1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Also media. Oo, Garrison, Hi, are you gonna get Are 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: you going to give an atonal shriek? Or are you 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: not going to be a team player today? 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: I don't know what tone I would even try to 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: imitate for an atonal shriek. I don't know. 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, you want to you wanna go 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: to David Lynch in the Afterlife and say that's the 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: atonal shriek that I gave when I had a chance 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: to perform, Garrison to really sing my heart out on camera. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll have a never opportunity again to do 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: an a tonal shriek. 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, any literally, anytime you're on the show. Have 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: you been in the week or so since we first 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: started reading Blue Dawn? 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: Pretty good? I've not been doing as much other reading 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: as I would like to, but that's the way it goes. 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's too hot to read. 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: It's too hot to read. Yeah, wow, I mean, I 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: guess I grew up in Texas, so everything inside was 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: always fifty five degrees, so I've never known that. Well, 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to break that spell for you, Garrison, 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: because we're going to get back into reading the next 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: two chapters of Blaine Parda's Blue Dawn, which is, as 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, like a fantasy novel of 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: what certain people on the right think Antifa is capable of, 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: and as a result, it comes across in parts as 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: like oh if only, if only. But it's interesting too 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: because you get these like this kind of vision of 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: like what they think was about to happen, which is 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: fun because of like, I mean, we just know what happened, 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: like the reality. 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: Is this because it's twenty twenty four. 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this movie they were so terrified of. Like no, 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like people were angry, but there was never 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: any cohesive effort to take over the country or any 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: real desire to among a large number of people. Most 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: of the people who went out in the streets in 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty were just angry because the cops suck and 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: then they went home. 40 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, they were They were not planning to 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: take over the United States Capitol building. 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: They certainly didn't have together to like lay siege to 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: two military bases while taking the Capitol and the White House. No, 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: but let's get back into the fantasy. Chapter four, the 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: greatest heroes are victims, which is like presented as a Christ, 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: but they don't say you said it. Yeah, I mean 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: that is very much like there's not There was a 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: famous Nazi quote like the Jew cries out while he 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: strikes you, right, Like, it's this thing the right has 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: always done where anyone who is a victim is really 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: secretly our oppressor, because that's how they get you, by 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: pointing out that you're doing things that hurt them. 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: That's also how a whole bunch of these conservative men 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: also just like view all women. Yes, how the victim 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: is secretly the oppressor. 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's the kind of thing you have 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: to believe if you're primarily going to spend your life 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: victimizing people, Right, if you decided the thing that I 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: do is hurt people, then you really have to make 60 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: it clear that the actual actually being a bad guy 61 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: is being the person who gets hurt, right, Like it's 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: bully logic, right, Yeah, my fist wouldn't hit anything if 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: your face wasn't there. So we start back with the 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: story of Raoul Lopez, who is our young Mexican American 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: immigrant who's gotten a job with the Youth Core. Now, 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the Youth Core Garrison is clearly modeled in part after 67 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: the Civilian Conservation Corp. Which is an organization that was 68 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: started during the FDR administration to deal with the consequence 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: of all these people being out of work in the depression. 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: A lot of my family is alive because my grandpa, 71 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, got a job through the Triple C. The 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: Timberline Lodge up here in Oregon, which is incredibly beautiful building, 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: was made as a result of, you know, these mass 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: civilian employment efforts. Most of our national parks and stuff, 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of them got started. My grandpa was doing 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: out in Oklahoma was largely like building trails and stuff. 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: It's one of the better things that we did in 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: this book. It is a sinister example of the evil 79 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: government destroying the populace, and it's both One of the 80 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: things that's interesting about Blaine is he can't pick a lane, 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: so he's aware enough to know that, like he has 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: the issue with the environmentalists that a lot of conservatives have, 83 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: which is they think that, like everyone who's concerned about 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: global warming just wants to put an end to modern civilization. 85 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: And so he kind of accidentally there's a moment here 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: where it seems like someone who has more knowledge of 87 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: the left might be parodying and narco primitivists right where 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: this youth Cores. They're cleaning up these destroyed factories and 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: whatnot that have all collapsed, but they're not allowed to 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: use any technology or vehicles because it all emits. So 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: they're like disassimpling factories brick by brick, hand to hand. 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things somebody who actually like 93 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: knew anything about the left. Theoretically you could do a 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: parody of like the anarcho primitivest scene or something here, 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: but he doesn't know that those people exist. He just 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: thinks this is like anyone who believes in the EPA 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: like would be doing this. 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: Sure, it's like your average Elizabeth Warren voter. Yeah, which is, 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: you know, not not the case. 100 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: No, no, And it's very funny. Yeah, there's an interesting 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: line here where we also get kind of how Blaine 102 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: thinks people from Mexico might look at the United States. 103 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: The youth Core officer that gave the lecture had talked 104 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: about how the companies had taken billions in profits and 105 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: made the workers get by with paltry bonuses. Some of 106 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: the factories he saw were massive and impressive, and it 107 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: struck Raoul as wrong that the businesses had taken advantage 108 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: of their people in such a way. When he saw 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: all of the neighborhoods on their tour drive, he found 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: himself wondering just how bad off the employees were. We 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: never had homes like this in Mexico for oppressed people. 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: They seem to have good places to live. 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Okay, it's like, were they. 114 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Driving through the neighborhoods that people who worked in the 115 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: factories lived in, were they like or where those Yeah. 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: Saying that people in Mexico are like the most oppressed 117 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 2: people is not a common American political talking point. 118 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: No, no, even liberals tend to have pretty shitty opinions 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: on immigrants. So again there's this piece of it that 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: verges on satire of like fringe ideology. It's just interesting. 121 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I think the way that they do this. So he's 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: like they're cleaning up and rolls, like, boy, you know, 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: in Mexico we would use like cars or something for this. 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: And the friend he's made in Youth Corps is like, no, 125 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: it's better we do it by hand running the heavy 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: equipment that only pollutes the air. Yes, it's faster, but 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: look at all the material we're saving for reuse. There 128 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: were so many clean air acts out of the district 129 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: in the last few years that it was hard to 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: keep track of them. Everyone said they were worried about pollution. 131 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: No one makes the Chinese Russians comply, though they are 132 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: the biggest polluters. The chairman of the Ruling Council summed 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: it up best. It's not important that they do. What's 134 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: important is what we can do. And one of the 135 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: things that's going on here is he's like, this is 136 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: literally like four years after the revolution, and they've just 137 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: started calling DC the disc which, like it kind of 138 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: works in like fucking hunger games, because it's supposed to 139 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: be hundreds of years after people call stuff different now, 140 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: but it's like five years. That's like if we now 141 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: called DC the district after because of like Trump selection 142 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: or something like. It's just that's not long enough for 143 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: that kind of change to happen. Man, I don't believe you. 144 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: It's also unclear how this government works because AOC still 145 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: has a job and the FBI still basically exists, but 146 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: there's like a chairman and a ruling council as opposed 147 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: to a president just unclear to me how this government 148 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: actually functions. So this facility had been abandoned for decades. 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: According to the troop leader, it had been used by 150 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: homeless people as a shelter. That area had been the 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: worst to demolish, the stint shift, stale urine and garbage 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: mixed mingled with body odor. Those days were gone. The 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: homeless didn't exist, not according to the administration. There were 154 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: economically displaced, in transition and shelter dependent people, but the 155 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: word homeless was never used. It was simply a banned word. 156 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: The role had to admit he didn't understand the distinctions 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: so well. The ones that had been in the abandoned 158 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: factory had looked homeless enough to him. 159 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: It was it was a band ord. You're not allowed 160 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: to stay homeless anymore because of what. 161 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: No, if all of this was like more consistent again, 162 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: you could at least try to make a point about 163 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: stuff like people obsessing over like should you use and 164 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: housed or homeless as supposed to? Like what would she 165 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: we actually do to like help people who are housing 166 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: and secure, like not live on the street, right, Like 167 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: what action should we take? Sure's there's things you could 168 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: say there, but he just gets bogged down and like 169 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: this is. 170 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: The orwell nightmare of yeah, there being a word you 171 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: just can't say anymore. 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it makes the government inconsistent because they 173 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: forced all of the suburban, middle class white people out 174 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: of their homes. So are these the formerly suburban people 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: or these the same homeless who were homeless before and 176 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: the government just didn't do anything for them. We're not 177 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: going to explain that because that would actually be like 178 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: competent world building, which we're we're not going to do 179 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: in this book, right not. And again you could, at 180 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: least it would still be weird right wing propaganda. But 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: if it became clear that like all of these homeless 182 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: people living in the ruins had like five years ago 183 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: been middle managers at like Boeing, like that's you know, 184 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: maybe interesting, right, Like you could do something with that. 185 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: But he's not going to do anything with that, of course. Yeah. 186 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: So yeah. As he carefully loaded the wheelbarrow, making sure 187 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: that it stayed balanced, he noticed the old graffiti on 188 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: the wall, freedom lost in fading orange print. Looking at it, 189 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: he wondered as to its meaning. What freedoms had been lost? 190 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: He felt free to do what he wanted as long 191 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: as he followed the rules. What are you doing, Cadet Lopez, 192 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: His troop leader, Avalon Winston, barked out to him, and 193 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: that is I think our nineteen eighty four reference is 194 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: this guy who was like the the milk toast liberal 195 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: that's like secretly sinister, is named Winston. I was looking 196 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: at the wall. That's subversive content, the trup leader replied, 197 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: looking at the wall as if it were a piece 198 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: of pornography. You shouldn't even read it. Also, should this 199 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: guy not be negative about pornography? 200 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: Right? 201 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: Like, wouldn't he be rad with pornography because he's the evil, 202 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: degenerate leftist. You shouldn't even read it. It doesn't say much, 203 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: only two words, The troop leader walked over to him. 204 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: You were probably just a kid at the time. You 205 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: don't remember the right wing radical standoffs with the NSF, 206 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the bombings and violent protests. The people who wrote that 207 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: were clinging to long outdated ideals that went back to 208 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: the founding of their country. They wasted the rights they 209 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: had and corrupted the rights they believed were theirs. Look 210 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: at guns. Gun crimes are down because we've rounded them up. 211 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Those people fought against the safety that we offered. They 212 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: said we were anarchists, but in reality they were sure, Yeah, 213 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: you can't look at the wall anymore because who Yeah. 214 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: And also just like, yeah, this graffiti freedom lost, that's 215 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: bad graffiti. It's like, that's not an incisive political commentary. 216 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: I don't feel like there is a lot of bad 217 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: political graffiti out there. 218 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: There is. But what I don't believe is that Raoul 219 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: would see that, and I wonder what freedoms were lost? 220 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: That really got me thinking. But no, like, your eyes 221 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: are just gonna go over that, right, Like. 222 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna it's not gonna induce any any 223 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: deep contemplation. 224 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but to make like graffiti, to competently do graffiti 225 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: that like might like reach someone, he would have to 226 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: like have characters with an interior mind, and these people 227 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: really don't. Anyway, we go immediately from this, while Raoul 228 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: is like cleaning up this destroyed factory, to some some 229 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: very out of place seeming Islamophobia. Standing in the sunlight 230 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: just outside of the building were five young men. They 231 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: had dark complexions and they seemed to be angry. Raoul 232 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: could see it in their faces and the way they 233 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: stood arms crossed, their mouths drawn to tight frowns, and 234 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: air of defiance emanated from them. What can I help 235 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: you with? The troop leader called out to them, your people, 236 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: they didn't stop when the prayer siren went off, The 237 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: tallest of the men said bitterly. They continued to work 238 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: through their prayers. Now for several days. You must stop 239 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: when you hear the siren. It is fager, it is sacred. 240 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: His voice was thick with a Farsia accent. How does 241 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: first off, Raoul is this didn't really receive an education, 242 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: like like undocumented immigrant? How does Raoul know what a 243 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Farsi accent is? 244 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: But where did you learn that? I still can't get 245 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: over a prayer siren? I'm sorry, it's just so funny. 246 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: It's also like again, it shows that the author has 247 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: never been to a Muslim country or even around Muslims, 248 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: because like, I have been to numerous Muslim majority nations 249 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: where there's a call to prayer, and I have been 250 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: visibly outdoors working during the call to prayer. I've been 251 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: outdoors drinking water and eating during Ramadan. And you know 252 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: who never gave me shit is a single person because 253 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: it's their religion and they know, like that's some fucking 254 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: white America's He's not gonna he's not a bank like 255 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: keeping Ramadan, Like I'm not gonna give him shit for this, 256 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: Like yeah. 257 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: I just love the idea of the prayer siren being 258 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: this like horrible sign of how far we've we've come. Yes, 259 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: but like church bells are essentially the same thing, like yes, 260 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: we have our own version of the prayers syen well. 261 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: And it's also there's this attitude. It's the same thing 262 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: you get with like these people who are like I 263 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: think this happened in the some one European country's trying 264 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: to keep migrants out where they're like, we just put 265 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: pig manure around the border. And it's like do you 266 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: think it's like kryptonite to Muslims? Like they're not even 267 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: banned from touching pork products. That's not how it is. 268 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: They're not supposed to like eat pork. But also they're 269 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: specifically allowed to if they're starving. There's no rule that 270 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: says they can't like step in cowman or a pig manure, 271 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Like that's not you don't know anything about these people, 272 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Like they don't go to hell if they get shot 273 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: by a bullet covered in pork fat. That would be 274 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: a weird thing for Mohammad to have put in the karate. 275 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: No, I mean all of these, all of these things 276 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: are more useful as phantasms than an actual you know, 277 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: understanding the different people are cultures. 278 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: And it's this thing, this belief that like, yeah, the 279 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: culture prayer where it exists, is this like authoritarian command. 280 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Whereas like, again, having been around it a lot, most 281 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: of what you see is people who are Muslims in 282 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: the street not stopping, like continuing to go about their day. 283 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot because like Muslims are people 284 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: who live in a modern country too, and like they 285 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: don't follow every rule the strictest way that it can 286 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: be followed, because nobody does. And my personal opinion is 287 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: I actually really miss that. It's like nice, it adds 288 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: atmosphere to your day, Like I found it really soothing 289 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: waking up to and going to sleep. I miss it 290 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: actually when I'm not there. So I don't know, this 291 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: guy's just a bigot and he doesn't know anything about Muslims. 292 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: But let's continue. 293 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: I can't believe the author of this book. I'm canceling 294 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: my Audible subscription I can't support this anymore. 295 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the this is this is what did 296 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: it for you. 297 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, I'm sorry. 298 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Let's let's continue. It was a call to prayer. Another 299 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: man snapped, you're defying the will of a law and 300 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: insulting us if one you continue to work while we pray. 301 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,239 Speaker 1: This is back to Raoul's thoughts. Ah, they must be Muslim, 302 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: that makes sense. He had been told when they arrived 303 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: in Detroit that there was a large Muslim population in 304 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: the area. Troop leader Winston tried to diffuse the situation. 305 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we meant no offense. We don't practice your faith. 306 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Most of my troop are Catholics, some follow no religion 307 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: at all. The lanky man stepped closer, only a few 308 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: freet from Winston. You will stop your work at the 309 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: times of our prayer. His tone was filled with a rage. 310 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: Several members of the troop began to move forward, closing 311 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: on their leader. Rol was shocked, but he too found 312 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: himself stepping towards them. In response, the man stabbed his 313 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: slender finger right into Avalon's chest as he spoke, I 314 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: do not care about your administration. You are violating our law. 315 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: We are not going to tolerate it. What law. Julian, 316 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: another of Rol's friends, called out, there's no law that 317 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: says we have to stop. Raoul noticed at that moment 318 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: that Julian was carrying a pick in his hand. Suddenly 319 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: it looked like a weapon to him. This is getting 320 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: out of hand. It is Sharia law. One of the 321 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: men spat back, No, it it's not. It is the 322 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: law that we live by. If you are here, you 323 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: need to adhere to it. That's religious law. Avalon said, 324 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't apply here. The man poked at his chest again, 325 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: this time hard. It is our law. As he did so, 326 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: he noticed that the troops stepped forward. Even Raul stopped 327 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: for a moment and grabbed a brick from an old 328 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: factory floor. The weight of it gave him confidence. You're 329 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: making a big mistake, snapped the tall man. You're disrespecting 330 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: our faith. We don't take them from anything from anyone, 331 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: especially a bunch of Mexicans brought into our city. It's 332 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: bad enough that Youth Corp takes jobs that our people need. 333 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: We will not tolerate you ignoring our religion. And it's interesting. 334 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: It's a it's again. If you knew anything at all 335 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: about like the left. There's a couple of ways this 336 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: could go that it would be more interesting, because like 337 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: we're led to believe this is a government where most 338 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: of the law enforcement is done by antifa mobs who 339 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: just like beat up people in the street and light 340 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: their cars on fire. And if you actually know a 341 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: lot of anarchists, there's a lot of anarchists who are 342 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: very anti religious. So like one version of this, you 343 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: could have this guy Winston be very hostile and he 344 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: could be showed like what the doomed multicultural nature of 345 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: this society, But they's he can't be consistent, So Winston 346 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: can't be like an actual like angry anarchist who hates religion. 347 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: He has to be like this milk toast caricature of 348 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: a liberal who can't stand up to the evil Muslims, 349 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: even though the government is explicitly shown as being governed 350 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: in large part by evil anarchists murdering people in the street. 351 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: But like we just don't actually see them doing any 352 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: evil anarchist stuff, Like they're not able to even like 353 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: argue with these Muslims about the cull to prayer. It's 354 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: just so inconsistent like he can't pick what kind of evil, 355 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: progressive fantasy world this is. 356 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: I mean I did kind of get a little astologic 357 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: about the Sharia law thing because that was that was 358 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: such a such an overwhelming talking point when I was younger, 359 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: how they're gonna they're gonna invade the country and and 360 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: force everyone to live under sharia law. It was just like, yeah, 361 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: so common. You don't hear that as much anymore. No, 362 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: it used to be like ever present. 363 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about why. Part of why is that, 364 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: like Christians in this country have realized that a lot 365 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: of the things they used to be scared about as 366 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Sharia law are actually things there, right, Yeah, Like a 367 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: lot of things that are actually shitty about, like a 368 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: lot of Muslim countries where religion is legislated into law, 369 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: are just things that Christians are trying to do here. 370 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: And it is funny he can't stop in trying to 371 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: create these evil Muslim caricatures. He can't stop accidentally describing 372 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: American Christians. And I'm going to read another passage here, sir, 373 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: what do we do when the sirens start the start 374 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: the sound of their prayers? One of the youth volunteers asked, 375 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: we will work quietly. Whinston replied, almost under his breath, 376 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't think we want trouble with these men, Raoul 377 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: not in response that much was true. They were tough 378 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: looking and angry. The religion fuels their anger, and that 379 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: is a dangerous combination, sure is Raoul. Yeah, so, Raoul, 380 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: you know this. This really troubles him. And he goes 381 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: to a church which, despite the fact that this is 382 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: like an evil atheist, anarchist, totalitary and state, there are 383 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: still Catholic churches operating openly where the priest is allowed 384 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: to openly critique the government without fear of violence. Apparently, 385 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: and Rule goes to one of these churches and he 386 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: talks to a priest. Once it had been a splendid building, 387 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: but time in the community had not been kind. Nasty 388 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: spray painted words plastered the magnificent stone work. Avalon had 389 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: limited their time for church, but never said why. Raoul 390 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: had promised his mother he would go, and he enjoyed 391 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: singing and praying. It reminded him of home. The congregation 392 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: was small, huddled in the first five rows of the 393 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: immense church. There had been more Catholics here at one 394 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: time that was evident many were older people, though a 395 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: few Latino families were there as well. Some pews were 396 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: missing near the rear of the church, and Rul thought 397 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: he saw burnmarks on the stone floor where they had been. 398 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Had there been a fire here? Was it during the 399 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: liberation protests? And again very unclear how the actual rules 400 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: are set up here. Is this like some sort of 401 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: early Soviet Union thing where they have banned the churches, 402 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: because it certainly seems like they're able to do church 403 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: still anyway, whatever. I also wanted to point out that 404 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: like this fantasy he has of like, oh, when if 405 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: the progressives get their way, churches will be burned? What 406 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: a heart? Who would do this? I want to look 407 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: into like what happened to mosques right after Trump took office? 408 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: And I want to read a quote here from a 409 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: teen Vogue article from March twenty seventeen. In the past 410 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: seven weeks, four moques across the country have caught fire. 411 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: According to BuzzFeed News, three of those fires have been 412 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: ruled arson. The authorities stated the Darus salam moss near Tampa, Florida, 413 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: caught fire this past Friday, marking the fourth mosque to 414 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: go up in flames in fewer than two months. Mark Potok, 415 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said 416 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: he's never seen anything like this, calling them a part 417 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: of a series of dramatic attacks against Muslims. So again, 418 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: he's always describing here shit that actually happened, just in reverse, 419 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: and he's being like, yeah, but what if it wasn't 420 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: us doing this? Like yet, they didn't do this when 421 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 1: they had the chance. But what if it wasn't us 422 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: doing this? You know, I just I love victim cold. 423 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: You know who is a victim? 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I just got a text from Tucker Garrison. 432 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: He just wanted to let us know that our support 433 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: means the world to him. 434 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: And we're still close with Tucker despite our many disagreements. 435 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're still able to main friends. 436 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never think that he didn't. We didn't 437 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: want him to come along this summer to our the 438 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: annual retreat that you and I do at our cabin 439 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: up in the Catskill Mountains. 440 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: No, I would love for him to join us in 441 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: the isolated cabin in the woods. Absolutely. 442 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be a great time for everybody. Next, 443 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: this Catholic priest explains how Muslims ruined tolerance to Raoul. 444 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: Raoul told him about the confrontation with the Muslim men. 445 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: The genial face of the older man nodded and slowly 446 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: went from jovial to rigid. God teaches us to turn 447 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: the other cheek, he said, But why were they imposing 448 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: their religion on us? Father Ryan's side, as if this 449 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: were a conversation that he'd had many times over. There 450 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: was a time, not long ago, when I would have 451 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: told you that they couldn't. The United States did not 452 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: allow such things. They called it the separation of church 453 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: and state. We also treated every religion equally. That changed 454 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: four years ago after the Fall. Things changed, not necessarily 455 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: for the better. Detroit has always had a large Muslim community. 456 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: Before the fall, we lived in relative harmony with Nu America. However, 457 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: some communities have begun to inflict their religious beliefs on others. 458 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: The government refuses to step in. Being Muslim means you're 459 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: an oppressed religion, and the Fedgov looks the other way 460 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: when they overstepped their bounds. The Catholic Church is seen 461 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: as a privileged religion, which promotes racism and class. 462 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Distinctions about the whole like privilege system that they have. Oh, 463 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: oh my god, you get different privilege points. I also 464 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: forgot about Nu America, which still very good. 465 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: It's it's really funny. And the yeah, the Fedgov. There's 466 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: no four years is not enough for everyone to go 467 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: from calling it the federal government or the government to 468 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: the FEDGOV. That's just not the way language works. 469 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: My man, Fedgov has a weird mouthfield. I don't like Fedgov. 470 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't like it all. And it's this. 471 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 2: I love that. 472 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: I love that it's a Catholic priest being like America 473 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: used to not privilege any religion and then four years 474 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: ago at all that it changed. Sure, buddy, And you know, 475 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: I talk a lot rebudding this right wing shit, islamophobia, 476 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: shit about like good experiences I've had in Muslim parts 477 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: of the world. You know, I've had bad experiences too. 478 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: I've encountered like plenty of regret. I've been shot it 479 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: by Isis guys. But like in Ukraine, I went to 480 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: a Ukrainian mosque that had ansari Im mom and like 481 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: my photographer was a woman and she was not allowed 482 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: on the compound. I had to go alone to interview 483 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: this guy because he would not let a woman onto 484 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: his compound. And that's fucked up. But it's also the 485 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: kind of fucked up that like Christians think is good. 486 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: It's like Mike Pince did that shit. And it's when 487 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: I went to a Christian monastery in northern Greece and Mediora, 488 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: they like hand out dresses there that all of the 489 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: women have to put on around whatever they happen to 490 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: be wearing, just to make sure that they're decent before God. 491 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: And it's like you get like that, and that's that's 492 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: why they have to make up shit like these fantasy 493 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: Muslims who want to murder people for working during the 494 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: cull to prayer, which doesn't really happen because the ship 495 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: that actual Muslim extremists do that's bad is stuff that 496 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: all of these Christian conservatives think is awesome. 497 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean even when I grew up, like it 498 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: was that was the entire culture that I was entrenched in, 499 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: and like women had to make sure they didn't dress 500 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: certain ways or else they would like incite lust in 501 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: a man, which isn't a man's fault if he acts 502 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: on it, it is the woman's fault. And that's just 503 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: so normal from like girls like five years old to corpse. 504 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: That was the way. That was the way things were. 505 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, in part to just sort of like make 506 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: a point of how full of shit this guy is. 507 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: One of the more recent stories of actual attempts by 508 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: American Muslims to enforce like religious laws on other people 509 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: in the United States is something that was widely supported 510 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: by Christian Conservatives. This happened outside of it in Washington, 511 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: d C. In a school district that had an lgbt 512 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: inclusion policy that was protested by a chunk of the 513 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: local Muslim community. The According to A. Zeneb Chowdri, the 514 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: Maryland director for the Council on Islamic American Relations, the 515 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: school system believes it is being inclusive towards LGBTQ parents 516 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: and students, but in doing that, it is not being 517 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: inclusive towards another set of parents and students, and this 518 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: is like a real conflict. There's been a couple other 519 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: cases of this where you've got like large Muslim communities 520 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: that are hostile to LGBTQ rights, and guys like Blaine 521 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: have no issue with this because they're fundamentally in favor 522 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: of all of the actual problems that come from like 523 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Islamic fundamentalism, because they have the same problems that come 524 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: from Christian fundamentalism. Anyway. 525 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they often will form like a sort of 526 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: informal united front on this sort of thing. 527 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, a smarter person who was still conservative 528 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: could actually like do something interesting where you have like, yeah, 529 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: I've got these like Christian religious extremists who lost their war, 530 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: and they're like banding together with these hardliner Muslims in 531 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, some of these cities in order to like 532 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: because these people are oppressed and they have more power 533 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: into the new government to push through some of the 534 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: regressive laws against groups that they hate or whatever. Like 535 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: that's at least more interesting and more complex than what 536 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: we get here. You know, I could still see that 537 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: being pretty racist, but at least it would make for 538 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: better storytelling. But again Blaine doesn't it doesn't go deep 539 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: enough to do any of that. Yeah, So Raoul continues 540 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: to talk with Father Ryan, Father Ryan, who ends by 541 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: saying we are all equal in God's eyes. The ruling 542 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: counsel feels that we possess too much wealth and power, 543 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: so they have taxed us and persecuted our practices. The 544 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: truth is the first victim of oppressive governments. What had 545 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: been tolerance has become strife. You were not the first 546 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: to endure such confrontations. Now you, as a good Catholic, 547 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: must endure the pressures of the social enforcers, as must 548 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: I Jesus bore across. We must bear others inflicting their 549 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: beliefs upon us. 550 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: Christians would never inflict their beliefs. 551 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: And nobody, no, not a thing I've ever seen them do. 552 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: And the scene ends with Father Ryan telling Raoul there 553 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: are times we have to fight for our beliefs, and 554 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: so Raoul very reasonably, is like, are you saying I 555 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: should fight those Muslims or like fight the government, and 556 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: the priest is like, oh no, no, I just meant like, generally, 557 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta fight for your beliefs, but not in 558 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: an actionable way it could get me in trouble. And 559 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: then we move on to the next sub chapter, which 560 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: is set in Wheeling, West Virginia. You remember our fed spook, Kaylee, 561 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: the former CIA lady who's part of the it's not 562 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: the FBI, but it's mostly made up of the old 563 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: FBI and the CIA, who the anarchists are all okay 564 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: with basically having cop jobs. Still, yeah, yeah, she has 565 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: to drive to this. There's been a murder that she's 566 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: going that's tied to this right wing terrorist group, so 567 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: she's going to go look at these these anarchist you know, 568 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: gang cops who all got murdered together. And she gets 569 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: really angry on the drive there that she has to 570 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: drive a hybrid, a cop car, a Prius. 571 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's feel efficient. Goddamn it, I've been cooked. 572 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: A cop car is supposed to be fast and heavy 573 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: duty to hell with emissions and concerns that perps would 574 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: get hurt in a chase. And that's it's so comprehensively 575 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: from one thing. Electric and hybrid cars are much heavier 576 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: than regular cars. They're extremely heavy. If you hit someone 577 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: with them, they do a lot of damage because they're 578 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: very heavy. Vehicles copared to like an ice you know engine. 579 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: And the other fact of this is that, like the 580 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: concern with cop cars being too big, isn't that they'll 581 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: hurt purpse in a chase. It's that cops kill people 582 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: constantly chasing them, and the dead are almost never the purpse. 583 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: They're nearly always bystanders. In fact, I look this up, 584 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: more than five thousand bystanders and passengers have been killed 585 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: in police car chases since nineteen seventy nine. That's two 586 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: nine to elevens. Garrison, What a fun fact that is. Yeah, 587 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: two nine elevens. Bystanders and passengers and chased cars account 588 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: for nearly half of all people killed in police pursuits. 589 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: Most bystanders were killed in their own cars by a 590 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: fleeing driver. Anyway, police shouldn't be allowed to chase people. 591 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: It never police almost never goes well. 592 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: Police shouldn't be allowed. 593 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: But the yes shouldn't be allowed. I'm just we did 594 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: try to have that fight, Garrison. This book is about 595 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: what would have happened if we'd won. 596 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: And we still have the FBI for some reason. 597 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, Honestly, again, because he's not a good writer, 598 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: he couldn't make this more interesting. You could, if you 599 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: were a leftist, maybe do a fun satire of like 600 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement after the fantasy anarchist revolution, where all of 601 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: these as happens in real revolutions, like a lot of 602 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the Tzar's secret police wound up working for the Soviet 603 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: police state. Right, Like stuff like this happens in revolutions. 604 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: You can have a pretty interesting satire novel based around 605 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: like an FBI agent who manages to keep his job 606 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: in this transition to a quote unquote leftist state that 607 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: recreates a lot of the same problems of the earlier state. 608 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: Something interesting could be done with that if you actually 609 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: cared to write well. 610 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: And it is funny because now a popular conservative platform 611 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: is basically trying to abolish the FBI. 612 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: Said sure, Hey, you know what, let him fight if 613 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: it were a Tucker fight, the hard fight. Yeah, all right. 614 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: So here's Kaylee the grave and the place that this 615 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: murder has taken care place at is called the graveyard, 616 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: which is Garrison. Do you know what discourse we're about 617 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: to get in to here? 618 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: Necrofeelia discord No. 619 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: No destroyed statues Garrison. All of the statues got removed 620 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty revolution from everywhere in America, and 621 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: they all got moved to a graveyard in West Virginia. 622 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: That's where all of America's old statues go. 623 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. 624 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wet from the morning rain. To some 625 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: from a distance, it looked like a cemetery with unusually 626 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: large markers. In reality, these were statues after liberation. The 627 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: ruling council felt that destroying the monuments to old America's 628 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: past might spurn more resistance. Their solution was to put 629 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: them in the graveyard. Its formal name was the United 630 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: States Tribute Gardens. There were statues of former presidents, soldiers, 631 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: countless Confederate statues, either torn down by mobs or removed 632 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: after the United States had fallen and New America was born. 633 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: I love this confirmation that in New America is the 634 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: legal official name of the country. Yeah, that would get 635 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: bigger riots than anything that actually happened in twenty twenty. 636 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Kaylee looked at them as she walked through and saw 637 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: the damage that had been done to them, the faint 638 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: outlines of old graffiti and sand blasted off. She could 639 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: see BLM and Antifa tags and simple sprayed in several 640 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: spots where the cleaning had failed. Streaks of rust and 641 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: tarnished stained some stones. She walked past the statue of 642 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, ripped from its former memorial in the district. 643 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: Someone had painted his face black, and despite scrubbing efforts, 644 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: it clung to the bronze. How the Mighty have fallen? 645 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: The old Jefferson Memorial had been converted to the Clinton 646 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: Peace Monument a year ago. 647 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: After the. 648 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a utopia. Bill Clinton's dead in twenty 649 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: twenty five, in the in this in the blue Dawn future, 650 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: Jefferson has fallen the Clinton Peace Monument. 651 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: That's so funny. That's so funny. 652 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: What did he do for peace? 653 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 3: Particularly, Like it's a great question. Yeah, like no one 654 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: even no one, no liberal, the liberals don't credit him 655 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: for being a great peace president. They just missed the 656 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: nineties because the thing seemed a lot better. 657 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was before nine to eleven and after. 658 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: The Cold War. It was just the best time to 659 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: be president. Like he just got really lucky with it. Okay, 660 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: some really stupid world building follows. Kaylee had been monitoring 661 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: NSF reports looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack 662 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: for anything that pointed to sons of Liberty movement. There 663 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: were a few seemingly random assassinations, usually of social enforcement, 664 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: but those could be attributed to some overly brave civilian 665 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: that had somehow managed to keep his or horror rifle 666 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: and was out for revenge. No, she knew that the 667 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: SOL wanted to do something that could not be ignored, 668 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: something that would provoke a response on the part of 669 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: the administration. This mass killing, this fit their remo. NSF 670 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: detectives were good, but they came from a pure policing background. 671 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: Usually she was an operative, and that was a different 672 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: animal altogether. Operatives all had some sort of special forces background. 673 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: They didn't think like police. They were more devious, a 674 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: bit more cunning, always more ruthless. She had been a 675 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: ranger in the army right after the liberation, one of 676 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the few women to ever pass the program, then transferred 677 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: to military police. Kaylee understood how the police thought. It 678 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: went past that. If she didn't get the answer she 679 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: was looking for, well she was inoperative. N SF operatives 680 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: like her could beat it out of someone if they 681 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: had to. Officially, operatives didn't exist, but everyone knew they did. 682 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: There's a lot that's fun. For one thing, you know 683 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: a lot of Army Rangers, the idea that, like we're 684 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: a uniquely brutal kind of breathe like not guys, no, 685 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: barely barely special Forces. Yeah, I'm not trying to give 686 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: the rangers particular shit, but come on here, Like it 687 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: doesn't include torture training to be an Army ranger. It's 688 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: also funny when you read about like the kind of 689 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: shit Special Forces guys get busted for, which is almost 690 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, selling lots of drugs 691 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: and guns, Like it happens constantly, they get caught constantly. 692 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: That just this this fantasy fetishization of like what it 693 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: means to be Special Forces is always very funny to me. 694 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: The thing that's funnier to me is the idea that, 695 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: like she's an operative, and that's a secret almost mythical 696 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: status in this government. People don't even know that the 697 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: odd there don't even officially exist, but everyone knows they exist. 698 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: So her organization is both so secret that it verges 699 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: on mythical, but also an open enough reality that she 700 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: has a badge that identifies her as an operative. And 701 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: immediately after this paragraph where they're like, officially, it doesn't exist. 702 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: She introduces herself to the police with a badge as 703 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: an operative and has immediately recognized as legitimate law enforcement. 704 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: It's just bad riding. As she rounded a massive battered 705 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: statue of Theodore Roosevelt, she came to where the crime 706 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: scene technicians were gathered, tied to the statues. They stood 707 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: in front of with the bodies of fifteen individuals. Most 708 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: had their throats cut, and she could see bruises many 709 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: bore on their faces. They were tired up arms extended 710 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: with cheap old rope, something that would be hard to trace. 711 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: The texts were getting up on ladders, carefully scanning the 712 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: bodies and the statues for evidence. She looked at them 713 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: strung up on the statues as if they were crucified. 714 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: She spotted someone she assumed was the lead detective and 715 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: walked briskly over to him. Feet were already wet from 716 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: the grass. He had her with total disregard until she 717 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: flashed her badge. Speck ups, he said, turning to face 718 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: her with a little more respect. Anne is to gun uperative. 719 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: I thought you folks were myths. It's best that you 720 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: continue to she said, it's how we prefer it. So 721 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't like question in it all that he sees 722 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: a badge for things that doesn't exist. He doesn't like 723 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: be like, that's not a real law enforcement badge because 724 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. Like there's no nobody actually questions this, 725 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: like the cops have no problem not only have no 726 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: problem with the FED, but a FED from an organization 727 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't officially exist anyway. Whatever. I it's just bad writing, 728 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: is what it is. 729 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: Garrison, Yes, it does. It does appear to be. 730 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's fine. The victims are dastardly Antifa oppressors, 731 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: so we're gonna get like some grisly descriptions of like 732 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: young college students getting murdered that clearly gets the author 733 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: of this hard. 734 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 735 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it is. It is very clear here, 736 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go wildly in to detail on this, 737 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: but I do feel the need to read this paragraph. 738 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: That was the problem with the social enforces as she 739 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: saw them. They were sloppy professionals understood the need for 740 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: paper trails and good documentation. These former ANTIFA kids preferred 741 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: to grab a club or a rock and just start 742 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: chucking sooner or later, we're going to have to put 743 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: an end to having two policing forces out there. There's more, 744 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: the detective said grimly. When we idid the first victim, 745 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: we sit someone over to his house. His family had 746 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: been murdered as well. We're still tracking down the rest, 747 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: but it looks like someone made this very personal, killing children. 748 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my hands on these bastards. 749 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: She said nothing, but did not mostly do appear polite. 750 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: The tactic was far from new. During the Liberation, Antifa 751 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: and the other revolutionaries had done the same thing to 752 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: police officers families. It had shaken the law enforcement community 753 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: to its core. Many officers put their loved ones in hiding, 754 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: while others refused to go back on patrol. Now these 755 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: tactics are being used against us. She knew no one 756 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: would say it out loud, but the phrase that came 757 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: to her mind was Karma's a bitch. And I think 758 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: that's funny, because do you know what actually happens in 759 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720 Speaker 1: real life. What didn't happen is Antifa murdering the family 760 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: members of police officers. Never happened. Didn't occur. We had 761 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: an Antifa, They won the election, Theoretically, if you're this 762 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: guy and no police officers' families ever got targeted or murdered, 763 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: you know what is happening right now? Present day Los 764 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff's deputies targeting the families of people that 765 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: they murdered. And I'm going to read a quote here 766 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: from The Hill dot Com. Our report released this week 767 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: claims that deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 768 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: regularly targeted relatives of several individuals were fatally shot by 769 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: members of the agency. The thirty seven page report from 770 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: the National Lawyers Guild Los Angeles ACLU of Southern California 771 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: and other groups lists alleged harassment against relatives of two men, 772 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: Paul Raya and Anthony Vargas. Raya, eighteen, died in twenty 773 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: nineteen after being shot multiple times by an East Los 774 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: Angeles deputy. Vargus, twenty one, was fatally shot by two 775 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: deputies in twenty eighteen. The report, which was also presented 776 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: by groups like Black Lives Met At Los Angeles and 777 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: The Check the Sheriff coalitions, said deputies tried to intimidate 778 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: family members Raya and Vargas by slowly driving by or 779 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: parking in front of their homes, slowly driving by memorial sites, 780 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: and damaging items at memorial sites. Deputies also allegedly taunted 781 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: relatives with crude comments and gestures, followed them as they drove, 782 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: parked outside their relatives' places of work, took pictures of them, 783 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: and recorded them. The group's further alleged to the deputies 784 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: harassed relatives who were miners, frequently pulled over family members 785 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: and searched their vehicles, and detained members without probable cause. 786 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: The report detailed several incidents of alleged harassment, claiming in 787 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: some cases it took place after individuals spoke publicly against 788 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: the killing of their family member. In one incident, in 789 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: October twenty nineteen, the group say Raya's sister jay Leen, 790 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: spoke out about her brother's killing, and later that month 791 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: also attended a town hall that was hosted by Los 792 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva. The report alleged that Jaylen 793 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: was forcibly arrested by LASD deputies without probable cause shortly 794 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: after attending the town hall. In the roughly two hours 795 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: she was held by police, Jayleen was not told by 796 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: deputies why she was arrested. 797 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 2: There's been very similar stuff happening in Atlanta the past 798 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: few weeks and the past few months, I guess there's 799 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: been a lot of similar reports from people of APD 800 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: and other other agencies doing quite quite similar harassment and 801 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: even allegedly escalating to forms of like violent intimidation. 802 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's this this idea that like, oh, these 803 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 1: antifa guys that I've had to invent because the real 804 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: ones never did anything like this. You know, Karma's a bitch. 805 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: You stood in this and we're finishing And the. 806 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: Reality is that, like, well, think they're Batman or something 807 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: like I can't let people know or I'll sty'll go 808 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 2: after my family or experiment like whatever. 809 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: Like Karma being a bitch would be police officers' families 810 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: getting targeted by like the victims of police violences, families 811 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: who like carried out a vengeance campaign like something like that, 812 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: because that's like what actually happens in the real world. 813 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: But you know, again, you could you could still be 814 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: a right wing shithead and have that be your plot point, 815 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: and at least it would be slightly truer to the reality. 816 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: You'd be acknowledging that like, no, no, the cycle of 817 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: targeting families was started by the cops. It does kind 818 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: of make me think too of like Chris Dorner, right, 819 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: who as the only guy I can think of who 820 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: hated cops and attacked cops and attacked and killed members 821 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,959 Speaker 1: of police officers families and he was also a cop. 822 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: Because that's what cops do, is they go after the 823 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: family members of people they don't like. 824 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: Right, with disregard for like other casualties. 825 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's very much cop shit, you know. Anyway, 826 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: you know what's not the police unless it is because 827 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: it has been in the past. 828 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 2: As our sponsors hopefully these ads. 829 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we'll see we're back. So I want 830 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: to give you an idea of how masturbatory the descriptions 831 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: of dead activists here are. Sure, and also let's talk 832 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: about who he sees as being the members of these 833 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: Antifa death squads. Kaylee looked up for a long moment 834 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: at one of the bodies, a young woman who her matted, 835 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: wet blonde hair obscuring her face. Her black buttoned shirt 836 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 1: was opened and her faded UCLA T shirt was visible 837 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: against the wet soaked bloodstain where her throat had been cut. 838 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: She was close to the same age as a Lee, 839 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: but they were worlds apart. The message is that the 840 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 1: sons of liberty are back throats, so slashed throats slashed. 841 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: I do love that. Like, yes, random UCLA grads are 842 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: like the murder police and this this hell whole progressive 843 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: fantasy world very I mean, you thing scarier than UCLA kids. 844 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 2: You can tell why all these like campus protests really 845 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 2: freaked out these people too. Yeah, yeah, like it really 846 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 2: it really got to them because yeah, they think all 847 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 2: these kids at universities are like this like secret militia 848 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 2: ready to strike. Meanwhile, they have actual militias ready to strike. 849 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have militias that like tried to overthrow the 850 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: government and like actually did a huge amount and have repeatedly. 851 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: There was just another guy arrested for threatening to kill 852 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: the family members of FBI agents after Hunter Biden's conviction, 853 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: Like a conservative who was angry because he somehow felt 854 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: that the Hunter Biden conviction was evidence of Biden hiding 855 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: the truth about his family's crimes, and he like threatened 856 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: to kill family members of FBI agents and he's going 857 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: to do a lot of prison time for that, presumably 858 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: because you're you're not supposed to do that. But again, 859 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: the people threatening folks families are always you guys, right 860 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: Like anyway, I want to end with a little bit 861 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 1: more world building from this book about what happened to 862 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: the press. 863 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 2: Oh oh good? 864 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is Kaylee talking to this cop. You know, 865 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: at the murder scene. The press is already here. I've 866 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: kept them back, secure their gears, she replied, Kick them out, 867 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: Remind them what happens if they don't cooperate, If they 868 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: have a complaint, tell them to take it up with 869 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: the Truth Reconciliation Committee. The media sided with the administration. 870 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: They had a little choice. They had incited the liberation 871 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: with their manipulation of information during the last election. Any 872 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: pretense that they were going to buck the fedgov and 873 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: run a story that was bad was quickly squelched. Their 874 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: hands were as dirty as anyone's now. If they wanted 875 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: a story out, it had to be cleared by the TRC, 876 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: which was little more than a government censorship organization. They 877 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: know their place, and those that didn't are long gone. 878 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: They incited the liberation with their manipulation of information, and 879 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: this is all based on the twenty twenty uprising, which 880 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: was incited by a cop choking a man to death 881 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: and a very like absolutely unedited, uneditorialized video by a 882 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: citizen who happened. 883 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 2: To be on the scene, like a largely like completely undisputed. Yeah. 884 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Even Trump's initial reaction was like, yeah, it's fucking horrible, right, 885 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: because like everyone's was, It's just I anyway, I don't know. 886 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's all I got today from Blaine Pardo's 887 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: Blue Dog. We're probably done with this book at this point. 888 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: I just needed to know a little bit more about 889 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: what the f future has in store. When I think 890 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: it's mortars. 891 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 2: I would like to learn more about how Trump is 892 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 2: going to be training this secret underground militia. I do. 893 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: I do kind of want to hop to like find 894 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: the president in this. I haven't made it that far 895 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: because they they how how would Donald Trump survive? Underground 896 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: lifting is. 897 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 2: Like like Donald Trump with like an eye patch. Yeah, 898 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 2: he has a camlee. 899 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: He's like he's paragliding into New York City. 900 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 2: He's going to retake Trump Tower. 901 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: Oh man, oh god, that's funny. 902 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it probably won't be that fun or cool, 903 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 2: but we can imagine. 904 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: It definitely won't be that fun or cool, but we 905 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: can do something. Garrison, you got any pluggables to plug 906 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 1: before we roll out here? 907 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 2: Oh, just just my regular chronicling the brainwad on. It 908 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 2: could happen here if you want to, if you want 909 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 2: to listen about me learning way too much about Trump pornography. 910 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 2: That episode came out earlier in the month of June 911 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 2: or Trump Rule thirty four, and there's probably all kinds 912 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 2: of nonsense come out since then, based on you know, 913 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 2: the election and the debates and all that all that 914 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 2: fun stuff. 915 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so check that out. Check out Garrison showing 916 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: his co workers pornography. Unless you will not work, unless 917 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: you work for iHeartRadio hides. 918 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 2: It was completely sense. 919 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: They tried, they tried, they tried to censor anyway. You know, Garrett, 920 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: We're done. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool 921 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: Zone Media. 922 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 2: For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool 923 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 2: Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 924 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.