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Speaker 4: Lots of topics to get to today, but one topic
Speaker 4: we didn't touch on yesterday.
Speaker 2: Let's get into one. Cooper Rush. No, no, you know
Speaker 2: what Cooper trying to make a sny remark to.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 2: Uh BC is the quarterback guru.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let BC tell us about what he thinks about
Speaker 6: what we should do in the quarterback man.
Speaker 4: He wants cut for be cut for Garrett Gilbert, but
Speaker 4: he did him dirty back then.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so what you got man? You can see
Speaker 7: I'm torn. I'm torn right now because Cooper Rush, He's
Speaker 7: the definition of what a backup should be able to
Speaker 7: do if you need him for one or two games,
Speaker 7: maybe even three, he can get He could rally off
Speaker 7: a two on one record, maybe a three and oh record,
Speaker 7: And that's exactly what the backup quarterback position is supposed
Speaker 7: to do. Coming there, your play is not that far
Speaker 7: off from the starter. You know, you can keep the
Speaker 7: same playbook and you can go out there and be productive.
Speaker 7: So I'm torn between that and do we want to
Speaker 7: see something else? Can we upgrade that position at the
Speaker 7: quarterback backup position?
Speaker 2: And it's just took because I'm like, who else you
Speaker 2: gonna go.
Speaker 7: Out there and grab that has the same capabilities of
Speaker 7: a Cooper Rush to go out there?
Speaker 2: His record is what eight and something through seven and
Speaker 2: three eight three, I'm crazy when he's in there. So
Speaker 2: it's like, man, I'm torn between it.
Speaker 7: But then I also see games where he threw for
Speaker 7: forty five yards where the offense looked, you know, a
Speaker 7: knee nick out there, just didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 7: So I'm torn between it because I don't think you
Speaker 7: can upgrade that significantly from a Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2: But if he's going out there asking for.
Speaker 7: You know, eight million, nine million to be a backup,
Speaker 7: then I think.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta go ahead and move along.
Speaker 7: But if he's asking for that same five, you know,
Speaker 7: then I don't have a problem bringing him back.
Speaker 6: Look, my thing is is that Barry, I can't I
Speaker 6: can't name three five backup quarterbacks right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And that's for a reason.
Speaker 6: It's the reason is is that you pay your number
Speaker 6: one guy the most of your cap, and you expect
Speaker 6: for him to be able to lead you.
Speaker 2: The backup guy is after.
Speaker 6: Thet until you get till your number one gets hurt
Speaker 6: at Boom you walked in there for the Seahawks. But no,
Speaker 6: the what I'm what I'm trying to break down is
Speaker 6: the fact that when you go to your second, your
Speaker 6: second guy, it's only for just a little amount. Give
Speaker 6: me five games, brother, while God gets healthy. In the
Speaker 6: Dallas situation, man, where guy's having to carry you for
Speaker 6: the rest of the season, it can't be good. But
Speaker 6: he's fourteen hundred yards, ten touches, ten touchdowns and three interceptions.
Speaker 2: And so I listen, and so I was listening to
Speaker 2: the interview.
Speaker 6: I was listening to the interview this morning one on
Speaker 6: five three the Fan okay, and Jerry, And Jerry comes
Speaker 6: on and he's talking about he's given trying to give
Speaker 6: praise to Rico Dawdle about the job that Rico is doing,
Speaker 6: but he even gave credit to Cooper Rush for the
Speaker 6: job that he did at the line of scrimmage. And
Speaker 6: I was like, I was trying out like, like you know,
Speaker 6: just trying to correlate how that happens in the football censor.
Speaker 6: He's recognizing something that the line of scrimmag she's making
Speaker 6: calls whatever. So Cooper Rush is good for the running game, Okay,
Speaker 6: all right, But needless to say, in those close games
Speaker 6: when we needed, like to pull the Cincinnati game in
Speaker 6: the red zone, There's so many different things that I
Speaker 6: can point to when I'm looking at him, and I'm
Speaker 6: going to do it. Just seems like like Jameis Winston
Speaker 6: is prone to giving you the ball, Cooper Rush is
Speaker 6: prone to making mistakes in the red zone. And that's
Speaker 6: the thing that I think has me looking around saying, Okay,
Speaker 6: now we might need to find somebody else in this situation,
Speaker 6: because if we have to have him come in for
Speaker 6: five games, Let's say, if those five games are games
Speaker 6: that you need back when Jag was playing those games
Speaker 6: you had to win, you need him just to step
Speaker 6: in for a little while. Do we trust him still
Speaker 6: in that capacity even with the good record that you're
Speaker 6: talking about, right, I'm just look, there's just been some
Speaker 6: question marks to his game that I still say, like,
Speaker 6: come on, man, you late throwing behind like you're just
Speaker 6: throwing into traffic.
Speaker 2: Now at this point, at this point, you got it.
Speaker 6: He has three interceptions, He's probably to have about seven,
Speaker 6: you know, but it hadn't been perfect. It hadn't been
Speaker 6: perfect science with Cooper Rush. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm really on the fence. But if I have to decide,
Speaker 6: I say no, I go, I go to the I
Speaker 6: started looking. I started looking for a backup.
Speaker 4: Red zone turnovers are too much for me, just too much.
Speaker 4: Saw it in Cincinnati, saw it in Carolina. You've been
Speaker 4: in the league too long for too many years to
Speaker 4: have this keep happening. And the first question we really
Speaker 4: have to ask ourselves who's coaching this team next year,
Speaker 4: Because depending on who you have as a coach, they're
Speaker 4: going to determine whether or not they see this guy
Speaker 4: working for them. So that's really the biggest thing right now,
Speaker 4: what offense are you running? Who comes in here? Look,
Speaker 4: he's not a magician. I've always said that it's quarterback,
Speaker 4: not a magician. And the more positive pieces you have
Speaker 4: around it, clearly it's been better for him his career.
Speaker 4: It's Carolina Panthers. Guys, okay, three touchdown, It's the Panthers.
Speaker 4: It's pac Man Jones famously want to say, it's the Rams.
Speaker 2: Dude, don't get carried away. It's the Panthers.
Speaker 4: The week before that, you got close, you couldn't get
Speaker 4: it done. It was a bad Cincinnati defense. Guess what
Speaker 4: happens the next three game? I turn up, not to
Speaker 4: turn up. So he may answer the questions for you
Speaker 4: either way in the next three football games. Because all
Speaker 4: three teams, two teams are in first place and the
Speaker 4: other one is right here chasing the wild card. So
Speaker 4: these are three teams that most likely will be in
Speaker 4: the playoffs, with Philadelphia arguably being the top team in
Speaker 4: the NFC right now.
Speaker 2: So what do.
Speaker 4: You if, and it's an if, if Mike McCarthy comes back,
Speaker 4: would you trust Mike McCarthy and Scott Tolz in the
Speaker 4: backup quarterback and say, hey, man, go make another Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2: Because Cooper Rush is a guy.
Speaker 4: You let go, went to the Giants, came back here,
Speaker 4: you had him cut and they ended up making something
Speaker 4: out of Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2: They really did.
Speaker 4: I give them as a coaching staff a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: Could do it again.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Trey Lance is going to be
Speaker 4: the answer.
Speaker 2: I don't see that. I don't know. You once upon
Speaker 2: a time they see Cooper Rush either. That's true.
Speaker 4: So so so let's see what happens and who else knows?
Speaker 4: Who else is out there? If Cooper Rush plays good
Speaker 4: these last three games, well guess what somebody's gonna knocking
Speaker 4: on his door. And to hear Stevid Jones talk about
Speaker 4: the titans of the persons around here, you may not
Speaker 4: be able to afford him. He could price himself out
Speaker 4: of a job. Ricco'donald could price himself out of a job.
Speaker 4: And then you want to know, let's use that forefront.
Speaker 4: Oh no, and look what I what have we seen
Speaker 4: in the NFL? You can go find some guys out here,
Speaker 4: you can. And this is this is where your coaching
Speaker 4: staff comes into play. That's why I really believe the
Speaker 4: whole thing starts to stem with two things. One who's
Speaker 4: your coaching staff? And two what's the market for Cooper Rush?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's got to be one of the highest
Speaker 7: paid backups, right, you gotta be.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's making that Chase stand anymorey,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if he's finessing.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't. I can't chase. He might be right
Speaker 2: up there. He might be right up there. It might
Speaker 2: be a little bit.
Speaker 4: I mean, dude, you got you got, you got your
Speaker 4: third string quarterback in five million.
Speaker 6: When you say pricing himself out, do you say pricing
Speaker 6: itself out as a backup somewhere else?
Speaker 4: I mean, as as pricing himself out to the Cowboys
Speaker 4: say we don't want to pay that number for our backup. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not like Tyler Bias. Hey, we like you, but
Speaker 4: not at ten million dollars. So these next three games,
Speaker 4: if he plays well these next three games, and somebody
Speaker 4: else says, hey, look, we'll pay that number for that guy,
Speaker 4: and the Cowboys deemon, that's too much. I mean, this
Speaker 4: is what they do. You know very well.
Speaker 2: You sat there myself, right, this this is our right.
Speaker 2: So they would they would hey, hey, young.
Speaker 6: Fellow and you like, brother, what is it?
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's that's the truth. You look at
Speaker 4: Armstrong last year. I mean the bunch of the guys
Speaker 4: that left here last year. I think they wanted but
Speaker 4: they had a number on. Look they what if they
Speaker 4: told you the last couple of years of free agency,
Speaker 4: they don't go out here to north Strom rack. They
Speaker 4: are five and below. They are they are five and below.
Speaker 7: Man, if you ain't one of them top like you said,
Speaker 7: weapons offensive weapon or a guy.
Speaker 2: Like Parsons man.
Speaker 4: Jerry out there shining with a five dollar bill.
Speaker 6: Five and below? Got this for you?
Speaker 2: Got this little puzzle? Bet I need one, You bet
Speaker 2: I need back up?
Speaker 4: You know, you go for your child whose birthday is it?
Speaker 4: You know, because he got fifteen million birthday. But we're
Speaker 4: going to five below.
Speaker 2: Go dollarcept right, he get.
Speaker 4: Go get him, go get him something for five things?
Speaker 2: Yes, put him the bag. That's wow. So heck you
Speaker 2: ain't bringing him back.
Speaker 6: Look, and I told you I was on the fence
Speaker 6: on it. And the reason why is a little bit
Speaker 6: of what you were saying about the coaching moves. If
Speaker 6: you if you bring in another coaching staff is going
Speaker 6: to be a whole nother operation anyway offensively, and he's
Speaker 6: going to be looking for Cooper Rush to be making
Speaker 6: different reads and learning entirely new playbook altogether. If it's
Speaker 6: still Mike, Mike is going to be comfortable with Cooper
Speaker 6: Rush and who he is as a player and maybe
Speaker 6: bring in some other guys to compete with him. But
Speaker 6: at the same time, he has it, he has all
Speaker 6: the jargon, he has all the all the plays at
Speaker 6: his disposal. To me, I think when I look at
Speaker 6: Dak and Dak's injury, and we've been here before where
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush was Andy Dalton then. But you know, we've
Speaker 6: been in situations where Cooper Rush has come in and
Speaker 6: we han't had any we haven't had any plaints about
Speaker 6: him because the simple size we had was a lot smaller.
Speaker 6: Now you're like the red zone in the red zone
Speaker 6: stuff is what's troubling me. You can't you can't. You
Speaker 6: can't have those kinds of problems now. And that's a
Speaker 6: blaring deficiency when you continue to do that over and
Speaker 6: over again. But look, you look around the NFL. I
Speaker 6: think it was two years ago when Cincinnati had a
Speaker 6: quarterback go down, have their quarterback go down, a guy
Speaker 6: comes in, he wins, you know, he comes in and wins.
Speaker 6: And so it's not an exact science when it comes
Speaker 6: down to who you're gonna have as the backup quarterback.
Speaker 2: But I damn suould rather be.
Speaker 6: Paying a guy that I know than a commodity that
Speaker 6: I have no proof on what this guy can do.
Speaker 6: And if they're gonna go to the draft and maybe
Speaker 6: get that and you know, six seventh round and bring
Speaker 6: a guy in, I'm alright with that.
Speaker 2: That's the guy that's gonna compete with Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: Then look at this year's playoff backup quarterback who just
Speaker 4: signed and everybody like, okay, fine, he's he signed there,
Speaker 4: Sam Donald, and so he's got Minnesota. Now they're in
Speaker 4: the playoff, made the playoffs. But then look at the
Speaker 4: year before, you know, when he was out there San
Speaker 4: Francisco and beat out Trey Lance for the you know,
Speaker 4: four jobs.
Speaker 6: So you watched the game last night, right, I didn't. Okay, yep,
Speaker 6: But Sam Donald, to you, what, how do you feel
Speaker 6: about Sam Donald as a quarterback?
Speaker 7: Just a he's a flash player to me, Like, I
Speaker 7: feel like the consistency is just.
Speaker 2: Not damn something's missing something.
Speaker 7: But he's also had terrible coaching. I mean he was
Speaker 7: terrible coaching with the Jets. He was down there, was
Speaker 7: he down there in Carolina for a little bit with
Speaker 7: the San Francisco under Shanahan, got a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Than now he's with O'Connell.
Speaker 7: And I mean he is balling this season twenty eight,
Speaker 7: ten or thirty twos, whatever the case may be. He
Speaker 7: got him eleven and two, twelve and two now, so
Speaker 7: he is balling. So maybe it was a little bit
Speaker 7: on that coaching staff for those those first two spots,
Speaker 7: but I just need a little bit more in order
Speaker 7: to be like yo, Sam Donald Man, Sam Donald's garbage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're trying to be politically correct.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 4: Who's look good with the Jets. I mean, Carolina had
Speaker 4: Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield. Both these dudes go make
Speaker 4: the playoffs this year and they still spind it around.
Speaker 4: I mean, Carolina, you you spend all that money on
Speaker 4: Brince youwn they benched him this year. I mean going
Speaker 4: through coaches, that's right. So I mean between Carolina and Yes,
Speaker 4: this is not exactly two great ownership groups going on
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: My thing with Sam is he an elite guy. Are
Speaker 4: you ready to sit up here and pay usdue a
Speaker 4: whole bunch of money. No, But the coach just goes
Speaker 4: back to the coach. The coach I can win with
Speaker 4: this guy. He can run my program, he can get
Speaker 4: what I need done. Jacoby Brissett has made a great living.
Speaker 2: Out of being in.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know what you want to do. We now
Speaker 4: go go mess it up and and do that. I mean,
Speaker 4: but what's the cost? And that's that's the thing about
Speaker 4: this with Cooper Rush says, hey, if this guy plays
Speaker 4: well for three games, maybe somebody says, hey, man, I'll
Speaker 4: be all right. Andy Reeves got Carson Wentz he could
Speaker 4: potentially play, and a guy i'd want.
Speaker 5: But but if it's.
Speaker 4: One dude who says, I'll plug this guy in here,
Speaker 4: see what he can do two games and see who
Speaker 4: have some success? Andy we I mean, dude, he spun
Speaker 4: Jay Fidler and Jay Fiddler into a second round pick.
Speaker 4: So you know that's why I say, who's your coaching
Speaker 4: sab What is it this guy wants from the quarterback?
Speaker 4: And what is the cost? Because the Cowboys now are
Speaker 4: telling you we're looking at cost when it comes to
Speaker 4: players because they are going to pay Michael Parsons.
Speaker 6: I just when we're talking about him, I was watching
Speaker 6: him last night and I'm like, man, dude's missing on
Speaker 6: throws out here.
Speaker 2: You know, he's missing on throws.
Speaker 6: And whatever he did is Sam Donald, whatever he did
Speaker 6: in San Francisco, whatever Shanahan did to him, plugged him,
Speaker 6: reset his control, whatever he did to him, he's a
Speaker 6: different guy than when he was when he was with
Speaker 6: the Jets. So when he was with Carolina, all right,
Speaker 6: But in the same breath, there are parts of his
Speaker 6: game that you could still see.
Speaker 4: Ah, he's not elite, So so you're gonna have that
Speaker 4: because he's not elite.
Speaker 2: But then I come back into this.
Speaker 4: You're Minnesota. You said, no more, Kirk, We're not paying
Speaker 4: that anymore. We're not gonna pay you all this cash.
Speaker 4: Just sit around here and just get us to the
Speaker 4: same old places. And Kirk Cousins was brought in because
Speaker 4: remember they had case Keenan. They went to the NFC
Speaker 4: Championship game and they ended up getting beat and so
Speaker 4: all right, we need to upgrade, they said, brought Kirk in.
Speaker 4: They never they never went anywhere. So you got Sam.
Speaker 4: They used the first round pick on J. J.
Speaker 2: McCarthy.
Speaker 4: We forget about that Kendon one National Championship mission got hurt.
Speaker 4: So Sam Donald's in here now. I look at the
Speaker 4: cost that Atlanta paid fifty million for Kirk Cousins, what
Speaker 4: they're paying Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: Take that. I mean that's a drop off.
Speaker 4: I mean the return on investment for for Minnesota is
Speaker 4: outstanding right now with what they're getting out of this.
Speaker 6: So but how do they feel a team like that,
Speaker 6: even with the record that they have going into the
Speaker 6: playoffs with their quarterback.
Speaker 4: You didn't expect them to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: This year my opinion. No.
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, if I look at that division, because
Speaker 4: you're usually at most you're usually thinking two teams will
Speaker 4: come out of a division Detroit, that's what I I
Speaker 4: didn't think Minnesota was going there. And then when they
Speaker 4: took a rookie quarterback, ain't gonna do nothing. Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 4: by secretly, Kevin O'Connell I here coach balling as ahead
Speaker 4: coach balling. So to me, I look at what they've done,
Speaker 4: I say, man, this is good. This is good coaching.
Speaker 4: It's also good management. GM up there, I'll not say
Speaker 4: his name, brother man, doing a good job, doing a
Speaker 4: real good job. They didn't have to spend a lot
Speaker 4: of money getting a whole lot of the quarterback. After
Speaker 4: the year, they get to decide what they wanted today. Man,
Speaker 4: we're gonna throw you a little scratch here, or we're
Speaker 4: gonna go with because I like what they're doing. But
Speaker 4: ultimately we spring it back here to Cooper Rush. Can
Speaker 4: you make another Cooper Rush?
Speaker 7: I don't know, because he was his play when he
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Speaker 2: Title on the line. Three straight?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we had at the month, say we had a
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Speaker 2: How'd you do?
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Speaker 4: One time I was on my anniversary and other time
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Speaker 4: So Tampa Bay comes in here, Baker Mayfield was playing
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Speaker 4: We talk about coaching jobs. Todd Bowles has done it.
Speaker 4: Darn good coaching jobs. About a guy that kept they
Speaker 4: kept trying to fire even after the first year he
Speaker 4: got there when he replaced Bruce Arians. Todd is a
Speaker 4: dang good coach.
Speaker 2: Was a head.
Speaker 4: I mean he was an assistant coach here with Bill
Speaker 4: Parcells coached the Jets lost his job there. That's another one.
Speaker 4: And talk about bad organizations there. We see it was
Speaker 4: it was him and uh there was an old podcast
Speaker 4: called Hustle and Hustle and Flow with Jim Trotter and
Speaker 4: Steve Weisch and they had bowls on their bulls. Talked
Speaker 4: about the time he coached black college football and he
Speaker 4: just said it was just so much he had to
Speaker 4: learn and then just things they had to do. He
Speaker 4: said he had to, uh had to be a security
Speaker 4: guard one time on campus for juvenile concert.
Speaker 2: Wait he was the head coach. No, he was a
Speaker 2: coach black college football.
Speaker 4: He was breaking into coaching that man had He's talking
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Speaker 4: you know, supervised part just just a part of working
Speaker 4: there at the university.
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Speaker 4: just you know, breaking into coaching and what you have
Speaker 4: to do as a coach. Manoth Bose Bose both are
Speaker 4: real woman. But he's coming in with a good team
Speaker 4: and a good offensive line. Skip Pete is the running
Speaker 4: back coach for Tampa Bay. Skip Pete got let go here,
Speaker 4: Skip Peek, Well they got three good backs back there
Speaker 4: and what he so Bucky Irving while he's playing well,
Speaker 4: Skip does not Skip believes in the same thing with
Speaker 4: Tony Pollack. Do not over use the guy Bucky Irving
Speaker 4: as well when you put them apart of the rotation.
Speaker 4: So they're gonna try and come in here, run the
Speaker 4: football a lot, Baker Mayfield to play action pass and
Speaker 4: get to get the ball out there to Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: So Tampa Bay full point favorite.
Speaker 7: By the way, which is rightfully so, I mean, we've
Speaker 7: seen this team defensively when they go against and I'm
Speaker 7: not saying Baker's elite, but he's a good quarterback when
Speaker 7: they go against Yeah, he's a good quarter He's a
Speaker 7: damn good quarterback. When they go against those type of guys,
Speaker 7: they got struggle. I mean, you look at what you
Speaker 7: know Burrow, and Burrow's excellent what he was able to
Speaker 7: do in here, and you knew the one guy he
Speaker 7: was going to throw to it and they still couldn't
Speaker 7: stop still couldn't stop it. So you're coming in here.
Speaker 7: They're not quite Burrow in Chase. But when you look
Speaker 7: at Baker and Evans on the outside, they present some problems,
Speaker 7: you know, So especially with that run game as well.
Speaker 7: You know, Burrow really didn't have much of a run game,
Speaker 7: he was still able to do what he did to
Speaker 7: this Dallas Cowboys defense.
Speaker 2: So to me, I mean, this is this is It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough matchup. You know how I feel.
Speaker 7: It's all about matchups, and when you look at the
Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys defense, I just don't see.
Speaker 2: The matching up well against what Tampa Bay does best.
Speaker 2: It's a good team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a problem's and I said yesterday, man, they
Speaker 6: not a Cowboy. I don't have no other boys, but
Speaker 6: I admire other teams. Tampa Bay is one of those teams.
Speaker 6: Tod bows is one of those coaches that really like,
Speaker 6: always have like Todd Bowles, and I think what he
Speaker 6: does defensively, he works everything from from front end to
Speaker 6: back end right. He always has a defensive line. He
Speaker 6: has a scheme that works, and it seems like it's
Speaker 6: easy enough for guys to understand it, and they play
Speaker 6: it fast and they play downhill and I just love
Speaker 6: that style of defense, physical downhill. We're gonna we do it.
Speaker 6: We do it together, right. But they got a guy
Speaker 6: in the middle in Vida Bay. That to me when
Speaker 6: you turn the tape on and you watch this guy,
Speaker 6: it's like, why can't you why can't you block fifty?
Speaker 6: And guys like Devonte David that you thought they were
Speaker 6: going to be out of the NFL still.
Speaker 2: At a high level, playing getting at a high level.
Speaker 2: And look I was.
Speaker 6: I've got into so many arguments about make Baker Mayfield
Speaker 6: over the years, and guys comparing dak in the Baker.
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, it's not even the same stratosphere when
Speaker 6: we talk about quarterbacks. But I will say this, Baker
Speaker 6: Mayfield has transitioned his career and has turned it around
Speaker 6: in a way and down in Tampa where you say, man,
Speaker 6: this is this is how you meet adversity head on
Speaker 6: and come out on the other end.
Speaker 2: Because people wrote him off. They wrote him off.
Speaker 6: But the way that he's playing with Mike Evans, and
Speaker 6: don't don't get me wrong, he walked into a situation
Speaker 6: where there was already a team there, so it wasn't
Speaker 6: like there was it was bare bones dry. But the
Speaker 6: way that these guys are playing together, the way Sterling
Speaker 6: Shepherd is Sterling Shepherd used to play for the New
Speaker 6: York Giants, is having a resurgence of his career also
Speaker 6: in Tampa. So look, they do a lot of the
Speaker 6: things that the Dallas Cowboys have been hard pressed to
Speaker 6: try and beat on game days, and that's stopping the run.
Speaker 6: They are gonna give them a full taste of their
Speaker 6: running game. And that's what we're gonna see if these
Speaker 6: guys have learned anything. Masi over the last couple of
Speaker 6: weeks has not been talked about in the same breath.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 6: You're not You don't have the videotape of him getting
Speaker 6: you know, the club, no white kids, thank you. You
Speaker 6: don't have that tape out there. And people are starting
Speaker 6: to say.
Speaker 2: Ah, height what mos on turned around a little bit.
Speaker 6: Guys like like DC is starting to say, oh so
Speaker 6: is pricing himself out. Let's see then here we go,
Speaker 6: then we go see the realness.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Todd Bowles is on the NFL radio yesterday and on
Speaker 4: Moving the Chains, and he spoke about Baker Mayvery and say, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: remember he was the number one pick in the draft, Like,
Speaker 4: this is a guy who can't throw the football, he
Speaker 4: can't spin it. I go back to what you were
Speaker 4: talking about, and let's let's look at who he played
Speaker 4: for he started off with Cleveland, breath get that organization.
Speaker 4: Still can't still still can't get the quarterback right. Then
Speaker 4: he went to Carolina, still trying to figure out the
Speaker 4: quarterback situation. Spend a minute out there with the Rams.
Speaker 4: But you know that was because Stafford got hurt. And
Speaker 4: so then he moved over here to Tampa Bay. And
Speaker 4: you're in a good atmosphere. You know, got weapons right
Speaker 4: he's he seemed to thrive. So organizations do matter. By
Speaker 4: the way, when I looked at the sheet of integrity,
Speaker 4: you had Tampa Bay winning the division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you had Atlanta. They still got a chance.
Speaker 2: They don't.
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Speaker 2: Tampa. They're right back in it. And they already beat Tampa.
Speaker 2: So you know what I mean. I remember the game
Speaker 2: Pampa Gate out of the way by the way, up
Speaker 2: they did.
Speaker 4: I was with you, hada ba Yeah, got a three
Speaker 4: days left. Michael Parsons Jerry Jones spoke about him on
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Speaker 4: speaking about U a possibility trading like a Parsons. Let's
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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones does his radio show eight thirty every morning
Speaker 4: on one O five three The Fan with Sean and
Speaker 4: Bobby's who he talked to this morning, and he was
Speaker 4: asked about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: Well, it was asked about.
Speaker 4: Stephen Jones talking about you know, the money, and then
Speaker 4: went into Michael Parsons and Jerry's like, hey, look, nobody
Speaker 4: in this organization ever spoken about moving on from Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: NFL Network had to report there, and so I just.
Speaker 2: Wanted to go around the table.
Speaker 4: Thought about that from Jerry had to say about Michaeh.
Speaker 6: Man, I wish, I wish Jerry say, y'all want to
Speaker 6: be starting something. I want to be starting something so bad.
Speaker 6: But his words were basically, Man, nobody in the organization
Speaker 6: is said that. I mean, it's it's wherever it's coming from,
Speaker 6: whatever it's talking aver, whatever the rumors are coming from,
Speaker 6: whatever people talking about. I said yesterday is dumb sports talk.
Speaker 6: He asked me, you have a player with the numbers
Speaker 6: that Michael has had, and this is why you draft
Speaker 6: the guy and see him turn into a potential future
Speaker 6: Hall of Famer. Look, we're gonna we're gonna have these
Speaker 6: conversations all off season about the cap. I don't know
Speaker 6: how you make it up. I don't know who has
Speaker 6: to take a haircut in order to get it done,
Speaker 6: but somebody is. Because you gotta sign Michaeh. That's period
Speaker 6: doctor in. You gotta sign Micah. And it's all about
Speaker 6: who's gonna play with Michael. But I mean it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Even when things are down, you're still having rumors circulating
Speaker 6: about whether you resign Micah or not or trade rumors.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's nuts to me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, play Devil's Advocate a little but I'm with you
Speaker 7: one hundred percent with both of y'all.
Speaker 2: Nobody's trading.
Speaker 7: I went personally, I think he's a cornerstone piece that's
Speaker 7: got to stay here. But is there a number or
Speaker 7: something that you guys would be like, all right, man,
Speaker 7: like I gotta let him slide, like like a herschel
Speaker 7: Walker type deal from back in the day where you
Speaker 7: can get a boat hole or boatload of these picks
Speaker 7: and turn into what the Dallas Cowboys were able to
Speaker 7: turn that herschel Walker thing into. Would that even spike
Speaker 7: any interest? Or is it just like my great Like
Speaker 7: I said before, I'm with y'all on this. I'm just
Speaker 7: playing double the advocate a little bit, Okay.
Speaker 4: Herschel Walker trade was.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you hadn't seen another one of those since.
Speaker 2: No, you have not a reason? Why ain't nobody go
Speaker 2: sit your dynasty?
Speaker 12: Yup?
Speaker 3: No more?
Speaker 4: Understand it was herschel and then it was like Isaac
Speaker 4: Holt couple another linebacker Isael Re. I mean, so it
Speaker 4: was like a three man trade so it was like, yes,
Speaker 4: it was like like you got back like three dudes,
Speaker 4: and it was a whole bunch of picks. And if
Speaker 4: the Cowboys cut these certain players, well this four turned
Speaker 4: into a two.
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody is signing up for that again.
Speaker 4: Okay, like they didn't realize, oh, We're about to give
Speaker 4: up a whole lot of picks. And these players we
Speaker 4: got Jimmy by the trash Man, he roasted them. Okay,
Speaker 4: ain't nobody sign up for nothing like that again? That's true,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's I mean, it's true. It's truly
Speaker 4: one of the great heights of the hey man, don't
Speaker 4: do that again. And the Minnesota was in this realm
Speaker 4: of we are one player away, so we'll give.
Speaker 2: It all up.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's gonna do that again. And let's
Speaker 4: go back to something I kind of spoke about before.
Speaker 4: When's the last time you saw Jerry Jones get rid
Speaker 4: of an impact player that.
Speaker 2: I'm rich on that I've never seen it, never seen it.
Speaker 4: Michael Parson is a blue ship player. When you step
Speaker 4: into the draft, okay, everybody says, well, first you need
Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback, right, So if you try to build
Speaker 4: a team, your franchise quarterback, he left tackle, a pass rush,
Speaker 4: these these are these are the three items that you
Speaker 4: look for. Right there, you you have and Jerry's mind.
Speaker 4: He has the quarterback, he has a pass rusher. Why
Speaker 4: is he gonna let the quarterback go? Hein't not about
Speaker 4: to let the pass rusher go. When Jerry won his
Speaker 4: first Super Bowl, was the last piece that he acquired,
Speaker 4: Charles Haley, the past rusher. He had, the quarterback, had
Speaker 4: left tackle, when I got the pass rusher. Yeah, many
Speaker 4: times I think fans want to get into what they want.
Speaker 2: What I've learned through the years is.
Speaker 4: And it's not always good, but get into the mind
Speaker 4: of what the owner wants and kind of what he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a problem.
Speaker 6: I have a I guess my biggest problem is even
Speaker 6: as as a fan, why would you why would that
Speaker 6: even be a conversation?
Speaker 13: What?
Speaker 2: What? What about him? And what has he done? Like
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 6: And for me, I think what you're talking about is,
Speaker 6: you know the picks that could come with it, And
Speaker 6: that's like a big question mark, like what's behind that door?
Speaker 6: I have no idea what's behind it? But behind this
Speaker 6: door I know exactly what I'm getting with the missile.
Speaker 6: I come on out.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. We've turned.
Speaker 6: We went into the draft, got some ones that I
Speaker 6: don't think we've been impressed with, and I don't want
Speaker 6: to name no names, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But that's always He's always going to be there, dude.
Speaker 4: I remember when there were people who wanted you trade
Speaker 4: Troyan and want to keep Steve Walks.
Speaker 2: Remember it? Remember it? That's weird, that's weird to me.
Speaker 4: This this this is football. You know, this is football.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, there were people I remember boarding not man,
Speaker 4: we get rid of Joe, We.
Speaker 2: Got Steve, Yeah, get rid of Joe. He can't win.
Speaker 4: So I mean this, this, this is this is all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 2: You got to get the money off of my back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I really, I said, you people are
Speaker 4: on you want to get rid of Joe Montana, Joe
Speaker 4: Montan so so so heckma, yes, still be fans like
Speaker 4: that all the time. We can get rid of I
Speaker 4: had somebody on my solf we just picked.
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 4: What picture you getting? I mean that are the picture
Speaker 4: going to be to go? I mean, just is is
Speaker 4: there a right now? I have looked at the draft.
Speaker 4: Is there another Michael Parsons in this draft?
Speaker 2: I haven't. Yeah, I couldn't answer that one. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen him.
Speaker 4: I mean, so that's their thing. So if you wanted
Speaker 4: to trade Michael, what are you doing? It's not like
Speaker 4: anybody's Cleveland's not going to give you Myles Garrett back Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: Where is my equivalent out here somebody who's playing at
Speaker 4: this level? No, okay, that that's thing, you know, all right?
Speaker 4: So nick Bosa, they're not giving you nick Bosa. Plus
Speaker 4: he's got injuries, So what what deal are you making
Speaker 4: out here? Is telling me, yeah, we got better? Nobody's
Speaker 4: doing that, that's true.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a weird perception change with with Michael.
Speaker 6: And it's crazy because of the podcast that I think
Speaker 6: some of his perception has changed. As a playoff've always
Speaker 6: said he's the one player that you don't see getting
Speaker 6: into things off the field, that people view what he
Speaker 6: does from a media standpoint as a deterrent to the team.
Speaker 6: Like you being a guy that's played you voice your question,
Speaker 6: had questions about what it's like being in the locker
Speaker 6: room with a guy that can give the inside the
Speaker 6: locker room secrets on his podcast when he goes on.
Speaker 6: But I'm sorry that's fashionable on a podcasts right now,
Speaker 6: there ain't no secrets in the locker room no more.
Speaker 2: They tell it all the locker room secrets.
Speaker 6: But I can look at this guy and even guys
Speaker 6: like Travis Hunter, he was in college right now. All
Speaker 6: dude does is play video games and he's on his podcast,
Speaker 6: you know, most of the time.
Speaker 2: But people have a problem with that.
Speaker 6: I'd rather have a player of his caliber that that's
Speaker 6: his fix that some of the other three hundred thousand
Speaker 6: things that we've seen cowboy players do around here.
Speaker 4: So it's some internal things that people talk about. That absolutely,
Speaker 4: that's when you talk about what has led the speculation.
Speaker 2: It's some internal thing. Do you think he can mature
Speaker 2: through whatever those speculations are? Sure? Yeah? And have you
Speaker 2: seen players mature through those things? Yes.
Speaker 4: I will give you an example of a guy that
Speaker 4: you know very well, Des Bryant, and the relationship he
Speaker 4: had with Ray Sherman, the receivers, and then when they
Speaker 4: rang when Garrett range ray Sherman off the mother dude
Speaker 4: who came in there. By the end, it was your boy.
Speaker 2: Derrick DOOLEYO Young Dooley, not the Dooley truck.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you need an assistant coach who can talk to
Speaker 4: the player. George Entwards had a good relationship with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: George Edwards is gone, so I do believe along the way,
Speaker 4: you know, a good assistant coach can really make a
Speaker 4: big Troy Aickman had North Turner be its presenter. David
Speaker 4: Schuley was the original offensive coordinator for me. It was
Speaker 4: north Turner who came in here towards turned my career around.
Speaker 4: So you know, a good assistant coach who can really
Speaker 4: relate with players and get them on there.
Speaker 2: It helps.
Speaker 4: So to answer your questionnaire. That sometimes becomes a thing
Speaker 4: of who can relate to the player or do they
Speaker 4: hire someone who is a part of the organization that
Speaker 4: can really like, hey, hey, let me talk to you.
Speaker 2: I think that matters when I look at the Mavericks.
Speaker 4: Hiring Jason Kidd over Rick Carlisle was a different dynamic
Speaker 4: for Luka Dancic because Jason consider up here.
Speaker 2: Even though Rick played in the league and a.
Speaker 4: Championship kid, Jason, I know what you're going through, and
Speaker 4: that mattered to because Luke at him like like, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't like Rick, but Rick can coach. Yes,
Speaker 4: I'm saying so for real thing. I mean what he's
Speaker 4: doing Indiana, I mean, Rick can coach is real. But
Speaker 4: Luca didn't like him, and it was to the point
Speaker 4: where Rick was smarter than that. I'm gona go ahead
Speaker 4: and hit this exit before before this young fella gets
Speaker 4: me going. But Kid, come in. He made a big
Speaker 4: what's happened with Kyrie Irving? Nobody gets Jason Kid enough
Speaker 4: credit for because that's the one dude that Kyrie Kyrie
Speaker 4: treat him like he treats We don't need a coach, right,
Speaker 4: never talk about like like so it matters. So that's
Speaker 4: kind of my point there. All right, we got to
Speaker 4: get out of here. But Jerry Jones on one O
Speaker 4: five three of the Fan was asked about eating raccoon
Speaker 4: and he said, oh yeah, no way, it's a delicacy
Speaker 4: and then talked about his real real and talking about
Speaker 4: his mom had made it made squirrel and he had
Speaker 4: a real affinity for eating squirrel and that you know,
Speaker 4: eating the squirrel brain was uh, it was delicious and
Speaker 4: it was a fight for it at his table and
Speaker 4: he didn't fight for his sister and his mom. They
Speaker 4: enjoyed that. So he's from Arkansas.
Speaker 2: My folks are.
Speaker 4: From Birmingham, Alabama, and my dad talks to me about
Speaker 4: many of the times of what they ate, Like they
Speaker 4: were poor.
Speaker 2: When you poor, that's what you squirrel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when I was a kid and they
Speaker 4: would throw out the pig ears and pig field. I
Speaker 4: look at it like no, but over there they grew
Speaker 4: up eating that. So when you were poor, Jerry grew up.
Speaker 4: Jerry grew up poor. You know they, or I should say,
Speaker 4: he didn't grow up rich. He didn't grow up like
Speaker 4: you didn't know you.
Speaker 2: Ate stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You went out there, you stuff like that that today
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 4: You go down to New Orleans. You got a new
Speaker 4: one man. You go to New one Man, they serving
Speaker 4: some stuff. I remember the time man had we ate
Speaker 4: some frog legs out there one Super Bowl and then
Speaker 4: I was at this place, uh called Butcher, and we
Speaker 4: ended up seeing Scott Shanley over there. No Scott, but anyway,
Speaker 4: they're like, we have some jaw, yeah, jall.
Speaker 2: Like what's that?
Speaker 4: It's like the jaw, the jaw of the pig like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna eat.
Speaker 2: Some of that pigs right now. It was like bacon,
Speaker 2: like bacon. It was like I was eating baking right.
Speaker 2: We're good. I'm gonna tell you man.
Speaker 4: The guy's like, no, he's eat if you don't like it,
Speaker 4: he said, if you don't like you like bacon, yeay.
Speaker 2: If you don't like this, I'll get you something all right.
Speaker 2: You know it was so good. I got one to go.
Speaker 4: I got one to go, put in the fridge and
Speaker 4: had later on.
Speaker 2: That night with some cool Now you're good with Carmelone.
Speaker 4: Carl Malone loves squirrel He'll talk about he said, man,
Speaker 4: squirrel stew, squirrels. He was like the forest gun do
Speaker 4: you started name and all the things you.
Speaker 2: Eat with squirrel?
Speaker 4: Squirrel stew uh squirrel du It was hilarious, man, Carl.
Speaker 4: When when I worked in l A, Carmelon had a show,
Speaker 4: he talked about how much he enjoyed eating squirrels. So
Speaker 4: Jerry talking about et scrowges reminded me of Carmelone. What
Speaker 4: is carmelo with Jerry? Carl from Louisiana, Jerry for Arkansas, Dude,
Speaker 4: when you don't grow up with a whole lot of money.
Speaker 2: Many that's anxiety today right out back. And guy I
Speaker 2: grew up, poor no Cliff with the Williams Chicken. I
Speaker 2: don't know if was near. I don't know either.
Speaker 5: Some chicken is out. It was somewhere to go. Boys,
Speaker 5: What you're talking about? Squirrels? The hamburger Man something like
Speaker 5: they want survivors. That is going on, squirrel brain, Yo,
Speaker 5: season it with some lowries.
Speaker 2: Ya crazy? Is that? No way? City? Boys? Down one
Speaker 2: meat church on Holy Bod Halloween. That tastes good. Some
Speaker 2: eggs with your squirrel brains. Mix it up, Holy Boodle season.
Speaker 2: It tastes good. Man Church. We scrugged roud.
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