WEBVTT - Goliath w/ Amy Landecker 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.279 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.080 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:07.920 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:09.200 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:28.840 These are our stories, done done Yay. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.040 Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. My 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.960 name is Lisa, Welcome, my name is Kara, and very 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.560 exciting news. We are coming to you very not live, 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.040 but from the exactly right studios for the first time. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.519 First time in the studios. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.000 We're here, we're face to face, we're recording in the 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.959 same room, which you guys know we don't really do. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.199 So this is exciting. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.040 No, I wonder, I wonder what will happen. I know 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:56.840 we're going to explode. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.440 You're in LA. How's it been going. Well? 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.960 Remember that podcast guy that I talk about the porn podcast. Yeah, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.160 he was at the comedy store ooh, And I walk 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:09.960 out on the main room and he's there with all 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.520 his friends and he basically jumps up and goes. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.440 You're my favorite comedian, and oh my god. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.120 And then outside I was like, yeah, I'm obsessed with 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.720 the stuff you do, and he goes, I can't be 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:20.720 my favorite comedian. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.160 Listens to my podcast, and I was like, this is crazy. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.600 But then I just I follow him so intensely usually, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.680 but Brian Callin's on his podcast, so I was like, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.200 I guess the bar's not too I for his favorite comedian, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.039 and you'll probably be on it, right, Yeah, well yeah, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:34.640 I'll be on it. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.240 That's not the thing. I just don't like that he 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.200 had a rapist on it. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.960 But we didn't know that. Sorry, I guess I didn't 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.080 know that. Oh yeah about him? 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.200 Yeah, he's in the Delia the crew. Yeah, I think 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.040 he broke down in tears being like my friend. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.200 Oh god, but so so me. Yeah, maybe of a 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.400 male comedian. It was so fun and we like chatted 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.560 for a really long time. That's awesome. Wait is that 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.080 say the name of the podcast pillow Talk pillow Talk? 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:04.760 Is that where him and his girlfriend have sex with 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.600 people afterwards? Or is that a different one? No, that's 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.200 a different one. It's a different one that's called I 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.200 don't remember what it's called, but it's Lena the Plug 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.320 in Adam twenty two. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.239 Right, right, right? How could I forget Lenna the Plug? 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.040 What a name? 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.720 So it's different, but they are they are rich, they're 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.239 all rich. How my brother was in town. My little 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.600 niece and nephew were in town. I watched four kids. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.000 I took four kids to get ice cream by myself, like, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.280 and my body hurt the next day from pushing like 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.680 one hundred and twenty pounds in a stroller. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.120 They're all in one stroller, three of. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.160 Them are, and then Rosie was on a bike. Jeez, yeah, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.960 I didn't even know there's right, I guess there's the. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.280 Basket in the bottom, and one of them just sits there, okay, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:43.919 in the bottom, and then one of them sit stands 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.320 on a kickplate, and then one of them goes in 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:46.000 the top seat. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.480 It's wild. Do they fight over which position they're going 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.000 to be in? NonStop? Does everyone want to be in 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.160 the basket? No, they all switch what they want to do. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.680 I want the kickblade, I want to be in the 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.960 seat up top like the It's a war every time, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.000 every time. But I took them to some sweet ice cream, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:00.920 and then they got to go on like a spooky 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.280 walk through the neighborhood because it got dark. But you know, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.000 my niece and my nephew are like a little bit 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.080 more scared than my kids. My kids are into Beetlejuice 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.240 and Nightmare before Christmas. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.680 So they were there, were there are. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.000 In my neighborhood, multiple twenty foot Jack Jack Skellington's that talk. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.800 And so my niece was like, and I was like, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:18.320 it's not real. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.240 It doesn't have a brain or heartbeat, like, and I 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.639 was really trying to like get out to chill. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.839 But we had a great time. And then I took 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.880 them to there was a big street. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.720 Fair in your old neighborhood, my neighborhood, and took them 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.040 to that, and yeah, just been getting ready for tour. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.040 You know, well, when this comes out, we'll be already 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.040 on the road. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.240 We'll be halfway through. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.840 So I guess, wait, let me just look when this 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.480 baby comes out, it's uh, you can still check us 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.200 out tonight in San Francisco and tomorrow in Portland. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:51.880 Come see us guys. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.880 So yeah, just been pumping that, pumping out the SVU 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.560 material out. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:57.000 That's it. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.680 I haven't done like anything fun or interesting. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:00.320 I hate to say. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.800 I was with a friend and he was saying, like 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.120 the types of girls that you would bring to horror 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.520 nights I guess at Universality. Yeah, he was like, you know, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.840 they're dangerous. He goes the white girls. They that love Halloween. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.320 They have Jack Skellington, little tattoos, and then he goes 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.440 and then it's the Mexican girls who love it. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.360 It's full black and. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.240 Grace Leaves of Frankenstein and like just really classic. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.120 And he was just like talking. He's like, I don't 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.560 even take girls there anymore. I can't trust Halloween girls. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.800 He's like, if you watch horror movies all year round, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.800 I can't be with you. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:31.480 Yeah. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.120 So I guess he's been scarred by a lot of 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.960 horror girls with tattoos that demand horror night. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:37.680 Says dates. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.440 Yeah, and it's expensive too. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.000 That's an expensive date, and I hope it's deep into 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.760 the relationship because it's a lot of waiting around. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.240 I've gone to horror nights twice. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.200 It would have to be also like a date where 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.640 you really want to spend a lot of time talking 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.680 because you're just waiting in long ass lines the whole 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.520 time unless you spring for the fast pass, and that's 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:57.040 more money. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:58.120 It's an expensive date. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.560 Yeah, but that's what that's. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:04:59.880 Yeah. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.280 I always good people onlines canoodling. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.480 Yeah, yeah, and then like I'm scared, I don't know 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.800 if somebody. When I went, Jared was more scared than 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.200 I was, and he's like the horror guy. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.320 But I've never been to Horror Nights or like a 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:14.680 theme partner during Halloween. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:15.600 I've never done that. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.040 Horror Nights is fun, but it's freaky, like there's people 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.680 walking the streets that just come up to you with 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:26.400 a chainsaw. Isn't it Isn't it isn't a themed every year? Well, no, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.640 they'll be like one house or whatever that's like a 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.880 big current movie. Usually, Like when I went one year, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.120 it was US and it was like the exact house 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.839 from US. And then when I went last year, it 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.240 was like Last of Us was like the big themed house. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.000 Here it's a quiet place. Oh okay, that makes sense. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.320 And I was just talking about this, and I don't 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.520 know if I've said it on this podcast before, but 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.000 I have the idea that I really want to know 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.320 what goes on behind the scenes with those people, with 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.440 the people that seasonally work at Halloween Horror Nights, Like 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.800 what is it like after hours? Are they going out, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.120 are they hooking up? What's going on? Are they moving 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.320 on to a Christmas thing after they are done with that? 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.240 What's the audition process to be like the different people, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.919 because like one girl played like the star of Last 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.520 of Us, the girl, and she just kept going look 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.400 over there, look over there, like and that was her 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.440 only line. She had to keep stepping forward and doing it. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.000 I was like, was that a get for you to 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.800 get that gig? Like to not just be like a 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.039 zombie floating in the corner like you got to aligne. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:24.560 You know, I'm very interested. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.600 I want there to be a docuseries or a scripted 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:27.520 series about these. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.560 People you don't care about, like the Disney people. You 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.719 just care about the Horror Night's seasonal employees. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.280 The seasonal people, because I feel like they've got to 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.360 be they got to be one because we're in California. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.839 I'm just assuming they're actors. They want to be actors. Yeah, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.039 they're electors, but like they're happy they're working, but they're 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:41.920 not happy to be there. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:42.520 Yeah. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.120 Yeah, I just want to know what drinks look like after, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.040 if there's drama about getting different parts, I'm interested. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.800 I'm interested in what's going on with them. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.320 They're also what's the training they have to go They 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.159 have to go up and swipe at your face, but 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.400 they get this close to. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.320 You without touching you, Like, is there training for that? 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.919 I bet because they can't touch anyone. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:02.360 Well, I guess. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.440 Jimmy Fallon was on Watch What Happens Live and he 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.120 created a haunted house at Rockefeller's Center. Oh, and the 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.160 bartender was one of the zombie page. She was dressed 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.320 like a page, but she just kept going, oh my 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.720 god at the bartending position. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.440 That was fun. Oh. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.800 I saw Sugar Daddy. I saw Sam Morrison's show in 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:24.400 Beverly Hill. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.400 Oh, how was it? 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.720 It was really good and such a cool set, and 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.080 it's going to Broadway, so look out for it. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:31.040 I really loved it. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:31.600 Funny. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.000 Yeah, it's about kind of the love of his life 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.000 dying and then getting diagnosed with diabetes type one. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.120 Yeah, and it's really funny. I liked it. That's great. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:41.760 That's great. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.400 It's a really cool set. And we got to touch 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:45.800 it after because we're VIP. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:47.040 Oh nice. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.680 But then we went to the cheesecake factory. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.960 I saw that on your Instagram. You did well, maybe 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:52.480 Jared did. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.480 I was like, you and Jared at the cheesecake factory 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.160 and I was like, I'm glad you got to go. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.280 He was very against it because it ends up being 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.840 expensive anyways, So you could have just had a great 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.680 meal somewhere, but instead, like I ordered salads and then 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.640 Sam was like, is there salad salty? And then Jared 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.000 in his head was just like, we're at cheesecake factory. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.280 What did you think is gonna happen? 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 But I got a coconut cheesecake and it was really good. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.840 That sounds solicious. Oh good, I love it. Coconut cheesecake. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.120 Cheesecakes are good there. But yeah it is. But Chilies 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.240 is having a moment. Have you seen no, Oh, Chili 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.440 people are going back to Like, Chilies is having a moment. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.240 People are talking about the little dipper thing. They're going 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.320 dates like it's kind of yeah, Like I said. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.320 No that there's one where my in my husband's hometown 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.880 and we never have anywhere to eat there, so we'll 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.400 head back to Chili's. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.120 I wonder if you'll like it. There's always something I 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:44.760 can have a chili. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:45.800 Yeah, you'll have not choses. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.440 Yeah, I wasn't worried about that. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.839 I just I just remember when I went to Chili's 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.800 as an adult, I was not happy. Yes, but maybe 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.600 something's changed. Maybe it's like Dominoes and they all got 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:56.359 new recipes. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.520 They've got like a five star chef to start, like, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.160 didn't talk Go Bell at one point have like a 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.760 very like high end Mexican food chef like doing their 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:04.439 menu and stuff. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.440 Maybe Chili's did that. I don't remember this Taco Bell era. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.280 I remember there was like a thing where they were 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.640 like we asked so and so for like you know, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.720 and like he had inspired, inspired things on the menu. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.520 Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong place, but I thought 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:24.720 it was Taco Bell Did you see the video of 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.160 Nicole Kidman and Samahayak and what are your thoughts? 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:27.760 What are they doing? 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:27.839 No? 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:28.160 I haven't. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.880 Oh okay, Oh my god, this is so rare. Are 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.760 you guys clocking that I saw one thing on the 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.800 internet before? Lisa, I'm so excited. They're at like a 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.640 fashion week, but I don't think it's New York because 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.760 that's not happening yet, right or was New York just happening? Okay, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.760 So they're at like Bubbalenciaga thing or whatever, and Samahayak 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.120 just keeps trying to like turn Nicole Kidman like towards 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.520 the camera, and there's like an icy moment between them, 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.520 and Nicole Kidman is like enough stop, like don't touch 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.200 me or whatever. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.400 And I saw it on Instagram. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.760 I was like, oh wow, And you know, it's like 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.760 I think Balenciaga is owned by the company that her 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.800 Salma Hayek's husband is like the president of, so she 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.920 probably thinks she's, like, you know, the first lady of 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.560 the Balenciaga Show and Nicole Kidman I read on page 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.240 six they had a like a lip reader who like 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.319 was telling you what they were saying to each other, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.920 and it wasn't actually nothing was that sassy that was said, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.839 but like the body language is very Nicole Kidman is 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.080 like don't touch me and don't fucking tell me which 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:30.200 and don't point me towards. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.880 The camera like I don't like I don't want that. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.560 Yeah, And also though I read somewhere somebody said it's Nicole. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.160 Kidd but then like Nicole Kidman is doing this to 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.640 her at the end too, yes, and then she goes 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.120 to say hi to Katie Perry, who you don't you 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.200 might not notice because I didn't notice on first look 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.400 is like right behind them and kind of with them, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.160 so but I heard that it's also Nicole Kidman's first 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.679 public appearance since her mom suddenly passed like last month. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.000 So she might have just been like, she's wearing black, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.840 she's wearing sunglasses. She might have just been like, I'm 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.560 trying to be incognito, don't touch me, and like point 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.120 me towards the paparazzi or whatever. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.120 So but kind of wild to see two A listers 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:09.199 tangle like that. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.760 I'm also just happy these lip readers have come out 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.320 of what works and really help us. I also just 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.719 saw that Taylor Swift just announced that she's going to 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.920 have a book like an Era's Tour book, and it's 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.560 going to come out on Black Friday at Target. I 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.440 just texted the niece and nephews that we have to 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:23.800 go to Target on Black Friday. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.199 We'll see if they go. One of them hast to 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:27.640 drive me. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.800 Yeah, because I think that specifically is going to bring 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.120 a lot of people to that Target. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:33.839 Yeah, I'm going to go to Target. I'm going to 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.040 be part of the consumer problem. You have to like 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.040 hit a person working there. You really have to get 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.120 into it. You have to do the whole thing. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:41.800 And I will. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.280 Where's the tailor book? 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:46.440 Out of my way? 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.640 Just pushing children out of the way teens. I guess 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.800 maybe we can order online, but I want the book. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.200 I want to be a part of it. You know, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.240 I'm new like anything that I can be live a 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:56.640 part of. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.160 But the concert's coming in. I still have an outfit it. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.440 What do we I want Midnight's era look, but I 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.040 just can't find it. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.240 Yeah, Midnight, you know I'm not I'm not gonna be 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.200 much of my help. What's Midnights? I thought I want. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:16.800 Paternalons, stars blues. I want dark blues and stars and 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.640 Moon's Okay, that's my inspo. But I haven't really been 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.880 able to find something because I don't want. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.400 To be I need to be comfortable. Yeah, and that's 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.760 that's the hard crossover. Well, I'm sure now that we've 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.840 talked about it, something exactly like that will come up 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.240 in your feet on Instagram because. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.040 Well I did go on Selki and I was like, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.880 maybe Selki will have like some star stuff and that's 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.800 their new collection, like the home screen said star crossed 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.520 looking for a place in the cosmos. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.119 Wow, But I'm not wearing. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.400 A giant corseted gown like I'm not, and I don't 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.000 want anything too long and like I don't know, I 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.400 don't know what I'm gonna do, and I can't believe 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:52.880 it's like. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.600 A week, like a month away. I know something's gonna 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.240 come together for you. Hey, you had a you had 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.240 a bucked up outfit for your special four days before 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:02.600 it taped, and look what you did. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.120 So I have faith that you're gonna find something good. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.720 I'm trying to think if anybody's listening, I'm certainly not 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.640 the good resource for this, because verone's listening that knows 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.800 where Leasa can get a good Star Moon fun outfit 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.640 for Taylor dm. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.280 Us, did your brother have fun at that wedding? 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.920 Yeah, they were like a little annoyed because like three 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.840 weeks before the wedding, suddenly the bride was like, there's 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:30.240 a color palette, like I want everyone to wear earth tones, which, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.480 by the way, like many people don't look good at 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.120 earth tones. It's like mauve beige, like browns, you know 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.719 what I mean. Like that's not really and that's the 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.440 thing people are doing now, I think because of like 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.080 the instagramification of every event in our lives, Like everyone 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.760 wants their photos to look like everyone coordinated, which I get, 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.640 but they spent a lot of money to fly out 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.400 for it, and then they were like, three weeks before, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:55.839 you're telling us that we have to like get a 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.959 specific outfit, and she had accidentally bought something that I 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.160 guess was like what the she had planned on work, 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.000 something that was what the bride's maids were wearing. So 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.040 they were like, you can't wear that. So but they 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.199 said it was a great they had a good time. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.680 It was like in downtown San Diego. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:08.520 It's embarrassed. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.920 I just feel like more adults need to find hobbies 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.280 and where they have recitals and events and are celebrated 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.120 so they can get back down to reality during their wedding. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.640 And I cannot push it all onto the wedding. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.280 Yeah, Like I just get attention almost every day of 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.520 my life in an extreme way. So to me, I'm 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.880 like I would I'm not desperate for this, yeah, but 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.920 like people like it's just like, get. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:33.800 Get down to earth. Yeah. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.400 I was just saying weddings are like birthday. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.000 Parties for adults now that like, but when you're five, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.040 like when you're like I want this and I want 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:42.200 this and I want that, and if it's not the 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.440 right thing, I'm freaking out like it's like a five. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.760 You're regressing when you have a wedding. I feel a 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:47.360 lot of people. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.880 But yeah, he had a good time. It was great 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.320 to see them. Oh I'll tell you about my phone. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.320 Okay, I had because people always are like New York LA, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.320 like what's the vibe? And so I have walked in 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:04.040 La shock. I like did some thirty forty minute walks home. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.800 But I was just walking between comedy clubs on sunset, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.720 so like a fifteen minute walk and a man just 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.760 starts being like I'm gonna fucking shoot you in the head. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:12.720 I'm gonna fucking. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.480 Kill you, just screaming, and then but no one's around. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:16.400 That's the thing. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.240 If someone screams at you in New York or is 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.600 violent in some way, there's a bodega you can obviously 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.080 not all neighborhoods and like there are like more quieter places, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.360 but people are out and about and walking and so 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.360 even if something happens, there's like alert. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.120 Kind of or we're all in it. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.000 But yeah, I'm just alone on sunset for ten minutes 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.800 with a man going behind me going I'm gonna fucking 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.240 kill you, and I just have to be like, well, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.720 this is how I go or not and that's that. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.280 And so it's just I know, it's scary, Like I've 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.600 actually had cars like slow down and be like what 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.720 are you doing when I'm walking in La, Like when 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.960 I've walked in LA before, especially like at night, They're 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:55.760 like are you okay? 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.040 Like You're like, I'm just trying to walk. Yeah. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.000 So then so I got picked up to go to 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.760 this meeting and my driver was incredible. He's lived in 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.280 LA since the seventies, and so he was telling me. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.560 He goes, my mom actually lived in that place. I 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.160 just picked you up. And then I was across the 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.160 street and then we drove past. He goes, oh, down 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.320 there is the Menendez brother's house. And I go, oh, bro, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.200 you've been here. You were here for the night stalk 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.440 or he goes Richard Ramirez, Yeah, I was here. And 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.440 then he goes, look up this address, and I typed 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.640 in this address and it's where he lived as I 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.480 don't remember when. And it was the most gruesome crime 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.440 in LA history. And it was like this husband gruesomely 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.920 murdered his girlfriend in a fucked up way and their child. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.360 Was four weeks old. Oh my god. 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.560 So I'm going to see if maybe SVU did something 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.200 with it. But I just have like this great conversation 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.160 with a guy where our interests, you know, overlapped. And 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.600 so then I'm going back and I call another car 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.200 and it's a girl, and usually I'm happy when it's 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:49.480 a girl. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:50.480 I'm like, oh, great, a girl. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:50.960 Yeah. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.160 I get in and she goes, oh, do you live 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.240 in this neighborhood? And when we're in Beverly Hill was 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.560 I go oh no, I was just meeting someone. I go, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.800 what about you? She says, oh, I live near where 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.640 I'm dropping you off. I go, oh, cool, are you 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:02.360 born and raised? 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:02.640 La? 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.440 Normal question? She does not like this, so all of 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.679 a sudden she goes, well where are you from? And 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.800 I go, oh, the Chicago suburb. She goes, well where's 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.560 your family from? Huh, where's your lineage? Like that kind 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.960 So then it hits me like that's probably why, like 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.440 how she interpreted my question of like where's your culture? 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.720 You know, like what are you? So I go, oh, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.600 I'm from the former Soviet Union. She goes yeah, like 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.080 when people ask that and where are people from? And 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.080 then starts talking about immigration and policy and different countries 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.880 and all of this, and I'm. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.400 Just like, oh, I get where. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:33.919 I get that. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.199 I go, I just meant like, you don't meet a 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.960 lot of native there's a lot of child But she's 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:47.520 now activated through I might straight up. We start talking 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.120 about travel or being welcome at places, and then every 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.600 time I try to agree with her, being like, oh, yeah, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.760 I see where you're coming from like this, she'd be like, no, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.920 not like that, because this and that, And in the 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.560 few minutes that we were in the car, it was 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.560 Thailand's LGBT and I don't like that, and I go. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.560 And then later she goes, I feel like you're I. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:08.040 Go, I don't. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.199 I go, I've had enough. And she goes, I think 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.280 it's okay to disagree and argue. I go, but I'm 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.840 not interested in engaging with you at all. Yeah, And 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.520 she goes, well, why I don't think you liked my 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.240 comment about this? 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:18.159 I go, that wasn't it. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.960 I think you're homophobic and I hateful bitch. Like I 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.680 didn't say bitch. I'm like, I just don't fuck with 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.439 people that are homophobic. She goes, what, I don't like 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.640 that Thailand's gay and I don't want America to be gay. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.960 And I don't want my brother to turn into a girl. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:30.920 And I believe in. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.080 The nuclear family. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.040 And she goes, aren't you Jewish? Jews aren't for gay people. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.760 She goes, I believe in modesty. That's why I like 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.240 Muslim culture. All you people, and like starts going off. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.560 She brings up the Holocaust. She goes, as a Jew, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.159 what you feel safe in Europe? 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.439 Oh my god. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:47.920 And then when I. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.600 Said something, I said something about, like, oh, you know, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.719 I could usually tell someone's like Russian and Jewish. She goes, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.040 I'm Jewish. You probably couldn't tell. I go, that's not always. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:54.920 She goes, see it, you're wrong. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.919 And I was just like, oh my god. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.159 Yeah, I'm just saying I usually could tell someone's Russian 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.560 from a mile away, like, and she's just and I go, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:02.520 I'm not. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.240 I don't need this in my life. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.199 Just drive, bitch, shut your fucking mouth, like is what 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.200 I was thinking. But I think she was unhinged, Like 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.040 I don't think she's a well human in her brain. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.720 And anyway, like, how in ten minutes are you bringing 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.399 up Holocaust? That you hate trans people, you hate gay people, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.680 that you think women are sluts and should be more 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.480 modest like in Jewish and Muslim religion, and it's like 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.000 Jews aren't against gay people in any capacity. There's nothing 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.199 that's like, it's the Christians. You can stick to your 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.639 like I don't know, but it was just insane. So 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.560 then finally I was like, I want to get out. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.280 She goes where I go, just get me the I'm like, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:38.840 go to a curb. And then we were at a 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.920 red light. I'm like, I'm leaving, and then she reported 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:42.679 me that I got out of a car while it 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.680 was moving, but I had already wrote, like this woman 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.640 is unwell and she should not have passengers in her car. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.200 I go, there's really no reason to ask what religion 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.320 I am talk about how you hate gay people? 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.320 Like what are you talking about? 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:53.560 Right? 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.280 It was wild and you're driving in LA like that's 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.760 so crazy and its And then finally she goes and 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.320 she said she lives near where you're staying, which is 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.080 you won't be there anymore West Hollywood. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.160 Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be whired you live there. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.880 But it's also like so gay, yeah exactly, Like we're 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.720 driving through like near high tops and she's like, fuck 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.040 gay people. The crosswalk is rainbow like it's and then 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.600 she goes, well, I didn't like your question asking if 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.399 I'm from here, like if I'm American or not, and 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.680 I go, that's not it. I just had a cool 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.439 driver that was here from the seventies and he was 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.520 teaching me a lot about LA and it was from here. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.920 And also if you asked if I'm from Beverly Hills, yeah, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.080 like what are we doing? 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.359 But that's what I mean. She's like, like she's not 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.760 well because it wasn't even a normal convo like oh 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.359 we disagree or whatever. It was just like antagonistic, like 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.159 she just wanted to fight. And then even after I 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:44.480 said that, I go, I just had a great driver 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.160 that I appreciate, like I liked, and she was like, oh, 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.320 it's kind of like when I was in Coney Island 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:51.000 and Marshall. 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.720 Was just talking about the Olympics. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.800 And I was like, I don't care about America, but 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.880 I love when they beat France. And this woman goes, 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.879 if you live here, you better like it, and Striten 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:02.760 it going on this pro America thing and Marcia goes, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.919 we're talking about the Olympics and she went, oh, and 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.080 it's like that it's like this lady just went off. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.520 And I'm like, I'm not even from here. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.440 Everybody's so hot to pop off right now. It's it's 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.480 a tense time. It's like drive the car, like shut up. Yeah, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.439 And eventually I'm the I'm the passenger. I told her 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.160 maybe three or four times I wanted to stop talking 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.040 to her. I go, I don't, I just don't need this. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.160 And I told her, I go, I'm having a great day. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.400 It's a beautiful day outside. I go, I just don't 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.840 need Yeah, I don't need to be quiet, and she wouldn't. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.640 I kept going into my phone being quiet. She goes, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.240 what you're mad that I said this? Well, I didn't 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.200 like that you said. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.840 That, like weird. This is not a friendship. Oh my god, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.760 it was. It was Wow. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.560 I can't believe you had such kind of greatest and 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.680 worst uber drivers of your life on the same day. 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:47.560 I look a cute dad. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.679 We talked about sleeping earlier and how sleep's important, Like, 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.800 I don't know, I've had very normal interactions and I 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.480 was really shocked by this woman and how she got 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:58.040 her tesla. 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.560 But they don't even care you get raped. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.359 Lifter ubers I don't know if they're actually gonna do 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.119 anything thing about somebody like being fully unhinged. Yeah, I 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.240 don't know if they do a mental health screening or 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:09.400 anything for the people to drive. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.840 No, but like you're talking about the nuclear she goes, 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.159 I just believe in the nuclear family, whatever it is. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:15.840 And it's like, well, clearly not, because you can have 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.200 a nuclear family with gay people. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.040 Yeah, Like what are you talking about? 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:19.240 Yeah? 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.480 Yeah, yeah, what does your brother want to be trans? Like, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.560 what's the what are you talking about? Like, no one's 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:29.840 forcing him to be trans. It was just it was unsettling. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:30.480 A low information voter. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.439 It sounds like, well, let's get going on our episode. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.480 We have a great guest today. We've got a great episode. 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.560 Just a reminder, you still can get tickets to San 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.639 Francisco and Portland at That's messed up live dot com 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.520 and you can also there you can shop our merch 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:49.840 check out our promos, you know, get all kinds of 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.480 information about us. But let's start the episode. It's gonna 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:59.920 be a good one. Okay. We are doing Goliath season six, 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.840 episode twenty three. This is the season finale of season six, 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.520 and we open on Benson and Stabler in the apartment 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.399 of a woman and it is Amy Landecker. 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:11.560 First thing I see. 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.240 She is an amazing actress from Transparent, she was in 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.760 a Serious Man. She's also done Law and Order and 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.280 Criminal Intent, and she's in another episode of us View 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.840 called Rotten from season four that we have not done yet. 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.840 So she's Missus Callahan. They just keep calling her Missus Callahan. 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.000 And she's telling the detectives that she never thought things 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.200 would get this far. Things have been getting bad for months. 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.639 And guess what her husband's name is. It's Tommy. Of course, 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.359 it's another Tommy, the listener that called us out to us. 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.439 It's like the best observation of all time that this 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:43.800 show is obsessed with the name tom Tommy Thomas all 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:44.680 Tommy's all the time. 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.520 But also, missus Callahan's an old lady name. This is 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.240 a misnaming. 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.439 Isn't that from like a movie where they're like, sorry, 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.399 missus Callahan. 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:54.639 Or something like that? 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.800 Is like an Adam Sandler movie thing or something, Yeah, 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.360 it's you or It Takes Two. I think it's from 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:03.560 It Takes too is it? 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.879 I don't know, But if I get this ray, I 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.040 will feel pretty good about myself. 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.320 Call Away, No, they're call Away. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.520 Oh Callahan is in Tommy Boy, which is another Tommy Callahan. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:16.119 Isn't it? 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.600 Isn't it Casey Callahan? Auto parts? Yeah? 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:20.679 Or brake pads? Yeah. 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.359 So she's like, my husband, Tommy, he's changed. He was 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.560 sweet and loving. Now he gets mad about everything and 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.440 he takes it out on me, you know, las She said, 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:29.880 I never thought it was going to get this far. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.679 He was going off last night about the neighbors. He 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.840 thinks they're spying on them, but she's like they're eighty, 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.560 Like they're not fucking spying on us. They fought, he 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.080 started hitting her, he ripped her clothes off, and then 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.320 he threatens to get his gun if she doesn't do 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.760 what he says. So she's like, I mean, without saying it, 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.040 you understand that he has sexually assaulted her, and she 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.399 understandable is upset and she's like, I can't let this 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.280 go on, not with a baby on the way. And 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.280 Olivia asks like, well, where did he hit you? And 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.120 she immediately gets very defensive. She's like, he's a cop. 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:00.720 He knows how to hit me with leaving a mark. 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:02.080 And she's like, I knew what I knew you guys 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.040 wouldn't believe me. And Stabler's like, that's not true, and 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.000 she's like, yeah, right, you guys cover for each other. 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.240 She's like, I told his little partner that he was 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.320 hitting me and she didn't do shit. So this guy's 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.280 got a partner she did not help. This woman is 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:17.760 sad upset. Benson and Stabler llstandibly like they are special detectives, 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.919 but she doesn't know that. Yes, yes, she doesn't know. 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.320 For all she knows, they're all in the same good 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:28.879 old boy club and they're all protecting each other. So 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.679 Benson and Stabler roll up on these two uniform cops 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.800 that are like honestly bothering in on housewomen who's quietly 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.840 sleeping in minding her own business, and they are Officers 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.880 Callahan and Veil Veil as the female partner, and they 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.280 want to bring them in for some questions, and they're 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.600 kind of resistant, but Benson and Stabler are like, look, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:47.520 you're not under arrest. 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:49.480 You drive your own car. We'll follow. 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.120 And then as they walk off, Officer Callahan just pushes 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.320 over the shopping cart belonging to the unhoused woman filled 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.280 with cans, just as like a show of look how 0:25:59.280 --> 0:25:59.880 tough I am. 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.400 It's really aggressive. 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.600 Benson and Stablers share a look like wow, what a 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.160 sweety pie. This is gonna be a lot of fun. 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.280 And then it's the credits and it's a great cash shot. 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.800 It's the whole gang plus Wang and Novak. It's fun. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.880 I like this crew. Then at the top of Act one, 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.639 at the precinct, Callahan looks like a psycho robot. He's like, 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.520 I don't know why my wife would say I raped 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:20.200 her detective. 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:21.120 That isn't true. 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.359 And then Stabler's like, maybe it's a misunderstanding, and he's 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.320 like still robot, like I perceived nothing unusual about her 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.520 behavior or emotional state. And Stabler's like, wow, your training 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:34.120 is kicking in, Like you're in cop mode. You're going polite, professional, detached. 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.280 And Stabler's like, I mean, come on, she's making this 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.800 whole thing up like that doesn't really track. And he's 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.360 giving this guy's giving Stabler as Willem and Alaska would say, 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:44.960 nutche he's giving nothing. 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:45.479 Okay. 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.400 We cut to Olivia with the female partner vile and 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.520 she I'm sorry, Veil, not the vile files. We cut 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.359 to Olivia with the female partner veil and she goes, well, 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.440 one time he slept his wife in the heat of 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:02.800 an argument after she hit him multiple times. It's like, 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.359 already I'm not liking this woman. I'm like, I don't 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.439 really care how many times she hit him. He's a 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.000 huge cop, she's a tiny woman. And she says ultimately, 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.760 the wife decided not to press charges, and Live is like, 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.760 so you ignored the domestic violence must arrest policy. They'll 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.280 goes no, Tommy is their sole source of income and 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.600 one misdemeanor domestic violence conviction would cost him his job. 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.800 Where would that leave both of them? So Olvia is like, 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.320 so you did jack shit? And she's like, no, I 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.440 gave Jamie my card and said that if he ever 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.840 does it again to call me. And she's like, Tommy 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.399 is not usually like that. So back to Stabler and 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.080 Tommy and Tommy's like, my wife thinks I'm having an 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.879 affair and the guy's like, Stabler goes the guy sorry, 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.960 Stabler goes not his partner? Is it your partner? And 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.640 he goes, no, not her. Some barrel sucker I met 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.159 at a bar. Is that like, chucklefucker you think is 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.520 a barrel sucker? Somebody who likes to fuck cops one 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.080 hundred percent. I looked it up and it wasn't right there, 0:27:59.119 --> 0:27:59.480 so I was. 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.600 Like, oh, bad badge bunny. 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.840 Yeah, but that's a good one. 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.919 I don't know, but it was like it was like 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.480 people who love their guns or something like that. 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:12.080 So it was like I was I. 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.840 Would there was something on, you know, Urban Dictionary, but 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.520 it wasn't immediately that, So I was like, what a 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.280 wild thing though, to be like, I love cops so much, 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.240 like I like put a bit, could put a. 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.640 Gun in my mouth. I love it so crazy. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.520 I mean, there's people that are obsessed with serial killers, 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.560 so yeah, there's something out there for Everybody's a fucking 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:32.600 lid for every pot. 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.280 He goes, that's why she's doing this. It's to punish me, 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.560 and I deserve it, and he looks very freaky. He's 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.640 like still very robotic, and Stabler's like, well, what about 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.120 the hitting, and he denies that, and Stabler goes, well, 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.560 your partner's over there spilling to my partner right now, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.240 So back to the ladies. Benson's like, are you sleeping 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.360 with him? And Mail goes, I'm a lot more likely 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.200 to have an affair with you, Detective Benson. 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:54.760 So she's a lesbian. 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.360 I'm proud and she is part of Lesbie Strong with 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.280 bab Stuffy. She says, Jamie and things. And this proves 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.520 how emotionally unstable she is. What about Tommy, was he 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.160 pumped to be a dad thrilled? She says he can 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.560 handle stress, He's been through worse. She's like, what do 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.640 you mean? And the partner goes, he was in the 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.720 army reserve in Afghanistan. And Benson's like, oh, if that's 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.920 what affected him, is that maybe what affected him? And 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.640 Veil just kind of shifts her eyes, and so Benson 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.440 takes that as a yes. In the squad room, Munch 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.600 and finnar back from a canvas of the neighbor and 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.000 neighborhood and Callahan is either a great dude or an 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:30.000 unpredictable bastard. 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.440 It depends on who you talk to. And then this 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:33.440 is the part that's wild. 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.640 Craigan goes, so, who do we believe and Benson goes, well, 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.000 the wife is questionable, how like, I don't know one 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.160 thing she's done that's been questionable, and Stabler goes, he 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.680 is too, and then Craigan goes if they were a 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.640 civilian couple, and Stabler goes and cut them both loose, 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.560 like what the wife has done? Nothing weird, Like they 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.520 did not make Jamie do something crazy, like, yes, she 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.080 got a little bit heated with the cops because she 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.600 thought they weren't believing her, But she doesn't do anything 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.720 that would indicate an unstable personality at all to me. 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.280 But whatever, maybe they forgot, maybe they had to cut 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.800 that scene and they just didn't want like, I don't know, 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:11.920 this doesn't make sense to me. 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.479 I also, we didn't really chat about it. 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:18.320 But this guy, the main, Tommy Callahan, he's from oz 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:19.920 oh Okay. 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:20.920 He's a big. 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.360 Oz guy, and they I think he's the one where 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.000 like he's part of the Skinheads with JK. Simmons, so 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.040 like they're part of the you know, the racist crew. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.440 And then he needs dental surgery. We talked to someone 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.160 that was the dentist on this podcast. Oh really, they 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.000 put like a black person's gums and teeth in his 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.120 mouth somehow, I didn't even know that was a surgery 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:42.520 you can do. 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.000 And then he's like mad about it. 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:49.280 But I remember I forgot, which guess I should like 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.120 figure out what episode, But we had the dentist be like, yeah, 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.840 I think I did a surgery mixing up gums. 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.000 I was like, yeah, I remember that. We have to 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.400 figure out who that is. Yeah, that's so funny because 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.080 that just suck out to me because it was insane. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.920 There's like an the Achilles heel. There was like a 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.320 cut on a basketball court. Like there's a few huge 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.600 injuries and killings that pop out. But like I said, 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.959 you know, I watched it in junior high, so right, right, 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.800 right right, a little yeah, inappropriate age to be watching 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:22.760 OZ Like me, I will eventually do a fool rewatch 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:28.440 and I know that, but not yet. You're gonna be like, oh, yes, 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:33.280 I totally remember, like I don't know, being into Powerpuff 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.000 Girls and watching this scene, Like I can't imagine like 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.360 the memories it's going to bring back for you because 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.640 you watched it so young. But Powerpuff Girls is the 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.040 only thing I could think of. It's probably not even 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.680 your age range. I am getting over a cold and 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:48.720 I'm on dagwell. 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.600 Other people that like, like I missed SpongeBob, but there 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.880 were my I had ears that loved SpongeBob, So I 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.360 don't really know, like, yeah, I just didn't have cable. 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.160 Yah, yeah, eighth grade, gotcha. 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.239 I'm trying to think of what you would have been 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:09.480 obsessed with while watching OZ. Okay, so for some reason, 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.360 they just want to let this couple loose, because that 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.280 all seems normal. It was awesome, Mandavi oh off office 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.240 mom asif momby Yeah, yeah, yeah it was he played 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:24.520 the doctor that did it. That's so good, awesome, Oh 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.880 my god. Okay, so they're about to let this couple go, 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.560 which sounds good. A pregnant woman who says her husband 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.400 raped her. He's an unaffected cop, talking in a full 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.200 monotone like a detached zombie. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:36.760 This sounds good, Let's let them go. 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.360 This makes total sense for both Stabler and Benson's intuitions. 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.840 And I'm being very sarcastic. It makes no sense. 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.080 So it walks Captain Barbara Piers from the seven to four. 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.720 She thanks, thanks for handling this, Captain Craigan, thanks for 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.120 handling this this way, you know, And they're gonna cut 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.960 Callahan loose. She goes, I'm gonna put him on modified duty. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.280 I'm gonna get him help. Tommy comes out and tells 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.200 the captain it's all a mistake, and he goes, can 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:00.920 I get my weapon back? And everyone just kind of 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.680 looks around and Peerce is like, tom come with me, 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.200 and he's like, no, I need my gun and she's 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.480 like step back and he's like, you're putting me up 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.000 modified and then he flips the fuck out. He grabs 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.560 this female captain, throws her on the table, starts punching 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.680 her in the face. He's like a wild animal. Multiple 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.080 dudes have to pull him off of her. He's spitting 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.320 at her, he's calling her a bit. She's screaming I'll 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.480 kill you and why are you doing this to me? 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.480 Over and over again. It's very scary. In the next scene, 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.960 poor Captain Pearce is like icing her face and she's like, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.040 I'm just thankful this didn't happen in front of my squad, 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.640 and Craigan is like, damn girl, you got nothing to 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.320 be embarrassed about. You took a sucker punch to the 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.720 face and you're still talking like you're good, You're tough. 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.640 In my book, psych Services says Tommy might need to 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.160 be hospitalized. Craigan is like, could this be a combat 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.880 stress situation like PTSD? And they all agree it's lucky 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.240 they didn't send him home to his pregnant wife, right, 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:51.680 pretty lucky because that could. 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:51.960 Have been her. 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.240 And Finn walks in and says, iab is on the line. 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.200 A woman just called nine one one and said her 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.640 husband is trying to rape her and it must be 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.360 a cop if Iaby is calling, I don't think they 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:02.920 specify that, but yes, it's a cop. 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:04.800 The gang rushes to the scene. 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.240 There is a muscleman in who's shirtless on his front lawn. 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.680 He's got a gun in his hand. He's sweating and 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.279 he's crying and he's going, I'm not me, I'm not me. 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.080 His name is Wes Myers. There's another cop calmly trying 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.000 to talk him down. He's like, Wes, where's Kendra, where's Anthony? 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.720 And the guy just keeps crying I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.160 But then he says she's dead, and then he's like, 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:25.920 what's wrong with me? 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:26.759 What did I do? 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.520 Suddenly his young son, Anthony, who's like ten, walks out 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.120 of the house and is like, Dad. 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:33.320 Dad, where's mom? 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:34.080 What's going on? 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.120 And then the dad is just I mean, like, there's 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.359 a full cop stand off going on outside his house. 0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.160 And the cops keep going. Son get back in the 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.480 house and he's like, Dad, are you mad at me? 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.960 And then the Wes just cannot handle the are you 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:47.440 mad at me? And he just puts the gun to 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.280 his head and he fires and he drops to the ground. 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.080 Anthony obviously freaking out. 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.920 Stabler swoops in with the dad hug as usual and 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.160 is like hugging the ten year old child. As we 0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.480 fade to commercial, we don't know what's happened. Top of 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.640 AC two, we find out Wes Myers is a cop 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.400 in the Bronx, but he actually survived the gunshot wound. 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.480 So they're at the hospital. The doctors think he might live. 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.480 The wife is dead. She was shot point blank in 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.320 the back of the head. And so the kid Anthony 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.560 is with acs. Two cops both attack their wives. What's 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.640 the connection. Turns out Wes was on leave until two 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.960 days ago and because he was in Done Done Afghanistan, 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.799 just like Callahan was. So Stabler is now talking to 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.719 the cop that was trying to talk West down, and 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.040 that's his partner, and he's super upset because obviously he 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.680 just watched his partner shoot himself and he murdered his wife. 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.640 And he's explaining, yeah, Wes just got back from Afghanistan. 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.960 He's like, he and his wife were a really good family, 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:42.719 no problems. 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.600 This makes no sense. He loved Kendra. 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.400 So we cut to Kraigan slapping down a copy of 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.560 a paper. I think it's like the New York Sentinel 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.759 or something, and then the paper headline is Cops Gone Crazy. 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:56.680 I feel like we could have come up with something better, 0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.719 Cops gone cuckoo, cops something, you know, like if you're 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.080 a trashy rag, like CoP's Gone Crazy. It's like not exactly, 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.600 you know. And they're like, well, someone's got a big mouth. 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.719 Craigan says, the journalist's name is sherm Hemple and he's 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.600 got a lot of details, and I think that name 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.759 is really funny. Casey walks in with the same newspaper 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.359 and she's like, well, guess listen to this. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.480 What So I'm still on this guy's page. 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:26.640 Sorry Tommy Tommy Callahan, and he stopped acting, so I'm like, well, 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:28.640 that's weird. But then he has other credits. He went 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:33.400 into cinematography and direction. But then he's still step that 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.920 like ten years ago. So curious, I'm curious if you 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.480 know him. Let us let us know if you guys 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.399 know Tommy Callahan, shoot him my way. Wait is that 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.040 literally Tommy Boy's name Tommy Callahan and Tommy Boy? 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.879 Wait, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I need 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:54.280 to find. 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.560 Out when the movie Tommy Boy came out, and like, 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:57.560 this feels like a prank. 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:58.200 What the fuck? 0:36:58.520 --> 0:36:59.479 Nineteen ninety five. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.640 So the movie Tommy Boy comes out in nineteen ninety five, 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.239 the main character is named Tommy Callahan, and this episode 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.359 comes out ten years later in two thousand and five, 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.080 and they're just like, don't even google it. It's Tommy Callahan. 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.560 We're just calling him that. Okay, that's funny to me. 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.279 And as people know, I do fucking love Tommy Boy. 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:22.200 New guy's puking in the corner. Oh my god. Okay, anyway, 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:27.600 so Casey, that got Casey, That got our Casey. So 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:32.319 Casey Novak walks into the squad. She's got the same newspaper, 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.279 CoP's Gone Wild. Everyone's getting an extra extra read all 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.160 about it. There's a little boy on the corner selling it, 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.760 and she goes, well, guess who else saw this? Arthur 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.799 Branch that's her boss, that's played by like the real 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.719 life Senator Fred Thompson. And she's like, so that means 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.759 I'm gonna be a pain in your asses until this 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.480 is all explained. Benson's like, I think it's PTSD. They 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.480 were in the same reserve unit, but they didn't even 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.960 know each other or served together. Like Callahan got back 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.520 eight months ago. West got back three days ago, but 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.239 he'd only been serving for four months. And Stabler's like, well, 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.920 they're usually keeping these guys double their deployment. Why did 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:04.880 West get let out early? Like why they let this 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.920 guy West home after four months? Go ask Callahan? He's 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.400 an NYU under psyche val and so they send Huang 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.360 to go talk to him. Huang goes in and this 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.520 guy is he's like still zombie, but in a different 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.239 way than he was before. He's like talking to Hwang 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.440 about all these bad dreams he's been having, monsters, spiders 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.040 coming out of his hands. They started a couple months 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.520 after he got back, and he says the medication that 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.400 they have him on right now is helping, the dreams 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.799 aren't as bad, and he has less paranoia about like 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.400 his neighbors spying on him and stuff like that, and 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.319 ena Huang's like well, how's your wife, And he's like, oh, 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.640 she doesn't come see me, she won't even call. I 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.319 don't blame her, he says. Sometimes in the morning when 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.560 he shaves, he puts the razor to his neck and 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.279 he thinks if he could just push harder, He's like, 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.040 it would hardly hurt it all. And oh, no, that's 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.759 definitely suicidal ideation. Not great, not great. Huang is now 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.360 reporting to the other rest of the gang that he 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.360 doesn't think this is PTSD. He's had no in his 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.640 sleeper eating, no startle reflex. His nightmares are vivid and bizarre, 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.719 like hallucinations, and he has paranoia with suicidal ideation. If 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.279 it was just him, Huang's like, I would say it 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.960 was Schitzo effective disorder. But with the two guys here 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.120 having basically the same type of thing, it must be 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.600 an environmental cause. Like, there's no way that would be 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.240 the chance of them having the exact same disorder would 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:27.720 be very slim to none. Sabler says, well, the Marines 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.279 gave me a physical when I got out, so I 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.680 bet the army does the same thing. Now we're at 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.160 the base clinic talking to doctor Trainer, and he is 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.200 explaining that the Department of Defense lets post deployment physicals 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.360 be optional now. 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:41.799 And he is played. 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.520 By John Dawsett, who is also in the episode Wanderlust 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.239 and that's the episode with the home improvement mom and 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.719 he plays her creepy boyfriend who sells prom dresses at 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.719 the department store and he stole a dead guy's like 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.000 social security numbers so he could sell prom dresses. 0:39:58.160 --> 0:39:58.359 Wow. 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.040 And he is the sports guy in Sex and the 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.200 City that's Samantha, you know, likes the nixt four. 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:11.880 But then rather sees the begins. Yeah, he watches baseball. 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:17.320 Oh fucking sports guy, all right. So he's like, I 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.120 can't show you guys the surveys. 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:20.719 You'd have to talk to the unit commander. 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.000 And now the unit commander's like, oh, I wish I 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.880 could help, but blah blah blah, I can't release medical records, 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.720 blah blah blah. You got to talk to the general. 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.439 And Munch is like, ah, military bureaucracy. And the guy 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.040 was like, I bet this is combat stress. A lot 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.280 of guys have a hard time getting back into society. 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.759 So now they're back talking to the doctor and he's like, 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:40.840 there's nothing I can do to help you, and Stabler's like, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:41.880 I was a marine. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.480 I know about the need for discretion. 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.000 But there is a pattern here, and this guy trainer goes, 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.680 you got to take it up with the Pentagon. 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:48.240 Sorry. 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.160 So back at the precinct, Stabler is hitting another dead 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.319 end with military channels. Craigan says, to pull up the 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.919 Sentinel's website, which is the paper from the Cops Gone 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.000 Wild article. They released a copy of the next morning 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.040 cover and it says coward cop with a photo of 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.719 Wes Myers. He was court martialed for cowardice and that 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.040 the same reporter reported on this. And his name is 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.680 Sherman Hemple. So Maloney is sick of they. He's like, 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:13.759 get Sherman here, we got to talk to this guy. 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:19.440 So they go behind us, Oh, Sherman's They go behind 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.240 a hotel and they find Sherman digging through the trash 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:28.560 of a dumpster behind uee sexual and he is John Burnhall, 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.120 who plays the brother from the Bear. 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:32.160 Who is dude? 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.880 John went to study at the Moscow Art Theater School 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.040 in Moscow, Russia. 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:38.040 Wow. 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:42.360 He also played professional baseball in the European Professional Baseball Federation. 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.799 What the fuck whoa, that's very stone of him. 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.240 There this guy. 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.920 While in Moscow, he was noticed by the director of 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:54.280 Harvard University's Institute for Advanced Theater Training at the American 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.320 Repertory Theater and was invited to obtain his MFA. 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.120 There no wonder, he said, not. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:05.760 Of the podcast scouted at Harvard, scouted by Harvard in Russia. 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.600 Amazing, amazing, I am, I am dead. 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:10.680 Oh my god. 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.400 He is in like a lot of stuff. My husband 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.919 has seen, but I have not. Really. I would only 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.000 say I know him mostly from The Bear. 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:22.080 Now his nose has been broken and reported fourteen times. 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.400 I mean, I keep I wo wow. One of his 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.080 favorite films is Silence of the Lambs. 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:32.520 Ah, we have a lot in common, all right, amazing 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.040 anymore burnt all bits? 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:37.279 No, I'm gonna go Okay. 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.000 So he tells the police. 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.640 He's like, quit the police Intimidation Act and try to 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.480 save another Why don't you tru go try to save 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.799 another fellow officer from a government frame up and stablers 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:49.920 running after him bringing it. 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.080 I'm so crazy, Kara, you know him from the Bear 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:53.920 because he's only in five episodes. 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.200 I know, but what is he in? 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:57.920 Like? 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.560 No, I'm just saying what a perform Yes, you're not 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:02.680 watching the Punisher. 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:03.920 That's his big Yeah, that's it. 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.520 Like like Jared is like whenever I because I brought 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.400 him up before, and I go, he's I've seen him 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.040 on like Instagram, and I'm like, who is this guy? 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.239 And Jared's like the Punisher like like people know him, 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.440 I just don't, you know. So they run after the 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.800 Punisher and he's like, they're like, how about this poor kid, Anthony, 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.759 he just lost his whole family. Why don't you like, 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:23.560 you know, why don't you walk away? But give me 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.960 a call when you get a conscience. And then Sherman 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.960 sighs and goes all right, start asking about quinium and 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.200 they're like, what's quinnium? And he goes the new agent 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.000 orange and then Stabler gets a call on his flip 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.480 phone back at the psych word bad news. Callahan has 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.080 taken his own life, and not in a chill way. 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.920 He has run headfirst into a wall twice, the second 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.600 time breaking his neck, and Stabler's like, you gotta really 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.839 want to die to do it that way, and Melinda goes, 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:53.880 no one in their right mind wants this. Whoever this 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.920 guy used to be he wasn't that man anymore. So 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.239 uh dramatic, A dramatic distillation of the vibe from a 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:02.360 Melinda as usual. 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:04.560 So top of AC three. 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.560 Back at the precinct, the guy sorry, I'm like so 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:12.399 crazy today. Okay, top of AC three. Back we're all 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.120 the little nuts. You're blowing your nose. 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.840 I think Casey just took robotessin and I'm eating a 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.919 big mac. So we're all struggling in our own ways today. 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.160 One well yeah, So now back at the precinct, the 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.560 gang is chatting about quinium, which is an anti malarial 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:33.879 drug with some pretty serious side effects. Message Boards say nightmares, paranoia, 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:38.640 psychotic behavior, like, it's all like part of the quinium package. 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.200 It's all in the tiny print at the or the 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.080 very fast voice that reads it at the end of 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.759 the ad. Munch gives the low down. Remember there was 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:47.600 a string of murders on an army base in two 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.360 thousand and two. Four soldiers killed their wives in six weeks, 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.600 three took their own lives. At least two of those 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.360 took quinium. Elliott's like, yeah, but there were marital problems 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.200 in those cases, and Munch was like, yeah, well there's 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.320 marital problem, elliot, and then they're stabbing your wife seventy 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.239 times and setting her on fire, like you know what 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.520 I mean, Like there's a little bit of like a difference, 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.960 and Stabler's getting hot and bothered by the insinuation that 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.640 the military would possibly mistreat their own men. It's like, 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.640 have you looked into the Catholic church, sir? And he's like, 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:20.480 why would the military poison their own troops? And you know, 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.880 he's pointing out, He's like, quinium is not experimental. The 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.760 FDA has approved it, but they have forced The FDA 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.400 has forced Uinium to change its warning label two times 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.719 in the past four years. Casey's like, I wonder why. 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.360 So Casey goes to the drug company and talks to 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.560 some suit who's like, this is a safe drug. 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:37.040 Good day. 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.440 And Casey's like, yeah, but didn't the FDA recently make 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.880 you cite suicide as a potential side effect. And he's like, 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.439 there's no proof that it causes that, and she's like, yeah, 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.440 but it's on your label, so why did you add it? 0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.120 And he said it's all legal, And Casey goes, look, 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.120 I've got two Army reservists. One is dead, one who 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.160 tried really hard to be dead, and I want to 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.280 see if they were given this drug with very serious 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.000 side effects, and he goes, all drugs have side effect. 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.120 He says, the benefits outweigh the risks, and then Casey's like, 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:06.000 till when how many people need to murder or take 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.719 their own lives or commit sexual assault before this is 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.759 like a problem. And then the guy's like, can you 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.840 prove that these men took quinium? And Casey's like, okay, wow, 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.080 so we've gone from it's safe to it's within federal 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.839 compliance too. They might not have even taken it, like, sir, 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.640 I can see that you're full of lies. And he's 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.880 basically like, you need to leave. And then an assistant 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.799 comes in, going, I'm so sorry. The police called for you, 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.960 miss Novak. They said it's urgent. And then this guy's like, whatever, 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:33.960 walk her out anyway, I want her gone, and then 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:35.880 she goes, well, i'll call you when I get my answer, 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.319 and he goes to what and she goes to if 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.719 Wes Myers took quiniam. He's awake, and the suitman looks 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.719 very nervous because U oh was kind of hoping that 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.200 guy never woke up to tell the tale. And now 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.000 they're talking to Wes in the hospital. Not a single 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:52.600 light is on in the room. I don't know if 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.400 this guy has light sensitivity from his surgery, but it 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.919 is the darkest scene I've ever seen, Like a night 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.440 light is peering into the side of this room, and 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.359 we can see that Wes has an all the way 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:06.440 around the head bandage Aliza special and he says, the 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.000 whole thing is like a dream. Now, we were just 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.160 having dinner. Kendra was talking and then I just get 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.719 this feeling that she's having an affair with this guy 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:16.880 she works with. And they're like, oh, is it a 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.040 voice in your head? And he goes no, But I 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.560 was just sure, like it just came over me. I 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:25.120 was sure. I started screaming and chasing her. She locked 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.560 herself in the bedroom. I could hear her on the 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.879 phone and I thought she was talking to the guy 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.120 she's having an affair with, so I broke the door down. 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.400 She was crying, begging me not to hurt Anthony. This 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.200 guy's obviously very upset. I'm not doing an invitation of 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:40.280 his voice correctly. 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:41.240 He is very upset. 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:45.640 Telling the story, Novak asks, have you ever taken Quinniam 0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:49.080 and he goes, yeah, manic mondays, and everybody's like, oh, 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:50.919 I don't like the sound of that. That doesn't sound 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.840 like a fun eighties song. And he's like, every Monday, 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:54.399 some meda. 0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.879 You will not believe how close and exact so much 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.279 of this is to the real story. Oh really yeah, 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.719 like manic Monday is used like the exact word, like 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:06.279 the exact car. 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.080 Like this is really specific. 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.279 Wow, Oh, I can't wait to hear about it. 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.799 Okay, well, and get mad, but uh so, he says, 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.759 every Monday, some medic stands at the end of the 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:18.120 chow line gives them a pill. 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:19.600 A lot of the guys got really edgy. 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.239 He says that his bug mates reported that he would 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.600 be jumping on his cot, wave his gun around, yell 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:28.160 about insurgents. He doesn't remember any of it. And he's like, 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.120 they're like, oh, is that why you got sent home early? 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.040 And he goes, no, one day, I just freaked out. 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.759 I was afraid to leave base camp. My CEO told 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.359 me to get over it. Next thing I knew, they 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.840 were shipping me home and calling me a coward. And 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.160 they were right. He says, look at me. I killed 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.840 my wife my son has nobody. Now I deserve everything 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.840 I get and he's crying. It's really sad, like this 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.799 guy does not understand what has happened to him. So 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:54.000 now Stabler and Novak are walking the hospital hall and 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.760 Stabler's like, you cannot put this guy in Jill for murder. 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.719 The army was responsible for him, like trusted them. They 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:04.600 betrayed him, and Casey's like, yeah, but he didn't have 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.320 to take the drug, and Stabler's like, he didn't have 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.359 any choice. You give up everything for them, You leave 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:10.719 your family because you believe it's your duty to the 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:12.640 Core and to your country. And when you get home, 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:14.240 you think it's going to be like it was before, 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.560 but everyone's moved on and you're not getting that year back. 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:20.840 So Stabler's clearly having some conflicting and conflicting feelings about 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.200 his military time. 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.520 And Stable's right though. 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.120 He goes, he had a right to know what Quineum 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.400 might do to him, and Casey goes, it's called informed consent. 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.239 There was a risk and the army concealed it. I'm 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.359 not charging the Pentagon for rape and murder, but I'd 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.200 settle for a way to plead Wes out Stabler says, 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.720 and to stop the military from giving out that drug. 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.720 So Casey's like, I want to talk to Sherm and 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:47.040 so Shehrm comes bouncing into the precinct like it's payback time. 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:47.560 He's good. 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:49.080 He's got a lot of bravado, this guy. 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.360 He's like, I want everything you know on the record 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.040 about Quiniam and they're like, we don't even know that much. 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.319 That's why we called you in here. 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.360 And then he calls Munch of Novak, Moulder, and Scully, 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.920 which is considering I love this moment, but also Munch 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.880 was on The X Files one time as Munch, so 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:08.960 it's a kind of a funny little moment. So Novak 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:12.000 is like, look, I love the First Amendment, huge fan, 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.759 but I also like preventing the deaths of soldiers. And 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:16.759 Munch is like, what if she drags you in front 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.520 of a judge and starts using words like patriot, homeland 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.880 and security. I don't I honestly had to watch this 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.359 like four different times. I didn't really understand what they're 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.840 threatening the guy with, Like are they telling him like 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.480 we're gonna we're gonna tell the judge that you're a 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.120 terrorist if you don't help us, like, I don't know, 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.000 but he goes, you would take advantage of terrorism fears 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:39.600 to circumvent the Bill of Rights. That's despicable, And Stabler's like, 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.960 no more despicable than writing fake stories. Elmer Fudd, who 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:47.360 says despicable? Despicable? That might be it's either Elmer Fudd 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:54.399 or Daffy Duck, right, Oh it's that. Yeah, yeah, who 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:58.600 would you rather hang out with? Daffy or Donald the 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:02.880 Battle Ducks? Daffi's a little easier to understand to me. 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.720 So Shirm goes, I gave you guys a huge tip, 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.160 and Novak goes, yeah, but there's no proof. Maybe the 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.680 army is right and quinium is fine. And then he 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:17.359 calls Stablers sparky, and he goes, hey, Sparky, remember that 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.000 spike in military suicides in two thousand and three. 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:21.560 Guess what else spiked that year? 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.640 Prescriptions for quinium and the military they were up to 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:29.120 thirty five thousand. They stopped prescribing quinium in Iraq and 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.080 Kuwait and the suicide rate tumbled. And Munch is like, yeah, 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:34.880 well they were also giving military guys better healthcare. It's like, 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:38.640 were they? And Shirm goes, they only prescribe it in Afghanistan. 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.200 Stand now, why would they stop it in Iraq and 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:42.879 Kuwait if there was nothing wrong with it? 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.799 So we all want the truth to come out. 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:46.880 You can either help us or step aside, and Novak 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:49.520 says to him. Finally he hands them a thumb drive. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:51.520 So he came with all the information. He came with 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.360 a thumb drug full of everything. And then he's like, 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.839 all right, fine, and he goes you want to see 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.040 how far down the rabbit hole goes? And as they say, so, 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:01.719 there we go, there's the thumb drive. In the thumb 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.719 drive is a matrix aka an Excel spreadsheet. I didn't 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:09.760 realize I was so my hobby was matrixes. I should 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.759 say that instead of Excel sounds cooler. I'm really into 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.319 making matrixes and you know, stuff like that. So it's 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:20.800 a matrix for Fort Crompton, which sounds like a fake 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.560 military base, but it's a list of all of the 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.319 side effects of the soldiers taking Quiniam and it only 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:27.320 goes back three months. 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:28.920 And they're like, how can we even tell if this 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:29.359 is real? 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.799 And Reuben Morales, friend of the pod, is there, and 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.680 he tells them that the last person to modify this 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.799 document was p Trainer. And that's the doctor who's the 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.120 Samantha Sports guy. Like, that's the guy they've been talking 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:41.560 to the whole time, who's been telling them he can't 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:44.920 give him any information. And Benson and his stable are like, 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:46.879 that guy won't talk to us. In case He's like, well, 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.960 he'll talk to me. So then Casey gets to the 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.360 base and she's having some trouble getting in and the 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:53.680 guy at the gate is like, I'm sorry, miss Novak. 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.360 The doctor can't see you. He only treats military personnel. 0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:58.800 And she's like, yeah, I'm not dumb, Like I'm not 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.680 trying to get an appointment. I'm trying to meet with 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.880 him and I already had it set and they're like, sorry, 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:05.719 you need to leave. Here's a list of referrals. And 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:07.799 she's like, wait, but just go ask the doctor. She's 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.280 fighting whatever. Then I think she finally realizes check the envelope, dummy. 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:14.520 So she opens the envelope and there is a message inside. 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.760 Next thing we know, Casey is meeting Trainer the doctor 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:22.000 at the Central Park Zoo. What a fun place to shoot. 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.200 I'm so excited they do this. He says, you can't 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:27.440 come to my house or the base or attempt to 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.960 contact me ever again, is that clear? And he's like, 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.040 I cannot help you. It was never supposed to go 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.960 this far. And she's like, you contacted the press. You 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.680 know this is wrong. You can't change anything, but I can. 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.080 And he's like, I have taken care of eight men 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.480 with damage to their brain stem resulting in balance disorders 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:48.240 and psychological side effects. Some from Afghanistan, some from Kuwait, 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.120 some from Iraq. They all took quinium. Some of them 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.320 stopped taking the drug months before they noticed any of 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.400 these symptoms, and because they were psychological symptoms, many of 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.560 them did not seek out any healthcare about it because 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.040 there's no confidentiality in the army. It all goes on 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:05.200 your record, and weak minds don't get promoted. Casey says like, 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.000 which is very fucked up. Like people in the military 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:11.799 are absolutely probably forced to hide a lot of psychological 0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:13.640 things that are going on with them because everything goes 0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:17.400 into their record. So this guy goes, We've known about 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.160 this since Somalia, and she's like, well, if it was 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.640 this bad, why keep giving it? And that is when 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:24.040 I realize that they are standing in front of a 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.040 penguin exhibit, and I love it. They're just like talking 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:28.480 about quinium as these little penguins are flapping their wings 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:32.320 and what a treat. So he's like, listen, malaria is 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.040 a problem. There's four malaria drugs that work. Three of 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.640 them need to be taken daily. Quinium is the only 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.080 one that's once a week. So it's much easier to 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.279 ensure that soldiers take it if we only have to 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:45.040 give it to them on Manic mondays, right, And then 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:47.319 you know, it's like malaria is very deadly, so we're 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:49.640 talking about thousands of dead soldiers versus a few with 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.920 a bad reaction. Novak's like, I need more documents, and 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.440 Trainer goes, you have everything I have, and she goes, okay, 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.880 I'll just need a subpoena them from JAG, a different 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.600 TV show about military crime. 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:01.040 So no a. 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:05.600 JAG is stands for Judge Advocate General's Corps, which is 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:08.480 JAG Corps, and it's the government law firm that represents 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.600 the legal interests of the US Army and its soldiers. 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:12.359 I didn't know that, but there was a whole show 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:13.240 called JAG Forever. 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.279 She needs to know what's a subpoena and she's gonna 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.960 file criminal charges and he's like, bitch, you are crazy. 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.520 You have no authority to do that. She's like, I 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:25.320 have you and your testimony, and he's like, you absolutely 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:28.239 do not have me. He's like, I will, I will 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.880 not testify. I will not be doing anything publicly. My 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.840 career is over. And she's like, dog, you agree to 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.320 me with me. I'm a district I'm an assistant district attorney. 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:39.840 You never has to speak off the record. You fucking 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.840 came to the zoo in uniform. Like what is your deal. 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.279 She's like, you're so worried about your career. Maybe this 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.239 isn't the fucking career for you, because you know this 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.520 is wrong. And he has this look on his face 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:53.480 that's like, ugh, fuck morality, you got me. And then 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:57.680 he's like casualty lists, deployment lists, adverse event reports with 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:01.080 names not serial numbers, raw data from this Quinium study. 0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:03.200 He's basically telling her all the shit he's going to 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:05.760 get for her. In the next scene, we're at Casey's 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:09.640 office and she's basically been barricaded into her office by 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.839 boxes of paperwork which the military has sent in an 0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.920 attempt to bury her in paperwork. She requested about fifty 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.399 documents and they just sent her everything, like they sent 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.520 her food service reports, like all kinds of shit that 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.040 she's got to dig her way out of. And Casey's like, yeah, 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:25.880 it'll take me years to find the documents that I 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.800 actually requested. And Munch and Elliott are like, you're taking 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:30.680 this well, and she goes, oh, they're not getting away 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.120 with this. I'm indicting the US Army with rape and murder. 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:37.400 And Stabler is like, girl, you are nuts, and she goes, 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.000 I'm not going to get an indictment. 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.080 I just want people to pay attention. I think this 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:41.600 will work. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:45.200 So at that moment, Arthur Branch, the DA who was 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.480 played by Friend Thompson, pokes his head and goes conference room. Now, 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.600 so she got somebody's attention. Stabler's like, what was that? 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.560 And Casey goes, probably just about another subpoena I sent out, 0:56:55.719 --> 0:57:00.160 and he goes food. She goes Donald Rumsfeld. So I 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.600 kind of love this, and Casey is playing fucking hardball. 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:08.120 So in a meeting with in an ex partey as 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.960 we love to say, meeting with Branch and Novak, he 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.160 is yelling you better fix it to Casey and she's 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.880 like fix what. He's like, uh, calling the Secretary of 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.160 Defense a murderer, and she explains to him the Pentagon 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.880 is distributing this shit that they know causes psychotic behavior 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.280 and they're trying to hide it. Branch starts to condescend 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.400 to Casey, like, oh, it must be so nice in 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.200 your upper West Side apartment sipping shardenay and shitting on 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.760 the military. Number one, Casey Novak probably hates shardonay just 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:37.080 like I do. And number two, she does not hate 0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:39.560 the military. Her dad was a doorgunner in Vietnam and 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.040 got a purple heart. She supports the troops, and so 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.479 she wants to stop the government from prescribing a pill 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.680 that could kill them. And he's like, this just doesn't 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:49.920 make sense. The military would not harm their own soldiers, 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:53.200 and Casey's like, it's about numbers, Like, you know, a 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.480 few dead soldiers versus all the ones they're saving from malaria. 0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.920 They don't really care. And then she's like to bring 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.200 She's like, would you take quinim? Would you let your 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.240 grandchild take it? And he, you know, he gets a 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:08.040 look like fuck no, and she says, look, I won't 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.480 convene an indicting grand jury, but I'll convene an investigating one. 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:13.560 I'll let them hear the evidence and see if anyone 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:14.840 is criminally responsible. 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:16.680 And he's like, this isn't. 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.360 Going to end well, but okay, now, please tell the 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.760 Secretary of Defense that his presence will not be required. 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:27.919 So unfortunately, no Donald Rumsfeld cameo in this episode. Now, 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:31.640 in court Casey is questioning the quinium suit from earlier 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:34.320 in the episode. The guy, mister Kohler, he works at 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.040 the you know, he makes the drug, the quinium drug, 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.440 and he goes, only one in ten thousand people experiences 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:41.080 side effects. 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:42.680 Then she hands him a British study. 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:44.840 She goes, actually, this study from Britain says that one 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.840 in one hundred and forty people experiences side effects. Then 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.240 she shows him a pamphlet that the FDA has made 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:54.240 quinium release about the drug and only twenty other prescription drugs, 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:57.120 she points out, have been mandated to issue a pamphlet 0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:00.000 like this, and it mandates that anyone that takes quinium 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:03.440 has to be given this pamphlet. Next up is an 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:05.480 army dude, and I don't really know this guy. I 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.560 think he's the general. He's the guy that's like above 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.600 above Trainer or the doctor. She goes, are you guys 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:12.800 giving out this pamphlet and he's like, I'm not aware 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:14.800 of it being given out to the soldiers. There's a 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.720 lot of back and forth with this guy and Casey 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:20.200 about all this info and how there's only been about 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.320 about this one brigade over the past three years. 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.280 They have all the information about this one brigade. 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.800 Only one man's death in the brigade is attributed to suicide. 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:31.000 The other causes of death are listed as death by misadventure, 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:33.600 weapons misfire, and Casey's trying to get this guy to 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:37.000 admit that these could also have been suicides that other 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.440 soldiers or the army is covering up in general, because 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:44.800 you know, you could have somebody shoot themselves and then go, oh, 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.800 their weapon misfired or whatever. So it's possible that there 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:50.640 are more suicides than what's on record. 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:51.680 Is what Casey's trying to point out. 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.880 Next step, we got doctor Trainer, so he is back 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.400 on the stand and he says, yes, I've treated some 0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.439 men with brains stem damage. This is exactly what Casey 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.840 talked about. And then she goes and to what do 1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:06.800 you attribute that? And he says unknown eteology, and Novak 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:10.240 does a slow head turn to him and the camera 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:14.120 pans in on her. She is furious and she goes, 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:16.920 I beg your pardon, and he repeats himself. He's like, 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:20.120 unknown eteology. Their disorders were caused by factors that cannot 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:21.320 be scientifically determined. 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.080 Casey starts to get like frantic. 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:25.440 She's like, are you denying that you previously stated quineum 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:28.040 exposure caused brainstem damage in eight of your patients, that 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:30.040 the only thing they all had in common was quinium, 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:32.800 And he goes, uh, I've since learned that there's other 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:36.960 stuff like jet fuel exposure, head injury, noise. She goes, 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:41.000 noise caused a brain stem injury, and she goes, point blank, 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:42.920 do you think that quinium is safe? And he's like, 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.480 you're not even mentioning how deadly malaria is. Two million 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:49.360 people die from it each year worldwide, Like every twelve 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.480 seconds a child dies from malaria. So he's trying to 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:55.440 kind of what about it, you know, and she's like, again, 1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:59.560 is quinium safe? And he goes, all reliable scientific evidence 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:04.240 says that it is, and you know, not good. She 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.440 was his he was her ace in the hole, and 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:09.120 now she doesn't have it. So she chases Trainer out 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.600 of that courthouse, asking what happened? Did they get to you? 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:13.960 Did they threaten you your family? And he's like, you've 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:16.680 seen too many movies. And she's like, you could have 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:18.440 come to me. I would have protected you. They wouldn't 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.040 have been able to touch you. And he's like, miss Novak, 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.520 you are very young, and that is not the way 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:27.280 the world works, and he walks off. So now they're 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:31.240 at a diner late night. It's Benson, Stabler, and Shrm babe. 1:01:31.520 --> 1:01:33.560 They are all hanging out and he's like, I'm just 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:37.800 here for moral support. Casey reports the jury found Callahan 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:40.800 and Meyers both criminally liable for rape and murder, respectively, 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:43.640 but Branch at least let her cut a deal with 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:46.960 Myers so that he's going to a psyche facility. So 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:49.760 this like, you know, at least maybe his son can 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.439 go visit him, and Benson's like, there's no telling how 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:55.400 long the effects of quidium will last, and Stabler ads 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:56.920 or who else is next? 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:58.440 And then they all look at the TV and. 1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:00.800 The diner and there's like a news report troops coming 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:05.120 home picking up their kids, kissing their wives, and it's 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:05.800 a heavy moment. 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:09.360 And that's dick wolf baby fuck. 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:13.640 One of my favorite tropes of SVU is when Casey 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:18.360 or Alex Cabot try to take down a company, the military, 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:19.400 the Pentagon. 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:23.760 It is my favorite when they bring in the CEOs. 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.520 So, you know, a good episode I sat up, honestly, 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:34.160 not really a resolve. Yeah yeah, and you're. 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.919 Gonna be pissed. Let's get into it. Let's get ready 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:38.120 to get ready to get pissed. 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:48.320 I was just in North Carolina and one of the 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.440 two girls, do you remember in North Carolina there were 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:56.080 two girls that dressed like SVU, people like yah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:59.400 So I ended up signing the photo of all of 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:02.760 us together from that show. But one of them is 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:04.720 in the military, and I feel like we talked about 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:08.880 Fort Bragg and this is wild. So this is all 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:12.360 in Fort Bragg and it's about military spouse murders and 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:17.320 of course the related controversial you know, malaria drugs that happened. 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.080 So I'll just get right into it. 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:22.680 A CBS News article on July twenty first, two thousand 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:25.000 and two, wrote, in the last in the past six weeks, 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.760 four wives of soldiers at Fort Bragg had been murdered, 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:32.440 and each death was blamed on the husband. That's an 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:36.240 insane summer, I would say, for a military base, right, So, 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:38.600 and then two of those soldiers then took their own 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.920 lives as well, like it was suicide murders. And then 1:03:42.040 --> 1:03:44.920 one ended up taking his own life while in custody. 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:47.560 I mean, it's it's fucked. 1:03:47.560 --> 1:03:47.680 So. 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:52.160 Fort Bragg is the Army's headquarters for Special Forces Special 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:56.360 operation soldiers, and it's one of the biggest bases. It's 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:59.720 home to over forty thousand troops, with a lot of 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:03.600 units that played key roles in the Afghan War. So 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:07.840 Sergeant first Class Rigo Berto Nives was a soldier in 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:11.120 the third Special Forces Group. He had been back from 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:14.840 Afghanistan for just two days when he decided to shoot 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:19.680 his wife, Teresa and then himself in their bedroom. Neives 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.800 requested some time off, like for a leave for some 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:27.120 personal problems, and he shot her with a forty caliber 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:30.240 and then the neighbors said that they were arguing all night. 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:33.080 According to the Valet Times, the next person was a 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:37.920 Master Sergeant William Wright of the ninety sixth Civil Affairs Battalion, 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:43.080 and he reported his wife missing two days after he 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:43.480 he is. 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:44.480 The one who strangled her. 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:47.800 So he strangled Jennifer Gale right on June twenty ninth 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:50.840 and then reported her missing. She was a mother of 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.600 three and the two had been married for fourteen years. 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:55.480 She married him super. 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:57.240 Young, you know, like she was twenty years old, and 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:59.760 she was just this perfect Christian wife and mother who 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:03.560 schooled their three sons. And on July nineteenth, he finally 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:06.480 confessed and led investigators to her body in a Hope 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:10.280 County in a wooded area and was charged with murder. 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:15.000 And he buried her on the base near a firing range. 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:17.480 Oh my god, Okay. 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:21.000 So then her father, Archie Watson, to CBS News, said 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:23.400 that Jennifer had been talking about divorce and was over 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:26.400 the military life, but William Wright did not want to 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.400 let her go. Wilma Watson, her mother, quoted in The 1:05:29.440 --> 1:05:32.560 New York Times, said until he came back from Afghanistan, 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:35.480 I didn't worry about violence. He was getting these attacks 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:38.400 of rage. She was afraid of him. He ended up 1:05:38.680 --> 1:05:41.120 hanging himself in jail in March two thousand and three, 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:45.960 and then the same day Wright was arrested, Sergeant first 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:50.120 class Brandon Floyd decided to shoot his wife Andrea and 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:53.160 then took his own life in their home in Stedman, 1:05:54.080 --> 1:05:55.960 And it was the day that she asked for a divorce, 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:56.960 so he killed her. 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:58.080 Oh my god. 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:01.400 Floyd was a member of Dela To Force, which was 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:04.680 a secret of anti terrorism unit based on Fort Bragg, 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.200 and he came back from Afghanistan in January of that year. 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:10.360 So and their kids. 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:13.080 Thank god, we're in Ohio visiting relatives during the time 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:16.640 of their deaths. So, Nieves Right Ann Floyd were all 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:20.720 assigned to the US Army Special Operations Command. And then 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:22.960 the fourth one was not in a special group. He 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:26.640 was Army Sergeant Cedric Ramon Griffin. He was twenty eight 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:29.880 and he killed his wife. On July ninth. Marilyn Griffin, 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.480 thirty two, was found dead in their burning home. 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:34.080 So this is from the episode. 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:37.280 The two kids escaped the fire, but he stabbed her 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:42.040 fifty times before setting the house on fire, and she 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:44.840 died by stabbing, So she was dead before the fire. 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:48.360 But that's like what Munch references in the episode. 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:49.160 Yeah, that's what I mean. 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:53.640 Yeah, Oh god, it's like there's so many direct polls, 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:57.920 and so they were estranged at the time and he 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.520 was like living with another woman who was pregnant. So, 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:06.320 but he confessed after he was arrested. He was charged 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:09.320 with first degree murder, two counts of attempted first degree 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:12.280 murder for the daughters, and then first degree arson, according 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.800 to Cumberland County Sheriff Moose Butler. 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:18.160 And that's to CBS News. 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:21.080 Yeah, as you know, all the four of these men 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:24.280 were sergeants and on top of these six deaths, now 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:26.720 we have nine children with no parents. And then The 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.640 Washington Post reported on July twenty sixth, two thousand and two, 1:07:29.960 --> 1:07:33.160 that an officer assigned to the Army Special Operations Command 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:35.680 at Fort Bragg was shot and killed that week as 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:39.360 he slept in his home in Fayetteville. So Major David 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:41.600 Shannon was shot in the chest and head as he slept. 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:47.240 The spokesperson for the Special Operations Common Major Gary Colb, said, 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:51.520 they're gonna look at these individually, and it's like, Okay, 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:53.520 one summer we call these murderers. 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:54.240 Yeah, let's not to. 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:55.000 Make them at all. 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:59.760 Colonel Dad Davis, he called the killings to the Los 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:04.280 Angeles times and quotes an unexpected sequence of events and 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.320 there's no linkage we could find. 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:07.280 Okay. 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:10.600 Also, yeah, he also said that it's clear that soldiers 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:13.160 should come and talk and get help, and there's available 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:16.759 programs for them. And then he goes, we're not looking 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.479 to blame anyone for anything, and it's like, there's four 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:23.400 dead women, so maybe we should blame someone for something. Yeah, 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:27.080 And statistics show that domestic violence in the military occurs 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:30.120 twice the civilian rape, and the army goes out of 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:33.400 its way not to prosecute domestic abusers, according to Newsweek, 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.840 because under federal law, those convicted would lose their right 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:39.519 to carry a gun, and then they're not useful as 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:42.680 being soldiers, so they would rather not and let these 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:47.800 psychopaths have fucking guns. Colinel Jerome haberak a chaplain. 1:08:48.160 --> 1:08:51.000 Forture really quickly, soa when you're going forward, it's colonel 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:51.639 that way. 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:53.679 No, but I can't deal with it. I'm not saying 1:08:54.000 --> 1:08:57.360 it's annoying. It's annoying. I don't care. I don't respect 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:00.400 my military. And if you were going to keep going, 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:01.439 you work now. 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:01.880 I didn't. 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:06.599 I purposely did not capitalize anyone's names. Anyone's positions. I 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:09.679 did not capitalize Fort Bragg. I did not capitalize anything 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:14.160 or use anything. Right, I don't care. I'll call them 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:16.920 like it doesn't even matter to me. So this guy, 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:20.599 Jerome Habarack, a chapelain, like I'm not playing your little games. 1:09:20.640 --> 1:09:26.240 Guys like okay, yeah, Like I don't respect them. 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:31.200 So Jerome Habarack, a chaplain at Fort Bragg, claims in 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:34.160 The New York Times that counselors are available in the field, 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:38.120 and soldiers are counseled before they leave on assignment and 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.519 before they return home. But The Washington Post reports that 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:44.639 in army's most elite units that any contact with mental 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:48.200 health care providers, any signs of depression or domestic problems 1:09:48.200 --> 1:09:52.200 can ruin careers. And that's according to lawyers, psychologists, educators 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:55.080 who all work with these troops. Army culture sees it 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:57.439 as a weakness if you seek help. So a bunch 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.639 of these guys who need treatment don't get it because 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:02.479 they know will damage their careers. So even though all 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:04.720 these officials are like, oh, we have all these services 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:08.920 and stuff like, it still looks poorly on you. And 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:12.240 then base officials said there had been no deaths attributed 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:16.000 to domestic violence for two years and so that was 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:20.080 like a big celebration to win. So for two years 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:25.720 they had no domestic violence murders, not domestic violence, just 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:29.439 no one died from it for two years. And that's 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:31.840 something that they publicly bragged about. 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:36.040 Wow. Wow. And this cold guy. 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:39.120 When asked by CBS News of going to Afghanistan caused 1:10:39.160 --> 1:10:43.800 any of this, he said, that's a reach. Local authorities, though, 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:47.640 said all the cases came with warnings that Lieutenant James E. 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.200 Black of the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office said to the 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:53.040 LA Times, each of these couples were having serious friction 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:57.599 and there were definite signs. Lieutenant James E. Black, the sheriff, 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:00.000 said that these soldiers left with problems and they came 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:04.200 back with problems. And marital issues don't disappear just because 1:11:04.200 --> 1:11:07.080 you go off to Afghanistan. And I'm like, these are 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:13.200 not marital issues. This is murder. No marital issue leads 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:17.479 to murder. Like it is crazy to spread the blame 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:20.519 onto the woman as well as marital issues. 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:25.120 One of them was living with another pregnant woman. Yeah, 1:11:25.160 --> 1:11:28.000 and some of them could have been like like some 1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:31.360 of the marital problems could have really been sparked from 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:33.720 coming back and being like you're having an affair, you're 1:11:33.720 --> 1:11:36.000 doing this, you know, like paranoia and things that are 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:38.000 like from mental health stuff, you. 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:41.440 Know, yeah, fucking crazy. Yeah. 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:44.760 And so in two thousand and eight, so you know, 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:47.320 years later, Vanity Fair did a peace on these cases 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:50.200 and asked were these men unable to leave the war 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:54.040 behind or did an anti malaria drug turn them psychotic? 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:58.960 And this is after the episode was this big expose, but. 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:01.240 It connects. 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:05.439 So some of those men did take the anti hilaria 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:09.280 drug Larium, and it does have side effects, and those 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:13.679 side effects include suicidal behavior, psychotic actions, according to ABC News, 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:18.040 And according to some woman named Jean lacy Less, she 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:22.000 was the co director of Larium Action USA and this 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:24.960 is like an anti larium group, and she said to 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:28.879 ABC News that the most recent study shows that Larium 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:32.160 causes side effects in one third of cases. And like 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:37.200 I said, psychotic actions, paranoia, suicidal behavior. The army denies it, 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:41.559 but the soldiers they all have little say saying. 1:12:41.640 --> 1:12:43.160 So every day they took the pillow. 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:46.439 Would be manic Monday or wild Wednesdays, like they knew 1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:48.760 what was them? And so yeah, the other part of 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:52.200 this case is this larium drug and that's the commercial 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:57.360 name for the anti malaria drug mephyloquine methhloquin. I feel 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.080 like her brother is gonna have a fun time with me. 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:05.200 This the next paragrapher. So, so the evidence was largely anecdotal. 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:09.880 But why are you giving drugs that caused hallucinations, confusion, 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:14.720 psychotic behavior to people that carry weapons and hold secret clearances? 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:16.040 Huh? 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:20.240 And the guy who's asking these questions is George Andreas Pegani, who, 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:24.280 while in Iraq, became panicked, disoriented, reached for his loaded guns, 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.040 thinking enemies were bursting in his room. So then when 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.840 he asked his superiors for help, they packed him up 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:34.000 and he faced charges of cowardice, the first case since Vietnam. 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:37.559 But then once for those charges, he used the defense 1:13:37.560 --> 1:13:39.000 that like the pill made me do it. 1:13:39.320 --> 1:13:42.760 The army dropped all charges. They didn't want anybody looking 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:43.160 into that. 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:46.320 So CBS News in two thousand and five reports that 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:49.360 the Pentagon had stopped giving out the pill, which the 1:13:49.479 --> 1:13:54.720 US military developed. So they developed this formalaria and it 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:57.519 was dangerous enough that they did stop fucking giving it 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:00.200 out just the Pentagon. Even though they stopped giving it out, 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.240 the drug is still recommended. 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:03.920 Well, this was like during that time. 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:06.240 But the US Center of Disease Control and Prevention and 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:10.639 the manufacturer, Roche Pharma, says that more than thirty million 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:16.200 people have used it over twenty years. I don't really know, yeah, 1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:19.679 what to do, but they deny everything, and CBS News 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:24.679 the spokesperson. The spokesperson said there's no reliable scientific evidence 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:28.040 that larium is associated with violent acts or criminal conduct. 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.960 In the civilian medical community, the views on the drugs 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:34.320 are mixed. Some give it to travelers and you know, 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.120 it's chill as fuck, but like to go on a vacation, 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.879 but millions heard of people should not use it, considering 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:43.800 they already have their own history of psychiatric complications. They 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:47.280 also are supposed to give those soldiers warnings, but a 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.439 bunch of the soldiers that were interviewed for this two 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:51.960 thousand and five CBS articles said they were not warned 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:54.679 at all of any of the side effects. The troops 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:57.200 in Kuwait in nineteen eighty one were like given another 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.440 drug called chloro Queen, but the commanders chose larium anyways 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:03.760 because they only have to take it once a week 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:08.360 rather than daily like the dox sicilian whatever that was, 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:14.719 Like doxy cycliclin, whose main side effect is sensitivity to sunlight. 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:18.880 I don't know if that's neither here nor there. But also, 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:20.960 there isn't really malaria in Iraq. 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:22.120 Really. 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:25.640 Yeah, it's strange to take such a big precaution on 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.960 something that isn't really a need over there. Laura Howell 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.439 is now a widow with two children, and she blames 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:35.879 larium for what happened after her husband, a veteran Green Beret, 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:39.240 returned home in March two thousand and four. Chief Warrant 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:42.040 Officer William Howell went from normal to murderous in a 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:44.320 half hour and ended his life in his front yard. 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:44.960 With a bullet to the head. 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:46.080 Oh my god. 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:49.200 Critics of the drug believe Larium is connected to the 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:52.439 surge and military suicides in two thousand and three, when 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:55.760 twenty three people deployed took their own lives, and then 1:15:56.040 --> 1:16:01.679 after larium was halted any rock the suicide rate draw. Wow, 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:07.040 just like they said, I so is the evidence anecdotal 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:11.559 or what? Because this doesn't seem very anecdotal to me. Yeah, 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:14.479 and with fort Bragg. These articles don't stop like this 1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:17.559 episodes from two thousand and five, but like shit is 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:21.040 still going down there. So with this case, it's like 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:23.679 was it the drug or was it someone that committed 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:25.400 a crime and then is trying to get out of it, 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:28.160 Like I don't really know. But in twenty eighteen, a 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.919 soldier asked the Supreme Court to consider that the malaria 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:33.760 drug may have played a role in his murder of 1:16:33.800 --> 1:16:39.360 sixteen Afghan civilians. So Sergeant Robert Bales in twenty thirteen 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:42.120 was sentenced to life without parole by a military jury. 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:45.840 But he was taking this drug, and the lawyers do 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:49.759 thing it contributed to his behavior. And so this drug, 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:54.280 Mephila queen, was developed by the army in the nineteen seventies. 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:57.280 It's not new, and it's been linked to disturbing neurological 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.360 and psychiatric side effects since then. It's just hard because 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:04.120 in the four Fort Bragg cases that we're talking about 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:06.080 up top, only two of the men were on the drug, 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:06.840 not all of them. 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.760 So it's like hard to. 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:13.200 Say it was the drug when two of them didn't 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:16.120 do it all these killings. The Washington Post said, echo, 1:17:16.640 --> 1:17:18.880 I do not use the word echo, but they did, 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:22.360 they echo like past cases. So the most notorious slang 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:25.800 ever at Fort Bragg was in this nineteen seventy killing. 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:31.519 This guy killed his wife and two daughters. Yeah, Captain 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:34.880 Jeffrey MacDonald, who was a Special Forces doctor, and he 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:37.880 was convicted in nineteen seventy nine for the crime. And 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:41.679 there were other instances of murderous violence at Fort Bragg 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:45.280 before this deadly summer. So in October nineteen ninety five, 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:48.320 William Brutzer Junior opened fire on fellow members of the 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:52.200 eighty second Airborne who were on a morning run, and 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.920 he killed an officer and wounded eighteen other soldiers. Then 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:59.000 that same year ninety five, just a few months later, 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.240 in December three, white Fort Bragg soldiers shot and killed 1:18:02.240 --> 1:18:05.040 a black couple in Fayetteville in a racist skinhead initiation. 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:06.200 Oh my god. 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:09.240 And that is reported by the Washington Post according to 1:18:09.320 --> 1:18:12.240 prosecutors of the case. And the none of this is isolated, 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:14.000 Like I said, so in two thousand and eight from 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:17.759 NBC News at this article starts off in quotes. 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:19.799 This is a two thousand and eight NBC article. 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:23.040 For the third time in four months, a female soldier 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:25.400 based at Fort Bragg is dead and a husband or 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:29.040 lover is charged with murder. So that's two thousand and eight. 1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:31.080 So all the four crimes I told you the murder 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:33.920 of Summer, that's two thousand and two. And they're saying like, oh, 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:36.400 we're fine, We're fine. And then in two thousand and eight, 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:40.040 like three other women in four months are killed by 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:44.160 a partner. Yeah, and again officials that Fort Bragg said 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:48.559 deaths are unrelated, regardless of any tragic similarities. Carol Darby, 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:51.600 a spokesperson for the Army Special Operations Command, said the 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:55.640 Army had no reason to be overly concerned for the 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:58.960 personal safety of female soldiers. I think those dead ones 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:03.519 would disagree. And then there's a Connecticut based foundation called 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.559 Miles Foundation and that it provides domestic violence assistance to 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:10.840 military wives. It is such a huge issue that there's 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.680 a whole foundation to help these women, and yet the 1:19:13.800 --> 1:19:17.120 military just does not want to acknowledge it. And she 1:19:17.240 --> 1:19:21.000 said that her case slowed quadrupled during the wars in 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:25.960 the Iraq and Afghanistan. And this Darby bitch continues to 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:28.599 NBC News that there are no indicators that we are 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:30.320 aware of that pinpoint and trend. 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:31.920 This is an anomaly. 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:36.080 How is it an anomaly when it keeps being patterned 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:37.479 and happening all the time. 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:38.960 It's so confusing to me. 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:42.320 And like I said, the drama does not end, So 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.400 I'm going to talk about some stuff that happened after 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:48.559 this episode. But Rolling Stone has done a few giant articles. 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:51.840 But one was in April twenty twenty one that said 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:55.920 forty four Fort Bragg's soldiers died stateside in twenty twenty, 1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:58.840 and several of them were homicides, and the families want 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:01.760 answers and the army is giving any. Then there's a 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:04.960 People magazine article from December twenty twenty, and it is 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:07.639 about a Fort Bragg soldier who shot his pregnant wife 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:09.680 in front of their daughter before taking. 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:10.679 His own life. 1:20:11.320 --> 1:20:14.400 Another Fort Bragg soldier was charged in a twenty twenty 1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:19.479 with manslaughter of his wife. On Christmas Eve, October twenty 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:22.320 twenty one, a soldier station at Fort Bragg was charged 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:25.799 with murder for shooting his pregnant girlfriend while she drove 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:29.280 on a Georgia highway. And that's according to NBC News. 1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:30.400 Then another full. 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.320 Rolling Stone expos in twenty twenty two centers around a 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:37.000 case where a soldier, Enrique Roman Martinez, became one of 1:20:37.000 --> 1:20:40.160 the dozens of Fort Bragg soldiers to die recently under 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:41.600 unexplained circumstances. 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:42.960 He was beheaded. 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:44.639 What the fuck? 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:49.800 He was beheaded? Dude, and none of us. 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:51.840 You're in the military and your husband goes babe, we're 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:53.040 transferred to Fort Bragg. 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:53.800 What do you do? 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:57.599 I mean, run for the fucking hills. Yeah, why would 1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:01.400 you go there? This is like a death camp. Jesus. Yeah, 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:03.440 it's fucking disgusting. 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:07.240 And with Stabler being like, why would the military wanna 1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:08.200 hurt their people. 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:10.240 They don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck. 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.519 They'll explode your fucking children oversea. They do not care. 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:16.240 And I don't know why if they send you over 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:19.880 to die for oil money, Like, what makes you think 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:24.400 they care about this. I'm sure this Roche laboratories or 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:26.400 something has a deal with the military. 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:28.240 I'm sure they're all investing. 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:31.439 I'm sure everyone in the Pentagon is investing in these 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:32.720 medical companies. 1:21:33.240 --> 1:21:33.760 It's like that. 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:37.200 Woman in Georgia in Congress that started like investing in 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:41.559 Zoom and masks and shit, knowing that COVID was gonna happen. 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:44.519 Like these people, there has to be more to it. 1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:49.920 They're fucking denial and it's it's disgusting, and like I said, 1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:50.839 there's no surprise. 1:21:51.600 --> 1:21:52.680 This is not isolated. 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:55.200 Studies have shown that military couples have a higher rate 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.479 of domestic abuse, sometimes two or even five times more 1:21:58.520 --> 1:21:59.519 than the general public. 1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:02.800 They want to deny it. They're all fucking delulu. 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:07.200 Retired Air Force Colonel John Carney is quoted in the 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:11.000 La Times saying, I don't think our jobs create unique 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:13.080 problems that would make someone to do this. 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:17.599 There's more stress for all of us these days. What 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:18.840 are you talking about. 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.640 Definitely murdering their wives because milk is a little bit 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:23.639 more expensive than usual, for sure. 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:25.960 But my thing is like they're asking like, oh, yeah, 1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:29.240 we're not unique, we don't have unique problems, but try 1:22:29.360 --> 1:22:32.960 to treat a military person like their regular Yeah, they 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:36.200 want to be fucking treated special. They're boarding the place, 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:38.120 it's like, oh, thank you so much for your service. 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:39.240 You're doing so much. 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:41.680 But now all of a sudden you're saying, oh no, no, 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.439 our jobs are just the same thing. 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:44.839 They're not working at a bank. 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:48.559 There's no unique problems, So then stop wanting special treatment, 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:52.519 which one is it are you? Are you thank you 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:54.960 for your service or are you just any other job 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:58.519 and nothing is connected. I can't believe all this information 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:01.439 is publicly out there, all of these stories. 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:02.519 No one gives a shit. 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:06.599 Fuck the military, fuck Fort Bragg, and yeah, fuck fuck 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:09.559 everyone crazy and. 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:13.280 All these people think they support the troops. No, you don't. 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:15.400 If you supported the troops, you would not support this 1:23:15.520 --> 1:23:18.160 kind of shit. Fort Bragg should be shut down. Your 1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:23.479 soldier is found beheaded and it's business as usual. There's 1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:28.639 a woman buried on your fucking property. 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:32.320 And you had no idea. You're the military. 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:33.719 My brother's been there. 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:36.400 I think my brother was at Fort Bragg first in 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:40.200 North Carolina. I'm sure, no, I mean now he's in 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:43.439 the reserve, but like you know, no, I know, but yeah, yeah, 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:44.040 oh I. 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:44.559 Gotta ask him. 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:46.240 I gotta ask about this. I gotta be like, are 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:47.519 they still giving this drug out? 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:51.240 And do you get the Pensagon said they stopped in 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:54.000 O five with this one, but maybe they're using a different. 1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:54.960 Malaria drug, like who knows? 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:58.759 Yeah, oh god, but thank you for doing all this research. 1:23:58.800 --> 1:23:59.840 It's very infuriating. 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:02.200 It's insane. It's insane. 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:06.240 I like can't like reading it all in this because 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:08.320 this is like articles throughout spanning two decades. 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:10.519 But it's like, I don't know how you deny it. 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:12.760 I don't know how that continues to just deny it. 1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:16.599 Oh yeah whatever. Oh I'm a bunch of women died 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:18.920 in the past, has. 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:19.920 Been denying things. 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:20.880 I mean everybody. 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:23.680 They're all covering their own fucking asses and trying to 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:25.000 get more kids to sign up. 1:24:25.840 --> 1:24:27.680 It's crazy. That's crazy. 1:24:28.600 --> 1:24:28.880 Shit. 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:32.720 Get these people the help they need. They're doing a 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:34.040 very stressful job. 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.240 No, because I think if you start being introspective and 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:39.200 going to therapy, you're not gonna want to be in 1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:39.920 the military. 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:43.479 All right, thank you. We've got a great guest to 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:56.040 cleanse the palette. Now, everybody, don't go anywhere our guests today. Wow, 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:59.120 we are so pumped. An incredible talent. You guys have 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:02.599 seen her on Transparent and Your Honor as well as 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:05.240 the Cohen Brothers film A Serious Man. But you know 1:25:05.280 --> 1:25:09.840 we're today as Missus Callahan, Jamie Callahan, the wife of 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:15.120 Tommy Callahan. Please enjoy our chat with the amazing Amy Landaker. 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:19.520 We are so excited. S View Royalty two episodes. 1:25:19.880 --> 1:25:22.479 Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.800 You know, it's the one that you aren't asking me 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.120 about with Mike will ask you all of it. Okay, Well, 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:31.560 it was definitely my very first guestar in New York, 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:35.479 very very Uh, it's very close to my heart. 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:36.439 I have a good story about that. 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.439 Oh yeah, well I did see that it was so 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:42.120 early in your IMDb. I'm like, this is your first 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:45.479 big thing, Like I would feel incredible if I booked. 1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:48.200 That has to be you so early in my career. Yeah, 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:48.960 that was just so. 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:57.200 I was like thirty four. Well, so I lived in Chicago. Uh, 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:01.680 And I was like a big six usful lucky voiceover 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:03.840 in Chicago. So I made like a very good living 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:07.800 and I didn't have any plans of moving, you know, 1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:09.800 out of Chicago. I was just going to be like 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:12.800 a theater actor, voiceover actor. But did you go to 1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:15.960 all the Town Alehouse a lot A little bit yay? 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:18.960 Right by Second City. I was more Stepan wool I 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:24.680 was more O'Rourke's. Was our hangout the bar across the 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:29.519 street there. But but yeah, I did a play at 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:32.080 the Goodman called Blue Surge, and it went to New 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:36.320 York and I ended up going to do it in 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:39.280 New York at the Public Theater, and my boyfriend at 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:42.200 the time moved east so he was a professor at 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:44.840 a college near there, so I had this kind of 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:47.640 incentive to try New York for a while so I 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:51.040 could be near him, and the assistant director of Valentine 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.080 and Frati of that play had an extra bedroom and 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:56.880 health kitchen in her apartment, and so I moved on. 1:26:57.240 --> 1:26:59.880 I sort of found myself in New York and which 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:02.559 opens up a lot more like guest star stuff. I 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:04.519 had done a little bit against star in Chicago, but 1:27:04.560 --> 1:27:07.120 we didn't get a lot of those because I did, 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:09.439 like the biggest one I got was Early Edition, which 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:12.479 was this show with like Kyle, Yeah. 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:15.600 Is that the show really get the newspaper and it 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:17.680 has like right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah right. 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:22.679 So when the finale, they had so many like guest 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.680 stars that they had to hire one locally because they 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:28.000 didn't have the budget because normally they just always bring 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:29.920 them in for New York or LA. So I did 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:31.720 it to do like one real guest star, which kind 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:34.320 of definitely wet my whistle on TV stuff, But there 1:27:34.360 --> 1:27:36.000 just wasn't a lot of that in Chicago. 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.719 So anyway, when you're in New York, everybody wants. 1:27:39.479 --> 1:27:41.200 To get on Law and Order, right, like that is 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:44.880 the job, that is what every actor gets to do. 1:27:46.240 --> 1:27:49.720 And I was lucky enough to get this guest star. 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:51.559 And I can't remember the name of that episode. It's 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:56.120 not coolive, but that one's called Rotten. Rotten, Okay, so rotten. 1:27:56.600 --> 1:27:58.680 First of all, the funny story about Rotten is that 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:02.639 my character was a originally written as this woman who 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:05.280 sleeps with police because she has like a thing for them. 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:08.639 I think they call them like cop bunnies or something. 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:13.000 And so she had this like way of talking that 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:16.840 was like more like you know, her vernacular was more 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:20.160 sort of I don't know, like rough around the edges. 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:24.720 And they changed the character to his girlfriend, and they 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:27.720 didn't change the language, which I thought was really hysterical. 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:28.080 No. 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:30.719 I just said to kind of like, now I'm a nurse, 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:32.680 but I'm still sort of talking out the side of 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.840 my mouth, which were which actually in New York works 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.120 absolutely fine. Yeah, but in my mind I was like, oh, 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.439 I have to sort of soften this up. And I 1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:43.920 did this little monologue. I had this little monologue like 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:47.120 I don't know, both episodes, I'm like this tough girl 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:51.599 kind of vibe going on. But they Marishka and now 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:55.000 I'm very lucky to be pretty close friends with Marishka, 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:56.240 which blows my mind. 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:58.320 Yeah, I know special. 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:01.400 And I've told her this story so many times because 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:03.840 I really mean it, Like it was a huge deal 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:06.800 to me. When I was done, she said, if you 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.720 keep work, if you keep doing work like that, You're 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:11.000 going to work the rest of your life. 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:11.519 Wow. 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:14.680 And I was like, oh my god. I was like, 1:29:15.000 --> 1:29:19.200 oh my god, Like it meant so much to me. 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:23.600 I mean, obviously I was so nervous, and you know, 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:28.120 she's an icon. Yeah, I couldn't believe how nice she 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:31.080 was to me and supportive. And I told her like 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.640 it was just a huge deal to hear that, like huge, Yeah, 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:39.599 she was right, Wow, lucky lucky so far. 1:29:39.960 --> 1:29:40.840 Yeah yeah. 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:43.280 And then I kind of got into this like era 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.439 of I did every I think I did every Law 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:46.880 and order, so there's like. 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.599 You know, you wait to do the Mothership. I did 1:29:49.760 --> 1:29:51.639 like criminal Intent. 1:29:51.800 --> 1:29:55.640 I was recurring on that, and then I did like conviction, 1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:57.679 which was on for like a year. 1:29:58.280 --> 1:29:58.960 I do have a. 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.040 Question about Goliah right off the bat, I mean the 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:03.120 curls were popping. 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:04.479 Oh my god. 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:07.840 I mean I just I did watch it yesterday with 1:30:07.880 --> 1:30:11.160 my friend Hallie for Chicago. Were like old theater buddies 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:13.639 and well she was Altimar right now, that doesn't matter, 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:15.839 but just in case someone's like Hallie doesn't live in Chicago, 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.000 she's to work at step and Wolf and I'm I 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:20.400 was like, I'm going to do this podcast Tomorre. 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:21.080 I didn't want to watch. 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:23.760 I haven't watched this episode in forever, and we were 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:29.040 just like I've always had really interesting Well I had 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:31.680 short hair back in the day. My ex husband like 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:33.920 short hair, which I have to tell you, I feel 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:36.880 like sort of kept my on camera career not going 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:40.439 further for a long time because short haired women are 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:43.600 not the leads on television shows. They are in commercials 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:47.240 or they are guest stars. So that is just a fact. 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:51.519 Like even la Rishka Hargate's like trajectory is like season one, 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:53.960 she has like a little long hair and then she 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:56.280 cut it into this pixie and apparently she thought she 1:30:56.320 --> 1:30:58.679 was going to lose her job because it's like like. 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:01.400 Nobody wants to see that. Like Carrie Russell, do we 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:04.599 remember that, Yes, I don't know what it is. 1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:07.600 I don't know what it is, but there's such a 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:12.200 thing about it and it's so anyway. I I didn't 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:14.400 know that until I grew my hair wander and started 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:19.280 to get bigger jobs. But but I don't think it 1:31:19.400 --> 1:31:24.360 ever looked good on camera. I mean because the hair 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:27.240 people got bless them wanted to you know, they didn't 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:28.760 know my hair. They didn't know how to spile it. 1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:31.280 You're there like they've never met, You're there for a day. 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:35.360 And I, to this day, I'm still slucky at this. 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:38.439 I refuse to like advocate for myself and be like 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.320 that looks kind of weird, Like, yeah. 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:42.639 I'm too much of a people pleaser. 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.120 And the biggest example of this was actually not that 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:52.280 lovely dude, but I was in a movie called Oh God, 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:54.040 this is by the way. 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:57.639 My age is my brain. The hormones are not they're 1:31:57.640 --> 1:31:58.840 not functioning at their. 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:03.639 Highest IMDb open Steve Carell, So Steve Carrell, Oh don't 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:05.240 like Dan or something like that. 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:08.280 Yeah Dan Dan in real life? Right? Yeah? So Dan in. 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:11.519 Real life was my first movie scene, like big movie 1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:14.160 of my career, and it was really exciting. It was 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:16.519 with Steve Carrell and I'm like, oh my god, I'm 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:19.400 gonna be the same with Steve Carell. But I had 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:22.320 this really cute short haircut if you knew how to 1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:27.439 style it, but they didn't. And I came the trailer, 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:30.840 the hair trailer, and the woman who was doing costumes 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:33.680 was like, you know, you can tell them if you 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:37.559 want them to change your hair, and I was like, uh, oh, 1:32:37.600 --> 1:32:39.760 it's fine, No, it's fine, Like I just wouldn't say 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:42.760 anything about anything. So I'm in this movie I and 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:44.320 I tried to justify it. I'm like, well, she's from 1:32:44.320 --> 1:32:47.200 the Midwest, and she's like, I always find a character. 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:50.120 Reason for it, which I did with the curls yesterday. 1:32:50.200 --> 1:32:54.439 So so then I'm getting my haircut in La like 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:57.960 by the woman who did the original short haircut a 1:32:58.040 --> 1:32:59.600 year and a half later or something, and she was like, 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:02.040 I saw this movie a long time ago, last year, 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:03.800 and there was this woman who looked so much likely 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:07.160 that she had like literally the worst haircut. 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:11.559 That's me. And the thing was so shorter. 1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.760 She saw it on a plane or whatever that like 1:33:13.920 --> 1:33:15.640 she just did it put it together that it was 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:18.519 actually me. And you can't even make that story up, 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.599 like it sounds like, I'm making it up, but that's 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:22.439 how bad the hair was. 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:24.320 Wait, but did you say it was me? Or you 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:25.120 didn't say anything? 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:25.360 Oh? 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:28.080 Yeah, of course I did. Did she feel did she feel? 1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:29.799 How did she feel about her bad haircut? 1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:34.040 Because it wasn't a bad haircut, they just style it. 1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:35.280 No. 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:37.400 I was like, that was my haircut, that was you, 1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:39.599 that was me, And she was like, oh my god, 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:42.280 what did they do to it? I'm like, curled it, 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:46.559 you know, they curled a short haircut, not you know, not. 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:50.360 Yeah, it was flipping and flipping those curls. Yeah. Yeah, 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:52.160 So on that yesterday. 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:54.559 I don't know how that got decided that I had 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:59.280 curly hair, but I thought, well that I sort of 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:02.800 thought it made her feel. This is gonna sound really 1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:06.479 condescending and probably offend people, but like working class that 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.000 she had, Like like I imagine she had really curly 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:11.040 hair and she doesn't like straighten it because she's like, 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:13.880 doesn't have time and she's pregnant and life's hard. 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:15.759 That's that was my justification yesterday. 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.320 Okay, that works. That works. 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:23.719 She's a pregnant woman whose husband is going possibly insane. Yeah, 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:27.320 then your nurse character. I hate to say this feels 1:34:27.360 --> 1:34:30.200 like she would have voted for Trump. She loves cops. 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:35.120 I think she loves she's like killed drug dealers. It's 1:34:35.120 --> 1:34:38.000 totally fine, you know, I think Unfortunately, Wait. 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.600 I'm sorry, but I'm vote. I'm voting for Trump. Is 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:41.280 there a problem with. 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:45.880 Oh, it's weird because I did go to your Instagram 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:48.600 and now even thought the feeling that you were not 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:50.880 on that side. But I did play that trick on 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:52.840 a doctor I had once. I was like, well, I'm 1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:55.240 voting for Trump, and he goes and that's totally fine, 1:34:55.280 --> 1:34:56.599 and I was like, I'm kidding, Like. 1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:00.640 But here's what's weird. Half the world, the country, I know, 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:01.599 but for. 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:03.200 Some reason, in LA it feels like we can just 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:06.000 joke about it because who would possibly be in our bubble? 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:09.160 Yeah, yeah, in our bubble, no doubt about it. 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:13.760 Wait, so they made you audition for the second part too? 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:17.719 Oh yeah, do you remember for everything? Everything there? Because 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:20.160 I wasn't No one knew me. I wasn't a name 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:20.639 at all. 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:23.760 I mean now I will Now I'm at the point 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:25.920 of my career where I get offers on guest stars, 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:27.360 Like I don't have to audition for guest stars. 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:29.800 But that didn't happen until after Transparent. 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:33.519 Yeah, that I was ever even I always had to audition. 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:35.280 But then if you're like the lead in the series 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:37.240 and there's enough work out there and I've. 1:35:37.120 --> 1:35:40.679 Done enough, you know, people, you don't have to anymore. 1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:43.920 But but back then you had to. You had to 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:45.240 go in every time. 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:47.679 Do you remember back in like your New York days, 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:50.759 ever seeing like another actor that you would like always see, 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:52.800 Like we always hear people say like, oh, yeah, I'm 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:55.080 always in the same room with like Julie Bowen, or 1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:57.120 like I'm always in the same waiting room with whoever. 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:00.200 Like I remember, I was always when I was New 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:03.200 York auditioning for voiceovers and commercials and stuff, I was 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:05.040 always in the same room with the same like five 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:08.240 girls and like the broad City girls, you know, like 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:11.120 people that ended up doing things right, you know. 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:13.920 I mean, I think more by it's definitely a voice 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:14.479 sober I had. 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:18.120 We had all the same girls like every job, every audition, 1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:21.439 and we all became like incredibly close friends. I don't 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:24.120 think I was like as connected yet because I was 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.439 new to New York to like the theater, the theater 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:28.120 women like I would see the same faces but I 1:36:28.160 --> 1:36:30.439 couldn't name them to you right now, you know, it 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:33.519 wasn't like like more out here in LA you start 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:36.920 to really get like who you're you know, who your 1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:39.839 crowd is. It's so funny because I think her name's 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:45.480 Kim Savage. But I was at an event on Sunday 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:49.719 Andrea Savage okay, and people, a bunch of people, sorry, 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:51.240 a bunch of people came up to me and they 1:36:51.240 --> 1:36:54.840 were like, we we love I'm sorry, and I was. 1:36:54.880 --> 1:36:58.600 Like, yeah, you guys don't have a similar vibe I 1:36:58.600 --> 1:36:59.920 which I was totally. 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:04.760 She's younger than me and I was like, oh god, no, 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:08.000 that's not me. But I met her at a party actually, 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:10.200 and she told me that she gets me a lot. 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:15.120 And then I always get Amy Brenneman. But Amy Brennan 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:17.400 was not auditioning when I came out here, but she 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:20.639 was who everybody thought I was. It was like, especially 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:22.760 because my name was Amy, to the point that like 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:24.680 someone came out to me at sundance and was like. 1:37:24.640 --> 1:37:26.360 How are you doing? And I was like, I'm great. 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:29.800 How's your husband and I said, oh, we got divorced 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:34.400 and she was like what what you and Brad And 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:35.920 this is before I was with Bradley went for my 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:36.800 ex husband Jackson. 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:38.800 I was like Brad, I was like, oh you think 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:41.479 I made me Brenneman Now I just like now, I 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:43.519 like even cut it off before it happens. 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:46.720 But like my genre was like Pamela Adlon, there was 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:50.280 an actress Amy Farrington was really great, Like we were 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.240 all the brunette, you know, a. 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:56.200 Certain vibe that we were always. 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:59.240 Up for the same stuff, but very not competitive the 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:01.719 way that people. I think when you're a character actor 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:05.599 or you're like a guest star, or you're come from theater, 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:08.080 there's a lot more community than there is in sort 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:12.800 of movies, you know, and being around really famous people, 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:15.360 it gets kind of weird because they get really isolated. 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:17.920 I really miss those New York people because I've been 1:38:17.960 --> 1:38:21.160 in La so long. There it was it was just 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:24.439 a great time. It was a really wonderful, fun time 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:27.600 and to come in late. I always talk about the 1:38:27.640 --> 1:38:29.559 fact that, like I moved to New York in my 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:32.760 thirties and a lot of people said to me, like, 1:38:33.240 --> 1:38:35.280 you know, agents that I would have like meet and 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:36.640 greets with there, Like I think you should just go 1:38:36.640 --> 1:38:39.280 back to Chicago because you're too old, and you don't 1:38:39.320 --> 1:38:41.280 have a pedigree. You're not from Yale, and you're not 1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:46.080 from you know, Juilliard, and you weren't an ensemble member 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:47.600 at Stuff Wolf, So I just don't think you're going 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:50.880 to work here. And I just, you know, stuck it 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:52.559 out and I was like, well. 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:55.200 I'm going to say it's awesome though, because I remember 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.839 actually like when you were started to become your star 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:01.280 was rising with transpar you know which both of us 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:05.760 watched Transparent and big fans love my heart. Yeah, but 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:09.600 like I remember, like my husband or something goes, oh 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:12.080 you know, I just heard Amy Landiker or something on 1:39:12.120 --> 1:39:15.759 a podcast talking about how really your career started popping 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:18.720 off in your mid forties, and I was like that, well, forty. 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:21.320 Was when I booked a serious man. Yeah, forty was 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:25.360 my first real breakthrough. Yeah, and then forty three. 1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:28.240 I think was Transparent, Yeah, when I got cast in that. 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:30.439 And I don't I want to talk about it all 1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.880 the time because I want people, I want, especially want women. 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:38.400 Actors to know, yes, is it hard? Are we? But 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:43.120 I have this great acting teacher, Leslie Khan. I con yeah, 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:45.679 I love Legli Cohn. Yes, almost told me to stop 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:48.439 wrinkling my forehead. Oh yeah, I know. She was big 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:51.160 on that. She loved she loved botox because she was like, 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:52.679 I don't have to tell well anymore. 1:39:52.720 --> 1:39:55.439 She finally she said it so many times to me 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:56.080 that I went up. 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:56.600 I went up to her. 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:58.840 I was like, listen, this is just my face when 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:00.920 I'm listening, Like I would crinkle my forehead. Now I 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:03.280 get botox. And she was like, and I was like, 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:04.600 so do you think I should get botox? And she 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:06.639 wouldn't come out and just say it, but I knew. 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:09.639 That right right well, And it's sort of she can 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:12.479 really annoy people with that stuff too, because it can 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:15.040 get you in your head, and she knows that, like 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:19.160 it's not you know, that's a rough note. Sometimes it's like, well, 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:22.960 I'm expressing myself by the way, you know, Julia Louis 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:27.000 Dreyfus wrinkles her forehead extensively, as does my husband Bradley 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:30.160 Whitford's forehead is like a train, you know, there's like 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:31.080 train tracks. 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:35.360 That's expression. So but she was also very savvy about, 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:38.519 you know, how you look on camera, attractiveness blah blah 1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:39.400 blah blah blah. 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:42.000 But what I loved about her for me was she 1:40:42.240 --> 1:40:45.400 was just like, you know, there's like, yeah, there's a rule, 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:47.800 but that means there's an exception, and why can't you 1:40:47.840 --> 1:40:49.320 be the exception to the rule? 1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:49.760 You know? 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:54.360 And that really stuck with me, Like, you know, there's 1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:58.559 always an exception, and eventually the exception, you know, will 1:40:58.760 --> 1:40:59.960 will topple the rule. 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:01.840 And and you know, I mean we're. 1:41:01.720 --> 1:41:05.080 Experiencing that now in our political you know, everyone's like terrified, 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:09.719 was this country ready to elect African American? Well she's 1:41:09.760 --> 1:41:14.360 Jamaican her dad's side, but an Indian woman, and it's like, well, 1:41:14.400 --> 1:41:16.360 we won't know until we do it, right, I mean, 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:19.040 like we got to break so as a woman in 1:41:19.080 --> 1:41:21.080 my forties when a lot of people are like, oh, 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:24.559 you're dead, and you know you're on people swear on 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:28.760 your podcast, Oh yeah, you're unsuckable, right, I mean, I 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.599 was lucky enough to get into a series where I 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:35.080 was treated as like a very overly sexual human. 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:36.680 Very extremely fuckable. 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:39.360 Yeah, oh my gosh. 1:41:39.360 --> 1:41:41.080 And so yeah, and then so you and then you 1:41:41.080 --> 1:41:47.640 met your husband on that another SVUM you about this 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:49.480 is the best story. 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:52.439 This is the very best story. The only reason that 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:55.800 I am married to Bradley Woodford the love of my 1:41:55.880 --> 1:42:00.000 life is because he did Law and Order. Wait what Yeah, 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:03.280 so Bradley was going to be one of the It 1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:06.120 was sort of a snob about. I think it was 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:07.760 more of a game like, I'm going to be one 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:10.160 of the few actors in the world. But has never 1:42:10.240 --> 1:42:12.680 done a Law in Order. So he never did it, 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:15.200 like back in the day. He just like you know, 1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:19.120 through his whole career, never did one. He gets a call, 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:24.080 you know, I guess this is eleven years ago that 1:42:24.560 --> 1:42:28.400 Jeffrey Tambour is going to be doing this SVU and 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:31.040 he would do all the scenes with Jeffrey, and Bradley 1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:34.440 had always wanted to work with Jeffrey. So Bradley decides 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:38.519 to say yes to this, and on that set, Jeffrey 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:41.120 Tambour looks at Bradley goes, you know, I'm doing this 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:45.160 new sort of weird web series and there which was 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:46.640 because we didn't know at the time that they were 1:42:46.680 --> 1:42:49.600 TV shows. We didn't know what the right Amazon there's 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:52.479 right and there's a part in it that's perfect for you. 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:57.240 And so Jeffrey recommended Bradley to Joey and that is 1:42:57.400 --> 1:42:59.599 why he was on Transparent and I would not have 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:01.759 met him if he hadn't done law in Order SBU 1:43:01.960 --> 1:43:04.040 How crazy is that one? Which we also told We 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:07.280 also told her Riska that I feel like I just 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:10.320 like and then and then he's been back a second time. 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:13.000 He came back in a more recent season and. 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:15.200 Now he the our podcast. This is huge. 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:20.160 Yeah, and then he did on the Moon, but like, 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:23.360 which was a huge episode for her, was like one 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:25.760 of her favorite He's one of her favorite actors. Also, 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:28.800 by the way, if I didn't know how in love 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:31.479 she was with her husband and how in love hopefully 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:33.479 my husband is me, I would be jealous of how 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:36.920 much they love each other. They are a great team. 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:41.160 They are hysterical together. They should have their own sitcom. 1:43:41.320 --> 1:43:44.600 I'm not even kidding. They did like a whatever the 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:46.040 big number was it twenty. 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:49.640 Five years of the BESTBA or something season was twenty five. Yeah. 1:43:49.760 --> 1:43:52.080 She came to La to do like an Emmy panel 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:54.760 thing and Hey moderated, and I'm telling you, I was like, 1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:58.920 they they're the funniest two people together in the world. 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:01.840 But she they became very close after that. 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:04.439 They got along really great, and that's given me access 1:44:04.479 --> 1:44:05.040 to her. 1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:09.439 Her lovely uh Manhattan Life. 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:15.599 I thought that she like, wow, twenty five years, twenty 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:18.679 two episodes a year, you really, uh, you really break 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:20.720 it in You sure not. 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:23.840 To mention it's on seven different channels at all times 1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:25.000 of the day the same. 1:44:25.280 --> 1:44:27.000 What's so great about her? And the only reason you 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:28.600 like don't hate her is she's always like can you 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:30.880 believe this? Can you can you believe that? 1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:34.439 Like she's not like she's super enjoy of all of 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:37.599 it and very generous around it, so you don't want 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:38.160 to kill her. 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:41.960 But yeah, so that's Bradley is also SBU. 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:45.360 I don't wait till I hope one day we see 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:48.479 Marishikan sitcoms again, because pre sv usually have so. 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:52.240 Much fun out there, and I write, I should. 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:53.800 Write them a comedy like I. 1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:59.720 I've just finished my first like romantic comedy. 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:02.080 I saw I am dB. I want to hear about that. 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:05.920 Well, it's not. I just finished it and it's not. 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:11.160 We are in the process of submitting, submitting to festivals, 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:14.479 which is why I haven't done any kind of public posting. 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:16.800 We're sort of waiting to see if it finds a 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:23.040 home there. But it's called for worse and it's a 1:45:23.080 --> 1:45:26.960 wedding movie, romantic comedy that was very low budget and 1:45:27.200 --> 1:45:30.599 very done under a sag ultra low budget, very quickly. 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:31.880 But I was lucky enough to. 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:35.960 Have kind of an insane cast, and so I think, 1:45:37.160 --> 1:45:39.240 under the limitations that it's in, it was. 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:42.000 It turned out. I'm really, really, really happy with it. 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:46.920 But Bradley is in it, Nico Haraga, who's this young 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:51.360 up and coming sort of model skater guy who is 1:45:51.880 --> 1:45:55.480 just lovely and funny, and Gabby Hoffman. 1:45:55.280 --> 1:46:02.160 Was in it, and Ken Marino Missy Kyle wait on 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:02.960 our podcast. 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:06.719 Oh really yeah cool, Yeah, she plays my best friend. 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:10.479 I just had some really great comedic actors, and so 1:46:10.520 --> 1:46:13.479 it just I was really lucky it was. 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:16.240 I it just I think it's funny. 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:19.920 I like the I mean, at least the premise that 1:46:19.920 --> 1:46:21.520 that's written as a one line. 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:22.840 On uh on. 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.200 Like it's like a newly divorced, sober mom goes to 1:46:26.240 --> 1:46:28.160 a wedding with a much younger date and behaves like 1:46:28.160 --> 1:46:30.160 a drunk twenty five year old bridesmaid to try to 1:46:30.240 --> 1:46:31.360 keep up love it. 1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:33.920 Wait, this might be weird, but if you had to 1:46:33.960 --> 1:46:39.040 fuck Mary kill right direct act, what would you pick? 1:46:41.240 --> 1:46:41.759 So funny? 1:46:41.760 --> 1:46:43.800 Because I had to take my friend Hallie through the 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:45.400 whole Taylor's swift saga. 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:47.360 She didn't understand all of it, and we got to 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:50.799 the fuck Mary kiss kill Mary. 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:53.040 That was what it was. Oh yeah, yeah, it was. 1:46:53.400 --> 1:46:57.280 The Travis you made it a little wrong, cheer. We 1:46:57.320 --> 1:47:01.320 went down the whole rabbit hole of so wait. Oh 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:05.760 out of the three, I mean, honestly, hmm, that's a 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:08.040 really okay so kill what does it? 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:08.400 Kill? 1:47:09.200 --> 1:47:14.360 Mary? Kill? Fuck Mary kill? Fuck acting because acting is. 1:47:14.280 --> 1:47:20.639 Always like the most emotional and intense and insane. Kill 1:47:20.640 --> 1:47:27.839 writing because it's so fucking isolating, so hard, and Mary directing. 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:30.080 I love directing, and I also feel like. 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:34.599 There's something you know, there's there's always something slightly humiliating 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:37.400 about acting, like you're always at the mercy of everybody else, 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:41.400 and your opinions aren't always taken, and no, you're. 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:43.400 Always like you can't say when your hair looks bad 1:47:43.439 --> 1:47:45.160 and stuff exactly. 1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:48.080 And the business always makes you feel very replaceable. 1:47:48.320 --> 1:47:50.280 You know, it's always like, well, if you can't do it, well, 1:47:50.360 --> 1:47:54.640 there's a thousand people equally talented right behind you. So 1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:58.200 directing feels like something that and writing does too. But 1:47:58.320 --> 1:48:03.639 directing feels like something that's social and also you get 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:06.360 to have a lot of creative input and you're sort 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:08.519 of in charge. I guess I really like being in charge, 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:10.519 because boy did I enjoy directing that movie. 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:11.519 I was like, this is. 1:48:11.479 --> 1:48:15.479 My jam and people were really I felt like I 1:48:15.560 --> 1:48:18.720 learned from the best directors that I've worked with. I've 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:22.640 been doing this so long that I knew how what 1:48:23.479 --> 1:48:26.200 people need on a set to feel good and my like, 1:48:26.240 --> 1:48:28.559 I felt like the biggest compliment was the fact that 1:48:28.640 --> 1:48:30.320 so many people said, like that was one of the 1:48:30.360 --> 1:48:32.200 best times they ever had, even though we had like 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:34.679 no time and no money. But I was like, because 1:48:34.720 --> 1:48:38.120 I know, I know what I know how, I know 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:40.040 what people need. They need to feel seen, they need 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:42.519 to feel like their opinions aren't being heard. 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:44.080 They need to get a chance to play. 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:46.120 You know, you get what you want and then you 1:48:46.200 --> 1:48:47.680 let them do what they want because you might get 1:48:47.680 --> 1:48:52.080 something unbelievable, you know, especially in comedy. So anyway, it 1:48:52.120 --> 1:48:54.639 was that that's a fun I think I and that's 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:56.400 what I've been thinking about, Like, what would I take 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:59.320 from that experience is like I probably love to direct 1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:00.560 some episodics television. 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:04.880 That was something that would come maybe an episode of 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:08.120 Yeah you had a connection over. 1:49:08.000 --> 1:49:09.080 A long or SEU. 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.240 Right now, I'm being totally honest. 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:16.320 I'm really more interested in comedy. 1:49:16.360 --> 1:49:19.000 That's my new my new thing, even as an actor. Now, 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:22.240 I told my whole team that's what I wanted. I 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:25.400 think as I've gotten older, I really love. 1:49:26.600 --> 1:49:29.559 Lapping at work and not I've done a lot of 1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:33.720 hardcore drama stuff, like on stage and as I mean, 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:35.559 there was a time when I went through my divorce 1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:41.479 in LA I was so emotional and like raw that 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:44.720 I booked nine guest stars in a year that my 1:49:44.760 --> 1:49:46.920 agent said they've never seen and I had audition for 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:48.760 every single one of them, and I just put, you 1:49:48.760 --> 1:49:51.839 could not give me a job that year because everybody 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:55.640 was like being murdered or my kid died or like 1:49:55.840 --> 1:50:00.040 something where I could channel this upset that I I 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:05.240 was going through. And you know, I just it's exhausting 1:50:05.520 --> 1:50:07.880 a little bit that kind of work, you know, and 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:12.120 it doesn't energize you the same way comedy energizes you, 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:12.320 you know. 1:50:13.640 --> 1:50:15.639 And now you're happy, so you want to do comedy, 1:50:15.680 --> 1:50:18.719 then well, right, very yeah, very very happy. 1:50:19.680 --> 1:50:22.080 But I do have to ask about a serious man 1:50:22.280 --> 1:50:25.559 I'm so, we're both so curious, you know about the 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:27.960 Coen Brothers and that extreme. 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:32.439 Yeah, that was an absolute fantasy job I had. I 1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:36.000 was not at that level in my career to get 1:50:36.120 --> 1:50:39.120 an audition for a Cohen Brothers movie. I happened to, 1:50:40.640 --> 1:50:43.880 uh be very very lucky to be in LA and 1:50:44.200 --> 1:50:47.559 Rachel Tenor, who used to be part of this Tenor 1:50:47.560 --> 1:50:50.799 Pascal casting company, who was who were great in Chicago, 1:50:51.439 --> 1:50:53.679 was now living in LA and was now their La 1:50:54.720 --> 1:50:57.800 point person for casting. And I was out here doing 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:02.000 a play and somebody flagged this audition for me from 1:51:02.040 --> 1:51:05.040 the Breakdowns, which is like how actress would be. You'd 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:06.920 like pay it for a service and steal these things 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:08.720 called the Breakdowns which you're not supposed to get, which 1:51:08.720 --> 1:51:11.280 is like everything that's being auditioned that's getting sent to 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:14.519 agents and managers. And so it got flagged by a 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:20.120 friend and I was like, it said on camera munity, 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:22.920 and I was like, I'm not I'll never get this, 1:51:23.000 --> 1:51:26.880 so I don't have to worry about that. 1:51:26.000 --> 1:51:26.200 You know. 1:51:26.240 --> 1:51:28.040 And I said to my husband at the time, I 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:29.280 was like, do you make do comunit? 1:51:29.320 --> 1:51:30.640 He's like, I mean, you look good, you look like 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:32.920 you had a baby, you know, and I was like, okay, great, 1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:35.360 and I was like, well, I'll never have to worry 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:37.120 about that because there's not a chance in how long 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:38.080 I'm going to get this movie. 1:51:38.280 --> 1:51:39.800 Like, not a chance. I'm just going to go in 1:51:39.840 --> 1:51:41.000 and say hi to Rachel, you know. 1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:42.599 So she called me in because we knew each other, 1:51:43.760 --> 1:51:45.800 and then I got this a callback and I was 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:46.920 just like wh. 1:51:49.200 --> 1:51:50.280 And then it was like, you're going to meet the 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:50.840 Coen Brothers. 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:53.960 And I was like, and I actually ran that audition 1:51:54.080 --> 1:51:57.680 in my class at Leslie Conn's before I went in, 1:51:58.240 --> 1:52:01.519 and she really helped me grounded in the fact that 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:05.080 she's like just remember she's like stoned the entire time, right, 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:07.679 And it sort of like gave me this this one 1:52:07.760 --> 1:52:09.360 thing that would take me kind of. 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:10.559 In this zone. 1:52:11.560 --> 1:52:16.320 And I went in and and I asked Paul Eielstein, 1:52:16.479 --> 1:52:19.519 who'd worked with them, you know, what to expect, and 1:52:19.560 --> 1:52:22.040 he's like, you know, they're there. They might not talk 1:52:22.160 --> 1:52:24.960 very much, they're not very talkative in auditions, and don't 1:52:25.120 --> 1:52:26.760 don't think that means you're not going to get it. 1:52:27.080 --> 1:52:29.320 Although what was interesting is they were very talkative with 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:31.400 me and wanted, you know, they really like. 1:52:31.680 --> 1:52:34.240 AFT a lot, and I had a sense that. 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:37.720 Like they really liked it, and Rachel was like, you 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:40.120 are on the short list, but they are very thorough 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:43.160 and this is just the beginning of this process. And 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:46.360 I waited like a really long time to find out 1:52:46.360 --> 1:52:48.280 that I got it, so long that in the meantime 1:52:48.320 --> 1:52:50.479 I got my first guest star in LA, which was. 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:51.080 On mad Men. 1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:56.000 Oh yeah, and Matt Weiner was like also very supportive. 1:52:56.080 --> 1:52:57.880 I always got a lot of really good feedback because 1:52:57.880 --> 1:52:59.439 I think as a theater actor, I was always like 1:52:59.479 --> 1:53:02.680 super prepared. I was pretty fearless, like a lot of 1:53:02.720 --> 1:53:04.680 stuff that like in that episode I was supposed to 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:07.120 like walk into a wall and he just couldn't believe 1:53:07.120 --> 1:53:07.760 how willing I. 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:10.240 Was really walking to the wall over and over again. 1:53:10.240 --> 1:53:12.639 I was kind of drunk. Tur name is Petra Coulson. 1:53:13.400 --> 1:53:17.519 But I he said that if there's anything I can 1:53:17.560 --> 1:53:19.320 do to help you in LA, and I was like, well, 1:53:19.320 --> 1:53:22.559 I auditioned for this Cone Brothers movie, Like I don't 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:24.200 know those guys, but good luck with that. I was 1:53:24.240 --> 1:53:26.400 like thanks, And it was so amazing because like a 1:53:26.479 --> 1:53:30.679 year later I was at the American Film Institute Awards luncheon, 1:53:30.680 --> 1:53:33.400 which is like a huge thing out here. It's really 1:53:33.439 --> 1:53:37.440 fun because it's like it's just all the great actors. 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:39.920 It's mostly actors, and it's film and TV and they 1:53:39.960 --> 1:53:43.120 picked like ten TV shows and ten movies and everybody's there. 1:53:43.640 --> 1:53:47.040 And I was there with a serious man when Madmon 1:53:47.160 --> 1:53:50.000 was also getting honored, and I got to like run 1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:52.519 into John and Matt again and they were hugging me 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:55.760 and remembered everything. They were like, you're still like. 1:53:56.200 --> 1:53:58.439 It was such an incredible and again in my. 1:53:58.479 --> 1:54:00.960 I think I was, you know, forty years old at 1:54:01.000 --> 1:54:05.599 that point and it was just amazing and also shooting 1:54:05.680 --> 1:54:08.400 though the only problem with the Coen Brothers is they 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:09.360 are too fast. 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:11.200 They are a machine. 1:54:11.560 --> 1:54:14.840 They I was having so much fun and I did 1:54:14.880 --> 1:54:17.679 not want it to end, and it just moved so quickly. 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:20.400 That was literally my only complaint. I'm like, I wish 1:54:20.920 --> 1:54:24.520 you know, I mean, it was just like they know everybody. 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:27.200 Like would have thought, that's a surprise. 1:54:27.680 --> 1:54:29.519 It's insane, And. 1:54:31.040 --> 1:54:33.280 Never change a word from the audition to the day 1:54:33.280 --> 1:54:37.920 that you shoot, Like most scripts are always reworked, and 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:40.680 to the point that they also have every single shot 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:44.560 is anim is drawn. They have somebody who draws their 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:47.560 frames so you also see your whole scene before you 1:54:47.600 --> 1:54:49.360 do it. Like they know every shot they're going to do, 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:52.520 every shot, and they use like the Saint Roger Deakins 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:55.480 as their DP. Like they've been a group of people 1:54:55.480 --> 1:54:57.840 who work together so long that they just are like 1:54:57.880 --> 1:54:58.400 a machine. 1:54:58.560 --> 1:54:59.800 It's like they know what people say. 1:55:00.760 --> 1:55:02.680 I mean that you go in there, everybody's going you 1:55:02.720 --> 1:55:03.680 go really bad out. 1:55:03.760 --> 1:55:05.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:55:05.160 --> 1:55:07.280 Although I've had longer day than a courtroom on a 1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:09.240 Law and Order than I did on. 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:10.080 The Coen Brothers. 1:55:10.400 --> 1:55:11.960 Just before we go, I do I do have an 1:55:12.000 --> 1:55:14.560 SVU note that I will. This isn't a question, but 1:55:14.880 --> 1:55:18.480 you know, part of like law and Order is people 1:55:18.520 --> 1:55:21.560 won't stop working as the cops are talking to them 1:55:21.760 --> 1:55:24.560 or someone died close to them and they are not reacting. 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:27.400 We've only talked to one other actress, and now you 1:55:27.440 --> 1:55:28.120 are the second. 1:55:28.520 --> 1:55:29.360 You told the truth. 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:33.000 You were helpful, you were focused, you were appropriately upset, 1:55:33.360 --> 1:55:36.160 you weren't doing a task, You cooperated and that was 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:39.960 with sas. So thank you for joining that high category 1:55:40.040 --> 1:55:42.440 of people that thank you responding. 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:48.280 That was funny though, is that Maloney was doing a 1:55:48.320 --> 1:55:51.840 crossword puzzle during all of the lias between takes. 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:54.480 And I was like, dude, I'm a rate victim. 1:55:56.200 --> 1:55:58.280 And then I realized, like once I got into TV 1:55:58.480 --> 1:56:02.040 more and how long and exhausting, and you know, he's 1:56:02.080 --> 1:56:04.000 they're like twenty four to seven, I was like, I 1:56:04.040 --> 1:56:06.120 get it now, I get why he Yeah, I mean 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:09.080 he didn't do it in the scene, granted, which would 1:56:09.080 --> 1:56:13.160 have been really inappropriate, but I was like so new 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:15.200 and not, you know, I just didn't. 1:56:15.360 --> 1:56:18.040 I didn't get that. Their hours are insane and they 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:21.440 and also emotionally, but people you can't possibly Yeah, people 1:56:21.480 --> 1:56:22.240 have that alls that. 1:56:22.280 --> 1:56:24.440 Like Marishka jumps in and out, like she'll be doing 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:26.120 this really serious scene and then she'll. 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:28.920 Be joking and yeah, oh my gosh, where is it. 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:31.640 So happy to talk to you, like, thank you so 1:56:31.760 --> 1:56:32.720 much for coming on. 1:56:33.280 --> 1:56:40.960 Absolutely what an inspiration. Obsessed with her more than anything. 1:56:41.000 --> 1:56:42.800 Oh my god, I love her. I love her love, 1:56:43.520 --> 1:56:46.000 I love her love with Bradley Whitford. They're so sweet 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:49.800 and their love of Marishka. Yes, but I you know 1:56:49.840 --> 1:56:52.240 what's crazy. We My brother was just here and he 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:54.120 was he's in the military, and I asked her about 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:56.440 this episode. I was like oh, we just covered this 1:56:56.480 --> 1:57:00.480 episode about the military with this drug that they giving 1:57:00.560 --> 1:57:02.640 for malaria that was making people kill their wives. And 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:04.920 he was like, oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that. 1:57:05.120 --> 1:57:07.200 And he was like yeah, I was crazy at Fort Bragg, 1:57:07.240 --> 1:57:07.839 like he knew. 1:57:07.680 --> 1:57:10.760 All about it. And I was like, if they don't 1:57:10.760 --> 1:57:12.520 give you that job, He's like, they don't give that anymore, 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:13.640 and I was like okay, good. 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:14.080 Well. 1:57:14.120 --> 1:57:17.160 I also just I mean, I hate the military, Amantai military, 1:57:17.200 --> 1:57:19.800 and I don't care, like, oh, you're not watching Love 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:20.400 is Blind. 1:57:21.040 --> 1:57:23.400 No, But I've been hearing a lot about it through OUTMOSIS. 1:57:23.520 --> 1:57:25.680 I've been hearing about that guy Leo that talks about 1:57:25.680 --> 1:57:26.720 his money all the time. 1:57:26.920 --> 1:57:29.360 Yeah, but he's a fraud. We went on his site yesterday. 1:57:29.600 --> 1:57:32.120 We went on a website he sells like really weird 1:57:32.160 --> 1:57:34.520 are and our friend said, he's a joke. But it's 1:57:34.600 --> 1:57:36.960 family money, right, isn't it. Yeah, But there's no way 1:57:37.000 --> 1:57:39.280 he is actually right. Oh, I just don't believe it. 1:57:39.360 --> 1:57:43.080 The website looks terrible, like hah, It's just if you 1:57:43.160 --> 1:57:46.480 were selling our and you were truly hundreds of millions, 1:57:46.640 --> 1:57:48.879 like familid Press site. 1:57:48.680 --> 1:57:50.480 You wouldn't have a shitty fucking website. 1:57:50.480 --> 1:57:52.360 You would have been able to hire someone like a 1:57:52.440 --> 1:57:56.640 nice fucking yeah person. So he you Also, if you 1:57:56.640 --> 1:57:59.280 come from that wealth, you're not gonna be like, look 1:57:59.280 --> 1:58:00.640 at my Rolex, want to try it on. 1:58:00.880 --> 1:58:02.840 That's just not how that works. 1:58:02.880 --> 1:58:06.120 Money talks, wealth whispers exactly like you don't, you don't, 1:58:06.160 --> 1:58:07.600 you don't want to be known for your wealth, but 1:58:07.760 --> 1:58:10.280 that's all you're going to talk about NonStop, like obviously 1:58:10.320 --> 1:58:11.320 you're not actually rich. 1:58:11.720 --> 1:58:13.920 Yeah, and or don't have a personality outside of it, 1:58:14.080 --> 1:58:14.600 saying when. 1:58:14.440 --> 1:58:17.160 People will say, oh, I'm so broke, I'm so broken, 1:58:17.160 --> 1:58:18.080 and it's like, no, you're not broke. 1:58:18.120 --> 1:58:21.720 People don't do that, like yeah, it's it's not real. 1:58:21.960 --> 1:58:24.840 Yeah I've been. Yeah, so I've been like sort of, 1:58:24.880 --> 1:58:27.480 but what brought what? What about the military brought you 1:58:27.480 --> 1:58:27.800 to love? 1:58:27.880 --> 1:58:33.600 There's a military girl and she she's multi generation military, 1:58:33.640 --> 1:58:35.560 like the mom was in it, all her siblings I think, 1:58:35.720 --> 1:58:38.240 you know. And she ends up with a guy with 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:40.600 like a little braid and a beads and so he's 1:58:40.640 --> 1:58:44.720 like anti military, and all her friends are in the military, 1:58:44.800 --> 1:58:46.520 and he's like so anti it. And they're at this 1:58:46.520 --> 1:58:48.160 dinner being like, well it's part of her life and 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:49.480 she's proud of it and blah blah blah. 1:58:49.480 --> 1:58:51.080 And he's like, if she goes back, we're done. 1:58:51.440 --> 1:58:52.760 And she's like, well, I won't go back, and she 1:58:52.840 --> 1:58:55.520 keeps taking these concessions and he's not making any concessions 1:58:55.520 --> 1:58:58.000 at all in their life, and it's just like, I'm 1:58:58.080 --> 1:59:00.240 not into the military, but like, you deserve to be 1:59:00.280 --> 1:59:03.000 with someone that's down for your service. Yeah, Like I 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:05.040 don't understand how you could be with someone that's so 1:59:05.120 --> 1:59:08.600 anti what you do, wouldn't let your children do it, 1:59:08.640 --> 1:59:10.760 doesn't want you to go back if that's something you loved, 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:12.200 like her and her girlfriends are like, this is the 1:59:12.200 --> 1:59:14.880 greatest honor of our lives. And he's just like, yeah, 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:17.400 I'm not for it, like I'm not into it, and 1:59:17.800 --> 1:59:21.000 he is just non compromising it anyway. So she's like, 1:59:21.280 --> 1:59:22.960 you know, he doesn't want to have kids. She's happy 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:24.640 to have kids right away. He's like, well, I don't 1:59:24.640 --> 1:59:26.160 want to and she goes, that's fine, but I'm not 1:59:26.200 --> 1:59:27.680 gonna go on birth control, like you'd have to wear 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:29.440 a condom. He goes, I'm not wearing condoms. So he 1:59:29.440 --> 1:59:31.280 doesn't want kids, and he doesn't want condoms, and so 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:33.440 it's I hate him. Well, it's like what everyone says 1:59:33.480 --> 1:59:36.080 where it's like it's a stupid thing and it's not true. 1:59:36.080 --> 1:59:39.280 But when they say, like, oh, the liberal cuckboys that 1:59:39.320 --> 1:59:42.320 like try to be feminists are really the most dangerous. 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:43.440 One, it's not true. 1:59:43.480 --> 1:59:45.480 But he is just such a shining star of that 1:59:45.560 --> 1:59:48.760 where he was just like, oh, peace, love, equality, I'm 1:59:48.760 --> 1:59:49.960 not fucking wearing a condom. 1:59:50.040 --> 1:59:51.320 You better get on a pill, bitch. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:52.160 You know. 1:59:52.320 --> 1:59:53.800 It's like kind of wild. 1:59:55.280 --> 1:59:58.560 But she meets up there's the guy that her second 1:59:58.560 --> 2:00:00.640 place guy is this Ukraine dude who was in the 2:00:00.680 --> 2:00:02.640 military in the US and then went to volunteer in 2:00:02.760 --> 2:00:05.040 Ukraine and stuff, and he was pretty cute. So yesterday 2:00:05.040 --> 2:00:07.320 I'm with people who are also love is blind obsessed, 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:11.240 and I'm like, I hope in the next chunk of episodes, 2:00:11.320 --> 2:00:13.840 she hooks up with this other military guy like that 2:00:13.920 --> 2:00:16.520 they could live their weird little life together and they go, 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:19.760 oh no, it came out that he has domestic violence charges, 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:24.440 and then of that, yeah yeah, And then this other guy, 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:26.680 it came out that he's like a sperm donor and 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:29.520 there's three sperm babies and the Grandma's like, these are 2:00:29.560 --> 2:00:30.000 his kids. 2:00:30.040 --> 2:00:31.160 There's photos of the kids. 2:00:31.360 --> 2:00:35.360 He's just not child nine Episode nine, it came out 2:00:35.360 --> 2:00:38.960 that he had kids, Like that's oh my god, that show. 2:00:39.280 --> 2:00:41.240 And then all the guys are putting on an act. 2:00:41.280 --> 2:00:43.960 So this one guy is just like I like listening 2:00:44.000 --> 2:00:47.320 and growing and blah blah blah. And then he was 2:00:47.400 --> 2:00:50.960 like he's a pervert. He was like doing like come, 2:00:51.120 --> 2:00:54.000 he's like a kink pervert. And she's like crying. He 2:00:54.040 --> 2:00:56.800 was texting girls right away, Like it's just the guys 2:00:56.840 --> 2:00:58.960 put on this act, and it's like they can't hold 2:00:59.040 --> 2:01:00.320 on even for two weeks. 2:01:01.040 --> 2:01:04.640 This is only two weeks, you know, to hide your 2:01:04.760 --> 2:01:06.520 terrible parts of your personality. 2:01:06.600 --> 2:01:10.040 Wow, But it's like if the if the experiment is on, 2:01:10.200 --> 2:01:13.200 Oh my god, I did see on Instagram people watching 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:15.800 it with a sheet over the TV. So you also 2:01:15.800 --> 2:01:18.120 don't know who anyone looks like, and then you tear 2:01:18.160 --> 2:01:20.240 it down when they meet to see or not. 2:01:20.520 --> 2:01:21.120 I like that. 2:01:21.120 --> 2:01:25.360 That's pretty fall Yeah, that's very meta. Put yourself. You're 2:01:25.560 --> 2:01:28.520 basically put yourself in the game too, but you wouldn't. 2:01:28.240 --> 2:01:29.040 Like any of them. 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:30.760 Oh and so the previews of the new chunk of 2:01:30.800 --> 2:01:34.400 episodes that'll have already come out. But it's a guy 2:01:34.520 --> 2:01:36.760 who picks this girl seeing a different girl he didn't pick, 2:01:36.800 --> 2:01:38.920 and her going, yeah, I guess love isn't blind. 2:01:39.200 --> 2:01:41.080 And I don't know. I just can't wait for her 2:01:41.640 --> 2:01:43.440 the termoil. Maybe I should get back into it. I 2:01:43.440 --> 2:01:45.360 feel like this though. 2:01:45.680 --> 2:01:47.400 That's the thing. It's like I watch it and I'm like, 2:01:47.400 --> 2:01:47.880 I'm bored. 2:01:47.920 --> 2:01:50.080 I hate this. I am not interested. You're all putting 2:01:50.120 --> 2:01:51.640 on an act. None of you are in love. This 2:01:51.680 --> 2:01:53.160 is all for too, like fuck all of you. 2:01:53.720 --> 2:01:56.720 But then I can't stop, can't stop because of the 2:01:56.960 --> 2:01:59.080 bomb drops of like, Okay, there's a pervert. 2:01:59.120 --> 2:01:59.640 He's down. 2:02:00.040 --> 2:02:02.960 There are three kids, yeah, lots of and he's like, what, 2:02:02.960 --> 2:02:03.680 it's not a big deal. 2:02:03.720 --> 2:02:06.920 It's like you're even lying with your reveal of the lie. Wow, 2:02:07.000 --> 2:02:08.960 Like these are your children that you don't really take. 2:02:09.120 --> 2:02:11.120 Everyone kept saying I can't wait to be a dad. 2:02:11.200 --> 2:02:13.520 I want to be a dad. It's like you're a 2:02:13.520 --> 2:02:14.400 fucking dad. 2:02:15.520 --> 2:02:17.600 Yeah, oh my god, these guys. 2:02:17.920 --> 2:02:21.320 And it's like are the men always bad? Like are 2:02:21.360 --> 2:02:22.680 there are the women bad? 2:02:23.280 --> 2:02:23.400 Oh? 2:02:23.520 --> 2:02:23.720 Yeah? 2:02:23.720 --> 2:02:28.240 That was like Jesse mess Messica, No, there are crazy 2:02:28.280 --> 2:02:29.000 women of course. 2:02:29.040 --> 2:02:30.880 Well, I remember her from the first season. 2:02:31.040 --> 2:02:33.000 There's like someone someone had a good theory that they 2:02:33.000 --> 2:02:35.000 think the girl that ended up with that rich guy 2:02:35.640 --> 2:02:36.320 is an escore. 2:02:36.360 --> 2:02:38.400 It was a high end es score. That's like kind 2:02:38.440 --> 2:02:42.440 of the theory is about stuff. She's sad, so I 2:02:42.440 --> 2:02:43.360 don't I don't really know. 2:02:43.800 --> 2:02:44.200 I don't know. 2:02:44.240 --> 2:02:44.840 It's all a mess. 2:02:44.840 --> 2:02:47.240 I don't think anyone's gonna get married except maybe the nerds, 2:02:47.280 --> 2:02:49.680 but like they don't even feel right. It's just I 2:02:49.760 --> 2:02:52.240 just don't get why people are so desperate at twenty six, 2:02:52.440 --> 2:02:56.400 Like that's what's confusing. Two maybe it's for television fame, 2:02:56.480 --> 2:02:58.040 and then I can kind of get it. But it's 2:02:58.080 --> 2:03:00.160 like those girls with this guy who lives with his mom, 2:03:00.280 --> 2:03:02.080 doesn't how to pay bills, doesn't not a clean, doesn't 2:03:02.120 --> 2:03:06.000 not a like truly even boil water for pasta, doesn't 2:03:06.040 --> 2:03:10.120 have a savings like nothing, and she is like live soocks, 2:03:10.160 --> 2:03:11.680 I have this, I have that, and do you? And 2:03:11.720 --> 2:03:14.320 it's like do you want what? You don't have to 2:03:14.360 --> 2:03:16.720 do this, Like you don't have to marry this guy 2:03:16.760 --> 2:03:17.520 who's so different. 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:18.120 I don't stay. 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:18.760 Are they in now? 2:03:18.800 --> 2:03:21.120 Are they in North Carolina or something? Yeah? 2:03:21.120 --> 2:03:24.040 In North Carolina? DC, Virginia like that kind of an area. 2:03:24.240 --> 2:03:27.400 Okay, I don't know why everyone's so fucking anxious at 2:03:27.440 --> 2:03:28.000 twenty six. 2:03:28.120 --> 2:03:30.120 It's uh wild, well. 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:30.600 That's what I mean. 2:03:30.720 --> 2:03:34.080 It's just like it's weird. They're just making such concessions. Yeah, 2:03:34.080 --> 2:03:35.960 Like it's like this girl's like, yeah, I always date 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:38.400 hat guys, but I am attracted him and then he 2:03:38.520 --> 2:03:41.000 ends up like being shitty Anyways. 2:03:40.800 --> 2:03:41.800 It's just like I. 2:03:41.760 --> 2:03:44.480 Don't get what they're talking about in all of those 2:03:44.520 --> 2:03:47.480 like dates where they can't see each other, that don't 2:03:47.760 --> 2:03:50.000 betray the fact that this guy's never paid a bill 2:03:50.000 --> 2:03:51.600 and doesn't know how to do anything in life. Like 2:03:51.640 --> 2:03:54.040 she didn't realize any of that, or she did it 2:03:54.200 --> 2:03:54.960 just because he's a liar. 2:03:54.960 --> 2:03:57.080 He's like, I'm a professional football player, but he wasn't. 2:03:57.080 --> 2:03:59.879 He played in the XFL, Like it's not the NFL. 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:02.200 He's also a kicker. He was like, yeah, I'm hotter 2:04:02.240 --> 2:04:03.160 than Travis Kelcey. 2:04:03.320 --> 2:04:05.400 He's not. What is THEFL again? 2:04:05.600 --> 2:04:07.560 I think it was like they had spikes or something, 2:04:07.680 --> 2:04:10.480 you know, they were like extra rough and tumble, and 2:04:10.560 --> 2:04:13.560 then there's just different leagues like into arena football, like 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:15.560 you can still have a career and that's great, but 2:04:15.640 --> 2:04:19.920 like you can't tell people you're in football that that 2:04:19.960 --> 2:04:22.840 you're hotter than Travis Kelcey and you're actually living in 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:25.320 your parents' basement. And this is like the movie failure 2:04:25.360 --> 2:04:27.760 to launch, Like I don't know what we're. 2:04:27.600 --> 2:04:28.160 Supposed to do. 2:04:28.800 --> 2:04:30.480 I know, it's like I don't understand how they think 2:04:30.480 --> 2:04:32.480 it's gonna end up. But it's TV, right, they just 2:04:32.480 --> 2:04:33.400 want to be famous. 2:04:34.400 --> 2:04:37.600 I'm happy fifteen because it doesn't make sense because even 2:04:37.640 --> 2:04:40.760 when they're just like it's just too delusional for me, 2:04:40.800 --> 2:04:42.520 they're like, yeah, we've had a fight and we talked 2:04:42.520 --> 2:04:44.320 it over and we just know everything about each other. 2:04:44.400 --> 2:04:48.280 And it's like, but you do know that relationships take 2:04:48.360 --> 2:04:51.040 time and change, Like you must know this as a human, right, Yeah, 2:04:51.040 --> 2:04:54.080 this isn't this isn't long lasted. 2:04:54.240 --> 2:04:57.560 Like I don't know it's she's gonna. 2:04:57.280 --> 2:04:59.840 Find out about the three children that you have. 2:05:00.120 --> 2:05:01.720 It's not one, it's three. 2:05:02.200 --> 2:05:04.640 But it's like the manipulation, like maybe I'll get her 2:05:04.680 --> 2:05:06.640 and then she'll just put up with whatever, because he's 2:05:06.680 --> 2:05:09.160 obviously been able to put up with like women have 2:05:09.360 --> 2:05:11.600 let him treat them like shit and not take care 2:05:11.600 --> 2:05:12.240 of his children. 2:05:12.280 --> 2:05:14.400 Do you think though, that this kind of thing is 2:05:14.440 --> 2:05:16.560 like a symptom. I guess I'm like asking, is this 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:18.840 like Chicken or the egg? Is this is this kind 2:05:18.840 --> 2:05:20.680 of thing like a symptom of the fact that we're 2:05:20.720 --> 2:05:22.720 like in the age of the scam right now, and 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:24.800 that like people are constantly lying to each other with 2:05:24.840 --> 2:05:28.320 online dating, Like women are online every day making tiktoks 2:05:28.360 --> 2:05:30.080 like crying where they're like, we've been dating for a 2:05:30.120 --> 2:05:31.320 few weeks, everything was going great. 2:05:31.400 --> 2:05:32.800 Turns out he just got out of jail. 2:05:32.800 --> 2:05:35.120 Everything he told me was a lie, like blah blah blah, 2:05:35.160 --> 2:05:37.640 Like is that Do you think shows like this kind 2:05:37.680 --> 2:05:40.080 of tell guys, oh, just lie and like they'll fall 2:05:40.080 --> 2:05:42.680 in love with you eventually, like for your fucking personal 2:05:42.800 --> 2:05:44.800 I don't know what it tells them. Or do you 2:05:44.840 --> 2:05:47.360 think the scamming is just like what's being shown on 2:05:47.360 --> 2:05:50.080 these shows like what you know, Chicken or Egg? 2:05:50.440 --> 2:05:52.440 No, I think this is what men do outside the 2:05:52.440 --> 2:05:57.000 pods as well. Yeah, I think I think or both. 2:05:57.120 --> 2:06:00.680 I mean, people lie to date, but I think that's 2:06:00.720 --> 2:06:03.320 the whole thing. Men will do, like the lie and 2:06:03.440 --> 2:06:05.520 offer things and be like oh yeah, I'm gonna I 2:06:05.640 --> 2:06:06.280 like that movie. 2:06:06.400 --> 2:06:07.120 Oh I love that. 2:06:07.360 --> 2:06:09.440 Yeah, yeah, I work here, and then it's like, well, 2:06:09.480 --> 2:06:11.640 once we fuck, I'll never talk to you again. Like 2:06:11.720 --> 2:06:15.160 I think that's part of dating, Like yeah, is lying. 2:06:15.880 --> 2:06:18.080 Yeah, but what I guess I mean like the Little 2:06:18.120 --> 2:06:20.640 Way to White Lies. Persuasion is different to me than 2:06:20.680 --> 2:06:23.320 like lying about fundamental shit like what you do for 2:06:23.360 --> 2:06:25.200 a living, like the fact that whether you've been to 2:06:25.240 --> 2:06:27.480 prison or not, like whether you have children, Like these 2:06:27.520 --> 2:06:31.640 are massive, unavoidable part They're not like opinion sways about 2:06:31.680 --> 2:06:32.440 like you know what I mean. 2:06:32.640 --> 2:06:35.760 Like people are lying about huge things. 2:06:35.640 --> 2:06:38.480 And I just don't understand cognitively, like what they think 2:06:38.560 --> 2:06:41.640 is gonna happen because the truth will come out. But 2:06:41.720 --> 2:06:44.600 then are they is it? Like they don't care or 2:06:44.640 --> 2:06:45.800 like I don't get why people are doing it in 2:06:45.800 --> 2:06:47.000 real life. I don't get why people are doing it 2:06:47.000 --> 2:06:48.960 on the shows. Like I just don't get it, Like 2:06:49.040 --> 2:06:49.880 what's causing this? 2:06:50.080 --> 2:06:50.240 Is it? 2:06:50.320 --> 2:06:52.040 Just like because we are in the age of scamming, 2:06:52.080 --> 2:06:53.880 Like everybody's trying to scam everybody right, well, I. 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:55.800 Mean are you watching Real Housewives of New York right now? 2:06:55.920 --> 2:06:59.720 Yeah, Like her husband of many years sold a bunch 2:06:59.760 --> 2:07:02.920 of bit and does all this stuff, and like someone tweeted, 2:07:02.960 --> 2:07:05.440 like once a man on TV goes, you know, it's 2:07:05.440 --> 2:07:07.520 a lot of work keeping up with your lifestyle. It's 2:07:07.560 --> 2:07:09.640 like he's going to go to prison any minute, and 2:07:09.640 --> 2:07:12.360 that's your partner forever. I mean, we we've talked about 2:07:12.400 --> 2:07:14.080 the case, but there was a man drugging his wife 2:07:14.080 --> 2:07:16.520 and letting the neighborhood raper for year, you know what 2:07:16.560 --> 2:07:19.200 I mean. And it's like, I don't know, I know 2:07:19.560 --> 2:07:21.320 it's the age of the scam because we get all 2:07:21.520 --> 2:07:24.440 because the Internet makes it easier and AI and all 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:27.480 of that, so there's more and there's documentaries about the scam. 2:07:27.680 --> 2:07:31.120 So scams are in like Anadelby I guess, but I 2:07:31.160 --> 2:07:32.400 think people just always. 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:34.880 I did have friends in high school whose dad's had 2:07:34.880 --> 2:07:37.280 second families multiple so I guess you're right. It's like 2:07:37.320 --> 2:07:39.680 been forever, and it's probably just more conscious now because 2:07:39.880 --> 2:07:42.600 now but people now there's no documentaries about it. Tindler 2:07:42.680 --> 2:07:44.240 Swindler and like all these like. 2:07:44.440 --> 2:07:46.200 Or they think, Okay, this woman's going to be in 2:07:46.240 --> 2:07:48.360 love with me, so then by the time I tell 2:07:48.400 --> 2:07:50.240 her I have three kids, she'll like. 2:07:50.200 --> 2:07:52.640 Put up with it. She'll be so happy to meet 2:07:52.680 --> 2:07:54.120 my three kids. Oh my god, Well, I. 2:07:54.120 --> 2:07:56.040 Think the producers bully them to get to the wedding 2:07:56.120 --> 2:07:57.400 even if they were going to break up. 2:07:57.440 --> 2:07:58.760 So yeah, I don't know. 2:07:58.920 --> 2:08:02.240 But arrently, she's husband fucking took money behind her back 2:08:02.240 --> 2:08:05.160 that wasn't hers and spent it that wasn't his. 2:08:05.360 --> 2:08:08.920 Like that was a wild thing. And he was like, 2:08:08.920 --> 2:08:10.440 I didn't want to cause you any more stress. 2:08:10.480 --> 2:08:12.160 It's like, this is stressing me out, that you're going 2:08:12.160 --> 2:08:14.240 to buy my back and spending our money. 2:08:14.760 --> 2:08:15.000 Fuck. 2:08:15.800 --> 2:08:19.040 Ugh, housewives, we're in a golden age. I'm so behind. 2:08:19.080 --> 2:08:21.080 I haven't watched Potomac yet. I got a I just 2:08:21.120 --> 2:08:24.360 caught up last night on a bunch of OC New 2:08:24.440 --> 2:08:25.520 York and Tall Lake. 2:08:25.680 --> 2:08:28.400 I'm caught up on those, but OC I have to 2:08:28.400 --> 2:08:31.760 finish and I have to Oh see is wild? What's 2:08:31.800 --> 2:08:33.400 going on? Oh my god, I'm so behind. 2:08:33.440 --> 2:08:35.320 I know. I just want a Lexis to get fucked over. 2:08:35.480 --> 2:08:37.720 You know, I just thought, oh my god, she's really 2:08:38.000 --> 2:08:42.760 really hard to deal with. Okay, Oh but Amy Landecker 2:08:43.240 --> 2:08:46.200 is a icon. She's so cool. I love people that 2:08:47.080 --> 2:08:50.280 love their work. And yeah, her journey that was amazing. 2:08:50.360 --> 2:08:52.360 I could have talked to her for like another three hours. 2:08:52.400 --> 2:08:54.640 She was amazing. Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a fan. 2:08:54.680 --> 2:08:55.400 I love love love. 2:08:56.040 --> 2:08:57.880 Let's move on to what what'd this stripeg do? 2:08:58.320 --> 2:08:58.960 This week? 2:08:59.160 --> 2:09:03.000 For our WWSPD, we'd like to point you to the 2:09:03.240 --> 2:09:07.680 Domestic Abuse Victim Advocate Locator on the Military one Source site. 2:09:08.760 --> 2:09:11.120 Terry one Source is a program that provides resources and 2:09:11.160 --> 2:09:13.880 support to active duty, National Guard and Reserve service members 2:09:13.920 --> 2:09:17.080 and their families anywhere in the world. Their website is 2:09:17.120 --> 2:09:19.960 all very like we understand military life, because I feel 2:09:19.960 --> 2:09:22.880 like I wanted to find something that was like, if 2:09:22.880 --> 2:09:25.000 you're just like a wife of a soldier already started 2:09:25.040 --> 2:09:27.720 exhibiting the kind of behaviors that we saw in this episode, 2:09:27.800 --> 2:09:29.640 like what would you do? What would your resources be? 2:09:29.760 --> 2:09:32.600 So I think this seems like a great organization, great site. 2:09:32.600 --> 2:09:35.120 The Domestic Abuse Victim Advocate Locator is a way for 2:09:35.160 --> 2:09:37.320 people who have served in the military or their family 2:09:37.400 --> 2:09:39.880 members who are suffering from abuse to connect with shelters 2:09:39.880 --> 2:09:42.680 and advocates no matter where they live. For more information, 2:09:42.800 --> 2:09:47.520 go to Militarywsource dot mil dot mill and that will 2:09:47.520 --> 2:09:50.040 be posted in our stories the day this episode comes 2:09:50.080 --> 2:09:53.800 out and Saved Forever. In our WWSPD Highlight amazing. 2:09:53.920 --> 2:09:56.360 Thank you so much for that, and next week we 2:09:56.440 --> 2:10:00.720 will be doing the Presence of Absence that makes Sense 2:10:01.080 --> 2:10:05.360 from season twenty four, episode sixteen. Thanks so much for listening, 2:10:05.520 --> 2:10:18.000 Love you guys, Bye. 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