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Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. Good evening, Dave, Good evening, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: obviously a grab. I just don't think he will. But

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Speaker 1: Dotson and then don't sleep on Christian Watson either. He's big,

426
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Speaker 1: from North Dakota State, He's fast, he fits into their jet,

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Speaker 1: sweet stuff wolf. I like him again. The thing that

428
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Speaker 1: you don't know about is you know how he's going

429
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Speaker 1: to do it, you know, playing elite competition every week.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, David, I think I'd love to see them

431
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Speaker 1: take a guy where his floor is high, right. I

432
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Speaker 1: mean this is something that Kyle van de Bosch has

433
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Speaker 1: been talking about. I love the image of saying he's

434
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Speaker 1: got to have a high floor. Forget about the ceiling

435
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Speaker 1: and how high the ceiling might be. Get a guy

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Speaker 1: at number twenty three that has a high floor. I

437
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Speaker 1: love that imagery right there, and I think that's something

438
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Speaker 1: they've got to look at. A guy that is a

439
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Speaker 1: proven commodity, a guy that is a low risk pick.

440
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Speaker 1: There's nothing that's a guarantee. There's never gonna be a guarantee,

441
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Speaker 1: but a low risk pick. In other words, get a

442
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Speaker 1: guy you think is going to be a starter for

443
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Speaker 1: ten years on your team. Yeah, and this class of

444
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: receivers is considered one of the most robust in last

445
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Speaker 1: decade plus. The question, I think what's greater the depth

446
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Speaker 1: of quality receivers or the demand four receivers, Because my

447
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Speaker 1: big fear at twenty three is four. The five teams

448
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Speaker 1: in front of you could easily go receiver Philly at

449
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Speaker 1: eighteen New Orleans and nineteen Patriots at twenty one, Packers

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Speaker 1: at twenty two. In fact, when Steve Kim said during

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Speaker 1: the press confer and say, you know, we've had some

452
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Speaker 1: offers and some conversations maybe about trading up four or

453
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Speaker 1: five spots, I said, yep, ding because those four or

454
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Speaker 1: five teams in front of you all receiver. So if

455
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Speaker 1: that's your target position, I could see that happening. Then again,

456
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: it's so deep that guys, I was watching NFL Network

457
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Speaker 1: earlier this week and you had James Jones on their

458
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: NFL Network analysts, longtime NFL receiver. He said, the best

459
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Speaker 1: receiver in the draft quote end quote is sky More

460
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Speaker 1: out of Western Michigan, Okay. And then he went on

461
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Speaker 1: to say that George Pickens from Georgia will be a

462
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Speaker 1: future All Pro receiver. Now he had an injury played

463
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, But Dave, I'm wondering George Pickens, who

464
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Speaker 1: has been liking aj Green effect. He was on the

465
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Speaker 1: Ajan Green Family Football Scholarship while at Georgia six five,

466
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Speaker 1: round A four four, seven forty. He's a guy who's

467
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Speaker 1: been highly skilled, a few issues off the field. I'm

468
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Speaker 1: wondering he might even fallen around two and be available. Perhaps, Well,

469
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Speaker 1: James Jones works out of my gym. I'll have to

470
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Speaker 1: bring up the fact that he also said that Kyler

471
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Speaker 1: Murray's played his last down as a Cardinal, So I'm

472
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Speaker 1: not sure that his information that's absolutely right. I forgot

473
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Speaker 1: about that. So, I mean, look at the players though

474
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Speaker 1: you mentioned mean they're good players. I look, it just

475
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Speaker 1: comes down to value, and at twenty three, it doesn't

476
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Speaker 1: mean that you know, sky Moore and Pickens and even

477
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Speaker 1: John Metchi from Alabama who's probably not a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, are you going to spend number twenty three

479
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Speaker 1: on them? Or do you think that maybe you can get.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Cardinals have a history two guys of

481
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Speaker 1: moving up in the second round. Now, they don't have

482
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Speaker 1: a lot of picks, but they also don't need a

483
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Speaker 1: lot of picks. You know, they're they're a playoff team.

484
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Speaker 1: You don't have to You're not trying to build your roster.

485
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Speaker 1: You're trying to enhance your roster with your picks. So

486
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Speaker 1: you know, there's always a possibility that if there's somebody

487
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Speaker 1: their early second round that they absolutely love that they

488
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Speaker 1: had ranked very high, that's there and it fits a

489
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Speaker 1: need that they use a player picks future picks to

490
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Speaker 1: move up and get that guy. Yeah, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing. I love guys too. When you

492
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Speaker 1: think about the positions here, I think the first two

493
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Speaker 1: rounds we could see receiver and I think we could

494
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Speaker 1: see edge. I think we could see either edge receiver

495
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Speaker 1: or receiver edge. I mean, I again, they're going to

496
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Speaker 1: take the best player available at number twenty three, but

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Speaker 1: I think those two positions are are sort of deep

498
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Speaker 1: edge definitely receiver, not as much but still pretty deep.

499
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Speaker 1: So I think we could see those two positions addressed

500
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Speaker 1: in this draft. We'll see. Yeah, what Daniel Jeremiah tell

501
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Speaker 1: Dave about the edge position. It goes twenty deep in

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Speaker 1: this draft. In fact, it is episode twenty eight of

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Speaker 1: the Day Pash Podcast, featuring the NFL Network Draft Analyst.

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Speaker 1: So to see that or catch up on past episodes

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Speaker 1: of the Pash Pod, just go to your preferred podcast

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Speaker 1: provider on Twitter at Pash Pod. We continue with Day

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Speaker 1: Passion on the Big Red Rage NFL Draft twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Right after this, our college scouts do a phenomen little

509
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Speaker 1: job in terms of their research and getting to know

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Speaker 1: these guys. So they set the table for us so

511
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Speaker 1: when we come in and talk to these players, we

512
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Speaker 1: know what some of these issues are with these guys,

513
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Speaker 1: so we can kind of probe and figure out who

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Speaker 1: they are. What was the change in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: because a guy may have a reputation of being a

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Speaker 1: bad guy or a bad person, but when you talk

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Speaker 1: about them and learn their family history and learn where

518
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Speaker 1: they come from, you can get a better understanding of

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Speaker 1: who they are. And you're like, this kid is not

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00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: a bad kid. Look where you came from. Look where

521
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: he's at now. Now he's rough around the edges, but

522
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: he's improving, he's maturing. So when we do miss on players,

523
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: we miss on the person. So the interview process is

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Speaker 1: a critical component of being here. I want to get

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Speaker 1: ready for the Draft twenty twenty two. You got to

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Speaker 1: check out the latest episode of the Cardinals Flight Plan.

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Speaker 1: You go to YouTube dot com slash az Cardinals. It

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Speaker 1: dropped today. That is Quinn Harris, VP of Player person

529
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Speaker 1: and just the whole process from the combine all the

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Speaker 1: way through setting the board. It takes you into the

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Speaker 1: war room hashtag all access and that's what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about here. Cardinals Draft twenty twenty two, The Big Red

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Speaker 1: Rage presented by santanford In, Gilbert Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley

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Speaker 1: in the voice of the Arizona Cardinals, Dave Pash And

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Speaker 1: if you went into those war rooms, guys, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of NFL gms that according to NFL Network, they

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Speaker 1: foresee a run on quarterbacks late in round one, that

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Speaker 1: you know, Molik Willis and or Kenny Pickett will probably

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Speaker 1: probably be off the board by the Cardinals pick at

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Speaker 1: number twenty three. But if there is an interest and

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Speaker 1: availability of quarterback and the Cardinals are at twenty three, wolf,

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Speaker 1: do you think the phone rings for Steve Ky and

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Speaker 1: how viable is a possibility they trade out at twenty

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Speaker 1: three and cash that in if you're poly, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a viable proposition for them where they

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Speaker 1: could possibly trade down and collects some picks depending on

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Speaker 1: how much they like this draft and how it's shaping

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Speaker 1: up at number twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I don't think that's very likely

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Speaker 1: that this is just me. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: to trade the pick. I think they're going to keep

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Speaker 1: the pick, be right there at number twenty three and

553
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Speaker 1: hopefully select a guy that is actually going to make

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Speaker 1: a difference and be a difference maker come in and

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Speaker 1: contribute immediately in his rookie year. So if it's all

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback and getting to the quarterback, then Dave,

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Speaker 1: what do you think as an edge rusher? You saw

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Speaker 1: car Loftis for example, right, tell us some more about

559
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Speaker 1: car Loftis and you know as water polo background is intriguing.

560
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: They say his motor is non stop, so that's obviously

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Speaker 1: a plus. Yeah, I mean, for you know, he won

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Speaker 1: some games for them this year and people have made

563
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Speaker 1: the Ryan Carrigan connection. Ryan Carrigan was I'm not mistaken

564
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Speaker 1: the second overall pick in the draft, so I don't

565
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Speaker 1: know that that's fair. And obviously JJ Watt was I

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Speaker 1: think he was eleven. Karloftus I mentioned feels like a

567
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Speaker 1: little bit smaller version of JJ Watt to me, I'm

568
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Speaker 1: just not sure at twenty three that he provides the value.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot depends on you know, is David

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Speaker 1: a Jabo gone? Like, how do you feel about him?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it's worth taking a guy that

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Speaker 1: can't contribute this year? Or you know, Jermaine Johnson probably

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Speaker 1: isn't there, He's probably going to be. I think what's

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Speaker 1: going to be interesting. Two things are interesting to me

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Does Malik Willis get picked high or does

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Speaker 1: he slide? I think Kenny Pickett's going to be a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. Question is is he go to Carolina

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Speaker 1: or does he go to Pittsburgh meaning earlier late? What

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Speaker 1: if Willis slides and you know he's not taken until

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Speaker 1: the second round. The other thing is Cavan Thibadeau. You know,

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Speaker 1: is he going to be a top five pick or

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Speaker 1: does he slide? And if he slides, what does that

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Speaker 1: mean for or somebody liked your main Johnson, what about

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Speaker 1: boy A Maffe, a guy from Minnesota who a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have as a late first round pick. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be an edge rusher there at twenty three. The

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Speaker 1: question is do you think from a value standpoint, based

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Speaker 1: on your board, that it's worth taken him there? To

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Speaker 1: your point, Paul, what if Malik Willis isn't drafted and

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Speaker 1: somebody calls the Cardinals, we're going to take this kid,

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Speaker 1: and we'll give you an extra third round pick and

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Speaker 1: maybe this team's pick in twenty seven to twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: and you feel like, you know what, we can get

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Speaker 1: somebody twenty seven twenty eight that we had in our

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Speaker 1: top twenty on our board and pick up an additional pick.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals would look at that and you

597
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Speaker 1: know what. That happened twenty fourteen, did it not? Where

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals had some of their guys taken off the board.

599
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Steve Kimes shared as much with the media. They traded

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Speaker 1: out at number twenty down to twenty seven. They netted

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Speaker 1: a third round pick, which became John Brown. So that

602
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Speaker 1: has been done before. I think it's a distinct possibility

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Speaker 1: this year. That's just my gut feeling. Our producer Jim

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Speaker 1: Almohundro has tasked you guys with actually naming a name,

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Speaker 1: making a pick so wolf, you know, even all over

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Speaker 1: you know Davante Wyatt for months now, I mean, are

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Speaker 1: you sticking with that? Have you had some you know,

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Speaker 1: have you done some more research? As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I have, thank you very much. Over the last week.

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Speaker 1: I think there were some stories that started to come down, right,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. Stories that came down about

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Speaker 1: Davante Wyatt that I think, UM would probably take him

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Speaker 1: off a lot of draft boards. Having said that, UM,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting the cut that we played coming in here,

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Speaker 1: there were people talking. Q was talking about people that

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Speaker 1: I think are just like DeVante Wyatt. A guy that's okay,

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Speaker 1: he's a little rough around the edges, a guy that

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Speaker 1: may have some question marks, but a guy that maybe

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Speaker 1: it might take a flyer on again. I think it

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Speaker 1: precludes him from being taken by the Arizona Cardinals at

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Speaker 1: number twenty three. But how far is he gonna fall?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna fall to number fifty five? DeVante Wyatt?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible he'd actually be there in the second round?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe that's a little hint as

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Speaker 1: to what the Arizona Cardinals are thinking on him. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'll go. I think they do leave

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Speaker 1: the edge guy and or Devantay Wyatt to round two.

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Speaker 1: I do think they go a line in round one. Four.

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Speaker 1: They're five starters in the offensive line entering the final

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Speaker 1: year of their contracts. So whether maybe it's even Linderbaum,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think it's more apt to be

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Speaker 1: a Kenyon Green or Zion Johnson. I think they go

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Speaker 1: a line and then in round two one of those

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Speaker 1: pass rushers and or d Lynman you guys have named

635
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Speaker 1: all throughout there. Nick Benito, a guy from Oklahoma we

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Speaker 1: talked to Drew Grigson about, and a guy who's Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus. Great. I know it's analytics, but it's just

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Speaker 1: stupid how highly rated his pass rush snaps were and

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Speaker 1: they really didn't use him in a pass rush role

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Speaker 1: a vast majority of the time. He dropped into coverage

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch. And so if you do unleash him

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Speaker 1: and he's still there at fifty five, I could see

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals nabbing him if I had to pick somebody.

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Speaker 1: If you said, you absolutely have to name a name. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is assuming he's there. Jehan Dotson from Penn State.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure he's going to be there. And

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Speaker 1: I like Kenyan Green or Zion Johnson, either of the

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Speaker 1: two offensive linemen who are guard slash tackles, and for

649
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Speaker 1: some reason Tyler Linderbaum falls and he's there at twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a scrap all the other ideas and say, you

651
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Speaker 1: know what, this guy's the best football player. Will find

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Speaker 1: a way to make it work this year with the

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Speaker 1: certainty that this guy is going to be with us

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Speaker 1: for ten years and be a perennial Pro bowler. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, honestly, this is if it's a situation where

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Speaker 1: you're saying, who do you think is going to be

657
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Speaker 1: there and what would you like to see them do?

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Speaker 1: I think Kenyon Green is going to be there at

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Speaker 1: number twenty three. I think there's a real possibility he

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Speaker 1: would be there. I've loved Kenyon Green from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: At any time, you're talking about a guy that could

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Speaker 1: possibly firm that pocket up, that interior pocket for the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I mean, Kenyon Green is a big unit.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of butt man, He's gonna line

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Speaker 1: up and he's gonna put that butt in the gap,

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Speaker 1: and that butt is enough to actually build a bit

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Speaker 1: of a wall for Kyler Murray. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: really really important going forward, finding guys who are going

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Speaker 1: to brawl in the interior and keep that interior pocket solid.

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Speaker 1: For me, I'm gonna go Kenyon Green because I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be there, and I think the Cardinals wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to pass him. Wolf. It would fit this

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Speaker 1: pattern that you've been sighting, maneuver by maneuver of the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: maybe trending towards that team they were the first couple

675
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Speaker 1: months of the year, not just a winning team, but

676
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Speaker 1: a much more physical style of football. Would he not

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Speaker 1: fit into that formula? Yes, Polly, he would, There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. Again, listen, what is the strength of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. You have to ask yourself this. It's

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Speaker 1: the offense you're gonna have. I believe, guys, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have three hundred plus million dollars wrapped up in Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray when they come to this extension agreement. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much it's gonna be It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a boatload that much. We do know. You gotta

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Speaker 1: protect him, guys, you got to protect him. I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot more offensive lineman drafted

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Speaker 1: over the next couple of years because they have got

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Speaker 1: to protect him and hopefully they're going to have success,

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Speaker 1: very much like a Baltimore Ravens team has had success

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Speaker 1: drafting offensive lineman. Yeah, and it's intriguing as some of

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Speaker 1: these corner prospects might be. Dave. You know the fact

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Speaker 1: they went out and got Jeff Gladney and and they

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Speaker 1: paid a little bit of money. There was a bidding

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Speaker 1: more for Jeff Gladney. They won that bidding war, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, you realize that a Sauce Garden, Derek Stanley,

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Speaker 1: those guys aren't going to be there. Andrew Bruth you

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Speaker 1: brought up. But there's also a number of other corners,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Trent McDuffie or a couple of

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Speaker 1: you Dub guys, kier Elham from Florida, former teammate on

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Speaker 1: Mark will Side. You know, so there are possibilities those

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Speaker 1: guys will be available. What do you think, David, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals went that direction corner. Yeah. I mean, look, it's

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Speaker 1: anything as possible. It depends on who's there and who's not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if if all the guys we've talked about here,

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Speaker 1: including Kenyan Greene and Dots and Linder Bomber there, you know,

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Speaker 1: then you've got a tough decision to make whether you

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Speaker 1: want to go corner. You already got a couple of

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Speaker 1: Washington dbs. Jimmy Lake is an excellent position coach, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's that good. You want three guys

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Speaker 1: from Washington. But ultimately it's about who the best players are.

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Speaker 1: A boot to me, you know, it's a guy again

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Speaker 1: that played in the Bowl game. It tells me something

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Speaker 1: when you could have sat out and you know, all

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Speaker 1: these guys are sitting us they don't want to get hurt,

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Speaker 1: but the guy loves to play football. That that says

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Speaker 1: something to me. The Gladny thing is really interesting because

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Speaker 1: he was a first round pick two years ago and

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals would not have brought him in given the

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Speaker 1: things that have happened with him. If they didn't do

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Speaker 1: their homework, if they didn't talk to the former GM

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Speaker 1: Rick Spielman, if they didn't take into account all the

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Speaker 1: legal stuff. So are they looking at him maybe as

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Speaker 1: a starter with him Byron Murphy and Marco Wilson. If

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Speaker 1: you think, you know, we've got three really good corners

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Speaker 1: and then maybe you have Alfred still you resigned Antonio Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's an area you don't need to worry about

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Speaker 1: in the first round or in the draft at all. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, you can never have too many of them,

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Speaker 1: So if there's somebody maybe in the second round, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I have like ten guys on the list.

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Speaker 1: I think this is just my guests. Of ten guys,

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Speaker 1: I have one corner on that list. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: they won't take one. I just Booth is the one

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Speaker 1: guy have there. But I also think a lot of

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Speaker 1: the guys are going to be gone. But you know

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Speaker 1: what that's in a stude observation Gladney and using the

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Speaker 1: word starter, because that is the word that Drew Grigson

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Speaker 1: used two weeks ago on the Big Red Rage, right Wolf, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Drew Grison just you know, just waxing poetic about Jeff

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Speaker 1: Gladney called him a starter. Well you stop and think

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Speaker 1: about it too, Paulie. If you're watching tape of Jeff

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Speaker 1: Gladney in NFL games. What do you think is more

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Speaker 1: reliable the tape you're singing NFL games for college tape. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't even have to project. He started as a

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Speaker 1: right well. And then there's also the possibility of, as

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Speaker 1: Steve Kime said, of a potential draft day trade where

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Speaker 1: their guy is right in front of him. I mean,

748
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Speaker 1: their guy is only a few picks away and they

749
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Speaker 1: trade up to nab that guy. That's always a possibility.

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Speaker 1: They have done it in the past. Will continue with

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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert Day

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Speaker 1: Pass our special guest. We have a little lesson a

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Speaker 1: week to go, and I think that it's a great

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Speaker 1: time to continue to watch film, make calls, gather more information.

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Speaker 1: If there's any questions or concerns, reach out to the players,

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Speaker 1: reach out to college coaches, and let's make sure that

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Speaker 1: we were prepared. But so I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for all the hard work and effort that you guys

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Speaker 1: put into not only building this board, but the time

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Speaker 1: that you guys spent on the road. You sort of

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Speaker 1: feel like a nomad sometimes because you know you're out

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Speaker 1: there on the road and you feel like you're not

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Speaker 1: really a part of the team. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think you all know that the work that you

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Speaker 1: guys do and the information that you guys gather is

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Speaker 1: really the lifeblood of this organization. Cardinal's flight Plan taking

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Speaker 1: you into the war room. No, your keycard Wolf does

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Speaker 1: Plan Emmy Award winning the latest episode has dropped. It

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Speaker 1: is all about Tomorrow's draft twenty twenty two. As we

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Speaker 1: wrap up this edition of The Big Red Rage presented

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Speaker 1: by Santanford in Gilbert Ron Wolfley, Dave pass yours truly,

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Speaker 1: Paul KELVC. I ran into a longtime Cardinals assistant coach

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Speaker 1: in the hallway, guys, and he told me with a

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Speaker 1: straight face, he was dead serious that in all his

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Speaker 1: years he has never read a single mock draft. And

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Speaker 1: I said, right there, I said, you know what, you

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Speaker 1: are better off for it, because I just read a

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Speaker 1: mock draft that has a Cardinals taking Kenny Pickett the

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Speaker 1: pit quarterback. It's it's and I'll name names, it's draft Wire.

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Speaker 1: There there there mock has a Cardinals taking Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 1: I mean you talk about zero chance to Steve Kim

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Speaker 1: quote zero chance. I mean, I don't you know what?

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Speaker 1: We are so ready for this? Are we not, Dave?

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Speaker 1: Are we not ready? In fact? Just to prepare everyone

788
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Speaker 1: that you might have to adjust on the fly. Steve

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Speaker 1: Kim was talking about how you you got to be

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Speaker 1: ready in that war room because things are happening real

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Speaker 1: quick and in real time. It's the hardest part is

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Speaker 1: to try to think about who's legitimately going to be there.

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Speaker 1: You know, you always sort of play it out in

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Speaker 1: your mind and you think about different scenarios and you

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Speaker 1: have to go through that. And that's why we have

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Speaker 1: our mock drafts. And the year we picked um down,

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Speaker 1: you can and I look back at that draft and

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Speaker 1: I think about the way that the board fell, and

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Speaker 1: that year we had four guys that we absolutely loved.

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Speaker 1: I remember that, and they literally went right before we picked.

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Speaker 1: And you just got to be prepared for that. And

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen, and you have to have to

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Speaker 1: have a strategy whether you're going to stay there and pick,

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Speaker 1: or you're gonna trade back or vice versa. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you have somebody you love and you want to

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Speaker 1: go get them, and go get them, never forget too, Pollie.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in the war room and you've got coaches

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Speaker 1: that are trying to force their way in into the

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Speaker 1: war room. Sometimes, Pollie, you could never know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. You gotta be able to move with the

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Speaker 1: with the tide, with the current balling. So so, Dave,

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Speaker 1: last year you nailed it, did you not say on

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Speaker 1: this very show, Zavin Collins number sixteen overall going to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals? I think so, Polly, but I don't remember

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Speaker 1: for sure, but I think I might have. Okay, do

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Speaker 1: you guys want to get on the record here? Who

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Speaker 1: are you forecasting? Who do you think? Just in case

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Speaker 1: you actually you know, you throw that dart and you

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Speaker 1: hit a bullseye? What do you think Dave will spare

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Speaker 1: you some time? Wolf? Who are you going with? Okay, listen,

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Speaker 1: do I hope he's there? Yes, Jamison Williams. But there's

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Speaker 1: no way, there's no way. I don't think he gets

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Speaker 1: past the Jets at number ten, I kid you not.

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Speaker 1: They got two picks number four, number ten, I don't think. Listen,

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Speaker 1: the Jets do you think the Jets are looking at boy,

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Speaker 1: if we just have a good draft, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. No, they're not thinking that. So that's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I think they're looking at

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Speaker 1: their young quarterback and saying, Man, that kid from Alabama

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Speaker 1: right there, that kid that kind of looks like Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hill in terms of running and how he actually would

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Speaker 1: impact an offense, Let's go get him. I could see

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Speaker 1: the Jets doing that. So I wish Jamison Williams was there.

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Speaker 1: I really do with wish he was there. But Paul,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Kenyan Green. All right, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? Real quick? I could definitely see

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green I mentioned earlier. I'll just throw out John Dawson,

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Speaker 1: but again he may not be there either. True. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll say, all those guys are

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Speaker 1: off the board, and I'll go George Karloftus and I'll

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Speaker 1: just I'll just cave to all the mocks because that

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Speaker 1: seems to be the most popular pick with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you can join the season ticket

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Speaker 1: priority lists for the twenty twenty two season. And if

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Speaker 1: you've seen this schedule, We're talking Tom Brady and the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: You got Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, Justin Herbert and

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