WEBVTT - Ep 54 Wake Up and Smell the Caffeine 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.360 Hi, I'm Aaron Welsh, and I'm Aaron Oman Updike. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:47.680 And I'm Matt can Daz. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:54.160 And this is this podcast will Kill You Crossover Edition. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.600 Within Defensive Plans. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.000 Yes, I'm so excit. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.360 I did really excited. We've been waiting a long time. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.000 I can't believe this is the first one we've done 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:05.560 this season. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.199 That's not we did Risin. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:09.920 When was that? 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.520 That felt like forever ago? By the way, it was. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:14.759 Like seven years ago. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.160 Easily much has changed in the meantime. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.959 I don't remember anything about Ricin. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.400 I gotta tell you come on the umbrellas like Pellett. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.880 Oh yeah, okay, what bad seed? 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.119 I thought about it yesterday when I was covered in ticks. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:35.000 Oh yeah, okay, now I remember. Thanks for reminding me. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.480 There's so much. I feel like if somebody drew up 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.440 a pop quiz of like facts I learned on TPWKY, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:44.639 I would fail. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:46.000 I'd be embarrassing. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.920 I had someone write me the other day and say, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.360 in one episode you said this, but then in another 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.000 episode you contradicted your your perception on that. I was like, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.280 I don't know, I changed my mind. I guess I 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.160 don't even remember saying that. Cool thank you for paying attention. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.920 Oh well, what are we talking about on this very 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.560 exciting crossover episode. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.600 We're talking about the thing keeping me alive right now, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.760 and that is caffeine. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.160 My heart just swells when you say it. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.760 I mean how much when I was when you guys 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.240 were reading about this or researching this, how much were 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.760 you craving coffee or tea or chocolate or whatever it was. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.600 I have had no less than six cups of coffee 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.160 in the last thirty six hours, in which I have 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.160 also had less than two hours of discontinuous sleep. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.040 That doesn't sound great, Eric. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.320 Ooh yeah, mental health. Take care of yourself. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.000 We can talk about why it works, though it's gonna. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.839 Be really exciting. Why it works for now? 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:53.840 Yep. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.320 Well, I did all my research in the morning while 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.120 I was drinking coffee, so it was perfect. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.560 Oh excellent. So to celebrate this wonderful thing to which 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.960 we are all I can assume addicted. What are we drinking? 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.040 What's our quarantini? 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:13.000 It's the caffeined get it? 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:14.799 Yeah? 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:16.960 Oh, Aaron, what's in the caffeine? 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.560 It's kind of like a take on a white Russian 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:25.000 So it's vodka. It's got Kalua. It's got chai tea 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:30.840 syrup cream, and then to make it even more caffeine friendly, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.360 we're gonna toss in like a swirl of chocolate syrup 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.640 on top and then garnish with like a cinnamon stick 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.000 if you have one. Yeah, I'm not sure that I. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.720 Do so I'm allergic to cinnamon. 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.760 So no, no, entirely. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.960 Yeah, it's tragedy, pure tragedy. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.080 We'll post the full recipe for that quarantini as well 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.000 as our non alcoholic but still caffeine friendly plus see 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.440 ber Rita on our social media channels and our website. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.360 This podcast will kill you dot com. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:05.000 We sure will. So we just did an awesome interview today. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.000 It was so much fun with Corey from opp which 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.280 is Other People's Podcast. It's a podcast where he interviews 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.320 other people about their podcasts. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:14.680 It's super fun. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.440 It's really fun. It was such a great experience. You 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:18.480 guys should go check it out. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.440 Yeah, thanks for having a song, Corey. It was so fun. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.159 All right, So now ZEP, business done taken care. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.560 Of I think we took care of taking care of business, TCOB. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.960 This is going to be a great episode. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.320 Well, I think we already need a short break, maybe, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.440 I definitely think, so, all right, we'll do that and 0:04:44.480 --> 0:05:12.240 then we'll come back with some caffeine, okay, the story 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.520 of caffeine. So when I was preparing this, I was like, Okay, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.000 I don't know if I should concentrate more on coffee 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.840 or tea, or cacao or any of the other caffeine 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.760 containing plants or foods or beverages that we consume. And 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.240 I'm sure, Matt, you'll talk about some of those other ones. Yeah, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.760 And then one thought that occurred to me was like, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.440 maybe I'll write out a different history for each of those. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.920 I'll do I'll write out a thing for coffee, I'll 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.720 write out a thing for tea, and I'll write out 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.279 a thing for cacao. And I'll be like, you guys 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.520 choose they could choose your own adventure. And then I 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.160 was like, why would I do that to myself? 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.719 Each one of those is a novel in and of itself. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:06:00.600 Yeah. I struggled. So instead I decided to just do 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:05.560 a very general overview of caffeine, mostly concentrating on the 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.080 big hitters coffee and tea, with a little bit of 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.000 cacao thrown in there. Awesome So I want to start 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.520 by just going over a little bit of the origin stories, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.240 the best part of every superhero movie. So let's start 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:21.839 with tea. So tea was supposedly discovered by shen Nung, 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.680 the mythical first Emperor of China and the inventor of 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.400 all kinds of things, from animal husbandry to the plow, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.640 to plant based medicine, and of course tea. And so 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.920 the story goes a little something like this. One day 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.800 shen Nung sat down under a shady shrub to escape 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.919 the heat in a particularly hot day, and then he 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.360 decided to cool off by building a fire. I don't 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.119 understand how that would work, and then boiling some water 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.440 to drink again doesn't seem like a particularly cool down experience. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.960 You know, the boiled water thing actually did make sense 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.119 because he had noticed that people who boiled their water 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.800 tended to get sick less often, which is pretty cool. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.760 But as he was building up his fire by adding 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.840 more branches, a few of the leaves on the shrub 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.960 that he was sitting under, they just like happened to 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.440 fall into his pot of boiling water, and he was like, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.440 you know what, I'm not dipping my hand in there 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.480 and scooping them out. I'm just gonna let them stay 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.920 in the water. And then he drank it and he 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.320 was like, what is this? This is delicious. I want 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.120 to drink more of this. I need to tell everyone 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.120 about this. And of course it was tea. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.679 Can I just say that story reminds me a lot 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.480 of the Willow story of the guy trying to take 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.680 a rest behind a tree and then chewing on some 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.320 bark and being like, ooh my pain is gone. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:52.600 Yeah, yeah, oh fun. Always these fortuitous discoveries that just 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.920 somehow under trees, get under. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.040 Trees if you're stumped, just you know where to sit. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.440 On a stump. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:09.920 Oh that was so dorky. I liked it. I'm for it, okay. So, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.320 also in addition to being the discoverer of tea, he 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.840 also recognized a lot of the stimulatory is that a 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.200 word properties of tea. So he actually kept track of 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.200 his own medical records. So there are like hundreds of 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.440 pages of his own like this is what my bladder was, like, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.040 this is what my temperature was whatever, and this is 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.600 what the bile was. But he wrote down in his 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.439 records that tea was good for tumors or abscesses that 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.160 come about the head or for ailments of the bladder. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.560 It dissipates heat caused by phlems or inflammation of the chest. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.959 It quenches thirst, it lessens the desire for sleep. It 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:58.959 gladdens and cheers the heart. Also true, and so because 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.280 of these amazing benefits of tea, this drink steadily grew 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.680 in popularity in China and then downright exploded during the 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.560 Tang dynasty between six hundred and nine hundred CE. But 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.960 outside of China, the first references to tea come from 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.120 about nine hundred CE in writings by Arab traders. But 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.040 no one in Europe or the New World or anywhere 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.760 else really knew that much about tea or cared to 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.960 investigate it further until the mid fifteen hundreds, despite the 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.280 fact that there was, you know, ample trade going on. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.360 But remember that date in mid fifteen hundreds. Okay, okay, 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.880 So now coffee, the coffee bush, as I'm sure you'll 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.800 talk about, maybe matt grows throughout Africa, and that's probably 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.800 where it originated, like Ethiopia area. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.600 Yeah, I've heard like sort of Middle Eastern. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:54.560 Middle Eastern, like Yemen, Ethiopia areas, But it doesn't seem 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.680 that coffee was used by or even known to anyone 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.800 in any of like the a worlds like ancient Greece, 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.600 Ancient Rome, ancient Middle East, or ancient Africa. There is 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.479 some evidence that in Ethiopia, coffee beans were first consumed 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.840 by people, possibly as small balls consisting of like the 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.040 ground fruit and then the bean itself, and then packed 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.959 together with lard to make like a little energy ball, 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.880 energy bites, energy bytes. I mean, I mean, I have 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.000 always loved eating like chocolate covered coffee beans, and then 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.240 I find myself being like, why do why can't I sleep? 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.000 Why do I feel? 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:32.120 So? 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.680 What's the word alert on edge? On edge? 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.679 Yeah, my grandmother used to give them to me as 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.840 a kid, and she would call them goatterds. She's like, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.240 you want some goat ds? And eventually I learned that, yeah, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:42.600 I do. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.600 Like, that's not going to put me off them. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.600 Yeah, welcome to my life. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.679 Well, and then there's the whole thing about like the 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.600 civet and the most expensive coffee in the world is 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.920 like the one that has been passed through a civet's 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:03.040 intestines poop bowels. Yeah, anyway, okay, And so there are 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.760 some historical references to ancient documents or accounts of coffee 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.400 drinking as early as the sixth century, but the earliest 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.400 indisputable records put that timing as no earlier than the 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.800 middle of the fifteenth century. In the Sufi monasteries of 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.839 the Yemen in southern Arabia, and this story goes a 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:27.439 little something like this, and Ethiopian goatherd named Kaldi was 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.200 out hurting his goats one day when he noticed his 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.920 flock nibbling on some bright red berries on a certain bush, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.160 and they wouldn't come over when he called. But when 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.760 he found them, they were all jumping and kind of 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.680 like frantically and frenzied dancing around. He was like, okay, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.960 it has to do something with these red berries on 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.320 this bush. So what would happen if I tasted them? 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.319 So he chewed on some of the berries himself, and 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.520 he liked what he tasted. So he's like, all right, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.600 I'm going to gather a handful of these and bring 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.520 them to the nearby monastery. But the holy men of 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.840 the monastery did not approve of these devilish red berries, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.320 and so they threw them into the fire, which then 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.040 only led to the most delicious smelling aroma, and they 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:19.200 were like, well, not so fast. So they dragged these 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.600 beans from the ashes, ground them up, and then dissolved 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.720 them in hot water, leading to the first cup of coffee. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.760 What an interesting story. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.200 I mean, so many steps in there. I would have 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.400 loved to see sort of the thought process. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.600 Back to the fire you must go so these I mean, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.520 of course, this story, just as the one previous, might 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.319 just be a story like right, But somehow, somehow, the 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.720 infusion of both tea leaves and coffee beans had led 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:56.200 to this discovery that whatever the infusion was was delicious 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.360 in some way, even though it's bitter and surprising, people 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.480 found it that delicious. But maybe that's just the power 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:08.119 of caffeine. Okay, So now cacao. Cacao was first cultivated 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.360 not by Mayans but by the Olemes who lived in 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.120 the lowlands of Mexico from around fifteen hundred to five 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.160 hundred BCE, and they used the cacao pods to make 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.000 a chocolate drink. And there's even evidence on a pottery 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.120 jar from like five hundred CE found in Guatemala that 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:30.600 has hieroglyphs that indicate cacao and analysis like an analysis 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.439 of the contents of the pot showed traces of caffeine 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.320 and through theobromine nice, and the drink was called chocolatl 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.280 of course. And then the Mayans after them, So the 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.160 Mayans after the Olmes so around one thousand BCE to 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.080 two fifty CE, followed the Omex in this using cacao 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.320 as currency often, and then after the Mayans it was 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.480 picked up by the toll Text between the tenth and 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.240 twelfth centuries, and then finally by the Aztecs from the 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.680 twelfth centuries until the Spanish CONQUESTA arrived in the mid 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:06.040 fifteen hundreds and had chocolate for the first time and 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:13.640 then destroyed everything. Yeah, and so like also just a 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.040 note on naming. When Cortes first arrived to you know, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.480 start the fall of the Aztec Empire, he was given chocolate, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.080 you know, initially in this warm welcome and he was like, 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.440 this is so delicious, this is the drink of the gods. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.440 Hence theobroma cacao. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.240 Wow. Yeah, I don't think I ever put. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:39.120 That together, Okay, So with tea, coffee and chocolate. I 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.840 stopped at around the mid fifteen hundreds because that was 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.120 in general, the time when each of those stopped being 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.480 known to only the region they originated in, and that's 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.800 when they began this worldwide tour of notoriety that would 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.560 lead to caffeine consumption on a scale that has never decreased. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.640 That is so interesting that all three kind of coalesced 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.440 at the same time. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.720 I think a lot of it has to do also 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:12.800 with just the timing of like when long distance traveling 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.120 was made more possible and when you know, sort of 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.120 as it coincided with as we talked about in the 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.520 Screwby episode. I think like there was all of a 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.479 sudden a need to go trade more, and the shipbuilding 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.120 really increased, and that technology for traveling long distances increased. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.200 And then of course, like when you find something like 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.360 this that is widely consumed in a certain area and 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.080 found to be delicious, you are probably one of the 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.040 things that first occurs to you is how can I 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.040 make money off this? How can I progress this? 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.080 Of course? 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.160 Yeah, And like I mean, we all use it for productivity. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.240 Imagine when that started to catch on among all of 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:56.040 the already crazy economic progress quote unquote that was happening. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.920 Oh yeah, yeah, exactly, and so these yeah, of course, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.240 began to be highly sought after, particularly in Europe and 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.720 North America during the sixteen hundreds when colonialism was raging, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.720 of course, and these caffeinated beverages may have come along 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.600 at just the right time. So temperance movements in Europe 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.360 had happened before. They had started and failed, and started 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.240 and failed long before coffee and tea came onto the scene. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.200 And they failed largely because the proponents of these movements 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.720 didn't have an alternative beverage to suggest to replace alcohol. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.560 They were like, you need to stop drinking. And they 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.520 were like, all right, maybe I will, but what should 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:42.960 I drink instead? Drink the poop infused water, Like, no, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.720 it's not good. And so when coffee and tea and 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.240 hot chocolate came onto the scene, alcohol at that time 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:57.280 was consumed at every meal, breakfast, lunch, dinner by every 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.440 person in Europe, whether you're a child or some who's 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.960 working or someone who's elderly. You know, it was ubiquitous. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.000 And you know, in a way alcohol was safer than 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.360 the water because at least killed a lot of the germs. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.760 So when tea and coffee replaced the morning beer or 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.159 the lunchtime poor people saw a noticeable shift in the 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:25.000 productivity and safety of the workplace. I mean, to go fague, like, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.640 I never even thought of it. And there's the fact 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.200 that these beverages were boiled, and so that also reduced 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.320 the chance of getting some sort of water born pathogen 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.040 or parasite. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.359 What a massive cultural shift to go from being drunk 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.760 all day to just drinking caffeine all day. That must 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:46.879 have been huge. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.359 It's huge, It's it's wild. And so these caffeine drinks, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.600 these caffeinated drinks were credited or have been credited, with 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.280 shaping the entire European workforce and leading to a burst 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.800 of creativity, an ingenuity. Eventually that paved the way for 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.000 the industrial revolution. I mean, it's a bit of a 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.280 you know, maybe that's a stretch, but I don't know, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:09.720 it's not a stretch. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:10.560 Let's take it. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.240 Let's just say it made an impact. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:17.640 And then so that is so cool. Isn't that amazing? 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.280 And these beverages were also held to be indirectly responsible 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:28.880 for other kinds of revolutions, namely political ones. So tea houses, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.720 which had been popular in China since the thirteenth century CE, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.960 they started to become popular in Europe and in the 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.280 New World as well, and coffee houses also sprung up 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.960 and were incredibly widespread and popular, Like the amount of 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.600 coffee houses per per capita was like maybe only we 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.879 now have reached it and so. And for instance, in 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.240 England they were given the name Penny universities to describe 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.240 how people and men were only allowed in the coffee 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.720 houses at the time, how men would go to these 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.159 coffee houses to talk about philosophy or politics, or to 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.600 hear music or poetry. So like, in many ways they 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.960 still exist in the same capacity today, which I think 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.280 is really interesting, like the open mic night at the 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:14.920 coffee house. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.680 Yeah, it's like a gathering place, not just yeah. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.680 Not just and so like some of the documentaries that 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.359 I watched was like, you know, would the same political 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.040 discourse be held at a bar and the same actions 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.440 be planned in like a logical way then they would 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.000 be at a coffee house fueled by alcohol versus fueled 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.520 by caffeine. Like when are you going to most get 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.280 the ends that you're planning? I guess, I don't know. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.760 Fascinating interesting to think about. There were still temperance movements, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.480 but this time against coffee primarily and also tea, or 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.840 it was like alternatively coffee and then tea. But yeah, 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.320 so back on the revolution thing. In the British colonies 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.000 of the New World, coffee houses in Boston were essentially 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.080 the headquarters of the American Revolution. The Boston Tea Party 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.080 was planned at a coffee house called the Green Dragon, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.400 and the first public reading of the Declaration of Independence 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.720 was held at another Boston coffee house, the Bunch of Grapes. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.240 Nice, that's funny, kind of a fun name. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.000 And of course tea itself, or rather the import tax 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.720 on tea and the British government allowing the East India 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.040 Company to also tax the import of tea on the colonists. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.200 That was all part of the reason for the American 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.639 Revolution in the first place. And that also kind of 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.760 brings me to the dark side of coffee and tea 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.760 and chocolate. Yeah. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.080 Always, it's always a dark side. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.960 It's always a dark side. So coffee and tea were 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.399 both in incredibly high demand in European countries and in 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.040 the British colonies in the New World, but caffeine addiction 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.320 was an expensive habit to pick up in those early days. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.440 As the cultivation of the plants was pretty restricted. So anytime, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:02.000 for instance, that coffee beans were sent out from Mocha, 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.800 which is where they were primarily grown, they were made 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.360 sure to not able to be germinated or to not 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.320 be able to grow into any viable plants. And it's 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.120 sort of like what we saw with the Sanshona bark 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.200 in the malaria episode and restrictions on that plant being 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.000 grown elsewhere. But eventually, you know, where there's a will, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.520 there's a way, and so people did manage to smuggle 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.399 out some coffee beans and a few tea seeds, and 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.600 so coffee was smuggled from Mocha and planted in the 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.320 Dutch controlled Java around sixteen sixteen. And that was also 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.639 found to be able to grow in many parts of 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:39.560 the New World which had the right humidity and temperature 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:44.400 and so on for the growth. And of course, if 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.760 you want to gather a lot of the coffee beans, 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:49.520 you have to gather them by hand. And what did 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.600 that take was a lot of hands. And so what 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.040 did that lead to but a lot of enslaved people 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.640 being forced to labor under horrific working conditions on all 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.160 these plantations in the New World. And of course, as 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.440 consumption and demand for coffee rows, so did the number 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:11.240 of enslaved people, and the popular habit of adding sugar 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.240 to coffee and tea ensured that the sugar plantations also 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.360 had a reason to exist. 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.000 Right jeez, Louise capital is. 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.040 And while all this was happening, England was racking up 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.919 a hefty debt to China in the tea trade, and 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.280 so they saw an alternative way to save some money 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.879 and to try to limit how much they were giving 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.120 in terms of like bringing the tea over from there. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.880 So they were like, well, why don't we get some 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:42.040 tea seeds and start growing tea plants in our colony 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.160 in India, which was all of India and so Britain 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.840 ruled every India at the time. And so they planted 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.560 tons and tons and tons of tea plants, and they 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.359 hired you know, kind of putting hired in quotes because 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:59.840 like literally paid them almost nothing in backbreaking conditions. And 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:04.160 then at the same time they also grew a bunch 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.800 of opium and then smuggled that into China to then 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.480 addict the whole country and drive them into ruin. 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.240 So I had no idea. 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.600 There's a whole separate story of like the Opium Wars 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.560 and like the East India Company is like it's just 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.320 a massive story there. It's really fascinating. But read more 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:31.719 about it. Well, I don't have the information. But anyway, 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.280 So then tea because of this, because of all of 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.879 the tea that had been able to grow in India, 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.480 that flooded the market back in Britain and it toppled 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.800 coffee as the preferred beverage. 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:44.040 Wow. 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.040 So then and then that also led to like afternoon 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.280 tea and then eventually tea bags and you know all 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:54.560 these different cultures around tea and yeah, so anyway, okay, 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.879 So the eighteen hundred saw the continued popularity of these beverages. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:02.080