WEBVTT - Typewriters: Mechanical Brilliance

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>an old school Stuff you should Know episode. Yeah, old school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like a robust, jam packed um overlooked unsung

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<v Speaker 1>item episode and those are often really good. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>bet we got a mechanical engineering suite in there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet too. For sure. We'll have to cobble it

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<v Speaker 1>together someday and be like, look what we did, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>But we want to talk about something else real quick first, right, yeah, man? So, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we recently did a hang out for our friends co

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of times. They helped kids stay in school in

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<v Speaker 1>about cod. Our first our two part Guatemala episode was

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with them for their Fall f S, a fundraiser,

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<v Speaker 1>have donated how much I think we are And this

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<v Speaker 1>is our good friend Ann at co Ed who invited

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<v Speaker 1>us initially, has done the math and redone the math.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that we reached the numbers. Things that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>do is redo the math several times. And At says

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<v Speaker 1>both realized that a hundred grand is a tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 1>we figured out that if we divided it up among

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<v Speaker 1>a nominal amount, we could reach that goal. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So you did the math. I'm gonna let you stand

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<v Speaker 1>behind it. Oh man, I was hoping you'd stand in

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<v Speaker 1>front of that. So if twenty thousand stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know listeners, and we're told there are that many out there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>each chip in five dollars will reach that goal, no problem. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what ten thousand stuff listeners chip in ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>ten dollars and then, um, I believe if eight thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and nine listeners contribute eleven dollars and fifty cents,

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<v Speaker 1>we will hit that goal as well. Right, so you

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<v Speaker 1>get the point. It doesn't take much when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great people banded together. Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday time and know that, you know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>money crunching time. But if you could throw five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>their way and we could all like work our way

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<v Speaker 1>towards that million before the end of the year, that

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<v Speaker 1>would really be a big, big, huge deal. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be really cool. And believe us, we'll both be chipping

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<v Speaker 1>in as well as like we're asking you to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>We would go and we're gonna make Jerry chip into

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right, And I'm gonna chip in more than

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars. Oh yeah, I'm gonna chip in that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do that thing where h when you split

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<v Speaker 1>the tab at a restaurant, we try and see what

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<v Speaker 1>the other person tipped so one of us doesn't look cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. So they actually set up a specific u

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<v Speaker 1>r L for us, right, that's right. It is Cooperative

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<v Speaker 1>for fo R Education dot org slash s y s k.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very easy, yep. And you just go on the

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<v Speaker 1>donation processes quick and painless, and you will be helping

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<v Speaker 1>kids break the cycle of poverty in Guatemala and a

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<v Speaker 1>really good about things. That's right. I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that our contributions count as stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>army Well, yeah, I would, I would hoping and would

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<v Speaker 1>make sure of that. I mean, we're part of the

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<v Speaker 1>army still, even though we're you know, the motorway commandants

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I guess that's a pretty European. I always

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<v Speaker 1>picture ourselves on the ship. We're admirals. I like, colonel,

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<v Speaker 1>you could be admiral. I'm gonna be colonel. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a colonel, I'm just going to be a private. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>come on anyway, and count our donations if you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that, because we're part of the army, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone including us, who goes to Cooperative for Education

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<v Speaker 1>dot org slash s ysk, their donation will automatically be

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<v Speaker 1>counted towards the total for sure. Okay, so go forth, everybody. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Thanksgiving time. The holiday season is starting to kick off.

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<v Speaker 1>Good cheer and good vibes and glad tidings are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to fill all of our hearts and hopefully that will

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<v Speaker 1>culminate in us each donating five bucks. That's right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we talk typewriters. Yeah, let's let's I think that

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<v Speaker 1>went really well. Choked. I think it went well, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>So big shout out to our buddy Dave Ruse, who

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<v Speaker 1>I bet will also contribute because he's also a listener

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a writer for us. Well, he listens

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<v Speaker 1>to the ones that he helps us write. It's true,

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect the same thing. So, um he helped us

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<v Speaker 1>out with this one on typewriters, and um, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things, like I said it was, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those overlooked and unsung items that really

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<v Speaker 1>had like a lot of effect on the world, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that I feel like scholarship into the impact

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<v Speaker 1>that that typewriters had on society kind of ends with um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ushering feminism into the workplace, or at the

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<v Speaker 1>very least women into the workplace. We'll talk a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about that later, but I think I had even more effects, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you stop and think about it, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>would we have the computer today if we hadn't invented

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<v Speaker 1>the typewriter in the middle of the nineteenth century, or

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<v Speaker 1>if we did, what would it look like if we

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't had the typewriter first? Um, you know did because

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<v Speaker 1>it allowed for a lot more smoothness in the business office.

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<v Speaker 1>It allowed for like systematic management, I think, So is

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<v Speaker 1>it responsible for the creation of the paperwork we're all

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<v Speaker 1>drowning in at all times? I have questions about this

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<v Speaker 1>and no one's answered them yet, So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>throw those questions out and just let them kind of

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<v Speaker 1>jael over the whole episode. Would we have all the

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<v Speaker 1>great works of literature that we have since the invention

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<v Speaker 1>of the typewriter? People were certainly writing before the typewriter,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as there was a feather and some ink around, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they would use the old quill. But the typewriter certainly, um,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of open things up, not the very least things

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<v Speaker 1>like self publishing and and getting your own creative ideas

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<v Speaker 1>out to the world in an easier fashion. So creatively,

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<v Speaker 1>the typewriter was a game changer. That's an excellent point,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Mark Twain, Right, he was vive and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great this may be the fact of the show. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>His book in eight two, Life on the Mississippi, was

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<v Speaker 1>the very first typewritten manuscript ever submitted, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>anyone knows. Yeah. Uh, and apparently he hand wrote it

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<v Speaker 1>and then had his assistant or secretary transcribe it onto

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<v Speaker 1>into a typewriter. Yeah. I mean that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>things went for a while, exactly. Yeah. But um, the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing about typewriting too, I think some of those

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<v Speaker 1>early writers were like, well, wait a minute, does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean we're just supposed to dictate our books? And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how I feel about that. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>finally figured out, like, oh, we can actually do the

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<v Speaker 1>typing ourselves. And I think that's when it really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of opened up for literature, like you were saying, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But that also went the other way later with memoirs,

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<v Speaker 1>with people like Keith Richards would say, you mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>can just say things out loud and it'll be a book. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>does seventeen pages that are just the letter L seventeen hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>More like? Is is Uh, autobiography is very long and great,

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<v Speaker 1>so um. One of the other things about the typewriter

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<v Speaker 1>two is it wasn't around for that long for as

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<v Speaker 1>much of an effect as it did have on society.

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<v Speaker 1>It was invented in eighteen sixty eight, the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we recognized as a modern typewriter, and then by

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties it was certainly on its way out. And

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<v Speaker 1>it died really quickly because yeah, and the technology, because

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<v Speaker 1>the technology that we invented took off really quickly. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all based on the typewriter. There were improvements

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<v Speaker 1>to the typewriter that eventually led to the PC. That's right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have a deep, deep love of mechanical machines.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have an old typewriter and I've had it

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<v Speaker 1>since college. I think my mom got it for me

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas one year, got me an old Royal antique

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<v Speaker 1>typewriter just to display. And I have moved that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll post a picture of it. It's still on my

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<v Speaker 1>shelf in my office upstairs. I've moved it everywhere for

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<v Speaker 1>the past, you know, thirty five years, and I still well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, throw a piece of paper in that thing

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<v Speaker 1>every now. And then and type on it and realized

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<v Speaker 1>that the ribbon is dry. You're like, all work and

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<v Speaker 1>no play make Jack a dull boy. But we are

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<v Speaker 1>the generation, and and me even a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>than you because I'm a few years older of uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we talked about Gen X being the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest generation because we saw such transitions in technology, but

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<v Speaker 1>the typewriter was certainly one of them. Like I typed

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<v Speaker 1>in my typing class in high school on a on

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<v Speaker 1>an IBM Selectric, which we'll talk about one of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest machines ever invented. And then just a few years

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<v Speaker 1>later when I jumped into college, I had one of

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<v Speaker 1>those over the expensive word processors. Yeah, we had one too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was thinking. I was trying to remember what

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<v Speaker 1>brand it was, and I could remember either. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a Brother And then I stopped and thought

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<v Speaker 1>a little more about it. I'm sure it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Sears and Roebuck word processor. Not. I know mine was used,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that. Yeah, but those things were really amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you could take the time to stop and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to use it. That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great things about typewriters is people have been using

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<v Speaker 1>them for so long that when you first learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, there were so many people out there

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<v Speaker 1>who could tell you how to do it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>easy to pick up. Word processors made it difficult, but

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<v Speaker 1>I pods that that they were a necessary transition from

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<v Speaker 1>typewriters to PCs. It got people thinking in a digital way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, yeah, just to see it on that

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little screen, it felt like it was like two

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<v Speaker 1>inches by three inches maybe, Yeah, that was a game changer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about that later, but let's just do

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<v Speaker 1>like a quick overview of how to use a typewriter

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<v Speaker 1>for the chilling's yeah, like the parts and pieces parts. Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so a manual typewriter, and that's what we're gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>anything that isn't electric or electronic, uh anything pre those days.

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<v Speaker 1>What you do, kids, is you get a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>white paper and you feed it into this machine, this

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical machine by rotating a rubber cylinder that's called a platon,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you roll it till let's lined up

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<v Speaker 1>to where you basically want to start typing. And even

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<v Speaker 1>that when you first start typing is a little bit weird,

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<v Speaker 1>like you might start typing too high and you realize

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta roll it up a little bit more to

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<v Speaker 1>get that what do you call that the not the margin? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the margin, the border, I call it a order. The header, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the header, which is like whatever you want to set

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<v Speaker 1>an inch inch and a half. So you line up

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<v Speaker 1>that paper where you want to start typing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you start typing by pressing down on a key. And

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<v Speaker 1>Dave even says press hard in parentheses because you got

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<v Speaker 1>to give it a little bit of a strike, much

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<v Speaker 1>more than you do, even though you have abused laptops

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<v Speaker 1>in your time. I always said you sound like Thelonious

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<v Speaker 1>Monk over there on the type on the computer, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine hearing on a typewriter. Yeah. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>you have to press hard though, because we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>manual typewriters. There's no electricity involved. You can take it anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like that's what your royal is, right, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So um, when you're pressing on that key, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>causing that lever to shoot up. And attached to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the level is what's called the type bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is basically a little mini type bar like

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<v Speaker 1>you find in a printing press. And typically, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the top is lower case and the bottom is

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<v Speaker 1>upper case. And when that type bar hits the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on whether you're on lower higher case, UM, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it smacks the paper and it goes through the ink ribbon,

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<v Speaker 1>which shoots up all of a sudden out of nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>like a whack a mole and gets in between the

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<v Speaker 1>type bar and the paper. So the type bar actually

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<v Speaker 1>strikes and leaves an impression through the ink ribbon onto

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<v Speaker 1>the paper. And that's how you type a nice, inky letter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And I know we sound like we're being

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<v Speaker 1>like we're coddling, but I'm really not when I say this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've never used one, you never really looked at

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<v Speaker 1>one much. Um. It's like a little stamp on the

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<v Speaker 1>end of a of a metal lever, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>it just stamps the letters on one at a time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean that's pretty much it. The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>is and this is like a really ingenious part of

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<v Speaker 1>the typewriter from way back. When you type a letter,

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<v Speaker 1>that the carriage, which is the whole assembly that holds

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<v Speaker 1>the platin um, it moves to the left one space

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<v Speaker 1>so that you are now about to type your next

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<v Speaker 1>letter to the right of the last letter that you

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<v Speaker 1>just typed, so that you're not typing your entire manuscript

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<v Speaker 1>in one single space. It seems really easy to overlook,

0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.280
<v Speaker 1>but it's a really important part. And then eventually you

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<v Speaker 1>get to an end. At the end of the carriage,

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<v Speaker 1>it reaches all the way to the left. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>seems so wildly out of proportion that the typewriter will

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<v Speaker 1>surely tip over at any second. And then the little

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<v Speaker 1>bell goes thing and you hit a lever and the

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<v Speaker 1>thing slides back to the right fastest, bobs your uncle,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you start typing the next line because it

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<v Speaker 1>raised up once ace or two spaces, depending on whether

0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you're typing single space or double space. That's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>you think, is there a small troll in there that

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<v Speaker 1>is hitting a bell. No, that's it's all mechanical. It's

0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.960
<v Speaker 1>wonderful that carriage return and you have your margin set

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<v Speaker 1>so it knows when to ding uh, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a wonder of mechanical engineering. I love a typewriter.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of like if you only just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of see the outside and you're looking at the type

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<v Speaker 1>bar that in it of itself is kind of cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you open that thing up and really look

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<v Speaker 1>at the mechanics behind it, it's just awesome. I love typewriters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very cool. And also one of the other

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<v Speaker 1>things that's neat about it. When you look over the typewriter,

0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you see that all of the type bars, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the um, the alphabet and the numbers are looking back

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<v Speaker 1>up at you and like a semicircle, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>just shoot up from their spot hey hey, hey, depending

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.720
<v Speaker 1>on what um what letter you're typing, but they always

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<v Speaker 1>hit that same part, which is exactly where the carriage

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<v Speaker 1>wants them to hit on the plan. So that's a typewriter.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say, chuck um that we take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and then come back and talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>history behind it. Let's do it. So before we go on,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to say that as a rite of

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<v Speaker 1>passage for any child, I went and when my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit younger, she probably still does it.

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<v Speaker 1>For all I know, I would go into my office

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<v Speaker 1>and see my typewriter type bars all tangled together, because

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<v Speaker 1>the write of passage for any kid when they see

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<v Speaker 1>emmanual typewriters just to smash all those keys at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, and they get into a little tangled mess,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get to that has a lot to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the eventual keyboard design. But yeah, just to throw

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<v Speaker 1>that out there. Yeah, but that was a real problem,

0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and they turned into like a little rats nest, right,

0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.040
<v Speaker 1>little rats nests, So fingers of the thinkers of a

0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.720
<v Speaker 1>little rat. Yes, And that was a problem that was

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<v Speaker 1>faced by one Christopher Latham Shoals, who is widely considered

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<v Speaker 1>to be the inventor of the typewriter, although as we'll see,

0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.840
<v Speaker 1>he didn't work completely alone, but he and a pal

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<v Speaker 1>of his um created the patent for the typewriter in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty eight. There were the first people to get

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<v Speaker 1>a patent for the first typewriter, but at least fifty

0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 1>people gave it a try before Shoals, uh perfected it,

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<v Speaker 1>or I shouldn't say perfected, it came the closest to

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<v Speaker 1>perfecting it the first time. How about that? Yeah, because

0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you know day points out they you know, the printing

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<v Speaker 1>press was invented in what the fourteen something fifteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took a couple of hundred years, but then

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<v Speaker 1>for about a hundred years people tried to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a typewriter of some sort. The first sort of working

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<v Speaker 1>typewriter may have been this guy named Giuseppe Pellegrin no

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<v Speaker 1>Touri Uh. He was obviously an Italian guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an inventor, and in eighteen o eight he made a

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<v Speaker 1>device for Uh. Either was Frinder's girlfriend, the Countess Carolina Fantoni.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wow, that's quite and a beautiful name. It's very

0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>beautiful name. And this is a cool story because she

0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.720
<v Speaker 1>had lost her sight. So the invention was so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>typing is something that you can do withoutside. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole goal, is to learn to type without

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<v Speaker 1>looking right. Um. So there's an alternate story that her

0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:44.560
<v Speaker 1>brother Augustino actually invented it for her and Tourie improved it.

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.320
<v Speaker 1>But the upshot of it is whoever created this machine? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't exist any longer, it doesn't survive, But some

0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of her typed um letters did from eighteen oh, all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back in eighteen o eight, undisputed first type

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.560
<v Speaker 1>letters were for Italy back then, that's right. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there are another couple of guys who tried their

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<v Speaker 1>hand at it. Uh. Just shout them out, because we

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>always like to shout out detroitter's. A guy named William

0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Austin Burt in the early eighteen hundreds invented a typographer,

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<v Speaker 1>uh clunky, didn't work very well. And then another pre

0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.000
<v Speaker 1>typewriter was built. It was called the Hansen Riding Ball.

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.639
<v Speaker 1>And this one is kind of interesting, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>used electromagnetic energies and electromagnetic battery to actually power this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it didn't work very well, but it was way

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of its time. Actually, I saw that it did

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<v Speaker 1>work really well. Um that well for manufacturing though, I think, okay,

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.480
<v Speaker 1>right true. And the the arrangement of the keys, it

0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.119
<v Speaker 1>was like a pincushion, so you held both hands together

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<v Speaker 1>like you were alien for Pete's sake typing. But the

0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>thing would work really well. It would respond as fast

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.320
<v Speaker 1>as you typed um in part because of those electro magnets.

0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.480
<v Speaker 1>And he also spread the vowels to the left and

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<v Speaker 1>the contint to the right, which made typing even faster.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw it also automatically advanced the paper too,

0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.240
<v Speaker 1>so it didn't really resemble our earliest typewriters are our typewriters,

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was its own kind of neat thing that

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't take off. Everybody's like, what's this pink Christian thing?

0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.919
<v Speaker 1>This is not right. It's a kind of fun thing

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.080
<v Speaker 1>you see in a museum and you marvel at how

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.440
<v Speaker 1>advanced it was for the time. Sure, definitely if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get too real typewriters, though, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Christopher lay them shoals. You mentioned, uh,

0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee in right, Yeah, and he got he was a journalist.

0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>He was a politician. Sometimes almost said a superman, a newspaperman.

0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.440
<v Speaker 1>The superman was a newspaperman. Hey man. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>heck of a connection. Uh. And he was a superman,

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll say it. Uh. And he had a side gig

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<v Speaker 1>as an inventor. And he got together. He was smart

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<v Speaker 1>enough to collaborate with people, and got together in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six with a couple of colleagues named Carlos Glinden

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and Samuel Willard Seul. Would you say so? All right?

0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Soul with any And they went to work and designed

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<v Speaker 1>um a typewriter at Klein Stuber's machine shop in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 1>and then finally in eight sixty eight were able to

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<v Speaker 1>apply for their and this is kind of fun. Always

0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.280
<v Speaker 1>loved the early sort of UM when things are split

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<v Speaker 1>up into two words, capital T, type dash, capital W

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>writer a literal type writer. And it had a little

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun to look up. Look this thing up. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a little piano keys as the keyboard, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense because it has a similar mechanical function, right, And

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 1>apparently the ebony keys had one function. The ivory keys

0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.920
<v Speaker 1>had another function. But if you look at it, there's

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.200
<v Speaker 1>only like four or five keys of each. And I

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.399
<v Speaker 1>cannot make heads or tails of how the thing worked,

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and apparently no one else can, because I've never found

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<v Speaker 1>an explanation of actually how it worked. But it's just like,

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.640
<v Speaker 1>look at that thing. It looks like a piano moving on. Well.

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.840
<v Speaker 1>One thing I knew is that they lived together in

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<v Speaker 1>perfect harmony. That's right. The other thing I found out

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>about that too, is in their prototype, all I could

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 1>type was W. But apparently type W really really well

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 1>enough that they applied for the patent and they got it.

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<v Speaker 1>They also did something else that was innovative that would

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<v Speaker 1>come in UM. It was kind of one of those

0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>things that laid the groundwork for all typewriters to come.

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<v Speaker 1>They had two spools that held an ink ribbon on top,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about how the inc ribbon jumps up

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and gets in between the type bar and the paper

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to leave the the inked letter. Well, these guys invented

0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 1>it basically right out of the gate. Yeah, because you

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>gotta have a spool, you gotta move that ribbon along,

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 1>or you're just typing on the same section of ribbon

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.879
<v Speaker 1>over and over and that's no good, sure, uh. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy two, they sold UH their shares in this

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<v Speaker 1>invention to a guy, an oil guy named James Dinsmore,

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 1>who will factor in UH in a pretty big way

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 1>in a minute. And but Shoals wasn't done. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we sold this thing, but I'm gonna

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>keep working. And later that same year, like that's how

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like dedicated he was to figuring this thing out. He

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 1>teamed with another inventor named Matthias Schwalbach and made an

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 1>improved typewriter within the same year that he sold the patent,

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.720
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty I don't know if that's shifty or

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>just super smart. I saw that it was glitten and

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 1>soul that Shoulder sold their shares and that UM Shoals

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:35.359
<v Speaker 1>may have kept his or invested. Yeah, so so schwall

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Back and Shoals. The thing that they came up with,

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no better way to describe what it looked like

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 1>than Dave put it, which is a medieval pasta maker.

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It's really weird and ungainly and like just disproportionate, like

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 1>real top heavy. Um. But it worked pretty well. But again,

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it was just one of those things that that um

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that Shoals was, he just kept improving and improving and improving.

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 1>And then he said, Densmore really kind of comes in

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.879
<v Speaker 1>in a big way in a minute. And here he

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>comes because after the Civil War, the Remington Company, which

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>had built, uh manufactured tons of guns for the Civil War,

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>found that their gun market had suddenly dried up and

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 1>they were looking for new markets to get into, and

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Densmore said, I got one for you, that's right. They

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>also made sewing machines, which will become evident here in

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a minute. But in eighteen seventy three Densmore pitched them

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and said this typewriter thing is pretty awesome. And Remingtons,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, was looking to make something literally, and

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they said give me a thousand and uh, I guess

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that was just the initial order and it really took off. Um.

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>They manufactured them where they manufactured their sewing machines in

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.879
<v Speaker 1>upstate New York, and the what it was known as

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.120
<v Speaker 1>was the Shoals and Glinden typewriter. It's how it was branded.

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's you can look this one up to

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very pretty, sort of Victorian era looking machine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually decorative. They have flowers painted on the case.

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.200
<v Speaker 1>It's it's cool. It looks like an old timey sawing

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:07.479
<v Speaker 1>machine because apparently Remington's design team were one trick ponies. Um.

0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It even had like a foot pedal too for the

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 1>return Like when when the thing dinged, you didn't press

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the lever with your hand, you hit it with the

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>foot pedal and it went the carriage returned back to

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the right. Um yeah. Um. So they were like, Okay,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>we're getting closer. Um, this is starting to kind of

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>come around. And I think that Shoals and Glinten typewriter

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>was the first one that Mark Twain had. If I'm

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>not mistaken, I M think so. Yeah, But Shoals invented

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 1>something else, Like this guy is just the inventor that

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>keeps on giving as far as typewriters are concerned. In

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight he invented the shift key. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>were like me and never realized why the shift key

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<v Speaker 1>was called the shift key, then prepared to be amazed,

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>because there's an actual reason for it. That's right, when

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you hit the ship, well, we should say that that

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>initial shoals in glinten was all caps. Right, that's a

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>good point. That was a problem everyone, you know. I

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.479
<v Speaker 1>think actually Twain handed in his manuscript on the Remington two,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're talking about now, But if he had handed

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<v Speaker 1>in the shoals and glint and they would have said,

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 1>why is this guy shouting and everyone all the time?

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like life on the Mississippi should be a little

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>more laid back life on the uh. So the shift

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>key is something that literally shifted everything up. The whole

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>carriage shifted up. And like you said earlier, there's the

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>lower case letter and the upper case letter just right

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on top of each other. And that's all it took.

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>You just it was a mechanical solution again that lifted

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<v Speaker 1>it up where the appropriate uh case of letter would

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>hint that ribbon. And that's why they call it the

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<v Speaker 1>shift and they still call it that, which is hysterical.

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It is because you're not shifting anything on a computer,

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.719
<v Speaker 1>but you did physically shift the carriage up and then

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<v Speaker 1>whatever letter was on top, I think the lower case,

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>which is still the case. If you press shift, it

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>goes to upper case. Right. Yes, well that's that finds

0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>its source back in the eighteen seventies and up the

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<v Speaker 1>lower case letter at the top of the type bar

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.680
<v Speaker 1>would be too high up to hit the the letter

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.360
<v Speaker 1>or the paper. Now, I just think that's amazing. Yeah,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because we do have a caps lock on

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a computer keyboard. I wonder why they did didn't change

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>shift to caps They used to call it shift lock.

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>That's true. And also it does more. I forgot that.

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>It also does more beyond capitalizing, does percentage and a

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>person and all the number secondary functions. But so does shift.

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 1>So caps lock makes even less sense. It should be

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<v Speaker 1>shift lock. It should be shift lock. Yeah, somebody really

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>screwed up along the way. No, wait, does cap cap

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>slock doesn't do that for the numbers, does it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna find out right now. I believe it does. Man,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I've literally never tried that. I know,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have either. Let's trust I'm demonstrating

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>now capslock engaged. I'm gonna type of three, which is

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 1>a pound sign. No is the three, So calock. We

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>just did a live demo on air. I love that.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>There's probably about half the people that were on the

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>edge of their seat and half the people are going

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>these guys have had the show for how long? And

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>they're this tim is the best generation. Uh. Let's talk

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>about quirty, our old friend. Quirty is how you say it?

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Or do you say quarity quirty querty? I think I

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>say both actually because they both sound right nowhere in

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the well. Querity, as everyone knows, is the style of keyboard,

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the arrangement of the letters on most Western typewriters that

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you'll see. As you'll see and maybe surprise, there are

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other different arrangements, but the quarty is

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the one that's stuck, and it is named after those

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>first six letters on the top row of the typewriter. YEP,

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>starting from the left right, that's right, that should have

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>said English language, well, not just English language, any Latin alphabet.

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>So the abcs those are considered the Latin alphabet. So

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>like if you go to um, I don't know Italy,

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>uh you you can find Quarity keyboards there too, right. Um,

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>But the there's a legend, I guess with Quarity, A

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of people say that. Um, and it was Shoals

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>who came up with the Quarity keyboard. Yet another amazing

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>milestone that this man delivered to humanity. Um. Okay, not

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>an amazing milestone, but something that's still around today and

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>is mildly interesting to talk about. At least boy really

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>cut him out, cut his knees out on that one,

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't you. So um he there's a lot of there's

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>a legend that he created the Quarity keyboard because people

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>were typing too fast. So he because he he originally

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>had it alphabetized. And that's true, he originally had them

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the keyboard alphabetized. I think starting from the top left.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm not sure, but apparently some I think some

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>researchers at Kyoto University in Japan did some analysis on

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>this legend and we're like, we think this is a myth.

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Apparently Scholz is the kind of guy who would have

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<v Speaker 1>and like people are typing too fast, and my typewriters

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>jamming up. He wouldn't have tried to slow the types down.

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>He would have tried to have improved the typewriter. But

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>more of the point, they think. Actually it was morse

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>code operators whose input led to the Querity keyboard from Shoals,

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>because if you if you're transcribing my morse code, querity

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>layout makes a lot of sense. Really, do you know how?

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'm just taking it on faith from the

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Kyoto researchers that that's the case. Yeah. Well, again, he

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>made an improvement, and he found that they were more

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>likely to jam with a more frequently used letters next

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to each other. So he did, uh. He did some

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it and decided that if I come, if

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I space these things out the most common two letter combinations,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>then in theory, we should be getting fewer jams. Sure

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>it'll happen every now and then, but at least we

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>can reduce the number of jams. And that was it.

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's not the only altern native, right, What the

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>other kind of keyboard? Well, no, they're there are quite

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>a few other alternatives to the Querity right. The the

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>layout of it, right, yeah, okay, And by the way,

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>what you just said was the legend. From what I understand, well,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought he he did not look in the arrange

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>them by two letter combinations. I I don't. I don't know. Again,

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because of the at least Okay, the

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Kyoto people say it's because of the Morse Code operators.

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Other people say no, it absolutely is true that it was.

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.959
<v Speaker 1>It was the he was trying to fix the jam

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>We just don't know. It's just interesting to debate. See.

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>What I saw was that he was trying to fix

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the jams, but he wasn't so concerned about fast typing.

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's a really

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>good point, and it was lost on me until you

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>just said that. So, so he was making it so

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>letters that were next to each other that you'd frequently

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>use wouldn't be used at the same time, and so

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>cut down on the chance of them jamming. That's what

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I've heard. But also, you know, maybe it was both. Okay,

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we should just spend the rest of this

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>episode talking about the querity legend. I think we should

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>move on from the quarity to the diet tensor. Yeah,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you set me up, so there's other keyboard layouts. I

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard of diet tens or have you? So a

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>guy named George Canfield Blicksender for a wonderful name. He

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>did some analysis all the way back in and figured

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>out that there was an optimal way to design a

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>keyboard UM and by by analyzing the English language, he

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>found that if he put d H I A T

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>E N, s O and R and I believe the

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>middle row um, he the I think of all English

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>words would use those letters. And the reason why the

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>middle row is important is because were they Okay, Well,

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>in other keyboard layouts to come, they usually put the

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>most important letters in the middle row because that's considered

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the home row where the home um position right. Yeah, okay,

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>but so he said to heck with that, I'm not

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>including that. But regardless whatever row, the d H I

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>in t E d h I A T E N,

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>s O, R was in bottom row, I guess of

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>all English words would use those letters, so you would

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>be able to type most words without even leaving the

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 1>bottom row, which would let you type way fast. Yeah.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess he just had a different idea of where

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>home was because he went bottom up. UM the diet

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in stars on the bottom in the middle row had

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of all English words use those letters, and then at

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the top row only two percent. So he really, uh,

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>he really went all in on the bottom end, he did.

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>And then there's another one called the Divorak simplified keyboard,

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and apparently this one is still popular. It was created

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>in the thirties. Yeah, I think this one, if I'm

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>not mistaken, and I didn't do much digging, but I

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>think the Divorak is the one that really has a

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of very past and it proponents still UM and

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and like you can get Divorak keyboards, right, Yeah, I

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>think it's I think it's it's a setting or an

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>app you can download for your phone or your computer.

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>At that time, I don't know if you could order it,

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe from like Alien where I could see them creating those.

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that is. It's like a

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>gamer system computer. But the Divorak is the one that

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>really has like a lot of people still out there

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>saying puirty uh stinks And the Dvorak is what we

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 1>should have done, uh, Dr August Divorac was the inventor,

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>like you said, and I think it was six specifically,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>but UM also did a lot of studying of the

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>English language. And also apparently this had a lot to

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>do with um fatigue for your finkies, right, because he

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>put I think the consonants the most used consonants on

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the right side and the vowels on the left, and

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you were a to type many more words staying in

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that home position. And again, I think home position is

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>typically the middle of the middle row with the act

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the absolute middle two keys not touched, but the other

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the other eight keys are touched by your fingers, and

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>then both of your thumbs are on the space bar.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>That's right now, Like I I think, Chuck, we should

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>explain this, Like people are just left to pick up

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>typing on their own today because it's so ubiquitous. There

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>were classes in high school you referenced earlier, taking one

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I got out of it. I really didn't want to

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>take typing, but they would teach you typing. They would

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>take an hour out of the day to to go

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to typing class and you would learn to type. Right. Well, yeah,

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>this is where I was going to ask you, like,

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 1>what you're typing method is? Like I took the typing class.

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>It was typing shorthand and it was one of those

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>classes where you did like three things in a quarter. Yeah,

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>it was typing, shorthand or speedwriting, which I've talked about

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>in another episode. I guess the shorthand episode, and I

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 1>think the third one was like does classes. It told

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you like how to keep a bank account and right

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>checks and stuff, which is funny now, like you can

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 1>teach you that in a day. And yet we had

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>like a third of a quarter. But I never learned

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to type properly, even though I took that typing class.

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I am a almost a no look typus now, but

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 1>it's just from repetition, it is. I don't type correctly.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I think I type with my my pointer in my

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.479
<v Speaker 1>middle fingers generally only sometimes I use the ring finger

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a little, never used the pinky I never used. Are

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you even supposed to use your thumb? I don't remember.

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I think for space for spacing, I don't use the

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>thumb at all. So I'm a hunter and a pecker

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>who just got really fast and memorized the keyboard. So

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you still generally hunting peck, but really fast. Well, hunting

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and pecking looks like you're seeking it, like I've memorized

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the keyboard. But what I mean to say, is I

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>don't type properly, Like in typing class they would say, like,

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>your pinky hits the p or whatever, and I was

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>just my pinky. My pinky isn't that you know. My

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>pinky is a bad finky. It doesn't do what I

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>sell it to all the time. My pinky is my

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>worst guitar finger. So it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>just I don't have a lot of dexterity with my pinky.

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's a lame duck personal issue.

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I never really thought. I'd never trained my pinky to

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>do much. I've never really given that much thought to

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>how I type either. But I started out as a

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>hunter pecker and then now I'm a full typist. But

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm totally self taught, never never had a lesson. But

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>do you type properly according to like the classroom instruction?

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I see here we go, I think

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I start. I think, do you think a kind of

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know where I start. I've got

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to pay attention to this. I've never stopped and thought

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>about where I put it. But I think I generally

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>start in the home on the home, Yeah, in the

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>home position. I think I do. That feels natural, okay,

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>so um, but yeah, it is kind of neat to

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>be able to boast to be like a self taught

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>type is because people out there did learning in class.

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to you me about it, and she's like,

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>are you guys going to talk about the computer games

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that taught you typing? Not play those? So um. There's

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>one I looked up that was really popular called type Master,

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>where you would you were a UFO and there was

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like space invaders coming at you and each one had

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a word associated with it, so you type the word

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>really fast before the alien got to stressful. Yeah, it

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>would make typing stressful. Where's the laser? Right? Right? So

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they started typing, I think all the way back in

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.879
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen seventies they started teaching people typing. I think

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the y w C A of New York was one

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of the first groups to teach typing, and it just

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>kept going on from there. Because this is not Typewriters

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>were not an intuitive machine, like they didn't really they

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 1>weren't laid out of alphabetically. We don't just normally use

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>our fingers for such endeavors, Like it's something you had

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 1>to learn. But they were able to teach enough people

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and get across the importance of it to enough people

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>that typewriters like weren't just a passing fad like a

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of people initially thought they were. That's right, very

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>cool and it, as we'll see after the break, it

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.439
<v Speaker 1>changed the workforce. Um. But before we break real quick,

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 1>we do want to point out there are a lot

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 1>of other keyboards in the world, their language specific keyboards.

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.839
<v Speaker 1>French keyboards say as ort and that home top row.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I think Germans say set of querity quarts with a

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Z and they're brail keyboards. There are uh, there are

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>cool Japanese typewriters. Man, those are complicated. Yeah, no kidding.

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever typed on one? No? I I can't.

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't figure it out. Like I I read descriptions

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>on how to use them. I'm like, I don't understand

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>this at all because they're in kanji, the Japanese characters,

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>So there's thousands of characters. Yeah, pretty amazing. Have you

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>ever used one? Oh? No, no, no, okay, yeah, they

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>look pretty neat. Uh shall we take that break? Yeah,

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:04.359
<v Speaker 1>let's all right, We'll take that break and we'll talk

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>about how typing changed everything right after this. Okay, so um,

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the Remington number two that I think you mentioned was

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Mark Twain's second typewriter. Um that was the first one

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to like really blow up. It came out and it

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>was like the typewriter for a very long time, for

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 1>at least a decade um. But one of the things

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>about the Remington Number two and all the other typewriters

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 1>at the time was you couldn't see what you were

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>typing while you were typing because the type bars were

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>striking the paper from underneath, so you couldn't watch yourself

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 1>type at all. You just had to hope for the best.

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>That's right. They were called up strike or understrike or

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 1>blind typewriters, And you had to lift that carriage up

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that was on a hinge to see what you had done,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to see if you had made a mistake or not,

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>or whether or not that's what you wanted to say.

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And along comes the Underwood. I wanted to Underwood. I

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>got a Royal, that's fine, my mom did a great job,

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>but I kind of wanted to Underwood because that's the

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>classic old mechanical typewriter in my mother. That was the

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>first front stroke visible typewriter to hit the market. Invented

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>by France Xavier uh Wagner or Wagner, I'm not sure.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.280
<v Speaker 1>And John T. Underwood, you're psychic? Is it called the Underwood?

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>He was Office Supply magnate and he bought that patent.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>He said, I'm gonna call it the Underwood as if

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>I invented it. And it was that was That was

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of it. That was a big change, game changer,

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and everything moving forward was front facing. Yeah, it's set

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the design stand until the IBM Selectric came out in

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one. Basically, you know, seventy the sixty five

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>years later, I guess um. And the Underwood was different

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>because you could see what you were typing. The type

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>bar struck the platin in front of you rather than

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>from underneath. There was one shift key keyboard was in

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>four rows. The numbers and the symbols were at the

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.720
<v Speaker 1>very top row. Basically everything you kind of think about

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 1>as a keyboard today was that Underwood that came out

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>way back in eight Yeah, we talked about the workforce changing,

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and this is one of those things where we'll just

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>tell it how it happened. It was a time when

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>women did not work in the office world. They weren't

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>part of that workforce. And from the very beginning the typewriter.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 1>There was a book in the eight called Manual of

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the Typewriter where it's writer, author John Harrison, talks about

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>it being especially really like fit for feminine fingers. It's

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>like they seem to be made for women. Uh, you know,

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of hard labor involved, and a

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of women play piano and that's a similar skill

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 1>as that. And in eighteen seventy, Uh, this is a

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>stat that's really revealing. Two point five of the clerical

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>workforce were women in eighteen seventy and in nineteen thirty,

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>thanks to the typewriter, that rose to fifty two point

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.240
<v Speaker 1>five per cent man and plus also the clerical workforce

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>itself grew because of the typewriter, because before that you

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 1>had like Bartleby the scrivener types where they were copying

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>by hand, like legal documents and stuff like that. There

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't as much paperwork because it was so so

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>much more time consuming and difficult. But Shoals the typewriter

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>hero of the century UM or millennia, really, if you

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>think about it, um He was very proud of his, um,

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>his uh invention because he saw that it allowed it

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was an entrance for women into the world place. They

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 1>came out of the home. And it's it's not it's

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>incorrect to say that the typewriter is what got women

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in the workplace. Actually was a civil war in the

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>federal government hiring women for clerical positions. But it gave

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 1>women a completely different type of um life and salary

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and um much more I don't want to say equal footing,

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but it got a foot in the door into the

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>office world, um thanks to the typewriter because people I

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>saw it described as secretarial work was associated with typewriters,

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and women were associated with secretaries. And it just took

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>off from there, right and again we're not saying that,

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and before you know it, they were CEO

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>s like there is still uh so much work to

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 1>be done on that front, but just getting inside the

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 1>room is a big, big deal, and that got more

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and more women inside the room. Uh. They were kept

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.720
<v Speaker 1>apart for a little while late nineteenth and early twentieth century.

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>They didn't think men and women could like work in

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the same rooms as one another. Uh, So they had

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>what was called typing pools, which was lit really where

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>all these women type, these these huge rooms with like

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, a hundred typewriters that you've seen in movies

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and these women just typing away. That was the typing

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 1>pool and then they would integrate the offices in that

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>way before too long, right, And also the whole idea

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of like, well, women's places in the home, why are

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 1>we trying to get them into the workplace? This is wrong?

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the process of modernization unfolding, like like we

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about in the Fundamental Fundamentalism episode, Like that is

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>a perfect example of modernization happening. Um again though it's

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like you said it was. It was something, but

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>it definitely wasn't everything, and it wasn't like throwing a

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>switch because you had to be UM single, typically young

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and UM well educated to be a typist in the

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>business world, especially early on UM and when you were

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>married then your role was definitely back in the home.

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>So you would get married. Oftentimes you would meet some

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody at work and marry them and they'd be like, Okay, congratulations,

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you're fired, and that was that, you know, and then

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>you went off to become a homemaker. So yeah, there's

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>still a lot of work to do, but there was

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work that had been done from you know,

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the twenties and the thirties up to today. That's right. Uh,

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>we need to skip forward in time a little bit

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>because we've been talking about manual typewriters this whole time.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we said the word game changer a lot,

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the real game changer because they were you know, electric

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>typewriters starting in like the nineteen twenties where things were motorized,

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until the nineteen sixties with the introduction

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned it earlier of that IBM S electric typewriter

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and the type ball that was what really changed everything.

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>If you look at an old electric typewriter, I mean,

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 1>this is what we learned on in high school. Like

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that was the sort of the go to before the

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>word processor. And Dave described it and it's pretty appropriate.

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>It's about the size of a golf ball, but some

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>boss with all the letters all the way around it.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>And there is this you need to check out this

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>video on YouTube of how the selectric actually works. It's

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 1>an amazing marvel of engineering. There are actual cables that

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>spin super super fast, I think seven tenths of a

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>second to get the right uh character into place to

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 1>meet with that ribbon, or I guess it wouldn't even

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a ribbon at that point, was it. I think the

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>ribbon does come up still, but it's the ball um,

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the spin and the tilt. It's just got really impressive

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>y'all control. Yeah, and you didn't have to wind the

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>ribbon anymore. I think that was the deal. Was just

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>all uh electrifide and all that video you're referenced UM.

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 1>You can look up engineer guy on YouTube and IBM

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>S electric and he does a really great job of

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>explaining it UM and how it uses UH some a

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>series of levers called a whiffle tree, but basically your

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>your mechanical input from your your finger triggered a series

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of motors that would make this thing happen again in

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.280
<v Speaker 1>like seven tenths of a second. It's it was really impressive.

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>It's still impressive to see UM. And that changed everything

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>because before, when you were typing on a manual type

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>or you had to press really hard, and if that's

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>all you're doing for eight hours a day, your hands

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 1>started to hurt. Probably by midday Tuesday, I'm guessing, UM,

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.280
<v Speaker 1>this was totally different. You just kind of barely pressed

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the button and all of a sudden the thing would

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.720
<v Speaker 1>just respond fully to your to that to that button press,

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>so that really helped. It also made everybody a lot faster.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 1>And there was some other like cool components that were

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>added later, Like I think this electric was the first

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:44.280
<v Speaker 1>one to use basically UM disk drives. I think onboard

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>disc drives to store you know, a whopping, you know,

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty words at a time or something like that. UM.

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But that was huge because it means it meant you

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>could type a letter once and then you could recall

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the letter and print it again. You could edit it,

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you could you all sorts of neat things. So that

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>made this electric also the first word processor, right, and

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>these are electric, there's a difference. There are also electronic

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>typewriters that came along and that was sort of the

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 1>next evolution in the game. And they used circuit boards,

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>silicone chips and everything to control those motors and memories. Uh.

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Because the electric was UM while powered by electricity, was

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 1>still a very sort of mechanical machine in the in

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the insides, in the guts, UH, and the electronic typewriters

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 1>came around in nineteen eight, and I guess that's what

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I was using in high school actually, but they were

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>still electronic. Yeah, yeah, but they were still IBM s.

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I could see public schools still having

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the old typewriters by the time you were in school.

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. From the sixties, well maybe, yeah,

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>because I mean the electronic typewriters arrived in seventy eight.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>You know that IBM was still making electrics then, yeah,

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.719
<v Speaker 1>that's true, So it's possible you were using this selectric

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, was there like a little l c D

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>screen on your on your typewriter? Well, then, my friend,

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 1>that was an IBM Selectric brand. Oh did all the

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>electronics have those? I think most of them did. I

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 1>think it was a pretty quickly introduced thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>had the little l c D print out so you

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<v Speaker 1>could see what you had just typed before the typewriter

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<v Speaker 1>actually typed it up onto the paper, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>you could edit it and rearrange it and do all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff, which is the definition of word processing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what mean, that's what I ended up getting in college,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think mine might have been a brother. But

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<v Speaker 1>they looked you know, day makes a good point. They

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<v Speaker 1>look better than printing something out from your computer at

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<v Speaker 1>the time because not matrix printers uh stunk. And this

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<v Speaker 1>looked way better. This looked like you typed it out

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<v Speaker 1>by hand. Uh, well, because you did. Um. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Xerox Memory Writer six thirty was a big game changer,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had twenty lines of display, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot um but it also ca in today's dollars more

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<v Speaker 1>than ten grand. Yeah, it was like a major piece

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<v Speaker 1>of office equipment in there's I didn't have any money

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<v Speaker 1>back then. I bought something used and it was not this.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way. I mean, they just got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper obviously over that six years. I remember having one

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<v Speaker 1>at home and it must have been eighty nine something

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 1>like that. So yeah, I think it came down in

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<v Speaker 1>price really quickly because my parents weren't shelling out ten

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<v Speaker 1>grand for a word process right, no way. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave dug up. This New York Times article from was

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<v Speaker 1>really prescient. It was cool. It was really wonky article

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<v Speaker 1>about the state of the typewriter and word processor market.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's parts of it where they were saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>analysts say that by the end of the eighties you

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<v Speaker 1>won't be able to distinguish a typewriter from a word

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 1>processor from a personal computer, which are these new fangled

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<v Speaker 1>things coming online, and that the secretaries of the future

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<v Speaker 1>will sit down at one machine that will be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do all these functions, and what they're doing will

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<v Speaker 1>just depend on what software they choose to be working on.

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<v Speaker 1>And in ninety four they're like, hey, here's the PC

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<v Speaker 1>of the future. They nailed it. I love it. They

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<v Speaker 1>actually put in quotes, a secretary of the future will

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<v Speaker 1>sit at the keyboard of a piece of quote hardware,

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<v Speaker 1>with this function to be determined by the choice of software.

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<v Speaker 1>Analyst's say, yeah, that's pretty nat. They had it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else about the typewriter? I got nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else about this typewriter either, which means everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to know about typewriters, go look them

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<v Speaker 1>up and you can buy them for a lot of

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>money depending on the type. Ye get it. Uh, that

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.400
<v Speaker 1>was an unintentional pun, as always. Uh. And since I

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<v Speaker 1>said unintentional punt, that means it's time for a listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this We're gonna come up with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's personalized plate. Hey, guys, love the recent episode on

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<v Speaker 1>license plates. At the beginning of the up, one of

0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that you thought the topic was kind of boring,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really loved it. Also love license plates. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>particularly fond of personalized license plates, and recently try to

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<v Speaker 1>get one for myself for the first time. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>talk of First Amendment rights, there are some rules in

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<v Speaker 1>my state about what you can and can't have. For instance,

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing vulgar, of course, which we talked about. The plate

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<v Speaker 1>I applied for spelled out farting f A R T N.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's childish, but I think that it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>and the right amount of vulgar. Let's got that right. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Utah disagreed No surprise there uh and

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it was too vulgar because I was denied. Now

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that my first choice has been denied, I need some ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>so help me out. This is Matt, So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>on the fly, maybe we could think of something that's

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>just the right amount of vulgar. What about tuting is

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty good? Or um? I mean? Is it? Is it

0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>all gas centered? Well? I mean that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go a different direction. So Tuton is

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<v Speaker 1>our our our replacement for farting. How about that? Okay,

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>tutings a replacement for farting. What about cruise in c

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 1>R U z N that'd be pretty boss. Yeah, not

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:17.920
<v Speaker 1>vulgar about I don't know if I could say this

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<v Speaker 1>on our family friendly show. How about b A L

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>z O U t R. Yeah, sure, that might be

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the right amount of vulgar. That's also that's not a

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>good look these days either. I don't know. Guys have

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>testicles hanging from their truck? Did they still do that? Oh? Sure,

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>drive out in the country in Georgia and testicles all

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:48.800
<v Speaker 1>over the place. Um, what about to the medal? But

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 1>m d L we just need to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to shorten the as as in he has the pedal

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<v Speaker 1>to the metal. Oh well, you could do the number

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<v Speaker 1>two or m t L not m d L number

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<v Speaker 1>two h m t L to the medal. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing way. Well, no, and that's what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>We we've got too short and we need to shorten

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<v Speaker 1>D to the medal, like with the how do you

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 1>shorten th h G? Well in speedwriting. You would make

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>a downstroke like an L and then a line to

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the right. Can you get that on a license plate?

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. How about two DUH D A

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<v Speaker 1>M T L. I think we've landed on it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. Oh and also, real quick, I lost the email.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how we missed this, but somebody sent

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<v Speaker 1>in an email saying, just go check out the license

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<v Speaker 1>plate for the Northern Territories, Canada. It is a metal

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>plate that is bare shaped. Yeah, it's really neat looking.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get one for the camp wall. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to buy one on eBay as we speak, not

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>right in the second, but I've been I've been looking around.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was that letter from. I don't know. Well, this

0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was Matt, but I don't know who's sent in the

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territories. But Matt's the guy that we just

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>helped out. Yeah, he's to the metal. Okay, hopefully we

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 1>did help somewhere in there. Matt. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>every time I hear utah now, I can't help but

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<v Speaker 1>think of um NBC Peacocks, a friend of the family,

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