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Speaker 1: Casey O'Brien, how is it going, Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing just dandy. How are things in hot Lanta?

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Speaker 1: It's actually cold Lanta right now.

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Speaker 2: So what's the temperature that it's colder here? Minneapolis?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit, dude, it was last night was like

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Speaker 1: twenty ish.

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Speaker 2: Oh that is chili. That's chili.

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Speaker 1: And it was windy, and so the windshill said it

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Speaker 1: was actually ten degrees.

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Speaker 2: I see, that's yeah, that's quite cold. I'm sorry mock too,

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Speaker 2: it's like eight here. But this isn't a weather podcast, Millie.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? We have so much to discuss today,

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Speaker 2: so much important stuff to get into, including but not

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Speaker 2: limited to our film diary, where we'll get into all

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Speaker 2: of the movies we talked saw this past week.

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Speaker 1: We're also gonna dive into a subject. It's like to me,

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Speaker 1: it feels like a very interesting little pocket of maybe

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Speaker 1: film culture, sinophile culture that I feel like we need

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Speaker 1: to like flesh out a little bit, because sure it's

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Speaker 1: hotly debated between me and my friends, but I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about like seventy millimeter sixty five millimeter film,

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Speaker 1: like large formats imax. Yes, why somebody like me or

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Speaker 1: somebody like you would want to go and see Oppenheimer

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Speaker 1: in Imax totally and why my friend's typically grown when

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And this podcast is all about making your friends

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Speaker 2: feel bad because they don't have a podcast, So that

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Speaker 2: is one of the missions of this podcast. In addition

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Speaker 2: to the seventy milimeters chat, we are going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about The Hateful Eight by Quentin Tarantino because that

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Speaker 2: movie was shot on seventy millimeter and that came out

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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, ten years ago, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: crazy to think about at this point that is ten

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Speaker 1: Jesus, it feels like it was at least two days ago,

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Speaker 1: maybe three days ago.

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Speaker 2: Also, we're bringing on a great guest today in our

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Speaker 2: segment My Area of Expertise, Brian Sour He's the co

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Speaker 2: host of the Pure Cinema podcast and the Just the

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Speaker 2: Discs podcast. He's awesome. He's coming on to talk about

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Speaker 2: his area of expertise in the segment My area of expertise,

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Speaker 2: and his area of expertise is movies where the characters

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Speaker 2: are playing a game within the movie, sometimes dangerous, sometimes

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Speaker 2: just for fun. But yeah, I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 2: him talk about all of that. And then to wrap

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Speaker 2: things up, we're going to be doing our film advice segment,

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Speaker 2: where we, you know, answer a question from a listener

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Speaker 2: and give out the best advice that we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, stay tuned. It's gonna be a good episode,

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Speaker 1: and this is your favorite podcast. Dear Movies, I love you,

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Speaker 1: and I've got to.

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Speaker 3: Love me to check the box.

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Speaker 5: Yo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to Dear Movies, I Love you. My name

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Speaker 1: is Millie to Cherco.

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Speaker 2: I'm Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're gonna host this thing for you today.

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Speaker 1: I actually am excited by pretty much everything about this episode.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to Brian. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to get to our chat. But I feel like we

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Speaker 1: should dig into I have like a like we always

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Speaker 1: have I watch something again, very contentious, very contentious, and

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Speaker 2: I'm here, let's jump in.

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Speaker 3: Creek.

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Speaker 1: That's me opening my old film diary that I bought

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Speaker 2: Crack it open.

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Speaker 1: So let me put the easier ones at the top.

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Speaker 1: How about this? Okay, I had kind of a crazy

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Speaker 1: First of all, I I wrote, I was writing an

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Speaker 1: the god River Phoenix. We've talked about many times on

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Speaker 1: River Phoenix's character is a marine. He's about to go

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Speaker 1: And that was actually pretty fresh for nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Fucking well.

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Speaker 2: We could we could dedicate in a whole episode, two,

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Speaker 2: But is that all? Is that? Is that your film diary?

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Speaker 2: And maybe you can explain exactly what seventy millimeter is

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Speaker 1: So it's like, as as a film person, if you're

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Speaker 2: Yes. Famously, Christopher Nolan of Oppenheimer and Inception fame only

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Speaker 1: And maybe this is all like really granular shit for people,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's fascinating. Like I I like the

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Speaker 1: idea that people shoot on film. I like the idea

435
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Speaker 1: that people choose to shoot things in bigger formats because

436
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Speaker 1: it is more of a spectacle. And I think that

437
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Speaker 1: that's what ultimately I mean about the notion of seeing

438
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Speaker 1: something in a seventy millimeter format is that it is

439
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Speaker 1: a spectacle and it feels like more of like a

440
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Speaker 1: thing to go see in a movie theater.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, So that's kind of what we're talking about today.

442
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Speaker 2: We're not going to get into like the specifics, like

443
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Speaker 2: the differences of like what why seventy millimeter is better

444
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: or worse than thirty five milli ate. It's more that

445
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Speaker 2: like these big budget, these big forma added movies become

446
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: much more spectacular. They're like you have to go to

447
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: the theater. And I think the Hateful Eight, the reason

448
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: we're talking about that movie today is because when that

449
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: came out ten years ago, crazy, it was a big production.

450
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: There was like a whole party around that movie being

451
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Speaker 2: in the theater, and it's like you had to go

452
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Speaker 2: see it in the theater, you.

453
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Speaker 1: Know, right, And like the thing that.

454
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Speaker 2: You know.

455
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Speaker 1: Is the thing about Tarantino, Quentin Tarantino, the director of

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Speaker 1: The Hate Late, is that he is a fan of

457
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Speaker 1: that kind of I don't know what to call it,

458
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: just like that kind of like the the filmmaking tradition,

459
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Speaker 1: like the bit like using sort of the old I

460
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say old timey, but like sort of

461
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: the old techniques to bring them back. He obviously loves

462
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: like an old school vibe, and so you know, he

463
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: when he was making The Hateful Eight, you know, obviously

464
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: he had it's a Western. He was thinking, Oh, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it be cool to do like a road show release

466
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Speaker 1: of this film in seventy milimeter. And that's what I mean.

467
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Speaker 1: A road show is more or less the event, the

468
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Speaker 1: event of seeing a seventy milimeter film. There's usually and

469
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Speaker 1: this used to happen back in the day in classic Hollywood,

470
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Speaker 1: where it would be it's like usually a longer film,

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Speaker 1: so there would be like an intermission in between in

472
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Speaker 1: between sections, sometimes an overture, you know, like so things

473
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: before the film, music before the film, music during the

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Speaker 1: intermission that kind of almost kind of like in a

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Speaker 1: theater vibe, like an old school theater vibe of like having,

476
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, a movie, but then there's like stuff before,

477
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: in the middle and after, right. Yes, And when I

478
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: heard that this was happening, I was like, oh, this

479
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: is awesome, because it doesn't happen often because it's again

480
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: I think you could argue, is super expensive and super

481
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's a big undertaking, which is

482
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Speaker 1: why a lot of people don't don't really tackle it.

483
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: But that's the thing I think that gets people. Certainly

484
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: my friends that I'm like that are like, oh god,

485
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: you really want to go and do the whole shebang?

486
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: You want to go see Oppenheimer and Imax or where

487
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: you have to drive all the way to the actual

488
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Speaker 1: Imax theater that we have here, which we're lucky to

489
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Speaker 1: have here, which is like an hour away. Yeah, Like,

490
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: can't we just like go and see it at Regal

491
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Speaker 1: or whatever?

492
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: And I'm like, can't we just watch it on our phones?

493
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

494
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: But then you're like and it's you know, sometimes a

495
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Speaker 1: lot more expensive and you have to like fight, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: sometimes the screenings are not every hour on the hour.

497
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Speaker 1: In the case of Oppenheimer, they were selling out really quickly,

498
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: so we had to like be strategic about it. And

499
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: some of my friends were like, dude, what the fuck,

500
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: why are we doing this so dumb? Like, but when

501
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: you see it in Imax, gonna understand r.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a big thing with Oppenheimer. It was

503
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Speaker 2: hard to see it, Like you were saying, I had

504
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: to go see it at like nine pm on a

505
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: Wednesday or something insane, and it's like a three hour

506
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: long movie and that was tough. But uh, yeah, it was.

507
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Speaker 2: It was hard. It was an event. It's what it was.

508
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: It was an event.

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Speaker 1: It was an event, and I I love that stuff.

510
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Like That's the thing is that I just I think

511
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Speaker 1: I like the pomp and circumstance. It's kind of like

512
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a special edition box set or something.

513
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you could buy the regular DVD of

514
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: it or the regular Blu ray, but if you're gonna

515
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Speaker 1: get like the booklet and the cool you.

516
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Speaker 2: Want the little essay.

517
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Yes, you want the special features. You want the cool

518
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: design of the packaging that's different from the standard. So

519
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, I like a little pomp

520
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: and circumstance and.

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Speaker 2: Totally let me just I just want to read some

522
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: seventy millimeter movies so people kind of get the sense

523
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: of what we're talking about, like the types of movie

524
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: that these are. Yes, please, Lawrence of Arabia, Patton, can

525
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: you imagine George C. Scott in front of the big

526
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: American flag. Oh Canna Heiney. That's seventy milimeter two thousand

527
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: and one Space Odyssey, the Sound of Music. So these

528
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: are big, big ass movies, right. You know.

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Speaker 1: So if you're out there and you're with a group

530
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Speaker 1: of people that are suggesting that you see Ben hur

531
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Speaker 1: you know, crop like four x three pan and scan

532
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: on a black and white television in a nineteen seventies

533
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: wreck room, yeah, I would say, Okay, that's fine, but

534
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: try it in a try it in the better way,

535
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Speaker 1: the way that they intended to make it, you know

536
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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I want to get into the hayfil eight a little

538
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: bit here, sure, So Halfil eight it is about a group.

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00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: This takes place post Civil War in Wyoming. It's a

540
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: group of bound hunters and strangers who find themselves stranded

541
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Speaker 2: in a blizzard at Minnie's Haberdasherie. And some people are

542
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: not who they say they are. Kurt Russell plays a

543
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: bounty hunter who has kidnapped Jennifer Jason Lee Daisy Dahmergue

544
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: who's wanted for murder, and he's gonna see her hanged.

545
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: And they but they have to stop at Miny's haberdasherie,

546
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: and he's trying to protect his you know, investment, to

547
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: get the money for the reward, and there might be

548
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: some people at Mini's haberdash tree that want to see

549
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: her set free. And yeah, so that's basically The Hateful

550
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: Eight came out in twenty fifteen, written and directed by

551
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Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino. I guess my question for you, Millie. First off,

552
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: maybe this is an unfair question. Do you think this

553
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: movie needed to be shot in seventy milimeter?

554
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I want to say that because I actually

555
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: think it is like the snowy scenes, the big you know,

556
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: pickuresque mountains. Yes, I feel like fuck yeah, like go

557
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: for it, Like I don't know. To me, I love

558
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: a Western, big fan of a Western, and I love

559
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: like a big sky, big desolate one person in the

560
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: middle of nothing feeling. So I think seventy millimr is

561
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: right for that obviously evokes that sort of sense of

562
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Speaker 1: bigness and yeah, isolation.

563
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: I guess my thing. It's I I don't disagree, but

564
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: like seventy five percent of this movie takes place inside

565
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: a cabin and it feels almost like a play. And

566
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: so then I'm like, I want to see that. I

567
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: want to see them mountains again. Maybe that's a stupid

568
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: criticism of a movie, but I just thought it. It's

569
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: kind of funny that we have the most expanse of

570
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: huge format used on a movie that takes place indoors

571
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: for me.

572
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: But then it pays off when you see a guy

573
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Speaker 1: like naked in the snow.

574
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: That's true.

575
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Speaker 1: By the way, can I tell you like I have

576
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: a Hollywood I was at a party, uh once a

577
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: while back when I was still living in LA and

578
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with my friend I can call

579
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: her my friend Alison Anders, who was a director, and

580
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: she is lovely and sweet and I became friends with

581
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Speaker 1: her over the years. She we were at a party

582
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: and she brought her date to the party, was a

583
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Speaker 1: guy in The Hatefully, and he was the naked guy

584
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: in The Hateful And with the minute he said it,

585
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: I streamed, like I screamed. And he was so cool

586
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: and nice by the way, like he was very friendly

587
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: and like we we were like all chatting and we

588
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: had like all vibe going on. And he then he

589
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: casually mentions that he's that character he plays Chester Charles Smithers,

590
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: and he has a very memorable. I won't give it away,

591
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: and I screamed in this man's face. I was like,

592
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, I cannot believe that's you. So anyway,

593
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: he was, and he was awesome. He was talking about

594
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: how awesome it was to work on that movie and everything.

595
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's just a little personal amazing.

596
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Speaker 2: Scoop.

597
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it was fun amazing. Honestly, this movie,

598
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: to me, I haven't. I haven't. Like there's a couple

599
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: of his films that I've returned to quicker than others,

600
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: and this one, for some reason, I kept. I think

601
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: it's just because I watched it in kind of the

602
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: best way possible that I felt like, Okay, well I

603
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: saw in the best way I could, and there's no

604
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: need to go back and watch it on a laptop,

605
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: like you said. But I definitely feel like it is

606
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: something to return to. I had this whole I remember

607
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: when it came out. I wish I still had this

608
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: in my phone. I was actually looking for it earlier

609
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: because I wanted to bring it up. I remember when

610
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: this movie came out. It came out like around Christmas

611
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: time in twenty fifteen. And if you do the math,

612
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: you will remember that that was like the next year

613
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: was an election year, and it was like the first

614
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, like what he was first on the scene campaigning,

615
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I was like internalizing all that

616
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: information and I for some reason came up with this

617
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: like wild conspiracy theory that this movie was technically about

618
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: like the voting public. Interesting, Like I looked at every

619
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: character and was like, oh, this this character is an

620
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: archetype for this type of person. The Michael Madison character

621
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: is like, you know, an LGBTQ voter. Well, and his

622
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: name in the film, his character's name is Joe Gage.

623
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: The name Joe Gage was he was a porn director,

624
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: like a gay porn Oh wow. So I was like

625
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: convinced that there was like secret political messaging in the

626
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: Hateful Aid, being like, oh, this is this movie, the

627
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: characters and movies are representing, you know, the people who

628
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: are going to be at the voting polls and like

629
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: all the different interests and everything. Anyway, Uh, I wrote

630
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: it out in the notes app in my phone like

631
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: a very detailed like conspiracy theory, and then I don't know,

632
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I lost it.

633
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: Damn. Sorry, sorry to recreate that for your sub stack.

634
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to.

635
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: When I first saw this movie, I guess I was

636
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: a little underwhelmed. Like I was kind of like, you know,

637
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: Quenton was on his kick of like historical movies. It

638
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: felt like it was kind of like Inglorious Bastards Jango

639
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: unchained hatefully, and I was kind of like, I guess

640
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: I had gotten a little tired. I was like, because

641
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: I loved Quentin Tarantina movies. I were set in the present,

642
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: but kind of like we're kind of anachronistic with the

643
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: past and stuff like kill Bill is very like seventies

644
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: and funky, but it's set present day and same with

645
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: like pulp fiction reservoir dogs, you know. And I was like,

646
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: so I was getting a little tired of that shtick.

647
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: And honestly, he's still doing that. I mean, Once upon

648
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: a Time in Hollywood takes place in the past too,

649
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like, I'm like, set a movie

650
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Speaker 2: in the present again and then just have these kind

651
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: of like fun allusions to the past. Don't like make

652
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: it all the past. So at that time, I was

653
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: just like Django n Chain was his previous movie, and

654
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: I was like, we were just in like a post

655
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: Civil war world. I don't really want to revisit this,

656
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: so rewatching it this time, I actually like enjoyed it

657
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: much more for what it is, just because I was

658
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: sort of tired of his stick at that time. Sure,

659
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed that it was all like set in

660
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: one location, that it felt like a play at certain points.

661
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: And it's just he's such an expert in like building

662
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: tension and like taking his time with dialogue. It really

663
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: does feel like a master making a movie, you know,

664
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Speaker 2: a master filmmaker so.

665
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Well, and like to that point too, like you know,

666
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: he has all these great people in his films all

667
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the time, and like, you know, honestly like love of

668
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: my cinematic life. Walton Goggins originally from.

669
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Speaker 2: This is the first time I met him. Yeah, I

670
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: don't know if I've seen him in anything before.

671
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: I had seen him in Walt Django. That was the

672
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: first time I laid eyes on. Although subsequently, after I

673
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: watched Django and after I watched The Hateful Late it

674
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: did start Justified, which is the effect series that he's

675
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: in with Timothy Yes, which is literally one of my

676
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: favorite TV shows of all show. Absolutely obsessed with Justified.

677
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: I have to do a rewatch, like every couple of

678
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: years because I just love love, the love my boys

679
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But the Yeah, so this is the thing

680
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: is that like I was like, oh, he's such a

681
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: good like Walton Goggins is perfect as that kind of

682
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: like Tarantino Western archetype if there is Yeah at this point, yeah,

683
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: because he's.

684
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: Like he feels like somebody, doesn't he feel like an

685
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: actor who would be in the sixties. Walton Goggins, he

686
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: kind of has that look. I don't know, there's something

687
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: about him that feels sort of like he kind of

688
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: goofy in a classic way.

689
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Well, and that's the thing is I

690
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: think Tarantino is really good at and this in this

691
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: movie in Haye Lene. I think it is like a

692
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: perfect example of it is the idea that he somehow

693
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: manages to find current actors that have this like character

694
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: actor vibe to them. That's very old school, right totally.

695
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: And I think it's because he's a sinophile. I think

696
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: he grew up, you know, obviously being interested in like

697
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies films. There's a lot of character actors

698
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: working in these in these eras, So I don't know

699
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: that's his talent for me really is to be able

700
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: to find like modern actors like Tim Roth, like you know,

701
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Speaker 1: Michael Madsen, you know, whomever, like Jennifer Jason Lee, Walton Goggins,

702
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: who are like you know, do they're interesting actors, but

703
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of more character on the character side,

704
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: which is well.

705
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Speaker 2: I think that's why some of Leo's bet Leonardo DiCaprio's

706
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: best roles are in Quentin Tarantino movie because he I

707
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: think at his heart, Leo might be a better character

708
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: actor than like hunky leading man.

709
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ohctor, I think that too of Brad Pitt, even

710
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: though yes, Brad Pitt too, I think that more of Leo.

711
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: I think ultimately, Yeah, I was just gonna say, watching

712
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: this movie came out in twenty fifteen, it is of

713
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: its time because and I hate I'm loath to say this,

714
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: but I think one of the weak links is our

715
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: good friend mister Channing Tatum.

716
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, how fucking dare you?

717
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: I just I was kind of like, he's a I

718
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: just feel like Quentin Tarti is so going to get

719
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: in these like grizzled guys, and then Channing, I don't know.

720
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: For some reason, I was like this is very twenty

721
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: fifteen that Channing Tatum was in this movie. Yes, and uh,

722
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think, and I love Channing Tatum.

723
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know if this was his spot. But

724
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: that's just me, you know.

725
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes he can feel a bit shoehorned

726
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: into things, like what is the Coen Brothers movie that

727
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: he was in? Or was he in multiple Coen Brothers movies?

728
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: Well, he's in Hale Caesar.

729
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe that's it.

730
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Speaker 2: I thought he was great in that though, because he

731
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: does a whole dance routine in that.

732
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's just that I want him to

734
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Speaker 1: be the center of it and I don't want him

735
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: to be on screen for a very short period of time,

736
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, I feel like, if you're gonna

737
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: use him, let him cuse him as you say, let

738
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 1: him cut him cook, let's see that big bubble butt.

739
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: No, we didn't even get to see that, and so

740
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: I feel like, I don't know, I just I felt

741
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: like we could have used somebody else in that role.

742
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, that's that's all I was gonna say. Well,

743
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: I felt it felt the little shoehorned. But maybe they

744
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: got extra funding because they were like Janning Tatum's in

745
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: this movie, yeah, well and liked show. Yeah.

746
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: To that point, I think to wrap to wrap up

747
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: our discussion today about these large formats, these like weird,

748
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: you know kind of traditions within you know, the movie

749
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: going experience. Try it. Like if you're like, if someone

750
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: who's trying to get you to watch something like this

751
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: to go drive an hour north into the suburbs to

752
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: watch something in Imax or something like The New Avatar

753
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, take it, take a chance, go up and

754
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, just go to get some snacks for your

755
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: little road trip and go up there and see it,

756
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, because honestly, it's like pretty cool. Like seeing

757
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer in Imax was insane.

758
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 2: Like I brought earplugs, yeah, because I was like, well,

759
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: the loudest movie I've ever been to.

760
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: Loudest movie. But was it thrilling? Absolutely? Do what I do?

761
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: You think I would be in the US thrilled if

762
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: I just see it and like, I don't know, normal

763
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: normal circumstances, normal theory circumstances, Probably not.

764
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: Don't you just go to the movie sometime and you're

765
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: just like, Wow, I love the cinema when you're in

766
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: when you're in the theater, it's just like, Wow, this

767
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: is enchanting, isn't this? I'm seduced by it.

768
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: To quote the rapper Vince Staples on his Instagram recently,

769
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: Uh huh Cinema you feel me.

770
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Love? That I could have been a title of this podcast.

771
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I know I should. We should have named it.

772
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: That amazing amazing. Well, that is all we have to

773
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: say about the Hateful Eight and seventy millimeter movies, and

774
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: that we said all that there can be said about it.

775
00:44:49,040 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: Frankly, I agree, Well, well, now it's time for what

776
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: we like to call my area of expertise, and we

777
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: have somebody who has an incredible area of expertise, wouldn't

778
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: you say?

779
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Uh huh? I certainly would, many many areas of expertise.

780
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: I also think it's great that Brian is going to

781
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: be on the show today because we're talking about a

782
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino movie and Brian does the podcast for the

783
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: uh you know, the Pure Cinema podcast, which is essentially

784
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: the New Beverly's podcast, and the New Beverly is a

785
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: theater in Los Angeles owned by Quentin Tarantino's Great Those Connects.

786
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: She owned those connections. Also, you know The Hateful Eight.

787
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: It's not a game movie. They're not playing a game,

788
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: but it does have sort of a clue gamy quality

789
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: to it. So I feel like it's very apropos that

790
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Brian's on this episode.

791
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I would I think you're talking about an all Somble cast.

792
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: Yes. Anyways, here's our conversation with Brian Sower.

793
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Okay, casey, folks, We've got a guest who I absolutely love.

794
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I insisted that we bring him on because it had

795
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: been a while actually since we chatted, and I was like, oh, Brian,

796
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I gotta bring Brian on the new podcast. But I

797
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: absolutely love this guy. Like he hosts a podcast with

798
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: his co host Eleric Caine called the Pure Cinema Podcast.

799
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: It is real cinophile shit. I like love it. I

800
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: love the deep dive if they do it for the

801
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: new Beverly Cinema in LA which, weirdly enough, on the

802
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: topic of Tarantino is Tarantino's Theater, one of his theaters.

803
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: I think he is too now right, Yes, but they've

804
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: been hosting this podcast for a long time. Great, great dudes.

805
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: And then he also does this other amazing podcast called

806
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: Just the Discs which is essentially like the quintessential home

807
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: video freak podcast for anybody that loves like physical media

808
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: like DVD, Blu rays stuff. He's your guru for that,

809
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: and so I I'm lucky to call him a dear friend.

810
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: Uh please everybody welcome Brian Sower.

811
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. What a gracious, incredibly kind intro.

812
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: Of course, straight from the straight from the heart. That

813
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: was not I wasn't. It didn't prepare at all. I

814
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: just said what I felt.

815
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: I love it.

816
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: I was I was hoping that maybe you would give,

817
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you would call it like

818
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: an elevator pitch or just some give me your philosophy

819
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: of why you think people should be buying physical media,

820
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of people that were probably

821
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast that are like, again, we talked

822
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: earlier about people who don't want to see things the

823
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: seventy millimeter in the movie theater, Like people were just

824
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: like why would I buy things when I can just

825
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: stream things? Like so, like what would you say to

826
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: a person that says that, or like, you know, just

827
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: give us your sort of like philosophy behind physical medium.

828
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I had a better I had notes.

829
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: I did something like this on your old show, and

830
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: I had better notes, so I'm gonna wing it here,

831
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, the basics are okay. One I think

832
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: the big one for me is it's I'm always about

833
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: the movies, Like, you know, I really like, I'm into

834
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: the features, and we'll talk about that in a second,

835
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: but like, I'm just really into the movies, and people

836
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: don't understand just how many movies are not available to

837
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: stream and likely never will be, and or there may

838
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: be available in some really crappy YouTube rip that.

839
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 4: Is almost unwatchable.

840
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: And you know I've done that, you know, But there's

841
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: just so much stuff that's not streamable.

842
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: So that's one.

843
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: I feel like there's just a lot of people who

844
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: are like I can watch anything. No, you absolutely cannot,

845
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: and you never will be able to watch everything.

846
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: And it's getting worse.

847
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 4: It is getting worse.

848
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Titles are being removed more and more as the years

849
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Speaker 2: go on.

850
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely seeing more of an emphasis on newer films,

851
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, the last twenty years, what have you, and

852
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff from two thousand and before,

853
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: I feel like just starts falling away as we move forward,

854
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: and I think it's only going to continue to do that, honestly,

855
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: because I feel like the algorithms then grab onto the

856
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: stuff that people This is just a theory, but they

857
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: grab onto the stuff people watch, which is going to

858
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: be more newer stuff because that's what's available. And so

859
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: then that stuff kind of just continues to perpetuate itself

860
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: and the old stuff gets left behind because the algorithms

861
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: don't grab it or whatever, you know. But so that's

862
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: one and for my show, for Pure Cinema, we're just

863
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: that this also, but we're always about trying to dig

864
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: out like the lesser scene stuff. We really want to

865
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: champion that. So so that's a big part of the

866
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: show is how do we watch and find these less

867
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: seeable movies And a lot of times it means getting

868
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: a disc or something like that, and so that's that's

869
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: a big part of it. Like I just there's so

870
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: many movies out there for people to discover, and I

871
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: want people to know, like you can't stream everything and

872
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: you're missing out on a lot of good stuff if

873
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: you only It's like right away, a couple things come

874
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: to mind, Like there's a movie called Payday that I

875
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: absolutely love with rip torn yea as a country yeah,

876
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: country western singer. It's only available on DVD right now.

877
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: It's not even on Blu Ray. But like it's not streamable.

878
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: I don't think it's on YouTube, and YouTube is so

879
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: unreliable because stuff gets taken down there all the time,

880
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: you never know.

881
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: But so that it just looks so bad. It doesn't

882
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: so many that's just like unwatchably bad.

883
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and let's talky. We'll go to that site.

884
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: Normally I would go to the feature second. But while

885
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: we're talking about visuals, like, there's a lot of compression

886
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: in streaming. And I'm not like so video snobby that,

887
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: like I I watch a lot of stuff streaming. My

888
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: kids love streaming, they've grown up with it, you know,

889
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: so it's not a big deal. But if you want

890
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: like uncompressed, you know, really beautiful transfers, I mean, you

891
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: can watch a movie that's available on you know, digital

892
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: and Blu ray, but the Blu ray might be a

893
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: new Oh. This is one thing that's happening a lot

894
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: now is we're getting four k's and Blu rays where

895
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: they're going back to the original camera negatives and retransferring

896
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: to films. So look, the best they can, and I

897
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: don't know for sure that the studios then take those

898
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: masters and put them on streaming. I think sometimes they

899
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 3: use old masters. I think a lot of times these

900
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: new masters are exclusive to these Blu rays and four k's,

901
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: and they look great. They look better than ever, they

902
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: sound better than ever. The audio is not compressed, if

903
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: you're into that, and I mean, again, I'm not mister

904
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: video audio file, but I really do think that that

905
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: presentation helps a lot. So that's another reason to get them.

906
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: And the other big one is that the supplements. You

907
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: get commentary tracks, you get interviews, you get context, especially

908
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: about movies that are maybe a little tricky these days,

909
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: maybe have some problematic elements about them that you know,

910
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: could turn people off just from watching them. I think

911
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: sometimes it's great to have a little context that allows

912
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: you to appreciate the time and place they come from

913
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: and what was going on at that time, and just

914
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: I love to hear behind the scenes stories like how

915
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: did this happen? And you know, there's so many great

916
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 3: film scholars out there doing commentaries and great interviews available

917
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: with filmmakers and people that were involved in those films

918
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: that it really brings up the experience. It makes it

919
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: more enriching in some way, and I think you miss

920
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: out on that if you're just streaming it, you know.

921
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 4: So those are the three basic bullet points for me.

922
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: Just switching gears here a little bit. We brought you

923
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: on to talk about, you know, physical beauty is obviously

924
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: an area of your expertise, but we all also want

925
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 2: to talk about, you know, in the film world, what

926
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: is your area of expertise. What is a something within

927
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: the world of film that you feel like You're like,

928
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: I kind of have the corner on this. I know

929
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: I can. I can teach a university level class.

930
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 5: On thus today. Well, by the way, this was a

931
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 5: thank you, Yes, I would do. This is a tough

932
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 5: This is a tough topic. Actually, I was I was

933
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 5: looking at and I was like, oh my god, what

934
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: do I pick for this?

935
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: I I like, I mean, the big thing is, obviously,

936
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: if you listen to Pier Centere, we talk about all

937
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: kinds of cinema.

938
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 4: We loved all kinds.

939
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: Millie.

940
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: You were talking about documentaries on one of the shows recently.

941
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: I absolutely door documentaries. I could have done something on that.

942
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: But this is actually kind of going back to the

943
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 3: video store in terms of the origins of this kind

944
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: of thing for me, and it's movies about playing a

945
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: game where the characters within the movie are playing a

946
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: game of some kind and the goal within the movie

947
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: is to win the game, or you know, to participate

948
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: in such a game, and I was really drawn to one.

949
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: The other BHS cover that I could have mentioned is

950
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: a movie from Buena Vista, Disney called Midnight Madness, which

951
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 3: is a big favorite of mine, big nostalgic pick.

952
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: It came out in nineteen eighty.

953
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: It was I want to say it was either the

954
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: first or the second PG rated Disney movie after I

955
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: think The black Hole, but I could be getting that wrong.

956
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: Maybe The black Hole is G and it's the first PG. Anyway,

957
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: It's kind of a raunchy comedy, definitely. The artwork is

958
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: spinning off of something like Animal House, and it's all

959
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: about a college campus wherein this like super nerdy guy

960
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: has picked out five I think five different people, like

961
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: there's a and they're all archetypes. You know, there's a

962
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: sorority girl, there's a jock, there's nerd. There is a

963
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: sort of an everyday every man guy played by David Naughton,

964
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: and then there's this rich jerk played by Stephen First,

965
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: who of course was in Ani Whiles, and he sort

966
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: of pitted them against each other and wants them to

967
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: play this game called the Great All Nighter, and it

968
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: is kind of like a scavenger hunt, except you it's

969
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: La based and they're going around La solving different clues

970
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 3: that lead to different locations that lead to different clues

971
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: to locations, trying to get to the finish line. And

972
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: this is one that my sisters used to rent a lot,

973
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: especially my little sister. We rented a ton as a kid,

974
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 3: and so it became sort of a family favorite.

975
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 4: It's totally goofy.

976
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: Movie, and if you watch it now with fresh twenty

977
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: twenty five eyes from people our age, you probably would

978
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: think it's really stupid. But it's just a movie that

979
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: I really enjoy. It's got a very young Michael J.

980
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: Fox in it, and it's just a lot of fun.

981
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: So I started to notice that there's a lot of

982
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: movies like this that generally the eighties was a strong

983
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: period for this stuff, but it's really not limited to that.

984
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: So there were things like I mean, you know, well,

985
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: I mean one of the big ones that people will know.

986
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: Is is David Fincher's movie The Game, which comes out

987
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: in like ninety seven or whatever, and that's a different

988
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: kind of like hitchcocky and you know, fully immersive game

989
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: kind of thing. But you know, there's other things like Tag,

990
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: the Assassination Gang and Gotcha. I put in both because

991
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: a very I also love movies that respond to weird,

992
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: very short trends. And there seemed to be some kind

993
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: of trend on college campuses and then early nineteen eighties

994
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: where they were playing these assassination game games where that

995
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: you would hunt people on campus and you'd shoot them

996
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 3: with darts or, in the case of Gotcha, paintballs, which

997
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 3: seems like a really bad idea, and you were that

998
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: was just something that was going on apparently, and so

999
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 3: you know, a couple of different studios made movies based

1000
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: on that. And then you have things like you know,

1001
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: Cloak and Dagger, which sort of opens with role playing

1002
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 3: games and it's very game centric. And then one that

1003
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: I mentioned to you off Mike, but I love is

1004
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 3: and this is back in the seventies. This is a

1005
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 3: movie called Last of Sheila, which is, as you.

1006
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: Mentioned, Casey.

1007
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: It's written by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony Perkins, who were

1008
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: famously big fans of putting on game nights like not

1009
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: quite murder mystery, but that kind of thing. And so

1010
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: that movie in particular is it's also a big favorite

1011
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: of Ryan Johnson's. If you watch it and then you

1012
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: watch Glass Onion, you can go, oh my god. And

1013
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: same thing with Knives Out. He definitely mentions it as

1014
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: an influence in that. But it's about a rich producer

1015
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: who's bringing a bunch of his Hollywood type friends on

1016
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: a cruise and they're playing sort of a murder mystery

1017
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 3: game that kind of goes real dark and people start

1018
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: actually dying, and it's really cool. It's a great cast,

1019
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: and I absolutely love it. And you know, there's just

1020
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: a so I made this letterbox list and then you know,

1021
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: so you have all these games, but then you have

1022
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: like race movies like Deathrays two thousand, Gumball, Rally, Cannonball.

1023
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: Those are their own sort of subgenre within the game genre,

1024
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: and there's just a ton of these that you can

1025
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: find and watch and they all have sort of different

1026
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: stuff going on with them. But it's just something I

1027
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: kind of like the idea of giving the characters in

1028
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 3: the movie an objective and you're watching them play the game.

1029
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: It's kind of fun to watch.

1030
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: I love. Yeah. I love this type of movie as well,

1031
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: and I particularly like, like you put in a lot

1032
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: of the fun ones in there, but I really like

1033
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: the ones that are like you have Cube, which I

1034
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: love Cube from nineteen ninety seven, and that's like people

1035
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: trying to figure out a game or puzzle that they're

1036
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: in or they will be killed, yes, which is also

1037
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: like the Escape Room movies, yeah, which is all your

1038
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: Escape Room is on here? Also, or a movie like

1039
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: Battle Royality.

1040
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I should have put that on here.

1041
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: That's that's a bad film. Battle Royal is a Japanese

1042
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: film from two thousand and it's essentially the Hunger Games.

1043
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: It's before The Hunger Games came out, but it's a

1044
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: movie where a class of high schoolers have to kill

1045
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: each other off in a competition on an island. It's

1046
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: kind of set in a freaky future. But that's another

1047
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: one where they're like killing each other that I really

1048
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: I love that movie, and I also love like there.

1049
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: There's this Edward Furlong movie called brain Scan or he

1050
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: has to play a video.

1051
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 4: Games that's a whole other almost sub genre.

1052
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost was loves to bring that one in there,

1053
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: because that's not like a whole other category.

1054
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: I like that movie too, but but it does open

1055
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: up a can of worms of like video game movies,

1056
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 3: which is kind of another thing, but but does fall

1057
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: into the game movie.

1058
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: Category also, so it's tricky.

1059
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I this is a fabulous list. There's some

1060
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: I definitely need to check out.

1061
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 5: Well.

1062
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: And then there's the whole like most dangerous game genre,

1063
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: So have things like Hard Target Surviving the game Open Season.

1064
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: These are all movies where you have humans being hunted.

1065
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: Turkey Shoot is kind of that to the Brian Trenchard

1066
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 3: Smith movie, So there's that genre. There's just all kinds

1067
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: of fun, silly stuff like that, you know. Yeah, even

1068
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: something like Quintet, which is a notoriously hated movie even

1069
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: among Robert Maltman fans, but I kind of like it,

1070
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: which is all about like this post apocalyptic, you know,

1071
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: snowy universe where people play this game that's kind of

1072
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: like backgammon, but it's like the thing to do at

1073
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: in that time. And I, again, my game movie fandom

1074
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Speaker 3: makes me actually kind of like Quintet too.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I also loved when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: and it really scared me was Jumanji, which I think

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00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: is actually a Disney movie. Yeah, but that was like

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00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: it would the idea of playing a game for your

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Speaker 2: life is like sort of scary.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me pose this. This is this might

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Speaker 1: be like two nuanced of a conversation. We'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes. So would you make a distinction between a

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Speaker 1: movie like a game movie like the Last of Shila

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Speaker 1: or maybe Death Race or whatever, and then something like Saw?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think, ah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, how did because you're right and.

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Speaker 2: Some reason that didn't even come to Saw feels like

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: so different for some reason I didn't even like. And

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Speaker 2: I was just saying, how I love movies where they're

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Speaker 2: playing a game to like survive, but that feels.

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Speaker 1: That's like a rude Goldberg type of thing. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: to me, where I'm like, I just Saw. It's obviously

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Speaker 1: not fun loving and you know, it's it's definitely not Cloak.

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Speaker 4: And Dagger or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, I was just kind of curious about

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Speaker 1: like those types of movies, like, Brian, do you like

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Speaker 1: I don't even know this is kind of a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a side, but have you watched like Squid

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Speaker 1: Game or something like that, like.

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Speaker 3: You know what, No, I haven't really And that's one

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Speaker 3: thing I you know what, I miss out on a

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Speaker 3: lot of because of all the movie watching for the

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Speaker 3: shows and I this is a constant thing I have

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Speaker 3: with people, is I miss out a lot of you know,

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Speaker 3: the really big TV shows, you know, like just haven't

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Speaker 3: seen them because for one, like I'm always late to

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01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: the party and I feel like I miss the big

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: cultural conversation unless I'm doing it at that moment, So

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Speaker 3: I miss out. This is just a minor aside about

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: me and TV. But so yeah, so I haven't had

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Speaker 3: a chance with Squid Game yet, but I mean I'm

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01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: intrigued certainly. But yeah, there's something there's something a little

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: different about it is a little nuanced in that I'm

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: trying to think how to articulate it because it's not

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Speaker 3: like some of these other game movies where you're fighting

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Speaker 3: for your life. They aren't the odds aren't stacked against

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Speaker 3: the players. But in Saw in particular, I feel like

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01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: they almost don't even have a chance, like it's they do.

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Speaker 3: But like it's really much more about watching them be

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Speaker 3: killed than it is about watching them solve the puzzles.

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Speaker 3: Whereas I think the game movies I'm talking about we

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: want there's a little bit of us. It's like, oh,

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 3: they can't reasonably do it, and we want them to

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Speaker 3: do it, and I'm not as into them getting I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: I like, you know, movies where people get killed as fine.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying I think there's a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a difference in terms of like, but it is subtle,

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the SAW challenges too are like you

1131
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: have to chop off your own leg to survive, and

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Speaker 2: so you're not like you're making a sacrifice, like you're

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: coming away very even if you win, you lose, you know,

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01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: where in a lot of these game movies, even the

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Speaker 2: ones where you're like doing it for your life, you

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01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: can win and walk away. Kind of yeah, like that,

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01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: like it seems like there is a possibility there's more

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Speaker 2: of a plausible way to win cleanly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I guess, yeah, maybe maybe that's a good way

1140
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: into it. Both of y'all have the right because I

1141
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: was like thinking, like CAUSAW to be is just so

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01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: like I'm like, like this is just too much like

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01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: and honestly doesn't even feel like a game. It just

1144
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: feels like, well, this guy just wants to do what

1145
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: he wants to do and you just have to you

1146
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: have to be there while he acts. Is like dumb

1147
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: crimes is dumb.

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01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: Well his whole thing too, which is an I'm a

1149
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: bit of a saw apologist and Saw X. You get

1150
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: to learn his like mindset a little bit more, and

1151
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: he it's all like, I'm not doing anything. I'm not

1152
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: killing them. They're they're killing themselves, like I'm not. I'm

1153
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: not a murderer. I invented this game and I put

1154
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: them in this game, but like they're doing it. It's

1155
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: not me, you know. So it is about punishing these people. Yeah, yeah,

1156
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: that is more about punishing them.

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that is almost the key thing is

1158
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: it's about punishment and not the game itself.

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 4: It's really about messing these people up, whereas.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the game movies that I love tend

1161
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: to be more about the game and and and maybe

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01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: the guy who person who's creating the game doesn't want

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01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: them to solve it and makes it difficult, but there's

1164
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: still you still feel like they.

1165
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 4: Have a chance, and it's not about punishment.

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: There's like a level of like sports personship or something.

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, some kind there's a commissioner, commission honor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do think you would if you like I

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: do think squid Game. I've only seen the first season.

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: It is good, okay, and it does within these category

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01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: that we're that would fall, like the category that is

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Speaker 2: in your letterbox list. It's like more like cube.

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Speaker 1: I think, Brian, I think you'd like it. It's pretty violent,

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: that's cool. Then you know, it's obviously like South Korean,

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: so it's cool. There's cool actors in it, and like

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01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: I saw the whole thing. Like my mom had actually

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01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: seen every single episode during the holidays, and I was like,

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: how have you seen entire the entire run of Squid Game?

1179
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: And I haven't. She's like, it's good, So she watched

1180
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: it again with me. We Binge watched it. It was

1181
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: it's really entertaining.

1182
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: So amazing. Uh, Millie, did you have anything else to well?

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01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: No, I just wanted to, like, you know, shout out

1184
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: Pure Cinema podcast as well, because to me, I think

1185
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: that podcast is just such a great like it's just

1186
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: like I know that like you and l Rick are

1187
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: just incredibly smart and intelligent about movies. I know that

1188
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: you know our friend Phil Blake and Ship, who is

1189
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: the you know, basically an employee at the New Beverly

1190
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Speaker 1: Cinema who comes on very regularly. I mean, it's like

1191
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: like being with the three of you guys is like

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Speaker 1: being It's like being on like inside the NBA or

1193
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: something like.

1194
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Speaker 4: Like you guys are.

1195
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: Like Shaq and Charles Berkley and you know, and Kenny

1196
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: and I'm.

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Speaker 7: Just like the earnie guy that just sits there and

1198
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Speaker 7: enjoys everything.

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Speaker 3: So Millie, I should say, Milly, is I think you know,

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Speaker 3: with an upcoming calendar.

1201
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Speaker 4: Record we're gonna do h.

1202
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Speaker 3: I think she's a most returning his guests.

1203
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 4: She's she's been on.

1204
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you've been on like four or five times,

1205
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: and I don't think we've had anybody on. Karazuski's close,

1206
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: but I don't think I think he got a beat,

1207
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: especially with this new calendar.

1208
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, because we are.

1209
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Speaker 3: One of our favorites, like you you totally like always

1210
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: bring it and always I've loved your programming and your

1211
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: cinematic taste for years, and so you're like the absolute

1212
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: perfect fit for our show. And I do appreciate all

1213
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 3: the metaphorical basketball compearances.

1214
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Speaker 4: It's pretty pretty kind, to say the least.

1215
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: I have to say. It's you know, everybody knows I

1216
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: like basketball, so there was the only comp that I

1217
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: could think of.

1218
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 4: But it really does. I'm honored again.

1219
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I would encourage everybody, especially if you're really

1220
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: into like finding out about, you know, just kind of

1221
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: stuff that's off the beaten path, stuff that's just like

1222
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: not really like you know, out there a lot of

1223
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: times to watch, you know, kind of with any kind

1224
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: of regular larity or you know, I just think that

1225
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: that's your real your talent is to find movies that

1226
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: people aren't really talking about as much and kind of

1227
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: elevating them. And I mean that's what The New Beverly

1228
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: does too, And it's programming and so, I don't know,

1229
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: it's a great podcast and it's really fun to listen to.

1230
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: So everyone check that out.

1231
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Speaker 4: Please, so kind, so kind, Thank you so much.

1232
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: Love love love that Brian Sower.

1233
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Speaker 2: He's great. It was so great. I mean, I it's

1234
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: one of those things where I'm like this could go

1235
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: on for nineteen more hours because there was just so

1236
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: much I wanted to talk to him about. And he

1237
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: talked to us in front of like a wall, a

1238
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: wall of physical media. I was just I was so

1239
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: impressed with his collection.

1240
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like his wall. I mean like my rink

1241
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: eating two shelf scenario is just like puty compared to

1242
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Speaker 1: his collection.

1243
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: So this is like the Beauty and the Beast library.

1244
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if he has like the giant rolling ladder

1245
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: that you can, yes, like in Carl Lagerfeld's house or something.

1246
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 4: But we love Brian.

1247
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: We were so Bloody was on and yeah.

1248
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, next up is our film advice segment. That

1249
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: is where people send in their questions asking for our advice.

1250
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: And we have a voicemail today and we're we're really

1251
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Speaker 2: the experts to give out advice in this very specific

1252
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: regard movies. I don't know if anything I could give

1253
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: advice in any other category or anywhere else, but this

1254
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: I think we can give out some good advice. So

1255
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: we've got a great voicemail, so let's listen to it.

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Speaker 6: I'millian Casey. This is Lee first time listener, longtime voicemail

1257
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 6: leaver just kidding. I love the podcast everything I could

1258
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 6: hope for in a virtual film frend, so thank you

1259
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 6: for that. My question is, how do I sound more

1260
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 6: knowledgeable when I talk about films because a lot of

1261
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 6: my favorite parts of films are not the big thing.

1262
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 6: So it's not like the monologue or the actor. It's

1263
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 6: a little intimate moments and I find them very hard

1264
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 6: to describe and why I like them so much. So

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 6: I just know, like, what's a good way to learn

1266
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 6: the lingo? I got some film textbooks, but it's like

1267
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 6: a big data nump, but it's hard to reconcile the

1268
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 6: terms with what you're actually watching in a real film.

1269
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 6: So where's a good place to start just to learn

1270
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Speaker 6: about techniques or what shots are called, or what camera

1271
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Speaker 6: movements are called, things like that, just to better describe

1272
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Speaker 6: the little things in films.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, love you guys. Oh Man, Leah, what

1274
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: an incredible question I could. This is such a good question.

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: A lingo question.

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Speaker 4: This is so funny.

1277
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Speaker 2: Yes, does anything come to mind?

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01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'll speak from my own experience. Right less, you're

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: lucky enough to like go to film school or have

1280
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: a job or be on set type of thing, right

1281
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: because a lot of that is it comes from talking

1282
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: to people who are are like working in film or something.

1283
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 1: To me, like, there was so many things about film

1284
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: that I learned the techniques for when I was either

1285
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: at my job at TCM, on set that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: But I will say another good way if you're like not,

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to do it like that, you

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Speaker 1: just want to like watch some I would say, watch,

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Speaker 1: like especially cinematographers go on YouTube and watch interviews with

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Speaker 1: like Roger Deakins or you know whomever. You know, people

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Speaker 1: who were kind of like a little bit more technical

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: like directors obviously, but honestly, like cinematographers, lighting people like

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Speaker 1: a lot of times those crew members give a lot

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Speaker 1: of info on either their own personal websites or on

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: their YouTube channels or on podcasts like film podcasts that

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Speaker 1: they do guest spots on, and it's a little bit

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: more you know, they're thrown around the you know booms

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: and the you know, steady cams and the rigs and

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: this and that, like they're using the terms a little

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,799
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah, And so I don't know, from those points,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I've picked up enough of like

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: their vibe to where I kind of like, oh, well,

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: that's what they call that thing, or you know, rack

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: focus is this or whatever, versus like going and formally

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: studying it, like taking a test on it in school,

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: which is what I've also done. But I'm just saying,

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: if you don't want to go that route, I would

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: just listen to interviews podcasts with working film professionals. Really right, Yeah, My.

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Speaker 2: Number one advice keep listening to deer movies. I love

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: you from affinity. That's the big thing. You're gonna learn

1311
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: everything you need to know about movies on this podcast.

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01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: Number two, I think you know. I just want to

1313
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: encourage you to not feel bogged down by not knowing

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01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: the lingo. I think lingo and proficiency of skills is

1315
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 2: a tool that men a lot of times like to

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 2: use to put down people who aren't as experienced or

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: to gate keep in certain situations. So I have been

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: victim of that as well, where they're like, you don't

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: know what that means, You're stupid, And it's very easy

1320
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: to feel that way, and so it's a bit of

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01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: a losing game to feel like I need to learn

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01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: a certain amount of lingo in order to fully appreciate

1323
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: or to fully feel like my opinion is valid or

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: that I'm you don't want to share your opinion because

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: you don't know the right words to use, you know,

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: but that's not true. You have the right vocabulary in

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: you already, So don't feel like you need to be

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: chasing after this imaginary thing. I will say, just like

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 2: learning film stuff, I would say commentaries is really fun

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: and like because that's the whole thing. It's like you

1331
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: don't want to like you just say, like in your question,

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: you don't want a data dump. You know, you can

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: like look up these terms, but that's like boring. I

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: would say, like, watch film commentaries on movies that you

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 2: really like and are interested in how they were made,

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: and you'll naturally absorb it that way. I'm reminded of.

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: So my this is a big tangent I'm about to

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: go on. My uncle was a very successful printmaker and

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: a lithographer. He worked with a lot of artists in

1340
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: New York like Andy wa Warhol, Robert Rauschenberg, Jasper John's

1341
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: and he was working with them in printmaking. And he

1342
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: was a very close friend with Robert Rauschenberg and my

1343
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: grandma visited Robert Rauschenberg's studio in Texas and visited my

1344
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: uncle one time, and Robert Rauschenberg asked my grandma which

1345
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 2: of his paintings she liked, and my grandma goes that

1346
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: one and he goes, why do you like that one?

1347
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: And she said it's blue, And he said that's as

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 2: good a reason to like it as any, so that

1349
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: your opinion is valid and you don't need to know

1350
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: the terms. Guess what I'm saying. But maybe that's not

1351
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 2: where you're asking, But I would say, just don't be

1352
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: discouraged if you don't know every you know technique.

1353
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: And why am I saying that every time you've mentioned

1354
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: a female member of your family it is the greatest story,

1355
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: Like between your grandma and your mom. I'm like, I

1356
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: love these savage queens that are all over your family

1357
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: timeline and like, what the hell what can they be

1358
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: on this podcast?

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, sadly, my grandma Burrel has passed away, so she

1360
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: cannot be a guest on the show unfortunately, But maybe

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: we'll have my mom on Oh my gosh uh, creator

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: of chicks Picks at Mister Movies in South Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: That's good advice. Though, casey honestly, because it is like, like,

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: even though I just, you know, gave you like a

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: legit answer to solve your issue.

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: I did not. Your answer was good, good good.

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know, and that's why. But it's

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: also fine to be reminded though, that you don't have to.

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't like I don't. I might use

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: the terms, but I don't feel like I I don't know.

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm just such a godzilla stopping through all these motherfuckers

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, I don't care if I

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: don't anything or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember there's some story, do you know? You

1375
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: know the director Terrence Malick who did the movie bad

1376
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 2: Lands and Days of Heaven and The Thin Red Line. Yes,

1377
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: when he was directing his first movie, bad Lands with

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: uh Martin Sheen and Cissy Spasic, the cinematographer was like, oh,

1379
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: should we should we move in for coverage, which what

1380
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 2: he's saying is should we get some different angles of

1381
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: this same scene so you can edit it together and

1382
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: you don't just have one shot one angle that the

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: scene is shot from. And Terrence Malick goes, yeah, we

1384
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: can do that, but we should also get some other

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: shots and angles of the scene. So Terrence Malick actually

1386
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: did not know what the word coverage was on his

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: own movie that he was directing. Yeah, that's an incredible film.

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: So a lot of people use lingo as a way

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: to make other people feel little.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and imagine humiliating Terrence Malick. What are you a

1391
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: fucking asshole?

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I actually love that story.

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01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know that story.

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: Well, Leah, thank you for leaving that voice memo.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much.

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it. Casey, you want to like

1398
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 1: tell the people how to do it if they want to.

1399
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, please send in your questions for film advice right

1400
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: in to Deer Movies at exactlyrightmedia dot com. Or you

1401
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: like Leah, you can leave a beautiful voicemail and we'll

1402
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: play it on the show. So please do that if

1403
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: you're so inclined, keep it under a minute and record

1404
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: in a quiet space, just like our new friend Lea did. Yes,

1405
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: and we'd love to answer.

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: Them for you.

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Speaker 2: Millie. We're at the end of our show. It's time

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: for employees picks. Yes, what movie are you going to

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: recommend today?

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01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: Well? Okay, so this is kind of complicated this week

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: because we're advocating that you see seventy mili movies in

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01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 1: movie theaters. Yes, but if you want to watch something

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01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: that was shot in large format, I mean, I think

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01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: maybe not one hundred percent shot in large formatp at

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: most of it, A big, big portion of it. I

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: would suggest watching The Master from twenty twelve, Paul Thomas

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: Anderson's coded Manifesto on scientology. I don't know if that's

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01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: actually true. Actually, don't quote. Don't say that's not a

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01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: coded that's not researched.

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's I think it's pretty pretty.

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01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: It's like one to one. I don't.

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, see where it happened to play

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 1: a very similar looking l Rod Hubbard type.

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I think you're going out on a limb there.

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't listen. I don't fuck with scientologists, right,

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: I try to like.

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01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: To mess with them. I don't want to get you

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 2: know how. I don't want to get audited.

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to, you know. I don't want

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01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 1: to have people leafletting against me outside of my house.

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, a great movie. I need to revisit that movie.

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01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theater in the large format version,

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: so it was great.

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 2: Similarly, I am recommending a seventy millimeter movie that I

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: feel like, even though it's like one of the most

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 2: famous movies of all time, it gets slept on and

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: it is a more subversive movie than I think people realize,

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: and that is Lawrence of Arabia Uterotool, directed by David Lean,

1439
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 2: came out in nineteen sixty two. What I mean, this

1440
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: movie is so huge it needed to be shot in

1441
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 2: seventy millimeters. Yeah, it looks beautiful. I think about this

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01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 2: movie all the time. There is some queer speaking of coding.

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: There is some queer coded things going on in that

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: movie with Lawrence, and some BDSM things that are surprising

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: to see in such a mainstream film. Does it have

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: Alec Guinness playing a Middle Eastern person? Yeah, that's not great.

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01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: Like the the brown face that's going on in this

1448
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: movie is bad. Yes, And uh, if if that makes

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01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: you not want to see this movie, I understand that.

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01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: But it is a beautiful, breathtaking film and it's very interesting,

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: and it's very long, and it's huge and it's big,

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01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: and uh, if you haven't seen it, or you haven't

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: seen it in a while. I highly recommend checking out

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01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 2: Lawrence of Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is a little inside La Baseball. Do you

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01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: remember that business that was? I think it was on

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01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: Beverly actually, speaking of the New Beverly. It was called

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:42,440
Speaker 1: Lawrence of Librea.

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 2: Yes, is that like a lamp?

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01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: I think it was a rug store?

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: Dude, rug store, rug store? Yes?

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, that is fucking hilarious.

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 2: I you know, maybe at one time I realize that

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01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: that was a play on Lawrence of Arabia. But it's

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01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: so it's so far away from it's such a stretch.

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01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: It's like hard to.

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01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: Uh piece that together.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I love that it's clunky though, right. Don't you

1469
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 7: think it's funny that it's clunky?

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01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: It's so.

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Speaker 7: Change it ever, I just just I like that it's

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 7: just so dumb and funny.

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01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 2: H oh oh boy.

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Speaker 1: Well that's our show.

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01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: Wonderful Epp Millie, what a wonderful episode this was. Thank

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01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: you for talking about all this great stuff.

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Would you say it was our Do you think it's

1478
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: our nerdiest episode so far?

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01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 2: It might be our nerdiest episode, but hopefully made it.

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01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: We were people were interested and educated as opposed to

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01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: being horrified and turned away.

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01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: I think that we're we're decent. We're decent enough to

1483
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: like take these big, nerdy subjects and make them palpable

1484
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: to people absolutely probably don't have a shit, but I

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01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: that's what I love to do in life and in film.

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01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I hope you enjoyed it.

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: And thank you so much to Brian Sour for being

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: a guest on the episode today. Loved having him on.

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01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: Just a great human being. Check out the Pure Cinema

1490
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: podcast and Just the Discs his two podcasts. They're fabulous.

1491
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: And also if you want to see the game like

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01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: movies where people are playing a game, list to follow

1493
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: him on letterboxed at Rupert Pupkin. Some of you may

1494
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: know what that's a reference to, others figure it out,

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01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: look Rupert Pupkin. And then yeah, so thank you Brian

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Speaker 2: posting on there and it's fun. You can see what

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Speaker 2: we're watching and what we think about movies from the

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Speaker 2: past too. If you're like, oh, what did Casey think

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Speaker 2: about I don't know, Dead Ringers, Oh he loved it,

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Speaker 2: I should watch it. You know, you can see what

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Speaker 2: we've thought about in movies in the past too, So

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Speaker 2: that's kind of fun. But our letterbox handles are at

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Speaker 2: follow Well.

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Speaker 1: That is all for this week. Thanks so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: and we will see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production posted by me

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Speaker 1: Millie to Cherco and produce by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho. We love you.

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