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Speaker 1: to X ray Vision The Crooked Podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 2: Paper Girl trailer.

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Speaker 1: The trailer for Amazon Primes paper Girls dropped this week again,

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Speaker 1: an abdaptation from the comic series of the same name

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Speaker 1: by Brian Cavon illustration art by Cliff Chang. It is

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Speaker 1: a show about four paper delivery girls like twelve or

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Speaker 1: few The show comes out on July twenty ninth. I

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Speaker 1: was I thought the trailer looked fantastic. The color scheme,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what the people want. I am intrigued by this.

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Speaker 2: talk about Thoor like that. I'm a sucker for that.

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Speaker 2: Is like the most horrendous and vile crime in England

431
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: is like one of its absolute worst perpetrators. Like it's

432
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: so awful, and I just and it's it's kind of

433
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: it's really strange as well because like when at least

434
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: when I was in school, I don't think it's changed

435
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: very much. They don't really teach you anything about it,

436
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: like most feature anything country partition, and they don't. They

437
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: don't even do the version where it's like, well, at

438
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: least where I went to school, which was like a

439
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: very like poor working class neighborhood where there was people

440
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: from all over the world, like they a lot of

441
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: whom came there because of what England had done to

442
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: their countries during colonialism and like because of colonialism. But

443
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: like they didn't even do the version where they were

444
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: like we were like generous benefactors. They just like skip

445
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: over it because they know that even if you like

446
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: scrape the tiniest bit of it off. I think it's

447
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: like in that way, like Miss Marvel. By talking about

448
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: partition and kind of generally even broaching this period, it's

449
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: doing that thing that comic books have always done that

450
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: we love, which is like using a story to tell

451
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: like an analogous import shine of light on, like an

452
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: important moment in history. But instead of doing it in

453
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: a way that's analogous, they're actually just talking about it

454
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: and setting it during this time. And like the creative

455
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: team actually shared Bisha Ali, I saw share it. This

456
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: reading list they made, we can put it in the

457
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: show notes of readings on partition by all different kinds

458
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: of people's like so, and I think it's like a

459
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: really interesting, cool expansion of that where they're not just

460
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: saying like, oh, we wrote about this thing, you should

461
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: go and learn about it. They're like, here are the

462
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: things that helped us learn about it, and and now

463
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: you can't too. So I'm glad that there are stories

464
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: about this because yeah, just terribly.

465
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: There's gonna be there's gonna be a significant amount of

466
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: people who learn about this of this event and this

467
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: period of history in this part of the world because

468
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: of the show. And I think that is broadly positive.

469
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: And you know, partition is it is a it is

470
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: a subject of ongoing scholarship, like as you speak, like

471
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: it has been kind of overlooked both in the region

472
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: and and in the west in the region because it's

473
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: such a painful topic with like a lot of a

474
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: lot of bad history attached to it. Yeah again, like

475
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: millions died during this extremely violent and chaotic like event,

476
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Like it was bad.

477
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there's been really good This is

478
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: like a really nuanced topic, like anything about this. So

479
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: there's been people who've loved this version of part of

480
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: the way Miss Marvel has represented it and feel like

481
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: it's super representative and bringing this like moment I've forgotten

482
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: moment in history to life. And there's been people who

483
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: don't feel like it's actually representative of their experience at all.

484
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: So that's the notion of all of these things, right, Yeah,

485
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: it's the two sides of trying to tell this huge

486
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: story in like a thirty minute episode.

487
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that too before we get back to

488
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: the recap, because this is another thing I've been thinking

489
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: about a lot, which is Yeah, on Reddit and elsewhere,

490
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: there's all these threads that are like basically being like,

491
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a bigot, but miss Marvel just doesn't speak

492
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: to me. Here are the reasons why which and listen,

493
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: certain people like things or they don't like things. There's

494
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: yeah wrong with that. I will say that. I will

495
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: say that, like, and I'm not trying to speak for

496
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: the uh Pakistani or Indian fans of the show or like,

497
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, pop culture fans in general. I'm speaking as

498
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: a as a person of color who loves nerd shit.

499
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: It it feels a little like, uh, it feels a

500
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: little weird when people are so loudly like, well, it

501
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: doesn't speak to me. Considering like you know, as a

502
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: as a again as a nerd, as a nerd of color,

503
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: like you just know you I have to growing up

504
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and watching shows including now you basically have to eat

505
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: what they make you, you know, like there's no choice.

506
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: And so as when you were talking about like how

507
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: the kind of obliquely talking about like the steaks for

508
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: fans like who are looking to see their experiences mirrored

509
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: in this show and are either satisfied or disappointed. I

510
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: think that that is it. Just when there are so

511
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: few opportunities to see something like that, all of a

512
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: sudden it carries more weight. Like if this was like

513
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: Peaky Blinders or something right and it's stiffed and people

514
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: were like, well fuck it, I don't you know, I

515
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: don't really care about like early twentieth century Anglo Irish

516
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: like Mafia Shiit Gang, people would not there would not

517
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: be an uproar from the community that is looking to

518
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: see themselves reflected in that Anglo Irish story, because guess what,

519
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: You're going to get a million other Anglo Irish stories

520
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: like you could go fucking watch Boondock Saints or something

521
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that's or departed you know, like

522
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it's there's a million things, but you know right, yeah,

523
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: It's like listen when when crazy rich I've told this

524
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: story before, I'll tell it again, crazy rich Asians came out.

525
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, Okay, I did. I the theme,

526
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: the story is subject matter very very rich people doing

527
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: very very rich shit. It just doesn't speak to me.

528
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: It's not my thing. At the same time, not knowing

529
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: when we would get another major Hollywood budget movie starring

530
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: Asian people, and in fact it would not be until

531
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: years later Shangchi the legitd of the Ten Rings, I

532
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: was like, not, I'm not going to be out there

533
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: being like, you know, fuck this movie. I don't like it.

534
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I was just not going to do that now, was

535
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: I like not speaking my mind? Yeah? But also like,

536
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: those are the those are the kind of issues that

537
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: you have to weigh when you're just not used to

538
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: seeing yourself or your stories reflected in the broader pop culture.

539
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the I think that's a

540
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: really interesting and very very true balance we all strike.

541
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Speaker 2: I have yet to watch a Marvel movie focused solely

542
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: around a solo female character that I have enjoyed or

543
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: that has spoken to me I was not a fan,

544
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: particularly of Captain Marvel, and I was not really a

545
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: huge fan of Black Widow. But you know, I love

546
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: the MCU and there's twenty five movies or whatever and

547
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: a million TV shows, so I can find different things

548
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: that do speak to me. But again, I wasn't out

549
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: here like boo Captain Marvel because you realize, you're like,

550
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: it took them ten years to do this anyway, it's

551
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: and the way that they're doing it, Like sure, I

552
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: would have rather that it was a Monica Rambo movie

553
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Like that, to me is the movie I wanted to see.

554
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be stoked that this means a lot

555
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: to people.

556
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it's just like the fullness of one's chest

557
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: when announcing that this a certain thing that stars, you know,

558
00:33:53,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: a South Asian cast that is culturally Muslim religious, you know,

559
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: based on very very uniquely based and heavily based on

560
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: Pakistani culture, the Muslim religion. To then go, well, thiss

561
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: isten speaking to me, It's just I'm not saying little.

562
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it.

563
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying also, I'm not saying it's a dog whistle. Yeah,

564
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: but I am saying that I think that it is

565
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: very interesting to see the stories that that is said about.

566
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: Nobody's like, oh, Captain America doesn't speak to me because

567
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't given a super soldier serum and turned into

568
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: a super soldier. No, it's like, this doesn't speak to

569
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: you because most likely you're very used to being catered to,

570
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: and that actually is I think that these stories they

571
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: don't need to speak to you because there's so many.

572
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: But also if the best thing about them is if

573
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: you let yourself open up, maybe it will speak to it.

574
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it just give it as a universal story exactly.

575
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's kind of it's like, uh, if

576
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: if you're if we all live in this massive house together, right,

577
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: and there's one hundred pictures of the wall, and a

578
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: hundred of them are like people that look like you,

579
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: and then we change it so that like five of

580
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: them are people that don't look like you, maybe you'd

581
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, let's slip that's still. But then

582
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: if we get to like say ten or fifteen pictures

583
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: out of the hundred, now all of a sudden, people

584
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: are like, well, let's pump the brake. We don't want

585
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: to change this over and I think there's a lot

586
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: of that going on, not just about this show, but

587
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: in the broader culture. Okay, back to the train station

588
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. It is a fucking mess, as one

589
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: would expect. Aisha, Hassan, and son Up push their way

590
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: through the crowds, but Aisha gets a feeling that something

591
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: is amiss and she looks and she sees Nagama through

592
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: the crowd, so she breaks off because she's afraid Najamen

593
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: is about to attack. What if my husband and daughter

594
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: are killed or innocent people are killed, And she goes

595
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: off to try and lure her away from her family.

596
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: She's speaking to her, but then Najman's like, I don't

597
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: want to hear it and stabs Aisa and then walks off.

598
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: She's like, my what the fuck? She takes advantage of

599
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: the chaos. I mean, there's one place you can stab

600
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: someone and walk off stab as brutal walks off.

601
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Hassan has lost track of his daughter in this

602
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: boiling massive refugees, Aisha is dying. She's looking at a

603
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: photo of her and Hassan and sona like standing in

604
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the field, and she says, what you seek is seeking

605
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: you and then the Bengal glows and drops to the

606
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: ground as Aisha is losing her strength. And in that moment,

607
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: as the Bengal hits the ground, the portal opens, which

608
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: we saw open elsewhere in present day Karachi, and Kamala

609
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: arrives in nineteen forty seven. She finds her great grandmother dying.

610
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I used to thinks Kamala is actually adult. It's not

611
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: her daughter, and it's unclear actually that she actually gets

612
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: who she is as she's dying, but she in her

613
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: final moments asks Kamala to save her family, and then

614
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: she dies. Kamala finds her grandmother her infant grandmother in

615
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: the crowd and is about to use her light powers

616
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: to get them to walk above the crowd so they

617
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: can get to the train. When there's like a they're

618
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: disrupted for a second, and the sna we see is

619
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: infatuated with the light and can control it in some

620
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of way, is playing with it in a way

621
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: that is unique. Kamala is looking on at this in amazement,

622
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: and this light show allows Hassan to find his daughter.

623
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: He sees the glow and he guts over to it

624
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: and he finds her. We're going to talk about what

625
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: this means for time travel in a second. Then the

626
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: bangle glows and Kamala is transported back to present day Karachi,

627
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: where a portal is opening to the newer dimension. Here

628
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: is Nadama that she's about to watch her plans come

629
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: to filment. They're about to be able to go home,

630
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: but as the Clandestines touch the veil, they die. One

631
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: of one of Najama's number, Furia touches it and turns

632
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: to bone and ash. Kamala tries to shoot light at

633
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: the veil to close it. Red Dagger comes up, is like,

634
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: I'll help by evacuating, like all, there's a bunch of

635
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: civilians in the area. This took place, like in a

636
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: market area of Karachi. It starts evacuating people, and Kamala

637
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: is like you get to Nagama. She's like, you got

638
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: to help me close this thing. Like I understand, like

639
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: you want to go home all this stuff, but we

640
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: could we could lose everything, uh, And they have it

641
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: out right there, and then finally Najamas like, okay, I

642
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: get it, Like I agree, and I know how to

643
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: close the veil, and she steps forward and touches it

644
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: and she dies. Uh, and the veil seals just as

645
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: Nagama's powers are transferred across the world to comrad over

646
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: in Jersey City. As the veil closes, Weniva and Sada,

647
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: the adult elderly sonat walk up just in time as

648
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: it's all over. It's all over, and they show up

649
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: later a Snat shows Kamala pictures of her mom when

650
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: she was her age. Miniba was a huge fan of Bonjovi,

651
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: which we already know Sana, And there's this really like

652
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: wonderful mothers and Daughters seen generationally of Snat and Muniba

653
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: rebuilding their relationship through their relationship with Kamala, which I

654
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: just found to be wonderful. Like this is what this

655
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 1: show does well, is stuff like this, like really well

656
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: the I.

657
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: Too plays Manieba is just so brilliant, and like the

658
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: writing team does something. I really love this episode where

659
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: it would have been really easy to have this episode

660
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: introduce more conflict, but instead Maniba sees Kamala using her powers,

661
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: realizes what her mother's son was saying was true, and

662
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: just apologizes and then they're just like a team. And

663
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: I thought that was really nice because that's the right thing.

664
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: And Manieba is so impressed when she realizes that Kamala

665
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: is a superhero, which I thought was like really cute.

666
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: She doesn't tell her off or anything, She's just like wow,

667
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: and I just I really like that. And I think

668
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: this is like a very low key no one cares

669
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: about apart from me theory. But from the beginning of

670
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: this show, I thought they were establishing a space where

671
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: like Manieba would design Kamala's superhero costume. And I do

672
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: think after this episode that that's what we'll see next week,

673
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: which I think is just so cute.

674
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Another X ray Vision prediction, get ready else That one's on.

675
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: The low stakes, but full of heart, Full of heart.

676
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Back in Jersey City, Bruno is at work at the

677
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: store when camraon waylays him in the alley as he's

678
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: taking out trash. Korra's like, I need your help, and

679
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: the two of course make a very awkward pair uh,

680
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: camraon being Kamala's kind of crush, Kamala being Bruno's one

681
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent definite crush uh. And it gets even more

682
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: awkward with comfront admits that he thought Bruno's name was

683
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: Brian from he's been calling him that like a law.

684
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: I will say, like as a person who's bad with

685
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: names that I have done, I've got a system now,

686
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: but I've like had numerous encounters with.

687
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: People you are feeling represented where it's like, fuck, I

688
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: one hundred percent should know this person's name by it.

689
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous that I don't know it. And Cameras

690
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: I figure out how to figure it out.

691
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: In Cameron's defense, like every time they've met, it's been

692
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: like a life threatening situation, like trying to introduce his

693
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: immortal gin mother to Kamala, who man may not be him,

694
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: Like you know, Bruno, I feel like in this case

695
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: he could. He does a good job while he just

696
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: like makes a joke about it because I'm like, truly, Bruno,

697
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: get over it, and they just good for them.

698
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: They do get So they go up to Bruno's apartment

699
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and Camraan is like, listen, I need to stay put

700
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: because my mom needs to come back and find me.

701
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't know that Najama is dead. And as they

702
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: are just kind of discussing their next move, they look

703
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: out the window and they see one of those damage

704
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: control Stark drones like lurking outside and comeron uses his clan,

705
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: his new clandestine powers to knock the drone down, and

706
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: we are onto the season finale of Miss Marvel.

707
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: After the drone blows up the socle q where Bruno works.

708
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: So let's okay, here's my this is. We were talking

709
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: about this offline. Okay, So Endgame established an MCU time

710
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: travel structure, by which right, It's not like Looper or

711
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: the Terminator where you go back in time and if

712
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: I find past you and I cut off their hand

713
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, like back to the future,

714
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: your hand falls off or you know, or you fade

715
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: out of a picture. What happens is if you change something,

716
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: it starts a whole new timeline, and that timeline goes.

717
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: On unless you change it back, which is what happened

718
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 2: in Anger.

719
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: Unless you change it back. But even then we can parsel.

720
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: We can parse that because I think it's interesting to parse.

721
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: But so what happened here is is Kamala's grandmother's life

722
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: was apparently saved by Kamala, who time traveled back because

723
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: of the dropped Bango to nineteen forty seven to reunite

724
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: her grandmother with her great grandfather so that she could

725
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: be raised and then so her mother could be born,

726
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: and so then she could eventually be born and then

727
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: go back and say and then go back and save

728
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: it again. So the way it is implied in the show,

729
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: and the way that Marvel's official recap, written by Marvel

730
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: editor Rachel Page, makes it seem is that it's like

731
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: a back to the Future dominator style closed time loop

732
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: where Kamala has always gone back and will always go back,

733
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: and has always gone back. We would imagine infinite times

734
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: before this she has done this exact thing and nothing

735
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: can change it. Is it that or is it like

736
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: the endgame thing where she went back and either a

737
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: arted an alternate timeline. So Kamala one, the Bengal has dropped,

738
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: goes back through the portal, saves her grandmother. It's creating

739
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: an alternate timeline in which Kamala two does the same thing,

740
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: starting a new timeline in which Kamala three. You know, like,

741
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: is it that or is it still like endgame? But

742
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: because now here is where it gets this is a

743
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: little tricky. But like so in endgame, right that you

744
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: know the stuff that they stole they put back a

745
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: second later. Now I would argue that you're still changing things.

746
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: You're killing bacteria, you're serving things interest, the world is

747
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: still changing, you're countering people on the way there, maybe

748
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: somebody that is two seconds later. Yeah, like there's a

749
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, right, the timeline is significantly Like you're

750
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: playing with stuff and it's still remained the same, Right,

751
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: So maybe what happened. So the alternate version of the

752
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: endgame version is that Hassan was always going to find Sonat.

753
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: He was really not that far from her, right, he

754
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: was calling her name. He was always going to find her.

755
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: They were always going to get on the train together.

756
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: And this is the first time that Kamala has done

757
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: this thing where she goes back to the past. But

758
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: she actually didn't significantly change anything. She was just there.

759
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Nobody actually saw her except the grandmother who doesn't remember,

760
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: and so therefore nothing changed and no timeline was branched.

761
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: I think so, I think it is a closed terminate,

762
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: a time loop.

763
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: I also think I think that that is what they

764
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: intend for it to be.

765
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: I think it is, but I do think that so

766
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: I will say off the endgame, yeah might much of

767
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: many of us. I tried to understand the endgame time

768
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: travel logic. I wrote an I call Esquire breaking it

769
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 2: all down right, It is the very much and narratively

770
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: it's a duex Macinas style decision, like it's something they

771
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: created for the show that the Russo Brothers have regularly

772
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: changed or contradicted in like answers. Since so, I don't

773
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: know how like tight it is when you really think

774
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: about it, because like you said, like if you're taking

775
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: the stones but then you're putting them back, that allegedly

776
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: would stop the timeline and make it the same. But

777
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: how come then Steve Rodgers can go back and live

778
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: an entirely different life, entirely change the timeline. That doesn't

779
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: make any sense. Also, Steve, I got lots of well

780
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: about that choice, the same things that you didn't do,

781
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: But why will.

782
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: The same here? I will say that Steve one hundred

783
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: percent must have created another timeline.

784
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, absolutely question.

785
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: There's another timeline because of he was there for years.

786
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: Literally like ninety years, like and okay, so one thing

787
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: I will say, I don't know how this would work.

788
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: But if we look at the Infinity gems and when

789
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: the ancient one talks about it, I think they say

790
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: that they gems essentially they like stabilize the timeline that

791
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: they're in, right, and that's why you've got to put

792
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: them back to not separate off a timeline. What if

793
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: the bangle, in its artifact nature stabilizes the timeline, so

794
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: the fact that like it gets dropped and Kamala finds it,

795
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: that's the thing that always putting back. It's like, as

796
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: long as the bangle is the the thing that is there,

797
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: that timeline stays the same, even if it's like a

798
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: closed time loop.

799
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: I thought about that too, and I thought about, like

800
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: if that is what it is, and I think that

801
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: is heavily suggested right, Therefore it's this written in stone event,

802
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: Kamala is always going to do this. I think that

803
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: there's a world in which, like much like hiding in

804
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Apocalypse in the Loki Show, hides you from the eyes

805
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: of the Tva, there's a world which, like some time

806
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: traveling figure who one hundred percent wants to know the

807
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: safest place in the universe to hide out in or

808
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: to hide something, you know, because we've seen in comics

809
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: and various other stories where you hide, you know, you

810
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: you magically hide something, you can shrink it down, hide

811
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: it in a person you know, like or magically hide

812
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: it in a person. If you want to hide something

813
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: or or find out where the safest place like in

814
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: the multiverse almost is it is right next to Kamala Khan,

815
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: who cannot die time. She is immortal during this there

816
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: is no way that anything bad can happen. She is

817
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: unkillable during this time.

818
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: The thing I find most interesting about from her.

819
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Baby from being born, even her parents, like the entire

820
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: time that they come to the States, nothing can happen

821
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: to them that will stop them from having this child.

822
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: You could hide, you could hide some magically something within

823
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: their the forums that could never be found or destroyed

824
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: or anything, because they one must do this.

825
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing I find most interesting about this

826
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: choice is like one, I feel like it's like it's

827
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: really interesting and I felt like it was very evocative

828
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: at the end of last episode where we knew that

829
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: once she got there that it was gonna be her

830
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: the Trail of Stars, right, But like it does really

831
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: remove Kamala from the ground level superhero thing, which is

832
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: the which is what she always was was this kind

833
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: of ground level Spider Man style superhero. But what I

834
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: think is really interesting about this is like usually when

835
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: we see these stories, it's because somebody is doing something

836
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: to put that timeline in danger, which is like back

837
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 2: to the future, you're gonna be eraised, something's gonna happen.

838
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: That means you're gonna be erased, or you know, Terminator,

839
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: something's gonna happen, and you need to do something to

840
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: stop the timeline from being disrupted so you can still

841
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: be here to stop it. It's also the most recent

842
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: series of Umbrella Academy gets into this idea of like

843
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: a grandfather paradox for everything to keep going. What is

844
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: really interesting about this is that is not what happened

845
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: in this series. There was never a threat to it.

846
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: What we were seeing was just Kamala learn about it

847
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: for the first time, which is more of like a

848
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Bill and Ted logic almost. It's I find it very

849
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: interesting because it raises a lot of questions, and I

850
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: feel like they are questions that were probably like, oh,

851
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: we'll answer that in a couple of movies or something.

852
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: My hot take is that if it indeed is this

853
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: closed loop destiny thing, eventually they're gonna wreck on this

854
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: just because and this is like takes us out of

855
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: like the interior reality of the story and it's more

856
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: of like a taste thing for me personally, which which

857
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: is this negates Kamala's heroes journey and her agency. It

858
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: was always going to happen, So it kind of doesn't

859
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: matter any of the choices she made because she was

860
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: always going to end up in this place, Which is

861
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: why as mess and as kind of disx machine as

862
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: the endgame system of time travel is, I actually like

863
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: it because it makes the choices matter. Yeah, what you

864
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: choose to do when you go back in time actually

865
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: matters because you're trying to accomplish a goal that isn't

866
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: set in stone, that it's very in flux.

867
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: I think the argument. Okay, so this is like I've

868
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: been thinking about this lot because I think you're totally right,

869
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 2: and I also think it's there was a really great

870
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: piece that somebody at nerdiced. I think it was Mariam

871
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: wrote about the connection between Kamala and the Gin and

872
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: kind of like what that really means in Western storytelling

873
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: and the kind of Orientalist history of that kind of stuff.

874
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily love the idea that Kamala is the

875
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: one who gets the preordained history, the preordained fate it feels,

876
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: like you said, like it could take away some of

877
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: that agency. Well, I will say one, I'm very interested

878
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: to see what happens next episode because it feels like

879
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: every loose end has been tied up. So I want

880
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: to know.

881
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: I want to know.

882
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: But the one thing I will say, you know what

883
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: we see here that happens at the end that seemingly

884
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: we don't know if it would have happened before because

885
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: the big change here comes essentially Kamala. That the difference

886
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: in this version is that Kamala makes her family come together,

887
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: but with an honesty about and the truth of like

888
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: what happened, and Sna wasn't imagining things, you know, And

889
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: I think like that might be the journey that they

890
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: were on, which in a way again brings it back

891
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: to street level. But I do find it very interesting

892
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: because like maybe that happens in every time loop, maybe

893
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: they always end up there, but I think Sunna kind

894
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: of hints at the idea that they didn't. I also

895
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: think with any time travel story, and.

896
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: We talked it, there is really.

897
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: Every time travel story. Also, you know what every time

898
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: travel story. Anyone who writes a time travel story, this

899
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: is what they want you to do. Oh, they time

900
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: traveled and that's it. Are you to think about this

901
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: stuff any ever one you think about time loops or paradoxes.

902
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: It's like that. It's like that scene in Looper Ye

903
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Diner where the two versions of the same character like, listen,

904
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: if we start talking about how it works, We're going

905
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: to have straw wrappers as diagrams and we're gonna be

906
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: here for three hours. We're gonna go and it's like,

907
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: talk about it.

908
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: It's my favorite. Thing is like what's everyone's favorite? My

909
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: favorite is like, which kind of this is kind of

910
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: like it, but they don't get into the power of it,

911
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: which is like I like the Bill and Ted style,

912
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: which is if you know you can travel into the

913
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: future or the past, you can think of anything and

914
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: it comes true, and that kind of it's a self

915
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: fulfilling prophecy. So at the end of Bill and Ted,

916
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: they'll say like, oh, you know, we're going to trap

917
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: you in a cage and the cage falls down from

918
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: the sky. At the end of this, when we defeat you,

919
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: we'll be able to prepare this this and this I

920
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: like it. I like it kind of like you can

921
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: use it almost as a magical power, because anything that

922
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: you say you're going to do in the future, you've

923
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: already done. And this is kind of like that but reversed,

924
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: but we never really see the power impact. Yeah, I'm

925
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: so interested to see what happens in the finale because

926
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 2: I feel like it's either going to be very intimate,

927
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: which this show has kind of been but has strayed

928
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: away from in the last couple of episodes, Like the

929
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: first two episodes of this season are still some of

930
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: my favorite MCU. That's what I wonder.

931
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the big, big show down with damage Control. Yeah.

932
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: My hope for that this is not a theory, this

933
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: is a wish and I don't think it's gonna happen.

934
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: My hope for that is, like I hope that this

935
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: version of damage control just gets absolutely decimated at the

936
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: end of the finale. I do not like damage control

937
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: as like the MCU's version of like ice. I like

938
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: damage control as like weird. They're just like a building

939
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: company that fixes stuff after they get broken. I hope

940
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: that this.

941
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Is there is why I think that that is not

942
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: going to go I know, and why I think it's

943
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: actually a little interesting if I didn't love the way

944
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: they did it. In episode four, we now have robots

945
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: that look for powered people, run by run by a

946
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: government agency that is openly antagonistic towards powered people, to

947
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: the point where the rank and file are even just

948
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: shitty to to the people that they have in there

949
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: in their jails. It feels, I mean, we're like the

950
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: sentinels are here, like it's.

951
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always happen, okay, just like we already like here,

952
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 5: here are the here are the autonomous drones that are

953
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 5: looking for people.

954
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: They're doing it right now.

955
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you one. I think you're right,

956
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: and I think it's very.

957
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: I think this is the Sentinel. I think this, I

958
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: think merge and we get the Sentinel program.

959
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: St I think it's very like somewhere. I think it's

960
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: very likely that next week in the finale, here's the

961
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: outrageous prediction. But I think you're right. I think next

962
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: week somebody might even call it a Sentinel drone or something,

963
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: a stark Sentinel. Also, I'm going to ask you a

964
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: second question because this just came to my mind. It's

965
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: completely bonkers, but I feel like it's quite likely. Now

966
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: you've brought this up, so we know that all of

967
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: this misuse of Stark technology is going to play into

968
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: Armor Wars, right, but they have kept very quiet about

969
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: what Armor is going to be about, and we know

970
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: that Rody's going to be in it. But do you

971
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: think that if that's the case, Armor Wars takes on

972
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: a more important role in like introducing sentinels and the

973
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: notion of like X like X Men's style oppression of

974
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: powered people. And that's what Rody is fighting against is

975
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: the use of Stark Tech for Sentinel technology.

976
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that that's on the table. And I had

977
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: another thought about just as I was rewatching this episode

978
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: and being like, holy shit, like we're doing it like

979
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: these are I know it's very very very early days,

980
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: but this is basically what the Sentinel program is. We've

981
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: often talked, We've talked ad nauseum for anybody about how

982
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: could they do it, how they bring the dex Men in,

983
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: How is it going to be because of Westfield? Is

984
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: it gonna be because of because of the Blip? Is

985
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: it gonna be interdimensional? Are they already here or is

986
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: it magic? And I think there's a world in which

987
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: you program right using Star Tech you program these autonomous

988
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: robots who get smarter and smarter and smarter in learning

989
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: how to detect people, and all of a sudden they go,

990
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: oh wait, there's a bunch of them here in upstate

991
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: New York that we found that nobody knew about that

992
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: have been like underground this. They've already done it with

993
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: the eternals, and maybe they wouldn't do it exactly like

994
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: that again, but I do think that that is a

995
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: doorway they could walk through if they wanted to, where

996
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: this increasingly powerful sentinel system discovers mutants. And just to

997
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: backtrack for one second, in this is gonna seem like

998
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: an aside, but I swear it is. And Captain America

999
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: inn Soldier, right, there's that there's the scene where uh,

1000
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, they take a cap and Nat and take

1001
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: sit well to the roof, right, and they throw them off,

1002
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: and then Sam brings him back, and all of a

1003
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: sudden he spills and he's like, yeah, you know, we've

1004
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: this algorithm. It's looking for power for people who are

1005
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: in the threats still and Strange is one of them. Right,

1006
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: How the fuck did the algorithm know that Stephen Strange

1007
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: was up to Stephen Strange was up to literally nothing

1008
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: at that time. So Ratcon they well, definitely reckcon because

1009
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: that was like an easter egg to get people excited.

1010
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: At the same time, How does how does comic book

1011
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: storytelling work? That is ongoing storytelling work? It works because

1012
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: creators look back and they go, here's a weird thing.

1013
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if I can blow this up and make

1014
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: this something. Yeah, in the interior reality of the MCU,

1015
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: there was already a computer eight years ago that was

1016
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: predicting who would be powered threats. So like in the

1017
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: interior reality the MCU, this technology already exists. No, I

1018
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: think it's so impossible that it could that. Much like

1019
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Jasper Sidwell knew that Dandri Strange was going to be

1020
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: a player years before he would ever be a player,

1021
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: Maybe there's this ongoing project that eventually will discover people

1022
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: who are not even on the radar right now. Yeah,

1023
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: and that are in this world.

1024
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: Also, I think you're so. I think you're absolutely right.

1025
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: I can't believe you've turned me back onto the I'm

1026
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: like such a Dane McDuffie stand not every week, I'm

1027
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: like watching this and I'm just like damage control would

1028
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: never but you're right. Once you bring the X Men

1029
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: into it, I'm like, oh, this is actually very interesting.

1030
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: I think you're right as well, because what have they

1031
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: been doing the whole time that they've been doing this

1032
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: thing that I talk about every week, so get ready

1033
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: to hear it again. I've been thinking it's about secret Wars,

1034
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: but I think maybe it is about introducing the X Men,

1035
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: because what they've done in every single movie in this

1036
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: phase shang Chi, you know what was there? Oh, it's

1037
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: a secret group of people you've never known about, who

1038
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: are not on the radar, who have a certain way

1039
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: of fighting. Miss Marvel. Oh, there's this whole secret, hidden

1040
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: group of people or who live behind the veil in

1041
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: a hidden world. Maybe that they have some secret powers

1042
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: you don't know about setting up this idea that all

1043
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: around us are these worlds of powered people that we

1044
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: do not know. And the Eternals is another one, you know,

1045
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: and that very much took on a kind of almost

1046
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: Inhumans esque storytelling of like they've been here for so long,

1047
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: so it really would fit in with what they're doing

1048
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: to introduce an enclave. Also, we've talked about this before,

1049
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: but like Professor Xavier and Augean Gray. Either of them

1050
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: is powerful enough to essentially use their psychic powers to

1051
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: stop people knowing about them.

1052
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: They're very, very adept at doing that. Tune into this

1053
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: space to find out if we're right, and if we're not,

1054
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: just forget it.

1055
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: We've never said sentinels, We've.

1056
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: Never said that. Up next door, Love and Thunder, kids,

1057
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: get the popcorn, now hit me tell you the story

1058
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: of the.

1059
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: Space viking Thor. He was no ordinary man.

1060
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: He was a god. After fading planet Earth for the

1061
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: five hundredth time, Thaw set off on a new journey.

1062
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 6: Will he cut in shape?

1063
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: He went from dead bard to god board, and after.

1064
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: All that, he reclaimed his title as the one and

1065
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: only thor.

1066
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh spook too soon, Jane.

1067
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: Folks were stepping off the goat boat into the shadow

1068
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: realm to break down Thor. Love and Thunder, which is

1069
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: in theaters now, directed of course, by TAIKOA. Tit, written

1070
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Speaker 1: by Takowa Tit and Jennifer Robinson, produced by Kevin Feige

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Speaker 1: and Brad Winderbaum, and starring all of our favorite people.

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Speaker 1: Once again, we opened somewhere in space. Our friend Corg

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Speaker 1: is narrating the story to date. After the events of

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Speaker 1: Avengers Endgame and the victorious fight to undo Thanos's step.

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Speaker 1: Thor went to space to just get healthy. It didn't

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Speaker 1: just mean losing weight. It means his mental health, it

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Speaker 1: means his physical health. He just wants to feel better

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Speaker 1: about himself, and that's what he went to space to

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Speaker 1: do with his friend Court. And it took a while,

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Speaker 1: but with some dedication, a healthier outlook, some exercise, some

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Speaker 1: regular meditation, and of course the company of his now

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Speaker 1: very close friends, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor becomes fitter,

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Speaker 1: a more at peace former god of Thunder. We find

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Speaker 1: Thor and the Guardians and the process of evicting some

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Speaker 1: rodent alien bandits from a temple that they have occupied

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Speaker 1: and stolen, essentially from a native population. In the end,

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Speaker 1: Thor does find it necessary to destroy the temple to

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Speaker 1: liberate it, and the indigenous population are more or less pleased.

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Speaker 1: They would prefer not to talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: temples destroyed, but they're kind of thankful. And it's very

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Speaker 1: clear from this that adventures such as these have been

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Speaker 1: a regular thing for the Guardians and Thor, who have

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Speaker 1: been at this for a while. This kind of this

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Speaker 1: kind of adventuring these kind of fights where the guardians

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Speaker 1: are fighting, and then thora Is the big Gun, comes

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Speaker 1: in with his own catchphrase. But now Thor has a

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Speaker 1: new mission, and that is to hunt down the god

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Speaker 1: Butcher that slayed the gods of this planet. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: that god Butcher in the past, long long long ago

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Speaker 1: and some far off world, Gore and his daughter are

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Speaker 1: staggering through an endless desert and they are praying to

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Speaker 1: their gods, who it turns out, have abandoned not only

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Speaker 1: Gore and his daughter, but their entire people.

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Speaker 2: Which probably mention is dies we didn't explicitly.

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Speaker 1: His daughter passes away in the desert, Gore finds the

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Speaker 1: garden of his people's God. Turns out he's a pretty

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Speaker 1: petty person, very vindictive, not at all caring about the

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Speaker 1: people who worship him. And Gore comes to this beautiful

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Speaker 1: garden in the moments right after his god had killed

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Speaker 1: some creature who is wielding the Necro Sword, which is

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Speaker 1: an ancient blade made of symbiote stuff that is capable

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Speaker 1: of killing God's This god is like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't care about you, I don't care about your people.

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Speaker 1: I'll get more people. That's how it works, so you're

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Speaker 1: annoying and I'm going to kill you now. And as

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Speaker 1: the god is about to kill Gore, the Necro Sword

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Speaker 1: chooses Gore as its next wielder, and Gore slays this god,

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Speaker 1: and right then and there dedicates his life as the

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Speaker 1: wielder of the Necro Sword to killing all gods everywhere

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Speaker 1: across the universe. Back to Thor and our friends Thor

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Speaker 1: and Cork say goodbye to the Guardians. They are getting

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Speaker 1: ready to leave this planet. The natives of the planet

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Speaker 1: are like, oh, thank you for saving Slash destroying our temple.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to give you this gift of two huge

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Speaker 1: goats that scream all the time as a thank you,

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Speaker 1: but clearly also because we want to get rid of them.

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Speaker 1: And Thora is like, thank you so much. I love

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Speaker 1: these goats. I will name them tooth Nasher and tooth Grinder.

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Speaker 1: They then travel to a snowy world. Corgan Thor do

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Speaker 1: where because they got a message from Sif, And there

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Speaker 1: they find a dead god, a huge dead god, this

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Speaker 1: dragon like god that we saw in the trailer. Faligar

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Speaker 1: the Behemoth has been slain by Gore, the god Butcher,

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Speaker 1: and there in the field of war. In front of

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Speaker 1: Faligar is our good friend, the warrior Sif, who is

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Speaker 1: grievously injured and has had her arm cut off, and

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Speaker 1: she sees Thoris. She's like, oh my god, thank god, Thor,

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Speaker 1: it's you. I died in battle. Look at me, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Valhalla. This is awesome. This is what

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Speaker 1: asked guardian warriors dream about, is dying in battle and

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Speaker 1: going to Valhalla. And I'm about to go, and it's

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Speaker 1: great to see your face in the moments before I go.

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Speaker 1: And Thor is like, the battle is like long over.

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Speaker 1: If you die now, you actually won't go to Valhalla,

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Speaker 1: so sorry to spoil that for you. It's it's like fuck.

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Speaker 1: So then Siff is like, okay, then just take me

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Speaker 1: back to wherever you're going. They grab Sif and they

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Speaker 1: buy Frost back to Earth. Meanwhile, back on Earth, our

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Speaker 1: good friend, doctor Jane Foster, is now a successful public

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Speaker 1: intellectual and the author of a very influential and successful

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Speaker 1: book about physics. Unfortunately, she's also in the fight of

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Speaker 1: her life against cancer. Her friend and former assistant Darcy Lewis,

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Speaker 1: is there to kind of like support her through this.

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Speaker 1: We recently saw Darcy, of course, taking part in the

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Speaker 1: government response to the Westview incident in Wanda Vision. She's

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Speaker 1: there to support her friend Jane, but of course Jane's

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Speaker 1: cancer is stage four, which is the final stage. Darcy,

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Speaker 1: at her wits end, contacts their old friend, the brilliant

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Speaker 1: doctor Eric Selvig, who of course has been with us

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Speaker 1: since Thor and the Avengers and etc. And he agrees

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Speaker 1: also that he just doesn't know. He's not a medical doctor,

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Speaker 1: but he looks at the scans and looks at the

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Speaker 1: data and says, I'm not sure what we can do

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Speaker 1: for Jane. But one day, Jane, here's a voice calling

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Speaker 1: her to new Asgard is the voice of Mulnir. Much

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Speaker 1: like in the comics, we find out that Munier has

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Speaker 1: some sort of some sort of consciousness. Now Thor's hammer

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Speaker 1: forged from the magical Uru by the power vote himself.

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Speaker 1: And then we need to back up here because we

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Speaker 1: get a flashback about what Jane and Thor had been

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Speaker 1: up too between Thor the Dark World in Ragrok. So

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Speaker 1: after the events of Dark World, Thor and Jane moved

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Speaker 1: in together very much in love. So deep and pure

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Speaker 1: was their love for each other that it actually imprinted

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Speaker 1: itself into Mulnar. Their love became like a magical spell.

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Speaker 1: But as often happens, Jane and Thor grew apart. They

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Speaker 1: started arguing a little bit, hanging out different places, and

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Speaker 1: then eventually they broke up unhappily, but they did do so,

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Speaker 1: but the magic of their bond remained imprinted on Mulner.

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Speaker 1: Now back to the present, Jane, desperately sick, she travels

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Speaker 1: to new Asgarden, Norway, where the pieces of Thor's hammer

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Speaker 1: are kept like under a little dome. They're immovable, of course,

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Speaker 1: unless you're worthy enough to move them. That is the

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Speaker 1: very place where they fell after Hella crushed them in

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Speaker 1: the opening act of Thor Ragnrok. And then Jane comes

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Speaker 1: and then the pieces assemble themselves into the hammer, which Jane,

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Speaker 1: as the worthy wielder of nil Nerd, lifts, thus becoming

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Speaker 1: worthy of the power of Thor. In New Asgard, we

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Speaker 1: see that King Valkyrie's reign has been great. It's actually

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Speaker 1: been pretty good. Like it's very very peaceful, and on

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Speaker 1: the economic front things are going great. It's a tourist destination.

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Speaker 1: People are coming through all the time. It appears that

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Speaker 1: they have a kind of like Norwegian style European style,

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Speaker 1: like healthcare and system, because everybody seems very well taken

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Speaker 1: care of and everything's great. Unfortunately, it is also very

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Speaker 1: very boring. King Valkyrie has to sit through endless meetings

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Speaker 1: all day and she's bored by this. Our friend Meek

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Speaker 1: at least seems very satisfied in their role as a

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Speaker 1: member of the King's cabinet, but overall King Valkyrie is

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Speaker 1: a little like is this all there is to life?

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Speaker 1: Thor Korg and the Goats arrive back in New Asgard,

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Speaker 1: and the very night they arrive, go strikes because this

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Speaker 1: is the next target on his list. He's killing gods.

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Speaker 1: He wants to kill the gods and New Asgard. King Valkyrie,

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Speaker 1: Thorns and whoa mighty Jane Foster fight the minions of

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Speaker 1: Gore and repel them, but unfortunately the god Butcher also escaped,

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Speaker 1: with like two dozen as Guardian kids among them. Heimdahl's

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Speaker 1: son Axel named for Axel Rose, apparently, who has similar

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Speaker 1: powers to his late father, but hopefully is better at

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Speaker 1: using them, unlike Himdahal, who missed every single fucking threat

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Speaker 1: in every movie he was ever in. I rest my

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Speaker 1: case that's enough about Himdhal. I won't speak. That's why

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Speaker 1: I won't. Let's not speak ill of him, Heimdahl, you

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Speaker 1: did a bad job, but let's move on. Well, we

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Speaker 1: love you. Love you. Now. Through Axel's powers, Thor is

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Speaker 1: able to basically astral project to where Axel is. They

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Speaker 1: find out through the kids that Gore is heading to

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Speaker 1: or hanging out at the Shadow Realm, and so Thor,

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Speaker 1: King Valkyrie and my Jane Foster are like, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: need to we need to go there and stop Thor

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Speaker 1: and rescue the kids. Now, Thor, King v Jane and Korg.

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Speaker 1: That's a good start, but we need more. They need

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Speaker 1: an army. So Thor is like, I know where we

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Speaker 1: can get one. Let's go to Omnipotent City, which is

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Speaker 1: like the Las Vegas of the gods. Supposedly they're there

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Speaker 1: like doing god governmental work, but they're never doing that

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Speaker 1: Adam Nipputen City. Zeus is like the big daddy rock

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Speaker 1: star of all the six one six gods. He holds

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Speaker 1: sway there and he's pretty much like a dirt bag

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Speaker 1: whose current calling is fucking and drinking his way through

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Speaker 1: the anxiety of the ongoing Gore menace. Zeus very aggressively

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Speaker 1: does not want to help Thor and is in fact

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Speaker 1: terrified of Gore and would prefer to just hide here

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Speaker 1: in a city, having orgies and drinking wine and not

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Speaker 1: doing anything. So that's your answer, Thor, take it or

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Speaker 1: leave it. Our heroes decide that's not good enough. They

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Speaker 1: fight Zeus. In the course of the fight, korg Is

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Speaker 1: turned to Rubble, very very scary moment here where I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, fuck, corg is dead.

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Speaker 2: They definitely want you to think that Thor thinks that

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Speaker 2: Thor thinks.

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Speaker 1: My whole movie theater thought it. It was very very

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Speaker 1: bummed out for a little hum. Don't worry corg Is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, okay, but corg is alive. At

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Speaker 1: the end of the fight, though, Zeus has a big

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Speaker 1: old hole blown in his chest thanks to his own

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Speaker 1: lightning bolt weapon, which are heroes take for themselves because

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Speaker 1: that's the only backup they have and now they're down

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Speaker 1: Corg so they need all the help they can get.

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Speaker 1: In the course of the argument and fight with Zeus

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Speaker 1: in a city, our heroes realize that Gore's endgame is

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Speaker 1: to reach Eternity, who is like a Genie at the

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Speaker 1: center of the universe. You can think of him as

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Speaker 1: essentially and if you reach Attorney, whoever can get there.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever gotten there, but if you can get there,

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Speaker 1: Attornity will grant you one reality altering wish, and we

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Speaker 1: can assume that if Gore gets there his wishes, all

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Speaker 1: God's be dead and there will be a genocide of

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Speaker 1: God's across the universe. Okay. Meanwhile, Jane's cancer, which has

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Speaker 1: never truly banished, much like in the comics, reasserts itself

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Speaker 1: now while Jane is holding Milner. She has the power

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Speaker 1: for but it comes at a price because it weakens

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Speaker 1: her defenses, makes her weaker when she's not holding Milner,

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Speaker 1: and thus speeding her towards her death. Jane begins to

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Speaker 1: weaken dramatically after our heroes fight Gore in the Shadow Realm.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that she cannot continue. Thora's heartbroken at just

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Speaker 1: the thought of losing Jane. Hear their love has been rekindled,

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Speaker 1: and now he's about to lose her before he can

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Speaker 1: even get to spend time with her again. Jane, to

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Speaker 1: Thor's relief, goes back to Earth to basically wait out

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Speaker 1: her final hours This is some of the best stuff

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Speaker 1: in this movie, the Jane Thor stuff. It's crazy that like,

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Speaker 1: ten years after, I mean, you know, after the first

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Speaker 1: Thor movie, we're now like paying off this relationship in

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Speaker 1: a way that feels like really.

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Speaker 2: Great, definitely, And I think something they do that's really

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: heartbreaking but amazing and this is like they really make

1278
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: it very explicit that the reason that Thor and Jane's

1279
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: relationship failed is because they both loved each other so

1280
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: much that they started to put up walls because they

1281
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: were terrified of losing each other. And then in this

1282
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: moment where Thor is reunited with Jane and they share

1283
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: this honesty and they're both holding the mantle of th

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 2: Or and they say, well, Thor says, you know what,

1285
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to be scared of that anymore. I

1286
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: want to be with you. And Jane's like, well, I've

1287
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: got cancer, and Thor's like, look, I'm not doing this.

1288
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: I love you. Go and stay in the hospital, like

1289
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: we will sort this out, but don't you be picking

1290
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 2: up that hammer again. And it's like it's so it's

1291
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: so well done, and I love the relationship in this

1292
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: and I totally understand why this is the movie where

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: Natalie Portman came back. Like, Jane gets so much great

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: stuff in not just like heroically, but also emotionally.

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Speaker 1: There's also Thors. Well. The other thing I liked about it,

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Speaker 1: how is how it built on Thors again very dude

1297
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: like inability to access like his feelings of hurt and pain.

1298
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, we saw it in Thor the Dark World. Yeah,

1299
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: we saw the way he responded to his mom's death.

1300
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: We saw the way he responded to the events of

1301
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: Infinity War and the opening of End Game, where he's

1302
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: just like a shattered person, unable to grapple with his

1303
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: failure to save his mother, unable to grapple with their

1304
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: his and the Avengers failure to save half the living

1305
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: things in the entire universe, and he's just crushed by this.

1306
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: And here even again as he's urging Jane to go

1307
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 1: home and like and seek medical care and stop picking

1308
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: up this hammer that is making her powerful but at

1309
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: the same time making the cancer more powerful, he's also

1310
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: in this very very human way he is unable to

1311
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: like acknowledge that Jane will die like he's still holding

1312
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: and again a very human way as anybody who's like

1313
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: ever dealt with somebody having like a like an illness

1314
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: like this.

1315
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh, you got to fight, Like you can't.

1316
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: Keep doing it. You have to go home and you know,

1317
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: like you can fight for every day and we can

1318
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: spill and and Thor still has that. That is where

1319
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: Thor's mind is at. He has not even begun to

1320
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: accept that he could lose Jane. And and it's really

1321
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: humane and heartbreaking. Thor tracks Gore and the kids to

1322
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: the Temple of Attorney and we get this great moment where.

1323
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 2: It's like one of maybe my favorite ever.

1324
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: It's this is why Tiger is great, because he balances

1325
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: just fun and creativity and wacky humor with epic action

1326
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: and real like emotional weight. So Thor uh, he's he's

1327
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: with the kids and he has them all pick up

1328
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: something that they can use as his weapons. Some have

1329
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: like a stuffed animal, Others have picked up like some

1330
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: stick that they found or a rock or a brick

1331
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then, much like Odin did centuries ago,

1332
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: Thor bestows for a limited time only his power on

1333
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: all these as guardian kids, so that together they are

1334
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,759
Speaker 1: wielding the power of Thor. And they opened a huge

1335
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: can of whoop ass on Gore, who, despite getting molly

1336
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: wopped all around the temple, does manage to break through

1337
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: to Eternity and crawl through to make his wish. So

1338
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: the kids are fighting Gore's shadow monsters of black berserkers.

1339
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: Thor is fighting Gore but steadily losing, and just in

1340
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: the moment where it seems like Thor is about to

1341
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: get his head cut off by the necro sword, Jane

1342
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: shows up and beats Gore's fucking ass. Unfortunately, the byfrost

1343
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: does manage to drill through to the realm of Eternity

1344
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: while all of this is going on, and Jane has

1345
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: spent the very last of her strength, and so Gore

1346
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: goes through to Eternity. Jane dies in Thor's arm, heartbreakingly,

1347
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: turning to gold dust and drifting away. Thor confronts Gore

1348
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: right in front of Eternity in this water realm that

1349
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: looks like something. It honestly looks like one of the

1350
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: boss fights from Elden Ring. That's it. It looked beautiful.

1351
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: So what happens? They go through to Eternity and Gore

1352
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 2: is gonna both of them and he but Thor says

1353
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like, fuck you, you on wish, make your wish.

1354
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend the last moments with the woman that

1355
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: I love. And he's like, you could do the same,

1356
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: you could bring back your door. And then and then

1357
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: Gore says, and then Gore is like, He's like, but

1358
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 2: she'd be alone, And just before Jane dies, she's like, no,

1359
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: she wouldn't. And that's like, and that's when they make

1360
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 2: the agreement or whatever that Thor was gonna raise his kid, and.

1361
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 1: That's what that's what happens. So Gore passes away, but

1362
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: not before with tears in his eyes, he sees that

1363
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: his daughter has come back to life, and it's clear

1364
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: by the very fact that she now exists once again

1365
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: that he accepts that this girl will be entrusted in

1366
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: Thor's care. We flash forward Coorg narrates his relationship with

1367
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: another Cronan. It turns out that all Cronans are male,

1368
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: and this Cronan, Dwyane, he's fallen in love with him,

1369
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: and all Cronans to pro create, they go into the

1370
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: heart of a volcano where they hold hands and then

1371
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: create a baby. And so together they do this and

1372
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: they father a beautiful Cronan child. As the film ends,

1373
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: Korg still narrating, we see that Thor stay true to

1374
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: his word. He and the girl, now named Love. Together

1375
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: they are known as Love and Thunder are adventuring amongst

1376
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: the stars, as Thor has been doing with the Guardians

1377
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy to open the film, and just doing

1378
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: good across the galaxy. And we close with this big

1379
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: splashy logo of Love and Thunder, and in that which

1380
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: is like a really cool surprise to realize that, oh,

1381
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: this is like, weirdly, this entire movie weirdly is like

1382
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: a prequel to the Love and Thunder relationship, that is

1383
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: Thor and his daughter Love.

1384
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this so much. And also something that's

1385
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: really cool is like we can get into it a

1386
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: bit deeper later. But in the first established notion of

1387
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 2: Thor having a daughter was in the next Avengers movie

1388
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: from two thousand and eight, Next Avengers Heroes of Tomorrow,

1389
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: and in that she's called Torn, and Torn means Thor's love.

1390
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: So I think like DELI kind of continuing that tradition here,

1391
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: which I think is really cool.

1392
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: That Toran is the daughter of Thor and sif Yes,

1393
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 1: who throughout the comics and a little bit in the

1394
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: movies have had it on again, off again, on again,

1395
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: off agin on again, offship all throughout time. In the

1396
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: comics much more. You know, it's like pretty much like

1397
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: Sif has a crush on Thor, and Thor occasionally reciprocates

1398
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: but mostly doesn't. So we go to our first stinger.

1399
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: We see Zeus. He is pissed. He's got a hole

1400
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: in his chest. It's mending, but he's still got this

1401
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: big hole in his chest and he's got one of

1402
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: his servants that's looking after it. He is talking about

1403
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: Thor and how Thor did all this stuff and put

1404
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: up punched a hole through his chest, and how he

1405
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: was happy just kind of like chilling out and up

1406
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: nipping and city drinking wine. But now he's he's back

1407
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: to being the vengeful god that he always was, and

1408
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: he's mad and he wants to strike back. And I'm

1409
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: talking to you, my son, are you going to be

1410
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: the instrument of my vengeance? And the camera pans over

1411
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: and it's his son Hercules, who's like, Yep, I'm gonna do.

1412
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 4: It, And also who is can we Just like Brett

1413
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 4: Goldstein from Tea, it's one of the most shocking castings

1414
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 4: of all time. I am so excited to see him

1415
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 4: get Marvel buff.

1416
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: Because you have to be buff, they see have to

1417
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: be you have to be buff.

1418
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: They did c GI him? Did they see Gi Helmsworth,

1419
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: Because I gotta say, some of those lats looked at

1420
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: you like.

1421
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: The Marvel Dyer, as Kamel spoke about, is a a

1422
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 2: truly terrifying thing. And and and they I think before

1423
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: they made these movies they're probably not allowed to drink

1424
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: water for like two days because they have to have

1425
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: that muscle definition that comes only from dehydration. But I

1426
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: would have been I mean, thoughs a god, so a

1427
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: little bit of CG would it would make sense? But yeah, Brett,

1428
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: very c G. Understandably, Hercules is a mammoth man.

1429
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: Hercules is here baby. No, of course, Hercules, Hercules and

1430
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: Thor fight a lot in their early incarnation. In hercules

1431
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: early incarnations in the Marvel Comics universe, they fight all

1432
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: the time. But of course Hercules, as often happens, it's

1433
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding and he's a good guy anyway. And then

1434
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: he eventually does become a longtime member of the Avengers.

1435
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 2: And of course was there Jacket Avengers.

1436
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: It was there drunkenly during the Masters of Evil invasion

1437
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: of the Avengers mansion that Rosie and I love so much.

1438
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: This was during the reign of Janet van Dyne as

1439
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: leader of Leader of the Avengers. Anyway, in our second stinger,

1440
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: we see a beautiful green landscape glimmering golden hall on

1441
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: a hill and Jane Foster has arrived in this place

1442
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,879
Speaker 1: and can only be Valhalla, the realm where as Guardian

1443
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: warriors go when they die courageously in battle. As Jane

1444
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: very very obvious just has who is there to welcome her?

1445
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: It's heimdahal Hella. Guess what We're going up there to

1446
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: that hole on the hill, and and then we were off, folks,

1447
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 1: and that is the end of our film. Uh. Some thoughts, Rosie,

1448
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Your thoughts.

1449
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, I really loved this movie. Like for me, it

1450
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,879
Speaker 2: just it worked for me on a lot of levels.

1451
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 2: Like I I really love stories about kids and stuff

1452
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: like that. I think that's my eighties baby and me

1453
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: like so, I loved I thought Kieran al Dyer's axe

1454
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: Al was so great, and I loved that kind of

1455
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 2: nod of like Axel being the chosen name and Heimdel

1456
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: had named them astrid and stuff. There was so much

1457
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: fun stuff. I loved how creepy Christian Bale was. I

1458
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 2: thought he was so scary, and I loved.

1459
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: I had one Yeah, if I had one critique, it's

1460
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: like more Gore. That was like right, we were.

1461
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 2: So good and like needed so many creepy moments they were.

1462
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: He was really channeling the child Catcher from Chitty Chitty

1463
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Bang Bang. This movie I really love like it balances.

1464
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: It does one of my favorite things. It's kind of

1465
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 2: in a way, it's kind of like a Chazam in

1466
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: the MCU, but like the Shazam movie had these really creepy,

1467
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: scary horror elements, but then this really fun family aspect,

1468
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: and I feel like if I was a kid, I mean,

1469
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: I loved horror stuff when I was a kid, But

1470
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: if you're a kid and you're a bit spooked by

1471
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: the scary stuff, you will get the biggest payoff of

1472
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: your life when you get to that battle sequence. Like that,

1473
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: to me, that balance between the family fun. There's also

1474
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: like I found the overall arc of Thor's story like

1475
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 2: very moving, and I thought that they did a really

1476
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 2: good job in terms of the stinger of kind of

1477
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that more in a minute, but like,

1478
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: they do a good job. I didn't feel like anything

1479
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: was done to get an emotional reaction for no reason.

1480
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: I felt like it was very well thought out and

1481
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: fun and wacky and wild and like so much guns

1482
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: and roses in this movie, but it just works so well,

1483
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: and like Taiker, just like they spent that money budget

1484
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: on that and they're gonna make it back. I was

1485
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: looking at going to see it on Friday, and it

1486
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 2: sold out at like every cinema Emmy, like almost Spider

1487
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: Man levels, and so I'm really excited for people to

1488
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 2: see it same.

1489
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: I really it is. It's my favorite movie of this phase.

1490
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: It is. I mean, listen, you know I've talked about

1491
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: a million times. I'm a lifelong comics fan. I love

1492
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: MCU movies. I love the bad Ones. Like I'm also

1493
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: a big Taicho wat fan. I think that I don't

1494
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: know that anybody again can quite match the mix of humor, action,

1495
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: and emotion that he particularly brings to it. Like the

1496
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: opening of Thor Ragnarok. I remember I remember watching it,

1497
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: and that that monologue that Thor has in front of

1498
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: sir in the cage where he's talking about all the

1499
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: stuff that he's been doing.

1500
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I'm just spinning like it is.

1501
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: Like it's it. It gives you story. It is incredibly funny,

1502
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: and it was. And it was simultaneously completely unlike anything

1503
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: that Thor had done in Dark World, and Thor won

1504
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: right that was a more serious Thor.

1505
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 2: This is like not that.

1506
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: And it also felt of a piece with the character

1507
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: that had been established in that it was not jarring,

1508
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the funny was this guy. It felt

1509
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: like a different facet of a character we had or

1510
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: a own, but was completely unexpected and funny. And that

1511
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: continues in Yes, where we're getting new facets to characters

1512
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: that we know and love, but we're seeing them in

1513
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: the in this really unique, funny, unexpected way that I

1514
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: think only type in the MCU is this is doing

1515
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: in this particular way. I just love you stuff me too.

1516
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 2: And something I really love about this is it's like

1517
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: it's like Gragnarok, but it's not like Ragnarok and the

1518
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: kid aspects of this stuff, which is something Tiger does

1519
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 2: so well, it feels much more like he's channeling his

1520
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: early stuff like Boy or Hunt for the Wilder People

1521
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 2: that charm of like the unexpected kid character that you

1522
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: actually like who is relatable and funny and sassy and

1523
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: like weird. And I loved where we left thora at

1524
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: the end of this movie, and I loved this kind

1525
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: of notion of of him carrying mole near and Love

1526
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 2: carrying Stormbreaker and that just and she has cool like

1527
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 2: cyclops powers where she can shoot lasers out of her eyes.

1528
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: And something I thought was really cool was when they

1529
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 2: mentioned they say he calls Carl, calls her like the

1530
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: girl born of Eternity, which one just sounds really cool,

1531
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: but feels like this is film that I think kind

1532
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: of like Doctor Strange too, which I really liked as well,

1533
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 2: But like this feels like a kind of a new phase,

1534
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 2: which is like movies that are just allowed to stand

1535
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: by themselves and just be crazy, wild, fun adventures. But

1536
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 2: if there's one thing that feels obviously like it's gonna stick,

1537
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be Love. But also I think that

1538
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 2: notion of her having cosmic beginnings is going to be

1539
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 2: important and is essentially going to establish her as like

1540
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 2: a force that can help in the future when we

1541
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: inevitably start to see more epoch Eon celestials. Whoever else

1542
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: this is someone who's standing next to her, you know,

1543
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Uncle Flora as she calls him, who is the god

1544
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 2: of Thunder. That's going to be able, They're gonna be

1545
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: able to put up a fight against these kind of

1546
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 2: cosmic elders.

1547
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, to take a moment, Rosie, to tell us about

1548
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: Eternity and some of those cosmic elder characters that we

1549
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 1: see in the Temple of Attorney. Eh, yeah, you know

1550
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: the heads we see them in the trailer, including a

1551
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 1: watcher perhaps who are to other figures there, like, tell

1552
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: us about what the role that these super super weird cosmic,

1553
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: super cosmic gods play in the MCU.

1554
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: Okay, so Eternity is like incredibly cool and was actually

1555
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: brought to life in the movie. If you've watched this now,

1556
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 2: which I hope you have, if you're listening to this,

1557
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 2: or if you haven't, you can go and google the

1558
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 2: comic because they brought it to life. Basically identically is

1559
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: brought to life as kind of this like walking being

1560
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 2: made of space and time. It's it's really impeccable to

1561
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: see and this is old. This is a sixties character,

1562
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 2: no surprise, because it's absolutely out there created by Stanley

1563
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 2: and Steve Dicko to icons first appeared in Strange Tales

1564
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: one thirty eight, which was in sixty five, I believe.

1565
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 2: And so it depends which canon. But basically Eternity is

1566
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 2: sort of like the beginning of all things Eternity and infinity,

1567
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 2: and in the Marvel Universe, different universes are created out

1568
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,919
Speaker 2: of them and from of them. My understanding is Attorney

1569
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 2: currently is basically the living representation of the six one six,

1570
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: which I think is jevery so interesting. It's everything right, yeah,

1571
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 2: And then we actually so they they've had Attorney has

1572
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: had many children in the comics because, like you said

1573
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: something earlier which I just loved, Jason, where you were

1574
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 2: basically like, the reason comics are good is somebody sees

1575
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 2: something weird and says, oh, what can I do that?

1576
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: How can I blow up? This is a great example

1577
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 2: of that. So Attorney's had a bunch of kids. Most

1578
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 2: famously is Eon, who we thought might have been one

1579
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: of the statues. We're still not sure if it's Eon

1580
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: or EON's daughter, so Attorney's grand daughter Epoch, and these

1581
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: are all essentially these like abstract entities that represent huge

1582
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: beginnings and your ends in the Marvel universe Eon and Epoch.

1583
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: If you're like, oh, that sounds like something you guys

1584
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: have talked about before, that's because they are the creators

1585
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: of the Nega Bands, which we hyperphesized is something being

1586
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 2: adapted in Miss Marvel with the Bengals. I still believe

1587
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 2: that is the case. We saw the bangle on a

1588
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 2: cree arm. Yeah, so eternity like only usually turns up

1589
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: when there's like a terrible Fanos level threat, which is

1590
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 2: why he would have been able to be there for Gore.

1591
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 2: And I just thought this was like so cool, the

1592
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 2: wish thing I think they created for this movie, which

1593
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,719
Speaker 2: also feels very relevant with the Miss Marvel reveals recently.

1594
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 2: But I just thought I couldn't believe how well done

1595
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 2: this was. And I think that the notion something that

1596
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 2: Zeus says in the Stinger, which is very funny because

1597
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 2: it's like it essentially sets up this notion of the

1598
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 2: old gods versus the New gods, Jack Derby, but also

1599
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: it sets up this idea that like something that you

1600
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: know many comic book fans and academics and storytellers have

1601
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 2: put forward this notion Grant Morrison being one of them,

1602
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 2: and it's been taken in kind of this ongoing conversation.

1603
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 2: Are superheroes the modern pantheon of gods? Is that what

1604
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: they are? Because we've created these stories and we've put

1605
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 2: them on this place, and now we worship them, you know,

1606
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 2: on the TV and all these things. This is making

1607
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 2: that text in the MCU where we're gonna see Zeus

1608
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 2: wants his attention back. So we're going to have the

1609
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 2: pantheon potentially some of those gods from the Ennead that

1610
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 2: we saw in you know, Moonnight, We're gonna see a

1611
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 2: version where the more traditional mythological gods are pitting themselves

1612
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 2: against what they see as new gods, these people in

1613
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: the sky, superheroes. I think it will be very interesting

1614
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 2: to see how Eternity and the actual most ancient creatures

1615
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: deal with that. And also something else I thought was

1616
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 2: really interesting to throw it back to my absolute favorite eternals.

1617
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: Thank you to everyone who always is like commenting, like

1618
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 2: don't stop talking about Eternals, Like I do it for

1619
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 2: you guys. But like the one statue that we didn't

1620
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 2: see in the trailer that was there was a celestial

1621
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 2: So I think that implies with that notion that like

1622
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 2: the celestials are that ancient as they are in the comics,

1623
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 2: and I think we're just entering into a really interesting

1624
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 2: world of like gods. But also it's much more like

1625
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: meta texture than I realized, because I think we are

1626
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 2: going to be looking at that more boys style conversation

1627
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: of like, are these the modern gods?

1628
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Are these people we see? We do see a pair

1629
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: of celestials as our difference speed the goat boat out

1630
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: of them. I los see that we see a couple

1631
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: of celestials who were too big to fit inside the

1632
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: whole of God's just kind of like what so Yeah.

1633
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 2: So that I wonder if that hints that when we

1634
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 2: think about that old gods, it's not just Zeus and

1635
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 2: Dionysus and all the ones that we know, right I

1636
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,440
Speaker 2: maybe in a Marvel universe, Yeah, it's also the celestials.

1637
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: It's eternity, you know, Attorney's chilling. They seem pretty chill.

1638
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 2: And also I feel like in the grand scheme of things,

1639
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Turney probably pretty happy that that was the wish, like

1640
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 2: birthing a child that's gonna attend maybe do good, but generally,

1641
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think that's where we're going, is

1642
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: seeing these kind of ancient deities want to take back

1643
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 2: their power from the soups.

1644
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. In the comics, Jane uh

1645
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: It becomes a member of the Congress of of Worlds,

1646
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a parliament of God's essentially

1647
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: governing body. I wonder if, I wonder if valhal is

1648
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a little like that. I don't know what

1649
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: they do, but and I would have met well Odin

1650
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: actually probably would Odin get there.

1651
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1652
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 2: He just wasn I don't think so, I don't think right,

1653
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: he just kind of draw. So I'm gonna this is

1654
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna double dip theories here so that

1655
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 2: we cover this double.

1656
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: Li because I do think I love that we've the

1657
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: last of Jane, and I certainly don't think.

1658
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I think another version that

1659
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 2: is equally as likely. In the comics, Jane goes to

1660
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Valhalla because they think that she died, they allow her

1661
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 2: to go like they did here, but Jane goes back

1662
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 2: to Earth and then after that she ends up becoming

1663
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 2: a valkyrie. And I think there's actually a Jane Foster

1664
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: Valkyrie comic, and I think that is very likely as well,

1665
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 2: because I don't think if you're an Alie Portman, yeah,

1666
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 2: and you come back and you get to hold the

1667
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: hammer and wear the armor, which by the way, looked

1668
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: fucking banging like they bought Suscil Daughterman's like stuff to life.

1669
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 2: And Russell and Jason were both at the premiere, which

1670
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 2: is so great, and like, I don't know if you're

1671
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I'm chilled to be on like a

1672
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 2: cosmic Council. I bet you're like, so, what's the next superhero? Like,

1673
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 2: who is next? I want to So I think we

1674
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 2: could see a Valkyrie where we have Jane Foster as

1675
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Valkyrie or some kind of super heroic iteration that is

1676
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 2: more connected like Valhalla. And I also think as well,

1677
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: like I just think that this isn't going to be

1678
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 2: the end of I don't think so Jane, And here's

1679
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: what's relationship.

1680
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Here's my here's my prediction. This is based on absolutely zero.

1681
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: This won't happen. But this is me just fan ficking

1682
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: in real time. Odin doesn't get to Valhalla. It's like

1683
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: a you know it was he he dropped dead. It's

1684
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: a it's a it was a you know, a close call.

1685
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: But they went to var and did and looked at

1686
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: it on video replay and decided he didn't actually die

1687
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: in battle, so he's got to go to straight hell. Uh.

1688
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Thor and Hercules of course have their square off at

1689
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: the beginning of four or five, but then they decided

1690
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:49,879
Speaker 1: team up. With King Valkyrie's help, they managed to contact

1691
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: Jane and Heimdahl in Valhalla, and then it's a mission

1692
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: in the afterlife to charge into Hell and rescue Odin. Oh,

1693
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I love the help.

1694
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna take all of that. I think I

1695
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 2: love all of that. But instead I'm going to flip

1696
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: it at the end and what they have to actually

1697
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 2: stop Odin because he's so pissed about not being in

1698
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 2: Valhalla that he's teamed up with like Zeus, he's a

1699
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 2: petty guy, man.

1700
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: I could see. I could see open News who's having

1701
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: a very very complicated relationship.

1702
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: I love that, and I think that you're onto something

1703
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 2: because I mean with Ragnarok Tyker basically just establish this anyway,

1704
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: but this very much once again establishes Thor as like

1705
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 2: the place for cosmic stuff. The place for weird stuff.

1706
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 2: They would do a whole movie in hell Cirta. The

1707
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: beginning is essentially already leaning into that kind of aesthetic

1708
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 2: and narrative, and like, I hope that. I think when

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01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 2: they announced that Sif was going to be in this movie,

1710
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 2: and you know, when Testa did her speech at San

1711
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Diego Comic Con and said, you know, King Valkyrie's gonna

1712
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 2: find a queen, I think a lot of people were

1713
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 2: hoping that would be like a love connection. I really

1714
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: hope that whatever the next Thor movie is, or maybe

1715
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 2: wherever we see King Valkyrie before again, I would like

1716
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: to see. You know, they did a really good job

1717
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,560
Speaker 2: talking about queerness in this movie and establishing like the

1718
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 2: queerness of the Cronins and stuff, But I would love

1719
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 2: to actually get to see that explored a little bit

1720
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 2: more for Valkyrie, like that love romance finding that again,

1721
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 2: just like thought after she lost the person that she

1722
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 2: loved in battle, you know, I would love to see

1723
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 2: her get a chance to like find someone to connect

1724
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: with and like go around doing like cool.

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Speaker 1: Battles Necro Sword. Where do we see it again?

1726
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 2: What?

1727
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: Or because this is good, let's talk about this. This

1728
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 1: is actually not the last we've seen, the netcor sort

1729
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: of appears to be destroyed, although pieces of it.

1730
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like pieces of it actually went into Molnio,

1731
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 2: which I found very interesting. Okay, so let's talk about

1732
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: this because I think this is going to be a

1733
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 2: big talking point right in the comics. It was established

1734
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 2: in the recent Donnie Kates Ryan Stegmann Venom series. I

1735
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 2: think Venom issue four that the Necrosorders we knew it

1736
01:41:57,880 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 2: from Thor, God of Thunder, which we talked about a lot.

1737
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Revik Jason Narron was actually the first all Black the Necrosord,

1738
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 2: and it was manifested by Null. Who is this like

1739
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 2: another ancient Eldritch kind of deity. Now, I would say,

1740
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fair to say that in this

1741
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 2: movie they very much want to say that the Necrosord

1742
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 2: is like not a living because in the comics, the

1743
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 2: Necrosord is literally a symbia, and people who have the

1744
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 2: symbia can manifest a separate symbia that is the Necrosord.

1745
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 2: I think they very clearly want you to be like,

1746
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 2: this is a shadow thing, Like this isn't a symbia,

1747
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 2: this isn't connected to Venom blah, blah blah. But that said,

1748
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 2: this is very much like that early version that we

1749
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 2: saw in God of Thunder, which this whole movie is

1750
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 2: basically taken from. So I think there's definitely a way

1751
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 2: in the future that this was just like an early version,

1752
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 2: or that's how it manifested for Gore, who had this

1753
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 2: connection to the shadow realm once he got corrupted, which,

1754
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 2: by the way, hilariously deep cut their shadow realm is

1755
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 2: like barely even in any Marvel comics. I just that

1756
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 2: was like the best Tiger deep cut. But yeah, I

1757
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 2: think it could not necessarily be retcon because I think

1758
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 2: this was probably always the purpose. But I think that

1759
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 2: in the future we should still see it take on

1760
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 2: those symbiotic tendencies, because I do think a lot of people,

1761
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 2: a lot of fans, they assume that once they announced

1762
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 2: this so close after the reveal in Venom, yeah, that

1763
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 2: this was going to be Symbia's. They've kept it open,

1764
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 2: so you could in the future say, oh, it kind

1765
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: of was, But it's definitely there's nothing textual here to

1766
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 2: say this is a Symbia or this is And also

1767
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 2: the Necrosord is more of a standard weapon that can

1768
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 2: weird shadows rather than being something that obviously replicates venom.

1769
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,679
Speaker 1: I will say it does. It does you know, kind

1770
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: of like the Dark Hole. It does imprint itself.

1771
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 2: And yeah, very much like the Dark Cord.

1772
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 1: It corrupt very much like it. Very much like there

1773
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: are all. It corrupts the wielder and you know, to

1774
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 1: get it kind of into the weeds about like IP strategy.

1775
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 1: It may not be the symbiote, that might not be

1776
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: the plan, but it gives him the option exactly symbiote

1777
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: to do a non non symbiote if they so wish

1778
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: to do that.

1779
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 2: We know that there is a version or there is

1780
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 2: a tiny droplet of the venom symbia in a stinger

1781
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 2: with another Ted LASSU member. By the way, Marvel was like,

1782
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna do that Ted making it into the mc

1783
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 2: They were like, it's dandy. I mean that has to

1784
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 2: be he has to come back. There's no way that

1785
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: was just a cameo. But that venom symbia lives in

1786
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 2: the MCU, in our version of it. In our world.

1787
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,919
Speaker 2: Now we have this necrosord that is already manifesting symbia

1788
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 2: style shadows and monsters and beings. It does not seem

1789
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:54,719
Speaker 2: very hard to imagine that those two things could come

1790
01:44:54,800 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 2: together and create a non Tom Hardy's chaotic and van.

1791
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you, and let me ask you this.

1792
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: We have in your favorite MCU movie of all time,

1793
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: the Eternals. In the state of that film, we saw

1794
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: Dane Whitman the comics Black Knight come into possession finally

1795
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,839
Speaker 1: of the Ebony Blade, which when they showed it rippled

1796
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 1: in obition, it was very symbial like, now we've got

1797
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 1: these two black swords in the MCU proper. Obviously, the

1798
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Black Blade is you know, Arthurian legend magical except does

1799
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 1: correct people, that does corrupt people also, So I wonder

1800
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: how they if there is either a connection or if

1801
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: there's going to be very definite ways that they define

1802
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: these two swords differently from each other.

1803
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 2: So I I realized Slash Free lun Slash kind of

1804
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 2: cemented something today when I was writing about this, and

1805
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 2: a piece that you will inevitably be able to read

1806
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 2: when this comes out about the necrosord. Right, So very interestingly,

1807
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 2: in Thor Ragnarok, Hella's blades are called necroswords, and that

1808
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 2: is confirmed in what If that the helmet the reason

1809
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 2: it can shape shift and control the swords is because

1810
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 2: it is a necrosord, right. So I obviously it's not

1811
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 2: the version we've seen in the comics, and it doesn't

1812
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 2: seem to be connected to this, But I think the

1813
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 2: notion is going to be Like in the comics, there

1814
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 2: are many necro swords, and I think that whatever we whatever,

1815
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 2: I think the Ebony Blade is going to be the

1816
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 2: first necrosword. Maybe that's the one that was created by Null.

1817
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 2: I think that we're gonna and there's already multiple things

1818
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,839
Speaker 2: called necroswords in the MCU now, both introduced by Tiger

1819
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 2: and then confirmed by what If. So I think that

1820
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 2: that Ebony Blade rip all that can't be a coincidence,

1821
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 2: just like no Way.

1822
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I agree. I Finally, the question that everybody wants to know,

1823
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 1: where do we rank this movie in the pantheon? I

1824
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:06,759
Speaker 1: will go first. I I don't have a number ranking.

1825
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: I want to see it again before I give it

1826
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: like a top five, top eight, top ten ranking. That said,

1827
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's better than Ragnarok, but I have

1828
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 1: it right there in whatever tier, which is the top

1829
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: tier of MCU movies, which for me is like Ragnarok

1830
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: Winter Soldier Infinny were in game, et cetera. Like I

1831
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: have it there because I think it's so fun and

1832
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: original and really great. Like I have it right there,

1833
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: not better than Ragnarrock, but in the tier, whatever tier

1834
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: you want to put Ragnarok in, it's right there with it.

1835
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Where do you get you mine's exactly the same, Like

1836
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 2: my my, that top tier for me is like a

1837
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:52,679
Speaker 2: little bit different. You know, obviously the A Tunnels does

1838
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 2: sneak in that, but like you know, Ragnarok is up

1839
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 2: there for me. Like I absolutely loved Doctor Strange in

1840
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 2: the Multiverse of Madness. I'm definitely being like catered to

1841
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 2: in this weird kind of like strange adventure phase. But

1842
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 2: also like, yeah, this is whatever that top tier is this.

1843
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 2: I agree Ragnarok had that like you couldn't you couldn't

1844
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 2: see it coming and you could never know what it

1845
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 2: was and that made it like so impactful. But definitely

1846
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:30,760
Speaker 2: like Ragnarok Black Panther that top tier. But the first

1847
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,879
Speaker 2: twenty minutes of shan Chi that's just like the opening.

1848
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, like this is definitely in that top tier

1849
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 2: for me, and I'm I'm really excited for people to

1850
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 2: see it. I think this is I saw it when

1851
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 2: I saw Spider Man No Way Home when I came

1852
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 2: out of the theater. I saw it obviously at screening,

1853
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 2: and that's how we talked about it, but like I

1854
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 2: went to see it again and there were so many kids,

1855
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 2: every little kid, every gender, every kind of kid, in

1856
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 2: every kind of costume, in every kind of Spiderman T

1857
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 2: shirt from like four to you know, twenty one, like

1858
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 2: everyone that you could ever define as like a young person.

1859
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 2: And that was so cool. And I feel like that

1860
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 2: audience is gonna really love this movie, and I'm really

1861
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:23,919
Speaker 2: excited about that because like, yeah, we are the generation

1862
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 2: that we're lucky enough to basically like come up and

1863
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 2: be there when the MCU first happened in a way

1864
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 2: that was noticeable to us because we'd lived through like

1865
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 2: the nineties where there was like no superhor movies and

1866
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 2: then we'd had you know, these incredible non Marvel Studios movies,

1867
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 2: but like we got to feel that impact.

1868
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 6: But they're a kid who like that's all they've ever

1869
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 6: known as like blockbusters, and I kind of love the

1870
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 6: notion that this might be their favorite, this might be

1871
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 6: the one that really gets them excited and that makes

1872
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 6: them want to be a superhero or want to read

1873
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 6: more about superheroes and stuff that that just.

1874
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:00,080
Speaker 2: Warms my heart. I'm a grandma that way.

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01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's one of my favorite things, Rosie

1876
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: is hosting this podcast with you. I say, another great one.

1877
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: It's great to be back after a week off. Rosie.

1878
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: What do you have to plug? What's going on with Godzilla?

1879
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: What is happening in your life and career that you

1880
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: can take part in that we can read, that, we

1881
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: can watch it, we can listen to.

1882
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 2: Well, I will have lots of thought because going up,

1883
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 2: no surprises. I'm also got Miss Marvel stuff going up.

1884
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 2: You can find that nerdist IGN also doing a lot

1885
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 2: of anime coverage IGN. I know I got a lot

1886
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 2: of manga and anime lovers out there who listen to

1887
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 2: this podcast. So that's really cool. That's been nice to

1888
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:45,879
Speaker 2: dip into Godzilla Versus Batchel. The final order cutoff has passed,

1889
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 2: but that does not mean that you cannot go to

1890
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 2: your comic shop and say, hey, I would like a

1891
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 2: copy of Godzilla Versus Batchel of Rivals, which we found

1892
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 2: out sold very well in pre orders. Thank you so much.

1893
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 2: To everyone who pre ordered, and it's going to be

1894
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 2: really exciting. We're going to be doing sie. We are

1895
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 2: going to be doing an x ray Vision giveaway that

1896
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 2: we will have more information about soon.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we're going to be air dropping Godzilla Batra.

1898
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna be dropping it over your home when this

1899
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: time it comes out, Folks, stay tuned right here, because

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Speaker 1: we're going to be delivering it to you in a

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lorden soul Rubin. The show is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by myself and Sandy's Rhard Are editing and

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