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Speaker 1: draft analysis for them, came out with a new mock

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Speaker 1: draft yesterday. Matt, and this one's interesting. Only one quarterback

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Speaker 1: and then maybe Detroit takes Ritter or out or you know,

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Speaker 1: to overpay for him. At twelve, the Vikings take Jordan Davis. Wow,

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Speaker 1: let's so let's say similar to this one this draft,

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Speaker 1: wait until the end of the second round to do it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they would think about moving up in that situation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they would. Maybe they would be a trade partner

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Speaker 1: the Bengals then take in or Booth. Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I think it could be defensive tackle. Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: take Nakobe Dean pure value. That's and that's what DJ

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Speaker 1: I can't believe Willis gets skipped. That's the one unbelievable thing.

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. One quarterback, one quarterback in the first round.

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Speaker 1: If I'm the Steelers, you can't pass on Derek Stingley, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could blitz every like crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: strong but right, right, right right, But they're second somebody.

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll find ways to get him on the field.

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Speaker 1: You'll find ways to play. You play a lot more dime, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with that, a lot of stuff, yeah, absolutely, but that

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