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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddel. I'm Paul to Tino. Today

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Speaker 1: we'll hear from former Pro Bowl safety and Traill Roll

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Speaker 1: celebration of the two thousand eleven Super Bowl champions. The

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty six Giants were built on leadership, chemistry,

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Speaker 1: and discipline elements. Roll says he's glad to see current

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Speaker 1: just because you need guys, you need more points, you

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Speaker 1: need leaders. You know that the good players have gone calm,

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Speaker 1: you know the good players have already been there. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a couple of pieces missing, and

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Speaker 1: you know that's what then's every organization. But when you

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Speaker 1: have a leader that can go out there and set

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Speaker 1: And that's what everyone has to understand. Doesn't matter who

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Speaker 1: that one person is, he's no one if he's standing alone.

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Speaker 1: But if it's fifty two men standing behind him. Now

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Speaker 1: he's he's that much more powerful. You know, he's extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: He's that guy. And the reason he is that guy

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Speaker 1: because he brought the two other men up to par.

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Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about. You know. It's not

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Speaker 1: or even ten people. Know, it's about all fifty three.

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Speaker 1: It's about the coaching staff being the same page. It's

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Speaker 1: about you know, the cafeteria being the same page, you know,

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Speaker 1: cooking nutritions mill, making sure that we get the best

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Speaker 1: making sure that they're giving us the right color, making

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Speaker 1: sure that we we have all the players that we

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Speaker 1: successful on Sunday. So it takes everyone, It takes everyone

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Speaker 1: from the top to the bottom. And there's no one

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Speaker 1: when you have everyone collectively within the organization, now you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a powerful unit. And Trell, at what point

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Speaker 1: during the eleven season did you believe that that team

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Speaker 1: then you had that rough month in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the season. I remember the heartbreaking Laws to San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: there was that game in Dallas with the JPP block

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Speaker 1: field goal that kind of changed things. But but where

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Speaker 1: Because the run down the stretch and then the course

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Speaker 1: in the postseason was just incredible. To be completely honest

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Speaker 1: that I saw within our team. I saw that that

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Speaker 1: what it took, all in ment, all in all, in

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Speaker 1: I knew what it took to get the guts and

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Speaker 1: Did I want to play? Absolutely not? But did I

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Speaker 1: It's not going anywhere, you know. For me, it meants everything.

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Speaker 1: It meant, you know, sacrificing yourself. It means sacrificing your

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Speaker 1: So that's what all that meansfully, throwing in all the

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Speaker 1: So when you see your teammates at the reunion later on,

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Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of your championship team. What kind

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Speaker 1: of a player, He's that prepared, and he has that

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00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: much of that Michael Jordan's just dog mentality in him

432
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: that we needed to get to him. We needed to

433
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: rottle him, We needed to make him uncomfortable. And in

434
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: order for that to happen, it was gonna take our

435
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: front line, you know, and then everything else has the

436
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: fall in place. After that. We have to be extremely

437
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: disciplined in the secondary. You know, we can't give up

438
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: any place, you know. We we have to make him think,

439
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: which we weren't gonna have before him. Our game plan

440
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: wasn't too full tom Our game plan was just to

441
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: be as ploys and as discipline as we can be

442
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: within the line back in a secondary unit. It wasn't

443
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: a confusing because we knew that. We really he's got

444
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: a guy that you can really confuse. He's seen it all,

445
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: he's been through it all, he's done it all. So

446
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: what you can do is play better defense than they

447
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: play offense. And that was our only objective. But our

448
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: front line got after him, They made him uncomfortable, they

449
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: rattled him at times, and that was gonna be our only,

450
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: our only chance that success. And that's exactly what happened. Now.

451
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: At one point during that game, You'll remember he did

452
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: have the the sixteen consecutive completions, which did set a

453
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl record, but on the scoreboard, they could never

454
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: pull away from you. And I wonder if a trelle

455
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: that as that game was progressing, even though he started

456
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: to get a hot hand there, you guys felt as

457
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: though as long as they were in reach, you could

458
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: you could keep that game within reach, that Eli would

459
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: have a chance to pull it out. Oh yeah, without

460
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: a doubt. Listen, we knew first and fourth for almost

461
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: that we weren't gonna just completely shut Tom bring it out,

462
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, and we listen, we knew that he the guy,

463
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: is too much of the dog and they had honestly,

464
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: uh so much talent in each and every position. We

465
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: knew that we weren't going to just completely just handcuffed him.

466
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: But what we knew that we had to do was

467
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: keep the game within reach and do the best that

468
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: we can to keep them under twenty one points. You know,

469
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: that was our goal. To keep them at seventeen points

470
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: or fewer, that was our goal in the game. And

471
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: we knew that if we did that, somehow, some way,

472
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: we would be victorious. And that's exactly what we did. Um,

473
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, we we played. We didn't give up too

474
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: many of the big plays. Uh you know, we played

475
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: within our scheme and everyone was on the same page

476
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: at the same time. And uh you know, listen, special

477
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: teams offensively, defensively, that's where the team unit comes into effect.

478
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: And knowing that we need everyone in order to be

479
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: before he's I'm gonna ask you to take me through

480
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: the final couple of minutes now, because brad Shaw falls

481
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: into the end zone for the touchdown, and we all

482
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: know the story about how initially the idea was not

483
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: to go into the end zone to try to milk

484
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: more clock, but he falls into the end zone. Is

485
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: one or four to go, and now the Giants have

486
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: to try to hold on to a one to seventeen

487
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: lead and Tom Brady's getting the ball back. Uh and

488
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Trell he did convert a fourth down during that series.

489
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: But I'd love to to ask you if you could

490
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: recall what was going through your mind from the point

491
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: brad Shaw fell into the end zone to give you

492
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: the lead. Um. Well, to be honest with the only

493
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: thing was going into my mind was just you know,

494
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: get my nerves under control, because I was extremely nervous,

495
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: to the point where it felt like I couldn't stand up. Um.

496
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: We knew that this was the moment that he lives

497
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: for now. We had to be people. We had to

498
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: go out and there be dominant. My thing was to

499
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: be as physical and as anothering as I possibly can

500
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: be in the nickel position, you know, trying to uh

501
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: take wors Walker off of his game, because I knew

502
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: that that was a security blanket, our d line. They

503
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: got out to him, you know, they made him extremely

504
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and it was just our job to squat. Then

505
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: do We've been doing all games with states play within

506
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: the scheme, and more important, it's one point. We just

507
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: don't give up the big play. That was our number

508
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: one thing is not to give up the big play.

509
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: Make it very hard for him. If he's gonna win,

510
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make it hard. You don't have

511
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: to earn it any more important. He's got to go.

512
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to go out there and get it.

513
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: And we weren't going to give it up. You know,

514
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: that was our things, guys, We weren't going to give

515
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: it up. And everyone did what they wanted to do

516
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: and what we needed to do and played within the scheme.

517
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, oh game, our defense, the line

518
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: had to go at him, and that's exactly what it did.

519
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: They made him very uncomfortable, you know, very hard to

520
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: accomplish certain things. And uh, you know, we came out victorious.

521
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, we we we were still we're still strong

522
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: in the pain. So he got them to midfield and

523
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: I remember the final pass, the hail Mary pass, which

524
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: did reach the end zone and quite honestly, there were

525
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of people in the end zone and trail.

526
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: How long did it seem like that ball hung up

527
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: in the air before it finally hit the ground and

528
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: you knew that you had won the Super Bowl. Listen,

529
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: according to me, I think that ball still in there.

530
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I think it's still there. Like listening, I think it's

531
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: still there. I mean, listen. Like I said that, that

532
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: last play was probably the most noted wrecking play of

533
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: it ever had in my living your career, for the

534
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: fact that I wasn't really back there. I was up

535
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I was up close, and it just felt like, oh

536
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: my God, like he's not gonna get this, Like he's

537
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: not gonna get it. But then I also knew was

538
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: a possibility that he could, and you know, just running

539
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: that way. I remember trailing I remember trailing West. Spoker

540
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: ran down there, and I remember this and Kinney Phillips

541
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: at the end Grant jump, and I just remember seeing

542
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: them hit that ball. And I also remember seeing Gronk

543
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: come to the left side of me and the ball

544
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: going that way, and I'm like, oh my goodness. And

545
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: I just remember with the burst of speed just exploding

546
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and just running too Grounk and honestly like trying to

547
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: push the daylights out of him so he just wouldn't

548
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: catch that ball. And you know, a good thing he

549
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: just didn't catch it. But if he would have caught it,

550
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that ball was gonna come out some way, somehow, because

551
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I was right there to make sure that it was.

552
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: And you know, we we came up your troys, and

553
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: that's all we can ask for. You know, we were

554
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: super for his six chaps. Um. No one gave us

555
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a shott and hill, you know, going into the last

556
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: two games at seven and seven, but we did. We

557
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: gave ourselves that shot, and that's all we need to do.

558
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: How many times have you watched that game since that time?

559
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: If that all? I've talked to other guys who have

560
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl who have said to me they've

561
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: never actually watched a full television copy of the game. Well,

562
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: you have another guy here that's never watched I don't

563
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: think I've ever watched five minutes of that game. I

564
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I really don't know. Um, you listen, after

565
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: that game, I would just remember being so exhausted to

566
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: the point that I couldn't celebrate, being so exhausted to

567
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: the point where I was hoarse, I couldn't speak, and

568
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: just honestly after the game, going up to my room

569
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: and just falling asleep. I was exhausted. I was on

570
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: my oil light was blinking. I had nothing left. I

571
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: had nothing left to give, nothing to celebrate, nothing to

572
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: be happy about. I just knew that we won the game,

573
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: and that's all I cared about. I didn't care about

574
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: a ring, I didn't care about braging lights, I didn't

575
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: care about any of those things. I just cared about

576
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: winning the game. That's it. And I had nothing left.

577
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I honestly as austin myself to full capacity, I was done.

578
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: I was done. Well, that's a heck of a way

579
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: to spend your energy, right, I'll do it a million

580
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: times again. The reward, I'll do it a million times again. Well,

581
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume that at some point during the celebration

582
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: of the ten year anniversary, uh, you may get a

583
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: chance to watch it, or or maybe even watch part

584
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: of it. Is there any part of that game that

585
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: you're curious about that you'd like to see again. Maybe

586
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: it would be Mario mounting Ham's catch down the sideline,

587
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: or maybe it would be the pick by Blackburn. I

588
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: would love to see Mario's catch again. Um. I think

589
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: I might have seen that play a couple of times

590
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: shown for highlights and so forth, and so on. But um,

591
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: that was a play where, honestly, offensively and defensively, both

592
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: players were absolutely perfect. The throw by Eli couldn't It

593
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: couldn't have been any better. The the the concentration and

594
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: and and the feetwork and the footwork from Mario Manningham,

595
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been better. The catch couldn't have been

596
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a better catch. The defensive play from the safety, the

597
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: way he broke on the ball, it couldn't have been

598
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: a pattern break. That was just great offense being great defense.

599
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: And that's all it was. Which one of your teammates

600
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: do you think you might be the most anxious to

601
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: see at the reunion and what might you say to him?

602
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: One would be just in talk um, because I knew

603
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: he was hurting, you know, I knew he had some

604
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: some serious injuries. I knew he was hurting, and him

605
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation going to this one, and

606
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: he knew that I need him out there with me.

607
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't do it alone. I couldn't leave

608
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: the defense along. I need him with me. And he

609
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: understood where I was coming from. And I think, um,

610
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: the mix of both talking myself, it's a great you know,

611
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: captain unit. Because you know, I'm a little in a while,

612
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: so I'm a little I'm a little edgy, you know,

613
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm a little edged. So sometimes I needed somebody to

614
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: really be back in from time to time. And he

615
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: was that person. You know, he was that person to

616
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: reel me back in from time to time. You know,

617
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I you know, Tuck was a little bit country. I

618
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: was a little bit rock and roll. You know, that's

619
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: just that's just an expression. But I needed him. You know,

620
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I needed that dog on the field with me. I

621
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: needed that president. I needed that leadership president with me.

622
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: And he was that person. Like if he wasn't there,

623
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: then then there's there's no doubt. Man, that defense isn't

624
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the same. You know. But I knew he was hurt.

625
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I knew he was hurt, but I also he also

626
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: knew that I needed him here with me. I needed

627
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: him to ride with me. It wasn't gonna be dealt

628
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: without help. So you know, we got that understanding. And

629
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: then you know, just you know, probably on the offenside

630
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: of the ball eli, you know, just to tell him

631
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: thank you, um, you know, thank you for being for him,

632
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: for him being him, you know, thank him thank you

633
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: for being that relentless, gutless guy that we needed going

634
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: down to San Franz. Because I'll tell you one thing,

635
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: and I said this in the interview recently, that I

636
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: did you give me thirty one other quarterbacks and I

637
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: think that's a different game. You give me thirty one

638
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, and I think we lose that game. I think,

639
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: for some reason that Eli is the only person that

640
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: would have came out of that game and let us

641
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: the pick three. I could be biased in saying that,

642
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: but that's what I truly and that's what I honestly

643
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: believe that Eli is the only person, the only person

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