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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast wonders why there aren't more

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Speaker 1: good football movies. Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by the room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Gregg roseatal what's up boys? Hey? Anne?

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Speaker 1: Not an accurate money drop. I spend very little time

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Speaker 1: pondering NFL movies. Don't care that there aren't good ones

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Speaker 1: in a football movie. I respect that you're clarifying your

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Speaker 1: individual stance. I can't make sense of it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the most popular. I know there are good ones out there,

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Speaker 1: and I had this very conversation with Damage on the

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Speaker 1: show last month. But the fact that it's the most

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Speaker 1: popular sport in America and that you know this, we're

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Speaker 1: here's Hollywood that loves to make money and and cash

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Speaker 1: in on what people love. They can't find it. They

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Speaker 1: can't find the common ground to make some good movies. Here.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's a great one, Undefeated, which one best documentary

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Speaker 1: at the Oscars and is one of my favorite football movies. Movies.

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Speaker 1: What documentaries are one thing I'm talking about. Here's another one,

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Speaker 1: uh Gleeson, I saw this weekend. It's like unbelievably fictional character.

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Speaker 1: Steve Gleeson. Now I know, but to me, what's the difference.

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Speaker 1: It's a movie, is a movie, and it's a piece

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Speaker 1: of art. It's document and it's incredible that was planning

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Speaker 1: to while you watch that movie. There were a few

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Speaker 1: there were a few parts in that movie where I

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Speaker 1: wasn't crying. It was like it was it was like

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Speaker 1: run out of tears. I'm kind of kidding somewhat, but

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Speaker 1: it was. I don't even want to say too much

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Speaker 1: I want to party with you on the weekends. Greg.

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Speaker 1: I heard that that movie pulls at the the old

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Speaker 1: art strings. Yeah. Like I said, I almost don't even

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Speaker 1: want to say too much about it because it's a

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Speaker 1: very very it's a heavy movie, but it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not um it's not about the crying or the emotional

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Speaker 1: part of it is secondary. It's more it's not really

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Speaker 1: much of a movie about football. I really need to

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Speaker 1: plug back in on football because when you sent that text,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a movie about Jackie Gleeson. Jackie

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Speaker 1: Gleeson I'm wildly vulnerable now to any type of pop

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Speaker 1: culture that connects like the father and son dynamic. Well

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Speaker 1: that's it's a movie about father and son. It's a movie.

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Speaker 1: But once I saw the trailer, I was like talking

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Speaker 1: about a humble bragg What I'm a dad? Now I

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Speaker 1: totally get that movie. Give me a d Just keeping

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Speaker 1: a reel over here, make um welcome to the Monday

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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL podcast. Uh listen, there

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Speaker 1: are millions of people who love the show, Okay, people

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Speaker 1: that love the show more than that, way more. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so hundreds of a million downloads a month. Don't assume

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Speaker 1: we are loved by hundreds of thousands of people. Okay,

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Speaker 1: beholding to none of them, not just the people. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we want to entertain them. It's the corpos that we're

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Speaker 1: not beholding to, because why do you need to go

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Speaker 1: antagonistic with our audience a minute and a half into

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Speaker 1: Whoa breaking news? What's going on with you in the audience?

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Speaker 1: All right, that's just how we do. Yeah, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be y'all touchy feely with everybody in

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Speaker 1: your life, that's true, or anyone west keeping the world

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Speaker 1: in arms length the way since nine out of my Head, Dan,

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Speaker 1: uh Good show Today, Fun show Today. You know why,

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Speaker 1: Greg and I know you love this. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: will talk about what we learned, maybe not what we

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Speaker 1: learned the winners and losers, right, Greg, because you wrote

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Speaker 1: The NFL canceled Sunday Night's Hall of Fame game because

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Speaker 1: and this is alluding to the what Greg said earlier,

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Speaker 1: and Doug Welly replied, at least three um Shack Lawson

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Speaker 1: is going to walk in off the bus, starting Reggie

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Speaker 1: Raglan and then ADOLPHS. Washington. All three of those guys

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Speaker 1: will start right off the bus. And we're excited for

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Speaker 1: some guys with six rounds that will contribute for us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just just there's something I remember that struck

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Speaker 1: me as a little bit of an odd thing to

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Speaker 1: say day and uh, you know, the football got sure

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Speaker 1: enough strike them down with a couple of bolts of lightning.

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Speaker 1: Well from another angle, they Rex Ryan was not shy

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Speaker 1: about saying that the defense was super thin at the

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Speaker 1: end of last season that they did get. They're starting

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Speaker 1: because of their lack of depth in certain areas too.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a problem. Of course, you want your early

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Speaker 1: draft picks to play right away, but this is the

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Speaker 1: type of thing bad organizations fall into. They went into

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Speaker 1: this draft needing starters at those three positions, so they

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Speaker 1: took their starters at those three positions. A good organization

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Speaker 1: like the Bengals, for instance, it's crazy to think of

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Speaker 1: them that way. In terms of their drafting. They don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily need their first their second round picks to play

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Speaker 1: right away. Well, this is part of what I was

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Speaker 1: getting at a couple weeks ago when we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Bills, and I said, they have as low as

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Speaker 1: low of a floor as any team in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: They could implode, and I think some of the elements

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Speaker 1: are in place for them to implode. Rex Field. It

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Speaker 1: feels like rex is in a very bad spot right now.

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Speaker 1: They feel a little snake bit on Mondays should have

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Speaker 1: been one of the most positive days they've had all year.

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Speaker 1: They get Sammy Watkins back to practice, They get Marcel

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Speaker 1: Darius back to practice, who, by the way, no one

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Speaker 1: you know coming off a bad year, uh, and coming

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Speaker 1: off a foot injury. They get Kyle Williams back to practice,

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Speaker 1: their defensive leader. Okay, everything's great now. They have Courty

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Speaker 1: Glenn their left tackle as a high ankle sprain. Richie

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Speaker 1: Incognito got hurt today of practice. Not sure how serious

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Speaker 1: that is. I mean, they've just had it feels like

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad luck with Glenna, like where they're

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Speaker 1: just shelving him to the regular season. They're not even

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Speaker 1: gonna try to get him back in there. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: some more injuries, guys. Jordan Matthews, He's out a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks for the Eagles. Doug Peterson announced Monday that

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Speaker 1: the third year receiver has knee soreness. The hope is

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Speaker 1: that Matthews will be ready for the team's third preseason

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Speaker 1: game against the Cults. No structural damage for Jordan math views,

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Speaker 1: but still a thing to keep an eye on. Thomas

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Speaker 1: Rawls of the Seahawks, meanwhile, has passed his physical A

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Speaker 1: big step for Rawls, who suffered a broken leg that

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Speaker 1: ended what was turning into a major breakout season last year. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He was placed on the pup just before the start

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Speaker 1: of training camp, as he quote as he was finalizing

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Speaker 1: his recovery from that ankle. Uh. So he's been saying

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Speaker 1: he'll be ready, uh for the start of the season

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Speaker 1: for months. This was a step towards the right direction.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Julian Edelman of the New England Patriots, UH,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver wonder went minor corrective surgery on his

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Speaker 1: foot back in May. He is off the pup and

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Speaker 1: was looking very good um in some workouts. Edelman a

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Speaker 1: major piece of that offense. Greg absolutely, I mean they

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Speaker 1: haven't had many of their top receivers available during during

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Speaker 1: much of camp, But I think they don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: When you when you have Tom Brady. I'd be a

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Speaker 1: little more worried. From the Eagles Jordan matt Use, it's

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Speaker 1: so important to that receiver group because they don't have

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Speaker 1: any other receivers. Yeah, they have a sneaky, bad wide

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Speaker 1: receiver corps. When guys like uh, Chris Givens is being

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Speaker 1: talked about as a potential starter, give me a break, right,

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Speaker 1: each day there's a different you know, report about who's

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Speaker 1: likely to start on that team or who's likely to play.

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Speaker 1: We we have no idea at this point. It's not

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Speaker 1: even locked in that Nelson Agilar is gonna start. You

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Speaker 1: got Josh Huff, you got Ruben Randall. It's it's doesn't

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Speaker 1: just mean nobody's standing out. Basically, if you can't make

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Speaker 1: heads or tails every beat, writers telling you about a

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Speaker 1: different receiver that's taking over. We talked about all the

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Speaker 1: time Mark wasted on all these articles. He wrote, oh yeah, hours, boy,

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Speaker 1: that's nothing compared to all the fantasy football articles written

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Speaker 1: about Seattle Seahawks rookie running backs this year. Going to waste.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Rawls is the man in game film tells us

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Speaker 1: that he's healthy. But Kristen Michael is way ahead of

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Speaker 1: any of these rookies. Those are the top two running

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Speaker 1: backs in Seattle, and I think they're gonna be just fine.

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Speaker 1: Kristen Michael's the talk about useless and how about the

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Speaker 1: Kristin Michael's gonna leave the Cowboys and rushing post for

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Speaker 1: You can give me all the crap you want about that.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. But the light flipped on in week seventeen

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Speaker 1: and eighteen last year. We saw it on the field.

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Speaker 1: We heard their coaching staff talk about it all offseason.

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Speaker 1: This year, they're calling him the leader in the running

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Speaker 1: backs room. They call him money. I mean, he's been

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Speaker 1: their guy. Look good in weeks seventeen, look great in

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Speaker 1: Week seventeen, look good in the playoff game and week

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Speaker 1: eight teen. Isn't it a good sign that he's still

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Speaker 1: He made it through the whole offseason and he's still

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Speaker 1: with him. They brought him back a second time. There's

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Speaker 1: gotta be some element of trust there. Absolutely, he's got

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Speaker 1: to stay healthy. Rawles and and all these guys to

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Speaker 1: leave keep to leave is another one that's big to watch.

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Speaker 1: DeMarcus ware who's got a pretty serious back injuries another

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Speaker 1: Gonda watch when they get back in the field, they

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Speaker 1: still have to get back into the mix. Uh, they'll

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Speaker 1: be brought along slowly. You hope Rawles is the same player,

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Speaker 1: but I think it sounds like they have enough confidence

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Speaker 1: in Michael that it wouldn't be surprising if he gets

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Speaker 1: some run early in the year. West Over under game

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Speaker 1: Kristen Michael Touches. I would say under because Thomas Rawles

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Speaker 1: is that good. I mean, all depends on Thomas Rowless health.

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Speaker 1: Very good. Moving on, let's talk moms mom talk Now,

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Speaker 1: how does that not get a sponsor? That ship mom talk? Like?

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Speaker 1: What would be a good that's how the voiceover would

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Speaker 1: be for that. Well, maybe we'd get a female eventually.

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Speaker 1: But what's like a good mom product that we could

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Speaker 1: maybe reach out have Irish reach out to mom Jeans

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson, Johnson and john jos that's not a

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Speaker 1: real product. Johnson and Johnson would be good. Um what else? Castrol? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: feels it feels like you're going down some territory here

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Speaker 1: that would seem to be a little stereotypical. Well, Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Johnson connects with it. Anyway, here we go. Joey

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Speaker 1: Bosa's mom has something to say because her son, the

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Speaker 1: first round pick of the Chargers, UH, still is not

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Speaker 1: on the team. And this is wild. I mean, he's

550
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: still not playing. We have football Greg in a month,

551
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be playing exactly a month game today out

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Speaker 1: and Joey Bosa is still not with the Charges. In sixteen,

553
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Speaker 1: after a c b A seemed to wipe this out

554
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Speaker 1: as a possibility, a Charger's blog, the SD Bolt Report

555
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Speaker 1: A Solid Name, uncovered a Facebook post made by Bosa's mother,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Cheryl Bosa, in which he said uh. The following

557
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Speaker 1: in response to another common bashing the Chargers and offering

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Speaker 1: support to Bosa, Cheryl said, it bums me out for

559
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Speaker 1: Joey so much. I wish we pulled an Eli Manning

560
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Speaker 1: on draft day. In that west is a reference to

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Speaker 1: when Eli did not want to play for the Chargers

562
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Speaker 1: and basically forced that team's hand to trade him to

563
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Speaker 1: the Giants. Uh. Move that went down in history. Oh doll, gay,

564
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Speaker 1: it's getting ugly in San Diego. Also one of the

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Speaker 1: number one reason why to this day, I'm not an

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning fan, Oh, we don't want to go down

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Speaker 1: that road. And I'm just saying that was not a

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Speaker 1: bad operation. He basically just pulled a he pulled a

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Speaker 1: childish little tantrum. It was a team coming off one

570
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Speaker 1: bad season. It wasn't like they were an awful organization.

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Speaker 1: And I think, okay, So Joey Bosas father played football.

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Speaker 1: There's a savviness that you get from that going through

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Speaker 1: the process. It's like when you're applying for colleges and

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Speaker 1: trying to get student loans and your parents have never

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Speaker 1: been to school before. It's a different process for that

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Speaker 1: kid than it is for parents who have been in

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Speaker 1: college before. So there's a savviness that Joey Bosa gets.

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Speaker 1: But there's also a sense of entitlement that you've gotten

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Speaker 1: because your parents played. Your dad played ball, and Eli

580
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Speaker 1: Manning had the same sense of entitlement. How savvy is this, though,

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Speaker 1: that you're basically risking your entire rookie season going up

582
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Speaker 1: in flames right now over uh, you know, it's what

583
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: seems like a minor contract matter. Well one they knew

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00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: the Chargers, you know, in recent history do not bend

585
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Speaker 1: on these issues, and so if you're gonna go in

586
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Speaker 1: and make this the focal point or the sticking point

587
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Speaker 1: of a contract and getting Bosa into camp. You knew

588
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Speaker 1: this confidence coming, and it's about the organization bending and

589
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: it seems like a setup for a disaster. On the

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Speaker 1: flip side, I'm sorry. This is someone's mom sticking up

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Speaker 1: for their son, and this is maybe this is good

592
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: investigative work. But you went on our Facebook page. If

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Speaker 1: someone wants to go write news stories about what I

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Speaker 1: say on my Facebook page is not gonna go too well. Right,

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Speaker 1: she was give me a break, she was responding, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make me wonder about the threshold of what's news

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Speaker 1: or not. She was responding to there to a comment

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Speaker 1: on their Facebook page. So she's off reading, Yes, the

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Speaker 1: bolt Report dot com. She just has a reply to

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Speaker 1: a comment on that page, and I guess why. Of

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Speaker 1: course they're gonna report that. But on some level, it's

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00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: just okay, are all wives and kids social media now

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00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: fair game? No, it should's an interesting question, but it

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Speaker 1: might also be a window into their viewpoint. Absolutely. Plus,

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Speaker 1: she responded to this website to a charger's website, so

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Speaker 1: on some level, she's jumping into that knowing that that

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Speaker 1: that she's putting that out there to some charges. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's clear it's not like the two parties are happy.

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Speaker 1: They just it's like the two parties are clearly unhappy.

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Speaker 1: All the minority. This opinion in this room that's putting

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Speaker 1: some blame on Bosa is the minority. I think if

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Speaker 1: you talk to I think most people, whether they're within

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Speaker 1: the league or whatever, the angers towards the team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just will you pay his money right now?

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00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: Are you gonna pay it deferred in March? You're paying

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Speaker 1: the money anyways. It's all stupid, which is why I

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Speaker 1: play equal blame on both. It's that you just gotta

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Speaker 1: figure this out because it's not a big enough issue

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Speaker 1: to sideline this kid. That was mom talk sponsored by

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Speaker 1: Lady foot Locker. I feel like I'm in the clear there.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, right, good job. That's still a place, no comment,

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Speaker 1: feel like they gotta be downside. I don't I if anything,

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Speaker 1: Why would Lady Dan I'm talking more about like the

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Speaker 1: mall shoe retail business feels like it's been a shrinking market,

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Speaker 1: but I could be wrong on that. You know, I

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Speaker 1: disagree Greg, because if there's one article of clothing or

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Speaker 1: of some type of outerwear that I want to try on,

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Speaker 1: it's a pair of sneakers. That's why if I was

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Speaker 1: By the way, you guys can go to one the

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Speaker 1: Westfield Culver City mall. That's a nice mall. Greig doesn't

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Speaker 1: Drop it off, just walking right by Lady foot Locker,

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Speaker 1: not knowing that it's existing, coming on the podcast and

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00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: deciding that business doesn't operate anymore. That's what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, why not save the space? Put them

639
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: all Lombardi drop. I mean, here's here's a suggestion. Put

640
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: them all into one foot locker. Save some space. Why

641
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: the separation? That's enough. Finally, and I don't know how

642
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: this got the news, but veteran wide receiver Lance More

643
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: has announced his retirement. The Atlanta Falcons on Monday announced

644
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: that the veteran is retiring from the NFL after more

645
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: than a decade of action. Thirty three years old, played

646
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: for three teams over ten season, best known for some

647
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: nice seasons in Nolan's which really tease up Greg. Listen,

648
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: he's not the boss anymore, but when he wants something

649
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: to talk about something on the podcast, we're gonna tea

650
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: him up and let him get juicy. D's not getting juicy.

651
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, how dare you know you take it away?

652
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: You act like that we wouldn't mention the retirement of

653
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: a guy who caught the best, biggest and best two

654
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: point conversion play in Super Bowl history. Oh, how dare

655
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: you know? That's not respectful? Irish that had I had

656
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. I thought the NFL retired

657
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: him three years ago. Go ahead, Grenk, I'm sorry, Oh can.

658
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: I did some investigative work here and I found I

659
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: found a ted tep between Greg Rosenthal and Drew Brees

660
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: from two thousand thirteen, I believe, and he talks about

661
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Lance More tells Greg Rosenthal Moore was always an unsung hero.

662
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Lance was just a quiet guy who just made plays

663
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: and did what we asked him to do. I can

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00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: think of so many big plays he had for us

665
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: in his career. It's all rushing through my mind. Now

666
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: you enjoy coming to the work every day to be

667
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: around guys like Lance. Imagine like if the Jets ever

668
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: had playoffs success in Jericho, Contry made one of the

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00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: best plays in Super Bowl history for their first Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's how you would think of him. I know, I'm

671
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: just being It isn't that allowed? Yeah? Every show? What

672
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: is your problem? I don't have a problem, Dan was Maddie.

673
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: He wants all the bits to be his bits. Listen,

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00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: you could throw all your barbs at me. I could

675
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: take it. I'm watching you, though, Cessler. It wasn't directed

676
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: at you, I know, but you you keep on trying

677
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: to hurt my feelings tonight. I'm noticing it. You're trying

678
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: to hurt me. Why I have a smile on my

679
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: face right now. Uh, let's move on. That's what's happening

680
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: in the news. And uh, all right now listen, just

681
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: to show there's no hard feelings, Greg, even after he

682
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: took that shot at me, Sorry, which side? Is that?

683
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: Something about bits? Some nonsense? Greg wrote a anger training

684
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: camp Winners and Losers Colon Dante Fowler shines. That's the

685
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: headline if you want to go look it up over

686
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: on the dot Com. So why don't we start right

687
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: there at Jaguars camp. Oh yes, if it's August, that

688
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: means there must be optimism around the Jaguars. And this

689
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: time it's Sante Fowler, who missed all of his rookie

690
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: year with knee injury. But he is just shredding anyone

691
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: in his way right now at training camp. Well, there

692
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of optimism in Jaguars camp last year

693
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: at this time, if only because they had so many

694
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: things happened badly to them, and it seems the opposite

695
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: this time around. Donte Fowler has been dominant day after day,

696
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: to the point where the coaches had to tell them

697
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: to for him to slow down because he might hurt

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00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: someone else. That's kind of a trope by the way,

699
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: right here, That's what I'm saying. He kind of checked

700
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the trope boxes, saying, uh that he

701
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: was unblockable, Uh, that that he was embarrassing offensive linemen,

702
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: like everything you can do in a training camp, he's done.

703
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: But we've also you know, vines and other footage coming

704
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: out of the camp and there's evidence that he is

705
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: playing well. To me, this this has to be if

706
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: you're a Jaguars fan, beyond your wildest dreams, how well

707
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: he's looked in this first week of training, right, and

708
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: you backed it up. I know it's only a scrimmage,

709
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: but that's the biggest moment that you've had in camp.

710
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: He was the dominant player in that scrimmage. And the

711
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: thing I would like as a Jaguars fan, you needed

712
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Sheldon Day and Yannick And I don't

713
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: want to get the name wrong in got way, I

714
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: believe who are two rookie defensive lineman not as well

715
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: known as their first two picks, Jalen Ramsey and Miles Jack,

716
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: And they have been getting talked up as guys who

717
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: are going to make an immediate impact and are gonna

718
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: play a lot for this team, maybe be more important

719
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: to this team than than Miles Jack for instances this year.

720
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: What the sneaky other side to this is that it

721
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: puts so much pressure on Gus Bradley to get a

722
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: defensive players that have not played together before to mesh

723
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: very quickly with all the parts. If they don't have

724
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: a successful season, He's gone to me, they have such

725
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: a recipe for their defense to be way way better

726
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: and I think for the offense to take a natural

727
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: step back. Everyone thinks you can just pencil in those

728
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: sort of numbers that they put up on offense. I'm

729
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: not sure that you can do that. They were behind

730
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: They were behind them a lot of those games. Allen

731
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: Robinson's getting talked about that he's taking another step this

732
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: this year. Don't you expect Julius Thomas to have a

733
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: better season, Yes, I do. I think it's ivory is there.

734
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is is definitely a big

735
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: concern that there's no reason to believe that they're that

736
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: much better on the offensive line. There's your update on

737
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. You can't have a newcomer come in and

738
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Speaker 1: steal a show. That's true. I love that lady. Perhaps

739
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: perhaps we're not factoring that in. You know, let's hear

740
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: one more time and just you can't have a newcomer

741
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: come in and steal a show. Oh this. You got

742
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: to see the look in her eyes when she says

743
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: steal the show? Also looking good. We talked a little

744
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: bit about Terrence West last week on the podcast Greg

745
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: but reportedly the most explosive offensive player in cap Mark

746
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts, well, it's I think we did. As we

747
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: mentioned's one of two things. Either Terence West, who you

748
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: know was an extremely productive college player, has his head

749
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: on straight finally and has you know, used the offseason

750
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: to get his body in shape, which was not necessarily

751
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: These things were not the case in Cleveland, that's for sure,

752
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: and not the case in Tennessee. So he's fulfilling these expectations.

753
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: Or when you're calling him the most explosive player on

754
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: your offense, it says something also about your offense, or

755
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: it's somewhere in the middle. I think if you look

756
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: beyond the explosive player comment. We've been doing this long

757
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: enough to kind of get a sense of when every

758
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: offensive coach and the head coach, and teammates and beat writers,

759
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: every single persons unanimously is saying this is a different player.

760
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: And that's the case with Terence West this year that

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00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: every person associated with the Rave, basically all of his

762
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: hard worked this offseason is paying offering this mark is

763
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: a textbook you for years. You're the guy that fears

764
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: guys leaving the Browns and becoming stars. This is kind

765
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: of the worst case scenario, right if the guy leaves

766
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the brown under performs goes to the Ravens and become

767
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: that's a bad situation. Yeah, it's I think it's the

768
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: narrative is very ugly because what it says, and it's again,

769
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: they change coaching staffs in Cleveland so often that it's

770
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: not even about this coaching staff, but that older coaching

771
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: staff had a lot of draft picks and young players

772
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: that completely flatlined, bottomed out, and it it went from

773
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: physically not becoming a better player to becoming off the

774
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: field stuff. So it tells you how chaotic that coaching

775
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: staff and that front office wasn't, how poor of a

776
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: job they did teaching compared to the very consistent Ravens.

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00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: They need players to step up, though, I mean Perriman

778
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: and Smith they're still out with injury. Who knows when

779
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: they'll be back. They had a million tight ends and

780
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: suddenly Pitt h Gilmore and Max Williams are all hurt.

781
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not really serious in reads, but it just

782
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: reminds you that that this team is not great on

783
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: offense right now. One of one point about the Browns

784
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: that Marks mentioned, we've throughout history you can see this

785
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: bad organizations, do you often they get made fun of

786
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: for being poor drafters, for not coaching well, for not

787
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: having good quarterbacks. Not being able to to develop young

788
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: talent is usually the number one sign of a bad organization. UH,

789
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: moving on, you know this is this is an eyebrow

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Speaker 1: raising quote, UM Chris Westling from Dolphins camp. Their offensive

791
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: coordinator Clyde Christensen. UH does not want a running back

792
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Speaker 1: by committee. We don't want to substitute. Christiansen told reporters

793
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: via the Miami Herald, we really need one guy to

794
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: be a three down back staying there for that drive

795
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Speaker 1: and that that was odd to me because I would

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Speaker 1: think of any team right now that I would be

797
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: confident that they would probably be looking for some type

798
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: of committee approach, it would be Miami. And yet that's

799
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Speaker 1: what not with the O C saying it is interesting

800
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: and Arian Foster has the three down skill set, we

801
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: know that, but does he have the three down durability

802
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: at this stage in his career? I don't. I don't

803
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: know about that. And what do you do with the

804
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: information that j G I he is number one on

805
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the depth chart right now? Well, these depth charts are weird.

806
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: The pr staffs put from team to team, they don't

807
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: mean the same thing. Yeah, and and it's the first

808
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: week and it just seems like Foster has made a

809
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: big impression. But the thing that stuck out to me

810
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Speaker 1: from the Dolphins over the weekend is they had a

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Speaker 1: team scrimmage and they had eight offensive series and they

812
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: gained one first down in those eight offensive series. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is something that's going to drive your coach crazy.

814
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Speaker 1: And that's I'm not totally and that's only not only

815
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: one practice, but then if you if you read all

816
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the practice sports, he said that Miami defensive line has

817
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: destroyed the Miami offense all camp. I don't know if

818
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: that's good or bad. You could be excited about your

819
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: defense or or worried about when you're playing yourself. There's

820
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: always a positive and negative to these things. Bad news

821
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Speaker 1: or j Cutler optimists. They're starting center. The Chicago Bear

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00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: starting center who I know this name, Ronnes grass Uh

823
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: suffered a torn a c L. He's out for the season.

824
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: Not a lot of line depth, especially up the middle

825
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: UH for the Bears, so you gotta be careful with that,

826
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Speaker 1: Greg Kevin White. Also the early reports little raw Uh

827
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Eddie Royal has been out of practice. Zach Miller has

828
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: been out of practice house. Jeffrey has been in and

829
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: out of practice. It does a weird it's a weird team.

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00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: They got plenty of time all these injuries. You have

831
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: plenty of time, but you have a downgraded offensive coordinator

832
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: and you really need White to be a difference maker.

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Speaker 1: The number one question I've had about this team all

834
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: off season is the offensive line, right, and they have

835
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: a body shuffling all over the people. Who how's it

836
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna shake out here? And they a lot of people

837
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: that are around that team were shocked that they got

838
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: rid of Matt Slawson and now they could really use

839
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: someone there. I feel like center for the Chargers. That's right.

840
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: We shouldn't even just do my winners and losers. I

841
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: bet these guys got some winners and losers. Hey, guys,

842
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: pipe in you? Well, what's the lead here? Greg? Who

843
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: did you put in your lead? Well, that's right, the

844
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: Browns made the lead. You were excited the first time ever, ever,

845
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: literally since this column has been written by Greg a,

846
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland players feature in the winner's column up top. That's

847
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: probably not true, but we don't need to belabor this.

848
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Speaker 1: But Corey Coleman, who absolutely ripped apart Cleveland Secondary, and

849
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: it is Cleveland Secondary, so potential asterix there looks like

850
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: what we just for saying Cleveland could not do, could

851
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: not develop young players, could not draft playmakers. And I

852
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: think Corey Coleman is going to be a star. He's

853
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a big one. Uh speaking the first time ever,

854
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: this might be the first time ever that I've been

855
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: impressed by a Brown skill position player in thirty five years.

856
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: Have been famed already five years. Alright, aw you skip

857
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: the eighties? Alright? Was good? What about looks like the

858
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: real deal? Excited? What about Ruben Drones? What about Josh Gordon?

859
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: I hear you though, you know what, it's been that

860
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: long because honestly, Tony Grossie, who he's been with the

861
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: team since I was like in sixth grade, is people

862
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: don't like this, but he's negative tilted towards Cleveland because

863
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: they deserve it. And he used words he would probably say,

864
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: he's just honest, and he's being honest. He's being honest

865
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: and he's seen, he sees stuff with the people and seen.

866
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: He was describing Corey Coleman with words that I've never

867
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: heard him use for any player since the team has

868
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: returned to at least you. If you're used in the

869
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: same sentence with Steve Smith, you have my attention. I

870
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: I like everything about the Brown's offense except for their quarterback.

871
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: That's the only problem here. Well, he was throwing the passes.

872
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear you, I hear you, but but

873
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's he threw some bombs out there.

874
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: I was surprised that Terrell Prior. I know, we kind

875
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: of joke about how he's this is not a real story,

876
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: but at this point he is probably he is a

877
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: starter at a position he just picked up a year ago,

878
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I mean that he he is gonna

879
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: be in their top three rotation. Maybe that's not good

880
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: for Cleveland. Maybe it'll fade fade Browns receivers. Can you

881
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: name well, I have four rook Higgins, right, not a

882
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: lot of not a lot of a lot of what's

883
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: real prior to make the Packers No, So, I mean, yeah,

884
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: grain assault, but he but he had he had a moment,

885
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: if nothing else, will have a moment where he had

886
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: a seventy five yard touchdown back in Ohio Stadium with

887
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: the Columbus fans and he's doing the whole Ohio State thing,

888
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: and who knows moment, it's more than you would it's

889
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: more than you would expect that he'd be out there

890
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: week one, probably as a starter. It looks like now

891
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: I would not have expected that I brought up the

892
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Packers because it was some ridiculous offseason podcast we did

893
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: where I think we were like picking guys that would

894
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: shock people or something. I said Jeff Janie would be

895
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: um a big contributor, And now there's whispers out there

896
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: that he might not make the team. Is that a possibility?

897
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: After all the all he did in that playoff game.

898
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: He was listed as a third team receiver on the

899
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: team's initial depth chart, behind Jard Aberdaris. A day rarely

900
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: goes by without a report noting janie Is difficulty in camp,

901
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: says Greg Roseatal and his right up. Uh we I

902
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: guess we've heard that he struggles in this aspect of

903
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: the game. But God made some plays. He made some

904
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: season saving plays. That doesn't get you a roster spot. Also,

905
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: he has four catches over the last two regular seasons,

906
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: two of the biggest ones they get that happens in

907
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Though, Yeah, it feels like we've gone from

908
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: one extreme to the other on this. Common sense tells

909
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: me he's going to make the team because he's one

910
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: of their core special teamers and very good at it,

911
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: and he has too much potential to lose. So he's

912
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: probably not going to be in the wide receiver rotation,

913
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: but he's probably going to be on the team and

914
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: he'll have a chance that One comment that did make

915
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: sense was, you know, missing last night hurt him because

916
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: he seems like, you know, quote unquote gamer like. He

917
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: apparently he does not practice too well. Uh well, someone

918
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: was speculating that they I don't know, but it's a

919
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: terrible way to put it. But a guy with a

920
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: lot of athleticism that maybe isn't as sharp in terms

921
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: of being on the same page with the quarterbacks and

922
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: making it every all the right reads like those guys

923
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: sometimes do better in games than they do in absolute time.

924
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: Montgomery hasn't been able to get back on the field

925
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: for them. They've been really high on him, but that

926
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: was a microfractuo ankle surgery. I mean, one thing with

927
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Janice that you hear popping up over and over is

928
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Rogers has to walk over and correct him on this

929
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: or that. And then is there trust. I mean with

930
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, it seems over and over that he favors

931
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the players on the field, of the players that he

932
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: absolutely trust. That last year that was the issue. He

933
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: couldn't trust his receivers to be in point X, Y

934
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: or Z, and he's not able to do with the

935
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: ball what he could previous years. If Janice can't develop

936
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: that over the next month, he's a special teamer. How

937
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: are you gonna throw a back shoulder to a guy

938
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: who doesn't know where he's I mean, that might be

939
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the thing that the best quarterbacks of the last ten

940
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: years have been common more than anything. I mean, look

941
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: at the guys who Tom Brady loves are the people.

942
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: The advantage that Tom Brady and Peyton Manny and are

943
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: have are how they see the defenses. And if they

944
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: can't find a receiver who sees it like them, then

945
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: it's like they're useless to Every NFL receiver has to

946
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: run option option routes, and that's something we don't talk

947
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: about a lot, but quarterback and receiver have to be

948
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: reading the defense in the same way, and I don't

949
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: think Jeff Janis is reading in the same way. Aaron

950
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers and I got all your tweets, um Patriots fans

951
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was twenty seven thousand for twenty seven

952
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: thousand and a in a scrimmage. I don't care because

953
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: more like Tom Brady because he's getting old. Yeah, you're

954
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: sticking with think he's getting Yeah. You hear what Devin

955
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: mccordy said about him the other day. I didn't what

956
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: did you say? Called him Benjamin Button? But he's not.

957
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's a that's a fake thing. Benjam

958
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: Button is not real. When you get old, started to

959
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: get crappier and crappier, and then you disappear. Mark my words.

960
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: What's the date so you can pull this clip? Mark

961
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: man wars. At some point Tom Brady will decline, he

962
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: will two. It's eight eight, two thousand sixteen. That's the date.

963
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher Day, Yeah, I thought it was. People are

964
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: bringing that kind of goes either way. This is Jason

965
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Garrett Day. If you're a Broncos fan, how is it

966
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: too early to well? How concerned are you about the

967
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that Mark Sanchez is not that this whole Trevor

968
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: Simeon might start Week one. Thing has gone from like Okay,

969
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: that's just something coaches are saying. That's an obo scene

970
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: story to I think this is a legitimate possibility. This

971
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: could be happening. If you're a Bronchos fan, didn't you

972
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: just watch the two thousand fifteen season and know that

973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks were an issue already all three and a

974
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on that defense though they need to

975
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: be just as good. What if? Now you can laugh

976
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: if you want. What if? Right, and Trevor Simeon is

977
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: actually much better than his college status would indicate. People

978
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: laughed about Russell Wilson. People laugh at a lot of thing.

979
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: Carol started to throw his name into the mix a

980
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: few years back, and look what happened. Then, Well, here's

981
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: the thing. If if it's a tie you have, you

982
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: just go with Trevor Simeon. I mean, if he's equal

983
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: to Mark Sanchez, which is people are saying he's been

984
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: equal or maybe a little bit better so far in camp.

985
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: It's like, you go with him because he's got a

986
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: chance to improve. He's it's been in the yea, yeah,

987
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: he's been in the system for two years. Doesn't it

988
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: tell you as much neck up as it does anything

989
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: else that they're saying Simeon's just picking everything up quicker

990
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: than Nanches, which is that shocking? Well, kobiaks quote over

991
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: the one quote over the weekend is I'm really working

992
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: with Mark on you know late in the down when

993
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: things kind of collapse, that's you know, he's running around,

994
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of when his decision making isn't so great.

995
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: And I and I'm thinking, like, yeah, you think that's

996
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to get rid of, Like that's been

997
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 1: his that's the thing seven years in and he will

998
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: if Mark Sanchez will never forgive himself if he does

999
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: not take advantage of this opportunity. You gotta win this job, Mark,

1000
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: It's the best team you'll ever play on, aren't. I mean,

1001
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: as an unbiased observer, I'm rooting for either Lynch or Simmon.

1002
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: I've already seen the Mark Sanchez show. We're gonna see

1003
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: Lynch for a big chunk of the season, if not

1004
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: well more than half, maybe even three quarters cut that

1005
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: as well. Alright, alright, that's it for Monday's edition of

1006
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: the show. Mark. I'm sorry that I annoyed you so much.

1007
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't quite get where you're coming from. I'm I

1008
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: found you were delightful today. You did a good job hosting,

1009
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: very professional. Just a couple of shots, I was, honestly,

1010
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: that's all you notice. I don't way in here? Why

1011
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: am I? What's going on here between you and any buddy?

1012
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: I think that Mark is a saint and leave him alone.

1013
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: That's why you go, That's why you go to the

1014
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: kissing kind. I went where I needed to go, delivered. Yeah,

1015
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: you wanted someone to stir it up more, you would

1016
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: have gone to me, yeah, corner. I think West did

1017
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: a good job summing up reality right there versus skewed reality.

1018
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: I read on a blog over the weekend that Mark's

1019
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: analysis usually hits the nail on the head. Why in

1020
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: that case, West is did do you have anything else?

1021
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: What blog? Is this any other fluffing that's necessary for

1022
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Jungle Blog, which wrote about our uh Andy Dalton discussion.

1023
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: H Well, they spent about eighteen paragraphs loudy in West

1024
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: and then like one quote for me, they're like Cessler

1025
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head, as it's the only

1026
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: line I remember from that article, very accurate the rest

1027
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: of it and needed some editing. They quoted Gregg's analysis

1028
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: in there too. They did not quote any of Dan's analysis.

1029
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, is the fluffing done? That was like Ego

1030
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: stroked enough about this blog post building site, and that

1031
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: was less of a fluffing and more of a shot

1032
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: at you and right right right right past you, you know,

1033
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: because I was talking. No, it didn't go past me.

1034
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: But you know, once Mark went to West for you

1035
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: know support, we're gonna We're definitely gonna get late night

1036
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: text from Dan tonight talking about this party. Comes to

1037
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: the kissing cousins at it again. I was so thrilled

1038
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: at that moment that I'm thinking about having when of

1039
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: Eli's friends write a song about it. Uh, it doesn't

1040
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: always work. You got to be the right personality. Al Right, guys,

1041
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's wrap things up. Get ugly. Yeah. Uh,

1042
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Wednesday with another edition of the show.

1043
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: I will not be texting any of you tonight. You'll

1044
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: be out of my mind the second I walk out

1045
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: of this office. Uh. We'll be back on Wednesday with

1046
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: another show season ahead. Unfortunately, no, uh no, no rap

1047
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: stars will be in the studio, but we'll well, we

1048
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: will talk about oh the NFL news, Uh, that's bit

1049
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: to print, and then something has that been used by anyone? No,

1050
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: that's here, all the news that's been to prints all

1051
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: you okay, good until then, this is Dan hands Is

1052
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: signing on for Mark Sesler, Chris Westley okay, and the

1053
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: Irish are behind the glass and this is Dan Handsas. Yeah, baby,

1054
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: So Wednesday, get your Dan hands Is, Get your Dan

1055
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: hands Is Handsas is the man's best. Ready you'll be

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Speaker 1: Now listen to the sounds from around the league.