WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Tariq "Black Thought" Trotter

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>As we gear up for the twenty twenty five Roots Picnic,

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<v Speaker 2>why not listen back to QLs with Tarik Trotter also

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<v Speaker 2>known as black Boy, And this may have been the

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<v Speaker 2>most roquestic West Love Supreme guests that we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always planned to do it with the Roots album.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead we did it for Tarik's book, The Upcycle Self.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure you get that. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Suprema roll call, the Suprema Suprema roll call, Suprema Supremo,

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<v Speaker 3>roll call, Suprema su.

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<v Speaker 2>Supremo roll He is the best. Yeah, nothing to prove. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we get the honor. Yeah, talking about Suprema.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Fante Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Back on the block with my man yap It Codo.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Sugar. Yeah, I shall proceed.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah to eat your shrooms and smoke your weeds.

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<v Speaker 1>Supremo Supremorem.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm hi Bill, I'm not better than you, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 7>thanks to Fantee, I'm a better rapper than you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>And my favorite MC. Yeah who else? Yeah, motherfuck whoa.

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<v Speaker 4>X It's regis Yeah. I give all y'all that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but y'all gonna have to chill. Yeah, I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have to rap.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring Roll, come bre so sound Soup, pre roll, come up,

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<v Speaker 3>Preemo something something up? Preemo roll care un South upreing roll?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa wait? You know like us dot X will stop

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<v Speaker 1>a bar like like he will stop the bar fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>bars before he finishes that I did. I did because.

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<v Speaker 5>Like too many times and there's a really long pause.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm celebrating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can get used to this. This is another

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<v Speaker 2>in person yeah classic dust dustin.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the most anticipated episodes of all Questlove Supreme times.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the amount of times that has been in the

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<v Speaker 2>group chat when is this going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>When is this going to happen? I don't know for me.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're old enough to know the reference, this will

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the anytime that Eddie Murphy comes on the

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<v Speaker 2>Arsenal Show, where it's like, how do you add professional

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<v Speaker 2>with someone that you've known for four decades of all

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<v Speaker 2>your life? Like you know, this is another episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Quest Love Supreme. Ladies and Gentlemen, Quest Love and Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>where the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell are we? Like go back in time?

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<v Speaker 2>It's an old time streshold recording studio. Yes, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm in nineteen thirty six and also nineteen ninety six. Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also to.

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<v Speaker 4>Today is the I guess the thirteenth we anniversary of

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<v Speaker 4>an undone undone drop today December sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's awesome. Twelfth twelve year twelve, right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's twelve. Yeah, I'm getting numb to roots album anniversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I got so many of them.

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<v Speaker 8>I know.

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<v Speaker 9>Man, what a beautiful privilege. That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So yeah, sugar Steve, how was life good?

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<v Speaker 1>That's night? Bill? You made it? What's up? I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>You gave me like a half a second house, like

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<v Speaker 5>I was like house Like great?

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<v Speaker 1>Great? I paid Bill. What's going on? Great?

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<v Speaker 7>Everything's good. I'm happy to be here. I thought I

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't going to be here at the weather sort of

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<v Speaker 7>me here. Okay, that's awesome. Uh fron Tikeolo. This is

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<v Speaker 7>the first time we're talking to you after seeing the documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, yeah, that was a response.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been amazing, man, kind of overwhelming, but uh no, man,

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<v Speaker 4>it's yeah. It's being received exactly how we want to

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<v Speaker 4>be received. We made it with a lot of love,

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<v Speaker 4>and we get a lot of love back, So check

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<v Speaker 4>it out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Go check it out, all right, And what's the the

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<v Speaker 1>next move after the documentary? I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just we literally, so we finished this.

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<v Speaker 4>We finished the doc November seventh, We had our first

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<v Speaker 4>screen in November knife and then we released it November

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ain't trying to do shit a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just yeah, yeah, we don't know about that life.

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<v Speaker 4>Not doing shit, Yeah, not doing shit. Hey, hey, I

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<v Speaker 4>hate man right back to rap, back to the lag.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I will say that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>real good to see because it was also just like

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented territory because not since maybe Metallica's Some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Monster have us seen a documentary of a group really

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<v Speaker 2>do self analytical work. Because normally it's just like cutting

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<v Speaker 2>place and then nineteenth thirer and we did this and

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<v Speaker 2>no no no, no, no no no, and then happen

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that sort of undone unsung methods, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>good to watch. And actually our guest today and myself

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<v Speaker 2>or at the very beginning of our process, so.

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<v Speaker 4>We're finna bite jack. That whole concept really really break

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<v Speaker 4>off ship, Like yo, man, how come we you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean, like you down to the to the

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<v Speaker 4>very last compound and ship.

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<v Speaker 8>That's what you do with the youth though, y'all, y'all

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<v Speaker 8>you've put themselves out there and then we you know,

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<v Speaker 8>how's it going. I'm good.

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<v Speaker 9>I am so happy that we finally got this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, we have literally one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>wordsmiths that ever entered the realm of hip hop, which

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<v Speaker 2>sort of sounds like an empty intro, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually literally true. What actually makes this even more special

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<v Speaker 2>a propose that we're here kind of to celebrate a

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<v Speaker 2>new chapter in your life, which is kind of you

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<v Speaker 2>opening up to the world because you've been very mysterious

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<v Speaker 2>to the entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, it is awkward at fuck giving introduction. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I absolutely make no buns.

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<v Speaker 5>Buns, you don't make buns.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't about no, I absolutely make no bones

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<v Speaker 2>about our guest today being not only just one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest people of all time. But you know, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to refer to Trek because he's

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<v Speaker 2>literally probably been the most consistent figure in my life period.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've seen him on a regular basis for the

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<v Speaker 2>last thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Years of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I haven't done that with my mother, my father

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<v Speaker 2>and my sister, any girlfriend, Like it's kind of my

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<v Speaker 2>work spouse, which I don't even have shame in that. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is this is a commitment. The greatest

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<v Speaker 2>of all time. Tariq Black thought Trotter is on costloft supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>You so.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, oh, God.

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<v Speaker 2>See that our sineo ednything started already before every for

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<v Speaker 2>any ll moment, there's always here in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>God is great. Yeah. Initially my plan was like to

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<v Speaker 1>lay back and let the four of you go at it, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask whatever, but even I have questions. I'm mid read

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<v Speaker 2>of the book right now. But since you are bursting

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<v Speaker 2>at the seams, start.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, let's just start with this.

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<v Speaker 8>The fact that this is one of the most anticipated projects,

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<v Speaker 8>at least in our circle of people. We've been waiting

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<v Speaker 8>to hear your story for probably the last couple decades.

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<v Speaker 8>So I want to know why now and why the

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<v Speaker 8>way that you decided to do and how you and

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<v Speaker 8>not not why the way you decided to do it,

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<v Speaker 8>but how you decided.

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<v Speaker 1>To do it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think the the why now of it

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<v Speaker 4>all is I kind of feel like now or never,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like there's a certain urgency

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<v Speaker 4>that is very tangible that you know, is to I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, I feel like there is like it's time

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<v Speaker 4>to do all all the things right we have to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, sort of do it or not, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, it was it was now or never.

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<v Speaker 1>It was you know, if not now, then when it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, why not now?

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<v Speaker 4>And you know all the different ways that I could

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<v Speaker 4>you know, self sabotage in my mind and worst case

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<v Speaker 4>scenario without I was able to resolve, you know, And

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<v Speaker 4>and yeah, it just felt like, uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>best move both you know, for me, for my sanity,

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<v Speaker 4>for my mental peace, and you know, just to give

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<v Speaker 4>people who have been long time supporters of the route

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<v Speaker 4>something new to latch on too, and you know, something

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<v Speaker 4>to identify with and you know, something that they're able

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, see representation of themselves in to some

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<v Speaker 4>extent hopefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just felt very necessary.

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<v Speaker 9>So and real quick, what's this process?

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<v Speaker 8>Because I told Fante this morning, we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 8>your book a lot and between May the Lord watch

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<v Speaker 8>his documentary and the upcycle self. They're very special because

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<v Speaker 8>we are seeing not just our two of our favorite

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<v Speaker 8>artists to our favorite MC's, but we are seeing two

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<v Speaker 8>black men of certain ages reveal themselves in ways that

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<v Speaker 8>we may not be used to seeing film wise and

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<v Speaker 8>on paper. So when talking to Fonte and knowing that

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<v Speaker 8>he started his process years ago, because the onion has

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<v Speaker 8>to be peeled, how does that work for you? As

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<v Speaker 8>far as yet, I'm going to do this book. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>going to bring this, but I know you had to

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<v Speaker 8>go through the Okay, do I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 8>this or I don't want to talk about that, and

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<v Speaker 8>I ain't gonna do that, but somebody had to go

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<v Speaker 8>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you have to do that.

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<v Speaker 9>You have to say these things.

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<v Speaker 6>How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Far? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well this isn't my first attempt at a memoir,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I feel like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like this is a third time, So third.

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<v Speaker 1>Times a charm, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I partnered up with a couple of different people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the collaborators in the past, and you know, great minds,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've got you know, hours of hours of of interview. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, audio and video stuff, and we took you know,

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<v Speaker 4>lots of notes and sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Did all of the all of the you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the groundwork.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I wasn't able to get through the process

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<v Speaker 4>in either of those instances. And I think in this

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<v Speaker 4>dynamic like between me and Jasmine Martin, Jasmine is.

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<v Speaker 1>From Philadelphia, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>As I we've worked together on so many different things

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<v Speaker 4>over the past now five or six years or so.

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<v Speaker 4>We had just did a comparable sort of project for

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<v Speaker 4>Audible during Quarantine in seven years, so like the bones

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<v Speaker 4>were there, So it was just about, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how are we gonna approach it? And we wrote this

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<v Speaker 4>book the way that we would record an album or

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<v Speaker 4>work on a screenplay or do anything for musical theater.

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<v Speaker 4>It was sort of you know, from the inside out,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. On some Quentin Tarantino shit.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the beauty of you know, just being

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<v Speaker 4>it being my first time you know what I mean

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<v Speaker 4>doing the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a there's a.

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<v Speaker 4>Blitz they you know, they don't say ignorance is bliss

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<v Speaker 4>for nothing, right, So there's something in the just the

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<v Speaker 4>abandon of not knowing better not knowing the right way

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<v Speaker 4>to do a thing, so you just do it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like the artistic or you know, most efficient or creative way.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm experiencing right now. How many years

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<v Speaker 1>was this book in the making. It took about a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half, two years, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And the first two attempts that you made at doing

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of this biography? What made those I guess

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<v Speaker 4>the wrong attempts? Like what didn't work about those? I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was just the relate like I was sort

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<v Speaker 4>of relinquishing my my story, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>And in both of those situations, it was almost as

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<v Speaker 4>if I was along for the ride because these were

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<v Speaker 4>too far more experienced authors and you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>people that I had, you know, I still have a

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<v Speaker 4>great deal of respect for, but they just aren't familar. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, no one could tell your story the way

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<v Speaker 4>you can tell it, you know. But I wasn't, you know, ready,

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<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, to tell it myself. So I figured,

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<v Speaker 4>by you know, just association, I would receive, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the same sort of validation as if I if I

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, jump jumped out there on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>And that wasn't the case, and uh yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't ready, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Things happened when they when as they should, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think either of those you know, like respectfully,

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<v Speaker 4>it just wasn't you know, like the right situation or time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. I get it. When in

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<v Speaker 1>writing this book, did you have to have conversations?

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<v Speaker 4>We had Will on the show and he was talking

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<v Speaker 4>about how you know, he had to have conversations with

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<v Speaker 4>family and people like, Yo, this is coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have to have those talks with your people

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<v Speaker 1>on how did they go? I had.

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<v Speaker 4>I had some of those talks with you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>whose opinion you know what I mean, who it mattered

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<v Speaker 4>to me how they feel?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you know, like there was lots that we

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<v Speaker 1>had to omit, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Like my uncle, who is my father's brother, my oldest

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<v Speaker 4>year surviving relative. He you know, he likes to talk

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<v Speaker 4>and he has no filter, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you get in your eighties, it's like yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there's very much that had to be omitted, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>some names had to be changed within There was a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of names that were left in there, and those

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<v Speaker 4>are the people you know, I had to holler at

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<v Speaker 4>like my auntie. Now you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like you go be good, that's it. And

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know some homies, like there were a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of people who I grew up with who just

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<v Speaker 4>some minor inconsistencies, Like there was one thing that I saw,

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<v Speaker 4>like in the book, it says that these two kids

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<v Speaker 4>that my boys started this organization of writers called T

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<v Speaker 4>E T. And they didn't start T E T. They

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<v Speaker 4>weren't even they weren't ain't even right. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was doing the audio book, I caught it

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<v Speaker 4>because I did my own audiobook, so I caught it

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<v Speaker 4>and I corrected it. But you know, I wasn't gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have to. You got to come out the posative is like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>one more thing I want to change. So it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they just has to stay in there. But I hit

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<v Speaker 4>them up, like, yo, you know you read the book,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to say X, Y and Z. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>not really, you know, to make sure it was good

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<v Speaker 4>with the dudes who were credited at starting the group,

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<v Speaker 4>but to make sure it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Good with the dudes who were in it and they

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do it to you, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But everybody's all good and folks that I grew up with,

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<v Speaker 4>like people from my block, like like who you know. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>in the in those scenarios, in those moments in time

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<v Speaker 4>that that that I reconjured in the book, have read

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<v Speaker 4>it and told me that it was a great read

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<v Speaker 4>and that it was you know, the transportive and in

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<v Speaker 4>the way that we intended it to be. In the book,

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<v Speaker 4>you talk about specifically a fight you and the Meer

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<v Speaker 4>had in London and how that changed the course of

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<v Speaker 4>you guys relationship in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think it changed y'all? How did that

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<v Speaker 1>change y'all dynamic?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I think, uh, if you if you

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<v Speaker 4>have a close friend, you and a close friend get in,

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<v Speaker 4>you're like come to you know, a fisticuffs like you're

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<v Speaker 4>come to blows something that's forever changed. Right, If it's

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<v Speaker 4>between two people who are used to fighting all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>then you know it's sometimes just far little like with

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<v Speaker 4>that change is you know, I mean, it's less significant

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<v Speaker 4>then if that's somebody's only fight, Like I'm going through

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<v Speaker 4>my mind I can't remember how many fights I've been

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't even stomped out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I win, some lose, some bunch of fights. Shit.

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<v Speaker 4>It said, if that's like your only fight, if you

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<v Speaker 4>had like one, two, three altercations, then yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 4>think it would be just more impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just how I understood it, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for me, it was something that like later

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<v Speaker 4>that day I moved on, like you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>definitely again like something had been changed, but it was

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<v Speaker 4>such an insignificant change for me. But yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 4>feel like in our mirrors, you know, world, there was

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<v Speaker 4>something that, uh, you know, there was a line that

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<v Speaker 4>had been crossed that you know what I'm saying, we

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<v Speaker 4>could never sort of cross.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and look at my own funeral. That was

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<v Speaker 1>or like I was a quick fist couple of more

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling like wrestling. It was like a chokehold. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was wrestling that.

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<v Speaker 9>Or did you get it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I just sat on top.

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<v Speaker 4>Of himinety pounds, like I never heard of this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is like when you're my size,

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<v Speaker 2>like people just rightfully think like I'm never fucking with him,

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<v Speaker 2>so I never had to fight my life.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the only fight I've ever had in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 8>Do y'all understand that for the majority of the public,

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<v Speaker 8>they don't really get to see, like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 8>writing a whole chapter about a mirror and how you

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<v Speaker 8>guys man at how y'all connected In real life? People

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<v Speaker 8>watch y'all and they watch you on the stage, they

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<v Speaker 8>watch him from drums, but they really don't see y'all

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<v Speaker 8>ever connect. And I gotta say, as a fan and

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<v Speaker 8>I feel like family friends not so much. But I remember,

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<v Speaker 8>I said to Day this morning, I said, I remember

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<v Speaker 8>the one time and the first time that I saw

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<v Speaker 8>y'all like embrace, right. I remember how it felt to

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<v Speaker 8>see it. I remember where I was. I was at

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<v Speaker 8>the Black Lily, at the five Spot. I felt emotional

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<v Speaker 8>because it was just something that I hadn't seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all.

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<v Speaker 8>Y'all was having a private conversation at the bar, was

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<v Speaker 8>having a private conversation at the bar. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>like a let me hug you, bro, but it was

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<v Speaker 8>just like a show of affection that I had never

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<v Speaker 8>seen between the two of you and I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 9>Are y'all kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I'll see you tomorrow, But y'all don't do

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 8>You tomorrow, hug bro, I'll see you tomorrow. Like that's

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<v Speaker 8>not something that people are used to seeing it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have despite whatever, the the whatever, my like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what people think they see me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard I'm super arrogant. I hear I'm happy, go lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah, I'm very aloof.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one thing I had to work on the

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic was really letting go of old ideas and perceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one thing that I was always taught that

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<v Speaker 2>my dad always taught me. And that's basically because he

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<v Speaker 2>went through a situation with the business that he started

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<v Speaker 2>with his brothers, and one of his big rules was

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<v Speaker 2>always like, you know, never start business with family.

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<v Speaker 1>You can never ever mix business in your friendship. D

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<v Speaker 1>da da da.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen the told that that business took on

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, like we we lost, he lost so much money.

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<v Speaker 2>We Yeah, I think I met it on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we lived three years without gas in the house

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like either a private school for a

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<v Speaker 2>mere or a gas This is before Kappa. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there is some crazy shit with me. So that said,

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<v Speaker 2>I always like, once I realize, oh, we're running a business,

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<v Speaker 2>then I wondered, like, well, I wonder how like, well

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<v Speaker 2>shit change? Like well, we still spend the night at

0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 2>each other's house, Like can we be friends or am

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<v Speaker 2>run a business? So I was, and even when I

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<v Speaker 2>joke about the Grifven door Slytherin thing, in my mind

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<v Speaker 2>it was always like, now that we have a business,

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<v Speaker 2>I should keep a professional distance so.

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<v Speaker 1>That the business can last long.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also knew that I was sacrificing because I

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<v Speaker 2>do miss those times where like we just hang out

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, watch movies and all that stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, I think I was carrying a lot

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 2>of my father's beliefs I started carrying on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one thing I thought about was like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when Uncle Rosie and Dad and so now

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm starting business, what's on it's like a brother

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<v Speaker 2>than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I could never do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean there's something to that, right, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, Like that isn't like lots of OG's have

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<v Speaker 4>that philosophy. And it's not for you know, not for nothing,

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.520
<v Speaker 4>and you know, like just to speak to that same

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<v Speaker 4>sort of you know thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I mean, Sean and I you showing who

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<v Speaker 1>manages the Roots. That is my cut.

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<v Speaker 4>That's who I'm talking. That's who that nigga just left.

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<v Speaker 4>When I burned down the house, he would yeah the

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<v Speaker 4>fuck it. His spot on the on the floor was

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.840
<v Speaker 4>still warm. But you know, we grew up only you know,

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<v Speaker 4>two years apart from one another, and just really close

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<v Speaker 4>as cousins in the same way that our mothers were.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like sisters, but they were aunt and niece.

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<v Speaker 4>And he and I were you know, great cousins, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know we were more like brothers about that too.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we went to you know, college together, that

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing. But once he became you know, the Roots

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<v Speaker 4>business manager, and once he partnered up with Rich, there

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 4>was something that I mean, it changed, Like there's something

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<v Speaker 4>that changed.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always wondered if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know it's like, yeah, we used to kick it all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. We go get drinks, we go we at parties,

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<v Speaker 4>we you know what I mean. I talked to you

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<v Speaker 4>in the morning, We're on the phone, and there's something

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<v Speaker 4>that there is a you know, uh uh consciousness of

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<v Speaker 4>maintaining the business bar that I think. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a there's something admirable and being able to separate the professionalism,

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.440
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean in that way, You know

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:23.920
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. It's like he and I have brothers

0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 4>showing our cousins. I don't think that's ever gonna change,

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<v Speaker 4>but for the brand's sake, for the sake of the business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. Sometimes you gotta do what

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<v Speaker 4>you gotta do. So I mean, I completely understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know, like there are lots of other examples that

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<v Speaker 4>have been set, you know what I mean, other cats,

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<v Speaker 4>other you know, artists that have been collaborative in a

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 4>comparable way, but none of them have stood the test

0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:45.440
<v Speaker 4>of time that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>So it must be something to that shit. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. It is weird. The once, uh once,

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<v Speaker 1>during the bionic period of Bionics.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, this is two thousand and three, I think two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two, two thousand and three, I caught in

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.199
<v Speaker 2>a twenty minute candid moment. I forget where we were,

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<v Speaker 2>either like a photo shoot or something like that, and

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I was far away, but I was keeping my eye

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>on him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait a minute, they actually like each other. Yeah,

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like yo friends. Because it's also a thing where you

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<v Speaker 1>got to understand that to.

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<v Speaker 2>Endure, and we can't stress enough the amount of stress

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:33.919
<v Speaker 2>and turmoil. Those first like four years were where daily

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>every day like my one dream of why this has

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 2>to work is I can never I will never ever

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<v Speaker 2>go back to fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Twelve O Sage Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember Jungle Fever, when that

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 2>moment where Annabella Sior had to like in a moment

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>of defeat, have to come back home to her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And my worst nightmare was this one because even before

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 2>things fall apart, like every day I had to deal

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 2>with here, my dad sort of say like you gotta

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 2>get a real job, and or you're doing a video,

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 2>but was a cable bill and what about the electric bill?

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<v Speaker 1>And so my mind like it's like I can never.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is that we have to be

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>in tight the way that you describe being on that tour,

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 2>in like tight circles, Like I've never spent that much

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 2>amount of time with any human that long. So it's

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>like you gotta maintain a professional relationship and your brothers

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and again I'm just I'm going you

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna live out the examples of what was getting

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like there were some people who were in

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.400
<v Speaker 4>the Roots who did that to the extreme. Like it's

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 4>a delicate balance, you know what I mean. You have

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 4>cats who I mean on more than one occasion, more

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<v Speaker 4>than one member of the Roots who we we travel,

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 4>they act like they ain't even they don't know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like like dude, like we in't fuck it.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta be Calicutta right now, like we always Yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 4>I like, you know what I'm saying, like we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>come together, but you know, and I think it was

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, in that I think people did that for

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<v Speaker 4>some of the same reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just extreme, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird you mentioned the hook thing because there's one

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 2>moment I remember, which was at Dyla's funeral, and I

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>believe either John or my Duke's sorter said like, shot me,

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 2>not shot me. Look because everyone was sitting in the

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 2>front row and of course, you know, me carries a

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>flag for Dilla like I should be, but I wanted

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>to sit in the back and it seemed kind of

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>odd because it was a large church, but it wasn't

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>that many people. It was like maybe forty fifty people

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>in a place that could hold like three hundred, Like

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Dyla's buried in the same cemetery that Michael Jackson and

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Taylor are, So it's like a large, sprawling estate,

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 2>but there's only like fifty people there. And I purposely

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 2>sat like in the last row, like with seventeen roads

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>like ahead of me, of emptiness. And at the time

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend was like, well, why are we sitting back here?

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And I was just like, it's so foolish now. But

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 2>my whole thing was like, oh man, I can't let

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<v Speaker 2>Tarik see me in a vulnerable, weak moment, which is

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 2>again I was whatever it is you can never hold

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>pre twenty twenty meters.

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<v Speaker 8>Now look at it, like, now that we've read the

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<v Speaker 8>book and we have had these conversations in the last

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 8>seven years, is about you know, I had moments reading

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 8>that book, even when Tarik was describing your home situation

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 8>like with the past inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you know what I remember, no one ever broke

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<v Speaker 1>into my crib.

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<v Speaker 4>What I remember about Dyla's funeral was, yeah, definitely you know,

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 4>like just how you know, gargantuan, the sort of the

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<v Speaker 4>space was. We were only in the first few rows

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 4>and stuff. But yeah, I remember being like, yo, where

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 4>where the fuck is I'm here at you know what

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. And then I just remember like when it

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 4>was over. I think at one point like I connected

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 4>Dave New York. When it was over, I hugged. I

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 4>fucking cried, like that was the first time I was

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 4>able to, Like I hadn't cried the whole time of hearing,

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, throughout the whole shit.

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw a mire after the funeral and I just

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>started balling.

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Started right and it was such So it felt weird

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>to me because like I maintained such a professional distance thing,

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>but this is like, oh shit, now I gotta switch

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the light on and go back to nineteen ninety one

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 2>when we were born, you know what I mean?

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>After that?

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 8>Do you go back after the hug and the embrace?

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 8>Does it slowly open up things?

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Or do you go back to So here's the funny thing,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So I'm in, you know, and I'm sure

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>my my psychological journey and all that stuff. So I

0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>did a session once and I kind of slipped, and

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 2>she said, well, you know, what was Tarik's opinion on that?

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, it's cool, you know whatever.

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>He said, no, no, what do you say for Batim?

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, he ain't say it, but it'll be

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>cool that. She's like, wait, how how long do you

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>talk to Treik? And she's the kind of person. So

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 2>she's the kind of person that if she sees a scab,

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.479
<v Speaker 2>she'll just start scratching it scratching, and it's like, yo,

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I got other issues.

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I got you know, mother issues.

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, And she kept wanting to go there and

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to like matrix bullet dodge, and she clearly

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>saw my discomfort, and she was just asking basic questions.

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Like well, how long do you talk?

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Does dark know that like you're in therapy and da

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>da da da, and that you're turning new leaf? And

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, cool, man, you feel you know the

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>thing like where you like you don't say like, oh

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I love you man, and you know, and I had

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a hard time just come to grips with myself, like

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.239
<v Speaker 2>looking in the mirror and all that stuff. And so well,

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>she the way that she sort of gets me the

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>part that I never reveal. It's her method's a little

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>bit different. Let's just say there's a certain amount of

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>cash money in escrow in which I have to in

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 2>this December, so I'm gonna have to start write a

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 2>contract of what my goals are for twenty twenty four.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And if I don't stick to that, then she will

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>present my worst nightmare, which is, Okay, I'm gonna take

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>this money and donate it all to the GOP.

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, okay, okay, I'll stop eating sugar.

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll stop eating sugar.

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's almost like she has to she has to

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>mind trick and force me to do cause I'll just

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>say like, yeah, I'll talk to him next week, next week,

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>next month, next week.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing.

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's it's almost akin to that of like

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>you know when you get a girl's number in high

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>school and you're in the mirror, Like I'm in the

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>mirror my dressing room, like all right, so you know,

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm in therapy and like I'm rehearsing my lines like

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>a week ahead of time and shit, and she's like

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>calling me, all right, so what did Duik say about

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:03.239
<v Speaker 2>your thing?

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>And I was like all right, all right, all right,

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. She's like,

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take this money. And the relationship is a

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>hostage negotiations.

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing right like I'm the person that has to

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be threatened to do the right thing, like I'll expose

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>you if you don't, you know, take care of yourself.

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>So I was like all right, I said, so uh

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and there's like doing the pandemic.

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, all right, reek, yeah, so you know,

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of doing self work and stuff and you know,

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 2>microdoc and.

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 5>Here we go, right, so I got my life together.

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm micro.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did like so I did like this whole

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>ship and I mentioned one of the people and I

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, so you know, I'm reading this book

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 2>by this guy named doctor Joe Despenza and he talks

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>about how like communications.

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Like oh yeah, doctor Joe, Yeah, I'm done with that.

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>And in my head, I'm like, holy shit, wait what

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>does he know about that? I said, you know about

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that joke?

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, you know years ago when you know,

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 2>when I first started therapy and the like holy shit,

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>you're in therapy, like ya I was, And when I

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>got back. I was like, yo, I didn't know. I

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>thought I was the only one like doing the self

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>improvement thing, and treeks like.

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Beat me by like years really years?

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 9>Really?

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, little bit he was like four years ago.

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I started in twenty twenty.

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>He was like, what was fifteen?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I am man. I've become close friends

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 4>with a fellow named Kyle Vaines. And Kyle he worked

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 4>with me and Mark Jenkins and Ray Angry. He was

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 4>like a supplement dude. Well you know that worked at

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 4>this you know, this gym that we were training that

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.959
<v Speaker 4>whenever Mark would come to work with D'Angelo, we would all,

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean be working down in the financial

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 4>district at this spot. So at one point Kyle disclosed

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 4>to Ray and I about how his girlfriend at the time,

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 4>his fiance, was a huge Roots fan. You know, she

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 4>was terminally ill and really the only thing that was

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 4>getting her through was our song Tomorrow, the one with

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, me and Ron Rahiem and yeah, so you

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 4>know she wound up, you know, transitioning. We all kept

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 4>in touch and as luck would have it, we were

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 4>out in La I think like her funeral, her memorial

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 4>was like a few days before we would have been

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.479
<v Speaker 4>out there for Grammys or whatever. So me and Ray

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 4>went out there early, performed at her memorial and became,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, closer friends with Kyle. So Kyle and I,

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 4>that's like he's my hiking buddy, you know what I'm saying.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 4>We meet up at different places around the country and

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, just go on walks, and you know, he

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 4>was always heavy into meditation, and when he started rocking

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 4>with Joe Dispenser, he started sending me his meditations early on,

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 4>and I couldn't get with it, you know what I'm saying,

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 4>because the dudes he talks with, you know what I'm saying.

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 4>But he just kept bombarding with the ship until you know,

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 4>like I got one meditation that was it was you know,

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 4>short enough for me to get into. And it was

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 4>also it wasn't so long that you know, it started

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 4>to because I tried to do it with my family

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 4>and everything, and they was like, yo, I can't do this,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 4>Like why is dude talking that way? But once you

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 4>get over how he's saying this shit, you start to

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 4>see results and you start to feel, you know what

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying different. So yeah, I've been rocking with it

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 4>for a minute. But that's how I got turned onto it,

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? And uh, I think Kyle

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 4>was the first person that gave me that book Becoming Supernatural?

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Is that is meditation? Is that still a practice today

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that you still do?

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 8>It is?

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know what really you know tripped me out

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>was I forgot.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even realize when I discovered uh Joe Dispenser's

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 4>meditations that he was the same dude from that documentary.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>What the bleep do we know that did that? He

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>did the water experiment?

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, that doc that that Japanese

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 4>dude does, who wrote you know, the hidden messages in water?

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Where you know, if I take a glass of water,

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 4>if I take three glasses of water, say I take

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 4>two glasses of water from the same source, and I

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, for a certain amount of time,

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 4>a week or two weeks, just curse and talk down

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 4>to this glass of water, and you know, I praised

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 4>this container water and then we freeze them and then

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 4>look at it under the microscope. You'll see that the

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 4>water that I focused all the negative energy on is

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 4>going to you know what I mean, produce just all

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 4>these ugly sort of like you're gonna be able to

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 4>visibly see the ugliness that I projected.

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like I projected toxicity onto you.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Know what I mean, this water and the water that

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 4>you you know, praise and that you hit, you know,

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 4>and focus your positive energy on, like the images of

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 4>like you know, beautiful you know, one of one, like snowflakes,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean when you look at it

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 4>at the microscope.

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Because we're water, right, human being. So this dude who's meditations,

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>he and I do.

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 4>I was already a fan of his from the water shit,

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean really years probably ten twelve years ago,

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 4>and then I didn't realize, oh shit, this is that

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 4>same dude.

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Then, you know what I mean.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 4>I started listening to really his podcast interviews and stuff

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 4>because he was he was he was like paralyzed from

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 4>the neck down from an accident and you know, just

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 4>through my control, he was able to you know, focus

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 4>on different parts of his body and bring it all back,

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So he's he's the real

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 4>deal in that. You know, he's still he talks with

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 4>weird though.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>So yes, he talks weird.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 2>But that was the thing, like I didn't realize that

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Treek was actually more advancing this ship than I was. Like,

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm like bringing some like shit where man,

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 2>motherfucker's going to start clowning me and you all like

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 2>he was waiting on you to get here, right exactly,

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what happened. So yeah, I'm yah, man doing white

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>people's shit.

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly.

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because just doing doing the work and doing you know,

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>as with most of us discovered for a lot of us,

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 2>doing the work is it's it's a vulnerable thing to

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>put yourself through and oftentimes we're looking at ourselves through

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the eyes of what others will think about me and

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. And it really wasn't until mid twenty

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty in which a lot of us were like, okay,

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 2>mental health and you know, not just church hand, no choice.

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 9>But and I gotta just say, at least for your

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 9>story read like you.

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 8>You would hope, just based on the surface of what

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 8>we knew before you presented this book to us, that

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 8>you were in therapy, because it always just felt like

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 8>your life it was heavy.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I've definitely you know, I've done different

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 4>sorts of therapy, and you know, I think this book

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 4>just the process has been. You know, it was like

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 4>it was a therapeutic, cathartic sort of thing for me

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 4>to work through. I knew I didn't want to write

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 4>a tell all. You know what I'm saying, Like there

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 4>is I'm still super private, and there was much that

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, I just still hold close

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 4>to the chest a lot of the shit. It's embarrassing,

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 4>it's fucking it's you know what I mean, it's it's.

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 9>What was the hardest thing for you to in that realm?

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 9>What was one of the hardest things it was for

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 9>you to express.

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 1>In that book?

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 4>The hardest thing I talk about in the book is,

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, firing the pistol into a building that I

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 4>knew my mother was inside of. You know what I'm saying,

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 4>that was you know, very ready it was hard, super hard.

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean, in that moment, you know, it felt it

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:05.439
<v Speaker 4>made perfect sense.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 8>It was so brave of you, and I appreciated you

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 8>for introducing us to your mom. Yeah, she was like,

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 8>I mean I've never even met a high ranking woman.

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, I was going to ask you another part

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 4>in the book you mentioned, you know, just relationships that

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 4>your behavior, you know, you knew you kind of like

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 4>kind of ruined in some ways.

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>How did you go about fixing those relationships? And what

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>did that look like?

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, some some of those relationships I haven't been able.

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, they've been irreparable, you know what I mean.

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 4>And sometimes it's a hard pill to swallow, but you know,

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 4>you gotta swallow it, right one of the relation you know,

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 4>I really, I mean, we would all hope that you

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 4>be able to make it all good with like your

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:57.760
<v Speaker 4>nuclear family.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 1>At some point. Right.

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 4>So I was, you know, I did have hopes that

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, even though I refer to him as

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 4>my half brother in this book, you know, I mean,

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 4>it's I only have one brother. So I was, you know,

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 4>it was my hopes that he was going to read

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 4>the book and I don't know, like that would be

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 4>a springboard for some self revelation, some discovery within hisself

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 4>that would lead to I don't know, some sort of

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, peace. But yeah, just as luck would have it,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 4>like the crazy shit was, I found out that they

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 4>found his body, Like what I'm saying, my brother was, Yeah,

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 4>he I don't think there was any foul play, but

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 4>he passed away. And I found out when I was

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 4>in Philly to do a book event, like the first

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 4>book event with Mark Leamon.

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>So this is recent. This is this is recent. Yeah,

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:47.720
<v Speaker 1>but you know they yeah yoa.

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 4>So So during this whole for the past two weeks,

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.439
<v Speaker 4>while I've been on this run, like promoting this book,

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I've been having to you know, shoot back and forth

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 4>to Philly and figure out the funeral arrangement. I mean,

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 4>you know he did he never wanted the funeral or

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 4>anything like that, but you know, just to get his remains,

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, cremated and that whole process. It's been a lot.

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't take any time off from you know,

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 4>tonight show or any of that either, because I just

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 4>been you know, just trying to choose my battle.

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So I just made it happen.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 9>But communicated.

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 4>The last time he and I communicated was, man, maybe

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.800
<v Speaker 4>it was it's been about two years or so, you

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean. He reached out, I know, like

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 4>within the past like two months, he reached out, but

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't able to get in contact with me.

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 4>So one question I had, how do you I mean

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 4>a mirror talkt about it as well. But like when

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 4>you are the one in your family that makes it right.

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 4>How do you go about setting up boundaries with your

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 4>family in terms of, Okay, this is what I can do,

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 4>this is what I'm not going to do.

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>How did y'all figure that out?

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 4>I think over time, you know, those boundaries just sort

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:57.240
<v Speaker 4>of reveal themselves, right in situations where it's extended family.

0:39:57.600 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 4>But with your parents, with your I mean I would

0:39:59.920 --> 0:40:01.479
<v Speaker 4>have imagine with your parents, you know what I'm saying,

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 4>but like with your siblings, with your uh, you know,

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 4>with anyone in your family who was close enough to

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 4>feel that level of entitlement, it's crazy, like it could,

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, like it could. It's for for for many

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 4>of us, it's a deal breaker, you know what I'm saying.

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 4>I have my brother on the salary for a long time,

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 4>you know where he was, you know, he never had

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 4>to do anything and you just get a check every week,

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, And it was like, I mean, but I

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 4>tried all different sorts of configurations of you know, trying

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 4>to set him up for self care and to be

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 4>able to, you know, best take care of my grandmother

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 4>too at the time before she passed away, and uh,

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, to Novail, you know what I'm saying, have your.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 8>How have your your kids, because you talked about briefly

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 8>your older kids. Of course you're younger too, but how

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 8>have they received the book or and are they aware

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 8>of everything that you have put in that My.

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Daughter Celia, uh, she's she read a couple of drafts

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 4>and she's read the book.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>So she how she some weird Yeah Saliah's seventh team. Yeah,

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>showing that my family will never read he can't do.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 4>She's read a couple of drafts and she's read the book,

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, she loves it. She you know, she

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 4>was brought to tears on a couple of different instances.

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 4>But my other kids, I know, a mayor hasn't read it.

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.399
<v Speaker 9>I wanted to say that too, that was a mayor has.

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Not read it, and you know, I don't know what

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>somethingor a mayor this year mayor is a This.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 8>Is the way you just dropped that, Like everybody knows

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 8>that Black Thought has a son named Mirror talking about it.

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 4>But no, Yeah, he's about to be twenty four and

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 4>he was just always so you know, idyllic.

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>You know that.

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 4>I feel like now I'm just it's so shocking, like

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 4>he'd be forgetting. Yeah, he's forgot my birthday this year

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 4>days late, which is it's not huge, but it's like, wow,

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 4>like this, who is who is this?

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying? He like, oh, my bad, pops,

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I've just been mushrooms.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 4>Right, But uh, I'm sure he hasn't read the book

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 4>yet because he's just you know, he's uh, he'll have

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 4>to probably up here for the holidays and in my

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 4>presence and then he'll.

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, crack it.

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 8>You've had conversations with like a mirror and stuff about

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 8>this evolution in these stories of your family and like.

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 9>How you up cycle?

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know, I try.

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 4>I've always tried to, you know, just be be transparent

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 4>with my kids about that from which we sort of

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, came. But yeah, it's hard to get them interested,

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. I drive around like, you know,

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 4>this is why I went to school. I used to

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 4>live like in this tiny structure, you know what I mean?

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.359
<v Speaker 1>This is how far. Let me show you how far

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I walked to first grade, you know what I mean?

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 4>And I say, okay, we started here and then I'm

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 4>driving drive and driving. They're like, we ain't get there yet,

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 4>like nah, and we drive. Yeah, I'm not making this up. Yes,

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 4>I was walking and maybe there was a path shovel

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 4>through the snow, but maybe there wasn't, you know what

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean. And they just you know, they lose interest.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 4>So I try not to impress it upon them. But

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 4>I think it's because you know, they're just so they

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 4>come up in a bubble. So there's that disc connect,

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, And it's it's part of

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 4>what we do. This is this is part of the

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, proverbial having overcome, you know what I mean.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 4>So the way that privilege, the way that entitlement plays out,

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 4>it plays out in different ways, and it depends on

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, I think it boils down to you know,

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we all spare the rods now, but you know,

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 4>I think it boils down to how much time has passed,

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 4>maybe how many generations have passed, you know, since the

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 4>rod has been has been spared, you know what I'm saying.

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you know, it's wild. I try not to

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>force it on him.

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 4>But just a couple of weeks ago, when we were

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 4>leaving a book event in Philly, I went to Philly

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 4>to do something. Uh oh, no, what the one I

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 4>was talking about with Mark and it was in my

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 4>old neighborhood. So we were on our way home and

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 4>just as we were on our way home, my son, Tarik,

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 4>who's eight, was like, he said, jail, Then when next

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 4>time we come to Philly, could we see you know

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 4>one of the places used to live, like maybe the

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 4>house that you burned down. And we were like two

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 4>blocks away from there. So I got to now because

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 4>he had expressed interest, I took him to the block.

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I showed him, you know, where I went to preschool,

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.760
<v Speaker 4>showed him the house that I, you know, set on fire,

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 4>and where I used to go to the corner store

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 4>and that whole thing.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And you know, not that he you know, cared, but

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I showed him with Chubby Chucker used to live.

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 4>And uh yeah, but you know now it's you know,

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 4>he has a you know, there was because he expressed interest.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 4>I think that memory but it'll sit with him in

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 4>a different way. But yeah, my other kids, they don't

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:27.479
<v Speaker 4>really they don't be caring.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I kind of want to car jack this interview.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I know we're talking about the book, but also a

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>big part of Tariq's existence is that in roots world,

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows a mirror, but no one knows, Tarik. Kind

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>of the ways where we're opposite is, uh, last night,

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I went to bed at four twenty am. I'm certain

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.839
<v Speaker 2>you were probably up at three am. What is your

0:44:57.920 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 2>morning routine?

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I usually go to bed around nine or nine thirty.

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.959
<v Speaker 1>Who does that? Well when you're not in third grade?

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 4>But I got a son who's in second grade, and

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 4>he'd be ware out, so you know, so it's all

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 4>of your kids first and foremost. I have to be

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 4>awake for as many consistent hours as possible just to

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 4>police his sugar and take If Eriq wakes up at

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 4>six am and we don't wake up till eight, there's

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 4>been two hours where he could just roll through the crib,

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 4>grabbing snacks, stashing shit, eating you know, candy for breakfast,

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 4>and then I wake up at eight, and then that's

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 4>a real shit, that's super real. Yeah yeah, yeah, So

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, So there's that. There's also if there's anything

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:44.919
<v Speaker 4>you talked about me wanting to watch Thegither, if there's

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 4>anything that I that I like to watch or that

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 4>I want to read or work on or listen to,

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 4>it has to happen before the house is up. So

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 4>it works out that I'm in bed right after when

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 4>Tarita goes to sleep at nine nine thirty, I go

0:45:58.080 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 4>to bed. But then I wake up at like four

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 4>thirty five, and then I'm good and everybody else is asleep,

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 4>and I have an hour and a half to two hours,

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, to do whatever. Right, what time do they

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 4>wake up that they wake up at seven? They wake

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 4>up at seven, And it's wild because that gives me anxiety.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Celia has a seven to twenty train to make it

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 4>to school in New York City, and she gets up

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:19.919
<v Speaker 4>at seven o'clock and she still she has to walk

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 4>the dog and be at the train, and I'm like, yo,

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.919
<v Speaker 4>how are you doing this? But she makes it happen.

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 4>She makes a happen happen. She makes it happen. Michelle

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 4>gets up at seven and you know, to get to

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.720
<v Speaker 4>school every day at the absolute latest that he can arrive.

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I know you're big on food. Are you

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the food person in the house? I am, Yeah. I cook.

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 4>I do all the grocery shopping, and I cook almost well,

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 4>eighty ninety percent of the grocery shopping, and I cook

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 4>eighty ninety percent of the meals. But yeah, also in

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 4>the morning, I do that. Joe de spends the twenty

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 4>five minute morning meditation. I knocked that out, work out

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 4>with you know physical Sometimes I.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Work out, you know what I mean. Like when I'm

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>in a workout period, I work out. But if that's

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the vibe, then then then I worked out nothing.

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 4>When I was fresh off the LL tour, you know

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, and I found out that our mayor's

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 4>trainer happened to live ten minutes from my crib, and

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, we had gotten close on the road. They

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 4>were like, yeah, cool, let's work out, you know what

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean. I did it for a solid month after

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 4>we got off the road, and then you know, we

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 4>trickled off. You know it's Thanksgiving, but yeah, I'll be

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 4>back you know January, Yeah, January, no doubt. You know

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 4>when in terms of your writing, like writing songs, writing rhymes,

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 4>how often do you write and what does writers block

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 4>look like? Well, I get home from work at night,

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I eat dinner, and then I go into my office

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 4>and I write. I either try to read full Leased

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 4>an hour or write full Leased an hour before I

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.359
<v Speaker 4>come back to you know, because my office is over

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 4>the garage, so it's like it's almost like I come

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 4>in the crib, I have dinner, and then they say, oh,

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 4>you're leaving us, you know, ended out. It's like I

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 4>go across the drive way and then I work you

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 4>know some more, and I do the same thing in

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 4>the morning.

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>So your office is outside the house. Yeah.

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 8>On a writing note, I just want to I want

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.439
<v Speaker 8>to ask about this, this one hundred three thousand quote

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 8>that he recently said. I was just talking about this

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 8>with Ponte too, where he said that at this age

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 8>he's not doing hip hop because what does he have

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 8>to talk about, like going is to get a colonoscopy.

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 9>What do you feel about that?

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 8>Because when I heard that in my friend we were like, yeah,

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 8>we actually would like to hear about things.

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think that's it. I think there are

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't really get writers block like that.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm always able to come up with something just because

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 4>of the amount of you know, constant like information like

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 4>the intake. You know what I mean, It's content being

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 4>projected at me. You know, at every turn, you know

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. I drive in, I'm listening to PRX,

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 4>which is all twenty minute chunks of storytelling, which is

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 4>dope because it just it gets me into just being

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 4>a more efficient storyteller. I listen to NPR. If I

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 4>want to hear something a long form, I listen to

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, Urban View for you know what I mean,

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, black people politics, and that's it. Like if

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 4>vol get o'bar like that, right, I mean the black ego,

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. But that's the type ship.

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's where the bars come from. Whether I

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 4>agree with it or not, you know what I mean.

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 4>It's always a springboard, you know, like into a thing.

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Are you writing like to beats or you're just writing.

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.399
<v Speaker 4>Just sometimes I'm writing not to beats, but it's more

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 4>exciting for me to write to beats. I got a

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 4>batch of joints from mad Lib for example, like you know,

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.240
<v Speaker 4>maybe two three weeks ago he hit me. He was like, Yo, Monday,

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna start bombarding with joints. Boom, Monday rolled around.

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 4>He sent me like a hundred beats, you know what

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. And then I got the beats and it

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 4>was like I narrowed it down to like eighteen and

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.439
<v Speaker 4>I started, you know, vibing to those joints. But yeah,

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.920
<v Speaker 4>you know it's exciting now for me, like to come

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 4>home and like dig through that sort of that that

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:47.800
<v Speaker 4>that collection.

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I went to La. We were in this We had a.

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 4>Couple of sessions in La over the weekend. I came back.

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.319
<v Speaker 4>So that's sort of what I've been like chipping away at.

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.799
<v Speaker 9>But yeah, say we had is that Like.

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I went.

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 4>I went to La to do a book event at

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 4>USC But I'm gonna always you know, the studio is

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 4>my church, Like that's why I feel most at home.

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 4>So if there's any possibility for me to go and

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 4>sit in the studio someplace and hear music and chill

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 4>and smoke and be social, whether I'm actually actively working

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:21.480
<v Speaker 4>on a thing or not, then that's what I'm going

0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 4>to opt for, you know what I mean. So yeah,

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I went out there, I did my book thing, and

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 4>then I went into the studio. I was in studio

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:32.360
<v Speaker 4>with madod Rich Richard Nichols. We talk about undone today.

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Was is the Anniversity of Undone. That was the second

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 4>time that I got called to be on the record,

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 4>and we did one time, and that was the first

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 4>time with that one, and also how I got over

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 4>That was the first time I really got to see

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:47.840
<v Speaker 4>how integral Rich was to the recording process because I

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 4>had never been like in the studio with y'all. So

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to just hear from you like what he

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 4>was kind of to you as you know, as a

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:00.279
<v Speaker 4>mentor manager? Like what role did he play kind of?

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 4>And you know for me, yeah, Rich was a mentor.

0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 4>I've always been big on mentorship, you know. Yeah, I

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 4>don't know where I would be, you know without it.

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 4>He lived by example, you know what I'm saying, in

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 4>many ways, and was you know, he was the roots,

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, above and beyond an executive producer.

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I always talk about he was the.

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 4>Sort of the brains of this operation, you know when

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 4>he really, you know, laid down the groundwork for us

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 4>to be able to you know, I don't think I,

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 4>mayor and I would be as self sufficient as we are,

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, had he not you know,

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 4>been focused on that, you know, ten twenty years before

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 4>it mattered to us, you know. So you know what

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 4>he was was he was that, he was the he

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 4>was on both of us. She was you know what

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, and influencer. Yeah yeah, and you know, just

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 4>working with him, like having him in on the process. Uh,

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, I knew the ball I was gonna always

0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 4>be at my best, you know what I'm saying. Always, always,

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 4>He was gonna always push us, even when you know

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 4>you might it might be something that you you really

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 4>feel like you you killed it and you you have

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 4>taken it as far as you could take it. Yeah, No,

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna you know what I mean. He was the

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 4>voice of reason and he would bring you back down

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 4>to reality in that way. Talk about uh that you

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 4>working with us in the roots. I was I felt

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 4>threatened by you when you worked with this, you know

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.800
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, just because I was like, how was this?

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Rich sent you back to the drawing board, but not

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 4>as much as he was sending us, you know what

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean. And I know it wasn't and I know

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.239
<v Speaker 4>I know, I know it wasn't because like we were

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, his family. It was because

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 4>he was just more content with what you were doing.

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, what the fuck is I to

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 4>take doing that?

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? He only had to rewrite

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 1>his ship like ten times.

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 8>You know, so this is the first time most of

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 8>us are hearing that somebody could make either money y'all

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:46.240
<v Speaker 8>read write.

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Was like, well we cameme when I when I did

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 4>the verse for one time, because the thing was it

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 4>was one time. It was it was now or never

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:58.440
<v Speaker 4>first it was now or never, and I came to

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.399
<v Speaker 4>do that one and I just wrote a verse because

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 4>he would.

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I would.

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, okay, so what's the song about? Rich and

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 4>rich would send me like a gip chat.

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>For real, I'd be like, okay, nigg i'ma what none

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of this ship mean? All right?

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 4>Fuck it, I'm gonna And so I did my verse

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.879
<v Speaker 4>and I just did it, and what none of y'all.

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 4>Y'all wasn't dead. It was just me and spawned in

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 4>the studio.

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 1>So I think even Richard left and so I did

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>my joint and I'm like, all right, I think I

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I guess this works.

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 4>And so I went to the crib, went to the

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 4>hotel and the next morning he called me, and I

0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:33.839
<v Speaker 4>didn't hear nothing because normally rich you know, he would

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 4>text or I would get something to say I ain't

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:37.720
<v Speaker 4>here ship, and I'm like okay.

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 1>So he called me.

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 4>He was like yeah, man, uh yeah, just I mean yeah,

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 4>just I'm gonna need you to go at it again.

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, all right, cool, and so I went again,

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 4>and I remember the note he gave me was he

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 4>was like, I wanted to make sense. It can't just

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 4>be dope as a rap. It has to make sense

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 4>on the page, like if you're just.

0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Reading it it's poetry, you know, or it's literature. It

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>hasn't made sense in that way.

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, shit, okay, got it. And so

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.840
<v Speaker 4>then I did the second draft. And then that was

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 4>when he called me back for the day with Blue.

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 4>And when he called me back for that, I was like,

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 4>hell yeah, cause that was one, Like I loved it.

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 4>It's like one of my favorite even without me on,

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 4>that's just one of my favorite songs. I gotalog and

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 4>so he did that one. But through all of those times, man,

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 4>he was really because I understood, like I'm walking into

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:26.600
<v Speaker 4>a studio, nigga.

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>It's you truck porn. He was from poem was.

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 4>Getting his ship and ship I would I would show up,

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 4>like you know, and I was living in LA at

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.879
<v Speaker 4>the time, of course, big up the dice. I would

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:39.800
<v Speaker 4>show up and they would, you know, because it was

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 4>so competitive, they would all you know, clamor to get

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 4>their ideas on the beat before I heard it. So

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 4>that I was, you know, just more married to you know,

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 4>that's how why I first experience the the you know,

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 4>the composition, right, I would hear they were like, yo,

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 4>you got to hear this beat.

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>And the first time they playing it for me, I

0:54:55.840 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>heard poorn verst what I'm saying. So it was competitive

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 1>in that way. But by the way, Greg porn, uh,

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you know Rag porn.

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you know, Fonte for Rich to even you

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, be concerned enough to send you

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.359
<v Speaker 4>back to the drawing board, man, I appreciate it means

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 4>it means that you were brilliant because he would, you know,

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.359
<v Speaker 4>just as quickly like nah, I mean, he couldn't give

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 4>us what we needed and we would just you know,

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 4>me move on because it was so many other people

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 4>sort of waiting for that slot. But he was concerned

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 4>with elevating you know, hip hop lyricism to literature and

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 4>elevating you know, hip hop culture to fine art. And

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 4>he was, you know, he was so disgusted, always disgusted

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 4>with the state of black lyricism, like R and B lyrics,

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 4>like you know what I mean, the ship that you know,

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 4>he fucked right, Rich fuck up the whole family cookout,

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:52.719
<v Speaker 4>just dissecting, you know what I mean.

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did. I remember we did one time for undone,

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and I remember the note he gave me.

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 4>He was like, you know, you have to be a character.

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 4>He said, I don't want you to just rap this,

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 4>like you can't just be rapping, you know what I mean.

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:11.799
<v Speaker 4>And he played me when I first when I first

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 4>got there, it was before you got in the studio,

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 4>he played me sleep and he played me sleep.

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, this shit hard and he was like, man,

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 1>re did that like thirty times like I had him doing.

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, damn.

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 4>So I went in to do I did mine, and

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was in that particular case. The lyrics

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 4>I got right because he was pretty much by that time,

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 4>I kind of knew the science. So I'm like, okay,

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.200
<v Speaker 4>I see what he's going for now. But the performance, yeah,

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 4>he dripped me on that shit. He's like, nah, I

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.400
<v Speaker 4>want you to do this word say it like that.

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, a you know now, you know I hate

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:48.479
<v Speaker 4>doing the lyrics. And you know what rich Rich would

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 4>do with me sometimes he would, you know, just get

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:52.759
<v Speaker 4>me to do it that many times and then he

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 4>do a composite that's when you do a composite of

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, the best syllables from you know, thirty different

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.319
<v Speaker 4>takes and then you know, get this composite and it'll

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 4>be That was the chat gpt of it all, because

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.960
<v Speaker 4>that was like, okay, now this is AI. But then

0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 4>he said, okay, so we can either use this composite,

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 4>which you know, nine times out of ten I wouldn't

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:13.239
<v Speaker 4>want him to use just because it's a different sort

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 4>of you know, feeling like there's nuance that is different.

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>But you know, the composite will become the example and

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 4>then it's like, you know, if you can't do it,

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 4>it's dope, Like give me a take like this or

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 4>better or the composite is what we're.

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Using now and that yeah, one hundred percent.

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Because with that, that kind of was something that changed

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 4>my mind because for me, I know, as MC's we

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 4>pride ourselves on getting it in one tape.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like yeah, this is one tape, Yeah, which ever? Take?

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Which ever? Take? His right, that's the first one, that's

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the one.

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 4>But like for him, I kind of start to see

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 4>it more and looking at making records almost as like

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 4>making a film in the sense of that you're really

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.440
<v Speaker 4>just trying to capture the best performance. You know what

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying it because you want that down. That's it,

0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Like it's like that forever, you know what I mean.

0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.480
<v Speaker 9>Was Rich just integrated in the live perform as he

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 9>was in the studio.

0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 1>He was our sound guy.

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 8>I mean even in the way that you presented just

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 8>not just the sound of it all, but even the

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 8>way that you y'all presented yourselves on stage.

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Rich built the myth of the roots because

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 2>before us, you know, your average band was maybe ninety

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 2>six dbs, which is like a normal listening spirits. Rich

0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 2>was trying to create some Pink Floyd shit where we

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 2>were one hundred all the sound, Yeah, we were like

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.560
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and forty DB's. He would like, I mean

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole idea of like echoes and all that stuff.

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Because also the thing is that we weren't hit space,

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 2>so we had to make the show fall sight right.

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:44.600
<v Speaker 8>So it was he like like, I'm rika gonna need

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 8>you to work the stage more like I'm gonna need

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 8>you to He.

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Would give he would give notes like that, and he

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 4>would give yeah, notes like that, I mean, but you

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:51.760
<v Speaker 4>would be able to tell, you know what I mean like,

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:53.480
<v Speaker 4>if we get done the performance and we get back

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 4>to the dressing room, I'm like, yeah, how was that ship?

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>That ship? You know what I'm saying.

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.760
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't going to uh you know, he wasn't very

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 4>generous in that way. So you know, even if he

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 4>said that ship was cool, it meant it was cool.

0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 8>Y'all right, because I'm like, I remember the first, the first,

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 8>the only time I got a compliment from Rich and

0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 8>it changed my life.

0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 7>Like I got a question along those lines trigger. I

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 7>caught the four tour like a month ago. It was

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:22.200
<v Speaker 7>last it was in Boston. It was the last one.

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 7>And my favorite thing is not just you as the

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 7>leader of the roots, but you was hype man. It

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 7>was one of my favorite things to watch, like l

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 7>L and all of it was. I didn't know you

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 7>were such a great hype man, and it was what

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:37.720
<v Speaker 7>I just don't know if you could speak to that

0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 7>and just but what it's like to be with some

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:40.640
<v Speaker 7>of your heroes are you know, people you really respect

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 7>and and and hype and hype in front of them.

0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:43.360
<v Speaker 1>It was it was far out.

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 4>It was you know, for me, that's that's one of

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.000
<v Speaker 4>my favorite things to do. Is to be supportive, like

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, I just enjoy sparring back

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:53.240
<v Speaker 4>and forth with those legends.

0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Like but people who you know, are the reason that

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I do what it is that I do, and many

0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of whom.

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:04.360
<v Speaker 4>I just feel unsung or you know, underappreciated. It blows

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.160
<v Speaker 4>in mind, you know what I'm saying, to realize that

1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 4>something they wrote when they were fourteen or fifteen or

1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 4>sixteen that impacted me when I was fourteen or fifteen

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.600
<v Speaker 4>or sixteen. Now these thirty or forty years ago, it's

1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:19.040
<v Speaker 4>still you know, has a life, you know what I mean. So,

1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:20.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know a lot of these cats, I think

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 4>the role that the Roots serves is we're connective tissue

1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 4>between a generation bridge, right, you know what I mean?

1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:28.600
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, we've been that bridge.

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:32.240
<v Speaker 4>And there's a lot of cats who you know, maybe

1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:34.520
<v Speaker 4>at one point of their career were at a certain

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.520
<v Speaker 4>level and then they don't perform for a long while,

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.080
<v Speaker 4>and then when they have the opportunity to perform again,

1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:40.880
<v Speaker 4>it's like, I, you know what I mean, is my

1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:41.880
<v Speaker 4>music going to be right?

1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Do they know my lyrics?

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:45.080
<v Speaker 4>All these people familiar with what it is that I do,

1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 4>and you know, the fact that they may be coming

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:51.280
<v Speaker 4>back with the roots puts them at ease because of

1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 4>the way that you know, like musically and from a

1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:57.760
<v Speaker 4>just a hypeman's standpoint, we're able to support them, you know.

1:00:57.920 --> 1:00:59.720
<v Speaker 4>So that's something that I've always you know, just a

1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.760
<v Speaker 4>pre shade it and enjoyed it. I'm not about on

1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.560
<v Speaker 4>stage trying to I don't want any attention on stage, like,

1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 4>don't even look at me, look at due just you know,

1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:12.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm about the sound, you know. So it works out

1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.280
<v Speaker 4>for me in that way. But the Fourths tour was

1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 4>a dream come true and that man, we got to

1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:18.480
<v Speaker 4>do that every day, you know.

1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.560
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let me ask probably one of the

1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:31.840
<v Speaker 2>biggest myths of black thought is your relationship with freestyling.

1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.840
<v Speaker 2>There's three particular stories I want you to talk about,

1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:37.360
<v Speaker 2>all right.

1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:40.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't need you to do a forty five minute freestyle.

1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So of course I know that shout out to

1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:50.240
<v Speaker 2>ESPO from Philly for catching uh that clip of us

1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:52.480
<v Speaker 2>in the alleyway or whatever, like doing the freestyle thing

1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:55.080
<v Speaker 2>which is which basically set your legend.

1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about do you remember the.

1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Time Scott Scott, No, no, no, no, do you remember

1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that moment when we were at the Trocadero with Hansoul

1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and we drove home and he freestyled that entire time

1:02:11.800 --> 1:02:12.480
<v Speaker 2>in the backseat.

1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I do did that have an impact on you?

1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Because the next day you said it once You're like,

1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 2>that's the level that I have to supermate, Like, can

1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you talk about like how if that had an impact

1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:28.000
<v Speaker 2>on you as far as like rhyming on the spot

1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:29.800
<v Speaker 2>because I've seen you do it in high school.

1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but kind of in a funny way like battling.

1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:38.000
<v Speaker 4>But there was yes. To answer your question. I remember

1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:41.760
<v Speaker 4>that night come home from the truck. I remember Hansoul freestyling,

1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.840
<v Speaker 4>and I remember the way it made me feel, not

1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.880
<v Speaker 4>necessarily threatened, but just you know competitive, you know what

1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:51.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, the same way that I felt when I

1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:54.440
<v Speaker 4>came up and the first time I saw Rozelle and

1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:57.200
<v Speaker 4>Supernatural and Muhammad performing.

1:02:56.840 --> 1:02:59.360
<v Speaker 1>At that boom poetic thing. Right. I came back to

1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Philly like it, what are y'all doing? You know what

1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:04.040
<v Speaker 4>Like, fucking dude, you're awake and you're not rapping, like

1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:07.200
<v Speaker 4>like niggas in New Yorkers, They're like, Yo, they fucking

1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.120
<v Speaker 4>rapping right now? Dog like you know what I mean,

1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:10.760
<v Speaker 4>you got to be able to go like off the top,

1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:12.480
<v Speaker 4>but some one you can't.

1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:17.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how I was. So yeah, I think, uh, you know,

1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:19.520
<v Speaker 1>it was more of that, you know what I mean.

1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:23.640
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't necessarily it wasn't like I didn't feel threatened,

1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.120
<v Speaker 4>but I was just super competitive, you know, and I

1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.960
<v Speaker 4>knew you know, people who went to college with me,

1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:30.800
<v Speaker 4>people went to high school with me. They'll always tell

1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:33.080
<v Speaker 4>you about, oh this one time, you know, to regrab

1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:35.080
<v Speaker 4>for three hours and we walked from here to here

1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:37.400
<v Speaker 4>or drove from here to there, and he never started rapping,

1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:41.120
<v Speaker 4>but there was something, Uh, there was a gravitas. There

1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:44.360
<v Speaker 4>was a seriousness in it that night, and what Hans

1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:46.680
<v Speaker 4>was doing that made me like, okay, like this is

1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:49.000
<v Speaker 4>a thing. There was a level of mastery to it,

1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:51.840
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I definitely, yeah,

1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:53.040
<v Speaker 4>that was the takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you give your version, like I know, richest

1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:01.240
<v Speaker 2>version of the Kindanye a bathroom situation?

1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Do you remember?

1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:07.439
<v Speaker 2>And we were backstage at Universal Amphitheater, right. I didn't

1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.560
<v Speaker 2>know who Kanye West was then, so I think like

1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.640
<v Speaker 2>he just did get by, like he was hanging with

1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:14.280
<v Speaker 2>quality or whatever.

1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:19.720
<v Speaker 1>And again because of the legend of Threeeks is the

1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:20.960
<v Speaker 1>best freestylist ever.

1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:23.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, motherfuckers would just come up and think, you

1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:26.040
<v Speaker 2>know the rappers that want to rap just like and

1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I hate that too with musicians, Like musicians want to like, hey,

1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:31.400
<v Speaker 2>let's have a jam session, or you know, start drumming

1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and talking, and I'm like, I don't do that shit

1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:35.960
<v Speaker 2>on my off hours or whatever. So Rich told me

1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:39.560
<v Speaker 2>a story once about like you were changing for show whatever,

1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and then Kanye decided this is my moment and just

1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:44.480
<v Speaker 2>starts freestyle in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell that story because I never heard you.

1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:49.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, like what like back in the day,

1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:53.440
<v Speaker 4>we would show up for our sessions. Kanye would be

1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:55.280
<v Speaker 4>in there sometimes, you know what I mean. Eighty eight

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<v Speaker 4>Keys would be in there. Sometimes they wore down with

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<v Speaker 4>Kenny Douro. They were down with you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>You know people who worked in studios who would give

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<v Speaker 4>him a heads up, you know on who had sessions,

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<v Speaker 4>and they would be in there and trying to place

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<v Speaker 4>their beats and and rap for niggas ambushes, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>you know my thing with Kanye was I would I

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<v Speaker 4>would run into him more while we were shopping. So

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<v Speaker 4>I would be in Atlanta or Chicago or LA at

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<v Speaker 4>the place where you knowever everybody goes to get clothes. Yeah, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so whatever the popping you know what I mean store

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<v Speaker 4>is at the Barneys or you know fred Sieger whatever

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<v Speaker 4>back in the day, and Kanye would always be in there,

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<v Speaker 4>and he would always see me.

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<v Speaker 1>And now Kanye would be like, Yo, what you got?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So he would be the type of person that he

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<v Speaker 4>wants to see everything you putting on the counter, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, and he want to go back

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<v Speaker 4>and see if you want to get that or if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to switch out. So I would, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>beat sometimes in a store or in like a mall

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<v Speaker 4>and Kanye is there and now I'm grabbing ship to

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<v Speaker 4>try and throw him off the center of the trail,

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<v Speaker 4>make him think I'm gonna get this stuff and that's

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<v Speaker 4>not what I'm gonna get. The night that you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>we showed up to our gig. It was a in

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<v Speaker 4>the Roots in Erica. If I'm not mistaken, and Kanye

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<v Speaker 4>was dead, I forgot. Yeah, that was the first time

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<v Speaker 4>I met a kon he was over enough with it,

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<v Speaker 4>and Kanye was in there, and he immediately goes into

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<v Speaker 4>his ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, what's that? Oh you got them y threes?

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<v Speaker 1>And oh what's that?

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<v Speaker 4>And he started like picking apart everything that I had on.

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<v Speaker 4>So now I'm trying to get dressed and my whole ship.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the reason why I was annoyed, It wasn't even

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<v Speaker 4>that he started rapping or that he was talking about music.

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<v Speaker 4>I was used to him doing that, but he was

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<v Speaker 4>trying to, you know what I mean, like sort of

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<v Speaker 4>tag picked my shit apart and be like, Oh you

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<v Speaker 4>got to this, you got to that, you got to that?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh oh yeah, oh I'm up on that, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And it was like that was what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, you just get the fuck out of here,

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm getting dressed, nigga, Like I'm trying to you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. And I think that was you

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<v Speaker 4>know that, That's what happened at Universal that night.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory about the flex freestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I knew how hard you and Malik paired in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three, like the mentality of like, yo, motherfucker's in

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<v Speaker 2>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you know we got to come with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember once like we were driving to New

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<v Speaker 2>York and we were listening to like a best of

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<v Speaker 2>Barbido and Stretch Armstrong thing and we were like, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, that's a B side. We've heard that rhyme

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<v Speaker 2>before and it was kind of a there's no Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Claus ye realization, but you to still kept that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember once you guys did a session which you

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<v Speaker 2>did so many freestyles for all these name brand DJs

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<v Speaker 2>that never wound up, like there's there's volumes of freestyles

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<v Speaker 2>that you've done that are probably still Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the MCA like we're going to promote

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like you know for all

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<v Speaker 2>the radio mixed show DP, right, Yeah, I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>So for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing that was your first time after thirty two years

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<v Speaker 2>of never being invited on Flex's show, were you in

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<v Speaker 2>kill Bill. I'm gonna show you not to ever deny

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<v Speaker 2>me again, because that wasn't regular. That wasn't just like

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<v Speaker 2>oh by a minute seven, I was like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a revenge mission.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't really on kill Bill mode, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>was for me. I don't know if you recall, that

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<v Speaker 4>was a Thursday that I did that joint. It was

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<v Speaker 4>weird taped to tonight's shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was tired.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like twenty below zero, freezing cold, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. I couldn't find parking. I had my

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<v Speaker 4>assistem at the time, like outside waiting in my car

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<v Speaker 4>like double parked. So it was just like the urgency

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<v Speaker 4>of trying to you know, get in and out out.

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<v Speaker 4>And I knew, you know, Flex and I have been

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<v Speaker 4>texting back and forth for maybe six months at that point,

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<v Speaker 4>just trying to figure out a window that made sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was that first text like when finally like

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<v Speaker 2>he acknowledges that were not me five nothing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yoh no, No, I was, you know, sorry, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, wow, you know what I mean, I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was definitely I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 4>I was surprised, And you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>I think leading up to that, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Flex's olive branch. Flex His way to show that it

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<v Speaker 4>was coming from an authentic place was he just started

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<v Speaker 4>offering to spend for us, Like yo, any booskigs y'all

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<v Speaker 4>got I'll pull up. I'll just rock for y'all, know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. I don't know if you remember this

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<v Speaker 4>is the moment that changed his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but you know what I'm saying, We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you do another oh the method maybe the Method

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<v Speaker 2>Man thing, because even j hit me about the method.

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<v Speaker 4>But by the time I did the Metha Man freestyle flexing,

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<v Speaker 4>I had already been talking for like, you know, damn

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<v Speaker 4>near a year about me coming up to flex. The

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<v Speaker 4>metha Man freestyle just took place because we were promoting

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<v Speaker 4>that HBO show and you know, there's no way we

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<v Speaker 4>could go somewhere and it's me and metha Man and

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<v Speaker 4>they not ask us to rap, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you know, when I did that flex freestyle,

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<v Speaker 4>it was like, you know, I mean, roming off the

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<v Speaker 4>top rapping period. It only matters to it's so niche,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>represent for those people who sort of gave a fuck,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and I wanted to It had to be

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<v Speaker 4>one take because I had to get out of there,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I was ready to go home, and.

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<v Speaker 2>My fear was that he was just going to interrupt

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<v Speaker 2>you and not let you finish. Yeah, yeah, that's enough

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like no, no, no, and okay he

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<v Speaker 2>let him go on, right, But you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>can you talk about did that finally feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>redempt dimptive moment for you which.

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<v Speaker 1>You finally got your flowers? Didn't It felt? Yes, that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like the moment that you

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<v Speaker 1>know that followed, like would you do that night when

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<v Speaker 1>you got home, Oh, Jill, probably you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>mean little bit and went to bed. Yeah, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Yeah. Yeah, it was I hate to say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to say I actually cried. No, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it wasn't until yeah, it started to go viral

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<v Speaker 4>and I you know, I saw folks re retweeting it

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<v Speaker 4>and you know what I mean, like reposting the joint.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when it started to feel like, oh wow, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because I never like I was still new, I guess

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<v Speaker 4>the social media, you know what I'm saying, Like, I

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<v Speaker 4>just really started rocking, you know, with the Instagrams and

1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:10.400
<v Speaker 4>twitters of the world, you know, relatively recently at that

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<v Speaker 4>at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, it was it was just dope. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's it's it's dope to be acknowledged.

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<v Speaker 4>To that point about social media, for you know, you're saying,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I'm on stage like, I don't want

1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:22.479
<v Speaker 4>you to really see me at all. So how do

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<v Speaker 4>you deal with now in the era of you know

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<v Speaker 4>of music just entertainment period where you have to have

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<v Speaker 4>that presence of some sort you know, some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>presence online.

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<v Speaker 1>Or I mean, it's it's it's just it's a delicate balance,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 8>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just gonna sound crazy. It's like I basically do

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<v Speaker 1>the bare minimum. You know what I said.

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<v Speaker 4>I do the bare minimum, and I'm able to still

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<v Speaker 4>somehow feed my family. But you know there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of what I do is also in

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<v Speaker 4>exercise in overcoming you know, the anxiety associated with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>doing shit, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I do, like if I forced myself to

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<v Speaker 1>go and.

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<v Speaker 4>Do a hot five type five of stand up, like

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<v Speaker 4>that's a you know, an exercise in me, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just becoming more comfortable to my own skin in front of.

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<v Speaker 1>An audience without having any safety net. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>same talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About that because I feel like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that you're heavy into stand up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know I got I got heavy into

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<v Speaker 4>stand up. I got heavy into you know, musical theater

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<v Speaker 4>when I was you know, when I'm working on Black

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<v Speaker 4>No More.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically right right it is it's still you know, still

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<v Speaker 4>a thing, and I'm now, you know, heavy into I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think the medium with which we tell

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<v Speaker 4>the story is ever evolving, but the story sort of

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<v Speaker 4>remains the same.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you I was gonna ask you about just

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<v Speaker 4>your memory in terms of memorizing. Yeah, Like how do

1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:59.640
<v Speaker 4>you go about just memorizing all of those Like when

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<v Speaker 4>you're doing on the Roots Picnic.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're something once, Yeah, you just do just a

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<v Speaker 1>a verse, Like you just come up and just do

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<v Speaker 1>a verse or something. How do you just I guess

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<v Speaker 1>log all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man, It's like you I think I'm

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<v Speaker 4>using a part of my brain that is, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just tapped into, you know, something that probably would

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise have laid dormant if I didn't sort of force

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<v Speaker 4>myself to you know what I mean, work with something

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<v Speaker 4>outside of my muscle memory.

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<v Speaker 8>Wait, so to that point the book, I found myself

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<v Speaker 8>reading this and being like, fuck, I know Reek smokes, but.

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<v Speaker 2>The details well not as much anymore though, right, not

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<v Speaker 2>as much a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think that's attributable to Rich Rich's

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<v Speaker 4>genius too, and that, you know, just in the storytelling

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<v Speaker 4>as a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he would challenge you to be as visual.

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<v Speaker 4>As possible and the conjure up that that imagery, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, to make you see and feel

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<v Speaker 4>and smell a thing, but to.

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<v Speaker 8>Smell some thing like you're a six year old, six

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<v Speaker 8>year old self. That's deep and to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>describe that on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I guess it is. So I have a question.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm writing a tell all book right now actually

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<v Speaker 6>about about the two of you. Do you have any

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<v Speaker 6>advice for somebody who wants to know I'm just kidding,

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<v Speaker 6>but and when's the rematch?

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<v Speaker 1>The fight? Rematch? I think the audience wants to know that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's all been, it's going to be, but we want

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<v Speaker 5>to know when the when the rematch is whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I mean, what are you allowed to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about as far as black No, more is concerned because

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<v Speaker 2>we can talk about it's so weird. Like when you

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<v Speaker 2>started black No More, Obama was president, so sort of

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<v Speaker 2>in that House of cards way, like you clearly knew

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be a satire because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never going to get that crazy, right, And then

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly once Trump was president, then it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is relevant to times now. So at one point

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<v Speaker 2>it was an extreme satire and then became reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's the thing, you know, I mean, at this

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<v Speaker 4>point it's it's not as far fetched as it was

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<v Speaker 4>or as it felt, you know, you know before the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump and Biden administrations, you know what I mean. This

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<v Speaker 4>was originally slated to you know, to open off Broadway

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<v Speaker 4>during the Trump elections, you know what I mean. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I think there's some you know, rejiggering that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean, it needs to take place. There's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, very much that you know, we need to

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<v Speaker 4>sort of be revisited. But just you know, for for

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you know, what felt so dynamically sensational,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, six years ago, eight years ago no longer

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<v Speaker 4>feels that way. It's like that has been our reality

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<v Speaker 4>and worse, you know what I mean, so much off

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<v Speaker 4>the wall shit has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for those don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Black Memoirs a book written by George Skyler yep,

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<v Speaker 2>I thinking like it was like one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>that her futurist books nineteen thirty two. Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he basically, uh, it's just it's a satire about

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<v Speaker 2>a black man who changes his skin color, falls in

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<v Speaker 2>love with a white woman and now she's pregnant, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and she will eventually find out that which.

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<v Speaker 1>This that that's that's a show that was on Bravo

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<v Speaker 1>last night, right, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 8>It's like, you know, how do we how does he

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<v Speaker 8>know because he watches Bravo.

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<v Speaker 1>We got it?

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, yea, we gotta we gotta sort of punch

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<v Speaker 4>it up a little bit, I think, just to make

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<v Speaker 4>it more you know, as far fetched said as it felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know at its own set.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, you are one of the most random TV watching people.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Like, what are you watching?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you pick?

1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Because you and Jimmy will talk about the most random

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<v Speaker 2>You'll discover shit on QB or whatever like Tubby.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, Toby, I was like, who QB? Well?

1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:04.080
<v Speaker 2>QB was a that was Quibbi. Yeah, that was that

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<v Speaker 2>lasted like ten minutes. Yeah, like what mindless ship do

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<v Speaker 2>you watch?

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<v Speaker 4>Or like, what's what shows right right right now I'm watching,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching you know, bass Lorman bass Reads.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Lorman bass.

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<v Speaker 4>Reeves is, uh, is about the US Marshall first, the

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<v Speaker 4>first black U S Marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's the character.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the real life person that the Lone Ranger character

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<v Speaker 4>was based on, you know what I mean, which is

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<v Speaker 4>based on a black person. Yeah, the Lone Ranger was

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<v Speaker 4>based on a black person. But you know they weren't

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have it. I mean they're like, yo, let's make

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<v Speaker 4>it a black a white man and put a mask on.

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<v Speaker 1>The mass.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so bass Reeves, Uh, it's this dope show

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<v Speaker 4>that I've been watching recently, Yellow Yeah, it's in the

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<v Speaker 4>Yellowstone family.

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<v Speaker 1>And a Yellowstone worth it. Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>This was what else I was gonna say anything Yellowstone

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen eighty three. That's level like I must watch a different, different, different,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. I think I'm always excited

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<v Speaker 4>when somebody could get period right, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And they got period right, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Every time.

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<v Speaker 8>So and also the inclusion of the indigenous culture and

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<v Speaker 8>just giving us more context.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's they got it. Run. So I'll go on

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<v Speaker 1>Apple TV and you see, Yo, I'm watching that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching that now, Bass Reds, I mean, Loman Bass Reeves.

1:18:27.160 --> 1:18:29.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm also watching well, yeah, the Gilded Age.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. Have you seen Killers of

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<v Speaker 1>the Flower Moon yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, I haven't watched that yet. But Fargo, the

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<v Speaker 4>new season of Fargo, Yeah yeah, yeah, four episodes in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know what I'm saying. And I've been, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I keep coming back to just because it's like I

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<v Speaker 4>can never even though it's only three episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're like an hour and a half long each.

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<v Speaker 4>The American Buffalo documentary Ken Burns, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just about the Buffalo, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>It's really about out America and you talk about indigenous

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<v Speaker 4>people and I'm just a history buffing that way. So

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<v Speaker 4>I've been rocking with dad. I found out that it

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<v Speaker 4>was out because Celia came home. She was like, they

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<v Speaker 4>made us watch this documentary today in school. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>you would be into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what is it?

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<v Speaker 4>She was like about the American Buffalo. I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>do tell it was Kim Burns And I was like, ship, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, hell yah. So I've been watching that only

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<v Speaker 4>because I have to watch a Kim Burns documentary maybe

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<v Speaker 4>like five six times to you know, take in all

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<v Speaker 4>the information.

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<v Speaker 1>You fuck with rap shit on HBO. I watched the

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<v Speaker 1>first season. Second season is better. I mean, the first

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<v Speaker 1>season is good, but the second season is it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I have, I have.

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<v Speaker 7>I haven't seen every father's impression of their teenage daughter

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<v Speaker 7>is exactly the same, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought, right, yeah, right, exactly do your kids like are

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<v Speaker 1>they aware? Are you dad? Are you? Or are they

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<v Speaker 1>like do you catch them listening to your music? Or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, aren't you worry for them?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I catch a mirror listening to my music. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>He does his little playlist and stuff, and sometimes even

1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:16.560
<v Speaker 4>his playlist of other music that he's listening to in

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<v Speaker 4>the shower and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's dope to see.

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<v Speaker 4>That he's somehow found music that I was listening to

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<v Speaker 4>when I was in my twenties two without me having

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<v Speaker 4>to say, let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Put you onto it.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's that it's Sealia, you know, does the same thing,

1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:31.960
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. She listens to my music.

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<v Speaker 4>She has a little bit, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>she's becoming a hip hop here. But Tariq, he's never

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<v Speaker 4>been into any of my me The only root song,

1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:44.160
<v Speaker 4>roots thing that Tariq has really that has resonated with him,

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<v Speaker 4>not our Disney Junior stuff as what you would think.

1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:52.200
<v Speaker 4>It's the Blackish thing, the June Team Blackiest thing that's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, uh, And that put him on to the

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<v Speaker 4>whole Schoolhouse Rock world and he started listening to the

1:20:57.760 --> 1:21:01.160
<v Speaker 4>original I'm Just a Bill and all the original Schoolhouse

1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:03.280
<v Speaker 4>Rock shit, and then the new Schoolhouse Rocks You and

1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:06.120
<v Speaker 4>then the new New Schoolhouse Rock shit, all just from

1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:10.760
<v Speaker 4>ours yeah, from our Blackish segment. So this is that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, But what he's up on

1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:15.960
<v Speaker 4>and what I'm still trying to dissect because it played

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<v Speaker 4>out the same way with Kamala's kids, who were like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, two and six or two and eight, No,

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<v Speaker 4>Tarika's eight, maybe Kamala's. Because the youngest kids are two

1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:26.920
<v Speaker 4>and six, they all know every word the mama said,

1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.720
<v Speaker 4>knock you out, and they've owned they saw l L

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<v Speaker 4>perform it a couple of times that they came to

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<v Speaker 4>the shows with us, But for some reason, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the first rap song Treek's known. All the lyrics to

1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Kamal's Little Baby, you know what I mean, cash Like

1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:42.479
<v Speaker 4>they all listen, they know all of the from don't

1:21:42.479 --> 1:21:44.280
<v Speaker 4>call it a And I'm like, that's what I need to.

1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Tap into, you know what I mean. It's like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't be my son. But we talked.

1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:52.479
<v Speaker 4>I've never heard none of my children have ever sang

1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:54.599
<v Speaker 4>one of my joints the way Treek sing.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't call it a comeback. I'm like, yo, like out

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<v Speaker 1>of a movements.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Oh yeah, there's definitely something in that that h

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<v Speaker 4>channel and that's what Yeah, And that's why I told you.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, Yo, we need to use that joint

1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:10.960
<v Speaker 4>that we didn't want to yo, because it might be

1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:12.640
<v Speaker 4>something in that and I don't know if it's the

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<v Speaker 4>music or the lyrics or the marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Well return yeah yeah, my okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we redid Mama for the NBA mid

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<v Speaker 2>season the mid season tournament, and my initial idea I

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<v Speaker 2>knew they wanted Mama said knock you out. But also

1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:32.439
<v Speaker 2>LL's kind of this place where it's like, yo, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a legacy act like that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the people that write the text are like, nah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we just just do your song from nineteen ninety please

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<v Speaker 2>and take this check.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, all right, let me find a

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<v Speaker 1>happy meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>So I actually did something dope where I reversed because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also working on the Slide movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I have access to the masters, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let me reverse the song.

1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:58.439
<v Speaker 2>And you know, like what terminator Actually a ja panic

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<v Speaker 2>was to rebel without a pause, like the sirens going backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did a backwards version that ship and it

1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>sounds dope as ship, and Even was like, uh, let's

1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:11.519
<v Speaker 2>let's not give this to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Even was like, God, it's great, I mean because

1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:21.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we see you working, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you you know, been dropping projects left right in terms

1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:27.560
<v Speaker 4>of you know, a roots record. Now that Rich is

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<v Speaker 4>no longer here in that role, who is in that

1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:33.160
<v Speaker 4>role for y'all? Yeah there is you know, I don't

1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:36.559
<v Speaker 4>know that there's anyone in that role. Yeah, I think,

1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:39.599
<v Speaker 4>and I have to be yeah, yeah, we've we've had

1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:42.680
<v Speaker 4>to extend ourselves not necessarily over extended. We've had to

1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:46.240
<v Speaker 4>extend ourselves in order to fill in that gap, you know,

1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:51.479
<v Speaker 4>because Sean, though he is he's he's an innovative, he's

1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.600
<v Speaker 4>not necessarily a creative, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a business mind. He's an innovative mind. He's not

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<v Speaker 4>a creative. And that was the beauty of the balance

1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:01.720
<v Speaker 4>between him and Rich was like, you know what I mean,

1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:02.800
<v Speaker 4>hot and cold?

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so there's that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think in terms of an album being done,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we got plenty of material. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>just gonna boil down to you know, I may or

1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:17.400
<v Speaker 4>not being excited enough in any moment to do the

1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:19.720
<v Speaker 4>mix is necessary to say all right, this is the

1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.760
<v Speaker 4>ten songs or twelve songs, however many that are gonna

1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:24.920
<v Speaker 4>be album. But we got enough joints, you know, we

1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:25.720
<v Speaker 4>have more than enough.

1:24:25.840 --> 1:24:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I just for me, once a week, I get excited

1:24:30.840 --> 1:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>about something else, and then I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Replace it and replace it and replace it.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the problem, because really wouldn't Rich be the want

1:24:36.560 --> 1:24:37.280
<v Speaker 9>to come in and be like mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like in your dreams thing, then in

1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:44.479
<v Speaker 2>your dreams thing got shelved because it's just like, look,

1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>we gotta wrap up.

1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you want more?

1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna get this shit done in time. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one thing I don't have, which is like,

1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:53.639
<v Speaker 2>all right, no more new songs.

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<v Speaker 4>There's there's value in our procrastination in that, you know,

1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.640
<v Speaker 4>once we put out any thing, then it's out right

1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:05.720
<v Speaker 4>right now. The bar is where the bar is. What

1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:08.439
<v Speaker 4>the Roots brand means to people is what it means.

1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:11.439
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I think there's something in that. I think

1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:14.479
<v Speaker 4>the whole what makes the Roots the Roots is the

1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.480
<v Speaker 4>fact that we've always you know, thought and then overthought

1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:18.839
<v Speaker 4>right in the process.

1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:22.640
<v Speaker 1>So I think now the idea is to pull it

1:25:22.680 --> 1:25:23.200
<v Speaker 1>back a little bit.

1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.000
<v Speaker 4>We don't need to overthink, but I think we still

1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:28.080
<v Speaker 4>need to be as considerate in the process as we

1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, have in the past. Because that's that's the

1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.760
<v Speaker 4>difference when people say, Yo, what's the difference in me

1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:36.560
<v Speaker 4>in the Roots? In me on somebody else's shit, is like,

1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:38.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna pull up and I'm gonna almost go

1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:40.680
<v Speaker 4>with the first thing that comes to my mind. That's

1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:42.599
<v Speaker 4>why streams of thought is called streams of thought because

1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:44.760
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's as close to a freestyle as you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, I'm just letting the it's the

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<v Speaker 4>first thing that I think of, which you know and

1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:50.800
<v Speaker 4>many times is dope, and you know it's witty and funny,

1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:52.920
<v Speaker 4>but it's not what we do in the roots. It's

1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:55.960
<v Speaker 4>not rich challenging me to you know, be something that's

1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.280
<v Speaker 4>gonna fucking you know, resonate just reading it off the page.

1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.600
<v Speaker 4>That's not what I have to do if I'm in

1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:04.400
<v Speaker 4>the studio with Ninth or Salime or Sean c. And

1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:06.640
<v Speaker 4>that's part of you know, that's what informs it and

1:26:06.760 --> 1:26:09.640
<v Speaker 4>makes it. It's a dope exercise because it's not as

1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.040
<v Speaker 4>it's not something that I won't say. I don't take

1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:14.839
<v Speaker 4>it as serious. But it's just a different process, I understand,

1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:15.000
<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean.

1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:16.479
<v Speaker 1>It's a different process, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean I think in that like, you know,

1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:24.160
<v Speaker 4>the roots album, especially based on what dictates enough material

1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:26.519
<v Speaker 4>to be an album in this day and time, we've

1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:30.000
<v Speaker 4>got multiple new roots albums done. What do you feel

1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:33.160
<v Speaker 4>like y'all or do you feel like y'all have anything

1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:34.679
<v Speaker 4>to prove on the album front?

1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Like what would be the so the one thing that

1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>has occurred to me and then you shoot Your Cousin

1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty fourteen, so we're going on the

1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:47.360
<v Speaker 2>tenth year and I probably have done twenty thousand hours

1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:51.120
<v Speaker 2>of DJing. Now, the DJing that I've done post twenty

1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:54.160
<v Speaker 2>fourteen is different than the dj and I've done pre

1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:59.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, in which, you know, jams.

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<v Speaker 1>Are foreign between And I'm the kind of guy that,

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<v Speaker 1>unless like I'm doing a gold.

1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Party or like it's a high pressure situation where it's like,

1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>all right, well Drake syah, so let me play some

1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:14.519
<v Speaker 2>trap like the shit he knows, I'm always the guy that,

1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:18.519
<v Speaker 2>like I now know how to read my audience in

1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a way that I didn't before, Whereas before I was

1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:24.719
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with letting you know, yeah I got that Japanese

1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>prints that you don't got, and you know, I'm not

1:27:27.720 --> 1:27:29.479
<v Speaker 2>looking at the floor clearing and none of that shit.

1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm so I'm so hyper aware of what works and

1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>what doesn't work as a DJ that now as a creator,

1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't divorce myself from it. So now I'm thinking

1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:48.439
<v Speaker 2>of like, is this the right bpms? Where's the melody at?

1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>What should we talk about? Like things I never thought

1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:53.040
<v Speaker 2>about before, like well this resonate with the audience.

1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>In recent years.

1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:56.200
<v Speaker 4>You know, like when a mayor gives me a beat

1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:59.600
<v Speaker 4>or like an idea for a composition, he does a

1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.679
<v Speaker 4>whole separate track now of just like a guide track

1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:05.360
<v Speaker 4>of him saying okay, like you know, okay, the first

1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:07.240
<v Speaker 4>can start here, you talk about this here, and then okay,

1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:08.720
<v Speaker 4>like here you can do something like what was like

1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:13.200
<v Speaker 4>now I'm like Nigga just right around. But yeah, he's

1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:16.920
<v Speaker 4>definitely uh you know, uh, just paying attention to a

1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:21.519
<v Speaker 4>lot more of the detail with anything that I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing. I mean, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah,

1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>because you have new information. Yes, I'll be calling you joy. Oh,

1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean okay, but as soon as I concentrate.

1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:35.120
<v Speaker 2>But also, like the movie was unexpected, Like you know,

1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>the movie was a thing that, oh, let me just

1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>pass the time in the pandemic, and now it's like,

1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>oh god, now I got two careers.

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<v Speaker 8>So both of y'all, y'all schedules are crazy between the

1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:45.600
<v Speaker 8>both of you.

1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'm trying to think of things that like

1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the Internet always wanted to know. I'm not asking any

1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>masterpiece theater questions because it's like.

1:28:52.000 --> 1:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Dude, he's done like swimming records.

1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>But what I will ask is what five m sees

1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>that are least expected for us to know?

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<v Speaker 1>You dig?

1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Because the second time we talked about rap shit, he

1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>sold me on turn this mother Out. And I'm like

1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Hammer and I joked, I joked once on what had

1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>happened was that I'm almost certain that our love of

1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Apache or rhyming over Apache had more to do with

1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Turn this Mother Out than it did men at work.

1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:30.439
<v Speaker 2>But Tarik is like, instantly, Tarik sold me on it. Yo,

1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>you know about n w A And I'm like, dude,

1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>they got Jerry Curls. I ain't listening to shit, and

1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:36.559
<v Speaker 2>he's like, but listen to this. And then he played

1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:37.960
<v Speaker 2>me turn this Mother Out, and I'm like you like

1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:42.479
<v Speaker 2>MC hammer, I didn't. I thought like, great, nice was

1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:43.840
<v Speaker 2>corny and he's like.

1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:44.559
<v Speaker 1>No, man.

1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing, Like Tarik has a way of

1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>listening to anything, Like I go on the tour of

1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>b US and listen to A Paul and MJG. Yeah.

1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'll never listened to Pastor Choy in

1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>this lifetime, and then suddenly like I'm Pastor Joy's number

1:29:59.080 --> 1:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>one fan. So it's like Tarik's put me on to

1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>so much unorthodox things that normally my snobby East Coast

1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>era ass like what what MC's are like, you're under championed,

1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:17.719
<v Speaker 2>non obvious ones, non king non.

1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Like of from back in the day or period.

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<v Speaker 4>Karen, You know, I think Special Led is an unsung

1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:30.720
<v Speaker 4>you know hero in that you know his album The

1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.759
<v Speaker 4>Youngest in Charge, you just talk about just the power

1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:38.080
<v Speaker 4>of youthful expression, and he was specially that was fourteen

1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:38.559
<v Speaker 4>years old.

1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I look at my kids at fourteen.

1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:42.760
<v Speaker 4>It's like, you know, I when it's like, if I'm

1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:44.679
<v Speaker 4>in a moment where I have to just rap a rap,

1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:48.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna pull from you know, anywhere I rapped from

1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:49.880
<v Speaker 4>anybody's catalog, shit that you.

1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't even remember you wrote.

1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:53.400
<v Speaker 4>But one of the you know rhymes that I often

1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:56.439
<v Speaker 4>do is, you know, I was proven effective by a

1:30:56.479 --> 1:30:59.400
<v Speaker 4>clinical test because some couldn't come to believe I'm the best,

1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:01.479
<v Speaker 4>so they to me and now they're in the clinic.

1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:03.800
<v Speaker 4>They almost arrested me because I did it, but I

1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:05.640
<v Speaker 4>didn't mean to do it. You had to mess with

1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>me and then you blew it. Now you gotta chew it,

1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:10.000
<v Speaker 4>swallow it all. I guess that's the way that you

1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:12.160
<v Speaker 4>bounce the ball like this is a fourteen year old

1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:15.080
<v Speaker 4>wrote that, and that's a that's timeless, Like I can

1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:18.519
<v Speaker 4>you know depend no matter what the the soundbit is,

1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:21.200
<v Speaker 4>the music that I put it over like those bars

1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.639
<v Speaker 4>will forever like rain poetic and you know what I mean,

1:31:25.320 --> 1:31:28.479
<v Speaker 4>like bring something up and folks that hear it was

1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:30.720
<v Speaker 4>my one. You wish you could that was my That

1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:33.080
<v Speaker 4>was another I mean, especial levels, just super dope. So

1:31:33.160 --> 1:31:35.360
<v Speaker 4>I think he's he's one of those ones. I think,

1:31:35.439 --> 1:31:37.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, cool Keith, you know what I mean for

1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>the whole I think cool Keith Man shit. I mean,

1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:42.760
<v Speaker 4>he was like, you know, the thelonious monk of this

1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.960
<v Speaker 4>shit in that you know, I mean, his shit didn't

1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:47.280
<v Speaker 4>even have to rhyme, you know what I'm saying. And

1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:51.000
<v Speaker 4>they were him and said like ultra magneticum seeds were

1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:53.880
<v Speaker 4>ahead of their time in so many ways. So yeah,

1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:56.040
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, cool Keith is another one, Greg Nice,

1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:58.479
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? I think just geniuses that

1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:01.479
<v Speaker 4>I was able to recognize and latch onto, and that

1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:04.480
<v Speaker 4>it's something from their body of work that I've extracted

1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:07.040
<v Speaker 4>that you know, I mean, I still these are I

1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:08.719
<v Speaker 4>kicked all it all, all of the above.

1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I kicked their bars every day, like the ship just

1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>came out.

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<v Speaker 9>Is there anybody currently?

1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely?

1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, we saw you in the roots

1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:21.439
<v Speaker 4>forced to use rocking ma comedy and yeah, yeah Mack, Yeah,

1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:22.760
<v Speaker 4>that's that's my ace, you know what I'm saying.

1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:24.439
<v Speaker 1>He was in the studio with It's just the other

1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>night Mark, you know. Yeah.

1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:28.719
<v Speaker 4>I think he's one of those ones, you know, someone

1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:34.080
<v Speaker 4>who again understands just a sensibility of you know, a

1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:37.360
<v Speaker 4>person who's been around since the nineties, but who's also

1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:42.160
<v Speaker 4>in just some ways just feels you know, still cutting edge, right,

1:32:42.320 --> 1:32:47.280
<v Speaker 4>and I think his association with the whole Griselda family

1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:51.559
<v Speaker 4>in that movement, but the way that he's distinctly you know, different,

1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:52.519
<v Speaker 4>is huge too.

1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? I saw you did. We

1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>were on the same album Your Drew.

1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:59.720
<v Speaker 4>That's that's the second person I was about the name man, Yeah,

1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:02.280
<v Speaker 4>and you Rold Drug is Actually he's my connection to

1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:02.880
<v Speaker 4>my comedy.

1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>But he's another one. You know.

1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.200
<v Speaker 4>When Your Old Drew came out, I didn't rock with

1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:10.360
<v Speaker 4>it because I felt like, yeah, I thought his voice,

1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.160
<v Speaker 4>I thought he sounded too much like nads and I'm

1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:13.360
<v Speaker 4>not you know, I'm.

1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Huge on you know, just you know, being being originally,

1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:19.880
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, nah, you know, I'm not rocking

1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:21.160
<v Speaker 4>with this shit, like you know, I think it was

1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:23.760
<v Speaker 4>Hoodie season or one of those first joints, you know.

1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:26.760
<v Speaker 4>But I met him on the road opening up for

1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Royson and Premiere when they were doing their prime tour

1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:32.160
<v Speaker 4>and we sort of hit it off. And you know

1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:34.080
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, I've been you know, I talk about

1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:37.519
<v Speaker 4>mentorship and you know, just artists that we shared demos

1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:39.000
<v Speaker 4>with one another, and I'm able to just you know,

1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:41.519
<v Speaker 4>offer sage wisdom and they're not gonna catch feelings if

1:33:41.600 --> 1:33:43.240
<v Speaker 4>I say I don't like this one and I like

1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:46.400
<v Speaker 4>that one. He's been one of those artists and over time,

1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:48.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was trying to get at Mock and

1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.080
<v Speaker 4>he was non responsive until Drew put us on the

1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:55.360
<v Speaker 4>same song and then you know, like sort of connected us,

1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:56.519
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. Then now yeah, you know

1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:59.040
<v Speaker 4>he and I, me and Mak be rocking. But yeah,

1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:00.920
<v Speaker 4>your old Drew. He's another the one man. He's just

1:34:01.000 --> 1:34:03.720
<v Speaker 4>super dope, and uh, you know, I had to I

1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:04.880
<v Speaker 4>had to give it up. You know what I'm saying,

1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:06.800
<v Speaker 4>because he proved that he was a real deal.

1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:09.080
<v Speaker 8>I need everybody to realize, who hasn't read this book

1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:11.400
<v Speaker 8>that we probably only covered about.

1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:13.559
<v Speaker 9>Two to three of his talents.

1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:16.600
<v Speaker 8>Now in this book, there is history that gives you

1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:19.800
<v Speaker 8>history on his gourmet cooking talents because yes, he's a

1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:23.679
<v Speaker 8>gourmet chef. There's history to his visual arts talents because

1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.240
<v Speaker 8>that's what he went to school for.

1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:29.439
<v Speaker 9>There's also history sing just about to stay that the

1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:30.760
<v Speaker 9>man sank in the choiet and.

1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I was shocked. I was like, but I I can

1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>sing fine, taking sad.

1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.080
<v Speaker 8>Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, But I just I just

1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:40.960
<v Speaker 8>wanted to throw that out there as we are, you know,

1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:42.960
<v Speaker 8>wrapping this up, and I just feel like it's just what.

1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Most people say, read the book, read that.

1:34:46.280 --> 1:34:48.360
<v Speaker 4>But no, man, I just want to say, man, before

1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:50.640
<v Speaker 4>we go, dude, you have really been you know what

1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:52.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. I mean, first is even say that you

1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:55.040
<v Speaker 4>felt threatened. I mean, that's just the crazy shit. Ever,

1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:57.800
<v Speaker 4>because when I got that call, I I was jumping

1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:01.240
<v Speaker 4>off the damn wall. I was like, what, like, hell yeah, so,

1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:04.000
<v Speaker 4>but nah, man, you've been one of the people that

1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I watch just and has been an example of how

1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:11.439
<v Speaker 4>to age in hip hop, like how and how.

1:35:11.360 --> 1:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>To do it gracefully and tastefully, you know what I mean.

1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:17.640
<v Speaker 4>So my question for you was who or did you

1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:22.000
<v Speaker 4>have anyone as an example to say, Okay, this is

1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:24.560
<v Speaker 4>what hip hop looks like at forty or fifty, like

1:35:24.760 --> 1:35:25.960
<v Speaker 4>this is a model.

1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Did you have that? I mean, you know, not that

1:35:29.479 --> 1:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:31.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yes, I did have that, but I don't

1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:34.280
<v Speaker 4>know that I was as aware of it or just

1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:36.920
<v Speaker 4>tapped into the example as it was being set.

1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I look at people like you know,

1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>the ll who J's of the world, and even.

1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Though it's been a long time, you know what I mean,

1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.200
<v Speaker 4>since he's done a tour, right, you know what I mean,

1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.800
<v Speaker 4>just the example of being one of the earliest like

1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:51.920
<v Speaker 4>multi hyphenates, right, you know what I mean, just the

1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:54.840
<v Speaker 4>whole polymath of it all, Like with the example of

1:35:55.000 --> 1:35:58.599
<v Speaker 4>him in iced Tea, you know, like set as far

1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:01.720
<v Speaker 4>as like reinvent. I think it was dope and I think,

1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:04.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, just you know, the example of being a

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<v Speaker 4>class act, you know what I mean, is what resonated

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<v Speaker 4>with me, like the most with artists like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the reason LLL is around and still matters and you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>People care, you know about all these other endeavors.

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<v Speaker 4>What it is that he's doing is because he's personable

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<v Speaker 4>and he's you know, he's nice to folks, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know he you know, is conscious about leaving a place

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<v Speaker 4>or a personal thing better than he sort of found it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I learned that the first time I inducted, like

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<v Speaker 4>we inducted maybe I've inducted ll into like three you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, National Archives at this at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first time I.

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<v Speaker 4>Did it, it was me and Eminem and Jazzy Jeff

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like the hip Hop Honors thing and

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<v Speaker 4>he called me the next day. I'm like, he found

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<v Speaker 4>my number, you know what I mean? Boom, you know

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<v Speaker 4>they call me yo to reach my on the phone

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<v Speaker 4>for you Yo, cool Jay. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>just wanted to thank you for you know what I'm saying, Yo,

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<v Speaker 4>the wave represented be last night's huge, huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yo, But it's those those.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Elverson call you ll Ella is going to

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<v Speaker 4>send you a handwritten thank you new you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, you know, sent L L A D M.

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<v Speaker 4>Jokingly like Yo, I see everybody you know, doing these

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<v Speaker 4>boombox I'm boxing they you know, uh uh rock the

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<v Speaker 4>bells jackets with my joint at like you know ship

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<v Speaker 4>seventy two hours later, this is from Mellow Cool J.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, I got my jacket. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you know, I think, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Is is an example of how to you know, to age,

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<v Speaker 4>to grow, to evolve gracefully in this game. I think

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<v Speaker 4>another dope example has been set by Danna, like Queen Latifa,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, just you know, and these

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<v Speaker 4>are people.

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<v Speaker 1>Who like what they do.

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<v Speaker 4>The challenges that they're able to continue to rise to

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<v Speaker 4>is what gives me reassurance.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yo, I probably could do all the ship.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, out of all the people that I know, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I've never known anyone in my circle or even remotely

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<v Speaker 4>you know, distantly connected to my circle that has never

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<v Speaker 4>given up on a thing and didn't you know, make it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like everybody that I know who shit didn't work,

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<v Speaker 4>who you know what I mean, fell off the rails,

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<v Speaker 4>they gave they gave up, quit, they quit niggas who

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<v Speaker 4>I know I know a bunch of people who didn't

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<v Speaker 4>quit and they've all gone on to greatness, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so I think there's something in that. And did I

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<v Speaker 4>try to, uh, you know, just be more cognizant of

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<v Speaker 4>those examples again, like when they're being set, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the ship is a blur.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah man, look, I will say, without being as mushy

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, and this is this this and this is

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<v Speaker 2>real maturity right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Toreq, you know, no one ever gets that reference

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<v Speaker 1>and no, no, no, no, here's the deal. In my

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<v Speaker 1>first book when they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were like, all right, do a dedication, moidment right right,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was like do a dedication, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, well, Torique, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the publicshers like, well, lips this after it,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, he's going to get he's going to understand it. No, Like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Toriq was always And the way that manifesting works is

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<v Speaker 2>whenever we would like to take the trains back from

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<v Speaker 2>like busking or whatever, like we would have a ritual

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<v Speaker 2>of like getting famous aime as cookies in orange Juice

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<v Speaker 2>and either watching do the Right Thing or Cape Fear,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we're walking home like two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Very related films as one does on the other. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did streaming, but we have options now, we have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And the thing was, I do some sillies

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<v Speaker 2>with like well Toeriq. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We just did like two months in Europe straight that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying shit as if it were never going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen to in lifeline, like damn Treiq. We just

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<v Speaker 2>playing in front of like twelve thousand people at the

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia Spectrum, man, and we're only home for like three

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<v Speaker 2>hours before we got to get up at four morning

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<v Speaker 2>and catch this flight to like Colorado. We be laughing

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<v Speaker 2>like a man like this whatever, and not knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>we're literally manifest. So I would always start some ship

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<v Speaker 2>with well to reek Uh, and I'll just simply say

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, And that's a very loaded thank you without

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<v Speaker 2>being super mussy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm a mussy person.

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<v Speaker 5>Good just fight again, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Mama here, thank you. Thank you for having me the

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<v Speaker 2>great to reach out to or in quest love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys can stop asking me a week's episode. See

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<v Speaker 2>you the next go around, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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