WEBVTT - #272 Packers Unscripted: Looking ahead 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:20.560 M Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.360 I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.880 hod Koits for coming to you here from our studios 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.160 at lambeau Field. Excuse me and West. On our last show, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.559 we kind of ran down some of the key topics 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.040 burning questions facing the Packers NFC North opponents here heading 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.159 into at this stage of the off season, I want 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.520 to continue that discussion in some ways, but not about 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.040 the NFC North. Some of the other opponents on the 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.920 Packers schedule coming up, and this is what we're gonna do. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.800 We know starting out here that the Packers will be 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.840 playing every team in the NFC West, So those four 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.960 opponents are on the schedule. I want you to pick 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.760 one of those opponents, the one that intrigues you the most, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.960 and then tell me what you think is the biggest 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.320 question facing that opponent. Well, first off, NFC West, it's 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.800 been interesting to watch this rivalry that the Packers have 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.280 had with the teams from that division. Uh really, outside 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.360 of the Los Angeles Rams, who now have shown that 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.680 they are a legitimate contender in the NFC, they've had 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.839 battles with the forty Niners, with the Seahawks, with the Cardinals. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.040 The thing that's been difficult, though, is it's been tough 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.920 for one of those teams to stay on top. The 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.199 forty Niners did it for a couple of years. St. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.000 Louis did it. Arizona was in contention, and now it 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.560 looks like the Rams might be that team. For me, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.000 I go back to the consistency side of it, and 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.199 to me, the most consistent team has been the Seattle Seahawks. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.520 But as you documented on your story on Packers dot 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.600 Com when you were outlining some of these matchups, this 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.720 is really, I think a turning point for the Seahawks. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.960 I almost look at it as sort of like what 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.280 happens after the honeymoon phases over. They've had the success, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.600 they've won the Super Bowl, they faced adversity, and now 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.440 they have question marks there. They missed the playoffs last year. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.720 Russell Wilson, if you look at his numbers a year ago, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.920 the Agreeman Packers didn't have Aaron Rodgers for basically ten games. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.840 Seattle Seahawks had Russell Wilson the whole year, but he 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.600 wasn't able to overcome the shortcoming to their offensive line, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.440 the defense that eroded in some ways due to injuries 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.120 John Schneider and Pete Carroll. I think are are at 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.120 a crossroads a little bit if they can keep this 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.519 team contending and keep them at top because with the 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.520 question that they have in the secondary right now is 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.240 that defense gets older, they have to make some really 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.880 tough calls. I think this these upcoming months to determine 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.679 what what course of action they're gonna be taking into 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.560 these next three or four seasons. Yeah, I agree with 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.519 you with that that term crossroads. I do think this 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.080 is this is a crucial offseason for the Seahawks, and 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.040 you know, very differently from the Packers, as crucial as 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.560 this offseason is for Green Bay as well. But you 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.239 mentioned the secondary, the legion of boom. You've got Cam 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.720 Chancellor and Richard Sherman are both going to be trying 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.480 to come back from significant injuries. And and on top 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.639 of that, Earl Thomas, who I think is the youngest 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:08.280 of that trio, is not mistaken. Yeah, he's the guy 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.959 who's now talking about maybe holding out unless he gets 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.639 a new contract or an extension, you know, some more, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.080 some more money from the Seahawks. So you know, those 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.720 three guys, they've they've been they've been the foundation of 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.799 of that secondary. And then you say, along with Bobby 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.400 Wagner on the second level and Michael Bennett upfront, really 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.440 the foundation of that that top notch defense for a 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.720 number of years. And you just wonder, is is this 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.320 going to be the transition year where where it doesn't 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.720 quite all come back together because of the injuries, the 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.560 contract situations, all of that, or are John Schneider and 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.520 Pete Carroll going to be able to hold it together 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.920 with this core of a defense and try to make 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.960 one more run. You give Snyder a lot of credit. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.400 He phoned Russell Wilson. Pete Carroll developed Russell Wilson and 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.600 he became an m v P type player in this league. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.360 But let's also be honest, Mike Russell Wilson was the 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.240 third round pick. And you can draw these lines where 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.600 you have teams that it play, have quarterbacks at under 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.040 that play undervalue, and then when they get that contract, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.000 that's when you have to start making more difficult decisions elsewhere. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.360 It changes everything with your salary cap. It's tough to 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.800 keep the pan together. It's tough to keep the party going, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.400 and I think that's what the Seahawks are currently trying 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.719 to work themselves through. Yeah, and when you also look 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.600 at these other NFC West teams on the Packers schedule, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.040 I'm really intrigued by both of the matchups against the 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.680 Rams and the forty Niners coming up. I think the 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.520 Aaron Rodgers versus Jimmy Garoppolo green Bayed San Francisco game 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.279 that will be at lambeau Field sometime this fall, that 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.279 might be one of the best games on the home schedule. Frankly, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.960 what Jimmy Garoppolo did coming in going five and oh 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.440 for a team that was what one and ten when 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.120 he took the starting job, Um, yeah, sorry, yeah, one 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.479 one and close enough, Yeah, close enough. But but to 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.360 go five and oh and then he earns the big 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.599 contract and whatnot, So a lot of excitement with San Francisco. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.039 I think that could be a great quarterback matchup. And 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.920 then with the Rams, you know new coach Sean McVeigh 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.240 developing rising star at quarterback, and Jared Goff, you got 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.039 Todd Gurley, you got Cooper Cup, You've got some of 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.159 these guys on defense. Now they have some questions on 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.400 defense with some pending free agents, But as you said 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.120 at the beginning, the Rams look like a team that 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.440 might be might be a contender for a while. Yeah, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.760 and it's very quietly Mike Aaron Donald the defensive Player 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.720 of the Year in two thousand and seventeen, and for 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.560 him to do it at that position in Wade Phillips defense, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.440 I mean, that says a lot about the production they 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.960 got out of him at defensive tackle. You do have 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.760 Jared Goff and then obviously Sean McVeigh has been a 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.719 really good partner for him, uh in that development of 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.080 the offense in the San Francisco forty Niners, to me 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.880 are one of the most exciting teams going into two 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.599 thousand and eighteen. It shows you how quickly the narrative 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.320 can change when you find the quarterback. I'll say this, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.520 and there's a long way to go here. Jimmy Garoppolo 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.440 now is gonna get paid really handsomely. He's gonna have 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.919 to live up to that contract. But if this works 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.839 out for the forty Niners and they found a potential 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.279 superstar here and they got him for a second round 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.960 pick in the middle of a season, John lynch Man 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.200 that might go down as one of the most savvy 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.719 moves any GM has made in the last ten years. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.359 Could end up being a tremendous steel tremendous Cleveland Browns 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.920 since all these different teams that needed quarterbacks the forty 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:14.760 went and got there's in the middle of the season. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.800 Very shrewd. Yeah, well, we've got some more opponents on 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.400 schedule to talk about. We'll get to those after the 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:41.400 breakback with more and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.360 back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, West 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.120 Hodkowits in that one in West. Continuing our discussion of 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.919 some of the Packers opponents on schedule. The other division 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.800 the Packers will be matched up against the NFC North 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.720 as a whole will be matched up against is the 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.599 a f C East. Um, so there's definitely one opponent 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.440 there we need to talk about in New York too. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.880 it's the New England Patriots obviously. Um. You know, Packers 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.680 only play these teams in the a f C once 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.280 every four years. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have gone 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.360 head to head only once in their careers because Rogers 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.360 missed the game in two thousand ten and Foxborough. So actually, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.840 this trip to Foxborough will be Rogers first regular season 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.960 appearance in that stadium. It's a match up everybody's going 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.960 to be looking forward to. We don't know exactly when 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.600 it is because the full schedule, the dates and times, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.920 everything comes out in April, but um, I'm guessing this 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.920 one's gonna be in prime time? What do you think? Yeah? 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.760 It was. I kind of alluded to this an in 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.800 Center in Box two weeks ago when people are asking 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.560 what our most exciting matchup is going to be in 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.640 two thousand and eight, and I think it's probably gonna 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.480 end up slotting right back into that Sweeps November Monday 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.040 Night football or Sunday Night football game. Again. Yeah, I'm 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.800 sure there'll be a lot of battling over who's going 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.400 to be able to broadcast that because, as you said, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.840 this has been a rivalry, a battle that we haven't 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.920 seen a whole lot. And you go back to what 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.200 that game was like in two thousand fourteen here at 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.560 lambeau Field. Uh, the energy just just how the excitement 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.320 and if you correct me if I'm wrong here, but 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.040 by believe in the Packers won that game. That was 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.320 the Patriots last loss the rest of the season, and 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.120 they went on to win the Super Bowl. Uh, last 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.040 year we got robbed from having Rogers versus Roethlisberger, which 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.240 is always a great matchup. Obviously, Super Bowl has been 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.120 contested for it, um Brady and Rogers, you don't know 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.040 how many more times you're gonna get this, depending on 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.720 how exactly this plays out. For Tom Brady, There's a 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.400 part of me too that would still love to see 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.720 this as a Super Bowl matchup. I think a lot 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.520 of people would. A lot of a lot of people 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.840 don't want to see either of these guys retire without 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.200 them going head to head in a superho be incredible. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.280 And it's almost like WrestleMania a little bit. You know. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.120 I know you're not a big wrestling fan, but you 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.960 always try to get that big matchup for the big 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.160 show of the year. That could really be special. But 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.520 first things first, being able to go, as you said, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.560 into Gilette Stadium for the first time for in Rogers, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.600 knowing how much of a student of the game he 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.480 is and how much he appreciates the league history. I'm 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.280 sure that's gonna be very meaningful for him. Yeah, and 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.040 I'll be curious what the league decides. And I'm not 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.080 trying to jinx anybody or anything, but the fact that 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.480 Rogers is coming off an injury, the fact that Tom 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.800 Brady is as old as he is, does the league 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.200 want to schedule this one earlier in the season as 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.959 the post later, because you're just taking a risk that, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.680 you know, because of Rogers and Roethlisberger. They set that 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.920 one for Thanksgiving weekends, Sunday Night football. We're talking last 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.680 spring like that's going to be one of the greatest 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.120 matchups of the year, and then it didn't happen, you know, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.520 so you just wonder, you know, exactly how the how 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.640 the league will handle that because it is such a 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.240 rare matchup, it only happens outside of a super Bowl. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.040 It would only happen once every four years, right, Yeah, precisely. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.920 And it's just it's one of those things that when 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.000 you see the way that you remember Bill Belichick, how 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.360 fus ive he wasn't his praise of Mike McCarthy in fourteen, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.200 then two coming after that, and what he said at 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.400 the the NFL owners meetings that following winter. I mean, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.440 he just really has holds Mike McCarthy in a very 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.800 high regard. And to see those two guys kind of 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.720 match what's two will be pretty neat to watch. Yeah, 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.280 the other team in the a f C East that 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.600 I want to talk about is the Buffalo Bills and 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.240 and and I want to discuss them because what I 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.240 what I mentioned in my story when I gave kind 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.000 of a quick hit rundown on all these opponents on 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.959 the schedule, is you know, are the Buffalo Hill Buffalo Hills? 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.679 Excuse me, the Buffalo Bills a one hit wonder. They 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.760 made the playoffs for the first time this century thanks 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.520 to the Andy Dalton miracle in Baltimore that that beats 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.520 the Ravens and and gets Buffalo. And we all saw 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.680 the locker room scene where they were watching it on 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.280 TV and they knew they were in the playoffs. But 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.440 this Buffalo team is one that has a lot of questions, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.280 particularly at the quarterback position. But yet it's it's a 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.280 it's a roster that's solid enough to to have made 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.440 the playoffs for the first time in a really long time. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.600 This is a really intriguing team and an important offseason 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.760 for them. The dangerous thing that you outlined there with 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.679 the Bills is that they did make the playoffs. You 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.840 cannot take that away from They didn't really do any 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.200 one thing especially well, though they struggle with the past game. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.559 Their defense was kind of middle of the road. Uh 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.560 micae Hyde had a phenomenal season for him, to give 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.760 him credit, would end up being a second team All 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.000 Pro year, but they had the trade for the receiver. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.640 It's just there was so any questions about this unit. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.120 Shady McCoy had a fine year when he was healthy. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.960 So it's gonna be really interesting to see if the 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.040 Bills can build upon this. You never want to, you 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.760 know that that was really big for them to make 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.400 the playoffs. They certainly want to end that skid. But 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.640 at the same time, we've seen it history has shown 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.920 for a first year head coach it's not always the 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.160 best thing to go in and like make the playoffs 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.400 are kind of you know, sneak in. Sometimes you just 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.160 want to take it on the chin that first year, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.680 get better and then you know, start to build from there. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.080 The Bills, I think they're gonna have the twenty one, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.760 twenty second overall pick. They need to get better. They 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.199 need to figure out if Tyrod Taylor's their quarterback, and 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.760 they also need to find more pieces for McDermott's defense. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.920 But a very big step for them to make the playoffs. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.520 The question that I have though, is whether or not 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.079 they're gonna be able to build on it. Yeah, I 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.719 would agree with that. Let's go to another break back 0:11:45.760 --> 0:12:06.400 with more on Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.719 to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, West had kuits all 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.240 the way over there. West. There's a topic kind of 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.480 left over from the super Bowl that we haven't had 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.800 a chance to address yet, sort of been on my 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.400 mental list of things. So today is the day that 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.880 we're going to talk about. And what I'm referring to 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.680 is the catch rule. We saw obviously some key replayed 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.160 decisions that were made in the Super Bowl that a 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.520 lot of people wondered, Hey, that wasn't necessarily quite the 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.160 way some things were called in the regular season. So 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.160 what's going on here? We heard Roger Goodell, the commissioner, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.280 during Super Bowl week, talk about needing to once again 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.199 sort of deconstruct the entire catch rule, you know, build 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.199 it up again from from scratch so that it's something 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.280 that everybody can can count on and understand, so it 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.400 could be a big offseason in that respect. For the 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.400 rule book, Where do you think this is going? I 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:03.120 was sitting and I believe it was Phoenix, Arizona, beautiful 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.079 sun soaked day out in the desert at the owners meetings, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.400 now almost three years ago, the last time that they 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.640 tried to clarify the catch roll coming out of the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.280 two thousand fourteen season, that does Bryant catch no catch? 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.320 And I remember Michael sitting in my seat at that 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.280 hotel hearing for the first time when the NFL unveiled 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.400 these plans that they were going to clarify this rule 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.680 and the wording that is included in it. From that moment, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.600 I was thinking to myself, there is nothing clear about this. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.959 And I think over the past three seasons, you've seen 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.960 what has happened because they didn't just deconstruct the rule 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.560 from the beginning. They tried to leave it what it 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.000 was and tried to find more ways to make it 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.880 more understandable, more more relatable. In some ways, the opposite happened. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.320 I think it failed. So I I believe this is 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.040 the right course of action. I think you got to 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.800 start back from square one. I think you have to 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.680 throw throw it out. I think you need to get 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.280 your your smartest people in the league together, coaches, personnel, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.240 competition committee, whatever it takes. I think you've got to 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.320 get them all in one room together and figure this 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.720 thing out, because I think the problem is is we've 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.920 now reached a point where common sense doesn't prevail enough anymore. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.320 And now we when we bring up the film, when 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.120 we bring up the review and and all these things, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.320 we are trying to find any reason why something might 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.840 not be a catch, rather than trying to look at 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.320 it as well, why might it actually be a catch? 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:30.880 And I think that's been the biggest issue, want to 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.280 be honest with you. As we said after Super Bowl, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:33.320 that was one of the reasons why I was so 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.920 happy with the way the Super Bowl was officiated, because 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.520 I felt like common sense prevailed. Yeah, I like what 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.520 you said. They're about about the perspective on you know, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.560 instead of always trying to find a reason for it 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.560 not to be a catch, what about looking a little 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.920 more closely at the reasons that it is a catch. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.360 I like to use the Corey Clement touchdown in the 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.400 Super Bowl, if you remember that one with the former 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.840 running back from Wisconsin. I like to use that as 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.840 an example of what I think is a is a 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.800 potential positive shift in where this is going. And what 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.720 I mean by that is we saw we've seen for 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.240 the last few years now in reviewing any kind of 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.840 a catch, if the slow motion shows that the ball 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.280 is moving, that always seems to have been equated to 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.920 a loss of control by the receiver by the ball carrier. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.480 What we saw on the Corey Clement touchdown being upheld 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.160 as a touchdown, we saw the ball moving, but they 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.280 did not say that that ball moving meant loss of control. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.720 And I think that's where common sense is starting to prevail. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.640 Just because the ball is moving does not mean that 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.160 that receiver has lost control of it. And I think 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.640 if we if we include that in part of the analysis, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.680 in part of the analysis, which I think it was 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.920 in the Super Bowl, I think we start to make 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.520 more sense. Yeah, I agree with because the game is 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.120 not played with stick hum not legally at least can 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.960 be pretty sticky. But but the thing is about it, Mike, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.800 is that they're human beings playing a game that takes 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.800 you know, unworldly ability to successfully execute. And I think 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.080 sometimes we have to realize that if we make these 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.840 rules so complicated. I'm not saying like it's fair and 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.600 not fair. I'm just saying you're trying to appeal to viewers. Right. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.880 This is the boredom killing business, right. I mean, people 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.880 are sitting at home. They want to be entertained. They 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.760 aren't entertained by watching a referee for two and a 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.000 half minutes talking to New York. So do what makes sense, 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.800 make it clear, make it concise. Inland, let's put our 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.760 best foot forward. No pun intended, because I think using 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.040 another example from that, the zach Ertz touchdown in in 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.520 you know, I feel for Chris Collinsworth. It's a tough 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.240 spot to be in. But the fact that that was 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.920 even a dialogue for as long as it was, when 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.520 it was so abundantly clear that that was a football move. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.720 He caught the ball, the ball never moved, he was 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.600 taking strides of the end zone. Okay, the ball first 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.960 touched the ground, I get that, but the ball had 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.680 already crossed the plane. So that's the part of this. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.960 It gets back to what I said originally, where I 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.760 think people are just trying to break these things down 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.200 so much it's just creating frustration, anxiety where it doesn't 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.159 need to be. But I do think there's a distinction, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.280 and this is what a lot of people are still 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.159 arguing about between the zach ERT's catching the Super Bowl 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.360 and the Jesse James won the Pittsburgh New England game. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.880 Because zach Ertz clearly he caught the ball with one 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.240 foot on the ground, he took two more steps towards 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.160 the end zone as he dove for the goal line. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.119 Jesse James was the more classic example of he was 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.240 going to the ground as he was still catching the 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.360 ball and and that that's that's a little different. It's 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.600 not like his feet were established, you know. I think 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.040 you can definitely make the argument on the Jesse James 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.800 play that there wasn't really a football move, you know. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.440 So I do think there needs to be a distinction. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.520 But again, this is where it gets complicated. You need 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.159 to write the rule in a certain way, but along 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.320 the same lines, you know, the two and a half 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.320 minute reviews, those have got to stop. I don't care 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.359 if it's a catch or a fumble or whatever the 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.119 call is that's being reviewed. They've gotta they've got to 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.480 tighten this up because because the fans at home and 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.240 the fans in the stands for that matter, are getting 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.800 a little tired. Go back to I think that's that's 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.680 the first thing they did when they implemented it league 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.440 wide back in whatever year that was. They got to 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.560 go back to that because I think that forces them 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.560 to make a decision. And if it's not clear after 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.680 ninety seconds, Michael, then the call in the field. Yeah, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.240 then you stick with the call in the field. Before 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.200 we go to a break, West, a little sponsored business. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.320 Today is a perfect day to fill up with some 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.280 new Campbell's Chunky Max soup. Chunky Max is loaded with 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.280 more meat than you can handle, a lot more. We're 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.800 talking more than a comparable chunky soup. So go on, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.399 fill up with new Campbell's Chunky Max Soup. 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And when you look 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.639 at that situation and what's going on, and we'll be 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.560 seeing more franchise tags for other players going out here, 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.000 probably over the next couple of weeks. The Packers decision 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:39.400 to extend Davante Adams before the regular season ended. When 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.399 you look at Landry and his statistics and now the 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.760 money that he would potentially be paid on this one 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.160 franchise year if he signs that tender, um, the Packers 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.040