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Speaker 1: glad you're telling me that, Bobby, and I'll tell you why,

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Speaker 1: Agent Bobby. So you're out there at this body of water.

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Speaker 1: of a an effect. There were keeps with pristine and

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Speaker 1: so when we looked at the video, we knew what

429
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Speaker 1: we had was probably a human foot and leg severed

430
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Speaker 1: somewhere around in the area. Did the foot, was it

431
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: wearing a shoe? Were the clothes attached? No? In fact,

432
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: we could see at that point other body parts in

433
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Speaker 1: the immediate area within a couple of feet of that,

434
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Speaker 1: and no clothing was found seen on any of the

435
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: body parts. At that point, I ready the divers to

436
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Speaker 1: get in the water. Were they just floating? Hold on?

437
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: Were they just floating together where they had the bottom?

438
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Speaker 1: Were they tied together? They were weighted down with weights,

439
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: some kind of weights, and all within about a fifteen

440
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Speaker 1: foot area, and they were in five pieces. I'm just

441
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: trying to take in what you're saying, Bobby Chicone. So

442
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: someone killed her, dismembered her body, weighted down the body parts,

443
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Speaker 1: and dumped them. They were all in about a fifteen

444
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: foot radius area, which means to me that someone drilled

445
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: a hold in the ice and dropped the body parts

446
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: into the hole. It's not as if there was a

447
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: boat speeding along the water, throwing the parts off as

448
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: it went. They're all right there together. Bobby Chicone, special

449
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: agent with the FBI sent there from la arrives to

450
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Speaker 1: the spot that they have deduced may reveal Samantha Konig's body,

451
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: drills through the ice, sends down an underwater robot and

452
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: it spots the body parts. Then what happens, Bobby, Well,

453
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: then we drill an even bigger hole. I'm big enough

454
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Speaker 1: to fit my divers, and I ready to divers to

455
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: go down and retrieve those five objects now that we

456
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: know are basically five parts of a human body. Oh

457
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: so waita whoa, wait wait, I'm just trying to just

458
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: just take this whole thing in because I'm looking right

459
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: now at video of all of you are masked out

460
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Speaker 1: on the ice. I've done a lot of cold water diving,

461
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: but not in temperatures like that, and certainly not to

462
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Speaker 1: go through a hole in the ice to bring up

463
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: the remains of a young girl. So what do you

464
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: say to a diver before you send them down into

465
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: that icy water. Well, you know, we're very focused, and

466
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: we try to compartmentalize the emotional aspects of this until

467
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: the mission is over. So to ready the divers, they

468
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: are very focus on their equipment because I'm sending them

469
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Speaker 1: into an area that is hostile to human life, and

470
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Speaker 1: so they have to remain alive to do their job

471
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: and that's the ultimate priority. So they're checking their gear.

472
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: They have help doing that. Defenders are checking their gear.

473
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Speaker 1: We're doing double and triple checks. The last thing I

474
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: do is I bring them over an image that we

475
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: print off from the video camera and from the sonar

476
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: and show them the approximate distance that the items are

477
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: from each other and where they are, and so that

478
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: they're prepared to go down and retrieve these items. They

479
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: have the necessary equipment, it's functioning properly, and they're going

480
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: to get in the water. They're going to defend It

481
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: was about forty feet deep, forty five feet deep, and

482
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: they're going to execute the recovery. And so they have

483
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Speaker 1: to be focused on that apart from the emotional aspects

484
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Speaker 1: of this mission. I already say, Bobby Jacone, retired FBI

485
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: special Agent, that you have to compartmentalize, and I think

486
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: you're still doing it because you refer to this girl

487
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: Somat those severed legs and feet as items. Is that

488
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: how you deal with it? Well, yeah, I think you're right.

489
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what we do. You know, we

490
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: never never refer to the victim by name when we're

491
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: on site. We never refer to the person until afterwards.

492
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Speaker 1: And and sometimes you just get into the habit of

493
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: doing that, and that's for many different reasons. Remember, we

494
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: go to Anchorage and we aid FBI agents check into

495
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: a local hotel. You know, when Samantha's missing, people start

496
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: to talk, and so we have out of town reporters,

497
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: and we have out of town family members that may

498
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Speaker 1: be staying at the same hotel, things like that. So

499
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: we have to develop our own kind of code language

500
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Speaker 1: so that we don't say something that someone else overhears

501
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: that's either insensitive, that's either perceived as insensitive, or just

502
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: information about the investigation that we don't want out yet

503
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: or the investigators in charge don't want out yet. So

504
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: you do tend to compartmentalize it, both for operational security

505
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: reasons and for emotional reasons. You know, this was not

506
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: the first body that we recovered. We'd do a lot

507
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: of child recoveries of even younger children. So there are

508
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: ways that we have to deal with it, and we

509
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: do that, and so compartmentalizing it and looking at it

510
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: as we call it, the target, we talked about what

511
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: we're looking for in recovery. But it's best, in my experience,

512
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: it's best to divorce yourself from that emotion at the

513
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: time being because we're diving in such dangerous conditions that

514
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: you have to really focus on staying alive and doing

515
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: the job, and emotions can cause you to make mistakes

516
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: that you could be detrimental to that. Missions and volunteers

517
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: of braiding, sub basing temperatures, and an all out search

518
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: for eighteen year old Cementaconage. Eighteen year old Samanthaconage was

519
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: closing up the coffee stand where she worked when cops say,

520
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: surveillance video, surveillance video, so it's an armed man abducting

521
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: her and taking her away one terrifying flue. She was

522
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: last seen on her surveillance camera being maunched away from

523
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Speaker 1: work by an armed man. Welcome Mac, this is Chris Stories.

524
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. You were hearing me searching for Samantha

525
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: on HLN with me, Robin Willinski, Ashley Willcot, Cheryl McCollum,

526
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: and returned. FBI special agent Bobby Chicone, sent to bring

527
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Speaker 1: Samantha's body up from underneath frozen waters. Bobby, how did you,

528
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: you send divers down, they come up, what do they

529
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: hand up her body parts through the icehole? Well, what

530
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: we do is we take a body bag and underwater

531
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Speaker 1: body bag. We have special body bags that you'd see

532
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: at any crime scene, but these are special for underwater.

533
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: They're made of a material that is special for underwater

534
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: and so and normally what we would do is we

535
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: would take down a bag for each body part and

536
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: they would be bagged separately. However, in this case, the

537
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: special nature of this case was that we were told,

538
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: for investigative reasons, that the dismemberment and the fact that

539
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: it was in five different pieces, was going to be

540
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: kept a secret. Now, we had some media attention, we

541
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: had cameras on the lake the edge pointed at us,

542
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: so they did not want us to bring up the

543
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: parts separately, and so we put my divers put all

544
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: five pieces into one body bag, and they brought the

545
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: body bag up to the surface, and then myself and

546
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: others helped lift the body bag out of the water

547
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: and the medical examiner we had them there. Their investigators

548
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: had set up a pop up shelter near the hole

549
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: in the ice, and we put we brought the bag

550
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: into that shelter away from the public's attention, and we

551
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: were able to open the bag and put it on

552
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: the table. Open the bag, and then the medical examiner

553
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: and myself could go through the contents of the bag.

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00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: When you open the bag, what did you see? I

555
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: saw two human legs, a human torso, a human head,

556
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: and two human arms that were tied together. So those

557
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: were the five pieces. Each leg was separate, the torso

558
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: was separate, the two arms were actually tied together, and

559
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: the head was separate. You know, I'm pausing right now

560
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: because I was trying to take in what you're saying,

561
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and you're in a pop up. I'm looking at it,

562
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: a white tent out on frozen frozen water there outside

563
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: of Anchorage, Alaska. And you open the bag, and that

564
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: is when you see the severed body parts. Did you

565
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: know immediately it was Samantha Koenig? Yes, how well, first

566
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Speaker 1: of all her, when I held her head in my hands,

567
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I could tell it was her. When I turned head

568
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: over and looked at her face, I made a facial recognition.

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Speaker 1: And also we had been told that her eyelids had

570
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: been sown open, and so I could still see that

571
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: her eyelids in fact, had been sown open. I'm sorry,

572
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: what did you just say? I did not know this

573
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: what so previously we were told that a ransom demand

574
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: had been made for this individual, and the individual had

575
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: taken a picture of the person, and the person was

576
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: already deceased, and to make the to make the person

577
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: look alive and the photographs, the person had shown the

578
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: person's eyelids open and then took the photograph, put makeup on,

579
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: and then and then took the photograph and then sent

580
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the photograph with a ransom demand. The person had already

581
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: been deceased obviously when the photograph was taken, but they

582
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: were trying to hide the fact that the person was deceased.

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Speaker 1: Robin Malinsky, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Is that true? Unfortunately,

584
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: it is true that she was already dead and whoever

585
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: did this to her, you know, really takes your breath away. Yes,

586
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: in fact, showed her eyelids open so she would look alive,

587
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: and actually took makeup like you would use on your

588
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: face before you do a TV program. That's powder kind

589
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: of makeup with a sponge and put it on her

590
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: face to give her color, you know. Ashley Willcott I've

591
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: cried a lot of murder cases. I've investigated a lot

592
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: of murder cases, and they only times that I have

593
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: heard of this type of staging is from serial killers.

594
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy would take his victims and redress them and

595
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: bathe them, and dress them and fix their hair and

596
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: put on makeup on them. BTK would redress his victims

597
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: and take photos of them. I'm just trying to take

598
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Speaker 1: in what kind of a mind would do this to Samantha. Koenig, Well,

599
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's something a rational person just can

600
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: never understand. It's a sociopath, an antisocial behavior person who

601
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: does this, and he described himself as having I don't

602
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: know if people want to say that strike that. I'm

603
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: so sorry. Anyways, the nisocial sociopath personality does this. It

604
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: is not normal brain functioning. A rational person cannot understand

605
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: how anyone can possibly do this to a human body.

606
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: Then a tip new surveillance footage captured by a neighboring

607
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: business from the night of Samantha's abduction. We're able to

608
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: determine that Samantha walked to a white pickup truck and

609
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: then the truck drives away. They could estimate about the

610
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: year that it was built, it was like a ninety

611
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: nine through two thousand and seven Chevalley pickup truck with white.

612
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: So at that point it's a matter of trying to

613
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: track down how many of those vehicles are in the

614
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: Anchorage Bowl, and there were several thousand of them. Due

615
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: to the growing scope of the case, local authorities contact

616
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: the FBI Field office. When you bring manpower, we bring expertise, profilers.

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: You know, these are things that sometimes a local police

618
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: department might not have. The FBI assigns Joelene Goden as

619
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Speaker 1: the lead investigator. Jolene's pretty well known as someone who's

620
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: a top agent, and one thing Jolene excels at is

621
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Speaker 1: she can delve into somebody's history with the best of it.

622
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: We're reviewing social media, we're reviewing phone wreckers. We're really

623
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: looking at anything we possibly can to determine is this

624
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: a personal thing with Samantha as a person that took her,

625
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: somebody that knew her, or is this truly a stranger abduction.

626
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Then two and a half weeks after Samantha's abduction, there's

627
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: a chilling turn in the case. Her boyfriend just goes

628
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: sheet white. He's got his phone and there's a text

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Speaker 1: from her phone. Basically it says Connor's Park underneath Albert Pick,

630
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: Ain't she purty? Authority's race to Connor's Lake Park, just

631
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: five miles southwest of downtown Anchorage, not knowing what's waiting

632
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: for them. When you enter that park, there's a bulletin

633
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: board and tact was a zip block bag that had

634
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: what ultimately was a photograph of Samantha and a ransom

635
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: note the fact that there was a ransom note really

636
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: ratchets upon the tension because, Okay, she's alive, and what

637
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: are we going to do to get her back? You're

638
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: hearing our friends at Oxygen and joining me an FBI agent,

639
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: a special agent that worked the case, Bobby Chicone. Bobby,

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00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: when you told me her eyes were sewn open when

641
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: you recovered her body, it was almost more than I

642
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: could take him. And you're telling me that in this

643
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: photo that was texted to her boyfriend, her eyes were

644
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: open and she appeared to be alive. Yeah, I mean

645
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I think that was the intent. I think part of

646
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: the investigation was sending that photograph than to our forensic

647
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: photographer unit at the FBI laboratory in Quantico where they were. Um,

648
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, they took a closer look at it, and

649
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the determination of that, but normally they

650
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: would be able to tell whether or not the person

651
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: was alive. I think he may have even staged a

652
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: newspaper from that particular day in the photograph to even

653
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: more verify that she was alive on a certain date.

654
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: So I don't know how long it took to get

655
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: that photograph to our forensic photographer unit to look at

656
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: closely and do what they could. I think it was

657
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: a polaroid that makes it harder to look at sou

658
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, they would. They were probably really trying to

659
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: determine whether or not the photograph was legitimate and in fact,

660
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 1: whether the person depicted in the photograph was actually alive

661
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: when the photograph was taken. Except for the abduction of

662
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: eighteen year old Samantha, Comic authorities still have no clues

663
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: or any evidence connecting Israel Keys to her disappearance, until

664
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: a text message sent from Samantha's phone directs investigators to

665
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: their biggest clue yet, a ransom note with a picture

666
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: of the missing girl in the photograph. Samantha was bound

667
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: tape on her mouth, but it was obviously intentionally made fuzzier.

668
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: So if they took the photograph to her father for

669
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: him to identify it, he, after looking at it for

670
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: a long time, said, yes, that's Samantha, but her hair

671
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: was in a braid, and Samantha never wore her hair

672
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that way. In the ransom note, Samantha's kidnapper demands thirty

673
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollars be placed in her bank account. Is really

674
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: our biggest break because we know that we can still

675
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: potentially have contact with the person responsible for taking Samantha.

676
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Authorities worked with her dad to deposit a portion of

677
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the ransom, and then they wait. I told them he's

678
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: going to use her debit card. If he was going

679
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: to do something stupid, that was going to be the

680
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: one thing he did that was stupid. We could find him.

681
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: They had worked out a deal with the bank so

682
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: that Anchorage Police Department and the FBI would be notified

683
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: immediately when her debit card was used for anything. So

684
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: a few days go by, and at this point we

685
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: have our first ATM withdrawal from Samantha's account. There were

686
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: three withdrawals in the city of Anchorage, A five hundred

687
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: dollars the daily limit in all of the ATM situations

688
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: where he was using the debit card. As soon as

689
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: the alerts came, we dispatched law enforcement there as quickly

690
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: as we could, but there were literally minutes behind him.

691
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: Then the account went silent, and on March seventh, detectives

692
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: were kind of shocked because there was a withdrawal from

693
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: an ATM in Wilcox, Arizona. Then there was another withdrawal

694
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: in Lordsburg, New Mexico. The next withdrawal was March tenth

695
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: in Humble, Texas, and then shortly after there was a

696
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: withdrawal in Shepherd, Texas. Each time this money was withdrawn,

697
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: it was drawn by a person wearing a mask. Joining

698
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: me right now, FBI Special Agent Bobby Chicomb. Bobby was

699
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: something as simple as an ATM withdrawal or a credit

700
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: card all the way across the country in Texas. What

701
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: that card was, Samantha Koenigs. Yes, And in fact, now

702
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: we have a trail. So now we have basically our

703
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: first big break in the case. We see it used

704
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: in Anchorage, and then there's a break in time, and

705
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: then we see it now used again in the southwestern

706
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: part of the United States. So now we have a

707
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: trail a suspect that may be traveling. So we have

708
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: to get on that and assume that this person is

709
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: moving on the move, and we need to track him

710
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: and we need to catch up with him. What happens next.

711
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: There are more ATM withdrawals in the case, and each time,

712
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: as Jolene said, the authorities are minutes behind and the

713
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: responding to the ATMs. However, on one of the ATMs,

714
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: just one is the person using that card was very

715
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: careful not to be seen, as we know that the

716
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: ATM's film whenever you put your card in, But each

717
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: time the person is wearing a hood and you can't

718
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: see the facial features and you and they're in the

719
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: picture for a very short period of time, and then

720
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you see nothing when they exit. You don't see a

721
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: vehicle go by or anything except one very conscientious person

722
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: handalyst that was reviewing the videos of one particular ATM transaction,

723
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: waits and just before the camera cuts off, a vehicle

724
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: goes through the film the video. Now, on a hunch,

725
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: they say this could be the vehicle based on the

726
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: time of day of the transaction and the location of

727
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: the transaction, and so they start looking at that particular

728
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: vehicle on the video and ultimately all points bulletin goes

729
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: out on that vehicle in that area and is told

730
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: to all local law enforcement in that area by this

731
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: time in Texas, and they're on the lookout for this

732
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: certain kind of vehicle and that's where we are in

733
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: the case. So you find the vehicle and it turns

734
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: out to be none other than Israel Keys. Who is

735
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Israel Keys? Robin Wilenski, Well, he is a guy who

736
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: was working in Alaska, and they are able to track

737
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: down what Bobby just said, the Ford Focus, a white

738
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: Ford Focus that he was driving, and the Texas police

739
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: officers pull him over and they say license and registration, sir,

740
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: And there he is with his face with the Alaska

741
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: driver's license, and they already realized that they have their man.

742
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: And then they opened the trunk nancy of that Ford

743
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Focus and in the back is Samantha's debit card and

744
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: some clothes and a gun, and so they believe that

745
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: he is the man now that abducted her from the

746
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: coffee shop all those miles away from Anchorage, Alaska. Bobby Coon.

747
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Once you start questioning Israel Keys, what do you learn well,

748
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: the investigative team is questioning him an anchorage, and they

749
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: learned that they learned a number of things over the

750
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: course of the first two days to three days of

751
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: their interrogation, and one they learned that he does admit

752
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: that he is the person responsible for abducting Samantha. Take

753
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: a listen to Israel Keys caught on video and the

754
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: things I've done. And I didn't do them because I

755
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about him, and I didn't do them

756
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: because I felt I had no other choice. I did

757
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: him for myself. So it's just as good. It's better

758
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: actually for me to keep them to myself because they're

759
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: from their mind. And so unless I'm going to get

760
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: something in return aside from just an ego boost by

761
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: talking about them, that I'm not going to talk about them.

762
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't have any interest in it. My oldly regret

763
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: is that that I tried to have as much self

764
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: control as I did. I'm not I'm happy about the

765
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: life I lived, and you know, as long as I

766
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: got away with it. But that being said, it was

767
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: considering that's all I have now, and it be better

768
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: to have more and more memories. Do you think that's

769
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: like a part of the memories, part from them. It

770
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: is now, well, it is now. It's never never was

771
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: a consideration before. I was more interested in the next plan.

772
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Oxygen as we

773
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: hear a description of how the FBI got Keys to talk.

774
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: After presenting Keys with the overwhelming evidence, Prosecutor Frank Russel

775
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: and Special Agent Joline Goden get him to agree to

776
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: a full confession, but first he makes a few demands.

777
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: The mood significantly changed once we first got to hear

778
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: from his roel Keys. It was clear just how cold

779
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: and calculating he was. I can give you the rest

780
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: of the story, like you know everything that happened if

781
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: I get a cigar. He wanted an Americano when he

782
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: wanted a peanut butter Snickers bar, and he wanted an

783
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to smoke a cigar, which at the time we

784
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: thought were pretty silly. But if that's what it was

785
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: going to take for him to talk with us, we

786
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: were willing to do that. That was when he began

787
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: relating details of the kidnapping of Samantha Cone. He had

788
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: a shed in his driveway and ultimately he puts Samantha

789
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: in the shed and she's bound in the shed. There

790
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: he was drinking alcohol and smoking cigars and then turned

791
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: up the music so that any sounds that we're irregular

792
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be heard by his girlfriend daughter who were in

793
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: the house or the neighbors, and he sexually assaulted her

794
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: through the night. Considering the horrific ordeal Keys claims to

795
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: have enacted right outside his home, the FBI is shocked

796
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: to find out that Keys has a living girlfriend and

797
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: a ten year old daughter. His girlfriend and their child

798
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: had absolutely no clue about what he was up to him.

799
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: He indicates of Samantha that his goal is to get

800
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: money and if he gets money, that he intends to

801
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: let her go. There was no truth to that. He

802
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: had no intention of letting her go. And while she's

803
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: in the shed is when he goes back to the

804
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: coffee standbill to get her phone, get her debit card,

805
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: and actually goes to an ATM to see how much

806
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: money is in her account, and then returns to the

807
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: shed in the morning. He killed her my strangulation and

808
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: also he stabbed her. Cheryl McCollum, what about that. Bobby

809
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: and his fellow FBI did a remarkable job. One of

810
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: the most alliant things they did when questioning this guy

811
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: was allowing him to have a cigar. What that did

812
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: was not only relaxed him, but gave him automatic recall

813
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: about the murder of Bill and Lorraine Courier. That was genius.

814
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: But does he ever describe what happened to Samantha. Although

815
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: Special Agent Golden's team Fierce Keys is telling the truth,

816
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: they need to know they can take him at his word.

817
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: They test the waters, asking Keys to direct them to

818
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Samantha's body in exchange for another Americano and Snicker's bar.

819
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: He obliges, continuing his confession with the moments immediately following

820
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: the murder. The morning after the kidnapping, Israel Keys rolled

821
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: her body up and stuck it in a box in

822
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: his shed, and then Wokea's girlfriend up and his child up,

823
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: went to New Orleans, boarded a cruise ship, and then

824
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: came back about two to two and a half weeks later.

825
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: Because of the cold temperatures, she had frozen, and then

826
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: he thought her out and had to apply makeup to

827
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: her in order to make her look more lifelike. And

828
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: also he told detectives he braided her hair, as he

829
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: had braided his daughter's hair and taken her photograph to

830
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: be used in the ransom note, not knowing that she

831
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: never wore her hair that way. After sending the ransom note,

832
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: he dismembers Samantha's body, and he tried to find a

833
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: deep lake near the anchorage area, and he had found

834
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Mattnuska Lake, and he actually went to where on the

835
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: map he felt one of the deepest areas was in

836
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: the lane. A lot of ice fishermen out there, so

837
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: he used that as a ruse to cut a hole

838
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: in the ice and ultimately disposed her for body there.

839
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: So I asked him kind of like his apropos of nothing,

840
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: I just well, did you catch any fish? And he said, yeah,

841
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: I got fish. What did you do with him? Because

842
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: I took him home and ate them. So that really

843
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: kind of turned my stomach as well, that this guy,

844
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: would you know, kind of he's disposing of a body,

845
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: catching fish and going home and serving him to his family.

846
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Special Asia Bobby Chicane with us. Now, Bobby, as you

847
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: look back on the disappearance and the murder of the

848
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: recovery of Samantha Koenig, what are your thoughts. You know.

849
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: The feeling that I have, you know obviously is one

850
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: of you know, sadness overall sadness. This is a young

851
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: woman who had struggles in her life at times, and

852
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: really by all accounts that string her life out, was

853
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: working again and was really on a right path in

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Speaker 1: her life. UM when by the most random of events,

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Speaker 1: because of its location. Um. This had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with her. The crime did not target her. This was

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Speaker 1: a crime of opportunity by someone who saw the location

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Speaker 1: was going to do, um, to abduct and murder her

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Speaker 1: because he could do it and not get caught. And

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Speaker 1: So when I look back at this young person's life

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Speaker 1: that's ended by you know, in such a brutal way

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Speaker 1: and by such a monster. Uh, you know, it's one

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Speaker 1: of those things that you it feels you with such

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Speaker 1: such sadness for her, for her family, um, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and knowing that monsters are out there like that walking

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Speaker 1: among us in everyday life, in everyday life. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, Sliding Off, Goodbye Friend,