

1160
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 7: know what I would do. I take the tag off

1161
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 7: of him and say see you and go get Kyler

1162
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 7: Murray for one point three million. That's what I would do.

1163
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 7: I'm not paying. Is there is there a forty million

1164
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 7: dollar difference between Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones? No, right

1165
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 7: of course not.

1166
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 6: Now, well why why is that?

1167
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 7: Is there?

1168
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 6: Is there a question about Daniel Jones not being what

1169
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 6: maybe some thought or on anything?

1170
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 7: Well, because you know you are what you are brated?

1171
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 7: So he played well last year, but he got hurt.

1172
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 7: He's coming open Achilles and he wants forty million, forty

1173
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 7: something million dollars a year. I can get Kyler Murray

1174
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 7: for one point three million. Give me a break. I'm

1175
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 7: not paying Daniel Jones forty something million dollars. If I

1176
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 7: can get Kyler Murray from one point three that makes

1177
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: no Now say we're equal, and they you know, the

1178
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 7: contracts equal. If you're going to get Kyler Murray for

1179
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 7: forty million a year, okay, I get it, or twenty

1180
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 7: five million for a year, maybe I get it. But

1181
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 7: one point three million giving me Kyler Murray, I play

1182
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 7: with him.

1183
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 6: Okay, real quick? Can I can I give you a

1184
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 6: list right now?

1185
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: Because I want to go back and just hammer home

1186
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: this point of how many guys that I think are

1187
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: going drafted in the first round next year. Here's my

1188
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: list of quarterbacks that have potential to Dante Moore arch

1189
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Vana we've talked about, right, your guys some love it.

1190
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 7: Your guys say, I don't know about Sam Levin.

1191
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's fine, But but he'll be in contention

1192
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: with that Josh three, with the kid who's going to Indiana.

1193
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: Mendoza was an afterthought, mid round, late pick.

1194
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 6: Now he becomes the first two overall pick.

1195
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: After we're married, You who wait and hold on and

1196
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Hoover might have more upside. All right, bren soars me.

1197
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: The kid of Cincinnati transferred to Texas Tech.

1198
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 6: He'll have a shot. Sam will be draft eligible.

1199
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how he'll be viewed, but he's probably

1200
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: in that conversation. Leonora Sellers, who we've talked about I

1201
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: mentioned Jade Mayava, Nico Iamaliava, who I didn't even mention

1202
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: that will definitely be up there, will throw out the

1203
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: combine and everyone's gonna be wowed by.

1204
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 6: The arm strength, size, et cetera.

1205
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: DJ Lagway's another guy where if he goes to Baylor

1206
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: and does what I think he's capable of, he'll be

1207
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: in that conversation. And I didn't even mention CJ.

1208
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 6: Carr.

1209
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, Pete, that class is

1210
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: one that everyone's loading up for.

1211
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 7: Five of them will be drafted in the first round,

1212
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 7: five and and and when you six and three of

1213
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 7: them will I'll bet you.

1214
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 6: I'll bet you at Chicken Palm dinner.

1215
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 7: At six okay, Well, three or four of them are.

1216
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: Going to be okay, and they'll be a Take the bet, Pete,

1217
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: I'll take the beta Beta dinner on me next time

1218
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 1: in Fort Lauderdale, at my at my my choosing. All right,

1219
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: if six you get drafted in twenty twenty seven, the

1220
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: first round.

1221
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 7: By the way, if PJ. Langway goes to the first round,

1222
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 7: there's something wrong with people.

1223
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 6: See no, I think he's got a much better year

1224
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 6: this year.

1225
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: He's got a lot better like upside and ability than

1226
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: people give him credit.

1227
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 7: You got it, Okay, Brady, I'm gonna give you this.

1228
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 6: There's a lot of no because here, pete, pete. Stop.

1229
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, when I'm breaking down film and

1230
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: watching him, you have to understand how atrocious the Florida

1231
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: offensive line was, and you have to understand like he

1232
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: made some throws and make some plays where you go wow,

1233
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: like not many guys can make that.

1234
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 6: So if you put it in.

1235
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 7: So many other ones where you go, oh my god,

1236
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 7: what did he get to do?

1237
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: And that's a young, inexperienced quarterback. But if you continue

1238
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: to keep honean develop him, there's a chance that he

1239
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: develops in something a.

1240
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 6: Lot more than what you do.

1241
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 7: Better watch out, you better watch out. I'm gonna sound

1242
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 7: the side and the quarterback. Excuse makers, Oh no, just

1243
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 7: watch You're gonna hold me a chicken palm dinner.

1244
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: By the way, don't cheap out on me. Okay, I

1245
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: get my sides and get appetizers to you know.

1246
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 7: What you get? You get that, you get that giant

1247
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 7: chicken parm that's like this.

1248
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, I do, and I'm making for it.

1249
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 7: By the way, Brady, I'll be glad to pay that

1250
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 7: dead bet off just to go have that that chicken

1251
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 7: parm with it, because it's fantastic.

1252
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 6: It is good. My guy at Aquaforan, he's the best.

1253
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 6: He's not.

1254
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 7: No, but yeah, look I get it, Brady, But I

1255
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 7: would tank. And just like the Jet, what did the

1256
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 7: Jets do it? The Jets went out and spent all

1257
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 7: kinds of money on older, decentive guys. They they wanted

1258
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 7: to get older. I get I understood that. That was

1259
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 7: the whole you know, they were one of the youngest

1260
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 7: teams in the league last year. They felt to the

1261
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 7: need to get older. I get it, bring some experienced

1262
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 7: guys in. But they went and spend a boatload of

1263
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 7: money on old guys on the other side of the ball.

1264
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 7: And now what are they doing? The quarterback? Do you

1265
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 7: go get Kyler Murray? And if you get Kyler Murray,

1266
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 7: are you winning a championship? No? So what are you doing?

1267
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 7: You get Kyler Murray and all of a sudden you

1268
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 7: look at it and you go, wow, we won eight

1269
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 7: nine games. We're gonna take ourselves out of the quarterback

1270
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 7: conversation again for next year.

1271
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: Where do you think he's Where do you think he is?

1272
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 7: There? Are There aren't many seats left, are there? I

1273
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 7: mean Minnesota is left, the Jets are left. Where else? Well,

1274
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 7: he's coming back. You know the moves they made yesterday

1275
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 7: just reek of Rogers coming back him, head coach, go

1276
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 7: get Pittman, get him a receiver that he can he

1277
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 7: can rely on instead of yell at it after every

1278
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 7: play like you did last year. I think he's coming back.

1279
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 7: So I think when you look at it, I think

1280
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 7: the only place is for Kyler right now, unless in

1281
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 7: less Indianapolis does the wise thing is going to be

1282
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 7: Minnesota and and and the Jets and me personally Minnesota.

1283
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 7: I don't know if he fits with what they do.

1284
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he might be better off going

1285
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 7: to the Jets, and I think the Colts. I think

1286
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 7: the Colt should take the tag off of Jones and

1287
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 7: go get him. That's what I would do, all right.

1288
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. You I know of

1289
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 4: not big on drafting running backs high. What was your

1290
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 4: thought on paying running backs high and Kenneth Walker getting

1291
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 4: that deal from the Chiefs.

1292
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 7: Didn't like it? He didn't like it. By the way,

1293
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 7: I owe his agent David Canner in apology because on

1294
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 7: the field at the Super Bowl, after he was basking

1295
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 7: in his client whin the MVP, I told him I

1296
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 7: didn't think he should get he would get more than

1297
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 7: James Cook, and he did and neither got fourteen million

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Speaker 7: dollars average. I mean that puts him up there with

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Speaker 7: Jonathan Taylor. Kenneth Walker is not Jonathan Taylor. Kenneth Walker's

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Speaker 7: not James Cook. Kenneth Walker had a good run. Let's

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Speaker 7: not forget he was splitting carries at one point with

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Speaker 7: sharbon Ay. If it wasn't for that little three game

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Speaker 7: playoff run. Does he get that contract? I mean that's

1304
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Speaker 7: a legitimate question. So do I like it? No, particularly

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Speaker 7: when I look over at the Chiefs and I say,

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Speaker 7: who rushed? Is the passer? For the Chiefs. That's been

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Speaker 7: a problem for Chris Jones is getting older. You know,

1308
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 7: Carlaptus didn't quite live up to the contract last year,

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Speaker 7: and now you have cornerback holes and a safety hold. Well,

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Speaker 7: they went and got Gilman, so they kind of filled

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Speaker 7: that one by getting a cheaper version of Cook. But

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Speaker 7: they still need corners and so I think I would

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Speaker 7: have had I would have gone in a different direction

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Speaker 7: with my money. I don't think they needed the running back.

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Speaker 7: You draft those guys, they're on the shelf, You go

1316
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Speaker 7: draft one, you run them into the ground, and you

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01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 7: draft another one. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying, but it was

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Speaker 1: never really healthy for any season. I mean, his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: you rush for one thousand, but he hasn't been a

1321
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Speaker 1: hunder sent helped until this past season, even splitting cares

1322
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Speaker 1: of you want over a.

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Speaker 6: Thousand, and I think you go back and look what

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Speaker 6: he did at Michigan State and they haven't been anything

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Speaker 6: since then.

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Speaker 7: What round was he What round did he come in?

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Speaker 7: Did he draft?

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Speaker 6: Well, I get that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I think he's maybe a

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Speaker 1: little better player than you give him credit.

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Speaker 7: He was a second round No, No, I think he's a

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Speaker 7: pretty I think he's a pretty good runner, but I

1333
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 7: think he's he's not an elite runner. I think he

1334
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Speaker 7: bounces a lot of stuff too much.

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Speaker 1: And people, is there's something too like for all the

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Speaker 1: position needs you just talked about, isn't there something to

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01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: the philosophy of like you'd rather pay your veteran like

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Speaker 1: running backs too, are proven or linebackers and safeties, and

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Speaker 1: then draft the top value guys at the edge or

1340
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Speaker 1: at the cornerback spot, so that way you don't have

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Speaker 1: to pay them that big contract until they actually the

1342
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Speaker 1: rookie deal comes up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, isn't that more of what teams are doing.

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Speaker 7: I'm not personally, I'm never paying a running back.

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Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I'm not the worst dude.

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Speaker 7: Now. I'll give you a couple of examples of where

1347
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 7: I might the airbacks, you know, the McCaffrey and Eric

1348
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 7: gart catch the ball out of the backfield, those guys,

1349
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Speaker 7: But the way the game is played, I'm not paying backs.

1350
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 7: And by the way, everybody splits carries now anyway, So

1351
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 7: is there is there a back you should give that

1352
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 7: kind of money? I mean that that that to me,

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't do that. I huh. De Derrick Henry, He's

1354
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 7: played in so many Super Bowls in his career too,

1355
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Speaker 7: I can't can't.

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Speaker 5: See, well, well, you just talk bad about Kenneth Walker though,

1357
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 5: so you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth.

1358
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 5: That's the Super Bowl MVP now, IVP being the most

1359
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 5: valuable player, So he was the most valuable player on

1360
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 5: the field outside of anybody else. I'm just saying, you

1361
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 5: can't go both ways.

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Speaker 7: You know, the most valuable player in that game, the

1363
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 7: Seattle defensive line was the most valuable player in that game.

1364
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Speaker 5: But they didn't get the award Kenneth Walker did.

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Speaker 7: There's only so many big people who can play the

1366
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 7: game in the planet. And so if you get those

1367
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 7: guys on the offensive line, and you get those guys

1368
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 7: on the defensive line and get the ability to knock

1369
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 7: the quarterback down and stop the run, you're going to win. Period.

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Speaker 7: I don't care who your back is. That's the most

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Speaker 7: important thing. So that's where I would focus my money.

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Speaker 7: I would not pay a running back. I think they

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Speaker 7: look I take the kids from Nebraska in the third round,

1374
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Speaker 7: and you watch what he does when he gets to

1375
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 7: the NFL, and so I think you can find running backs.

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Speaker 7: You know, I've never backed away from that. That's been

1377
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 7: what Frady knows. That's been one of my major beliefs

1378
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 7: for a long long time, and I will never waiver

1379
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Speaker 7: from it. And in three years when Kenneth two or

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Speaker 7: three years when Kenneth Walker's contract is obsolete, then you

1381
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 7: come talk to me.

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Speaker 5: Barkley took it, took the Eagles, they rose to the

1383
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 5: super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: And then what happened last year? He went off a cliff,

1385
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 7: didn't he?

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Speaker 5: They changed ohs, maybe philosophy. It was the same that

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Speaker 5: one year.

1388
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Speaker 7: Remember that one year where they paid all the running backs.

1389
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 7: They paid David Johnson, they paid uh the kid, the

1390
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 7: Chargers runner, they paid all those guys, and the next

1391
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Speaker 7: year they all every single one of them was right

1392
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 7: off a cliff.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, draft, you're talking about Dobbins.

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Speaker 7: No, no, before that.

1395
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 4: Michael Turner, Michael Melvin, Oh yeah, yeah.

1396
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Speaker 5: Yeah melvinor never really got going in the league though,

1397
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 5: yes he did.

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Speaker 7: You draft them, you draft him, you run him into

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Speaker 7: the ground, and then you draft another one and let

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Speaker 7: somebody else go pay him. That's exactly what I was.

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 3: That's the way, Pete, before we let you go.

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Speaker 4: Your highest rated available free agent on your top one

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 4: hundred is Trey Hendrickson.

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01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: Best guess where does he sign?

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Speaker 7: The price is key right now. I think I think

1406
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 7: he's asking for too much, and I think the market

1407
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 7: is kind of drying up because of his price, and

1408
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 7: so he's going to have to lower his price down

1409
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 7: a little bit. And there's teams out there still need

1410
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 7: pass rushers. The Bears need one, But what's the price.

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Speaker 6: I'm bad for that dude. I feel like he's always

1412
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 6: asked for too.

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Speaker 1: He's never getting the price he wants since he.

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Speaker 7: Well then well here's the other part of it too, Brady.

1415
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 7: He's pigeonholed as a guy who just rushes the passer

1416
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 7: does play the run very well, and a lot of

1417
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 7: pass rushers get into that gory over the years.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's racial, Pete. I'm telling you, they're discriminating

1419
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 5: against Hendrickson.

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Speaker 7: He gets seventeen and a half sacks two years in

1421
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 7: a row, and he gets I mean, it makes no sense.

1422
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 7: So what do you do? He lives in Jacksonville. By

1423
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 7: the way, if I were the Jaguars and that price

1424
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 7: came down, I would sign him. Put him on the

1425
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 7: defensive line, make Trayvon Walker rush from the inside. You

1426
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:25,879
Speaker 7: get Armstead, Walker, Kine, Allen and Hendrickson. Go go ahead, now.

1427
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Speaker 4: Go hey, yeah, Pete, always always appreciate it.

1428
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Speaker 3: Get him money.

1429
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Speaker 7: You're living.

1430
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Speaker 5: You are who you are, Pete, that's all job. You

1431
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 5: are who you are that's all.

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Speaker 7: You don't think he's any good. You don't think he's

1433
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 7: any good, LaVar.

1434
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 5: I think he's super good. I think he gets the

1435
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 5: short end of the stick all the time. Like there's

1436
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 5: like three or four elite pass rushers, and Hendrickson seems

1437
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 5: to be the one that there's always an excuse as

1438
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 5: to why he shouldn't get competent.

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Speaker 7: I agree.

1440
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 6: I agree.

1441
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 7: But by the way, he's thirty one. It's thirty one

1442
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 7: coming off core muscle surgery. That that matters too. So

1443
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 7: but I'm with you. I would find him in a minute.

1444
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 7: I think Campus should look at him. At the Chicago

1445
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 7: that should look at him. I think anybody that needs

1446
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 7: a pass rusher should go pay that guy because he

1447
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 7: can disrupt your offense in a minute. So yeah, I'm

1448
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 7: with you. I agree. I think he gets the short end.

1449
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 5: There you go. He doesn't look as cool as t. J.

1450
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 5: Watt in his uniform either, Like he looks normal, you

1451
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean. That's that's probably what it is.

1452
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 5: That's what it is.

1453
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 7: Q Well, you know, want to spend rather, they want

1454
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 7: to spend their money on running back rather than edge rushers.

1455
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 4: Get him on X at Prisco CBS. He is Pete Prisco,

1456
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 4: Senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst.

1457
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 4: Pete always a fun time.

1458
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: We'll do it next.

1459
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 7: Week, all right, guys, take care there.

1460
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 4: He is always upbeat, always positive things to say about

1461
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 4: everybody around.

1462
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 6: The league who's out there today.

1463
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 3: Hats every running back, got it prying. I'm not paying

1464
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 3: any running back run him into the ground.

1465
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 5: All right.

1466
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Speaker 3: It is two pros and a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 4: Here on Fox Sports Radio, lavarre Rington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox.

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Speaker 4: Coming up next year, we continue to look on all

1469
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 4: the money, all the wheeling and dealing in the NFL.

1470
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 4: Team's improving and some just kind of standing still in

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Speaker 4: the league. That's yours next here on FSR