Speaker 1: Also media. Oo, Garrison, Hi, are you gonna get Are
Speaker 1: you going to give an atonal shriek? Or are you
Speaker 1: not going to be a team player today?
Speaker 2: I don't know what tone I would even try to
Speaker 2: imitate for an atonal shriek. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, you want to you wanna go
Speaker 1: to David Lynch in the Afterlife and say that's the
Speaker 1: atonal shriek that I gave when I had a chance
Speaker 1: to perform, Garrison to really sing my heart out on camera.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll have a never opportunity again to do
Speaker 2: an a tonal shriek.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, any literally, anytime you're on the show. Have
Speaker 1: you been in the week or so since we first
Speaker 1: started reading Blue Dawn?
Speaker 2: Pretty good? I've not been doing as much other reading
Speaker 2: as I would like to, but that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's too hot to read.
Speaker 1: It's too hot to read. Yeah, wow, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I grew up in Texas, so everything inside was
Speaker 1: always fifty five degrees, so I've never known that. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to break that spell for you, Garrison,
Speaker 1: because we're going to get back into reading the next
Speaker 1: two chapters of Blaine Parda's Blue Dawn, which is, as
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, like a fantasy novel of
Speaker 1: what certain people on the right think Antifa is capable of,
Speaker 1: and as a result, it comes across in parts as
Speaker 1: like oh if only, if only. But it's interesting too
Speaker 1: because you get these like this kind of vision of
Speaker 1: like what they think was about to happen, which is
Speaker 1: fun because of like, I mean, we just know what happened,
Speaker 1: like the reality.
Speaker 2: Is this because it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this movie they were so terrified of. Like no,
Speaker 1: I mean, like people were angry, but there was never
Speaker 1: any cohesive effort to take over the country or any
Speaker 1: real desire to among a large number of people. Most
Speaker 1: of the people who went out in the streets in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty were just angry because the cops suck and
Speaker 1: then they went home.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, they were They were not planning to
Speaker 2: take over the United States Capitol building.
Speaker 1: They certainly didn't have together to like lay siege to
Speaker 1: two military bases while taking the Capitol and the White House. No,
Speaker 1: but let's get back into the fantasy. Chapter four, the
Speaker 1: greatest heroes are victims, which is like presented as a Christ,
Speaker 1: but they don't say you said it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that is very much like there's not There was a
Speaker 1: famous Nazi quote like the Jew cries out while he
Speaker 1: strikes you, right, Like, it's this thing the right has
Speaker 1: always done where anyone who is a victim is really
Speaker 1: secretly our oppressor, because that's how they get you, by
Speaker 1: pointing out that you're doing things that hurt them.
Speaker 2: That's also how a whole bunch of these conservative men
Speaker 2: also just like view all women. Yes, how the victim
Speaker 2: is secretly the oppressor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's the kind of thing you have
Speaker 1: to believe if you're primarily going to spend your life
Speaker 1: victimizing people, Right, if you decided the thing that I
Speaker 1: do is hurt people, then you really have to make
Speaker 1: it clear that the actual actually being a bad guy
Speaker 1: is being the person who gets hurt, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: bully logic, right, Yeah, my fist wouldn't hit anything if
Speaker 1: your face wasn't there. So we start back with the
Speaker 1: story of Raoul Lopez, who is our young Mexican American
Speaker 1: immigrant who's gotten a job with the Youth Core. Now,
Speaker 1: the Youth Core Garrison is clearly modeled in part after
Speaker 1: the Civilian Conservation Corp. Which is an organization that was
Speaker 1: started during the FDR administration to deal with the consequence
Speaker 1: of all these people being out of work in the depression.
Speaker 1: A lot of my family is alive because my grandpa,
Speaker 1: you know, got a job through the Triple C. The
Speaker 1: Timberline Lodge up here in Oregon, which is incredibly beautiful building,
Speaker 1: was made as a result of, you know, these mass
Speaker 1: civilian employment efforts. Most of our national parks and stuff,
Speaker 1: a lot of them got started. My grandpa was doing
Speaker 1: out in Oklahoma was largely like building trails and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's one of the better things that we did in
Speaker 1: this book. It is a sinister example of the evil
Speaker 1: government destroying the populace, and it's both One of the
Speaker 1: things that's interesting about Blaine is he can't pick a lane,
Speaker 1: so he's aware enough to know that, like he has
Speaker 1: the issue with the environmentalists that a lot of conservatives have,
Speaker 1: which is they think that, like everyone who's concerned about
Speaker 1: global warming just wants to put an end to modern civilization.
Speaker 1: And so he kind of accidentally there's a moment here
Speaker 1: where it seems like someone who has more knowledge of
Speaker 1: the left might be parodying and narco primitivists right where
Speaker 1: this youth Cores. They're cleaning up these destroyed factories and
Speaker 1: whatnot that have all collapsed, but they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: use any technology or vehicles because it all emits. So
Speaker 1: they're like disassimpling factories brick by brick, hand to hand.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things somebody who actually like
Speaker 1: knew anything about the left. Theoretically you could do a
Speaker 1: parody of like the anarcho primitivest scene or something here,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't know that those people exist. He just
Speaker 1: thinks this is like anyone who believes in the EPA
Speaker 1: like would be doing this.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's like your average Elizabeth Warren voter. Yeah, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, not not the case.
Speaker 1: No, no, And it's very funny. Yeah, there's an interesting
Speaker 1: line here where we also get kind of how Blaine
Speaker 1: thinks people from Mexico might look at the United States.
Speaker 1: The youth Core officer that gave the lecture had talked
Speaker 1: about how the companies had taken billions in profits and
Speaker 1: made the workers get by with paltry bonuses. Some of
Speaker 1: the factories he saw were massive and impressive, and it
Speaker 1: struck Raoul as wrong that the businesses had taken advantage
Speaker 1: of their people in such a way. When he saw
Speaker 1: all of the neighborhoods on their tour drive, he found
Speaker 1: himself wondering just how bad off the employees were. We
Speaker 1: never had homes like this in Mexico for oppressed people.
Speaker 1: They seem to have good places to live.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Okay, it's like, were they.
Speaker 1: Driving through the neighborhoods that people who worked in the
Speaker 1: factories lived in, were they like or where those Yeah.
Speaker 2: Saying that people in Mexico are like the most oppressed
Speaker 2: people is not a common American political talking point.
Speaker 1: No, no, even liberals tend to have pretty shitty opinions
Speaker 1: on immigrants. So again there's this piece of it that
Speaker 1: verges on satire of like fringe ideology. It's just interesting.
Speaker 1: I think the way that they do this. So he's
Speaker 1: like they're cleaning up and rolls, like, boy, you know,
Speaker 1: in Mexico we would use like cars or something for this.
Speaker 1: And the friend he's made in Youth Corps is like, no,
Speaker 1: it's better we do it by hand running the heavy
Speaker 1: equipment that only pollutes the air. Yes, it's faster, but
Speaker 1: look at all the material we're saving for reuse. There
Speaker 1: were so many clean air acts out of the district
Speaker 1: in the last few years that it was hard to
Speaker 1: keep track of them. Everyone said they were worried about pollution.
Speaker 1: No one makes the Chinese Russians comply, though they are
Speaker 1: the biggest polluters. The chairman of the Ruling Council summed
Speaker 1: it up best. It's not important that they do. What's
Speaker 1: important is what we can do. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that's going on here is he's like, this is
Speaker 1: literally like four years after the revolution, and they've just
Speaker 1: started calling DC the disc which, like it kind of
Speaker 1: works in like fucking hunger games, because it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be hundreds of years after people call stuff different now,
Speaker 1: but it's like five years. That's like if we now
Speaker 1: called DC the district after because of like Trump selection
Speaker 1: or something like. It's just that's not long enough for
Speaker 1: that kind of change to happen. Man, I don't believe you.
Speaker 1: It's also unclear how this government works because AOC still
Speaker 1: has a job and the FBI still basically exists, but
Speaker 1: there's like a chairman and a ruling council as opposed
Speaker 1: to a president just unclear to me how this government
Speaker 1: actually functions. So this facility had been abandoned for decades.
Speaker 1: According to the troop leader, it had been used by
Speaker 1: homeless people as a shelter. That area had been the
Speaker 1: worst to demolish, the stint shift, stale urine and garbage
Speaker 1: mixed mingled with body odor. Those days were gone. The
Speaker 1: homeless didn't exist, not according to the administration. There were
Speaker 1: economically displaced, in transition and shelter dependent people, but the
Speaker 1: word homeless was never used. It was simply a banned word.
Speaker 1: The role had to admit he didn't understand the distinctions
Speaker 1: so well. The ones that had been in the abandoned
Speaker 1: factory had looked homeless enough to him.
Speaker 2: It was it was a band ord. You're not allowed
Speaker 2: to stay homeless anymore because of what.
Speaker 1: No, if all of this was like more consistent again,
Speaker 1: you could at least try to make a point about
Speaker 1: stuff like people obsessing over like should you use and
Speaker 1: housed or homeless as supposed to? Like what would she
Speaker 1: we actually do to like help people who are housing
Speaker 1: and secure, like not live on the street, right, Like
Speaker 1: what action should we take? Sure's there's things you could
Speaker 1: say there, but he just gets bogged down and like
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: The orwell nightmare of yeah, there being a word you
Speaker 2: just can't say anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it makes the government inconsistent because they
Speaker 1: forced all of the suburban, middle class white people out
Speaker 1: of their homes. So are these the formerly suburban people
Speaker 1: or these the same homeless who were homeless before and
Speaker 1: the government just didn't do anything for them. We're not
Speaker 1: going to explain that because that would actually be like
Speaker 1: competent world building, which we're we're not going to do
Speaker 1: in this book, right not. And again you could, at
Speaker 1: least it would still be weird right wing propaganda. But
Speaker 1: if it became clear that like all of these homeless
Speaker 1: people living in the ruins had like five years ago
Speaker 1: been middle managers at like Boeing, like that's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe interesting, right, Like you could do something with that.
Speaker 1: But he's not going to do anything with that, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah. As he carefully loaded the wheelbarrow, making sure
Speaker 1: that it stayed balanced, he noticed the old graffiti on
Speaker 1: the wall, freedom lost in fading orange print. Looking at it,
Speaker 1: he wondered as to its meaning. What freedoms had been lost?
Speaker 1: He felt free to do what he wanted as long
Speaker 1: as he followed the rules. What are you doing, Cadet Lopez,
Speaker 1: His troop leader, Avalon Winston, barked out to him, and
Speaker 1: that is I think our nineteen eighty four reference is
Speaker 1: this guy who was like the the milk toast liberal
Speaker 1: that's like secretly sinister, is named Winston. I was looking
Speaker 1: at the wall. That's subversive content, the trup leader replied,
Speaker 1: looking at the wall as if it were a piece
Speaker 1: of pornography. You shouldn't even read it. Also, should this
Speaker 1: guy not be negative about pornography?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, wouldn't he be rad with pornography because he's the evil,
Speaker 1: degenerate leftist. You shouldn't even read it. It doesn't say much,
Speaker 1: only two words, The troop leader walked over to him.
Speaker 1: You were probably just a kid at the time. You
Speaker 1: don't remember the right wing radical standoffs with the NSF,
Speaker 1: the bombings and violent protests. The people who wrote that
Speaker 1: were clinging to long outdated ideals that went back to
Speaker 1: the founding of their country. They wasted the rights they
Speaker 1: had and corrupted the rights they believed were theirs. Look
Speaker 1: at guns. Gun crimes are down because we've rounded them up.
Speaker 1: Those people fought against the safety that we offered. They
Speaker 1: said we were anarchists, but in reality they were sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't look at the wall anymore because who Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also just like, yeah, this graffiti freedom lost, that's
Speaker 1: bad graffiti. It's like, that's not an incisive political commentary.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like there is a lot of bad
Speaker 2: political graffiti out there.
Speaker 1: There is. But what I don't believe is that Raoul
Speaker 1: would see that, and I wonder what freedoms were lost?
Speaker 1: That really got me thinking. But no, like, your eyes
Speaker 1: are just gonna go over that, right, Like.
Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna it's not gonna induce any any
Speaker 2: deep contemplation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to make like graffiti, to competently do graffiti
Speaker 1: that like might like reach someone, he would have to
Speaker 1: like have characters with an interior mind, and these people
Speaker 1: really don't. Anyway, we go immediately from this, while Raoul
Speaker 1: is like cleaning up this destroyed factory, to some some
Speaker 1: very out of place seeming Islamophobia. Standing in the sunlight
Speaker 1: just outside of the building were five young men. They
Speaker 1: had dark complexions and they seemed to be angry. Raoul
Speaker 1: could see it in their faces and the way they
Speaker 1: stood arms crossed, their mouths drawn to tight frowns, and
Speaker 1: air of defiance emanated from them. What can I help
Speaker 1: you with? The troop leader called out to them, your people,
Speaker 1: they didn't stop when the prayer siren went off, The
Speaker 1: tallest of the men said bitterly. They continued to work
Speaker 1: through their prayers. Now for several days. You must stop
Speaker 1: when you hear the siren. It is fager, it is sacred.
Speaker 1: His voice was thick with a Farsia accent. How does
Speaker 1: first off, Raoul is this didn't really receive an education,
Speaker 1: like like undocumented immigrant? How does Raoul know what a
Speaker 1: Farsi accent is?
Speaker 2: But where did you learn that? I still can't get
Speaker 2: over a prayer siren? I'm sorry, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1: It's also like again, it shows that the author has
Speaker 1: never been to a Muslim country or even around Muslims,
Speaker 1: because like, I have been to numerous Muslim majority nations
Speaker 1: where there's a call to prayer, and I have been
Speaker 1: visibly outdoors working during the call to prayer. I've been
Speaker 1: outdoors drinking water and eating during Ramadan. And you know
Speaker 1: who never gave me shit is a single person because
Speaker 1: it's their religion and they know, like that's some fucking
Speaker 1: white America's He's not gonna he's not a bank like
Speaker 1: keeping Ramadan, Like I'm not gonna give him shit for this,
Speaker 1: Like yeah.
Speaker 2: I just love the idea of the prayer siren being
Speaker 2: this like horrible sign of how far we've we've come. Yes,
Speaker 2: but like church bells are essentially the same thing, like yes,
Speaker 2: we have our own version of the prayers syen well.
Speaker 1: And it's also there's this attitude. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: you get with like these people who are like I
Speaker 1: think this happened in the some one European country's trying
Speaker 1: to keep migrants out where they're like, we just put
Speaker 1: pig manure around the border. And it's like do you
Speaker 1: think it's like kryptonite to Muslims? Like they're not even
Speaker 1: banned from touching pork products. That's not how it is.
Speaker 1: They're not supposed to like eat pork. But also they're
Speaker 1: specifically allowed to if they're starving. There's no rule that
Speaker 1: says they can't like step in cowman or a pig manure,
Speaker 1: Like that's not you don't know anything about these people,
Speaker 1: Like they don't go to hell if they get shot
Speaker 1: by a bullet covered in pork fat. That would be
Speaker 1: a weird thing for Mohammad to have put in the karate.
Speaker 2: No, I mean all of these, all of these things
Speaker 2: are more useful as phantasms than an actual you know,
Speaker 2: understanding the different people are cultures.
Speaker 1: And it's this thing, this belief that like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: culture prayer where it exists, is this like authoritarian command.
Speaker 1: Whereas like, again, having been around it a lot, most
Speaker 1: of what you see is people who are Muslims in
Speaker 1: the street not stopping, like continuing to go about their day.
Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot because like Muslims are people
Speaker 1: who live in a modern country too, and like they
Speaker 1: don't follow every rule the strictest way that it can
Speaker 1: be followed, because nobody does. And my personal opinion is
Speaker 1: I actually really miss that. It's like nice, it adds
Speaker 1: atmosphere to your day, Like I found it really soothing
Speaker 1: waking up to and going to sleep. I miss it
Speaker 1: actually when I'm not there. So I don't know, this
Speaker 1: guy's just a bigot and he doesn't know anything about Muslims.
Speaker 1: But let's continue.
Speaker 2: I can't believe the author of this book. I'm canceling
Speaker 2: my Audible subscription I can't support this anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the this is this is what did
Speaker 1: it for you.
Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Let's let's continue. It was a call to prayer. Another
Speaker 1: man snapped, you're defying the will of a law and
Speaker 1: insulting us if one you continue to work while we pray.
Speaker 1: This is back to Raoul's thoughts. Ah, they must be Muslim,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. He had been told when they arrived
Speaker 1: in Detroit that there was a large Muslim population in
Speaker 1: the area. Troop leader Winston tried to diffuse the situation.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we meant no offense. We don't practice your faith.
Speaker 1: Most of my troop are Catholics, some follow no religion
Speaker 1: at all. The lanky man stepped closer, only a few
Speaker 1: freet from Winston. You will stop your work at the
Speaker 1: times of our prayer. His tone was filled with a rage.
Speaker 1: Several members of the troop began to move forward, closing
Speaker 1: on their leader. Rol was shocked, but he too found
Speaker 1: himself stepping towards them. In response, the man stabbed his
Speaker 1: slender finger right into Avalon's chest as he spoke, I
Speaker 1: do not care about your administration. You are violating our law.
Speaker 1: We are not going to tolerate it. What law. Julian,
Speaker 1: another of Rol's friends, called out, there's no law that
Speaker 1: says we have to stop. Raoul noticed at that moment
Speaker 1: that Julian was carrying a pick in his hand. Suddenly
Speaker 1: it looked like a weapon to him. This is getting
Speaker 1: out of hand. It is Sharia law. One of the
Speaker 1: men spat back, No, it it's not. It is the
Speaker 1: law that we live by. If you are here, you
Speaker 1: need to adhere to it. That's religious law. Avalon said,
Speaker 1: that doesn't apply here. The man poked at his chest again,
Speaker 1: this time hard. It is our law. As he did so,
Speaker 1: he noticed that the troops stepped forward. Even Raul stopped
Speaker 1: for a moment and grabbed a brick from an old
Speaker 1: factory floor. The weight of it gave him confidence. You're
Speaker 1: making a big mistake, snapped the tall man. You're disrespecting
Speaker 1: our faith. We don't take them from anything from anyone,
Speaker 1: especially a bunch of Mexicans brought into our city. It's
Speaker 1: bad enough that Youth Corp takes jobs that our people need.
Speaker 1: We will not tolerate you ignoring our religion. And it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's a it's again. If you knew anything at all
Speaker 1: about like the left. There's a couple of ways this
Speaker 1: could go that it would be more interesting, because like
Speaker 1: we're led to believe this is a government where most
Speaker 1: of the law enforcement is done by antifa mobs who
Speaker 1: just like beat up people in the street and light
Speaker 1: their cars on fire. And if you actually know a
Speaker 1: lot of anarchists, there's a lot of anarchists who are
Speaker 1: very anti religious. So like one version of this, you
Speaker 1: could have this guy Winston be very hostile and he
Speaker 1: could be showed like what the doomed multicultural nature of
Speaker 1: this society, But they's he can't be consistent, So Winston
Speaker 1: can't be like an actual like angry anarchist who hates religion.
Speaker 1: He has to be like this milk toast caricature of
Speaker 1: a liberal who can't stand up to the evil Muslims,
Speaker 1: even though the government is explicitly shown as being governed
Speaker 1: in large part by evil anarchists murdering people in the street.
Speaker 1: But like we just don't actually see them doing any
Speaker 1: evil anarchist stuff, Like they're not able to even like
Speaker 1: argue with these Muslims about the cull to prayer. It's
Speaker 1: just so inconsistent like he can't pick what kind of evil,
Speaker 1: progressive fantasy world this is.
Speaker 2: I mean I did kind of get a little astologic
Speaker 2: about the Sharia law thing because that was that was
Speaker 2: such a such an overwhelming talking point when I was younger,
Speaker 2: how they're gonna they're gonna invade the country and and
Speaker 2: force everyone to live under sharia law. It was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so common. You don't hear that as much anymore. No,
Speaker 2: it used to be like ever present.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about why. Part of why is that,
Speaker 1: like Christians in this country have realized that a lot
Speaker 1: of the things they used to be scared about as
Speaker 1: Sharia law are actually things there, right, Yeah, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are actually shitty about, like a
Speaker 1: lot of Muslim countries where religion is legislated into law,
Speaker 1: are just things that Christians are trying to do here.
Speaker 1: And it is funny he can't stop in trying to
Speaker 1: create these evil Muslim caricatures. He can't stop accidentally describing
Speaker 1: American Christians. And I'm going to read another passage here, sir,
Speaker 1: what do we do when the sirens start the start
Speaker 1: the sound of their prayers? One of the youth volunteers asked,
Speaker 1: we will work quietly. Whinston replied, almost under his breath,
Speaker 1: I don't think we want trouble with these men, Raoul
Speaker 1: not in response that much was true. They were tough
Speaker 1: looking and angry. The religion fuels their anger, and that
Speaker 1: is a dangerous combination, sure is Raoul. Yeah, so, Raoul,
Speaker 1: you know this. This really troubles him. And he goes
Speaker 1: to a church which, despite the fact that this is
Speaker 1: like an evil atheist, anarchist, totalitary and state, there are
Speaker 1: still Catholic churches operating openly where the priest is allowed
Speaker 1: to openly critique the government without fear of violence. Apparently,
Speaker 1: and Rule goes to one of these churches and he
Speaker 1: talks to a priest. Once it had been a splendid building,
Speaker 1: but time in the community had not been kind. Nasty
Speaker 1: spray painted words plastered the magnificent stone work. Avalon had
Speaker 1: limited their time for church, but never said why. Raoul
Speaker 1: had promised his mother he would go, and he enjoyed
Speaker 1: singing and praying. It reminded him of home. The congregation
Speaker 1: was small, huddled in the first five rows of the
Speaker 1: immense church. There had been more Catholics here at one
Speaker 1: time that was evident many were older people, though a
Speaker 1: few Latino families were there as well. Some pews were
Speaker 1: missing near the rear of the church, and Rul thought
Speaker 1: he saw burnmarks on the stone floor where they had been.
Speaker 1: Had there been a fire here? Was it during the
Speaker 1: liberation protests? And again very unclear how the actual rules
Speaker 1: are set up here. Is this like some sort of
Speaker 1: early Soviet Union thing where they have banned the churches,
Speaker 1: because it certainly seems like they're able to do church
Speaker 1: still anyway, whatever. I also wanted to point out that
Speaker 1: like this fantasy he has of like, oh, when if
Speaker 1: the progressives get their way, churches will be burned? What
Speaker 1: a heart? Who would do this? I want to look
Speaker 1: into like what happened to mosques right after Trump took office?
Speaker 1: And I want to read a quote here from a
Speaker 1: teen Vogue article from March twenty seventeen. In the past
Speaker 1: seven weeks, four moques across the country have caught fire.
Speaker 1: According to BuzzFeed News, three of those fires have been
Speaker 1: ruled arson. The authorities stated the Darus salam moss near Tampa, Florida,
Speaker 1: caught fire this past Friday, marking the fourth mosque to
Speaker 1: go up in flames in fewer than two months. Mark Potok,
Speaker 1: a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said
Speaker 1: he's never seen anything like this, calling them a part
Speaker 1: of a series of dramatic attacks against Muslims. So again,
Speaker 1: he's always describing here shit that actually happened, just in reverse,
Speaker 1: and he's being like, yeah, but what if it wasn't
Speaker 1: us doing this? Like yet, they didn't do this when
Speaker 1: they had the chance. But what if it wasn't us
Speaker 1: doing this? You know, I just I love victim cold.
Speaker 1: You know who is a victim? Garrison?
Speaker 2: The products and services that support this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so pay reparations to them.
Speaker 2: Possibly Carlson's live tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, god willing. You know, our main sponsor, Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson's Live tour. I'm happy to take his money.
Speaker 2: He is a victim. He is a victim.
Speaker 1: He is a victim victim of cancel culture. Thanks Tucker,
Speaker 1: we're back. I just got a text from Tucker Garrison.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to let us know that our support
Speaker 1: means the world to him.
Speaker 2: And we're still close with Tucker despite our many disagreements.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're still able to main friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never think that he didn't. We didn't
Speaker 1: want him to come along this summer to our the
Speaker 1: annual retreat that you and I do at our cabin
Speaker 1: up in the Catskill Mountains.
Speaker 2: No, I would love for him to join us in
Speaker 2: the isolated cabin in the woods. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be a great time for everybody. Next,
Speaker 1: this Catholic priest explains how Muslims ruined tolerance to Raoul.
Speaker 1: Raoul told him about the confrontation with the Muslim men.
Speaker 1: The genial face of the older man nodded and slowly
Speaker 1: went from jovial to rigid. God teaches us to turn
Speaker 1: the other cheek, he said, But why were they imposing
Speaker 1: their religion on us? Father Ryan's side, as if this
Speaker 1: were a conversation that he'd had many times over. There
Speaker 1: was a time, not long ago, when I would have
Speaker 1: told you that they couldn't. The United States did not
Speaker 1: allow such things. They called it the separation of church
Speaker 1: and state. We also treated every religion equally. That changed
Speaker 1: four years ago after the Fall. Things changed, not necessarily
Speaker 1: for the better. Detroit has always had a large Muslim community.
Speaker 1: Before the fall, we lived in relative harmony with Nu America. However,
Speaker 1: some communities have begun to inflict their religious beliefs on others.
Speaker 1: The government refuses to step in. Being Muslim means you're
Speaker 1: an oppressed religion, and the Fedgov looks the other way
Speaker 1: when they overstepped their bounds. The Catholic Church is seen
Speaker 1: as a privileged religion, which promotes racism and class.
Speaker 2: Distinctions about the whole like privilege system that they have. Oh,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you get different privilege points. I also
Speaker 2: forgot about Nu America, which still very good.
Speaker 1: It's it's really funny. And the yeah, the Fedgov. There's
Speaker 1: no four years is not enough for everyone to go
Speaker 1: from calling it the federal government or the government to
Speaker 1: the FEDGOV. That's just not the way language works.
Speaker 2: My man, Fedgov has a weird mouthfield. I don't like Fedgov.
Speaker 1: I don't like it all. And it's this.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that it's a Catholic priest being like America
Speaker 1: used to not privilege any religion and then four years
Speaker 1: ago at all that it changed. Sure, buddy, And you know,
Speaker 1: I talk a lot rebudding this right wing shit, islamophobia,
Speaker 1: shit about like good experiences I've had in Muslim parts
Speaker 1: of the world. You know, I've had bad experiences too.
Speaker 1: I've encountered like plenty of regret. I've been shot it
Speaker 1: by Isis guys. But like in Ukraine, I went to
Speaker 1: a Ukrainian mosque that had ansari Im mom and like
Speaker 1: my photographer was a woman and she was not allowed
Speaker 1: on the compound. I had to go alone to interview
Speaker 1: this guy because he would not let a woman onto
Speaker 1: his compound. And that's fucked up. But it's also the
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up that like Christians think is good.
Speaker 1: It's like Mike Pince did that shit. And it's when
Speaker 1: I went to a Christian monastery in northern Greece and Mediora,
Speaker 1: they like hand out dresses there that all of the
Speaker 1: women have to put on around whatever they happen to
Speaker 1: be wearing, just to make sure that they're decent before God.
Speaker 1: And it's like you get like that, and that's that's
Speaker 1: why they have to make up shit like these fantasy
Speaker 1: Muslims who want to murder people for working during the
Speaker 1: cull to prayer, which doesn't really happen because the ship
Speaker 1: that actual Muslim extremists do that's bad is stuff that
Speaker 1: all of these Christian conservatives think is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean even when I grew up, like it
Speaker 2: was that was the entire culture that I was entrenched in,
Speaker 2: and like women had to make sure they didn't dress
Speaker 2: certain ways or else they would like incite lust in
Speaker 2: a man, which isn't a man's fault if he acts
Speaker 2: on it, it is the woman's fault. And that's just
Speaker 2: so normal from like girls like five years old to corpse.
Speaker 2: That was the way. That was the way things were.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, in part to just sort of like make
Speaker 1: a point of how full of shit this guy is.
Speaker 1: One of the more recent stories of actual attempts by
Speaker 1: American Muslims to enforce like religious laws on other people
Speaker 1: in the United States is something that was widely supported
Speaker 1: by Christian Conservatives. This happened outside of it in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. In a school district that had an lgbt
Speaker 1: inclusion policy that was protested by a chunk of the
Speaker 1: local Muslim community. The According to A. Zeneb Chowdri, the
Speaker 1: Maryland director for the Council on Islamic American Relations, the
Speaker 1: school system believes it is being inclusive towards LGBTQ parents
Speaker 1: and students, but in doing that, it is not being
Speaker 1: inclusive towards another set of parents and students, and this
Speaker 1: is like a real conflict. There's been a couple other
Speaker 1: cases of this where you've got like large Muslim communities
Speaker 1: that are hostile to LGBTQ rights, and guys like Blaine
Speaker 1: have no issue with this because they're fundamentally in favor
Speaker 1: of all of the actual problems that come from like
Speaker 1: Islamic fundamentalism, because they have the same problems that come
Speaker 1: from Christian fundamentalism. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they often will form like a sort of
Speaker 2: informal united front on this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, a smarter person who was still conservative
Speaker 1: could actually like do something interesting where you have like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got these like Christian religious extremists who lost their war,
Speaker 1: and they're like banding together with these hardliner Muslims in
Speaker 1: you know, some of these cities in order to like
Speaker 1: because these people are oppressed and they have more power
Speaker 1: into the new government to push through some of the
Speaker 1: regressive laws against groups that they hate or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: that's at least more interesting and more complex than what
Speaker 1: we get here. You know, I could still see that
Speaker 1: being pretty racist, but at least it would make for
Speaker 1: better storytelling. But again Blaine doesn't it doesn't go deep
Speaker 1: enough to do any of that. Yeah, So Raoul continues
Speaker 1: to talk with Father Ryan, Father Ryan, who ends by
Speaker 1: saying we are all equal in God's eyes. The ruling
Speaker 1: counsel feels that we possess too much wealth and power,
Speaker 1: so they have taxed us and persecuted our practices. The
Speaker 1: truth is the first victim of oppressive governments. What had
Speaker 1: been tolerance has become strife. You were not the first
Speaker 1: to endure such confrontations. Now you, as a good Catholic,
Speaker 1: must endure the pressures of the social enforcers, as must
Speaker 1: I Jesus bore across. We must bear others inflicting their
Speaker 1: beliefs upon us.
Speaker 2: Christians would never inflict their beliefs.
Speaker 1: And nobody, no, not a thing I've ever seen them do.
Speaker 1: And the scene ends with Father Ryan telling Raoul there
Speaker 1: are times we have to fight for our beliefs, and
Speaker 1: so Raoul very reasonably, is like, are you saying I
Speaker 1: should fight those Muslims or like fight the government, and
Speaker 1: the priest is like, oh no, no, I just meant like, generally,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta fight for your beliefs, but not in
Speaker 1: an actionable way it could get me in trouble. And
Speaker 1: then we move on to the next sub chapter, which
Speaker 1: is set in Wheeling, West Virginia. You remember our fed spook, Kaylee,
Speaker 1: the former CIA lady who's part of the it's not
Speaker 1: the FBI, but it's mostly made up of the old
Speaker 1: FBI and the CIA, who the anarchists are all okay
Speaker 1: with basically having cop jobs. Still, yeah, yeah, she has
Speaker 1: to drive to this. There's been a murder that she's
Speaker 1: going that's tied to this right wing terrorist group, so
Speaker 1: she's going to go look at these these anarchist you know,
Speaker 1: gang cops who all got murdered together. And she gets
Speaker 1: really angry on the drive there that she has to
Speaker 1: drive a hybrid, a cop car, a Prius.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's feel efficient. Goddamn it, I've been cooked.
Speaker 1: A cop car is supposed to be fast and heavy
Speaker 1: duty to hell with emissions and concerns that perps would
Speaker 1: get hurt in a chase. And that's it's so comprehensively
Speaker 1: from one thing. Electric and hybrid cars are much heavier
Speaker 1: than regular cars. They're extremely heavy. If you hit someone
Speaker 1: with them, they do a lot of damage because they're
Speaker 1: very heavy. Vehicles copared to like an ice you know engine.
Speaker 1: And the other fact of this is that, like the
Speaker 1: concern with cop cars being too big, isn't that they'll
Speaker 1: hurt purpse in a chase. It's that cops kill people
Speaker 1: constantly chasing them, and the dead are almost never the purpse.
Speaker 1: They're nearly always bystanders. In fact, I look this up,
Speaker 1: more than five thousand bystanders and passengers have been killed
Speaker 1: in police car chases since nineteen seventy nine. That's two
Speaker 1: nine to elevens. Garrison, What a fun fact that is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two nine elevens. Bystanders and passengers and chased cars account
Speaker 1: for nearly half of all people killed in police pursuits.
Speaker 1: Most bystanders were killed in their own cars by a
Speaker 1: fleeing driver. Anyway, police shouldn't be allowed to chase people.
Speaker 1: It never police almost never goes well.
Speaker 2: Police shouldn't be allowed.
Speaker 1: But the yes shouldn't be allowed. I'm just we did
Speaker 1: try to have that fight, Garrison. This book is about
Speaker 1: what would have happened if we'd won.
Speaker 2: And we still have the FBI for some reason.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Honestly, again, because he's not a good writer,
Speaker 1: he couldn't make this more interesting. You could, if you
Speaker 1: were a leftist, maybe do a fun satire of like
Speaker 1: law enforcement after the fantasy anarchist revolution, where all of
Speaker 1: these as happens in real revolutions, like a lot of
Speaker 1: the Tzar's secret police wound up working for the Soviet
Speaker 1: police state. Right, Like stuff like this happens in revolutions.
Speaker 1: You can have a pretty interesting satire novel based around
Speaker 1: like an FBI agent who manages to keep his job
Speaker 1: in this transition to a quote unquote leftist state that
Speaker 1: recreates a lot of the same problems of the earlier state.
Speaker 1: Something interesting could be done with that if you actually
Speaker 1: cared to write well.
Speaker 2: And it is funny because now a popular conservative platform
Speaker 2: is basically trying to abolish the FBI.
Speaker 1: Said sure, Hey, you know what, let him fight if
Speaker 1: it were a Tucker fight, the hard fight. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So here's Kaylee the grave and the place that this
Speaker 1: murder has taken care place at is called the graveyard,
Speaker 1: which is Garrison. Do you know what discourse we're about
Speaker 1: to get in to here?
Speaker 2: Necrofeelia discord No.
Speaker 1: No destroyed statues Garrison. All of the statues got removed
Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty revolution from everywhere in America, and
Speaker 1: they all got moved to a graveyard in West Virginia.
Speaker 1: That's where all of America's old statues go.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wet from the morning rain. To some
Speaker 1: from a distance, it looked like a cemetery with unusually
Speaker 1: large markers. In reality, these were statues after liberation. The
Speaker 1: ruling council felt that destroying the monuments to old America's
Speaker 1: past might spurn more resistance. Their solution was to put
Speaker 1: them in the graveyard. Its formal name was the United
Speaker 1: States Tribute Gardens. There were statues of former presidents, soldiers,
Speaker 1: countless Confederate statues, either torn down by mobs or removed
Speaker 1: after the United States had fallen and New America was born.
Speaker 1: I love this confirmation that in New America is the
Speaker 1: legal official name of the country. Yeah, that would get
Speaker 1: bigger riots than anything that actually happened in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Kaylee looked at them as she walked through and saw
Speaker 1: the damage that had been done to them, the faint
Speaker 1: outlines of old graffiti and sand blasted off. She could
Speaker 1: see BLM and Antifa tags and simple sprayed in several
Speaker 1: spots where the cleaning had failed. Streaks of rust and
Speaker 1: tarnished stained some stones. She walked past the statue of
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, ripped from its former memorial in the district.
Speaker 1: Someone had painted his face black, and despite scrubbing efforts,
Speaker 1: it clung to the bronze. How the Mighty have fallen?
Speaker 1: The old Jefferson Memorial had been converted to the Clinton
Speaker 1: Peace Monument a year ago.
Speaker 2: After the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a utopia. Bill Clinton's dead in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, in the in this in the blue Dawn future,
Speaker 1: Jefferson has fallen the Clinton Peace Monument.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: What did he do for peace?
Speaker 3: Particularly, Like it's a great question. Yeah, like no one
Speaker 3: even no one, no liberal, the liberals don't credit him
Speaker 3: for being a great peace president. They just missed the
Speaker 3: nineties because the thing seemed a lot better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was before nine to eleven and after.
Speaker 1: The Cold War. It was just the best time to
Speaker 1: be president. Like he just got really lucky with it. Okay,
Speaker 1: some really stupid world building follows. Kaylee had been monitoring
Speaker 1: NSF reports looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack
Speaker 1: for anything that pointed to sons of Liberty movement. There
Speaker 1: were a few seemingly random assassinations, usually of social enforcement,
Speaker 1: but those could be attributed to some overly brave civilian
Speaker 1: that had somehow managed to keep his or horror rifle
Speaker 1: and was out for revenge. No, she knew that the
Speaker 1: SOL wanted to do something that could not be ignored,
Speaker 1: something that would provoke a response on the part of
Speaker 1: the administration. This mass killing, this fit their remo. NSF
Speaker 1: detectives were good, but they came from a pure policing background.
Speaker 1: Usually she was an operative, and that was a different
Speaker 1: animal altogether. Operatives all had some sort of special forces background.
Speaker 1: They didn't think like police. They were more devious, a
Speaker 1: bit more cunning, always more ruthless. She had been a
Speaker 1: ranger in the army right after the liberation, one of
Speaker 1: the few women to ever pass the program, then transferred
Speaker 1: to military police. Kaylee understood how the police thought. It
Speaker 1: went past that. If she didn't get the answer she
Speaker 1: was looking for, well she was inoperative. N SF operatives
Speaker 1: like her could beat it out of someone if they
Speaker 1: had to. Officially, operatives didn't exist, but everyone knew they did.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that's fun. For one thing, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of Army Rangers, the idea that, like we're
Speaker 1: a uniquely brutal kind of breathe like not guys, no,
Speaker 1: barely barely special Forces. Yeah, I'm not trying to give
Speaker 1: the rangers particular shit, but come on here, Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't include torture training to be an Army ranger. It's
Speaker 1: also funny when you read about like the kind of
Speaker 1: shit Special Forces guys get busted for, which is almost
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, selling lots of drugs
Speaker 1: and guns, Like it happens constantly, they get caught constantly.
Speaker 1: That just this this fantasy fetishization of like what it
Speaker 1: means to be Special Forces is always very funny to me.
Speaker 1: The thing that's funnier to me is the idea that,
Speaker 1: like she's an operative, and that's a secret almost mythical
Speaker 1: status in this government. People don't even know that the
Speaker 1: odd there don't even officially exist, but everyone knows they exist.
Speaker 1: So her organization is both so secret that it verges
Speaker 1: on mythical, but also an open enough reality that she
Speaker 1: has a badge that identifies her as an operative. And
Speaker 1: immediately after this paragraph where they're like, officially, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: She introduces herself to the police with a badge as
Speaker 1: an operative and has immediately recognized as legitimate law enforcement.
Speaker 1: It's just bad riding. As she rounded a massive battered
Speaker 1: statue of Theodore Roosevelt, she came to where the crime
Speaker 1: scene technicians were gathered, tied to the statues. They stood
Speaker 1: in front of with the bodies of fifteen individuals. Most
Speaker 1: had their throats cut, and she could see bruises many
Speaker 1: bore on their faces. They were tired up arms extended
Speaker 1: with cheap old rope, something that would be hard to trace.
Speaker 1: The texts were getting up on ladders, carefully scanning the
Speaker 1: bodies and the statues for evidence. She looked at them
Speaker 1: strung up on the statues as if they were crucified.
Speaker 1: She spotted someone she assumed was the lead detective and
Speaker 1: walked briskly over to him. Feet were already wet from
Speaker 1: the grass. He had her with total disregard until she
Speaker 1: flashed her badge. Speck ups, he said, turning to face
Speaker 1: her with a little more respect. Anne is to gun uperative.
Speaker 1: I thought you folks were myths. It's best that you
Speaker 1: continue to she said, it's how we prefer it. So
Speaker 1: he doesn't like question in it all that he sees
Speaker 1: a badge for things that doesn't exist. He doesn't like
Speaker 1: be like, that's not a real law enforcement badge because
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. Like there's no nobody actually questions this,
Speaker 1: like the cops have no problem not only have no
Speaker 1: problem with the FED, but a FED from an organization
Speaker 1: that doesn't officially exist anyway. Whatever. I it's just bad writing,
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 2: Garrison, Yes, it does. It does appear to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's fine. The victims are dastardly Antifa oppressors,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get like some grisly descriptions of like
Speaker 1: young college students getting murdered that clearly gets the author
Speaker 1: of this hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it is. It is very clear here,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go wildly in to detail on this,
Speaker 1: but I do feel the need to read this paragraph.
Speaker 1: That was the problem with the social enforces as she
Speaker 1: saw them. They were sloppy professionals understood the need for
Speaker 1: paper trails and good documentation. These former ANTIFA kids preferred
Speaker 1: to grab a club or a rock and just start
Speaker 1: chucking sooner or later, we're going to have to put
Speaker 1: an end to having two policing forces out there. There's more,
Speaker 1: the detective said grimly. When we idid the first victim,
Speaker 1: we sit someone over to his house. His family had
Speaker 1: been murdered as well. We're still tracking down the rest,
Speaker 1: but it looks like someone made this very personal, killing children.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my hands on these bastards.
Speaker 1: She said nothing, but did not mostly do appear polite.
Speaker 1: The tactic was far from new. During the Liberation, Antifa
Speaker 1: and the other revolutionaries had done the same thing to
Speaker 1: police officers families. It had shaken the law enforcement community
Speaker 1: to its core. Many officers put their loved ones in hiding,
Speaker 1: while others refused to go back on patrol. Now these
Speaker 1: tactics are being used against us. She knew no one
Speaker 1: would say it out loud, but the phrase that came
Speaker 1: to her mind was Karma's a bitch. And I think
Speaker 1: that's funny, because do you know what actually happens in
Speaker 1: real life. What didn't happen is Antifa murdering the family
Speaker 1: members of police officers. Never happened. Didn't occur. We had
Speaker 1: an Antifa, They won the election, Theoretically, if you're this
Speaker 1: guy and no police officers' families ever got targeted or murdered,
Speaker 1: you know what is happening right now? Present day Los
Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff's deputies targeting the families of people that
Speaker 1: they murdered. And I'm going to read a quote here
Speaker 1: from The Hill dot Com. Our report released this week
Speaker 1: claims that deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
Speaker 1: regularly targeted relatives of several individuals were fatally shot by
Speaker 1: members of the agency. The thirty seven page report from
Speaker 1: the National Lawyers Guild Los Angeles ACLU of Southern California
Speaker 1: and other groups lists alleged harassment against relatives of two men,
Speaker 1: Paul Raya and Anthony Vargas. Raya, eighteen, died in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen after being shot multiple times by an East Los
Speaker 1: Angeles deputy. Vargus, twenty one, was fatally shot by two
Speaker 1: deputies in twenty eighteen. The report, which was also presented
Speaker 1: by groups like Black Lives Met At Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: The Check the Sheriff coalitions, said deputies tried to intimidate
Speaker 1: family members Raya and Vargas by slowly driving by or
Speaker 1: parking in front of their homes, slowly driving by memorial sites,
Speaker 1: and damaging items at memorial sites. Deputies also allegedly taunted
Speaker 1: relatives with crude comments and gestures, followed them as they drove,
Speaker 1: parked outside their relatives' places of work, took pictures of them,
Speaker 1: and recorded them. The group's further alleged to the deputies
Speaker 1: harassed relatives who were miners, frequently pulled over family members
Speaker 1: and searched their vehicles, and detained members without probable cause.
Speaker 1: The report detailed several incidents of alleged harassment, claiming in
Speaker 1: some cases it took place after individuals spoke publicly against
Speaker 1: the killing of their family member. In one incident, in
Speaker 1: October twenty nineteen, the group say Raya's sister jay Leen,
Speaker 1: spoke out about her brother's killing, and later that month
Speaker 1: also attended a town hall that was hosted by Los
Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. The report alleged that Jaylen
Speaker 1: was forcibly arrested by LASD deputies without probable cause shortly
Speaker 1: after attending the town hall. In the roughly two hours
Speaker 1: she was held by police, Jayleen was not told by
Speaker 1: deputies why she was arrested.
Speaker 2: There's been very similar stuff happening in Atlanta the past
Speaker 2: few weeks and the past few months, I guess there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of similar reports from people of APD
Speaker 2: and other other agencies doing quite quite similar harassment and
Speaker 2: even allegedly escalating to forms of like violent intimidation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's this this idea that like, oh, these
Speaker 1: antifa guys that I've had to invent because the real
Speaker 1: ones never did anything like this. You know, Karma's a bitch.
Speaker 1: You stood in this and we're finishing And the.
Speaker 2: Reality is that, like, well, think they're Batman or something
Speaker 2: like I can't let people know or I'll sty'll go
Speaker 2: after my family or experiment like whatever.
Speaker 1: Like Karma being a bitch would be police officers' families
Speaker 1: getting targeted by like the victims of police violences, families
Speaker 1: who like carried out a vengeance campaign like something like that,
Speaker 1: because that's like what actually happens in the real world.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, you could you could still be
Speaker 1: a right wing shithead and have that be your plot point,
Speaker 1: and at least it would be slightly truer to the reality.
Speaker 1: You'd be acknowledging that like, no, no, the cycle of
Speaker 1: targeting families was started by the cops. It does kind
Speaker 1: of make me think too of like Chris Dorner, right,
Speaker 1: who as the only guy I can think of who
Speaker 1: hated cops and attacked cops and attacked and killed members
Speaker 1: of police officers families and he was also a cop.
Speaker 1: Because that's what cops do, is they go after the
Speaker 1: family members of people they don't like.
Speaker 2: Right, with disregard for like other casualties.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's very much cop shit, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you know what's not the police unless it is because
Speaker 1: it has been in the past.
Speaker 2: As our sponsors hopefully these ads.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we'll see we're back. So I want
Speaker 1: to give you an idea of how masturbatory the descriptions
Speaker 1: of dead activists here are. Sure, and also let's talk
Speaker 1: about who he sees as being the members of these
Speaker 1: Antifa death squads. Kaylee looked up for a long moment
Speaker 1: at one of the bodies, a young woman who her matted,
Speaker 1: wet blonde hair obscuring her face. Her black buttoned shirt
Speaker 1: was opened and her faded UCLA T shirt was visible
Speaker 1: against the wet soaked bloodstain where her throat had been cut.
Speaker 1: She was close to the same age as a Lee,
Speaker 1: but they were worlds apart. The message is that the
Speaker 1: sons of liberty are back throats, so slashed throats slashed.
Speaker 1: I do love that. Like, yes, random UCLA grads are
Speaker 1: like the murder police and this this hell whole progressive
Speaker 1: fantasy world very I mean, you thing scarier than UCLA kids.
Speaker 2: You can tell why all these like campus protests really
Speaker 2: freaked out these people too. Yeah, yeah, like it really
Speaker 2: it really got to them because yeah, they think all
Speaker 2: these kids at universities are like this like secret militia
Speaker 2: ready to strike. Meanwhile, they have actual militias ready to strike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have militias that like tried to overthrow the
Speaker 1: government and like actually did a huge amount and have repeatedly.
Speaker 1: There was just another guy arrested for threatening to kill
Speaker 1: the family members of FBI agents after Hunter Biden's conviction,
Speaker 1: Like a conservative who was angry because he somehow felt
Speaker 1: that the Hunter Biden conviction was evidence of Biden hiding
Speaker 1: the truth about his family's crimes, and he like threatened
Speaker 1: to kill family members of FBI agents and he's going
Speaker 1: to do a lot of prison time for that, presumably
Speaker 1: because you're you're not supposed to do that. But again,
Speaker 1: the people threatening folks families are always you guys, right
Speaker 1: Like anyway, I want to end with a little bit
Speaker 1: more world building from this book about what happened to
Speaker 1: the press.
Speaker 2: Oh oh good?
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is Kaylee talking to this cop. You know,
Speaker 1: at the murder scene. The press is already here. I've
Speaker 1: kept them back, secure their gears, she replied, Kick them out,
Speaker 1: Remind them what happens if they don't cooperate, If they
Speaker 1: have a complaint, tell them to take it up with
Speaker 1: the Truth Reconciliation Committee. The media sided with the administration.
Speaker 1: They had a little choice. They had incited the liberation
Speaker 1: with their manipulation of information during the last election. Any
Speaker 1: pretense that they were going to buck the fedgov and
Speaker 1: run a story that was bad was quickly squelched. Their
Speaker 1: hands were as dirty as anyone's now. If they wanted
Speaker 1: a story out, it had to be cleared by the TRC,
Speaker 1: which was little more than a government censorship organization. They
Speaker 1: know their place, and those that didn't are long gone.
Speaker 1: They incited the liberation with their manipulation of information, and
Speaker 1: this is all based on the twenty twenty uprising, which
Speaker 1: was incited by a cop choking a man to death
Speaker 1: and a very like absolutely unedited, uneditorialized video by a
Speaker 1: citizen who happened.
Speaker 2: To be on the scene, like a largely like completely undisputed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Even Trump's initial reaction was like, yeah, it's fucking horrible, right,
Speaker 1: because like everyone's was, It's just I anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess that's all I got today from Blaine Pardo's
Speaker 1: Blue Dog. We're probably done with this book at this point.
Speaker 1: I just needed to know a little bit more about
Speaker 1: what the f future has in store. When I think
Speaker 1: it's mortars.
Speaker 2: I would like to learn more about how Trump is
Speaker 2: going to be training this secret underground militia. I do.
Speaker 1: I do kind of want to hop to like find
Speaker 1: the president in this. I haven't made it that far
Speaker 1: because they they how how would Donald Trump survive? Underground
Speaker 1: lifting is.
Speaker 2: Like like Donald Trump with like an eye patch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has a camlee.
Speaker 1: He's like he's paragliding into New York City.
Speaker 2: He's going to retake Trump Tower.
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh god, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it probably won't be that fun or cool,
Speaker 2: but we can imagine.
Speaker 1: It definitely won't be that fun or cool, but we
Speaker 1: can do something. Garrison, you got any pluggables to plug
Speaker 1: before we roll out here?
Speaker 2: Oh, just just my regular chronicling the brainwad on. It
Speaker 2: could happen here if you want to, if you want
Speaker 2: to listen about me learning way too much about Trump pornography.
Speaker 2: That episode came out earlier in the month of June
Speaker 2: or Trump Rule thirty four, and there's probably all kinds
Speaker 2: of nonsense come out since then, based on you know,
Speaker 2: the election and the debates and all that all that
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Speaker 2: It was completely sense.
Speaker 1: They tried, they tried, they tried to censor anyway. You know, Garrett,
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