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Speaker 1: one two. A little boy just celebrating his fifth birthday

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Speaker 1: goes missing. An all out search ensues to no avail,

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Speaker 1: and then the step mother unwittingly gets into the car

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Speaker 1: of a private eye hired by the bio dead Jonathan Hernandez,

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Speaker 1: and in the next hours, as they drive through back

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Speaker 1: back country roads, she Emily Glass leads the p I

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Speaker 1: David Marshburn to the five year old taught's body. She

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Speaker 1: walks free. Today, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Joining me now a

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Speaker 1: very special guest along with Dr Chloe Carmichael, Ashley Wilcott,

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Speaker 1: Pat Brown, Vincent Hill and Lee Egan, Lucas's father, Jonathan Hernandez. Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: it astounds me that you can even move forward after

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Speaker 1: those hours and hours. Emily Glass, your then love interest,

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Speaker 1: was in the car with the p I and leads

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Speaker 1: him to your son, Lucas's body. So much has happened.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen as Emily rides along Emily Glass with

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Speaker 1: p I David Marshburn. It's okay. The only thing you

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Speaker 1: Where's the I didn't little get so wrong? I didn't walk,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez. When Emily was in the car with the

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Speaker 1: p I driving for hours and hours telling her story,

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Speaker 1: where were you? I was on my way back to

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Speaker 1: New Mexico for work. Right now, authorities are investigating the

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Speaker 1: death the shooting death of a Kansas woman who leads

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Speaker 1: Marshburn to the remains of five year old Lucas three

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Speaker 1: months after he's reported missing. She ends up dead in

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Speaker 1: the home, Jonathan Hernandez. Many people are speculating Emily Glass

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Speaker 1: was overcome with guilt, but others suggest it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: suicide at all. What do you think happened? Jonathan, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't notice any unusual behavior from her that day.

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Speaker 1: And I tried to text her and she didn't respond,

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Speaker 1: Why you know, it's until the autopsy was going to

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Speaker 1: is should he, as the father, have known, Not that

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Speaker 1: she would kill the child. Nobody expects that from someone

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez, what about it? I myself have never witnessed

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Speaker 1: Emily killed herself just just the way everything looked, um,

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Speaker 1: You know what? That reminds me of Ashley Wilcott. It

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Speaker 1: human nature. I think that regrettably. Again, when there's a child,

430
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: especially a child who is dead, and the circumstances like this,

431
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like it's a made for TV

432
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: movie because you have a woman saying, I don't know

433
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: what happened. He disappeared, and then you fast forward months later, Um,

434
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know where the body is. The

435
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: story doesn't really add up, and then you have a

436
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: private investigator come in that I understand Jonathan assisted at

437
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: getting him involved in this case, and he gets the

438
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: mother to reveal where the child is buried in a bridge.

439
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: These are all facts that are emotional that get people

440
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: curious and interested, and it's human nature. Are you kidding?

441
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: It is human nature to kick when a person's down

442
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: and overstep every boundary and a lot of our society

443
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: to see what happened, and they think they have a right.

444
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: Thanks to reality TV, people think they have a right

445
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: to whatever the heck they want without regards to privacy

446
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: or individuals. Um, we actually did and experiment ourselves with

447
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: a sixteen inch measured device, and for a woman, a

448
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: petite woman, taking into account the length of her arms,

449
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: still very difficult to commit suicide even with just a

450
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: sixteen inch barrel. So that's going to be an issue, Jonathan.

451
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Have they questioned you as if they suspect you were involved,

452
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: not to the extent of, you know, the way the

453
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: scene looked, in the you know, manner in which the

454
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: gun was there, And I mean, obviously they've questioned me

455
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: as if I had anything to do with it, or

456
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: if I was over there earlier that night, or if

457
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: we were arguing or anything like that. Take a listen

458
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: as private investigator David Marshburne. Remember now he's got Emily

459
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Glass in the car and they're driving around. She leaves

460
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: him two baby Lucas's body under a bridge. Here Marshburne

461
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: is questioning her about how she found Lucas dead. According

462
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to her, now, I don't know what what Lucas like

463
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: when he when he passed away. Was on his back?

464
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: Did he throw up? He choked on his own vomit? Did? Um?

465
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Was he just did in his bed? Did on a couch? Uh?

466
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: He was on the bed there on the couch on

467
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: his side or on his back and his back? So

468
00:33:52,240 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: did you think he vomited and vomit You didn't, m

469
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: So he just died of a concussion. And it's okay, Okay,

470
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: you freaked out. I'm telling you you're gonna be fine.

471
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I see the way you're scared of Jonathan Son,

472
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: you and I both when we talked about what we

473
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: did yesterday, I noticed that you were a little bit afraid.

474
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: But what he would do to you? And you know what,

475
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't think nothing. I don't think he'd do anything.

476
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Have you talked to him about this? Okay? And how

477
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: do you want to break it to them? Do you

478
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: want me to or do you want us to do

479
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: it together? When we leave from the police department, once

480
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: all the bookings done and all we leave, do you

481
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: want us to do it together or do you want

482
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: how would you like to do that? Yeah? Joining me

483
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: right now having been on the scene and on the

484
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: case in the very beginning is crime online dot Com

485
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lee Egan. Lee. What I want to know

486
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: is the same thing everybody else wants to know. What

487
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: is the cause and manner of death? What's happening with

488
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: the autopsy on baby Lucas. According to Kate Swaven with

489
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the Forensic Science Center units in What's nothing yet. I

490
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: spoke to her yesterday. She said it could be a

491
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: couple more weeks. You know, Lee, I find that very unusual.

492
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: What is the hold up regarding the autopsy on five

493
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: year old Lucas. They get the autopsy first, but what

494
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're putting the toxicology results in with

495
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: the autopsy to make a complete package, and then once

496
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: the toxicology results come back here then they, at least

497
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: according to the d A, they do. They do plan

498
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: to tell the public what the results are. To Lucas's dad,

499
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: joining us our special guests, who has been fighting off

500
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: vultures and harpies seemingly feasting on this story at his expense. Jonathan,

501
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm so sorry about everything you've been through,

502
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like the weight of the world is

503
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: on your shoulders. And now not only have you lost

504
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: your son, the love of your life, you have Emily Glass,

505
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: who many believe killed him and discarded his body in

506
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, ends up dead. And now you,

507
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: according to many people not me, are under suspicion now

508
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: one thing leading to that suspicion is that you are

509
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: in and out of the home and allowing her, who

510
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: many believe killed your son, to stay in home and

511
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: having a text relationship with our conversations with her, and

512
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: acting like nothing happened. Life is normal when your son

513
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: is at the medical examiner's office. Okay, that's a problem

514
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Now all the suspicion is

515
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: on you, and that's got to be a huge burden

516
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: to bear. When you wake up in the morning. What

517
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: goes through your mind, It's it's very difficult. I mean

518
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, I've I've lost Lucas, and then shortly

519
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: after he was found, there was another tragedy that I witnessed,

520
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's very difficult. I mean, I have nightmares

521
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: some nights, and it's hard to sleep. I'm afraid to

522
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: go anywhere just because I don't want to be seen

523
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: or photographed or you know, talked about or looked that funny,

524
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: And it's it's a really heavy heavy weight to carry.

525
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: You said that you were having nightmares. What do you

526
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: dream about? A lot of times, it's that I'm trying

527
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to find Lucas, and I either sometimes I find him,

528
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and then sometimes I don't. And sometimes it's like I

529
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: saw him around the corner and so I run into

530
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: the corner and look around and there's nobody there. You know.

531
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: It's it's really tour many, you know what, Jonathan, I

532
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: want to tell you something I don't. I don't even

533
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: know if I've ever mentioned this before. For years, literally years,

534
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: I would have a similar dream about my fiancee Keith,

535
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: that was murdered just before our wedding, and it would

536
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: be that somehow I would find out he was alive,

537
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: that he had not been murdered, and I would actually

538
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: have an address like sixty thirty four, Okay, that's the address,

539
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: and I would be out and it would be kind

540
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: of foggy, and it would always be, you know, at

541
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: the end of the day when it's just getting nighttime

542
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: or nighttime, and I would be going from house to

543
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: house to house on foot and it would say six

544
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: thirty one, thirty two, sixty thirty three, sixty four thirty five,

545
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: and I would miss the address, and I go back

546
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: and go over it and over it, and then i'd

547
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: see a little alley and I think, oh, maybe it's

548
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: down this alley and I'd go down an alley and

549
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: that would be wrong, and then I turned out and

550
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: I would just look and look and look, and I

551
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: would never find him. I mean, there were so many

552
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: variations on that. I mean, Dr Chloe, is that normal? Well, yes,

553
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: Actually it is normal to have the unconscious want to

554
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: try to work out while you're dreaming through dreams what's

555
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: not possible to process in the conscious mind. So there

556
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: are certain things that are too difficult to face in

557
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: the conscious mind, and the mind actually chooses as a

558
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: as a mechanism of self preservation to face these truths slowly,

559
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: and the first phase of facing them is through dreams.

560
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: And so that's why I can actually really understand Jonathan,

561
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: and you know Jonathan, of course, I mean, we're all

562
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: um terribly, terribly sorry for this tragedy. It's it's unfathomable,

563
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: and and that's why I actually think it's understandable that

564
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: it would be almost impossible to face Emily as as

565
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: the potential murderer at first, and so having just lost

566
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: your son and um to to suddenly also grasp that

567
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: the woman that you entrusted him to might have been

568
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the culprit. I can see where that would be something

569
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: that the mind would need to begin to face slowly

570
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: and in phases. Well, I think part of it is

571
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: um and of course I'm just an armchair quarterback here,

572
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: Ashley that it's so overwhelming that he's lost Lucas number one,

573
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: but number two. He loved Emily. He was engaged to her,

574
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: they were living together. She was, by all intents and purposes,

575
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: the stepmother to his children. He goes away to make

576
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: a living on a job where he has to travel

577
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: trusting her, and she, many people believe, killed him and

578
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: hid his body and then drag Jonathan through months of

579
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: torture trying to find his son with no idea what

580
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: happened to him. It's like a double whim me because

581
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the person that he trusted is the one responsible for

582
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Lucas's death. And I don't I can't speak for Jonathan,

583
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: but I would be overwhelmed by guilt because I feel

584
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: like it was my fault when it is not. In

585
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: any way. It's not his fault. It's Emily's fault, and

586
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind about that. But it's

587
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: just gotta be horrible to to wait up with that

588
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: burden every day. I agree with you, Nancy, And the

589
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: reality is people want someone to blame. And so now

590
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: that Emily is no longer alive, I think that people

591
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: in the public, unfairly unjustly, are going to want to

592
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: crucify Jonathan for his feelings for Emily, his love, for

593
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: feeling for Emily, the guilt he feels, the loss, the

594
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: grief that he feels for losing his son beyond his control.

595
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: People are going to attack that because they want someone

596
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: to be responsible. So on top of the guilt and

597
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: the grief that I can't even imagine Nancy having my

598
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: own children. I can't even imagine going through the grief

599
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: of losing a child, especially in this manner, and you

600
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: can't prevent it, and you didn't know what happened, and

601
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: here you are dealing with that grief on top of that.

602
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: Now he's going to be crucified, so to speak, not literally,

603
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: but figuratively by the public who want and are demanding

604
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: answers from someone who doesn't have them. We may not

605
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: understand Jonathan still caring about Emily, letting her stay in

606
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: the home. Hasn't anybody ever believed what they want to believe?

607
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: Hasn't anybody ever loved someone and looked over their faults.

608
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the circumstances were such that he

609
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: didn't know what happened, and he did not want to

610
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: believe Emily had a hand in Lucas's death. He just

611
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he could take it. John Nathan, tell

612
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: me about your daughter. You are fighting, You're trying to

613
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: find a new job in the area to try to

614
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: get your daughter back. What's happening, Yes, Nancy, I I

615
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: need to be around for her more than just in

616
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: town once a month for so many days. I need

617
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: to be able to be around for visits and any

618
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: medical problems that she may come up with at some point.

619
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: But I need to make her my priority, and especially

620
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: now that I'm her only surviving parents. You know, Jonathan,

621
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: whether I agree with you letting Emily stay there or not,

622
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: everybody's got to walk a mile on his shoes before

623
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: we throw a stone at him. We don't know what

624
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: he's going through. I can't even imagine being away from

625
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: home and I have to travel to and I hate it.

626
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: I hate every second of being away from home. I actually,

627
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: as you know Ashley and Lee and Jack and Allan,

628
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: I actually back Timon and count the hours I'm gonna

629
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: be away from the twins. I can't even imagine being away.

630
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: And they go missing while I'm gone and I find

631
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: out they're dead. That is what he has lived through.

632
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: So whether you agree with him or not about the

633
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: way he feels or felt towards Emily, that's really none

634
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: of our business. That's for him to work out as

635
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: he deals with Lucas's death. I want to help you,

636
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: Jonathan Lee. Tell me about the go fund me that

637
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: someone has created for Jonathan to help him as he

638
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: searches for a new job. Go fund me was started

639
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: by his mother because, as he said earlier, he went

640
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: back to the house. That's where he is right now.

641
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: He needs money to move. He's out, he's found a

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Speaker 1: work for I think he said around him month he's

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Speaker 1: there waiting to bury his son. The investigation still ongoing,

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Speaker 1: so he's out of work. He is in a homework

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Speaker 1: he wants to get out of but he cannot. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna eat first and last bunch, rents a moving trust, utility,

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Speaker 1: expenses all kinds of stuff that goes into movies, and

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Speaker 1: so his mother on his behalf. If she started to

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Speaker 1: go go fund me, to help him raise the fund

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Speaker 1: so he can can a first start for himself before

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Speaker 1: his daughter. You know I'm projecting right here, But Jonathan, Um,

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Speaker 1: after Keith was murdered, I dropped out of school. I

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Speaker 1: lost down to eighty nine pounds. I couldn't think, I couldn't,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't eat. I it was horrible. And if that had

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Speaker 1: been my child, God forbid, it would be ten thousand

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Speaker 1: times or worse. I mean, I thought I knew what

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Speaker 1: love was. I didn't know anything until I had a child.

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Speaker 1: It changed everything. Jonathan, your days have got to be

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Speaker 1: like a nightmare. When you wake up in the morning,

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Speaker 1: What is your day like? Yes, it's a I mean

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Speaker 1: it's an absolute nightmare. Um. You know, I still hope

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get a call every day to find

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Speaker 1: out what happened to Lucas. And you know, I worry

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Speaker 1: about my daughter. You know, she's okay. And at some point,

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Speaker 1: it's it seems like I'm living in a dream every

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Speaker 1: single day where when I wake up, I hope it's different,

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Speaker 1: but it's never different. It's always the same, and it's

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Speaker 1: always it's really really difficult to just even faint some days,

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Speaker 1: even take a shower, some days. You know, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the funny thing. You said that about a shower

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan, because after Keith was murdered, I I I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't wash my hair, I wouldn't take a shower. I

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Speaker 1: just sit on the front porch. I remember wearing Keiths

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirt that he had gotten for some Hawaiian get together.

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Speaker 1: And then when I would take a shower for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I just start crying and then I couldn't get out

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Speaker 1: of the shower. I remember it like it was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's what you said. Your conversations were normal,

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Speaker 1: but nothing is normal. Everything is upside down. Lee. What

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Speaker 1: what is his go fund me titled what is the

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Speaker 1: account for anyone wishing to help Jonathan Hernandez? It's called

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Speaker 1: Jonathan and Mia. You would go to go fund me

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Speaker 1: dot com BackFlash Jonathan, dash and Dashna and that's them.

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Speaker 1: I eight and Jonathan does not have the h is

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Speaker 1: j O N A T h A N dash and

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Speaker 1: dash Am I eight. As we await for justice to unfold,

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Speaker 1: to find out not only the autopsy results on Emily Glass,

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Speaker 1: the stepmother, but Lucas Hernandez, the five year old little boy,

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Speaker 1: as well, let me remind you to wait until all

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Speaker 1: As the dad Jonathan manages somehow to struggle to put

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