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I know he was excited for this interview, 26 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: but this should be a good one regardless. Richard's story 27 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: is a really interesting one. So yeah, nothing really going 28 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: on that I need to update you guys on. Over 29 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: the last few days. I did watch some of You're 30 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: Gonna Laugh, I did. I did, uh watch In the 31 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Army Now with Pauly Shore and Andy Dick uh, and 32 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: I love Pauly Shore's work. I wasn't sure if I've 33 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: ever seen this before. It's It's on Netflix if you 34 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: want to watch it. I've heard of it, and I 35 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: remember coming out and all that in the nineties, but 36 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if ever watched it. If I did, 37 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: it's been so long that I forgot and I laughed 38 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: my balls off. It is a hilarious movie, and it's 39 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: probably the only military movie that's dedicated to, uh, the 40 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: Army Reserve. So uh, I don't know. I mean, there 41 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: there might be I'm not a movie guy, so there 42 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: might be another movie with the Army Reserve, But I mean, 43 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: I feel like you have to do comedy on that one, 44 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: you know, just because of the nature of it. You're 45 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: you're kind of gonna downplay what those guys do and 46 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: make it funny. And they did, and I do recommend 47 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: you check it out. There could be other Army Reserve movies. 48 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I really don't know. If you do. You could feel 49 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: free to tweet me at Ian Scotto, but uh, in 50 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: the Army Now is highly recommended. So because of that, 51 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: I was on a whole poly Shore kick after that, 52 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: and I watched the documentary that he has, which is 53 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: up on Amazon Prime, and it's called poly Shore Stands Alone, 54 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: and it's really very much about like the unglamorous life 55 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: of being a stand up comedian at his level. So 56 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: he's playing in Middle America at these places that aren't 57 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: even necessarily comedy venues, and uh, he does pack them out. 58 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: See It's an interesting thing. I've noticed this when I 59 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: go to shows outside of New York in like the 60 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania area compared to New York. In New York City, 61 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: in order to like sell out a venue of any type, 62 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: you have to be a list because there's always something 63 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: going on. But if you go to rural America somewhere 64 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: you could sell out, you know, hundreds of seats, which 65 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: he does. You you'll see in the documentary, and it 66 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: reminds me. I'm a huge fan of the band Dope. 67 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: I saw Dope play the Croc Rock in Allentown, Pennsylvania, 68 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: which is no longer there, and it was packed, absolutely packed, 69 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: all these people there to see them, and I think 70 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: part of it goes to that there's probably just not 71 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: as much to do in Allentown, Pennsylvania. But to be 72 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: completely honest, and just a few months later, I saw 73 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: them play Webster Hall in the Marlin Room in New 74 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: York City and was literally maybe twelve people there, and 75 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: edse Aldope even commented that he was like, we having 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: a good time, but this is kind of pathetic. Maybe 77 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: you guys could tell a friend to come next time 78 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: that we play here. So I thought, Um, the documentary 79 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: played into that whole world of if you're playing somewhere 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: in Nebraska, you could sell it out. And Paul Shore 81 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: does play those local Los Angeles venues and at times 82 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: comes to New York City, but in order to like 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: really pack out a crowd, he has to go to 84 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: these Middle America venues where he's very much celebrated, uh, 85 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: and in these very small towns where there's not a 86 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: whole lot to doo. So it was interesting. I watched 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: that last night. It's uh, Pauly Shore stands alone. But UH, 88 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: with that, I'm gonna get over to Richard Jellison, who 89 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: did a documentary that's a much greater importance, to be honest, 90 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: called a Solemn Promise America's Missing an action about our 91 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: men missing an action two thousand of them, which I 92 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: was unaware of that statistic. And this guy has military career, 93 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: and also just what he's done since is pretty incredible. 94 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna get right over to Richard Jellerson, 95 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: and I hope you guys enjoy so as promised for 96 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: the first time on the podcast. Richard Jellerson Army helicopter 97 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: pilot and Vietnam veteran who served with the one sixteenth 98 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the Sault Helicopter Company UH in his first tour and 99 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: then his second Vietnam tour as General Abram's personal pilot. 100 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: He's the author of pan Am Flight zero zero one, 101 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: about the round world flight he took before returning home 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: on his second Tour of duty and the director of 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: a Solemn Promise, America's Missing An Action, as well as 104 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: several other films which we could talk about, uh, and 105 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: we'll get into all of it. Solemn Promise is available 106 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Storyteller Films dot TV. And I originally was made aware 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: of you, Richard through our past guest marky o Blanca. 108 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: So how do you how do how do you guys 109 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: know each other? You know? Um, I was introduced to 110 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: him by a couple of mutual friends, and um he 111 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: has been He was on the advisory board for that 112 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: film and has been a huge help in mentoring me 113 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: through the process of writing my first book. So he 114 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: is a good guy and good author good books. Yep, 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: Vietnam Bouchi, which we recommend everybody picks up. So, I 116 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: think before we even get into this great film about 117 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: America's m i A as well as your book, it'd 118 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: be interesting to get into your background in Vietnam and 119 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: UH serving as an army helicopter pilot. People would probably 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: love to hear about, UH, someone who served as an 121 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: assault helicopter pilot during that time. So yeah, I'd love 122 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: to get into your backstory. The interesting thing about I 123 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: did a film for the History Channel called Helicopter Warfare 124 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. Yes, I was going to end that among 125 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: like several other films. I have them all listed here 126 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: which people can see on the website. But yeah, and 127 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: what I did. I interviewed a lot of air crew members, 128 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Cruci storegunners, pilots. And the interesting thing about the pilots 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: is they had the same story as I did. I 130 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: was not doing well in college, having way too much fun. 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to get drafted, but always 132 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted to learn how to fly, so and the Army 133 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: had a need for helicopter pilots at that point, So 134 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: I got accepted and trained, and uh, knowing that at 135 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: the end of the year of flight school that I 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: was going to be going to Vietnam. Of and did 137 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: end up at the one six, which was an assault 138 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: helicopter company, which means we picked up troops and inserted 139 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: them into combat situations and went back to pick them 140 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: up and move them to a different area. And a 141 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: lot of METAVAC missions, a lot of metavacs. Uh, even 142 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: though there were metovac units, we were already there, already 143 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: in the fray. So if there was wounded. We would 144 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: take them out and taken to the hospitals. Some memories 145 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: there that are just seared into my memory. So UM, 146 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: but it was we flew sometimes. I think my log 147 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: shows that one day I flew thirteen and a half 148 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: hours MM and uh for a nineteen twenty year old kid, 149 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: it was pretty exciting but also traumatizing in many respects UM, 150 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: and I just after my towards the end of my 151 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: first tour, I ended up flying a two star general 152 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and when he went home, he recommended me to General abros. 153 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: So first tour was kind of combat and not very civilized. 154 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: And the second tour I was flying the fourth star 155 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: in charge of the entire warm and it was mostly 156 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: it was v I P. Five. Well, I know your 157 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: book is specifically about the pan and flight, but I'm 158 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: sure saying that you have these great stories, UM with 159 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: the one six to Salt Helicopter Company. Any stories that 160 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: you could tell us, because this audience loves to hear that. UM. 161 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Flying combat in Vietnam was at first, when you get there, 162 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: you're you can't believe you're in that situation, UM, and 163 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: you're scared. But the funny thing is after you've done 164 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: it for a few days or a little longer. You 165 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: can't afford to be scared anymore. You've just got to 166 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: do the job. And we would fly into a flight 167 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: of nine Huey's with troops on board. We would fly 168 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: into a landing zone where we would be taking fire 169 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: and our guns are shooting back and you're just hoping 170 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: they don't hit you or a vital part of the ship. 171 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: And uh, after a bit, it just gets to be well, 172 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: I can't afford to be scared, so I'm just going 173 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: to do my job, and you have to go. And 174 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: that's in the book. You have to go to a 175 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: very dark place in your heart to get through the 176 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: was those tours, um the savagery and the carnage that 177 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: you see every day is just it's overwhelming. So pretty 178 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: soon you stop um letting it in. You just have 179 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: to close down emotionally. And I think that's where a 180 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: lot of people who do go to combat, whether it 181 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: was in Vietnam or are wars today, UM get PTSD 182 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: any day in particular. That was overwhelming for you several 183 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: but they all kind of blend in together. I remember, 184 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: and this is in the book as well. My very 185 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: first men of act mission is it happens a squad 186 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: leader got on board my aircraft along with I think 187 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: five five troops and U I was what they called 188 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: Taylor and Charlie. I was the last fight as a 189 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: brand new aircraft commander. They want you. They're not really 190 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: sure yet how good a pilot you are for formations. 191 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: So you would fly the last, the last bird in 192 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: a flight of nine or a flight of five sometimes 193 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: as ego flights dropped him off. We're taking fire and 194 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I we lift off to leave that landing zone and 195 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: get a call from the troops on the ground and 196 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: they've already had somebody that was wounded. And the other 197 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: thing about Tail and Charlie is you are the bird 198 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: that breaks off from metavacs because you don't have to 199 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: leave the flight. You just well you leave the flight, 200 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: but you're not really part of it as the last ship. 201 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: And UH flew back in. And it turns out that 202 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: that squad leader was the one who was wounded and 203 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: had both of his legs have been blown off. So 204 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: UH and I remember that, and I think this is 205 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: in the book as well, that we had a hospital 206 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: METIVAC pad actually a field hospital only about twenty some 207 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: miles away and I I first met of back. I thought, 208 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: the only thing important is to get this get this 209 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: guy to a hospital. So I pushed it all the 210 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: way up as fast as the helicopter would go, and 211 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: actually never even climbed. I kept at low level so 212 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: he wouldn't waste any time. And I the insane thing 213 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: about when you drop welling it off, you don't know, 214 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: you don't ever know what happened to them after that. Um. 215 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: So one of the little torments I have when I 216 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: go to the VA hospital, because I did get cancer 217 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: from agent orange, so the VA took care of that. 218 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: But one of the little tortures I have is that 219 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll go to the VA hospital and see guys with 220 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: a wheelchair with my legs and you just know, I 221 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: always wonder if that was somebody that I picked up. Yeah, So, 222 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: um anyway, there's that's probably the most significant story, and 223 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: the book is really about It is about my flight 224 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: around the world, kind of decompressing after my second tour, 225 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: but it's really about the healing that I a matter 226 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: of fact, guess what's called the healing Pan American flight one. 227 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: UM people adopted me more or less. I think because 228 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: I was traveling alone and every country I stopped him, 229 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: people just kind of brought me into their lives, and 230 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: I think that's always started a healing process. Yeah. Well, 231 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that he owing process. But I'm wondering, actually, 232 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: at one point did you realize that you developed agent orange? 233 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: Because for many guys it's you know, decades later and 234 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: they noticed certain symptoms or certain crazy things happen in 235 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: their lives. It was, it was. And my stepdad was 236 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: a brilliant surgeon. And Thanksgiving, Ennery just noticed that my 237 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: neck was asymmetrical. There was a swirling and he wanted 238 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: to so he said, after dinner, I want to see you. 239 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: And he found that the lymph notes have been were swollen. 240 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: And even though he had a medical practice and I 241 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: had medical insurance, he said, go to the v A. 242 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: He I think he suspected that it was agent orange, 243 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: and uh, I think I went through chemo and radiation 244 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: and it has never come back. So I'm a fan 245 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: of the v A for sure. I mean, that's that's amazing. 246 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: The here. Yeah, they're good, they really are. They take 247 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: a lot of grief and there are some problems that 248 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: they've had but for the most part, they're a great organization. 249 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: And it sounds like you didn't suffer some of the 250 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: same consequences as your brothers. I mean, because I do 251 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: know of people who uh come back with Agent Orange 252 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: and then they have kids, and kids are born with 253 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: all sorts of disabilities, and that's when they realized that 254 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: this is what they got. I'm aware of that. And 255 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: actually I tried to do a documentary about Agent Orange 256 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: in Vietnam because it's been in their um water for 257 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: years now and I read someplace that they have more 258 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: malformed children than any other country around there, and I 259 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: believe it's connected to Agent Orange. Yeah, I mean, it 260 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: sounds like a logical connection to make it does Yeah, 261 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: but I couldn't get anybody behind that. So I still 262 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: think it would be an important film to do, but um, 263 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to make it happen. Yeah, there's definitely, 264 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think the interest out there in the 265 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: community and also people who need to be educated on it. Um. 266 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: But getting getting into the book, as you were saying 267 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: about Pan M flight, oh one, uh, do you want 268 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the flight itself and then get into 269 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: the healing As you were saying, I think people would 270 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: love to hear about that and kind of get a 271 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: teaser of what it's all about before they pick up 272 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: the buck. You know, it was a wonderful idea as 273 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: a business. You could buy a ticket on Pan Americans 274 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: one and it was good for a year. It was 275 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: very much like a year rail pass. You could leave 276 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: one country and fly to the next and stay there 277 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: for as long as you felt like it. Uh, And 278 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: when you felt like moving on, you just wait for 279 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: the next pen and flight one to come through that 280 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: city and get back on Uh. Like I said, it 281 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: was like a year rail passed for a year, and 282 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: it went through I think about nineteen or twenty countries. 283 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I know I visited fifteen to sixteen of them. And 284 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: again I think because I was by myself. Um, people 285 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: would just introduce themselves. Or you go to a restaurant 286 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: in Europe and you can't have the whole table to 287 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: yourself if they're busy. Major deal will introduce you to 288 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: somebody that's also somebody single and you make a new friend. 289 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: So it was a wonderful thing to do to see 290 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: the planet. And what I didn't realize one I started 291 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: out on it was that I was. I needed heally, 292 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: and if you look at war as the absence of humanity, 293 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: humanity just kind of embraced me and over that, over 294 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: that period of seven or eight months that I was gone, 295 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: just welcomed me back to being a human. And I 296 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 1: didn't certainly recognize it at first, but um, that's that's how. 297 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that's why the book was written. 298 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I have a cousin who was a very successful screenwriter 299 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: and uh, he and I were talking to the night. 300 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: He said, you know, you didn't seem to come back 301 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: from Vietnam like a lot of guys that he knew 302 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: that I had a lot of baggage. And we were 303 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: having a good single malt scotch when we started to 304 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: talk and I told him the story of the If. 305 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: There was a young girl in Thailand. It was selling 306 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: Coca Cola and she wanted to talk about America, h 307 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: And I didn't really want to yet. I felt that 308 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: I didn't understand what had happened to me and I 309 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: wasn't really sure what was happening in America. And uh, 310 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: but she had to hear about it. She wanted to 311 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: talk about it, so uh and taut Matos. My cousin 312 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: just said, my gosh, what else happened? And I started. 313 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it as a healing process, but 314 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: as we started to go through UM notes that I 315 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: had taken UM, it became a parent that I had 316 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: been um more or less pulled back into humanity to 317 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: heal UM. The interesting thing about the combat stories because 318 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: I wanted this story, the book to be about healing, 319 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: but getting into it, I realized I can't really talk 320 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: about healing unless I show people, uh, the savages, savages 321 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: of war. And as it happens, when I came back 322 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: and went back to college and got in a creative 323 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: writing class, and the professor had me right, he said, right, 324 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: what you know about, which, after coming back from Vietnam, 325 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: it was strictly that's all I did know about. And 326 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of short stories, never did anything 327 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: with him. God it could create in the class, and 328 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: then just put them away. And when this mission to 329 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: write this book came up, I thought, well, let's pull 330 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: them out. Maybe that will help people understand what it 331 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: was like and why I needed to heal UM. So 332 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: that was really the genesis of that story and why 333 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: it got written. So what as you said that you 334 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: you didn't really know you were going through a healing 335 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: process as it was happening. What inspired you to actually 336 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: take this flight as opposed to going the normal route 337 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: of just going home in between your tours. Yes, uh, Actually, 338 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: if you remember that time, America was it war with itself, 339 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: very u divided, and protests and all of that, and 340 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: we weren't, as Vietnam soldiers welcomed back to the country, 341 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: and um, I wasn't because I've been in touch with 342 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: guys who had been sent home and you know, wrote 343 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: back about what it was like, and I just thought, well, 344 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to go back there yet. 345 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: And the other part of it was it was just 346 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: an adventure really. At first. It was this wonderful flight 347 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: that I could go see the entire planet, and I was, 348 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, as I left Vietnam, I think it was 349 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: twenty one, and I just like, let's go see the planet. 350 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: So between tours, the Army actually bought that first Pan 351 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: American flight one and that was for a thirty day 352 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: leave between tours. So I got on it and around 353 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: the entire planet in thirty days, and that I think 354 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: is what led me to believe I should slow down 355 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: and take the trip again. So very exciting to go 356 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: some some of the there's a couple of places I 357 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't go again, Uh like a rod Yeah, Pakistan, but 358 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: um and I probably at this point with the world away, 359 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd go by myself ever again. Yeah, 360 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: just the world's changed that much. But when an absolute 361 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: adventure for a kid twenty one years old Vietnam was 362 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: did it get lonely taking this flight? I mean, I'm 363 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: a single guy. I leve alone. I have taken vacations alone, 364 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: but it's you know, a week at a time. I 365 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine being alone in the world. Uh, nowhere near 366 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: anyone that you know, for that length of time. That's 367 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: it's a it's got to be an experience. Well it was, 368 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: But I my makeup is such that I don't mind 369 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: being alone. But the other thing is I didn't really 370 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: get a chance to be lonely because, as I said, 371 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: people just kept they'd always want to talk to you, 372 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: and I guess you I looked like a soldier. I'm 373 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: sure my hair cut and out of bit clothes led 374 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: everybody to believe I was a soldier, and they wanted 375 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: to know what has been going on. So people just 376 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: kept prying into my life. And even sitting on a plane, 377 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: the guy next to you, I would want to talk 378 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: to you, And like I said, at the restaurants, you 379 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: didn't really get a chance if you're by yourself to 380 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: be alone. Um. And then I'd meet people and we'd 381 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: start talking. And some of these folks that I met, 382 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I would hang with him for a few days. They 383 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: just kept saying, Well, we're going to dinner here somewhere tonight. 384 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: Why don't you join us? And as you get to 385 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: know them, I just picked up friends almost everywhere I went. 386 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: Um from total straight your two friends sometimes only took 387 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: an hour long dinner. I just didn't get a chance 388 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: to be lonely. Really, Yeah, do you still talk to 389 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: anybody that that you met on on that flight or 390 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: you met during that trip? I should say no, I don't. 391 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: I sometimes didn't even And this is if in a 392 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: book too. I I sometimes don't even remember their names, 393 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: just the experience. Um uh. There. I did for the 394 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: film Solemn Promise interview a gentleman that was at cam Duck, 395 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: which was an incredibly fierce battle bill right, he was 396 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: awarded the Silver Star for what he did at cam Duck. 397 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: And as it happens, one of these people I met 398 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: on Pantim Flight one was a guy returning from Vietnam 399 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: who had been wounded at cam Duck. But that was 400 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: Those two experiences are like fifty years apart. UM, so 401 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: the Bill is the only one that I talked to 402 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: from that that battle. UM. One of my very good 403 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: friends is a guy named vern Estes who was my 404 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: detachment commander when I was flying the four Star. Both 405 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: four stars UM had their own aircraft and their own crews, 406 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: and Verne was a very senior WREN officer and master 407 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: aviator and he ran the detachment. There was only five pilots, 408 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: two pra aircraft and a check pilot who could sub 409 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: who could come in if somebody was sick, and he 410 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: and I talked all the time. We've talked ever since 411 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: we left. We don't very often talk about the war. 412 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: We talked about the aviation, about flying, and so he's 413 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: the only one I've kept in touch with from that time. 414 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Got you so, well, that's pan Am Flight oh one. Uh. 415 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: The book that you have out and I definitely recommend 416 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: that people check that out. That's out now. You can 417 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: get it right on Amazon and and pretty much anywhere else. 418 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Right there are the big ones are Amazon and Barnes 419 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: and Noble. They don't carry the book, um, and there's 420 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: about seven or eight others that distribute. I even had 421 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: one person purchased the book in Sweden, right I kind 422 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: of came is a surprise. But um, so it is 423 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: available on both of those bards of Noble and Amazon, 424 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: and it's the Healing Pan American Flight Zeroes are one. Yeah, 425 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean you never know, there's um there's people listening 426 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: to the show. And I look at the statistics all 427 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: around the world. It's, uh, it's pretty amazing. There's people 428 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: listening in just about every country. So um yeah, it's 429 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: it's I'm looking at it right here in the Healing 430 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: Pan American Flight oh one. And uh pick that up 431 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: and we'll link to it in the description on Software 432 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: radio dot com. But next, I want to get into 433 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: the documentary that you about, which I would checking out, 434 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: and that is a solemn promise. It's available at Storyteller 435 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: Films dot tv. A solemn promise America is missing in action. 436 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: And before we get into it, do you have any 437 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: personal experience with guys who went am I a oddly 438 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: none whatsoever. In my combat unit first tour, if one 439 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: of our guys went down, we went and picked him 440 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: up immediately. We never had an m I a while 441 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: I was with the One UM. But when I did 442 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: the History Channel film, I met a gentleman named Tom 443 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: Lasser who was also an army helicopter pilot over there, 444 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: and after the film we got to be friends. We'd 445 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: need for lunch once in a while, and one day 446 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: he said, you know, if if you or I had 447 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: been shot down over there, they'd still be looking for us. 448 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: And I hadn't thought of it. But what's you're The 449 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: solemn promise that's made to you as someone going into 450 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: combat is that you will not be left behind. And 451 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: I started looking at it, and it's an incredibly powerful story. 452 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: It's also one I think every American should hear about UM. 453 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: In these days. It's a little tough to find things 454 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: to be truly proud of in this country with all 455 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: the divisiveness, But this is something that we we We 456 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: promised people being sent to combat that we would always 457 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: come looking for you. Yeah, and we do. Well. It's 458 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: a promise we keep now, the d p A, the 459 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: po w M, I a county agency. It's a bureaucracy 460 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: like all of our agencies in this country, and they 461 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: make mistakes, but they are the people that I interviewed 462 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: for that film are devout about their duty, about their 463 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: obligation to find our missing in action. And when I 464 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: started researching it and found out that we have over 465 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: eighty two thousand m i a's from all the way 466 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: back to World War Two, I just I couldn't believe this. 467 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe the stats, and then I couldn't believe 468 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: the story. But so I decided that I was going 469 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: to do a documentary film telling that story. And shortly 470 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: after I got into it. I'm not sure how this happened, 471 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: but a colonel at the Pentagon from Department of Defense 472 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: called me up one day and says, how come you 473 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: haven't asked our help for your film? And legend in 474 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: filmmakers is that it's very difficult to get do D 475 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: to help you, So it was quite surprising, and they 476 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: started feeding me stories once they found out. They vetted 477 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: me to find out how I would approach this story, 478 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: and then they started we've got a family the agency 479 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: meets with families of m A s several times a 480 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: year to update them. And they said, we've got one 481 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: of those in I think it was Oklahoma. Would you 482 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: like to film it? And so yes, I did. And 483 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: then they called up and said, a family of a 484 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Korean War M I a UH is going to his 485 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: remains have been found and if the family okays it, 486 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: would you like to film the ceremony at Arlington, And 487 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: uh they okayed it a matter of fact, they loved it, 488 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: and UH, so we went to Arlington and filmed that segment. 489 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: And it is beautiful. When they find the remains of 490 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: an M I a UM, they are given the entire 491 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: military honors ceremony. It's just amazing, the Casons, horse drawn 492 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: Cason and the twenty one gun salute. It was truly 493 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: beautiful and I was very happy to have that to 494 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: capture that for the film UM. And they do an 495 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: incredibly good job of identifying remains because it just would 496 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 1: be a painful experience to tell a family we found 497 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: your son or brother and then find out it really 498 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: wasn't them. But it was a very powerful story and 499 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: it's something really UH. We as a country should be 500 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: very proud of because there are we're the only country 501 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: that makes that promise and then keeps it. Yeah, I 502 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: heard you say that during the documentary, and I was 503 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: unaware of that we're the only country that does say that. 504 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: And then, as you also say, unfortunately there's still eighty 505 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: two thousand remaining that that are lost, and a lot 506 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: of those guys from your era in Vietnam, you know, 507 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: actually less and less with every war. Most of that 508 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: eight two thousand is World War two. Um. But and 509 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: and we started off with about I think it was 510 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: and six of my in Vietnam, and the last number 511 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: I saw was just over sixteen hundred that have not 512 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: still been found. Um. A funny story. I was trying 513 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: to find people to interview, families to interview with an 514 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: m I A from World War two, and of course 515 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: those are very very old people now. And my uh 516 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: stepdad and mom had a medical practice in a little 517 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: town called Blythe out on the Arizona River the Colorado River, 518 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: and I was I went out to see my mom 519 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: and I took her out to dinner, and I was 520 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: so frustrated I couldn't find anybody that he had an 521 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: M I A from World War two and my mom says, well, 522 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: I have a friend who's husband was a pilot and 523 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: he was shot down and never found from World War Two. 524 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: My mom and uh my stepdad were military. They were 525 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: in the military and they traveled all over the world. 526 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, well, she's probably got a friend that's 527 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: in Belgium or something. He said, well, where's your where's 528 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: your friend? And she pointed off into a neighborhood and said, well, 529 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: she lives right in there. So uh And I asked 530 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: her why she didn't tell me. He said, well, I 531 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't think anybody would want to talk about it. The 532 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: interesting thing that happened when I'd find a family to interview, 533 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: they had been wanting to talk about this for for 534 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: a long time. Um. Every one of the families I interviewed, 535 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: I think there was three or four that made the 536 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: final cut as interviews, but I talked to a lot 537 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: of families about it, and it's a story that um. 538 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: An early title for that film was collateral Damage America's 539 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: m I A S. And that came from interviews a 540 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: term and they felt like they were collateral damage. Um 541 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: uh in a in a war. Wells A thing that's 542 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: that's interesting and you know. Really sad about the film 543 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: is kind of seeing the reactions to these family members 544 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: and they're waiting for their family members and it's a 545 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: it's a constant way, it just goes on and you 546 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: really capture that. Wow, thank you they. I was amazed 547 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: at some of the interviews that people would They've been 548 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: carrying this burden with them forever, and they talked, try 549 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: to describe their feelings and then many many times they 550 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: would actually get choked up and break down in the 551 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: interview because it was that close to him. They looked 552 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: for closure for decades and you can tell that it 553 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: was still so important, so close to them. Because they 554 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: couldn't get through the interview, we'd have to stop the 555 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: film and let them recover. Um. Um. It was a 556 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: fascinating story. I'm glad we did it. It's it is 557 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: available at the website, but also right now it's at 558 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: Southern California PBS to see if they want to get 559 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: involved with the film, so hopefully they will. That seems 560 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: like an appropriate venue for it, and it's kind of 561 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: done for that audience and uh yeah, if people want 562 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: to check it out, and I'm sure a lot of 563 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: this audience will want to. It's Storyteller Films dot TV 564 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: and the film is a solemn promise America is missing 565 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: in action. And as I mentioned before, you've done quite 566 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: a few other films looking at the website, Stalin's Voice, 567 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: A Tale of a City, The Personal Experienced, Helicopter Warfare 568 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: in Vietnam, which is the one that you mentioned that 569 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: you did for the History Channel. One last hit Crack 570 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: Cocaine and the History of Army Aviation. So it's a 571 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: lot of things, not just military history, but then also 572 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: a documentary on the drug war. So you have a 573 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: pretty wide array of subjects that you've tackled. And right 574 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: now we're in pre production on a film on the 575 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration NOAH, because they it's an 576 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: amazing organization. When you watch TV at night, the weather 577 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: report really is generated by NOAH. No no matter how 578 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: they portray it and talk about it, all this weather 579 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: information comes from NOAH. It affects our agriculture or planning 580 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: our storms, severe storms, extreme storms. They have. This is 581 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: the organization that has planes that fly through hurricanes, and 582 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: they have satellites, planes and ships all doing research and 583 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: discovery all over the planet. UM and they are on 584 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: the They are the point of the sphere on climate 585 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: change and discovering how that's affectiveness and what possibly can 586 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: be done about it and why it's happening. So originally 587 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: I approached him to do just a film, just a 588 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: one off, and it looks like now it's going to 589 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: be a six to seven part series, but we are 590 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: in the very early stages of it. That'll be great 591 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: to see what was the inspiration behind that. As a 592 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: pilot and a sailor as well, I've just always known 593 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: that they were there, that that was the original source 594 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: material for all the weather that we look at all 595 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: over the planet, and UM was amazed that nobody knew 596 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: about it. There almost nobody knows about it. So I 597 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: did a solemn promise, went to UM uh Smithsonian Channel 598 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: and I got a wonderful email back from the vice 599 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: president Programming and she loved the film. But they weren't 600 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: going to be doing anything military. However, if you're going 601 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: to be doing something in science, UM, please let us know. 602 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: So that's where we're going to probably take it first. 603 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: We are in the pre production. We're still working out 604 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: contracts with Noah, but they are all over it. People 605 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: friends of mine, filmmakers said, you know, they're not going 606 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: to whe there're a government agency. They really don't care 607 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: about this. But when I approached them and started talking 608 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: to them, they were just all over it about telling 609 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: their story because nobody does know what they do. And 610 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: there sister agency, NASA gets all of the press, and 611 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: of course NASA's a lot sexier organization, but uh, uh, 612 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: Noah's important to they. You know, one third of the 613 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: crops in this country are affected by Noah's reports. So 614 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: and navigation for both ships and planes. Uh, they're just 615 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: about mixed up with everything that we do every day. 616 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: Excelutely looking forward to that. Yeah, I think a lot 617 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: of this audience will want to check that out once again. 618 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: The website is Storyteller Films dot TV. Uh. This has 619 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: been great and I'm very appreciative of the fact that 620 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: Mark I Blanca got us in touch. I'm sorry that 621 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: Jack was out for this one, because I think he'd 622 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: probably have some good questions as well. But maybe we 623 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: could follow up at some point. Um, any anything else 624 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: that you're working on that you want a lot us 625 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: know about now? The book and uh, the Voyage of 626 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: Noah is the currently the working title for that documentary. 627 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: And uh, that's there's a couple of smaller projects that 628 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: I am trying to do, but that is really the 629 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: focus of Storyteller Films at this point. So that's enough, 630 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, well, we'll stay in touch and 631 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: let us know when when that comes about and we'll 632 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: have you back on. Well, thank you, I I appreciate 633 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: that very much. 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