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Speaker 1: in the meantime, I very much hope you enjoy this
Speaker 1: rewind classic of films to be buried with. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to films to be buried with. My name is
Speaker 1: Brett Gholstein. I joined today by an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a phenomenal stand up and an incredible all around human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's feel it like it is. Please, welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: the Fabulous Susie Raffo. It's nothing sadder than just claps
Speaker 1: by themselves, is there? If people at do you that's
Speaker 1: what they do when you're they're there in their cars
Speaker 1: and you're right. I think they're on the tube clapping
Speaker 1: and people are looking at them and they go, do
Speaker 1: you know anything about comedy? Anyway? It's an absolute pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you here. Thank you for coming to my house.
Speaker 1: My pleasure. It's nice. It's nice to have a noise around.
Speaker 1: I like that you've chosen the Muppets mug. Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: big fan, so good, big fan. How long have I
Speaker 1: known you, Suzie? I mean I know this because I
Speaker 1: share I texted you a picture from those like Facebook memories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh vampire picture but where none of us are tasted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like a one hundred and two years. Actual,
Speaker 1: Oh that's we became vampire with Witch. Yeah. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: Zachary Binks, right, okay, yeah, ten years, I think ten years.
Speaker 1: Do you like films, Suzie? Yes? Convenient, very convenient. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like films. I like going to the pictures. I
Speaker 1: don't do it as much as I like to. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't read it when you're on tour a bit, not loads,
Speaker 1: but maybe it should do more. I do love going
Speaker 1: to pit because I can't like going by myself. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call myself a film buff, okay, because
Speaker 1: I'm not good at like knowing groups of directors or
Speaker 1: who did war or whether that was the same writers
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I enjoy sort of films
Speaker 1: for what they are, like the solo thing. Do you
Speaker 1: watch films and you're a Telly or computer? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And box sets? Are you more a box set person now? No?
Speaker 1: I think it just sort of depends what moodiman. Last
Speaker 1: week I watch Philadelphia for the first time. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I hadn't seen it. Philadelphia. It was great.
Speaker 1: I think it's aged really well great and Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: is brilliant. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think that's
Speaker 1: also where Denzel went big in the mainstream, and he's
Speaker 1: my favorite film st Yeah, he's really great in it,
Speaker 1: and his character has a real journey as well. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really good movie. It's very sad. It's sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really cried at the end. I forgot to tell
Speaker 1: you something. I feel like I know where this is going.
Speaker 1: Should have told you at the beginning. It's bad. I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily. I don't even know how you're gonna take
Speaker 1: this because you seem you seemed like quite a zen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I still think it's gonna be a shock, But you died.
Speaker 1: You died. I'm sorry. This is a concern because this
Speaker 1: keeps happening when people come to this podcast, and I
Speaker 1: think people are going to start thinking it's for you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's her name in medicy rate. No, you're
Speaker 1: not finding the killers. You're killing people. That's what that
Speaker 1: was the twist, right where everywhere she went, people would
Speaker 1: die and then she'd find the killer. Wink wink. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's the thing. So I've died. Oh God, how
Speaker 1: did you die? I don't know, do you know? Did
Speaker 1: Jessica pleasure. It might be it's up to you. That's
Speaker 1: a great idea. I don't know. Someone really cut me
Speaker 1: up on my bike yesterday, really, so it could have
Speaker 1: been that. That's horrible. It's very horrible. A man in
Speaker 1: a van. Hate hate to be cliche, but it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't why there it's a black van and he
Speaker 1: called me some horrible names out of the window for
Speaker 1: something that I hadn't really done. I'm not really dealing
Speaker 1: with it, but it was quite scary. I was quite
Speaker 1: scared afterwards. I was shaken. So maybe it was that, Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's why it was. Well, I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: the one that makes most sense if I'm dead now
Speaker 1: at this moment. So the man in the black van,
Speaker 1: he called your names, ran you over. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was dead in a very sort
Speaker 1: of he was shaking at Patrick's fazy or sixth cents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know. So I've been going about my
Speaker 1: life thinking like my girlfriend's not talking to me, or
Speaker 1: like what's going on. I'm the first person he's let
Speaker 1: you in the eyes in the whole day. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: you can see, guys, because you've done this podcast so much.
Speaker 1: All right, did you worry about death now? I do? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 1: well now that I don't know whether I've been undead
Speaker 1: dead and I've been wandering around sort of thinking that
Speaker 1: I'm having my life in fact previous to this, death
Speaker 1: is an anxiety of yours. No, I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of anxieties, but I wouldn't say that death is one
Speaker 1: of them. Death's not making their cut. No, I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: when I'm dead, it's all done it. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's it? You think I'd like to think there is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lovely idea. I think maybe I
Speaker 1: think that there's maybe something happens to our energy. Who
Speaker 1: we are like that? I don't know. I guess some
Speaker 1: people would say soul, other people would say energy or
Speaker 1: something else. And I don't know if it necessarily goes away.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's anything physical that we
Speaker 1: can understand. But you think your consciousness is gone, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Have you ever read a
Speaker 1: ghostly experience? No? What is that? Oh? Like an experience
Speaker 1: of a ghost? Have read it? I have had an experience?
Speaker 1: Have you? Yeah? Can you tell us about it? And
Speaker 1: by us, I mean me and on Herring's podcast. But
Speaker 1: I suppose that's fine. You're an out crossover. You can
Speaker 1: do material advice. I mean, why did anyone tell me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's some stuff of yours I've seen
Speaker 1: you do a few times, just insane. You're just remembering it.
Speaker 1: What was a friend of ours, family friend? We were
Speaker 1: all in Devon. We were in like a hotel and
Speaker 1: the hotel had a pool. We're all in the pool
Speaker 1: us as a family. There was a family friends that
Speaker 1: we had who had like a cottage in Devon. They
Speaker 1: were staying in that cottage down the road. The mum
Speaker 1: of that family had recently died. She'd died very sadly
Speaker 1: of cancer. They the family, the dad, his daughter, and
Speaker 1: another girl are in that cottage. We're all we're sort
Speaker 1: of seeing them for dinner and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: that we're having separate time because we're in a hotel.
Speaker 1: One day suddenly they all come to the pool. We're
Speaker 1: in the pool at the hotel. They've moved out of
Speaker 1: the cottage and moved into the hotel. Why what's happened? Ghosts?
Speaker 1: We're terrified ghosts. Part of us is all like what
Speaker 1: but part of us is all Also because it's so
Speaker 1: recently mum died, part of us is thinking, you know, romantically,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, I kind of hope it's the mom,
Speaker 1: you know, that'd be nice. But also they're terrified. And
Speaker 1: then these are normally not the sort of people too ever, yeah,
Speaker 1: engage in this sort of stuff. So the story that
Speaker 1: they tell us the night before, the two girls gone
Speaker 1: to bed. They've been eating sweets. They've got like boiled
Speaker 1: sweets all over place. Turn out the light. A sweet
Speaker 1: hits one of them in the head. She goes, stop
Speaker 1: praying sweets at me. The other girl goes, I haven't
Speaker 1: done anything. Another one hits her, stop praying sweets. I
Speaker 1: haven't I'm not doing anything. They turn on the light,
Speaker 1: sweets flying around the room, terrified running too. The dad, dad, dad, dad,
Speaker 1: He goes, are you talking about this stupid? He goes
Speaker 1: into the room. He says, will you stop throwing sweets
Speaker 1: at my daughter? Sweet hits him, bath scream in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: Oh pree this to this. In the dark before the
Speaker 1: sweet start flying, one of the girls is freezing. Coaches
Speaker 1: is can we turn the eating on the other girls? Like,
Speaker 1: are you talking about boiling freezing cold, boiling sweets go
Speaker 1: around anyway, So they run out. So the next day, me,
Speaker 1: my dad, and my sister and another guy go to
Speaker 1: the cottage. They're all too terrified to go. We're like, well,
Speaker 1: we've got to look, haven't we. And we go in
Speaker 1: the coaches middle of the day, sunny, not sunny, but daylight,
Speaker 1: and I go upstairs and we'll oh, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like there's nothing going on. I go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: have a we forget to flash the toilet, remember that bit.
Speaker 1: My dad puts some coins on the bed where the
Speaker 1: girls leaping, puts like being a tempee, puts on the
Speaker 1: bed and then like steps back. Nothing happens. We stand
Speaker 1: there all at once, the toilet flushes and the coins
Speaker 1: go b being being in three different, three different directions,
Speaker 1: the coins fling across the room when we scream and
Speaker 1: run out, and that's it. So what happened to the fun?
Speaker 1: They end up getting back to the house They got
Speaker 1: an exorcist, got an exorcis. Turns out the story we
Speaker 1: were told according to whoever you know, person that went there,
Speaker 1: was that it wasn't the moment anything. There were ghosts
Speaker 1: that had lived in his house that did not like
Speaker 1: her friend. The daughter's friend felt like her energy was
Speaker 1: not nice, so they were trying to get her out
Speaker 1: of the house. So they had an exhorsis. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: all of this might be total manness and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: except for I cannot explain why those coins. You know,
Speaker 1: that's terrifying. I don't know how that happened. There is
Speaker 1: a logical explanation. I'd love to hear it, but I
Speaker 1: saw it happen, and I don't know why. That's scary.
Speaker 1: So thank you, good night. Yeah, well, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not good night. I'm not leaving. So that's I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'll keep that in, But that's that's something.
Speaker 1: It's a good story, though she's talk about on stage.
Speaker 1: Really I don't know something something in it, something like
Speaker 1: thrilling about hearing a story like that. Yeah, but have
Speaker 1: you ever had a ghostly experience? Not really, just like
Speaker 1: I had a dream where I thought when Nan was
Speaker 1: there and then and I couldn't get to her. In
Speaker 1: the dream, I couldn't get to he, couldn't get to her,
Speaker 1: couldn't get to her. She was in the distance. I
Speaker 1: was shouting, I was trying to get to her, try
Speaker 1: and get attention. I couldn't get to her, and then
Speaker 1: I sort of struggled myself away, and I felt like
Speaker 1: as I woke up, I heard my nan NaN's voice say,
Speaker 1: we need to go. He scared her in my room.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that gave me a shiver. Oh such
Speaker 1: a good story. Scary God, that's scary, we need to go.
Speaker 1: Who was he saying that too? She was with her
Speaker 1: sister my right out in my dream was to go together.
Speaker 1: That bakes my heart a bit, And I feel like
Speaker 1: she was in my room and I work up and
Speaker 1: I was like, my Auntie, I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: it's worth to tell us. In it, my mum's dad
Speaker 1: died very young, sadly, and her sister, my Auntie, had
Speaker 1: an experience of sort of praying, I just want to
Speaker 1: see him one more time. I just want to see Ama,
Speaker 1: just want to see him more time. And then he
Speaker 1: appeared at the end of her bed, and she was
Speaker 1: so scared that she ran like immediately ran away, like regretted, yeah, myself, don't,
Speaker 1: oh don't then this is too scary, And maybe he
Speaker 1: would have said we must go Scar. Maybe so I
Speaker 1: don't know about life after death. I like the idea
Speaker 1: of something, but I don't know this stuff that I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's all. I think it's far
Speaker 1: beyond what we know. Yes, I mean I'll be talking
Speaker 1: more about ghosts and a bit well good news, yeah,
Speaker 1: bad news depending if you wanted to sort of some
Speaker 1: piece and quiet. There is enough to life. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: she's there. She stops. She's like, just be careful because
Speaker 1: she's very jumpy. This one. Let everyone up there, great,
Speaker 1: tread lightly with spooks easy, Yeah, but everyone there wants
Speaker 1: to talk about film, my life through film. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: first question I ask you is what is the first
Speaker 1: film that you remember seeing? The Jungle Book? Delicious? Good one? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What were the circumstances in which is so? I would
Speaker 1: have been it on him on VHS? Yes, I have
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. I have a brother that's older than
Speaker 1: me for years. Are you tea carry on? Please? So
Speaker 1: remember watching it and really enjoying it and thinking it
Speaker 1: was brilliant. Do you watch it alone? No? I would
Speaker 1: have watched it with my family. I watched it a
Speaker 1: lot of my dad and I watched it. I remember
Speaker 1: watching with my dad when I was poorly. When I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'd like waked them up and be like,
Speaker 1: I've been suck. I was really sickly as a child.
Speaker 1: I always I was like always throwing up, and I
Speaker 1: was really like I was under weight for ages they
Speaker 1: were feeding me. It's important to point out, but I
Speaker 1: just I was really yeah, I was really like I
Speaker 1: I've always been a bit lanky. I was really skinny,
Speaker 1: and I was often often had an upset tummy, and
Speaker 1: so I was often thrown up. So I remember waking
Speaker 1: up my dad and him like being like, all right,
Speaker 1: come on, let's get book to like to sort of
Speaker 1: chill me out. I mean, here's a story that I've
Speaker 1: talked about in an Edinburgh show, but not this specific
Speaker 1: bit of it. But briefly, when I was a child,
Speaker 1: my dad was arrested in Italy for basically something that
Speaker 1: he someone put drugs in a lorry that he drove
Speaker 1: and he didn't know anything about it, and he was
Speaker 1: They locked him up for about four or five weeks
Speaker 1: I'm maybe longer, maybe a couple of months. Then eventually
Speaker 1: they realized that it wasn't his and they found the
Speaker 1: people that had done it. They were putting drugs in
Speaker 1: people's lorry because I was a long distance lorry driver
Speaker 1: and he would cross countries and so he was driving
Speaker 1: doing like a trip they had done before from England
Speaker 1: through France to Italy. Anyway, it kept happening, and they
Speaker 1: eventually realized that it wasn't really him, but he'd spent
Speaker 1: quite a lot of time in this Italian prison and
Speaker 1: they kept saying him, you're going to get ten years.
Speaker 1: You were going to get ten years, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything. I didn't know what was in
Speaker 1: my lorry. Like this was just like and I'm just
Speaker 1: delivering fruit. And so he didn't know anything that was
Speaker 1: going on, and like like I think for a while
Speaker 1: it was a bit like, oh God, it's going to go.
Speaker 1: So he was in prison in Italy, yes, and no
Speaker 1: one speak English. It was terrifying. Yeah, he knew nothing
Speaker 1: about sort of what. He knew that he was delivering stuff,
Speaker 1: but he hadn't checked the back of the which I
Speaker 1: guess he was meant to have done. So they were
Speaker 1: like but anyway, he then thought that he was going
Speaker 1: to be in prison for ten years in prison in Milan,
Speaker 1: and after six weeks the British embassy went there was
Speaker 1: nothing to link him to these people that had planted
Speaker 1: drugs in his lorry, and so he got released. And
Speaker 1: did you only know this in those days later just
Speaker 1: from a phone call. So my mum was like, Mom
Speaker 1: would have been like thirty five, two children under ten,
Speaker 1: husband gone, could be in prison for ten years, could
Speaker 1: be in prisoned ten years. Hadn't really had chance to
Speaker 1: speak to my dad to just really know the ins
Speaker 1: and outs that had thought like what have you done?
Speaker 1: Like it was nightmare, nightmare situation. My uncle's coming around
Speaker 1: and paying the mortgage like debt collectors at the door,
Speaker 1: like awful. I only found it out, like a few
Speaker 1: years ago. I knew about kne about the story of
Speaker 1: Dad being Innes, but this part of the story. So
Speaker 1: he hadn't told Mum he was coming home. There was
Speaker 1: just like we've got you on a flight and like
Speaker 1: no one had a mobile, so un as you asked
Speaker 1: for a call, So I just took him to Stretch
Speaker 1: to the airport. He's like great, So we just went
Speaker 1: and then he didn't call her from the airport because
Speaker 1: it again no mobile phends. He just got on trained
Speaker 1: back to Portsmouth. And Mum said that she was in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and she heard him whistle up up into
Speaker 1: the garden and he walked into about the garden and
Speaker 1: like obviously it was like they've realized it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it was just like such a relief
Speaker 1: for him to be home. And Mum cried and we
Speaker 1: were all like, oh my god, you're backing back. And
Speaker 1: I apparently ran up to him and Dad said, you
Speaker 1: want to watch the Jungle Book. That's the most beautiful
Speaker 1: And he said that that's what we kept thinking about
Speaker 1: when he was going to sleep in these like steel things,
Speaker 1: being like, why didn't I check? What did I do?
Speaker 1: Such an idiot? You were always told to check when
Speaker 1: you cross borders, you know, all this stuff. You know.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a very wealthy person, so we did loaded
Speaker 1: jobs that like maybe for people that were a bit dodge,
Speaker 1: but he didn't really know the ins and outs of it,
Speaker 1: but we were so he'd just been made bankrupt, so
Speaker 1: he was We were just so it was just so
Speaker 1: hard to make a living that Dad then was in
Speaker 1: this tiny cyle and no one spoke English. Anything they
Speaker 1: said to him was ten years and he had had
Speaker 1: no idea what was going to happen to him? And
Speaker 1: he's like a really sort of like easy going, good bloke.
Speaker 1: My dad they just fell on really hard times and
Speaker 1: then yeah came in and he just like, I don't
Speaker 1: remember it, but Mom said, oh yeah, he picked you
Speaker 1: up and said to you, do you want to watch
Speaker 1: a jungle? But oh my god, that's the most beautiful story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Must have been fucking amaze, just him
Speaker 1: appearing out of nowhere with no warning. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's like a Christmas miracle. Yeah, but I think one
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you're here, and then like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck did you do? Yeah? Yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: even know that? Yeah, so why are you driving? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So that's so then I have like a link to
Speaker 1: that as well. And I was on the phone to
Speaker 1: Mum and dad this morning. They were coming back from
Speaker 1: somewhere and I was coming through the hands free on
Speaker 1: the in the car, yeah, and I said, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my friends podcast about films. What was the first film
Speaker 1: that I watched? And Dad went, I'm the King of
Speaker 1: the Swingers. Oh yeah, of course it's my favorite answer
Speaker 1: to this question. Yead Oh thanks, that's beautiful. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: a lovely story. I mean, obviously that was drama, but
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? But there's always a
Speaker 1: little bit drama. I'd like to see that I was
Speaker 1: like the railway field in it ending. I know, I'd
Speaker 1: really like to write the film of my dad and
Speaker 1: his family's lives at some point, but the time hasn't
Speaker 1: come yet for me to feel like I can take
Speaker 1: on the subject, a big old subject like you know, family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also like just I'd really want to be able
Speaker 1: to shine like I wouldn't want it to be like Ken,
Speaker 1: like like oh my god, I believably bleak but also brilliant,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to show like the sort of softer
Speaker 1: light aside. I think there's something about certain working class
Speaker 1: people to sort of have this, well it's all gone wrong,
Speaker 1: but we're not dead yet. Yeah. Yeah, and i'd say
Speaker 1: the first sort of some parts of history, my family
Speaker 1: had very much been those sort of people have like, well,
Speaker 1: just got carry on. When you talked about that stuff
Speaker 1: in your stand up, did you have a conversation with
Speaker 1: your dad saying I wanted to Yeah, yeah I did,
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. And what was he like, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: seen it? Yeah, I don't think you want me to
Speaker 1: do and tell you, but I think in the live experience,
Speaker 1: because then someone else edits it, and it could it
Speaker 1: could end up being like a very different story because
Speaker 1: my dad was like, you know, it's like my father
Speaker 1: was in prison when I was a child, was like
Speaker 1: briefly was happening to say. I mean, the funny thing
Speaker 1: is still when it passed half when I was six.
Speaker 1: I'm thirteen now, so that's been like, get that ship
Speaker 1: out of my ass. Yeah, twenty six years been being
Speaker 1: like that light pastor just won't have it. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's a really good congratulations, Thank you. What
Speaker 1: is the film that scared you the most? So, going
Speaker 1: back to our earlier discussion re Ghosts, The Conjuring I
Speaker 1: loved Mate, tell you what Conjuring and The Conjuring two.
Speaker 1: It's a phenomenal horror film. And Annabelle Annabelle is all right,
Speaker 1: so I've not seen the countrying to cut the first
Speaker 1: country because it's so stay well, Dan, I think they're
Speaker 1: just great. It's yeah, it's a it's a great Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a great sort of ghost film in the way
Speaker 1: of like I find horror quite scary and I'm a
Speaker 1: bit of a worse with some stuff I like, And
Speaker 1: also like doing a job like this, you spend so
Speaker 1: much time, like on the road, staying in different hotels.
Speaker 1: Last year went and did some shows for the Melbourne
Speaker 1: Comedy Festival called this Comedy Road Show thing, and we
Speaker 1: were staying in, like we said, in one place that
Speaker 1: looked like bakes motel. You stay in places that are
Speaker 1: really and so no. And also like I've got quite
Speaker 1: an overactive brain, so I'm like, oh, like you know
Speaker 1: the classic like brushing your teeth and thinking there's like
Speaker 1: final cup, there's going to be a face behind me
Speaker 1: and the wind in the mirror, you know that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But I've got a couple of friends, Joe
Speaker 1: and Dan, who are a couple who are like two
Speaker 1: of my really good mates. They're really into horror, and
Speaker 1: so for a while a little group of us would
Speaker 1: go and watch horror films when they came out, and
Speaker 1: I would say that after Annabelle, I was like, do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I don leave this for
Speaker 1: a bit because it's not really my bag. I'm leaving
Speaker 1: this VENTI turn down. Yeah, I'm not leaving. I'm not
Speaker 1: leaving the friendship. I am leaving film club because this
Speaker 1: is scary. So the conjuring what is it like nineteen seventies? Yes,
Speaker 1: I believe ye shot in a way that sort of
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is high definition, but it's shot in
Speaker 1: a way that it sort of looks like a seventies film. Yeah.
Speaker 1: J I mean like it's a little bit superior in
Speaker 1: places it's not. It's got a good grade on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it is. Yeah, And I found
Speaker 1: that really scary. So the first one is it? The
Speaker 1: second one with the nun No, the first one is
Speaker 1: with Annabelle. It starts with the doll. Yes, because in
Speaker 1: the museum, didn't they So there's there's a couple who
Speaker 1: are like spirit hunters. Yeah. The second one Hunting Story. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've seen that as well. Yeah, so I've seen all
Speaker 1: three of them. But they are the same people, aren't they,
Speaker 1: because it's the same cast and everything. So yeah, just
Speaker 1: this idea that this doll is possessed and it's it's sucking,
Speaker 1: terrifying in places, it's really jumpy. When sometimes when I
Speaker 1: go and see horror films, I'll just watch like the
Speaker 1: corner of the screen, so I don't have to take
Speaker 1: everything in to be like, oh, it looks like as
Speaker 1: a ghost there or just it's the jumpiness that I find.
Speaker 1: But it is sort of thrilling, yeah, but also quite
Speaker 1: I don't know. I sort of like I've not watched
Speaker 1: a horror film for a while. There is something quite
Speaker 1: there's something quite exciting about watching them. But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I did not care much for parts of The Countring
Speaker 1: two and Annabelle. I mean, I think even the Counjuring one.
Speaker 1: I think the kind the first Countrying I thought was
Speaker 1: a fantastic film, and then the second one it got
Speaker 1: a bit scarier, and then the third one I just
Speaker 1: remember being quite exhausted afterwards. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: too much. I was just like, it's just being like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait this friend. I can't wait with his friend.
Speaker 1: It's about Charles Manson, isn't it. That's what it is Annabelle.
Speaker 1: Annabel is possessed by someone that kills themselves in Manson's
Speaker 1: cult right in the house. And the idea is I
Speaker 1: think that the spirit of that sort of cult number
Speaker 1: went into a doll, which, of course, when you say
Speaker 1: it on a podcast, sounds not only ridiculous, but also
Speaker 1: like one Earth, would you be scared of that? That's silly,
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, in the pictures, it's scary.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, I just think they're I
Speaker 1: think the Clenduring films in particular. There's lots of those films,
Speaker 1: but I think those two certainly are excellent. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: put together really proper actors in them. Yeah, well, I hear.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with so many horror films will sometimes
Speaker 1: not be great cast because sometimes they like to have
Speaker 1: people that are not famous, which makes sense because you
Speaker 1: want it to feel like a bit realer, because otherwise
Speaker 1: you'll be watching and being like, well, there's Hillary Swank.
Speaker 1: I know that she's fine because she's Hillary Swanks. She
Speaker 1: can box, Yeah, exactly, because there's no stools about it,
Speaker 1: She'll be absolutely fine. Yeah. I find quite a lot
Speaker 1: of thing. It's quite scary, but I like like the
Speaker 1: Omen and I really like Rosemary's Baby and sing Quite Female,
Speaker 1: which they're more like thrillery. So yeah, I'd say that
Speaker 1: was my I find those sorts. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: care much for Slasher, don't care much for blood sore films, nap,
Speaker 1: thank you gore, um, but ghost scare me. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know what is the film that made you cry?
Speaker 1: It's quite a few boys don't cry? Okay, great film?
Speaker 1: You girls do? Yeah, girls do. I'm absolutely weeping right now.
Speaker 1: Oh Still Alice, fucking Alm. Do you know what. I
Speaker 1: will be honest with you. I have not seen Still
Speaker 1: Alice for the simple reason that I see nearly everything
Speaker 1: and I loved you the more so much. But I
Speaker 1: read the synopsis Delis and I thought, I don't quite
Speaker 1: know why I would be watching this film because it
Speaker 1: just sounds so fucking depressing. It was really sad. So
Speaker 1: it's a film about a woman who is diagnosed with
Speaker 1: early on said dementia or Alzheimer's, don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I think dementia is when you're old, so I think
Speaker 1: it's Altzheimer's. And she is basically just sort of like
Speaker 1: lose herself. And it's really heartbreaking. Kristen Stewart that she
Speaker 1: plays her daughter husband Yeah, and it's just oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I pulled my eyes out. Yeah, it was really sad.
Speaker 1: Not untirely sure why I watched it, Like it's I mean,
Speaker 1: she's brilliant in it. She's so great in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: watch it for a masterpiece in acting. Yeah, and also
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I guess part of me it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are living that. That is some
Speaker 1: people's lives, don't you know. Yeah, it's really sad. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you're watching, if you can sit there
Speaker 1: and watch someone be like stabbed or like you know,
Speaker 1: or like in store, it's like, oh, the key to
Speaker 1: the bed rap is in that man's brain. Do you
Speaker 1: want to give a bed? But if you can watch
Speaker 1: that and be like, oh, that's fine, then I guess
Speaker 1: we should all be able to watch stuff like that
Speaker 1: and go, oh, this is the existence of some people
Speaker 1: and that's really sad, and their stories are still really valid,
Speaker 1: so yeah, watch them. But yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: moment where she forgets where the toilet is in our
Speaker 1: own house and worts herself and I bawled my eyes out.
Speaker 1: I just she's like, where's the bathroom. She goes into
Speaker 1: the rock, she's going into the wrong rooms and everyone's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know where the bathroom is, and it's just and
Speaker 1: then she when then she wets herself and just looks
Speaker 1: like she's just so great. Yeah, it's really moving. It's
Speaker 1: really sad. She's a pleading actor. She's a great actor.
Speaker 1: What was the other one you said they were the Notebook? Yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: that's lovely. Yeah, I found that very sad. Milk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cried a lot of milk. Seanpan's really good in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean up, I'm gonna be crier, like
Speaker 1: oh when Jesse sings True Story three when she Loved Me?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not the worst. What is the film that it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be bad but you love it? And this shamily.
Speaker 1: Most people are like, this film is terrible, critically disavowed.
Speaker 1: You're like idiots. I don't necessarily think idiots, but I
Speaker 1: think I don't care what you think. Love actually great.
Speaker 1: I like it. I think Emma Thompson's performance the that
Speaker 1: is magnific. When during that Jonie Mitchell's song yeah breaks
Speaker 1: your heart, So I say, yeah, that one. I don't
Speaker 1: don't massively care for Bernardi's character. And apparently there was
Speaker 1: a lesbian story in it that got cut. Really with
Speaker 1: France is still at our really yeah? And is it
Speaker 1: like an older gay couple in there who are going
Speaker 1: to be one of the small stories that you know
Speaker 1: they're all sort of little vignettesa put together. Where did
Speaker 1: they get cut time? I guess I don't know. Ask
Speaker 1: Caesar Rappers is working to the lesbian story and also
Speaker 1: can you just make a lesbian wrong com which is
Speaker 1: the wrong corm with lesbians and ask him thanks? Than
Speaker 1: can you also give him my TV? Yeah? Cool? You
Speaker 1: leave it here? What is the film you loved years ago?
Speaker 1: You used to love this film and then you've what's
Speaker 1: the reasoningly and you've got another idea this doesn't hold up.
Speaker 1: I found it really difficult this question. I feel like
Speaker 1: films are in sort of moments, like you know, you
Speaker 1: can look back at stuff and go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: people used to like, you know, obviously there's some awful
Speaker 1: messages in films, or awful like people playing sort of
Speaker 1: races that they're not and stuff like that, which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I found this very difficult to watch now, you know.
Speaker 1: I guess stuff like I loved Bring It On, and
Speaker 1: I loved Sese all that, but then of course I did.
Speaker 1: I was a teenage girl, yeah, and they were great.
Speaker 1: Then I don't think that I'd be like jumping into it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to go and watch to bring it
Speaker 1: on now, but I still you know, I still love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but from that time, I remember thinking, I know what
Speaker 1: you did last time I was terrifying and seeing a
Speaker 1: bit of a recently and being like, this is not
Speaker 1: at all scary. Not the country, No, it's not. And
Speaker 1: I really like Scream one and two, and then they
Speaker 1: sort of trailed off a bit. But yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: that was quite difficult. Okay, Well, if you would like
Speaker 1: to ignore that question, you can, but bear in mind
Speaker 1: that all your points are going to be added up
Speaker 1: at the end, and if you've left an answer empty,
Speaker 1: that's a zero. Okay, then bring it on. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's wronging or nothing. It just used to be. I
Speaker 1: used to think it was amazing and it might still be.
Speaker 1: You haven't checked. I don't know's trying to be positive
Speaker 1: about films break for your part, and I like it. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you if you're saying it's because you're being positive,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you five points. That's great. What is
Speaker 1: the film that has the most meaning to you? This
Speaker 1: is my favorite question, by the way. Okay, what's the
Speaker 1: film that is the most meaning to you? Not necessarily
Speaker 1: the films that great, but because of the experience you
Speaker 1: had around seeing it. It always means something to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, Jungle Book is a great
Speaker 1: answer to this. Yeah, but if you have another one,
Speaker 1: I do. I went to see so you know my
Speaker 1: lovely girlfriend, Alice. I absolutely love you, love you girl, Alice.
Speaker 1: She's great and last year we've been together for a
Speaker 1: few months, a couple of months, and then just before Christmas,
Speaker 1: we about three days for Christmas, we went to the
Speaker 1: BFI to see It's a Wonderful Life, and she'd never
Speaker 1: seen it, and I love It's a Wonderful Life like
Speaker 1: the black and white version. I've got no interest in
Speaker 1: the colorized one. And I just think it's just such
Speaker 1: a great story. And it's sort of old fashioned or romantic,
Speaker 1: and everyone has those sort of Harllywood voices that nobody
Speaker 1: ever really talk like. And I sort of love how
Speaker 1: it's sort of big and camp in places, but like
Speaker 1: sort of the overriding message of like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: sort of similar to Christmas Carol, isn't it, Like you know,
Speaker 1: this is what would happen if you hadn't have been here,
Speaker 1: like you know, you like you know, well, it's almost
Speaker 1: the opposite of Christmas care and the Christmas Carol is like,
Speaker 1: what the world is better without you? Yeah, the world's
Speaker 1: better is yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, I guess we're
Speaker 1: reverse of it. And yeah, I love the whole idea
Speaker 1: of it, and him sort of going from such a
Speaker 1: you know, the film starting in such a low place
Speaker 1: of like, oh, this guy's going to kill himself. That
Speaker 1: that's a really dark way to open a Christmas storm,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then the sort of the journey
Speaker 1: that he goes on and sort of seeing I don't know,
Speaker 1: just giving him sort of more hope in himself and
Speaker 1: him realizing I don't know, I guess the film's about
Speaker 1: realizing how lucky you are. And I really like Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yeah really, I'm really I'm a big kid when it
Speaker 1: comes to Christmas. I like doing all the like going
Speaker 1: and getting world wine and going to a wanky Christmas
Speaker 1: market and walking through the city and people being festive,
Speaker 1: and I love all of that. I'm a fan. I
Speaker 1: ve all of it except Christmas kicks. Oh yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say it's really special because then we've been
Speaker 1: dating for a little while and we knew it was
Speaker 1: going really well, and I was like oh, we need
Speaker 1: to go and see this wom I can't believe you've
Speaker 1: seen it. Went to the b FI, which it's always
Speaker 1: loved to going into the pictures, but there's something about
Speaker 1: going to like sort of either an old fashioned cinema yeah,
Speaker 1: or someone like the BFI that feels a bit grand
Speaker 1: yeah and so, and to be in a cinema that's packed.
Speaker 1: So there was not a seat left and at the
Speaker 1: end when the bow rings, everyone burst into applause. Which
Speaker 1: it was about two days for Christmas, and then we
Speaker 1: decided to get the bus home back to East London,
Speaker 1: so that's just on a big double decker bus, and
Speaker 1: watched people with all their mates and different people doing
Speaker 1: all their little Christmas things on the way home, and
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is I think this relationship
Speaker 1: is gonna This is so Yeah, i'd say that. Imagine
Speaker 1: if you hadn't liked the film. Yeah, when she cried
Speaker 1: as well, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's
Speaker 1: the same as me. He's the crier go on weep week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's lovely days. Here we go, ready, yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1: What film do you think is the sexiest? I think
Speaker 1: Dirty Dancing is pretty sexy. It's pretty sexy. I remember
Speaker 1: watching that as being like, guys, this is very rude,
Speaker 1: or maybe just maybe preteen, remember thinking, say, the Last
Speaker 1: Dance was very sexy. I mean I think it's dancing.
Speaker 1: D Yeah, say the Last Dance. I loved, loved that movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, i'd say it on the whole it will
Speaker 1: be something like that dancing. It's something about Patrick's swayzy.
Speaker 1: I'm dancing. I'm dancing. It's hot. Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: side category. Yeah, so this question, Yeah, Traveling Bone is
Speaker 1: worrying wide ones a film that you found arousing and
Speaker 1: thought perhaps I shouldn't. I've heard boys say about being
Speaker 1: attracted to like you know, I made Marian in the
Speaker 1: Disney version. Yeah yeah, but I mean I can obviously
Speaker 1: see the Little Mermaid's fit. I still know she's a maid.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I've had an arousing moment, but
Speaker 1: wasn't like, this is an arousing moment. So what puts
Speaker 1: you up about the Little Moment is that she's half fish,
Speaker 1: not that she's a cartoon. It says a little bit
Speaker 1: of Columai, a little bit Colmo. So you do have
Speaker 1: an answer with this, No, okay, that is all right, Sorry,
Speaker 1: you don't these points been answering that weird question? That's good.
Speaker 1: What's the film that you most relate to? To be honest,
Speaker 1: I love watching anything that's has has quick character. Isn't
Speaker 1: it okay? Because I mean it's happening more and more now,
Speaker 1: but it's still it's still relatively rare to see a
Speaker 1: gay woman in a lead role in a film. You
Speaker 1: can sort of count them on one hand, you know. Carol, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. I love Carol, such a great film.
Speaker 1: Christmas film too. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, Carol's beautiful, beautiful film.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it shot so beautiful. It looks like who's that?
Speaker 1: Is it? Hopper? That it looks like he's paintings, doesn't
Speaker 1: it Like there's a really famous painting of his where
Speaker 1: of a woman of people sitting in bastards and it's
Speaker 1: not bastards, Like yeah, and the whole film sort of
Speaker 1: has that wash. Yeah. I love that film. I've watched
Speaker 1: it a bunch of times. Also, if you like that film,
Speaker 1: look up the s and l Kate McKinnon think of it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's so funny. Apparently when they played
Speaker 1: it at Sundance they put on the s and Now
Speaker 1: sketch beforehand, and that was very funny, which I really liked.
Speaker 1: So that then the kids are all right, that's a
Speaker 1: good film. It's a great film. Gen Julie More, our friend,
Speaker 1: our friend, Julian. Can you think of any others? I
Speaker 1: guess it's part of the issue I think currently in
Speaker 1: entertainment is that now there is a lot of diversity
Speaker 1: being addressed. However, it's often like, if you're going to
Speaker 1: have a queer character, it has to be a queer story,
Speaker 1: rather than you have a lesbian actor just playing a
Speaker 1: detective and you mean a lesbian character. Well, yes, it
Speaker 1: could be, but but but it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. Yeah, so that the character happens to
Speaker 1: be gay rather than that's their story. Yeah, I completely agree,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the issues that we go all right,
Speaker 1: we're doing it now, but they're always very specifically, and
Speaker 1: I think because of that, they end up sometimes not
Speaker 1: being as mainstream. Yeah. A film I think called Me
Speaker 1: by Your Name? Did that really well what you thought?
Speaker 1: Because I think it was quite sort of an loudly
Speaker 1: gay but it also just was about a boy's sexual awakening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it was it was about another man,
Speaker 1: but it was very much just a boy's personal journey.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair, you know, like sort of a
Speaker 1: old fashioned idea of what every gable he goes through,
Speaker 1: which might be like, oh, he's being really camp, he's
Speaker 1: dressing up, he's being really outrageous, which is definitely a
Speaker 1: role within the gay community, and that is something that's
Speaker 1: some game men I like. But there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of other gay men that don't fit that narrative. But
Speaker 1: but we see more of that on screen, you know,
Speaker 1: we do see a lot more of that with gay
Speaker 1: male stories. I feel like there's still quite a long
Speaker 1: way to go with having gay female stories. And it's
Speaker 1: the same in like in sitcoms, in drama, in anything
Speaker 1: of they're not being you know, I'm not saying like
Speaker 1: every story has to be gay. It's just like I
Speaker 1: feature in loads of my friends lives. Yeah, most of
Speaker 1: my friends are straight people, not through choice, but just because,
Speaker 1: especially like comedy, there are you know, there is there
Speaker 1: are quite a few gay girls in comedy. But a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends are white straight men, not necessarily white,
Speaker 1: but straight men. And I guess because and I feature
Speaker 1: in their lives and it's not you know, the story
Speaker 1: is never around my sexuality. I just exist. And I
Speaker 1: feel like seeing that is really sort of and it's
Speaker 1: really it's really like connecting when you're a young adult.
Speaker 1: It really makes you. There's a moment in Mean Girls
Speaker 1: where they say that one of the girls is gay.
Speaker 1: The girl that's like the aunty girl who's like, she's
Speaker 1: like friends with I think he's called Jacob, who's like that.
Speaker 1: They're her friends at the beginning of the movie, and
Speaker 1: then she becomes friends with like the bitchy girls. So
Speaker 1: there's a bit in the film where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's I've heard she's a lesbian. And I remember being
Speaker 1: in a sena thinking please be gay, and she's not.
Speaker 1: It was like a way to be horrible to her.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, please be gay, please be please normalize
Speaker 1: this for me. And I think it probably happens, hopefully
Speaker 1: happens less now, certainly in this country. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know gets across the world, isn't that you know,
Speaker 1: illegal and seventy eight countries punishable by death and ten yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it's not like you know, the everything's you know,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like there's so many gay stories
Speaker 1: that haven't been told and that I think would be
Speaker 1: super interesting to a straight audience. You know, in the
Speaker 1: same way that you know you don't have to be
Speaker 1: a Serian refugee to really enjoy a film about Serian refugees.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just sort of and so I think
Speaker 1: that whenever there's characters in films that are gay, and
Speaker 1: certainly gay women, it just sort of really tugs at
Speaker 1: my heart. I loved Pride. I thought Pride was such
Speaker 1: a beautiful film telling such an interesting story that people
Speaker 1: didn't know about. You know, these two. If you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, first of all, watch it. But it's about
Speaker 1: a group of people that are miners in Wales that
Speaker 1: have been sort of the Miners Strike. They're all striking
Speaker 1: for pay and safety, and basically the Gay Liberation Front
Speaker 1: in London, whose headquarters used to be Engaged the World,
Speaker 1: which is a gay bookshop that still exists in Russell Square.
Speaker 1: They basically raised funds to help them, and it's this
Speaker 1: sort of very sweet story of two different types of
Speaker 1: people who are very different types of fee people feeling
Speaker 1: like no one cared and then both saying I'll care.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it, just crying so much and finding
Speaker 1: it so moving that these different types of people standing
Speaker 1: up for each other. And I couldn't believe that it
Speaker 1: hadn't already been told because if it was like about
Speaker 1: two rival football teams, there'd be eight films about it
Speaker 1: and a series. Yea, if it was a story, you know,
Speaker 1: if it was a story that But like I think,
Speaker 1: I guess for a long time people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: who's going to watch it? And it's like everyone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I think, unfortunately, and well, and what's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting is it is a business. The film is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what like something like Black Panther proved this Black
Speaker 1: Panther is fucking massive and brilliant and brilliant. I'm not
Speaker 1: into superhero films at all. Would be cast as a
Speaker 1: superhero film, yeah, and I'm not into them. Like I've
Speaker 1: seen a few, liked some of them, liked a couple
Speaker 1: of the X Men films, but I'm not a Marvel girl.
Speaker 1: I'm not into that. And I it totally made me think, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I amn't sit and then I'll never I watched
Speaker 1: another one. I just loved it. I think so brilliant
Speaker 1: and such social commentary within a film where you don't
Speaker 1: not that you don't expect it, but like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: telling me lots of things by yeah, you know, just
Speaker 1: this sort of fantasy world, which I guess is what
Speaker 1: the job of superheroes films can be. But I just
Speaker 1: thought it was executed so beautifully. Yeah, go on. Well,
Speaker 1: but the point is that it was considered for a
Speaker 1: long time a risk to have a black cast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yea one person and women and all sorts. And it's
Speaker 1: huge and it made so much money, absolute box of
Speaker 1: a smash. Yeah. It wasn't like only black people went
Speaker 1: to see it, only women with short hair, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like no one went to see
Speaker 1: it and it was it's a good film. So now
Speaker 1: you can put more to the business. Yes, not everyone
Speaker 1: has to be white or male or the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be a bounce the black
Speaker 1: experience or you know, well yeah exactly, because that's not
Speaker 1: yeah a story. Yeah, and that's what I hope happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's great that there's sort
Speaker 1: of I've you hear about a lot there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of gay films that are coming out this year
Speaker 1: about women and trans films and films about the game.
Speaker 1: Male Experience is the one that's come out with Nicole
Speaker 1: Kidman in it. It's about conversion therapy, about them sending
Speaker 1: people saying I'm really sorry to come from the name
Speaker 1: of it, but that looks really good. And there's loads
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I think that's the thing that is
Speaker 1: so much room within films and within storytelling, and I
Speaker 1: think that this is still a long way to go,
Speaker 1: not a long way to go back, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stories that are yet to be told. And
Speaker 1: so I say that, I'd say that I get this
Speaker 1: sort of physical connection to those films where I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't me, but this is highlighting part
Speaker 1: of the queer history that I am now part of
Speaker 1: because of my life. Great thanks what objectively it is
Speaker 1: the greatest film Before you're going to hate me for
Speaker 1: saying this, I'm not going to hate you for saying it.
Speaker 1: The rest I will say for the listener that starts
Speaker 1: saying in the when I send people the questions, try
Speaker 1: to avoid ET only because ET pops up in various forms. However,
Speaker 1: I am making the exception for you, c rather because
Speaker 1: I do know that Eat is very I mean I
Speaker 1: have a figurine of him on my mountelpiece. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he would be bigger than that, I think. I think
Speaker 1: I imagine Eat around three foot right, Okay, just definitely
Speaker 1: depends on the side. Tell okay, sure. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's an amazing film. I watch it about
Speaker 1: twice a year. I love him, I love it. I
Speaker 1: love the story between him and Elliott. I love it
Speaker 1: when he's dressed up as a woman. I love when
Speaker 1: he's drunk at school. I mean, Eat is a story
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether me as a gay person
Speaker 1: particularly linked to it because I felt like a real
Speaker 1: outsider as a child, and I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: about Elliott. Not Et being the outside, but Elliott being
Speaker 1: the outsider, and then him finding this friend. And I
Speaker 1: was a bit of like not weirdo at school. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of mates, and I found it
Speaker 1: quite hard to I mean, this is nice therapy, but
Speaker 1: because of I think, if you're growing up and you
Speaker 1: are gay, and you are you constantly have this secret
Speaker 1: in different people that come out really early amazing. But
Speaker 1: I didn't, and I always had this massive secret. So
Speaker 1: because of that, I never could be completely relaxed. Were
Speaker 1: you always aware of it when I was about twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen, Yeah, okay, And then I didn't come out
Speaker 1: for about ten years. So it was like carrying around
Speaker 1: a backpack of shame. And when you're always carrying that,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to relax around people. So therefore I
Speaker 1: found it very hard to make friends. And I was
Speaker 1: a bit of a I was considered to be a
Speaker 1: bit of a loser, and so there was something in
Speaker 1: Eat that Elliott was this kid that got sort of
Speaker 1: he gets picked on right at the top of the film,
Speaker 1: and his brother's sort of mean to him, and then
Speaker 1: he has this friend. And I just loved it from
Speaker 1: when I probably watched it a bit too young, and
Speaker 1: I think my brother, who was four years older than me,
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, I don't watch that as scary,
Speaker 1: But I loved it. I loved this idea of this
Speaker 1: little man from our space and there was nothing because
Speaker 1: it was really kind and his people are kind. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like it that they've changed the film now
Speaker 1: so that it's so that the spaceship looks better. Give
Speaker 1: me the old spaceship. I love that you only set
Speaker 1: the people from the waist down except for the mum
Speaker 1: until the last third of the film. Grown ups not people,
Speaker 1: the grown ups. I love how the siblings come together
Speaker 1: to do something positive. There's a car chase, there's like
Speaker 1: there's a bit of action. There's sort of love, not
Speaker 1: a romantic love, but a love that Elliot and Eat
Speaker 1: have for each other and Gertie, the little sister. And
Speaker 1: there's peril that like you know, you're scared, there's longing
Speaker 1: for each other. There's it's sort of a sad ending.
Speaker 1: It sort of has all these elements. There's moments that
Speaker 1: are scary that at the beginning moment with the swing
Speaker 1: and then him being in the in like the shed
Speaker 1: fit or where they put the bins, and when he
Speaker 1: rolls the ball back, you know, that's a jumpy moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's comedy when Elliot's schoolingly that's all the frogs free,
Speaker 1: when the brother bangs his head, when the brother banks
Speaker 1: his head, yeah, yeah, so good. When he's dressed as
Speaker 1: the lady. Yeah, and he does like love it so
Speaker 1: much too. Love. Yeah. It's also like a sort of
Speaker 1: seventies movie, like the dinner scene with the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels the improvised, feels like, yeah, loses her cool
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, it so real and yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, I wonder, I don't know. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: seen that. I've got the bonus addition DVD rerelease, of
Speaker 1: course I do. It's got an extra bonus video and
Speaker 1: video DVD. How they make it with your obviously watch
Speaker 1: and you see all the auditions, and the yellow one
Speaker 1: is quite famous that he was incredible and they were like,
Speaker 1: don't take any sort of They filmed his audition and
Speaker 1: it's just a little kid that goes to a drama club,
Speaker 1: I think, and they said, we've taken away your friend.
Speaker 1: And he bursts and tears and has this incredible talent
Speaker 1: of being able to touch this emotional part of him
Speaker 1: at such a own age. It's incredible. But the Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore audition is amazing as well. And Steven Spielberg originally
Speaker 1: saw her Poltergeist but thought she was too light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, she's too bubbly. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as et came along, because the idea was and Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore says in It is that she knew that he
Speaker 1: wasn't real, but she didn't completely believe he was fake.
Speaker 1: So I imagine with those sort of family scenes, and
Speaker 1: because so much of it as children, there's so much
Speaker 1: like like you know, this classroom scenes of kids that
Speaker 1: are like ten, it's not like teenagers who are almost
Speaker 1: adults with children. And I imagine he's the kind of
Speaker 1: director that just keeps the camera going. But yeah, just
Speaker 1: keep drawing it in different ways. Yeah, and because I
Speaker 1: feel like there's I mean, I'm really into it. Really
Speaker 1: this is definitely staying you Really you've earned its place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do have an et as in you related
Speaker 1: to Elliott and you then like this idea of this
Speaker 1: friend that appeared. Yeah, I used to have an imaginary friend. Yes,
Speaker 1: and she lived in my watch. She was called Gemini.
Speaker 1: Gemini Yeah didn't your watch? Yeah, okay, she was like
Speaker 1: from space. I think she was green, more like a
Speaker 1: pink jumpsuit, which is probably from something. But I didn't
Speaker 1: really believe that she was real. But I used to
Speaker 1: play we didn't know she was face. I used to
Speaker 1: play talking into my watch and then her talking about
Speaker 1: to me and me running around and being crazy. She
Speaker 1: wasn't measuringy friend and that like I saw her. I
Speaker 1: just sort of conjured her up in my brain of
Speaker 1: who she was. Did you feel that way for ten
Speaker 1: years that I had to have measuredy friends? No, when
Speaker 1: I was twenty one, I sort of reined it in slightly. No,
Speaker 1: as in before you came out, he came out at
Speaker 1: twenty end. Is yeah. So for those ten years from
Speaker 1: twelve when you were aware to nine years, Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you feel like Elliott? Like? Did it change? You know?
Speaker 1: I felt very much like an outsider and like I
Speaker 1: didn't fit, and that I was really ashamed that I
Speaker 1: didn't fit. That she is sad, but I think now
Speaker 1: it's but I think that the way that it can
Speaker 1: be less sad as if there is more. Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 1: So you didn't have anything around that showed you the
Speaker 1: being was okay? Yeah? No, no, nothing. The only thing
Speaker 1: I really knew is that Elvin came out and she
Speaker 1: lost her job. Oh fuck yeah. And you didn't have
Speaker 1: there were none of your friends, no one else in
Speaker 1: school and nothing. No one else in school, no friends,
Speaker 1: an uncle that lives in Germany that I don't really know,
Speaker 1: a great uncle of my granddad brother like no one else,
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone gay, hadn't really met any gay people
Speaker 1: had met a couple of campmen. Did you talk to
Speaker 1: anyone about it? No? No, I mean I think it's
Speaker 1: why therapy now because there's a lot to carry around.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but then what stops that happening is
Speaker 1: people having discussions and what else discussions? Yeah, is you
Speaker 1: know role models, people in films, that stories being told, visits.
Speaker 1: Two personal find it fascinating is when when you did
Speaker 1: come out, if you were went through all this time,
Speaker 1: I not speak to anyone. Yeah. Was it that you
Speaker 1: were like, I can't take this anyone, I have to
Speaker 1: come out, or was it did something happen that made
Speaker 1: you feel okay, I can do this. I can tell
Speaker 1: you the honest thing. And I don't mind you keeping
Speaker 1: this in, but it's quite bleak. I remember I had
Speaker 1: a boyfriend who was a lovely, really really nice guy.
Speaker 1: We were living together or I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we were living together officially, but I was
Speaker 1: staying with him for a bit, and it was during
Speaker 1: my last year of druma school. I think maybe I
Speaker 1: was in my second year tow was the ind of
Speaker 1: drama school, and I remember thinking nothing to do with him.
Speaker 1: By the way, he was great I remember thinking, if
Speaker 1: I have to live this life for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life, i'd seen to be dead. And I remember
Speaker 1: having that thought and then thinking that can't be the story.
Speaker 1: You have to deal with this. So have seen after
Speaker 1: that moment, did you. I went to my friend's house
Speaker 1: that night, my friend Amanda. I got to Amanda's house
Speaker 1: and cried my eyes out and she was amazing. And Matt,
Speaker 1: her husband's now boyfriend at the time, he was amazing
Speaker 1: as well, and they would and I just and they
Speaker 1: knew loads of gay people, and I'd met I'd met
Speaker 1: a few gay people by this point, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really have a close friend that was gay. And I
Speaker 1: totally a couple of my friends of my friend Ruth
Speaker 1: being amazing and just going to remember telling you my
Speaker 1: friend's house. Don't moved up his place, the boyfriend's place,
Speaker 1: and she said why are you here? And I said,
Speaker 1: I've left him, and she said why and I said,
Speaker 1: because I think I'm gay, and she went, I'll put
Speaker 1: the cattle on. And so my friends reacted in such
Speaker 1: a blazo way too. I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be sort of this far bigger thing, which it was,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, But obviously, you know, in their lives.
Speaker 1: It was like, okay, yeah, that's fine. And so I
Speaker 1: think that I've often identified with outsiders in films or
Speaker 1: um or in series, or people that aren't quite the norm.
Speaker 1: This is two very beautiful stories of turd in. This
Speaker 1: not very funny, but that's okay, it's all right, doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be. What is the one film you could
Speaker 1: watch over and over again or have watched over and
Speaker 1: over again? Titanic? Really love Titanic almost. I refused to
Speaker 1: put it in the question what's the bad film that
Speaker 1: you love? Because it's not a bad play. It's a
Speaker 1: great I stand by Jack and Rose until my dying breath. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's a great film. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you want to know why is it? You could?
Speaker 1: I love Kate Wins, I love Love Dicabrio. I love
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, it's very very sea. Um, it's great.
Speaker 1: I love from the opening. You know, it doesn't look
Speaker 1: any bigger than the Grand Britannia. It's far bigger, far
Speaker 1: more luxurious. There's just no pleasing your daughter. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love the costumes and time, and I love that
Speaker 1: love transcends class and money. Are you laughing at that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm coughing. Are you sure? Yeah, i'd like to believe
Speaker 1: that's true. We all would. Yeah, I had a really
Speaker 1: post govern once. I don't think they've transcended it. Did
Speaker 1: you not? Did you try? Did you sketch like one
Speaker 1: of your French girls? Maybe that's what you should have
Speaker 1: done in the end, I think class we couldn't transcend it. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that everything they say is right. We
Speaker 1: went on a boat, to be fair. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're tracking, Yeah, I just think it's a great film.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a really good film. I think
Speaker 1: it's got a bit of everything in it. I think
Speaker 1: it's a love story. I think Kate Winslet is a
Speaker 1: phenomenal actress. He is correct. I think Leo is a
Speaker 1: flomal actor is. I think it's done. I think and
Speaker 1: I think they're both some people You watch films and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, they really learnt that. They really don't
Speaker 1: how to happen, you know what I mean? They're both
Speaker 1: great in it. They're both great in it. Lovely and
Speaker 1: love love it. Love that we've got the old lady
Speaker 1: at the end. Yeah, I mean throwing that away, But
Speaker 1: I also love the bit. I love that it like
Speaker 1: dovetails at the end because halfway through the film, Jackson's
Speaker 1: to write, when the boat's sinking, Jackson's stros, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not dying here, You're not dying now. You're going
Speaker 1: to die an old lady in your rooms, surrounded by photos.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens at the end of the film.
Speaker 1: It's lovely when you tell it, I moved yours that
Speaker 1: the Titanic just moved me more than Titanic. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: I should sit next to you and tell you how
Speaker 1: you ought to feel. Yeah, tell you. Yeah, this is sad.
Speaker 1: He's coming up to do yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're dancing, she said, I to dance on this Normally
Speaker 1: she's letting her head down. She not literally, but she
Speaker 1: feels like she's like. That's actually my least favorite part
Speaker 1: of the film. I said. The best scene is when
Speaker 1: the mom is doing up her corset and she says,
Speaker 1: we've got no money. You realize what horrible compromised position
Speaker 1: roses and she has to marry this horrible guy to
Speaker 1: keep her family clothed. Just to Mary, it's really three
Speaker 1: dimensional man. Billy's name exactly that really complicated three character.
Speaker 1: That's Yester Mary cal is that his name? He'll never
Speaker 1: learned that. Yeah, you're my fiance. My fiance trying to
Speaker 1: my wife. Great, honestly, I really like I think if
Speaker 1: you ever run out of material due to do tatanic life. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I would paid to see that you could try and
Speaker 1: make it slightly shorter than the actual film. I'll see
Speaker 1: what I can do. I'm not making any promise, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. We don't have to be negative, you and me.
Speaker 1: I'm naturally not a negative person. Don't like negant other
Speaker 1: people's work. No, what's the worst we've ever seen? It's
Speaker 1: more that some films just leave me a bit. I
Speaker 1: watch one of the Weekend actually that I didn't laugh,
Speaker 1: The Snowman with Michael Frespender. Okay, I think you can
Speaker 1: have that. Have you seen it? That's the best part
Speaker 1: of The Snowman is the plaster campaign. Yeah. It's really slow,
Speaker 1: and I know that's sort of the thing with like
Speaker 1: Norwegian like long landscape shots. Yeah, you know, like and
Speaker 1: like the music and it's all you know, but Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: like it got to a quote where every one was like,
Speaker 1: if anything happened yet, And I was like, no, not really.
Speaker 1: Whenever there's a killer, well you know that what happened.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this snow man. And I'm almost interested too,
Speaker 1: because the director, who's a brilliant director, une involved and
Speaker 1: it's brilliant, said in an interview on the opening weekend
Speaker 1: that they had only filmed seventy of the script, so
Speaker 1: there is chunks of it missing. So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Do you know what? It sort of
Speaker 1: doesn't right. Well, it sort of leads up and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's this killer. They're leaving signals or the leaving
Speaker 1: a snowman, they're leaving things. Oh okay, you can sort
Speaker 1: of there's a profile to the kind of women's he's killing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can go through all that stuff. But then you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: one of the detectives is linked to this case in
Speaker 1: a different way that we didn't expect. Okay, that's slightly interesting.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, I don't know it was all along.
Speaker 1: It has done right, so long drawn out there where
Speaker 1: you're going, God, this must room pop in a minute,
Speaker 1: and it just didn't quite get there. And I like
Speaker 1: fastbender and excellent, and it's based on a bok by
Speaker 1: Jona's but it's great. Yeah, but okay, that's a good
Speaker 1: idn't love it? Didn't love it? But I don't mean
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the worth thing ever made. That
Speaker 1: was just just didn't the thing was? You know, I
Speaker 1: think it's most annoying when it's a film that could
Speaker 1: almost be brilliant. Oh yeah, well everything about that film
Speaker 1: should be brilliant exactly. Whereas if you're like White Chicks,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a funny movie. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: funny movie. But if you're like if you read the
Speaker 1: synopsis of someone you can go, I could see how
Speaker 1: that would be awful. Do you know what is it?
Speaker 1: But no, it's actually really funny. That bit where they're
Speaker 1: singing making way so funny. So funny. Yeah, really brilliant,
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a White Chicks that could be bad having seen it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, what's the film that
Speaker 1: made you laugh the most? Other than White Chicks? Airplane? Great?
Speaker 1: Love it. I think it's a brilliant film. Love Leslie
Speaker 1: Nelson almost of Liam Neeson not the same. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see him, do take it. Oh, talking of Liam
Speaker 1: Neeson widows what a great film, great film. Loved it,
Speaker 1: good film, so brilliant by Ada Davis, so much to love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: such a great film. Loved it. Brilliant film. Just such
Speaker 1: a cast with so many non white people in it.
Speaker 1: Yea for the fact that it's a relationship between a
Speaker 1: black woman and a white man, and that hasn't got
Speaker 1: like we was thinking about the gay story. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not that, no part of the script. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not it doesn't need to be addressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was just one of the things that I
Speaker 1: loved about it, sort of retrospectively thinking about it afterwards
Speaker 1: and reading some stuff about it. But god, I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great maybe loved it anyway. Back to Airplane. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I love it. So funny, so many great lines, so
Speaker 1: many great lines. You know, this is a bad day
Speaker 1: to stop smoking crack or came. Yeah. The nun who
Speaker 1: accidentally unplugs the guy, the guy's life support, the girl's
Speaker 1: life support, and then she goes like, so funny, it's
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. I love everything about it. I've watched it loads,
Speaker 1: and I remember watching it as a teenager and think
Speaker 1: it was funny, and then watching it as an add
Speaker 1: it and there's so many hidden jokes that you would
Speaker 1: not have. Amount of effort they put it in that
Speaker 1: film is extraordinary. I think it's I think you'd be
Speaker 1: hard pushed to find a film that has a hired
Speaker 1: joke account. Yeah, it's either it would be their film,
Speaker 1: it'd be naked. Yeah, it's either every line is either
Speaker 1: a setup or a punch line. Yeah, and that is
Speaker 1: so rare. And there's sight gags, then there's it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Fantastic films usually ends up we get end up on
Speaker 1: spinal tap, but Airplane probably got even more jokes. I've
Speaker 1: never seen spinal tap, I know, I know. I've never
Speaker 1: seen Star Wars either. Yeah, I know we've got a
Speaker 1: lovely life. Haven't seen Goonies? Yeah, I know you should wat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like it probably feels like a chore because
Speaker 1: you think it's such a classic place. It's it's really funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it, all right, and you think, well, I think,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, okay, now, been incredible guests, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I had some wonderful is real insight and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. However, when you were cut up by that
Speaker 1: black van, yeah, you underneath and your biomy is really awful.
Speaker 1: That's not how I wanted you to go. Did I
Speaker 1: have all my das that in my backpack? No, you
Speaker 1: had nothing on you except you had your sketchbook and
Speaker 1: your your what your ad was a voice rid of
Speaker 1: you doing impressions. You were just taking the dead ring?
Speaker 1: Is it radio for? Oh god? Oh god? They know
Speaker 1: we got to hell them how you were crashed under
Speaker 1: the van and the van was big, and it's okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's Yeah, we've got the gifts. I'm dead, I'm
Speaker 1: dead dead. No, but it's worse than that because you've
Speaker 1: been really spread out ever and we've had to clear
Speaker 1: everything out put you in the coffin. But the coffin
Speaker 1: was the size of you. But we ended up picking
Speaker 1: up bits of right as it's a lot more stuff
Speaker 1: than we thought. Right, we stuffed you in the coffee
Speaker 1: and now there's any room in the coffin for one
Speaker 1: DVD that we can just slide in the side. And
Speaker 1: when you go to the other side, there's a movie night,
Speaker 1: and one movie night is going to be your movie nights.
Speaker 1: What film are you taking to SOA then pride? Fantastic answer.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I'll already have eat. I reckon, I'll get
Speaker 1: there and like they'd be like four people like, oh
Speaker 1: we've watched that on Tuesday, but can we like, oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta leave it a month. Yeah, it'll be a rule.
Speaker 1: But I feel like maybe no one else will take
Speaker 1: pride like some people will. Maybe, but it's not on
Speaker 1: every note. No, you can have pride. Thank you, congratulation,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Sue Breast Dallian, love to you,
Speaker 1: thank you for being on the show. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. It's lovely time in heaven with pride. And
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