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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. A beautiful young girl,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy skyrocketing in not only the workplace, but in

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Speaker 1: her home life, her private life. Proud parents Drew and

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Speaker 1: Joyce watched her as she hit a home run and

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Speaker 1: practically everything she did beautiful, outgoing, smart, the works, until

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Speaker 1: one day, Jennifer doesn't show up at work. What happened

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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Kessey? Are their Killers amongst Us? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: We want to solve the mystery surrounding the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Jennifer with me Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor Orlando's Morning

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Speaker 1: News ninety six point five w d BO renowned psychoanalysts

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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: author Red Flags you can find her at Wendy Patrick

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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. And special guests joining me now Drew

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Speaker 1: and Joyce, Kessie Jennifer's parents listen, her car is missing.

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Speaker 1: Her family says she's missing. She's not meant to work.

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Speaker 1: She drove a black Chevy Malibu. It had been all

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Speaker 1: over TV for two days now. In Florida, we have

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Speaker 1: a number of bodies of water, We have all kinds

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Speaker 1: of different places where cars can break down. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is Millennium all right here. Tips came in. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: think we see it over here. We think we see

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Speaker 1: it over there. Tuesday is when she disappears. When was

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Speaker 1: her car phone? Thursday morning, a neighbor who lived at

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Speaker 1: on the Green apartment complex. It's about a mile or

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's rougher. Come to find out, a lot

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Speaker 1: of crime in the area. So we went out to

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Speaker 1: the apartment complex and found Jennifer's car parked at the complex. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you're hearing our friends at Fox regarding Jennifer's black Malibu.

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Speaker 1: The car reported in an apartment complex about a mile

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Speaker 1: east from Jennifer's condo ninety six point five w D

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Speaker 1: bo Ray, what can you tell me? About the Latian

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Speaker 1: where the car was dubbed Nancy. It was about a

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Speaker 1: mile away from where Jennifer lives, literally on the same road. Now,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer lived in a really nice place that was getting

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Speaker 1: built at the time, but this apartment complex that where

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Speaker 1: this car was left wasn't as nice. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: it was an innocuous place. Now as we moved farther

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Speaker 1: more crime in that area, but it's a general area

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Speaker 1: in too. So there isn't really anything notable about that

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Speaker 1: apartment complex other than I can say it's just not

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Speaker 1: as nice as the one that Jennifer lived in. Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 1: And what do you do when you get that vehicle? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, my hope is that the police would take

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Speaker 1: one having access to this, you know, because it's so important,

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Speaker 1: this evidence that could be contained within the vehicle. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have an expectation that Jennifer would be in the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: so to find trace evidence from her DNA this sort

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Speaker 1: for instance, her boyfriend's DNA. But what you really want

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Speaker 1: to do, Nancy, in this particular case is lock it

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Speaker 1: kind of trace behind. You know, we slough almost one

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Speaker 1: and this leaves behind what's called touch DNA. And now

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Speaker 1: Very little was found in that car that was able

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Speaker 1: Were there any red lights that they have had a

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Speaker 1: You know, Joyce, I know you and Drew have looked

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Speaker 1: Joyce have worked tirelessly to solve the mystery surrounding their

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Speaker 1: daughter's death. Won't you join us the tip line nine

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that Greeny surveillance video, Nancy?

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Speaker 1: But the video it drives me crazy on a daily basis,

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Speaker 1: The fact that taking them so long because the police files,

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Speaker 1: You know when your son's done something wrong, you know

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel that Jennifer is trying to tell

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Speaker 1: you something? Oh? I do, I do I Jennifer. It's

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Speaker 1: the strangest thing, but I feel Jennifer's presence, And whenever

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Speaker 1: And I find that really interesting that it's always my

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel her. I don't. On any given day,

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Speaker 1: I may change my mind, but I am pretty consistent

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Speaker 1: in thinking that Jennifer is out there and she is

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Speaker 1: strongly that Jennifer is dead. I am not stupid, I'm

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Speaker 1: not delusional. I know what the statistics are, but I

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Speaker 1: also know that there are more and more people being

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Speaker 1: for years. So my hope and what keeps me getting

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Speaker 1: the next, is the hope that one day we will

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Speaker 1: be reunited. And what a joyous, joyous moment that would

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Speaker 1: be with me. Drew and Joyce, Kessie, please help us

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Speaker 1: find Jennifer. Nine four one two, zero and one for

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Speaker 1: zero zero nine. The search goes on Nancy Grace killers,

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Speaker 1: amongst us signing off goodbye