1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stick, DJ and 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Buck with you. Buck. What's going on? Man? Man? I'm good, DJ, 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: I am good, coming off a great little Monday night activity, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: watching Drake May play like I've never expected him to 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: play before, and the page roll to another win. No, 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: it's great. Ball is great. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: I knew Drake was talented, and I liked him. I 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: gave him a really good grade, and I thought we 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: might see this version of Drake May like year four, 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: maybe maybe even like glimpses of it in year three. Man, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: he is so far ahead of schedule. I mean, the 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: guy's gonna he's got a legit shot that win the 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: MVP in a second season in the NFL. 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: That's just crazy, man, It is crazy. But DJ, I'm 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 2: wrecking my brain because I'm trying to figure out what's 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: the lesson to be learned in the evaluation of him, because, 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: you know, like having been really close to that, because 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: he is a tar heel, like having known so many 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: people there, having been around his dad for a long time, 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: I felt like I was maybe too close to the kid, 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: too close to the situation. You know, all of the stuff. 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: He didn't play his last year high school, sat behind 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: saying how it didn't play two years, doesn't have a 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: lot of experience coming into the pros. And then you know, 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: last year was last year. But now he looks like me. 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: He looks like a ten year vet. The way the 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: game appears to be so easy for him. I just 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: don't Yeah, I don't know how this changes the quarterback 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: evaluation going forward, but there has to be some kind 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: of deep dive that we do on him to kind 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: of figure out what we can pull out of the 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: quarterback sit The quarterback you've gout. 34 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So going back to that draft, I had him 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: as my second quarterback, so I had him just above 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Jadon Daniels one spot and a man, I got a 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: lot of grief on that last year when Jaden Daniels 38 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: did his thing and had that team humming. And now 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: fortunate he's hadn't been healthy this year, so I haven't 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: got a chance to see him with that Commander's offense. 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: But here's my report on him coming out. 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: Here's the Drake report. 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Prototypical size, athleticism and arm strength, quick feet, quick hands, 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: but his delivery can get a little long at times. 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: He's a gifted thrower who drives the ball without much 46 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: foot space in the pocket, including with defenders hanging on him. 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: He can take pace off the ball on swings and 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: shallow crossers, has a nice touch on bucket throws down 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: the field. He's athletic to escape and create with his legs, 50 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and he's tough to tackle in space, ultra competitive as 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: a runner, something he might need to dial back a 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: bit at the next level. His pass protection wasn't good 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: last season at North Carolina, and there weren't always answers 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: in the route to bail him out, which led to 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: some poor decisions and carelessness with the ball. Overall, May 56 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: has some things to clean up, but he has every 57 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: ingredient to be a top tier starter at the game's 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: most important position. And you know, I was thinking of 59 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: like reading that in I mean, we saw the same 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: thing with Josh Allen. We saw the same thing with Mahomes. 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Like people say, Okay, what are those guys happening? Calm, Well, 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: they're all athletic, they're physically gifted tools the guys. But 63 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: to me, there's two aspects of it that stand out 64 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: to me and the more we got to learn about him. 65 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Number One, incredibly smart. All those guys were very, very smart, 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: but this one is the most important one to me. 67 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: He did not play with superior talent. Josh Allen did 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: not have an elite offensive line at Wyoming. Obviously, Patrick 69 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Malmes did not have one at Texas Tech, and he 70 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: did not have one at Carolina. So some of these 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks who like, it's an adjustment for some of 72 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: these other guys coming from some of these other positions, 73 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: other you know, other you know, you're at Ohio State 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: or you're you're at those Clemson teams, Like they were 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: better when they lined up than everybody that they played against. 76 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: Whereas these guys had to they had to get used 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: to playing in a crowd. And that's what NFL football 78 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: is man. 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it is interesting you talk about those 80 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: those guys, Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen. We use those 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: as the main ones having to really be the league 82 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: dog of a crew of underdogs. Meaning it wasn't every 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: time they stepped in the stadium that they had the 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: best team around them. Sometimes they were fighting uphill. You know, 85 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: they were having to do the most with the least, 86 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: and that put them in a situation where they had 87 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: to be the driving force of the offense. They had 88 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: to be the guy before they had to be the 89 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: guy in terms of not being the manager, but being 90 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: the game changer or as we have always talked about, 91 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: they had to be the truck. Where some guys had 92 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: the luxury being the trailer, they had to be the 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: truck their entire collegiate experience. So they're very comfortable playing 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: that role as pros. And with Drake, it was more 95 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: the inexperience that you worried about. It wasn't the tools 96 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: because like his whatever first year at Carolina, like he said, records, 97 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: he did stuff that Deshaun Washston stuff it had done 98 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: in the ACC like he's one of only a few 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: to do. It was like three thousand yards and seven 100 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: hundred yards rushing and a bunch of touchdowns and all that. 101 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: So it wasn't the talent. It literally was the experience. 102 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: And you have so little experience in jumping to the 103 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: pros and have success right away. And he has proven 104 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: to be like those other guys have proven to be 105 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: outliers in that. 106 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: In that situation, Well, if you think about those conversations. 107 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: Remember with mahomes, Hey, these Texas Tech quarterbacks and man, 108 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: they put up a bunch of numbers. But that doesn't 109 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't translate to the NFL. Josh Allen, I mean, 110 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: he's doing this at Wyoming. You know, like, what is 111 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the game against Iowa, he didn't play 112 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: well when they played against Iowa and Oregon I think 113 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: was the other team, and it's like, okay, well they 114 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't really have a whole heck of a lot there, 115 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, and then and then he got hit. What's 116 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: the truebisky thing come out of Carolina and was like, okay, 117 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: well we saw you know, Mitch Tubisky come out here 118 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: and that didn't really necessarily work. And it's just another 119 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: reminder to me, you got to every evaluation is an 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: individual evaluation. You can't grade the helmet. You can't grade history. 121 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: You got a grade not only that the player, but 122 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: then the person. And I think you know those guys 123 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: Ace the person test as well as as what they 124 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: were as a player and Drake, you want to find 125 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: one bad word about it for anybody that's you know, 126 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: all those guys at Carolina. 127 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: Everybody loved him. I mean, I absolutely loved the kid. Yeah, 128 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: loved him, and I think I think a few different things. 129 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: Like we've always talked about betting on the character of 130 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: the kid. I would tell you having known his dad. 131 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: His dad was a legendary player in high school in 132 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: North Carolina. Three sport athlete comes to Carolina Places quarterback. 133 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: He is there a few years before I get there, 134 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: but he was still a GA when I came in, 135 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: So he would check classes and do all the other stuff. 136 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: So you know, the family brothers play at a high 137 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: level in college. Wanted playing overseas basketball and baseball, respectively, 138 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: So he comes from an athletic family. Always had to compete. 139 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: You think about the high school teams that he played for, 140 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: Like played with a bunch of guys that were sons 141 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: of pros. So he understood how to blend and kind 142 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: of you know, like the play with the different parts 143 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: of the locker room and be very very comfortable in 144 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: his own skin leading a bunch of different guys. Gets 145 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: to Carolina sits behind Sam Howell, doesn't bitch and mom fuss, 146 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: his learns behind them. Has a tremendous amount of respect 147 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: for in places role as the backup while Sam is 148 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: the start it, dident takes over maintains that relationship. So 149 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of these positive characteristics and qualities when 150 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: we talk about that position. Because you played that position, 151 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: you know that position is more than the talent. There's 152 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: so many intangibles that come with that. Maybe it's betting 153 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: on the intangible qualities with the tools that he had 154 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: that would lead you to believe that he's going to 155 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: be successful and be successful in a major way with 156 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: no doubt. 157 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting to see these young quarterbacks having so much success, 158 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: all these second year guys team success. I mean, right now, Caleb, 159 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: I think they're the number one seed and the NFC 160 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: with the Bears, Drake is the number one seed in 161 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: the AFC with Bo Knicks nep at his heels. I 162 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: mean that all these second year guys. Bo Nix is 163 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: another one who now he hasn't enjoyed quite the same 164 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: success that Drake has had this year, but he's someone 165 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: who's winning a lot of games, playing winning football. And 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I go back to his time at Auburn where he 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: went through real adversity. That offensive line he played with 168 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: there was not good playing against the elite defensive lines 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: every week, and it did not, and he struggled with it, 170 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: but he also got used to having to survive in 171 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: some of the chaos that you have to survive in 172 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: and didn't have just an easy path where if he'd 173 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: been an organ his whole career, he'd had all these 174 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: numbers and we go, I don't know, is he ready 175 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: for this, you know, the adversity that's going to come 176 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 1: his way. I think Auburn that experience is what prepped 177 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: him for it. 178 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that experience. And you know, like I'm gonna say 179 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: this because I feel like people always talk at the 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: top of the board about the quarterback class and he's 181 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: rarely mentioned as being a standout. But you know, Caleb 182 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: and Jane, Dames and Drake made like they all got 183 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: their flowers through out the process, and bo Nix was 184 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: kind of the throw in at the end. But when 185 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: you really look at the situation one going to Denver 186 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: with Sean Payton, you could see what Sean Payton liked 187 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: about him. Very mature, lots of experience, has some scuff 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: marks that we talked about. The quarterbacks need to get 189 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: scuffed up a little bit. The adversity prepares them for 190 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: the league and then does the like flinch when Sean 191 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: Payton coaches him hard. And then you look this year 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: because people are still trying to figure out how good 193 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: all the Broncos. They have eight one score wins and 194 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: those things. But I'm like, bo Knicks has six. When 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: you need to drive, he's come through and in those moments. 196 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: It was funny. I was listening to radio last night 197 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: while I was driving. They were talking about, like, man, 198 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: you know, maybe they should go up Temple whatever because 199 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: he appears to be at his best half end of game. Yeah, 200 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: because it's two minutes and the control is on him. 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: They may not need to do that the entire game 202 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: because it plays it plays away from the strength on defense. 203 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: But what that tells me is, oh, he has the goods. 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: Maybe they have a governor on him a little bit 205 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: where he can't fully unleash it, but bo Knicks has 206 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: the goods to do it. You can't win the amount 207 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: of close games that he's won without being a really, 208 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: really good quarterback. I just don't think people talk about 209 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: him enough. When they talk about the top three, he's 210 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: always kind of like an afterthought. Yeah, well you mentioned 211 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: those six. 212 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Kleb I think has five, which is the most embarrass 213 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: history with several games left the play. So these guys 214 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: have been good in big moments, and Drake his thing 215 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: is they've been handling business, so he hadn't had to 216 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: do that too much because of how efficient and how 217 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: accurate and how well he's played. 218 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: So they're saying he does have a three hundred yard game. 219 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't have a three hundred yard game, but the 220 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: efficiency that he operates with, Like man, he's one of 221 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: those guys that when you go to practice, the balls 222 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: not hitting the ground looks like a I'd imagine that's 223 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: what it's like in New England. The way Josh mcdamee's 224 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: and those guys have constructed this offense. It is out 225 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: out and then they lean into his athleticism and it's 226 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: play making the building. 227 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing the stuff that Brady got to later 228 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: in his career with Josh McDaniels. He's doing that year 229 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: two you too with him. That's insane. It's scary. 230 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: It is scary how good they can be because they 231 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: haven't even really upgraded the talent on the perimeter, like 232 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: when they start adding more pieces. 233 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Or just simply play together even longer. You want the 234 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: guys that he's got. Oh, just scary. That's the positive 235 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: side talking about some young players. Let's get to the 236 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: other side. 237 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: Now. 238 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I'll say this, Abdul Carter once he got into the game, 239 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: was impactful. He got his first sack and he was 240 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: pressuring and he's I know the sack numbers aren't there, 241 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: but when you watch him when he's on the field, 242 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: he is impactful. 243 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: He's explosively, he's dynamic. 244 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think as a player, I feel comfortable 245 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: with that evaluation. But buck Man, the guy can't show 246 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: up on time. He gets suspended his second time, and 247 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: I believe three games where there's been a punishment for 248 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: him being late or missing things. Just a lack of professionalism. 249 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: And I give look, I'll give my Kafka credit. 250 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: Man. 251 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: It have been easy for him to say, I shoot, 252 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: I got all hands on deck. I'm trying to win 253 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: this job. I need to have all my most talented players. 254 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: But he took a bigger picture view of it and 255 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: said that there's got to be some accountability and some 256 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: standards here. And I'm a bench this dude for a quarter. 257 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: Look, DJ, I understand it. In there, you know, two 258 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: times in three weeks where we've had to have this 259 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: situation with Abdul Carter. It leads me to believe there 260 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: was probably a bigger problem before Kapas stepped in and 261 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: started doing some of these things the next time. And 262 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: it has to be a game like because if you're 263 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: hitting them in his pocket and it's not changing, if 264 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: you send him down for a series and in the court, 265 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: it's not changing, you have to have something that's more 266 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: significant to get to them. And you know, we can 267 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: do all the character in background checks and do all 268 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: this other stuff as the beginning to think about guys, 269 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: but you know, there's a want to that you have 270 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: to have in terms of wanting to be a high 271 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: end professional, wanted to be a great player, wanted to 272 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: live up to the expectations that come with you being 273 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: third overall pick whoever he was picked at like that 274 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: has to be in you. And I'm concerned, Ricky, season 275 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: that we have in these troubles and you've already been 276 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: kind of slapped on the wrist a few times. Who's 277 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: gonna reach him, Who's gonna get him to be what 278 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: they need him to be. 279 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: He's gonna need some tough love, man, And I don't 280 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: mind them having everybody talk about why you got to 281 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: get offensive coach for Jackson Dart. I don't mind them 282 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: getting a defensive head coach and then putting a good 283 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: offensive mind there. Whether or not that's you want to 284 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: leave Kafkin there for some continuity on the offensive side 285 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: as a coordinator, whether you want to get somebody else 286 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: in there. But I don't mind having a defensive head 287 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: coach bringing a standard. You know, I think I think 288 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: of Demico Ryans and what he's done. You know, just 289 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: how much credibility he walks into a building with. I 290 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: look at their defensive coordinator underneath him. Now Matt Burke, 291 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: who's been around great players and great defenses. I think 292 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: he'd be a great head coach candidate. But they need 293 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: somebody to come in there and kind of get him going, 294 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: because the encouraging part is this, there's this feels more 295 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: like an immaturity issue than it does somebody who doesn't 296 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: care about football or like football. The guy played with 297 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: one arm in the college playoffs last year. So to me, 298 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: if it was just about making some money and and 299 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: not about loving or having a passion for the game, 300 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: I don't think he would have played when he was 301 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: injured at the end of the year last year. So 302 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: I do think he likes Paul. He just needs to 303 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: grow up. And this is an immature thing or anything else. 304 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it's an immature thing. But I will say this 305 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: because war coming out and we don't know. Everyone talks 306 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: after someone has been fired all these things about what 307 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: is going on, what's transparent within the culture. But they 308 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: talked about a lack of accountability in those things, and DJ, 309 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: we don't have a chance to win games if we 310 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: can't even do the things that take no talent, If 311 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: we can't show up on time, we can't wear what 312 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: we're supposed to wear, If we can't give maximum effort 313 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: and have a great attitude, we have no shot of 314 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: being able to maximize the x's and o's and all 315 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: the things that take place between the lines, Like that 316 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: stuff has to be cleaned up early, like that has 317 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: to be the bare minimum of just being a professional 318 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: and being able to do that. So I worry not 319 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: only about Abdua Carter, but if this has been allowed 320 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: to go on for a while with the Giants, you 321 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: now understand why it can be difficult for this team 322 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: to turn the corner because those little things show up 323 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: in the game in those key moments when someone jumps 324 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: off side, or you blow up coverage or you can't 325 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: remember how to a line up in the right thing. 326 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't appear to carry over, but it does. And 327 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: those when people talk about how you do anything, it's 328 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: how you do everything. Man. Those little things, those small 329 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: details matter. And so you want to get it right 330 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: for abduu Carter because you want him to maximize his 331 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: potential and what he can be in this league, and 332 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: for the jobs. You want to get it right because 333 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: the only way our team can compete at a high 334 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: level is if everyone is doing the right things to 335 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: give ourselves a chance on Sunday to be at our best. 336 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it goes back into the conversation we 337 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: were having about kind of the Steelers and their struggles, 338 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: is that everybody's not everybody's not on a string, everybody's 339 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: not connected, everybody's not doing their job. And the first 340 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: part of the job is you got to show up 341 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: and clock in. That's the us the part of our job. 342 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: First part, show up on time, be in the meetings, 343 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: take notes, do all of the other stuff. And it's 344 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: frustrating because like there's a new generation of players, young players. 345 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: I'm talking about young people that Hey, what's the big deal? 346 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: Not that big. It's a pattern of behavior that you're 347 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: trying to eliminate. And the professionalism part is a big 348 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: part of it. You're playing pro football, like there is 349 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: an expectation that this is your job and you have 350 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: to treat it as such. So you want him to 351 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: get right, you want him to understand it. But also 352 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: remember DJ when we talk about working for different teams 353 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: and knowing the area and the city and the trappings 354 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: of the life of the city that you're in, you 355 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: have to know that because everyone can't play in New York, 356 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: everyone can't play in some of these cities that are 357 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: active and vibrant. And so hopefully we can get it 358 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: straight and he can be everything that we think he 359 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: can be as a player. 360 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Well, the talent is definitely there. I think you'll see 361 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: that production will follow here if you can just just 362 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: stay focused here, that's all he has to do. Let's 363 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: take quick break. We'll come back with our coordinator of 364 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: the week right after this. All right, Buck, it is 365 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: time for Hot or Not, brought to you by with 366 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: Sabi hot cloud storage. 367 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: It is uh, it. 368 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: Is always interesting when we're looking at these coordinators of 369 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: the week here, what does that look like? And who 370 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: stood out? And I'm going to give you I'm going 371 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: to give you one from your squad this week for 372 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: our coordinator of the week. And make sure I'm saying 373 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: this correctly, Jags d C Anthony Campinelli, Is that right? 374 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was so close, man, so close. 375 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me tell me about him because I don't know, 376 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about his background, but the 377 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: job that he's done. Give you a couple of notes here. 378 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: Two takeaways on Sunday raise their season total to twenty 379 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: uh that is tied for the third most in the NFL. 380 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Nine takeaways and twenty four were the fewest, so major 381 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: major upgrade there. Their fifth and defensive EPA per play, 382 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: fifth and most pressures in the league. So they've done 383 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: a lot of good things there under their defensive coordinator. 384 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done a really good job. And DJ, you 385 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: can appreciate this. He's a guy who got to start 386 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 2: off like coaching in high school coach of Don Bosco 387 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: in Jersey. He's a Jersey guy. He understands it as 388 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: you are closer to the pro game, you understand that 389 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: these guys are just big, grown up high school players 390 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: like they need that same level of accountability and connection 391 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: to be able to succeed. And the best thing that 392 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: he has done is he's really connected with the team. 393 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: And I will say this because I find it to 394 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: be uncommon or rare that when you have pro players 395 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: talk about playing hard for their coach, that is not 396 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: a normal NFL thing. But that's the vibe that I 397 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: get when I talk to the players pregame, postgame, and 398 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: that they talk about how man coach has done a 399 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 2: really good job. We just want to play so hard 400 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: for him. From x's and o's, I think he has 401 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: a great understanding of the strengths and the weaknesses of 402 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: the team, and he tries to put them in a 403 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: situation where the game is easy so they can play 404 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: fast and free. Against Tennessee Titans, what he did is 405 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: he took a look the first drive, they kind of 406 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: punched the jackson the moutf and then he settled in. 407 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: He is really good at making adjustments. And I know 408 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: we're living a time where people don't believe that people 409 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: make time adjustments or adjustments on the side line. But 410 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: absolutely people are making an adjustment because I've seen him 411 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: do it and he just has a really good feel 412 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: for this team. And people haven't paid attention, but Josh Einzellen. 413 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: In the last five games he has five and a 414 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: half sacks after being stuck on a half a sack 415 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: for the first part of the season. And it's just 416 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: being able to kind of tinker with things to get 417 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: it right. He has makes it being a really good 418 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and into showing that his team, his unit 419 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: put on on Sunday, was reflective of that. So I 420 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: want to see if you have a different version aster 421 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: a different example. 422 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: So I get asked the other day about you know, 423 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: what's the examples of a good culture, and I've I've 424 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: used that line that to me, it's how your little 425 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: tackle and how your bigs run. You know, when you 426 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: get oh Bacon and running things down, and you get 427 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: your little guys who either want to block his receivers 428 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: or who want to get in the mix and are 429 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: excellent tacklers on the other side of the ball, I 430 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: think that says a lot about your culture. The other 431 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: two things I've pointed to are just hats to the ball. 432 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: It's old school, but I mean, you know, it's like, hey, 433 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: everybody get in the frame. Make sure everybody's getting to 434 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the football. Is everybody running to the ball. And the 435 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: last thing I wrote down there was, you know, and 436 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: thinking about this and watching this tape every week, is Man, 437 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: the good defenses. I know Belichick's actually big on that. 438 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if people know this, but he's big 439 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: on on celebrate with your teammates. 440 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: Guys, go make a tackle. Hey, let's go pat. 441 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Him on the back, slap them on the butt, high fives, 442 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: like you celebrate other people's success. But there's an energy 443 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: and a collective excitement even when you're not the guy 444 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: making the play. And man, I think you see that 445 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: with some of the better defenses in the NFL. 446 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 2: Well, DJ, it really matters because like, that's if you're 447 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: being that's when you're being a good teammate. The good 448 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: teammate is happy to see his guy have success. It's 449 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: not oh, I'm moping in the corner and man, I 450 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: wish i'd made to play. If I made the play, 451 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: I'll be happy, but I'm not happy for my guy 452 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: that makes the play. That's what it's all about and 453 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: you know pro football is so tricky, right because you 454 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: have fifty three independent contract is that are really trying 455 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: to do their thing for their own, respecting their self, 456 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 2: their families or whatever, which still trying to get him 457 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: to buy into those values that you learn in Little 458 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: league about the team and we over me and the 459 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: collective over the individual. So it's a it's a real 460 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: tough dance that coaches have to kind of deal with 461 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to trying to get everyone to buy in. 462 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: But you're right, best coordinators, best coaches are able to 463 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: get that. And it's funny you were talking about Biggs 464 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: running to the ball, Little's making tackle and Anthon Kevin 465 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: Neilly has a saying that good things happen when you 466 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: run to the ball. The football guys reward people that 467 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: run to the ball, and if you just think about 468 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: the good defenses when you're running to the ball, the 469 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: ball pops up and it just lands. And the thing, 470 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: because look, the university brow is hustle. If you just hustle, 471 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: you have a chance to make things happen just running 472 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: to the foot. 473 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it firsthand, and the Charter game last week, 474 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the interception from Tony Jefferson. 475 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: But that ball he's in, he's in the middle of 476 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: the field. The ball is thrown to the sidelines. It's 477 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: a deep ball down to the sideline. He's never going 478 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: to get there in time to make a play on 479 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: the ball. So it's either going to it's just going 480 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: to be caught, or he's going to be out of bounds, 481 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: or it's going to be in a completion. But he 482 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: sprints over there, the ball gets Dante Jackson. Jackson pops 483 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: it up in the air and then as he's going 484 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: to the ground, he pops it back into the field. 485 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson picks it off and gets his knees down 486 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: right on the sideline, just because, like you said, good 487 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: things happen when you get to the football, even when 488 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: it looks like there's no chance, and you know what, 489 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: do you have a chance to make a play? 490 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it's funny, right, And it's one of the 491 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: things like because I obviously play attention to the charges 492 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: because your affiliation there, and I love what jesse Min 493 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: is doing to the defense, and I feel like so 494 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: much of what he's done to make them a better 495 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: defense are the simple things that don't really take a 496 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: whole lot of talent. Hey, let's just get lined up right. 497 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: Let's make sure everyone if we're supposed to be lined 498 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: up at eight yards and two yards inside of the 499 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: wide receiver, let's line up like that. Let's make sure 500 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: we don't let the ball flower hit. Let's keep everything 501 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: in front and rarely and tackle. If I'm outside leverage 502 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: and I'm still in the edge, make sure I keep 503 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: my house at all free. Everyone else is gonna come 504 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: running to the ball. So even if I miss, good 505 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: things don't happen. And I think when you boil things 506 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: down to those simple things and you harple them and 507 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: you get professionals to buy in, that's when we see 508 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: great defenses. I'm looking at Denver the other night. They 509 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: didn't have their best performance, but when I look at them, man, 510 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: a big part of why their success was how hard 511 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: they play. The same man. Same thing with the Houston Texas. 512 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking them, man, they are running to the ball. 513 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: They hit you with bad intentions. It's not an ex 514 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: and o's thing. It's really an effort thing that you 515 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: see from these top defenses. 516 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Houston thing is swarm, right, that's there. 517 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: That's their motto. They're gonna swarm, And I you know 518 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: there's something to it, man, I know. I was talking 519 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: to one of their coaches and uh, the Chargers use 520 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: the term and you'll hear Jesse Miner use the term 521 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: about block destruction like you be just you know, blocked 522 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: the st block. 523 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great visual word there. 524 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: And then the one that I heard out of Houston 525 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: from coach on their staff was like, oh, we electrocute blocks. 526 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: It looks almost like a bomb went off when they 527 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: hit blocks, man, like it is. They jolt people. But 528 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: that speaks to the overall culture that a lot of 529 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: these teams and these defenses have created. And it sounds 530 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: like the Jags have a good one there. That's a 531 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: massive turnaround from one year to the next. 532 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think when I'm learning, and I 533 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: know we've been like Jags in charge of Centric, but 534 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: I think the lessons apply everywhere. I used to think that, like, hey, man, look, 535 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: I've always believed that coaching matters, but I always felt like, 536 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: like guys kind of have it you put together a 537 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: group of people or whatever. But what I'm seeing particularly 538 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: in the last few years, coaching does matter in terms 539 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: of the demands you demand, and you don't relent on 540 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: the demands that you have. And look, we talked about 541 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: those simplistic things, those simple things that you need to 542 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: have to play good defense, but you have to demand 543 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: them every day. That's a demand it in practice and 544 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: if you don't, look, there's two ways to do it, 545 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: do it right or do it again. You just have 546 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: to You have to beyond that. But it takes a 547 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: lot of energy to do that. But you have to 548 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: beyond the details. And I think when we've seen these 549 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: great teams, just like we talked about offense lead the 550 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: Bears and Ben Johnson and how all of a sudden 551 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: the Bears are so physical and finishing blocks and finishing 552 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: runs and those things. Man, you get what you demand, 553 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: and I think is more prevalent in this league as 554 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: the league is getting younger. Once the coaches figured it out, 555 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: they get what they want from the teams, no doubt. 556 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: That was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to 557 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and 558 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: do more with your data. Try them for free at 559 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: withsaby dot com. I'm watching these edge rushers. For the draft, 560 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm walking, you know, knocking them out one by one, 561 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: and I'm I want to get your perspective on it, 562 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: because I always feel like I'm kind of going back 563 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: and forth on this thing when you're looking at the 564 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: different styles, which will see pure speed, you know, explosive 565 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: but maybe a little more finesse guys, and then you 566 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: see guys who maybe don't have that same get off, 567 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: but they're powerful, they're rugged, they can crush the pocket. 568 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of just how do you sequence these guys, 569 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, And it's hard for us on the media 570 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: side of things, because if I'm if I'm scouting for 571 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: the team that I call games for the Chargers, it's easy. 572 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: They want they want physical pocket crushers, edge setting guys. 573 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean Khalil mack Tully, Twuly Polo too. That is 574 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: their style. You go back to the Ravens for all 575 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: those years with Terrell Suggs, all those guys. They're heavy handed, strong, 576 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: powerful guys, Proanel McFee, you know, Matt Judahon, like on 577 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: and on and on and on, like rugged, rugged, rugged, rugged. 578 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: But I pulled up the Sack Leaders and I was like, Okay, 579 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to see what that looks like. And you know, 580 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett is in his own classification, he's everything, He's speed, power, 581 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I would classify Brian Burns as more speed. 582 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: He's second in the league with thirteen sacks. Micah Parsons, 583 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean he's got power, but man, it's a lot 584 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: of speed. You got to deal with their twelve and 585 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: a half. Daniel Hunter, I would say both. Josh sweat probably, 586 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: I would say both, but has got some power to him. 587 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Bonito is more speed, Will Anderson more rugged power two 588 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: a polo two power Byron Young, make sure there Aiden Hutchinson, 589 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, technician more than anything else, 590 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: but he's got power, is the main part of his game. 591 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: So I can go while Max Crosby, hero Landry Montes sweat. 592 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: Like there's all different flavors, all different styles. I don't 593 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: think we can definitively say, well, you always go power 594 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: over speed or speed over power. 595 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't think you can really do that. No, it's funny, 596 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: right because that's always been to debate, like which one 597 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 2: wins the guy that has the first step, quickness and 598 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: burst that can turn the corner, or the guy that 599 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: has the ability to power rush you and forth lift 600 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: you and do those things. I always go back to, 601 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: like my experience is like one playing with Reggie White 602 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: and also playing with Derek Commas, two different guys. In 603 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: Reggie White, you had the ultimate power player that could 604 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: run right through you, could long arm. Everyone knows he 605 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: had the club moving those things. Derrick Thomas was all 606 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: first step quickness, snap count, anticipation, burst and ben around 607 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: the corner, and both can be effective in their own thing. 608 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: I really think it's about being able to look at 609 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: the people and identify what are their signature moves and 610 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: trying to project how that signature move is going to 611 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: play out in the pro game. So like, if they're 612 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: a power player, are they obliterating people? And do they 613 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: have an effective counter to the power It gives them 614 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: at least two pitches that they can win. Same thing 615 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: with the speed rusher. Okay, if you're an up to 616 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: field rusher, do you have something else where it's an 617 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: up and under or Dwhite Freemi spin, But you have 618 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: to if you have two dominant moves. I don't know 619 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: if it necessarily matters stylistically how you get to it, 620 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: but I think you have to have two in the 621 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: bag that you can rely on. 622 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's also teams that are, you know, like 623 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: you're a blitz heavy team or you're a multiple looks 624 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: where you're going to be able to run a lot 625 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: of and then some of those athletic guys, you're going 626 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: to be looping him. He's going to get freed up. 627 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: And now all this speed plays really really well. It's 628 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: no different than like a receiver. We talk about some 629 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: schemes you know they really need and rely on the 630 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: speed portion of it, and other teams that prefer a 631 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: little more physical style. 632 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: So I think it's knowing what fits who you are. 633 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. 634 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: I think it's probably just a product of where I've been. 635 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: But I'm always going to just personally, it's going hard 636 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: for me to change. I'm always going to lean to 637 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: the power. I don't think power you're ever gonna be 638 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: disappointed with a guy who can crush the pocket and 639 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: who can set the edge. I think there's always going 640 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: to be a role for that guy. Now he might 641 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: not have sixteen sacks, he might be more eight to 642 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: eleven sacks, but I think it's just a dependable there's 643 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: a physicality to it that I like, you know, that 644 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: adds to your defense. So I'm always going to probably 645 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: lean that way, but I think that's just a product 646 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: of my experience. 647 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: It's funny, right, because I think it kind of depends 648 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: on what he is and who he is, and we 649 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: can talk about past rushes, then we're talking about a 650 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: complete player. I think if I'm leaning for the complete player, 651 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: I want the guy to has power because the guy 652 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: who has power is also going to be able to 653 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: theoretically set the edge in the run game. The speed 654 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: guy can run around on pass words downs, but he 655 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: also can create huge lanes all those downs when he's fool. 656 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: So I kind of want someone that is stout enough 657 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: to be able to do both. I do lean towards power. 658 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: I do. I think power has something that also ages 659 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: a more. 660 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: See with Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack is still pretty effective. 661 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think I think a power player 662 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: can age gracefully where a speed guy, once you lose 663 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: that first step and you lose that burst, he changes everything. 664 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: In no doubt, that was a fun I didn't want 665 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: to have that conversation with that. I think that's fascinating 666 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: We'll do a lot more of those types of discussions 667 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: as we get uh through the regular season and start 668 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: talking more draft. I want to remind you we have 669 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: an episode coming up on Thursday that'll be Greg McElroy 670 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: joined the show. Talk to him about all things college football. 671 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: In our next episode will jump into all these coaches 672 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: and all this change we've had in the college football landscape, 673 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that. 674 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: Again. 675 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: What a rookie draft coming up on the next one 676 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: as well. So appreciate you guys. We'll see you next time. 677 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: Right here on, Move the sticks.