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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: As we gear up for the twenty twenty five Roots Picnic,

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Speaker 2: why not listen back to QLs with Tarik Trotter also

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Speaker 2: known as black Boy, And this may have been the

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Speaker 2: most roquestic West Love Supreme guests that we've ever had.

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Speaker 2: And I always planned to do it with the Roots album.

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Speaker 2: Instead we did it for Tarik's book, The Upcycle Self.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you get that. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Suprema Suprema roll call, the Suprema Suprema roll call, Suprema Supremo,

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Speaker 3: roll call, Suprema su.

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Speaker 2: Supremo roll He is the best. Yeah, nothing to prove. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we get the honor. Yeah, talking about Suprema.

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Speaker 1: My name is Fante Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Back on the block with my man yap It Codo.

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Speaker 5: My name is Sugar. Yeah, I shall proceed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah to eat your shrooms and smoke your weeds.

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Speaker 1: Supremo Supremorem.

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Speaker 7: I'm hi Bill, I'm not better than you, Yeah, but

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Speaker 7: thanks to Fantee, I'm a better rapper than you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: And my favorite MC. Yeah who else? Yeah, motherfuck whoa.

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Speaker 4: X It's regis Yeah. I give all y'all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but y'all gonna have to chill. Yeah, I know, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna have to rap.

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Speaker 3: Bring Roll, come bre so sound Soup, pre roll, come up,

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Speaker 3: Preemo something something up? Preemo roll care un South upreing roll?

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Speaker 1: Whoa wait? You know like us dot X will stop

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Speaker 1: a bar like like he will stop the bar fourteen

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Speaker 1: bars before he finishes that I did. I did because.

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Speaker 5: Like too many times and there's a really long pause.

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Speaker 9: I'm celebrating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can get used to this. This is another

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Speaker 2: in person yeah classic dust dustin.

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Speaker 8: One of the most anticipated episodes of all Questlove Supreme times.

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Speaker 2: Exactly the amount of times that has been in the

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Speaker 2: group chat when is this going to happen?

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Speaker 1: When is this going to happen? I don't know for me.

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Speaker 2: If you're old enough to know the reference, this will

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Speaker 2: feel like the anytime that Eddie Murphy comes on the

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Speaker 2: Arsenal Show, where it's like, how do you add professional

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Speaker 2: with someone that you've known for four decades of all

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Speaker 2: your life? Like you know, this is another episode of

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Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme. Ladies and Gentlemen, Quest Love and Wait,

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Speaker 2: where the.

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Speaker 1: Hell are we? Like go back in time?

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Speaker 2: It's an old time streshold recording studio. Yes, I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm in nineteen thirty six and also nineteen ninety six. Yo,

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Speaker 4: Today is the I guess the thirteenth we anniversary of

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Speaker 4: an undone undone drop today December sixth.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome. Twelfth twelve year twelve, right, I think

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Speaker 1: it's twelve. Yeah, I'm getting numb to roots album anniversaries.

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Speaker 1: I know, I got so many of them.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 9: Man, what a beautiful privilege. That's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: All right. So yeah, sugar Steve, how was life good?

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Speaker 1: That's night? Bill? You made it? What's up? I'm happy

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Speaker 5: You gave me like a half a second house, like

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Speaker 5: I was like house Like great?

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Speaker 1: Great? I paid Bill. What's going on? Great?

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Speaker 7: Everything's good. I'm happy to be here. I thought I

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Speaker 7: me here. Okay, that's awesome. Uh fron Tikeolo. This is

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Speaker 7: the first time we're talking to you after seeing the documentary.

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Speaker 1: Man, yeah, that was a response.

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Speaker 4: It's been amazing, man, kind of overwhelming, but uh no, man,

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Speaker 4: it's yeah. It's being received exactly how we want to

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Speaker 4: be received. We made it with a lot of love,

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Speaker 4: and we get a lot of love back, So check

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Speaker 1: Go check it out, all right, And what's the the

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Speaker 1: next move after the documentary? I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just we literally, so we finished this.

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Speaker 4: We finished the doc November seventh, We had our first

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Speaker 4: screen in November knife and then we released it November

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Speaker 1: So I ain't trying to do shit a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, yeah, we don't know about that life.

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Speaker 4: Not doing shit, Yeah, not doing shit. Hey, hey, I

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I will say that, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: Monster have us seen a documentary of a group really

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Speaker 4: We're finna bite jack. That whole concept really really break

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Speaker 8: That's what you do with the youth though, y'all, y'all

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Speaker 8: you've put themselves out there and then we you know,

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Speaker 8: how's it going. I'm good.

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Speaker 9: I am so happy that we finally got this.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, we have literally one of the best

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Speaker 2: actually literally true. What actually makes this even more special

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Speaker 2: a propose that we're here kind of to celebrate a

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Speaker 2: new chapter in your life, which is kind of you

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Speaker 2: opening up to the world because you've been very mysterious

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Speaker 1: And yes, it is awkward at fuck giving introduction. No,

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Speaker 1: but I absolutely make no buns.

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Speaker 5: Buns, you don't make buns.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't about no, I absolutely make no bones

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Speaker 2: about our guest today being not only just one of

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Speaker 2: Like I've seen him on a regular basis for the

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Speaker 1: Years of my life.

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Speaker 2: Like I haven't done that with my mother, my father

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Speaker 2: this is this is this is a commitment. The greatest

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Speaker 2: of all time. Tariq Black thought Trotter is on costloft supreme.

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Speaker 2: You so.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, God.

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Speaker 2: See that our sineo ednything started already before every for

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Speaker 1: God is great. Yeah. Initially my plan was like to

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Speaker 2: Ask whatever, but even I have questions. I'm mid read

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Speaker 9: Okay, let's just start with this.

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Speaker 8: The fact that this is one of the most anticipated projects,

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Speaker 8: So I want to know why now and why the

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the the why now of it

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Speaker 1: So for me, it was it was now or never.

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Speaker 4: And you know all the different ways that I could

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Speaker 9: So and real quick, what's this process?

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Speaker 8: Because I told Fante this morning, we've been talking about

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Speaker 8: his documentary and the upcycle self. They're very special because

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Speaker 9: You have to say these things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well this isn't my first attempt at a memoir,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I wasn't able to get through the process

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Speaker 4: Know it's like, yeah, we used to kick it all

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Speaker 4: you gotta do. So I mean, I completely understand, you know,

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00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: I know, like there are lots of other examples that

439
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 4: have been set, you know what I mean, other cats,

440
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 4: other you know, artists that have been collaborative in a

441
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 4: comparable way, but none of them have stood the test

442
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 4: of time that we have.

443
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: So it must be something to that shit. You know

444
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It is weird. The once, uh once,

445
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: during the bionic period of Bionics.

446
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is two thousand and three, I think two

447
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: thousand and two, two thousand and three, I caught in

448
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 2: a twenty minute candid moment. I forget where we were,

449
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: either like a photo shoot or something like that, and

450
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: I was far away, but I was keeping my eye

451
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: on him, and.

452
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, they actually like each other. Yeah,

453
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: like yo friends. Because it's also a thing where you

454
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: got to understand that to.

455
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: Endure, and we can't stress enough the amount of stress

456
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: and turmoil. Those first like four years were where daily

457
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: every day like my one dream of why this has

458
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: to work is I can never I will never ever

459
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: go back to fifty two.

460
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: Twelve O Sage Avenue.

461
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember Jungle Fever, when that

462
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: moment where Annabella Sior had to like in a moment

463
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: of defeat, have to come back home to her dad.

464
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: And my worst nightmare was this one because even before

465
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: things fall apart, like every day I had to deal

466
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 2: with here, my dad sort of say like you gotta

467
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: get a real job, and or you're doing a video,

468
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: but was a cable bill and what about the electric bill?

469
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: And so my mind like it's like I can never.

470
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that we have to be

471
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: in tight the way that you describe being on that tour,

472
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: in like tight circles, Like I've never spent that much

473
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: amount of time with any human that long. So it's

474
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: like you gotta maintain a professional relationship and your brothers

475
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: and you know, and again I'm just I'm going you

476
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna live out the examples of what was getting

477
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: with you.

478
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 4: You know, like there were some people who were in

479
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: the Roots who did that to the extreme. Like it's

480
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: a delicate balance, you know what I mean. You have

481
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 4: cats who I mean on more than one occasion, more

482
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: than one member of the Roots who we we travel,

483
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: they act like they ain't even they don't know it.

484
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like like dude, like we in't fuck it.

485
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: You gotta be Calicutta right now, like we always Yeah, really,

486
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 4: I like, you know what I'm saying, like we didn't

487
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 4: come together, but you know, and I think it was

488
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: you know, in that I think people did that for

489
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: some of the same reasons.

490
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: But it's just extreme, you know what I mean.

491
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: It's weird you mentioned the hook thing because there's one

492
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: moment I remember, which was at Dyla's funeral, and I

493
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: believe either John or my Duke's sorter said like, shot me,

494
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: not shot me. Look because everyone was sitting in the

495
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: front row and of course, you know, me carries a

496
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: flag for Dilla like I should be, but I wanted

497
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: to sit in the back and it seemed kind of

498
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: odd because it was a large church, but it wasn't

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: that many people. It was like maybe forty fifty people

500
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: in a place that could hold like three hundred, Like

501
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: Dyla's buried in the same cemetery that Michael Jackson and

502
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Taylor are, So it's like a large, sprawling estate,

503
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: but there's only like fifty people there. And I purposely

504
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: sat like in the last row, like with seventeen roads

505
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 2: like ahead of me, of emptiness. And at the time

506
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: my girlfriend was like, well, why are we sitting back here?

507
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: And I was just like, it's so foolish now. But

508
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: my whole thing was like, oh man, I can't let

509
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: Tarik see me in a vulnerable, weak moment, which is

510
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: again I was whatever it is you can never hold

511
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: pre twenty twenty meters.

512
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 8: Now look at it, like, now that we've read the

513
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 8: book and we have had these conversations in the last

514
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 8: seven years, is about you know, I had moments reading

515
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 8: that book, even when Tarik was describing your home situation

516
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 8: like with the past inside.

517
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: Now you know what I remember, no one ever broke

518
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: into my crib.

519
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: What I remember about Dyla's funeral was, yeah, definitely you know,

520
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: like just how you know, gargantuan, the sort of the

521
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 4: space was. We were only in the first few rows

522
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: and stuff. But yeah, I remember being like, yo, where

523
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: where the fuck is I'm here at you know what

524
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then I just remember like when it

525
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: was over. I think at one point like I connected

526
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: Dave New York. When it was over, I hugged. I

527
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: fucking cried, like that was the first time I was

528
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 4: able to, Like I hadn't cried the whole time of hearing,

529
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, throughout the whole shit.

530
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: I saw a mire after the funeral and I just

531
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: started balling.

532
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: Started right and it was such So it felt weird

533
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: to me because like I maintained such a professional distance thing,

534
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: but this is like, oh shit, now I gotta switch

535
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: the light on and go back to nineteen ninety one

536
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: when we were born, you know what I mean?

537
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: After that?

538
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 8: Do you go back after the hug and the embrace?

539
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 8: Does it slowly open up things?

540
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: Or do you go back to So here's the funny thing,

541
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: all right, So I'm in, you know, and I'm sure

542
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: my my psychological journey and all that stuff. So I

543
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: did a session once and I kind of slipped, and

544
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: she said, well, you know, what was Tarik's opinion on that?

545
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it's cool, you know whatever.

546
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: He said, no, no, what do you say for Batim?

547
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: I said, well, he ain't say it, but it'll be

548
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: cool that. She's like, wait, how how long do you

549
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: talk to Treik? And she's the kind of person. So

550
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: she's the kind of person that if she sees a scab,

551
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 2: she'll just start scratching it scratching, and it's like, yo,

552
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: I got other issues.

553
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: I got you know, mother issues.

554
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And she kept wanting to go there and

555
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to like matrix bullet dodge, and she clearly

556
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: saw my discomfort, and she was just asking basic questions.

557
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Like well, how long do you talk?

558
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Does dark know that like you're in therapy and da

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: da da da, and that you're turning new leaf? And

560
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, man, you feel you know the

561
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: thing like where you like you don't say like, oh

562
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: I love you man, and you know, and I had

563
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: a hard time just come to grips with myself, like

564
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 2: looking in the mirror and all that stuff. And so well,

565
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: she the way that she sort of gets me the

566
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: part that I never reveal. It's her method's a little

567
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: bit different. Let's just say there's a certain amount of

568
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: cash money in escrow in which I have to in

569
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: this December, so I'm gonna have to start write a

570
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: contract of what my goals are for twenty twenty four.

571
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: And if I don't stick to that, then she will

572
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: present my worst nightmare, which is, Okay, I'm gonna take

573
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: this money and donate it all to the GOP.

574
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, okay, okay, I'll stop eating sugar.

575
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I'll stop eating sugar.

576
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: And it's almost like she has to she has to

577
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: mind trick and force me to do cause I'll just

578
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: say like, yeah, I'll talk to him next week, next week,

579
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: next month, next week.

580
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: So here's the thing.

581
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's almost akin to that of like

582
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: you know when you get a girl's number in high

583
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: school and you're in the mirror, Like I'm in the

584
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: mirror my dressing room, like all right, so you know,

585
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm in therapy and like I'm rehearsing my lines like

586
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: a week ahead of time and shit, and she's like

587
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: calling me, all right, so what did Duik say about

588
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: your thing?

589
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: And I was like all right, all right, all right,

590
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. She's like,

591
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this money. And the relationship is a

592
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: hostage negotiations.

593
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm hearing right like I'm the person that has to

594
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 2: be threatened to do the right thing, like I'll expose

595
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: you if you don't, you know, take care of yourself.

596
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: So I was like all right, I said, so uh

597
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: and there's like doing the pandemic.

598
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, reek, yeah, so you know,

599
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm kind of doing self work and stuff and you know,

600
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: microdoc and.

601
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 5: Here we go, right, so I got my life together.

602
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm micro.

603
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: So I did like so I did like this whole

604
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: ship and I mentioned one of the people and I

605
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, so you know, I'm reading this book

606
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: by this guy named doctor Joe Despenza and he talks

607
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: about how like communications.

608
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, doctor Joe, Yeah, I'm done with that.

609
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: And in my head, I'm like, holy shit, wait what

610
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: does he know about that? I said, you know about

611
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: that joke?

612
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know years ago when you know,

613
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: when I first started therapy and the like holy shit,

614
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: you're in therapy, like ya I was, And when I

615
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: got back. I was like, yo, I didn't know. I

616
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: thought I was the only one like doing the self

617
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: improvement thing, and treeks like.

618
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Beat me by like years really years?

619
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 9: Really?

620
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, little bit he was like four years ago.

621
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: I started in twenty twenty.

622
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: He was like, what was fifteen?

623
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I am man. I've become close friends

624
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: with a fellow named Kyle Vaines. And Kyle he worked

625
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: with me and Mark Jenkins and Ray Angry. He was

626
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: like a supplement dude. Well you know that worked at

627
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: this you know, this gym that we were training that

628
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 4: whenever Mark would come to work with D'Angelo, we would all,

629
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: you know, I mean be working down in the financial

630
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: district at this spot. So at one point Kyle disclosed

631
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: to Ray and I about how his girlfriend at the time,

632
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: his fiance, was a huge Roots fan. You know, she

633
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: was terminally ill and really the only thing that was

634
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: getting her through was our song Tomorrow, the one with

635
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: you know, me and Ron Rahiem and yeah, so you

636
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: know she wound up, you know, transitioning. We all kept

637
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: in touch and as luck would have it, we were

638
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: out in La I think like her funeral, her memorial

639
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: was like a few days before we would have been

640
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 4: out there for Grammys or whatever. So me and Ray

641
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: went out there early, performed at her memorial and became,

642
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 4: you know, closer friends with Kyle. So Kyle and I,

643
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: that's like he's my hiking buddy, you know what I'm saying.

644
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: We meet up at different places around the country and

645
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, just go on walks, and you know, he

646
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: was always heavy into meditation, and when he started rocking

647
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: with Joe Dispenser, he started sending me his meditations early on,

648
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: and I couldn't get with it, you know what I'm saying,

649
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: because the dudes he talks with, you know what I'm saying.

650
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: But he just kept bombarding with the ship until you know,

651
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: like I got one meditation that was it was you know,

652
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: short enough for me to get into. And it was

653
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: also it wasn't so long that you know, it started

654
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: to because I tried to do it with my family

655
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: and everything, and they was like, yo, I can't do this,

656
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: Like why is dude talking that way? But once you

657
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: get over how he's saying this shit, you start to

658
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: see results and you start to feel, you know what

659
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying different. So yeah, I've been rocking with it

660
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: for a minute. But that's how I got turned onto it,

661
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And uh, I think Kyle

662
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: was the first person that gave me that book Becoming Supernatural?

663
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Is that is meditation? Is that still a practice today

664
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: that you still do?

665
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 8: It is?

666
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: But you know what really you know tripped me out

667
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: was I forgot.

668
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize when I discovered uh Joe Dispenser's

669
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: meditations that he was the same dude from that documentary.

670
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: What the bleep do we know that did that? He

671
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: did the water experiment?

672
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that doc that that Japanese

673
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: dude does, who wrote you know, the hidden messages in water?

674
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: Where you know, if I take a glass of water,

675
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: if I take three glasses of water, say I take

676
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: two glasses of water from the same source, and I

677
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: you know, you know, for a certain amount of time,

678
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 4: a week or two weeks, just curse and talk down

679
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: to this glass of water, and you know, I praised

680
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: this container water and then we freeze them and then

681
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: look at it under the microscope. You'll see that the

682
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 4: water that I focused all the negative energy on is

683
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: going to you know what I mean, produce just all

684
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: these ugly sort of like you're gonna be able to

685
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: visibly see the ugliness that I projected.

686
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I projected toxicity onto you.

687
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, this water and the water that

688
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: you you know, praise and that you hit, you know,

689
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: and focus your positive energy on, like the images of

690
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: like you know, beautiful you know, one of one, like snowflakes,

691
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean when you look at it

692
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: at the microscope.

693
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: Because we're water, right, human being. So this dude who's meditations,

694
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: he and I do.

695
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: I was already a fan of his from the water shit,

696
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: you know, I mean really years probably ten twelve years ago,

697
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: and then I didn't realize, oh shit, this is that

698
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: same dude.

699
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: Then, you know what I mean.

700
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: I started listening to really his podcast interviews and stuff

701
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: because he was he was he was like paralyzed from

702
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: the neck down from an accident and you know, just

703
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: through my control, he was able to you know, focus

704
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: on different parts of his body and bring it all back,

705
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So he's he's the real

706
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: deal in that. You know, he's still he talks with

707
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: weird though.

708
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: So yes, he talks weird.

709
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: But that was the thing, like I didn't realize that

710
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Treek was actually more advancing this ship than I was. Like,

711
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: I think I'm like bringing some like shit where man,

712
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: motherfucker's going to start clowning me and you all like

713
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: he was waiting on you to get here, right exactly,

714
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: That's what happened. So yeah, I'm yah, man doing white

715
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: people's shit.

716
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Right exactly.

717
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because just doing doing the work and doing you know,

718
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: as with most of us discovered for a lot of us,

719
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: doing the work is it's it's a vulnerable thing to

720
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: put yourself through and oftentimes we're looking at ourselves through

721
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: the eyes of what others will think about me and

722
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And it really wasn't until mid twenty

723
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: twenty in which a lot of us were like, okay,

724
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: mental health and you know, not just church hand, no choice.

725
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 9: But and I gotta just say, at least for your

726
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 9: story read like you.

727
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 8: You would hope, just based on the surface of what

728
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 8: we knew before you presented this book to us, that

729
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 8: you were in therapy, because it always just felt like

730
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 8: your life it was heavy.

731
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've definitely you know, I've done different

732
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: sorts of therapy, and you know, I think this book

733
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: just the process has been. You know, it was like

734
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: it was a therapeutic, cathartic sort of thing for me

735
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: to work through. I knew I didn't want to write

736
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: a tell all. You know what I'm saying, Like there

737
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: is I'm still super private, and there was much that

738
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I just still hold close

739
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 4: to the chest a lot of the shit. It's embarrassing,

740
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: it's fucking it's you know what I mean, it's it's.

741
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 9: What was the hardest thing for you to in that realm?

742
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 9: What was one of the hardest things it was for

743
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 9: you to express.

744
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: In that book?

745
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: The hardest thing I talk about in the book is,

746
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: you know, firing the pistol into a building that I

747
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: knew my mother was inside of. You know what I'm saying,

748
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 4: that was you know, very ready it was hard, super hard.

749
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: I mean, in that moment, you know, it felt it

750
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 4: made perfect sense.

751
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 8: It was so brave of you, and I appreciated you

752
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 8: for introducing us to your mom. Yeah, she was like,

753
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 8: I mean I've never even met a high ranking woman.

754
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I was going to ask you another part

755
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: in the book you mentioned, you know, just relationships that

756
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: your behavior, you know, you knew you kind of like

757
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: kind of ruined in some ways.

758
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: How did you go about fixing those relationships? And what

759
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: did that look like?

760
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: You know, some some of those relationships I haven't been able.

761
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: You know, they've been irreparable, you know what I mean.

762
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's a hard pill to swallow, but you know,

763
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: you gotta swallow it, right one of the relation you know,

764
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: I really, I mean, we would all hope that you

765
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: be able to make it all good with like your

766
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 4: nuclear family.

767
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: At some point. Right.

768
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: So I was, you know, I did have hopes that

769
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: I don't know, even though I refer to him as

770
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: my half brother in this book, you know, I mean,

771
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: it's I only have one brother. So I was, you know,

772
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: it was my hopes that he was going to read

773
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: the book and I don't know, like that would be

774
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: a springboard for some self revelation, some discovery within hisself

775
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: that would lead to I don't know, some sort of

776
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: you know, peace. But yeah, just as luck would have it,

777
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 4: like the crazy shit was, I found out that they

778
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: found his body, Like what I'm saying, my brother was, Yeah,

779
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: he I don't think there was any foul play, but

780
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: he passed away. And I found out when I was

781
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: in Philly to do a book event, like the first

782
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: book event with Mark Leamon.

783
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: So this is recent. This is this is recent. Yeah,

784
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: but you know they yeah yoa.

785
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 4: So So during this whole for the past two weeks,

786
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 4: while I've been on this run, like promoting this book,

787
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: I've been having to you know, shoot back and forth

788
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: to Philly and figure out the funeral arrangement. I mean,

789
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: you know he did he never wanted the funeral or

790
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 4: anything like that, but you know, just to get his remains,

791
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: you know, cremated and that whole process. It's been a lot.

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 4: And I didn't take any time off from you know,

793
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: tonight show or any of that either, because I just

794
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: been you know, just trying to choose my battle.

795
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: So I just made it happen.

796
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 9: But communicated.

797
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: The last time he and I communicated was, man, maybe

798
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: it was it's been about two years or so, you

799
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean. He reached out, I know, like

800
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: within the past like two months, he reached out, but

801
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: he wasn't able to get in contact with me.

802
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh man.

803
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: So one question I had, how do you I mean

804
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: a mirror talkt about it as well. But like when

805
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 4: you are the one in your family that makes it right.

806
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: How do you go about setting up boundaries with your

807
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: family in terms of, Okay, this is what I can do,

808
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: this is what I'm not going to do.

809
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: How did y'all figure that out?

810
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: I think over time, you know, those boundaries just sort

811
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 4: of reveal themselves, right in situations where it's extended family.

812
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 4: But with your parents, with your I mean I would

813
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 4: have imagine with your parents, you know what I'm saying,

814
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: but like with your siblings, with your uh, you know,

815
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: with anyone in your family who was close enough to

816
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: feel that level of entitlement, it's crazy, like it could,

817
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: you know, like it could. It's for for for many

818
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: of us, it's a deal breaker, you know what I'm saying.

819
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: I have my brother on the salary for a long time,

820
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: you know where he was, you know, he never had

821
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: to do anything and you just get a check every week,

822
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, And it was like, I mean, but I

823
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 4: tried all different sorts of configurations of you know, trying

824
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: to set him up for self care and to be

825
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: able to, you know, best take care of my grandmother

826
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: too at the time before she passed away, and uh,

827
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: you know, to Novail, you know what I'm saying, have your.

828
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 8: How have your your kids, because you talked about briefly

829
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 8: your older kids. Of course you're younger too, but how

830
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 8: have they received the book or and are they aware

831
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 8: of everything that you have put in that My.

832
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: Daughter Celia, uh, she's she read a couple of drafts

833
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 4: and she's read the book.

834
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: So she how she some weird Yeah Saliah's seventh team. Yeah,

835
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: showing that my family will never read he can't do.

836
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: She's read a couple of drafts and she's read the book,

837
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: and you know, she loves it. She you know, she

838
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: was brought to tears on a couple of different instances.

839
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: But my other kids, I know, a mayor hasn't read it.

840
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 9: I wanted to say that too, that was a mayor has.

841
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: Not read it, and you know, I don't know what

842
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: somethingor a mayor this year mayor is a This.

843
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 8: Is the way you just dropped that, Like everybody knows

844
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 8: that Black Thought has a son named Mirror talking about it.

845
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 4: But no, Yeah, he's about to be twenty four and

846
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: he was just always so you know, idyllic.

847
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: You know that.

848
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: I feel like now I'm just it's so shocking, like

849
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: he'd be forgetting. Yeah, he's forgot my birthday this year

850
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: days late, which is it's not huge, but it's like, wow,

851
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: like this, who is who is this?

852
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He like, oh, my bad, pops,

853
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: I've just been mushrooms.

854
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: Right, But uh, I'm sure he hasn't read the book

855
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: yet because he's just you know, he's uh, he'll have

856
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: to probably up here for the holidays and in my

857
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: presence and then he'll.

858
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, crack it.

859
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 8: You've had conversations with like a mirror and stuff about

860
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 8: this evolution in these stories of your family and like.

861
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 9: How you up cycle?

862
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I try.

863
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 4: I've always tried to, you know, just be be transparent

864
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: with my kids about that from which we sort of

865
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 4: you know, came. But yeah, it's hard to get them interested,

866
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I drive around like, you know,

867
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 4: this is why I went to school. I used to

868
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: live like in this tiny structure, you know what I mean?

869
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: This is how far. Let me show you how far

870
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I walked to first grade, you know what I mean?

871
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: And I say, okay, we started here and then I'm

872
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: driving drive and driving. They're like, we ain't get there yet,

873
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: like nah, and we drive. Yeah, I'm not making this up. Yes,

874
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: I was walking and maybe there was a path shovel

875
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: through the snow, but maybe there wasn't, you know what

876
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 4: I mean. And they just you know, they lose interest.

877
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: So I try not to impress it upon them. But

878
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: I think it's because you know, they're just so they

879
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 4: come up in a bubble. So there's that disc connect,

880
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And it's it's part of

881
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: what we do. This is this is part of the

882
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: you know, proverbial having overcome, you know what I mean.

883
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: So the way that privilege, the way that entitlement plays out,

884
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: it plays out in different ways, and it depends on

885
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: you know, I think it boils down to you know,

886
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: I mean, we all spare the rods now, but you know,

887
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: I think it boils down to how much time has passed,

888
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 4: maybe how many generations have passed, you know, since the

889
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: rod has been has been spared, you know what I'm saying.

890
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, it's wild. I try not to

891
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: force it on him.

892
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: But just a couple of weeks ago, when we were

893
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 4: leaving a book event in Philly, I went to Philly

894
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: to do something. Uh oh, no, what the one I

895
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: was talking about with Mark and it was in my

896
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: old neighborhood. So we were on our way home and

897
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: just as we were on our way home, my son, Tarik,

898
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: who's eight, was like, he said, jail, Then when next

899
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: time we come to Philly, could we see you know

900
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: one of the places used to live, like maybe the

901
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: house that you burned down. And we were like two

902
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: blocks away from there. So I got to now because

903
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: he had expressed interest, I took him to the block.

904
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: I showed him, you know, where I went to preschool,

905
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 4: showed him the house that I, you know, set on fire,

906
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: and where I used to go to the corner store

907
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: and that whole thing.

908
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: And you know, not that he you know, cared, but

909
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: I showed him with Chubby Chucker used to live.

910
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: And uh yeah, but you know now it's you know,

911
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: he has a you know, there was because he expressed interest.

912
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: I think that memory but it'll sit with him in

913
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: a different way. But yeah, my other kids, they don't

914
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 4: really they don't be caring.

915
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of want to car jack this interview.

916
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: I know we're talking about the book, but also a

917
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: big part of Tariq's existence is that in roots world,

918
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: everyone knows a mirror, but no one knows, Tarik. Kind

919
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: of the ways where we're opposite is, uh, last night,

920
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: I went to bed at four twenty am. I'm certain

921
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: you were probably up at three am. What is your

922
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: morning routine?

923
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I usually go to bed around nine or nine thirty.

924
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 1: Who does that? Well when you're not in third grade?

925
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: But I got a son who's in second grade, and

926
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: he'd be ware out, so you know, so it's all

927
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: of your kids first and foremost. I have to be

928
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: awake for as many consistent hours as possible just to

929
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: police his sugar and take If Eriq wakes up at

930
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 4: six am and we don't wake up till eight, there's

931
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: been two hours where he could just roll through the crib,

932
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: grabbing snacks, stashing shit, eating you know, candy for breakfast,

933
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 4: and then I wake up at eight, and then that's

934
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: a real shit, that's super real. Yeah yeah, yeah, So

935
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: you know, So there's that. There's also if there's anything

936
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: you talked about me wanting to watch Thegither, if there's

937
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: anything that I that I like to watch or that

938
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: I want to read or work on or listen to,

939
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: it has to happen before the house is up. So

940
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: it works out that I'm in bed right after when

941
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: Tarita goes to sleep at nine nine thirty, I go

942
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: to bed. But then I wake up at like four

943
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: thirty five, and then I'm good and everybody else is asleep,

944
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 4: and I have an hour and a half to two hours,

945
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: you know, to do whatever. Right, what time do they

946
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: wake up that they wake up at seven? They wake

947
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: up at seven, And it's wild because that gives me anxiety.

948
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: Celia has a seven to twenty train to make it

949
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 4: to school in New York City, and she gets up

950
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 4: at seven o'clock and she still she has to walk

951
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 4: the dog and be at the train, and I'm like, yo,

952
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 4: how are you doing this? But she makes it happen.

953
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 4: She makes a happen happen. She makes it happen. Michelle

954
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: gets up at seven and you know, to get to

955
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: school every day at the absolute latest that he can arrive.

956
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, I know you're big on food. Are you

957
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: the food person in the house? I am, Yeah. I cook.

958
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: I do all the grocery shopping, and I cook almost well,

959
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: eighty ninety percent of the grocery shopping, and I cook

960
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: eighty ninety percent of the meals. But yeah, also in

961
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: the morning, I do that. Joe de spends the twenty

962
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 4: five minute morning meditation. I knocked that out, work out

963
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: with you know physical Sometimes I.

964
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: Work out, you know what I mean. Like when I'm

965
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: in a workout period, I work out. But if that's

966
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the vibe, then then then I worked out nothing.

967
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 4: When I was fresh off the LL tour, you know

968
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: what I mean, and I found out that our mayor's

969
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: trainer happened to live ten minutes from my crib, and

970
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: you know, we had gotten close on the road. They

971
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, cool, let's work out, you know what

972
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: I mean. I did it for a solid month after

973
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: we got off the road, and then you know, we

974
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: trickled off. You know it's Thanksgiving, but yeah, I'll be

975
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: back you know January, Yeah, January, no doubt. You know

976
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: when in terms of your writing, like writing songs, writing rhymes,

977
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: how often do you write and what does writers block

978
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: look like? Well, I get home from work at night,

979
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 4: I eat dinner, and then I go into my office

980
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: and I write. I either try to read full Leased

981
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 4: an hour or write full Leased an hour before I

982
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 4: come back to you know, because my office is over

983
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: the garage, so it's like it's almost like I come

984
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: in the crib, I have dinner, and then they say, oh,

985
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: you're leaving us, you know, ended out. It's like I

986
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: go across the drive way and then I work you

987
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: know some more, and I do the same thing in

988
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: the morning.

989
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: So your office is outside the house. Yeah.

990
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 8: On a writing note, I just want to I want

991
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 8: to ask about this, this one hundred three thousand quote

992
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 8: that he recently said. I was just talking about this

993
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 8: with Ponte too, where he said that at this age

994
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 8: he's not doing hip hop because what does he have

995
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 8: to talk about, like going is to get a colonoscopy.

996
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 9: What do you feel about that?

997
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 8: Because when I heard that in my friend we were like, yeah,

998
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 8: we actually would like to hear about things.

999
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's it. I think there are

1000
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't really get writers block like that.

1001
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: I'm always able to come up with something just because

1002
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: of the amount of you know, constant like information like

1003
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: the intake. You know what I mean, It's content being

1004
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: projected at me. You know, at every turn, you know

1005
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I drive in, I'm listening to PRX,

1006
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: which is all twenty minute chunks of storytelling, which is

1007
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: dope because it just it gets me into just being

1008
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: a more efficient storyteller. I listen to NPR. If I

1009
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: want to hear something a long form, I listen to

1010
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 4: you know, Urban View for you know what I mean,

1011
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: you know, black people politics, and that's it. Like if

1012
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: vol get o'bar like that, right, I mean the black ego,

1013
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But that's the type ship.

1014
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: You know, that's where the bars come from. Whether I

1015
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 4: agree with it or not, you know what I mean.

1016
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: It's always a springboard, you know, like into a thing.

1017
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: Are you writing like to beats or you're just writing.

1018
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: Just sometimes I'm writing not to beats, but it's more

1019
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: exciting for me to write to beats. I got a

1020
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: batch of joints from mad Lib for example, like you know,

1021
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 4: maybe two three weeks ago he hit me. He was like, Yo, Monday,

1022
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start bombarding with joints. Boom, Monday rolled around.

1023
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: He sent me like a hundred beats, you know what

1024
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then I got the beats and it

1025
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: was like I narrowed it down to like eighteen and

1026
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 4: I started, you know, vibing to those joints. But yeah,

1027
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: you know it's exciting now for me, like to come

1028
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: home and like dig through that sort of that that

1029
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: that collection.

1030
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: I went to La. We were in this We had a.

1031
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: Couple of sessions in La over the weekend. I came back.

1032
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 4: So that's sort of what I've been like chipping away at.

1033
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 9: But yeah, say we had is that Like.

1034
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: No, no, I went.

1035
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: I went to La to do a book event at

1036
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: USC But I'm gonna always you know, the studio is

1037
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: my church, Like that's why I feel most at home.

1038
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: So if there's any possibility for me to go and

1039
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: sit in the studio someplace and hear music and chill

1040
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: and smoke and be social, whether I'm actually actively working

1041
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: on a thing or not, then that's what I'm going

1042
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: to opt for, you know what I mean. So yeah,

1043
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 4: I went out there, I did my book thing, and

1044
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 4: then I went into the studio. I was in studio

1045
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 4: with madod Rich Richard Nichols. We talk about undone today.

1046
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: Was is the Anniversity of Undone. That was the second

1047
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: time that I got called to be on the record,

1048
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 4: and we did one time, and that was the first

1049
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: time with that one, and also how I got over

1050
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: That was the first time I really got to see

1051
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: how integral Rich was to the recording process because I

1052
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 4: had never been like in the studio with y'all. So

1053
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: I wanted to just hear from you like what he

1054
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 4: was kind of to you as you know, as a

1055
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: mentor manager? Like what role did he play kind of?

1056
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: And you know for me, yeah, Rich was a mentor.

1057
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: I've always been big on mentorship, you know. Yeah, I

1058
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: don't know where I would be, you know without it.

1059
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: He lived by example, you know what I'm saying, in

1060
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: many ways, and was you know, he was the roots,

1061
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 4: I mean, above and beyond an executive producer.

1062
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: I always talk about he was the.

1063
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: Sort of the brains of this operation, you know when

1064
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 4: he really, you know, laid down the groundwork for us

1065
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: to be able to you know, I don't think I,

1066
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: mayor and I would be as self sufficient as we are,

1067
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, had he not you know,

1068
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: been focused on that, you know, ten twenty years before

1069
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: it mattered to us, you know. So you know what

1070
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 4: he was was he was that, he was the he

1071
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 4: was on both of us. She was you know what

1072
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: I mean, and influencer. Yeah yeah, and you know, just

1073
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: working with him, like having him in on the process. Uh,

1074
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: you know, I knew the ball I was gonna always

1075
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: be at my best, you know what I'm saying. Always, always,

1076
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: He was gonna always push us, even when you know

1077
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: you might it might be something that you you really

1078
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 4: feel like you you killed it and you you have

1079
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: taken it as far as you could take it. Yeah, No,

1080
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna you know what I mean. He was the

1081
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: voice of reason and he would bring you back down

1082
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: to reality in that way. Talk about uh that you

1083
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: working with us in the roots. I was I felt

1084
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: threatened by you when you worked with this, you know

1085
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 4: what I mean, just because I was like, how was this?

1086
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: You know?

1087
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 4: Rich sent you back to the drawing board, but not

1088
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: as much as he was sending us, you know what

1089
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: I mean. And I know it wasn't and I know

1090
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 4: I know, I know it wasn't because like we were

1091
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, his family. It was because

1092
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: he was just more content with what you were doing.

1093
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: So I was like, what the fuck is I to

1094
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 4: take doing that?

1095
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He only had to rewrite

1096
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: his ship like ten times.

1097
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 8: You know, so this is the first time most of

1098
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 8: us are hearing that somebody could make either money y'all

1099
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 8: read write.

1100
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: Was like, well we cameme when I when I did

1101
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 4: the verse for one time, because the thing was it

1102
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 4: was one time. It was it was now or never

1103
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: first it was now or never, and I came to

1104
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 4: do that one and I just wrote a verse because

1105
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: he would.

1106
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: I would.

1107
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, so what's the song about? Rich and

1108
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: rich would send me like a gip chat.

1109
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: For real, I'd be like, okay, nigg i'ma what none

1110
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: of this ship mean? All right?

1111
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 4: Fuck it, I'm gonna And so I did my verse

1112
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 4: and I just did it, and what none of y'all.

1113
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: Y'all wasn't dead. It was just me and spawned in

1114
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: the studio.

1115
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: So I think even Richard left and so I did

1116
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: my joint and I'm like, all right, I think I

1117
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess this works.

1118
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: And so I went to the crib, went to the

1119
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 4: hotel and the next morning he called me, and I

1120
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 4: didn't hear nothing because normally rich you know, he would

1121
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: text or I would get something to say I ain't

1122
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 4: here ship, and I'm like okay.

1123
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: So he called me.

1124
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: He was like yeah, man, uh yeah, just I mean yeah,

1125
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: just I'm gonna need you to go at it again.

1126
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, cool, and so I went again,

1127
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: and I remember the note he gave me was he

1128
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: was like, I wanted to make sense. It can't just

1129
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 4: be dope as a rap. It has to make sense

1130
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: on the page, like if you're just.

1131
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: Reading it it's poetry, you know, or it's literature. It

1132
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: hasn't made sense in that way.

1133
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: And I was like, shit, okay, got it. And so

1134
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 4: then I did the second draft. And then that was

1135
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 4: when he called me back for the day with Blue.

1136
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: And when he called me back for that, I was like,

1137
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 4: hell yeah, cause that was one, Like I loved it.

1138
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: It's like one of my favorite even without me on,

1139
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 4: that's just one of my favorite songs. I gotalog and

1140
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: so he did that one. But through all of those times, man,

1141
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: he was really because I understood, like I'm walking into

1142
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: a studio, nigga.

1143
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: It's you truck porn. He was from poem was.

1144
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: Getting his ship and ship I would I would show up,

1145
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: like you know, and I was living in LA at

1146
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 4: the time, of course, big up the dice. I would

1147
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 4: show up and they would, you know, because it was

1148
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: so competitive, they would all you know, clamor to get

1149
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: their ideas on the beat before I heard it. So

1150
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: that I was, you know, just more married to you know,

1151
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: that's how why I first experience the the you know,

1152
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: the composition, right, I would hear they were like, yo,

1153
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: you got to hear this beat.

1154
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: And the first time they playing it for me, I

1155
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: heard poorn verst what I'm saying. So it was competitive

1156
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: in that way. But by the way, Greg porn, uh,

1157
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: you know Rag porn.

1158
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, Fonte for Rich to even you

1159
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 4: know what I mean, be concerned enough to send you

1160
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 4: back to the drawing board, man, I appreciate it means

1161
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 4: it means that you were brilliant because he would, you know,

1162
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 4: just as quickly like nah, I mean, he couldn't give

1163
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: us what we needed and we would just you know,

1164
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 4: me move on because it was so many other people

1165
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 4: sort of waiting for that slot. But he was concerned

1166
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 4: with elevating you know, hip hop lyricism to literature and

1167
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 4: elevating you know, hip hop culture to fine art. And

1168
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: he was, you know, he was so disgusted, always disgusted

1169
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: with the state of black lyricism, like R and B lyrics,

1170
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, the ship that you know,

1171
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: he fucked right, Rich fuck up the whole family cookout,

1172
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: just dissecting, you know what I mean.

1173
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. I remember we did one time for undone,

1174
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: and I remember the note he gave me.

1175
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 4: He was like, you know, you have to be a character.

1176
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: He said, I don't want you to just rap this,

1177
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 4: like you can't just be rapping, you know what I mean.

1178
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: And he played me when I first when I first

1179
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: got there, it was before you got in the studio,

1180
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: he played me sleep and he played me sleep.

1181
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this shit hard and he was like, man,

1182
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: re did that like thirty times like I had him doing.

1183
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn.

1184
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 4: So I went in to do I did mine, and

1185
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: I mean it was in that particular case. The lyrics

1186
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: I got right because he was pretty much by that time,

1187
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: I kind of knew the science. So I'm like, okay,

1188
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: I see what he's going for now. But the performance, yeah,

1189
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: he dripped me on that shit. He's like, nah, I

1190
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: want you to do this word say it like that.

1191
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, a you know now, you know I hate

1192
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 4: doing the lyrics. And you know what rich Rich would

1193
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: do with me sometimes he would, you know, just get

1194
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: me to do it that many times and then he

1195
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: do a composite that's when you do a composite of

1196
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, the best syllables from you know, thirty different

1197
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 4: takes and then you know, get this composite and it'll

1198
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: be That was the chat gpt of it all, because

1199
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 4: that was like, okay, now this is AI. But then

1200
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: he said, okay, so we can either use this composite,

1201
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: which you know, nine times out of ten I wouldn't

1202
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: want him to use just because it's a different sort

1203
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: of you know, feeling like there's nuance that is different.

1204
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: But you know, the composite will become the example and

1205
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: then it's like, you know, if you can't do it,

1206
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: it's dope, Like give me a take like this or

1207
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: better or the composite is what we're.

1208
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: Using now and that yeah, one hundred percent.

1209
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 4: Because with that, that kind of was something that changed

1210
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 4: my mind because for me, I know, as MC's we

1211
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: pride ourselves on getting it in one tape.

1212
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: Yes, like yeah, this is one tape, Yeah, which ever? Take?

1213
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: Which ever? Take? His right, that's the first one, that's

1214
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: the one.

1215
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: But like for him, I kind of start to see

1216
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: it more and looking at making records almost as like

1217
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: making a film in the sense of that you're really

1218
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: just trying to capture the best performance. You know what

1219
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: I'm saying it because you want that down. That's it,

1220
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: Like it's like that forever, you know what I mean.

1221
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 9: Was Rich just integrated in the live perform as he

1222
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 9: was in the studio.

1223
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: He was our sound guy.

1224
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 8: I mean even in the way that you presented just

1225
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 8: not just the sound of it all, but even the

1226
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 8: way that you y'all presented yourselves on stage.

1227
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Rich built the myth of the roots because

1228
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: before us, you know, your average band was maybe ninety

1229
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: six dbs, which is like a normal listening spirits. Rich

1230
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: was trying to create some Pink Floyd shit where we

1231
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: were one hundred all the sound, Yeah, we were like

1232
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty DB's. He would like, I mean

1233
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: the whole idea of like echoes and all that stuff.

1234
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: Because also the thing is that we weren't hit space,

1235
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: so we had to make the show fall sight right.

1236
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 8: So it was he like like, I'm rika gonna need

1237
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 8: you to work the stage more like I'm gonna need

1238
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 8: you to He.

1239
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: Would give he would give notes like that, and he

1240
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: would give yeah, notes like that, I mean, but you

1241
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 4: would be able to tell, you know what I mean like,

1242
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 4: if we get done the performance and we get back

1243
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: to the dressing room, I'm like, yeah, how was that ship?

1244
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: That ship? You know what I'm saying.

1245
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: He wasn't going to uh you know, he wasn't very

1246
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: generous in that way. So you know, even if he

1247
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: said that ship was cool, it meant it was cool.

1248
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 8: Y'all right, because I'm like, I remember the first, the first,

1249
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 8: the only time I got a compliment from Rich and

1250
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 8: it changed my life.

1251
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 7: Like I got a question along those lines trigger. I

1252
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 7: caught the four tour like a month ago. It was

1253
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 7: last it was in Boston. It was the last one.

1254
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 7: And my favorite thing is not just you as the

1255
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 7: leader of the roots, but you was hype man. It

1256
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 7: was one of my favorite things to watch, like l

1257
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 7: L and all of it was. I didn't know you

1258
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 7: were such a great hype man, and it was what

1259
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 7: I just don't know if you could speak to that

1260
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 7: and just but what it's like to be with some

1261
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 7: of your heroes are you know, people you really respect

1262
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 7: and and and hype and hype in front of them.

1263
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: It was it was far out.

1264
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 4: It was you know, for me, that's that's one of

1265
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 4: my favorite things to do. Is to be supportive, like

1266
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I just enjoy sparring back

1267
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: and forth with those legends.

1268
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: Like but people who you know, are the reason that

1269
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: I do what it is that I do, and many

1270
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: of whom.

1271
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 4: I just feel unsung or you know, underappreciated. It blows

1272
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: in mind, you know what I'm saying, to realize that

1273
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: something they wrote when they were fourteen or fifteen or

1274
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 4: sixteen that impacted me when I was fourteen or fifteen

1275
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 4: or sixteen. Now these thirty or forty years ago, it's

1276
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: still you know, has a life, you know what I mean. So,

1277
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: and you know a lot of these cats, I think

1278
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: the role that the Roots serves is we're connective tissue

1279
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 4: between a generation bridge, right, you know what I mean?

1280
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we've been that bridge.

1281
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of cats who you know, maybe

1282
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: at one point of their career were at a certain

1283
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: level and then they don't perform for a long while,

1284
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 4: and then when they have the opportunity to perform again,

1285
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: it's like, I, you know what I mean, is my

1286
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 4: music going to be right?

1287
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: Do they know my lyrics?

1288
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: All these people familiar with what it is that I do,

1289
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 4: and you know, the fact that they may be coming

1290
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 4: back with the roots puts them at ease because of

1291
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: the way that you know, like musically and from a

1292
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: just a hypeman's standpoint, we're able to support them, you know.

1293
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: So that's something that I've always you know, just a

1294
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 4: pre shade it and enjoyed it. I'm not about on

1295
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: stage trying to I don't want any attention on stage, like,

1296
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 4: don't even look at me, look at due just you know,

1297
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 4: I'm about the sound, you know. So it works out

1298
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: for me in that way. But the Fourths tour was

1299
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 4: a dream come true and that man, we got to

1300
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: do that every day, you know.

1301
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: All right, So let me ask probably one of the

1302
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: biggest myths of black thought is your relationship with freestyling.

1303
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: There's three particular stories I want you to talk about,

1304
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: all right.

1305
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 5: I don't need you to do a forty five minute freestyle.

1306
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So of course I know that shout out to

1307
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: ESPO from Philly for catching uh that clip of us

1308
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: in the alleyway or whatever, like doing the freestyle thing

1309
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: which is which basically set your legend.

1310
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Can you talk about do you remember the.

1311
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: Time Scott Scott, No, no, no, no, do you remember

1312
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: that moment when we were at the Trocadero with Hansoul

1313
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: and we drove home and he freestyled that entire time

1314
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: in the backseat.

1315
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I do did that have an impact on you?

1316
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: Because the next day you said it once You're like,

1317
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: that's the level that I have to supermate, Like, can

1318
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: you talk about like how if that had an impact

1319
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: on you as far as like rhyming on the spot

1320
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: because I've seen you do it in high school.

1321
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but kind of in a funny way like battling.

1322
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: But there was yes. To answer your question. I remember

1323
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 4: that night come home from the truck. I remember Hansoul freestyling,

1324
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 4: and I remember the way it made me feel, not

1325
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: necessarily threatened, but just you know competitive, you know what

1326
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, the same way that I felt when I

1327
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 4: came up and the first time I saw Rozelle and

1328
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 4: Supernatural and Muhammad performing.

1329
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: At that boom poetic thing. Right. I came back to

1330
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: Philly like it, what are y'all doing? You know what

1331
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean?

1332
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: Like, fucking dude, you're awake and you're not rapping, like

1333
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: like niggas in New Yorkers, They're like, Yo, they fucking

1334
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 4: rapping right now? Dog like you know what I mean,

1335
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 4: you got to be able to go like off the top,

1336
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 4: but some one you can't.

1337
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: That's how I was. So yeah, I think, uh, you know,

1338
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: it was more of that, you know what I mean.

1339
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily it wasn't like I didn't feel threatened,

1340
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: but I was just super competitive, you know, and I

1341
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: knew you know, people who went to college with me,

1342
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 4: people went to high school with me. They'll always tell

1343
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 4: you about, oh this one time, you know, to regrab

1344
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 4: for three hours and we walked from here to here

1345
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: or drove from here to there, and he never started rapping,

1346
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 4: but there was something, Uh, there was a gravitas. There

1347
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 4: was a seriousness in it that night, and what Hans

1348
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 4: was doing that made me like, okay, like this is

1349
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: a thing. There was a level of mastery to it,

1350
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I definitely, yeah,

1351
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 4: that was the takeaway.

1352
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: So can you give your version, like I know, richest

1353
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: version of the Kindanye a bathroom situation?

1354
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you remember?

1355
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 2: And we were backstage at Universal Amphitheater, right. I didn't

1356
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: know who Kanye West was then, so I think like

1357
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: he just did get by, like he was hanging with

1358
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: quality or whatever.

1359
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: And again because of the legend of Threeeks is the

1360
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: best freestylist ever.

1361
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: You know, motherfuckers would just come up and think, you

1362
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: know the rappers that want to rap just like and

1363
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: I hate that too with musicians, Like musicians want to like, hey,

1364
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: let's have a jam session, or you know, start drumming

1365
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: and talking, and I'm like, I don't do that shit

1366
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: on my off hours or whatever. So Rich told me

1367
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: a story once about like you were changing for show whatever,

1368
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: and then Kanye decided this is my moment and just

1369
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: starts freestyle in front of you.

1370
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: Can you tell that story because I never heard you.

1371
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like what like back in the day,

1372
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: we would show up for our sessions. Kanye would be

1373
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 4: in there sometimes, you know what I mean. Eighty eight

1374
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 4: Keys would be in there. Sometimes they wore down with

1375
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 4: Kenny Douro. They were down with you know what I mean.

1376
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 4: You know people who worked in studios who would give

1377
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 4: him a heads up, you know on who had sessions,

1378
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 4: and they would be in there and trying to place

1379
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: their beats and and rap for niggas ambushes, right, And

1380
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 4: you know my thing with Kanye was I would I

1381
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 4: would run into him more while we were shopping. So

1382
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 4: I would be in Atlanta or Chicago or LA at

1383
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 4: the place where you knowever everybody goes to get clothes. Yeah, right, yeah,

1384
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 4: so whatever the popping you know what I mean store

1385
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: is at the Barneys or you know fred Sieger whatever

1386
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 4: back in the day, and Kanye would always be in there,

1387
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: and he would always see me.

1388
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: And now Kanye would be like, Yo, what you got?

1389
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1390
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: So he would be the type of person that he

1391
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 4: wants to see everything you putting on the counter, you

1392
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 4: know what I mean, and he want to go back

1393
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 4: and see if you want to get that or if

1394
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 4: you want to switch out. So I would, you know,

1395
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 4: beat sometimes in a store or in like a mall

1396
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: and Kanye is there and now I'm grabbing ship to

1397
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 4: try and throw him off the center of the trail,

1398
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 4: make him think I'm gonna get this stuff and that's

1399
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 4: not what I'm gonna get. The night that you're talking about,

1400
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 4: we showed up to our gig. It was a in

1401
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 4: the Roots in Erica. If I'm not mistaken, and Kanye

1402
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 4: was dead, I forgot. Yeah, that was the first time

1403
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 4: I met a kon he was over enough with it,

1404
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: and Kanye was in there, and he immediately goes into

1405
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 4: his ship.

1406
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: Oh shit, what's that? Oh you got them y threes?

1407
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: And oh what's that?

1408
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 4: And he started like picking apart everything that I had on.

1409
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 4: So now I'm trying to get dressed and my whole ship.

1410
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 4: Like the reason why I was annoyed, It wasn't even

1411
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 4: that he started rapping or that he was talking about music.

1412
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 4: I was used to him doing that, but he was

1413
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 4: trying to, you know what I mean, like sort of

1414
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 4: tag picked my shit apart and be like, Oh you

1415
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 4: got to this, you got to that, you got to that?

1416
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, oh I'm up on that, you know

1417
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 4: what I mean. And it was like that was what

1418
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, you just get the fuck out of here,

1419
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 4: like I'm getting dressed, nigga, Like I'm trying to you

1420
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I think that was you

1421
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 4: know that, That's what happened at Universal that night.

1422
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: I have a theory about the flex freestyle.

1423
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah I knew how hard you and Malik paired in

1424
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: ninety three, like the mentality of like, yo, motherfucker's in

1425
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: New York.

1426
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: Are you know we got to come with it.

1427
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: And I remember once like we were driving to New

1428
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: York and we were listening to like a best of

1429
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: Barbido and Stretch Armstrong thing and we were like, wait

1430
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: a minute, that's a B side. We've heard that rhyme

1431
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: before and it was kind of a there's no Santa

1432
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: Claus ye realization, but you to still kept that. And

1433
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: I remember once you guys did a session which you

1434
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: did so many freestyles for all these name brand DJs

1435
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: that never wound up, like there's there's volumes of freestyles

1436
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: that you've done that are probably still Yeah, it was

1437
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: like one of the MCA like we're going to promote

1438
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like you know for all

1439
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: the radio mixed show DP, right, Yeah, I remember.

1440
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: So for you.

1441
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: Knowing that was your first time after thirty two years

1442
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: of never being invited on Flex's show, were you in

1443
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: kill Bill. I'm gonna show you not to ever deny

1444
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: me again, because that wasn't regular. That wasn't just like

1445
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: oh by a minute seven, I was like, oh, this

1446
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: is a revenge mission.

1447
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: No, No, I wasn't.

1448
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 4: I wasn't really on kill Bill mode, you know, I

1449
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 4: was for me. I don't know if you recall, that

1450
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 4: was a Thursday that I did that joint. It was

1451
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 4: weird taped to tonight's shows.

1452
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: So I was tired.

1453
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 4: It was like twenty below zero, freezing cold, you know

1454
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I couldn't find parking. I had my

1455
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 4: assistem at the time, like outside waiting in my car

1456
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 4: like double parked. So it was just like the urgency

1457
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 4: of trying to you know, get in and out out.

1458
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 4: And I knew, you know, Flex and I have been

1459
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 4: texting back and forth for maybe six months at that point,

1460
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out a window that made sense.

1461
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: And what was that first text like when finally like

1462
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: he acknowledges that were not me five nothing?

1463
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yoh no, No, I was, you know, sorry, I

1464
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: was like, wow, you know what I mean, I think, yeah,

1465
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 4: it was definitely I was surprised.

1466
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,879
Speaker 1: I was surprised.

1467
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 4: I was surprised, And you know, I don't know if

1468
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 4: I think leading up to that, you know what I mean,

1469
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 4: Flex's olive branch. Flex His way to show that it

1470
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: was coming from an authentic place was he just started

1471
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 4: offering to spend for us, Like yo, any booskigs y'all

1472
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 4: got I'll pull up. I'll just rock for y'all, know

1473
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 4: what I mean. I don't know if you remember this

1474
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 4: is the moment that changed his mind.

1475
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know what I'm saying, We

1476
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: didn't you do another oh the method maybe the Method

1477
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: Man thing, because even j hit me about the method.

1478
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 4: But by the time I did the Metha Man freestyle flexing,

1479
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: I had already been talking for like, you know, damn

1480
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 4: near a year about me coming up to flex. The

1481
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 4: metha Man freestyle just took place because we were promoting

1482
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 4: that HBO show and you know, there's no way we

1483
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 4: could go somewhere and it's me and metha Man and

1484
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 4: they not ask us to rap, you know what I'm saying.

1485
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, when I did that flex freestyle,

1486
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, I mean, roming off the

1487
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 4: top rapping period. It only matters to it's so niche,

1488
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I just wanted to

1489
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 4: represent for those people who sort of gave a fuck,

1490
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 4: you know, and I wanted to It had to be

1491
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: one take because I had to get out of there,

1492
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1493
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: I was ready to go home, and.

1494
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: My fear was that he was just going to interrupt

1495
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: you and not let you finish. Yeah, yeah, that's enough

1496
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: And I was like no, no, no, and okay he

1497
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: let him go on, right, But you know, for me,

1498
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: can you talk about did that finally feel like a

1499
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 2: redempt dimptive moment for you which.

1500
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: You finally got your flowers? Didn't It felt? Yes, that moment,

1501
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like the moment that you

1502
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: know that followed, like would you do that night when

1503
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: you got home, Oh, Jill, probably you know what I

1504
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: mean little bit and went to bed. Yeah, I went

1505
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, it was I hate to say, I mean,

1506
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: I hate to say I actually cried. No, it wasn't.

1507
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't until yeah, it started to go viral

1508
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 4: and I you know, I saw folks re retweeting it

1509
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, like reposting the joint.

1510
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: That's when it started to feel like, oh wow, you know,

1511
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 4: because I never like I was still new, I guess

1512
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 4: the social media, you know what I'm saying, Like, I

1513
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 4: just really started rocking, you know, with the Instagrams and

1514
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 4: twitters of the world, you know, relatively recently at that

1515
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 4: at that point.

1516
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was it was just dope. You know

1517
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's it's dope to be acknowledged.

1518
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 4: To that point about social media, for you know, you're saying,

1519
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm on stage like, I don't want

1520
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 4: you to really see me at all. So how do

1521
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 4: you deal with now in the era of you know

1522
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 4: of music just entertainment period where you have to have

1523
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 4: that presence of some sort you know, some sort of

1524
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 4: presence online.

1525
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: Or I mean, it's it's it's just it's a delicate balance,

1526
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1527
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 8: I do.

1528
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: It's just gonna sound crazy. It's like I basically do

1529
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: the bare minimum. You know what I said.

1530
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: I do the bare minimum, and I'm able to still

1531
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 4: somehow feed my family. But you know there's a bunch

1532
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 4: of a lot of what I do is also in

1533
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 4: exercise in overcoming you know, the anxiety associated with you know,

1534
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 4: doing shit, you know what I mean.

1535
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: So when I do, like if I forced myself to

1536
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: go and.

1537
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 4: Do a hot five type five of stand up, like

1538
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 4: that's a you know, an exercise in me, you know,

1539
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 4: just becoming more comfortable to my own skin in front of.

1540
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: An audience without having any safety net. You know, the

1541
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: same talk.

1542
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: About that because I feel like a lot of people

1543
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: don't know that you're heavy into stand up.

1544
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know I got I got heavy into

1545
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 4: stand up. I got heavy into you know, musical theater

1546
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 4: when I was you know, when I'm working on Black

1547
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 4: No More.

1548
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing.

1549
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 4: Basically right right it is it's still you know, still

1550
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 4: a thing, and I'm now, you know, heavy into I mean,

1551
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the medium with which we tell

1552
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: the story is ever evolving, but the story sort of

1553
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 4: remains the same.

1554
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1555
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 4: How do you I was gonna ask you about just

1556
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 4: your memory in terms of memorizing. Yeah, Like how do

1557
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 4: you go about just memorizing all of those Like when

1558
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 4: you're doing on the Roots Picnic.

1559
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: And you're something once, Yeah, you just do just a

1560
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: a verse, Like you just come up and just do

1561
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: a verse or something. How do you just I guess

1562
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 1: log all that stuff.

1563
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, It's like you I think I'm

1564
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 4: using a part of my brain that is, I don't know.

1565
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 4: I'll just tapped into, you know, something that probably would

1566
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 4: otherwise have laid dormant if I didn't sort of force

1567
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 4: myself to you know what I mean, work with something

1568
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 4: outside of my muscle memory.

1569
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 8: Wait, so to that point the book, I found myself

1570
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 8: reading this and being like, fuck, I know Reek smokes, but.

1571
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 2: The details well not as much anymore though, right, not

1572
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 2: as much a little bit.

1573
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 4: But you know, I think that's attributable to Rich Rich's

1574
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 4: genius too, and that, you know, just in the storytelling

1575
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 4: as a writer.

1576
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, he would challenge you to be as visual.

1577
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 4: As possible and the conjure up that that imagery, you

1578
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, to make you see and feel

1579
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 4: and smell a thing, but to.

1580
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 8: Smell some thing like you're a six year old, six

1581
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 8: year old self. That's deep and to be able to

1582
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 8: describe that on paper.

1583
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess it is. So I have a question.

1584
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 6: So I'm writing a tell all book right now actually

1585
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 6: about about the two of you. Do you have any

1586
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 6: advice for somebody who wants to know I'm just kidding,

1587
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 6: but and when's the rematch?

1588
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: The fight? Rematch? I think the audience wants to know that.

1589
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: It's all been, it's going to be, but we want

1590
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 5: to know when the when the rematch is whatever?

1591
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean, what are you allowed to talk

1592
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: about as far as black No, more is concerned because

1593
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 2: we can talk about it's so weird. Like when you

1594
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: started black No More, Obama was president, so sort of

1595
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: in that House of cards way, like you clearly knew

1596
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: it was going to be a satire because you know,

1597
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: it's never going to get that crazy, right, And then

1598
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: suddenly once Trump was president, then it was like, oh,

1599
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: this is relevant to times now. So at one point

1600
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: it was an extreme satire and then became reality.

1601
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing, you know, I mean, at this

1602
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: point it's it's not as far fetched as it was

1603
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 4: or as it felt, you know, you know before the

1604
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: Trump and Biden administrations, you know what I mean. This

1605
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 4: was originally slated to you know, to open off Broadway

1606
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 4: during the Trump elections, you know what I mean. So yeah,

1607
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 4: I mean I think there's some you know, rejiggering that

1608
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it needs to take place. There's

1609
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, very much that you know, we need to

1610
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 4: sort of be revisited. But just you know, for for

1611
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 4: the fact that you know, what felt so dynamically sensational,

1612
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 4: you know, six years ago, eight years ago no longer

1613
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 4: feels that way. It's like that has been our reality

1614
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 4: and worse, you know what I mean, so much off

1615
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 4: the wall shit has happened.

1616
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those don't know.

1617
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: The Black Memoirs a book written by George Skyler yep,

1618
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: I thinking like it was like one of the first

1619
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: that her futurist books nineteen thirty two. Oh wow, yeah,

1620
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: and he basically, uh, it's just it's a satire about

1621
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: a black man who changes his skin color, falls in

1622
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: love with a white woman and now she's pregnant, right,

1623
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: and she will eventually find out that which.

1624
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: This that that's that's a show that was on Bravo

1625
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: last night, right, you know what I mean.

1626
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 8: It's like, you know, how do we how does he

1627
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 8: know because he watches Bravo.

1628
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: We got it?

1629
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, yea, we gotta we gotta sort of punch

1630
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 4: it up a little bit, I think, just to make

1631
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 4: it more you know, as far fetched said as it felt.

1632
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: Uh, you know at its own set.

1633
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: Actually, you are one of the most random TV watching people.

1634
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: I know, Like, what are you watching?

1635
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: And how do you pick?

1636
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 2: Because you and Jimmy will talk about the most random

1637
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: You'll discover shit on QB or whatever like Tubby.

1638
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: To me, Toby, I was like, who QB? Well?

1639
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: QB was a that was Quibbi. Yeah, that was that

1640
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 2: lasted like ten minutes. Yeah, like what mindless ship do

1641
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: you watch?

1642
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 4: Or like, what's what shows right right right now I'm watching,

1643
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 4: I'm watching you know, bass Lorman bass Reads.

1644
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Lorman bass.

1645
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 4: Reeves is, uh, is about the US Marshall first, the

1646
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 4: first black U S Marshall.

1647
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 1: Really it's the character.

1648
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 4: It's the real life person that the Lone Ranger character

1649
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 4: was based on, you know what I mean, which is

1650
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 4: based on a black person. Yeah, the Lone Ranger was

1651
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 4: based on a black person. But you know they weren't

1652
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: gonna have it. I mean they're like, yo, let's make

1653
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 4: it a black a white man and put a mask on.

1654
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: The mass.

1655
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, so bass Reeves, Uh, it's this dope show

1656
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 4: that I've been watching recently, Yellow Yeah, it's in the

1657
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: Yellowstone family.

1658
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: And a Yellowstone worth it. Yes, it is.

1659
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 4: This was what else I was gonna say anything Yellowstone

1660
01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 4: eighteen eighty three. That's level like I must watch a different, different, different,

1661
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think I'm always excited

1662
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 4: when somebody could get period right, you know what I mean?

1663
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: And they got period right, you know what I mean?

1664
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: Every time.

1665
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 8: So and also the inclusion of the indigenous culture and

1666
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 8: just giving us more context.

1667
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they got it. Run. So I'll go on

1668
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: Apple TV and you see, Yo, I'm watching that.

1669
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 4: I'm watching that now, Bass Reds, I mean, Loman Bass Reeves.

1670
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 4: I'm also watching well, yeah, the Gilded Age.

1671
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Have you seen Killers of

1672
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: the Flower Moon yet?

1673
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: No?

1674
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: I hear it.

1675
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I haven't watched that yet. But Fargo, the

1676
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: new season of Fargo, Yeah yeah, yeah, four episodes in. Yeah,

1677
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying. And I've been, uh,

1678
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 4: I keep coming back to just because it's like I

1679
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,879
Speaker 4: can never even though it's only three episodes.

1680
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: I think they're like an hour and a half long each.

1681
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 4: The American Buffalo documentary Ken Burns, which is you know,

1682
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 4: it's not just about the Buffalo, you know what I mean,

1683
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,480
Speaker 4: It's really about out America and you talk about indigenous

1684
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 4: people and I'm just a history buffing that way. So

1685
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 4: I've been rocking with dad. I found out that it

1686
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 4: was out because Celia came home. She was like, they

1687
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 4: made us watch this documentary today in school. I'm sure

1688
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 4: you would be into it.

1689
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: I was like, what is it?

1690
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 4: She was like about the American Buffalo. I was like,

1691
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 4: do tell it was Kim Burns And I was like, ship, like,

1692
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, hell yah. So I've been watching that only

1693
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 4: because I have to watch a Kim Burns documentary maybe

1694
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: like five six times to you know, take in all

1695
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 4: the information.

1696
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: You fuck with rap shit on HBO. I watched the

1697
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: first season. Second season is better. I mean, the first

1698
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: season is good, but the second season is it's good.

1699
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: I have, I have.

1700
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 7: I haven't seen every father's impression of their teenage daughter

1701
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 7: is exactly the same, because I.

1702
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: Thought, right, yeah, right, exactly do your kids like are

1703
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: they aware? Are you dad? Are you? Or are they

1704
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: like do you catch them listening to your music? Or yeah,

1705
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, aren't you worry for them?

1706
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: No?

1707
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: No, I catch a mirror listening to my music. You know.

1708
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 4: He does his little playlist and stuff, and sometimes even

1709
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 4: his playlist of other music that he's listening to in

1710
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 4: the shower and all that.

1711
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's dope to see.

1712
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 4: That he's somehow found music that I was listening to

1713
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 4: when I was in my twenties two without me having

1714
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 4: to say, let me.

1715
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: Put you onto it.

1716
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 4: So there's that it's Sealia, you know, does the same thing,

1717
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. She listens to my music.

1718
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 4: She has a little bit, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1719
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 4: she's becoming a hip hop here. But Tariq, he's never

1720
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 4: been into any of my me The only root song,

1721
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 4: roots thing that Tariq has really that has resonated with him,

1722
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 4: not our Disney Junior stuff as what you would think.

1723
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 4: It's the Blackish thing, the June Team Blackiest thing that's

1724
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 4: you know, uh, And that put him on to the

1725
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 4: whole Schoolhouse Rock world and he started listening to the

1726
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 4: original I'm Just a Bill and all the original Schoolhouse

1727
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 4: Rock shit, and then the new Schoolhouse Rocks You and

1728
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 4: then the new New Schoolhouse Rock shit, all just from

1729
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 4: ours yeah, from our Blackish segment. So this is that,

1730
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, But what he's up on

1731
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: and what I'm still trying to dissect because it played

1732
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 4: out the same way with Kamala's kids, who were like,

1733
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 4: you know, two and six or two and eight, No,

1734
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 4: Tarika's eight, maybe Kamala's. Because the youngest kids are two

1735
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 4: and six, they all know every word the mama said,

1736
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 4: knock you out, and they've owned they saw l L

1737
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 4: perform it a couple of times that they came to

1738
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 4: the shows with us, But for some reason, this is

1739
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 4: the first rap song Treek's known. All the lyrics to

1740
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 4: Kamal's Little Baby, you know what I mean, cash Like

1741
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: they all listen, they know all of the from don't

1742
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 4: call it a And I'm like, that's what I need to.

1743
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: Tap into, you know what I mean. It's like, Yo,

1744
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: they don't be my son. But we talked.

1745
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 4: I've never heard none of my children have ever sang

1746
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 4: one of my joints the way Treek sing.

1747
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Don't call it a comeback. I'm like, yo, like out

1748
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: of a movements.

1749
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, there's definitely something in that that h

1750
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 4: channel and that's what Yeah, And that's why I told you.

1751
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, we need to use that joint

1752
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 4: that we didn't want to yo, because it might be

1753
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 4: something in that and I don't know if it's the

1754
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 4: music or the lyrics or the marriage.

1755
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: Well return yeah yeah, my okay.

1756
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: So you know, we redid Mama for the NBA mid

1757
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: season the mid season tournament, and my initial idea I

1758
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: knew they wanted Mama said knock you out. But also

1759
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 2: LL's kind of this place where it's like, yo, man,

1760
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: I'm not a legacy act like that sort of thing.

1761
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: But you know, the people that write the text are like, nah, man,

1762
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: we just just do your song from nineteen ninety please

1763
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: and take this check.

1764
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, let me find a

1765
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: happy meeting.

1766
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 2: So I actually did something dope where I reversed because

1767
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm also working on the Slide movie.

1768
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: I have access to the masters, so I was like,

1769
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: all right, let me reverse the song.

1770
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 2: And you know, like what terminator Actually a ja panic

1771
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,919
Speaker 2: was to rebel without a pause, like the sirens going backwards.

1772
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 2: So I did a backwards version that ship and it

1773
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: sounds dope as ship, and Even was like, uh, let's

1774
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: let's not give this to them.

1775
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 4: Like Even was like, God, it's great, I mean because

1776
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 4: I mean, we see you working, you know what I mean,

1777
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 4: you you know, been dropping projects left right in terms

1778
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 4: of you know, a roots record. Now that Rich is

1779
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 4: no longer here in that role, who is in that

1780
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 4: role for y'all? Yeah there is you know, I don't

1781
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 4: know that there's anyone in that role. Yeah, I think,

1782
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 4: and I have to be yeah, yeah, we've we've had

1783
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 4: to extend ourselves not necessarily over extended. We've had to

1784
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 4: extend ourselves in order to fill in that gap, you know,

1785
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 4: because Sean, though he is he's he's an innovative, he's

1786
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 4: not necessarily a creative, you.

1787
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1788
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: He's a business mind. He's an innovative mind. He's not

1789
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 4: a creative. And that was the beauty of the balance

1790
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 4: between him and Rich was like, you know what I mean,

1791
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 4: hot and cold?

1792
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1793
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's that.

1794
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 4: But I think in terms of an album being done,

1795
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 4: I think we got plenty of material. I think it's

1796
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 4: just gonna boil down to you know, I may or

1797
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 4: not being excited enough in any moment to do the

1798
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 4: mix is necessary to say all right, this is the

1799
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 4: ten songs or twelve songs, however many that are gonna

1800
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 4: be album. But we got enough joints, you know, we

1801
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 4: have more than enough.

1802
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,839
Speaker 2: I just for me, once a week, I get excited

1803
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: about something else, and then I'll.

1804
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: Replace it and replace it and replace it.

1805
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 9: That's the problem, because really wouldn't Rich be the want

1806
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 9: to come in and be like mother.

1807
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like in your dreams thing, then in

1808
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 2: your dreams thing got shelved because it's just like, look,

1809
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: we gotta wrap up.

1810
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: Do you want more?

1811
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: We're not gonna get this shit done in time. So

1812
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: that's the one thing I don't have, which is like,

1813
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 2: all right, no more new songs.

1814
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 4: There's there's value in our procrastination in that, you know,

1815
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 4: once we put out any thing, then it's out right

1816
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 4: right now. The bar is where the bar is. What

1817
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 4: the Roots brand means to people is what it means.

1818
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think there's something in that. I think

1819
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 4: the whole what makes the Roots the Roots is the

1820
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,480
Speaker 4: fact that we've always you know, thought and then overthought

1821
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 4: right in the process.

1822
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: So I think now the idea is to pull it

1823
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: back a little bit.

1824
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 4: We don't need to overthink, but I think we still

1825
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 4: need to be as considerate in the process as we

1826
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 4: you know, have in the past. Because that's that's the

1827
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 4: difference when people say, Yo, what's the difference in me

1828
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,560
Speaker 4: in the Roots? In me on somebody else's shit, is like,

1829
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna pull up and I'm gonna almost go

1830
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 4: with the first thing that comes to my mind. That's

1831
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 4: why streams of thought is called streams of thought because

1832
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 4: it's like it's as close to a freestyle as you

1833
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 4: know what I mean, I'm just letting the it's the

1834
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: first thing that I think of, which you know and

1835
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 4: many times is dope, and you know it's witty and funny,

1836
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 4: but it's not what we do in the roots. It's

1837
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 4: not rich challenging me to you know, be something that's

1838
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 4: gonna fucking you know, resonate just reading it off the page.

1839
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 4: That's not what I have to do if I'm in

1840
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 4: the studio with Ninth or Salime or Sean c. And

1841
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 4: that's part of you know, that's what informs it and

1842
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 4: makes it. It's a dope exercise because it's not as

1843
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 4: it's not something that I won't say. I don't take

1844
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,839
Speaker 4: it as serious. But it's just a different process, I understand,

1845
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 4: you know.

1846
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: What I mean.

1847
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: It's a different process, you know.

1848
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 4: So I mean I think in that like, you know,

1849
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 4: the roots album, especially based on what dictates enough material

1850
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 4: to be an album in this day and time, we've

1851
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 4: got multiple new roots albums done. What do you feel

1852
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: like y'all or do you feel like y'all have anything

1853
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 4: to prove on the album front?

1854
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: Like what would be the so the one thing that

1855
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: has occurred to me and then you shoot Your Cousin

1856
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 2: came out in twenty fourteen, so we're going on the

1857
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: tenth year and I probably have done twenty thousand hours

1858
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: of DJing. Now, the DJing that I've done post twenty

1859
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 2: fourteen is different than the dj and I've done pre

1860
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, in which, you know, jams.

1861
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Are foreign between And I'm the kind of guy that,

1862
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: unless like I'm doing a gold.

1863
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Party or like it's a high pressure situation where it's like,

1864
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 2: all right, well Drake syah, so let me play some

1865
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: trap like the shit he knows, I'm always the guy that,

1866
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 2: like I now know how to read my audience in

1867
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: a way that I didn't before, Whereas before I was

1868
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 2: obsessed with letting you know, yeah I got that Japanese

1869
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 2: prints that you don't got, and you know, I'm not

1870
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: looking at the floor clearing and none of that shit.

1871
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm so I'm so hyper aware of what works and

1872
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 2: what doesn't work as a DJ that now as a creator,

1873
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: I can't divorce myself from it. So now I'm thinking

1874
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: of like, is this the right bpms? Where's the melody at?

1875
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: What should we talk about? Like things I never thought

1876
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: about before, like well this resonate with the audience.

1877
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: In recent years.

1878
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 4: You know, like when a mayor gives me a beat

1879
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 4: or like an idea for a composition, he does a

1880
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 4: whole separate track now of just like a guide track

1881
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 4: of him saying okay, like you know, okay, the first

1882
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 4: can start here, you talk about this here, and then okay,

1883
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 4: like here you can do something like what was like

1884
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 4: now I'm like Nigga just right around. But yeah, he's

1885
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 4: definitely uh you know, uh, just paying attention to a

1886
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 4: lot more of the detail with anything that I think.

1887
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I mean, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah,

1888
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: because you have new information. Yes, I'll be calling you joy. Oh,

1889
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean okay, but as soon as I concentrate.

1890
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: But also, like the movie was unexpected, Like you know,

1891
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: the movie was a thing that, oh, let me just

1892
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: pass the time in the pandemic, and now it's like,

1893
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 2: oh god, now I got two careers.

1894
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 8: So both of y'all, y'all schedules are crazy between the

1895
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 8: both of you.

1896
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm trying to think of things that like

1897
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: the Internet always wanted to know. I'm not asking any

1898
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: masterpiece theater questions because it's like.

1899
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Dude, he's done like swimming records.

1900
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: But what I will ask is what five m sees

1901
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: that are least expected for us to know?

1902
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: You dig?

1903
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Because the second time we talked about rap shit, he

1904
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: sold me on turn this mother Out. And I'm like

1905
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Hammer and I joked, I joked once on what had

1906
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: happened was that I'm almost certain that our love of

1907
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Apache or rhyming over Apache had more to do with

1908
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Turn this Mother Out than it did men at work.

1909
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: But Tarik is like, instantly, Tarik sold me on it. Yo,

1910
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 2: you know about n w A And I'm like, dude,

1911
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 2: they got Jerry Curls. I ain't listening to shit, and

1912
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 2: he's like, but listen to this. And then he played

1913
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: me turn this Mother Out, and I'm like you like

1914
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: MC hammer, I didn't. I thought like, great, nice was

1915
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 2: corny and he's like.

1916
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: No, man.

1917
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, Like Tarik has a way of

1918
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 2: listening to anything, Like I go on the tour of

1919
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: b US and listen to A Paul and MJG. Yeah.

1920
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll never listened to Pastor Choy in

1921
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: this lifetime, and then suddenly like I'm Pastor Joy's number

1922
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 2: one fan. So it's like Tarik's put me on to

1923
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 2: so much unorthodox things that normally my snobby East Coast

1924
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: era ass like what what MC's are like, you're under championed,

1925
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 2: non obvious ones, non king non.

1926
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: Like of from back in the day or period.

1927
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 4: Karen, You know, I think Special Led is an unsung

1928
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 4: you know hero in that you know his album The

1929
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 4: Youngest in Charge, you just talk about just the power

1930
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 4: of youthful expression, and he was specially that was fourteen

1931
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 4: years old.

1932
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: I look at my kids at fourteen.

1933
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I when it's like, if I'm

1934
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 4: in a moment where I have to just rap a rap,

1935
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull from you know, anywhere I rapped from

1936
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 4: anybody's catalog, shit that you.

1937
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Don't even remember you wrote.

1938
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 4: But one of the you know rhymes that I often

1939
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 4: do is, you know, I was proven effective by a

1940
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 4: clinical test because some couldn't come to believe I'm the best,

1941
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 4: so they to me and now they're in the clinic.

1942
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 4: They almost arrested me because I did it, but I

1943
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 4: didn't mean to do it. You had to mess with

1944
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 4: me and then you blew it. Now you gotta chew it,

1945
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 4: swallow it all. I guess that's the way that you

1946
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 4: bounce the ball like this is a fourteen year old

1947
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 4: wrote that, and that's a that's timeless, Like I can

1948
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 4: you know depend no matter what the the soundbit is,

1949
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 4: the music that I put it over like those bars

1950
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 4: will forever like rain poetic and you know what I mean,

1951
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 4: like bring something up and folks that hear it was

1952
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 4: my one. You wish you could that was my That

1953
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 4: was another I mean, especial levels, just super dope. So

1954
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 4: I think he's he's one of those ones. I think,

1955
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 4: you know, cool Keith, you know what I mean for

1956
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 4: the whole I think cool Keith Man shit. I mean,

1957
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 4: he was like, you know, the thelonious monk of this

1958
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 4: shit in that you know, I mean, his shit didn't

1959
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 4: even have to rhyme, you know what I'm saying. And

1960
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 4: they were him and said like ultra magneticum seeds were

1961
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 4: ahead of their time in so many ways. So yeah,

1962
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, cool Keith is another one, Greg Nice,

1963
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? I think just geniuses that

1964
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 4: I was able to recognize and latch onto, and that

1965
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,480
Speaker 4: it's something from their body of work that I've extracted

1966
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 4: that you know, I mean, I still these are I

1967
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 4: kicked all it all, all of the above.

1968
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: I kicked their bars every day, like the ship just

1969
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: came out.

1970
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 9: Is there anybody currently?

1971
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?

1972
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,719
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we saw you in the roots

1973
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 4: forced to use rocking ma comedy and yeah, yeah Mack, Yeah,

1974
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 4: that's that's my ace, you know what I'm saying.

1975
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: He was in the studio with It's just the other

1976
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: night Mark, you know. Yeah.

1977
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 4: I think he's one of those ones, you know, someone

1978
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 4: who again understands just a sensibility of you know, a

1979
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 4: person who's been around since the nineties, but who's also

1980
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 4: in just some ways just feels you know, still cutting edge, right,

1981
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 4: and I think his association with the whole Griselda family

1982
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 4: in that movement, but the way that he's distinctly you know, different,

1983
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 4: is huge too.

1984
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I saw you did. We

1985
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: were on the same album Your Drew.

1986
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 4: That's that's the second person I was about the name man, Yeah,

1987
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 4: and you Rold Drug is Actually he's my connection to

1988
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 4: my comedy.

1989
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: But he's another one. You know.

1990
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 4: When Your Old Drew came out, I didn't rock with

1991
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 4: it because I felt like, yeah, I thought his voice,

1992
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: I thought he sounded too much like nads and I'm

1993
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 4: not you know, I'm.

1994
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: Huge on you know, just you know, being being originally,

1995
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1996
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 4: And I was like, nah, you know, I'm not rocking

1997
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 4: with this shit, like you know, I think it was

1998
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 4: Hoodie season or one of those first joints, you know.

1999
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 4: But I met him on the road opening up for

2000
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 4: Royson and Premiere when they were doing their prime tour

2001
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 4: and we sort of hit it off. And you know

2002
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 4: what I mean, I've been you know, I talk about

2003
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 4: mentorship and you know, just artists that we shared demos

2004
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 4: with one another, and I'm able to just you know,

2005
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 4: offer sage wisdom and they're not gonna catch feelings if

2006
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 4: I say I don't like this one and I like

2007
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 4: that one. He's been one of those artists and over time,

2008
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 4: you know, I was trying to get at Mock and

2009
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 4: he was non responsive until Drew put us on the

2010
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 4: same song and then you know, like sort of connected us,

2011
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Then now yeah, you know

2012
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 4: he and I, me and Mak be rocking. But yeah,

2013
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 4: your old Drew. He's another the one man. He's just

2014
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 4: super dope, and uh, you know, I had to I

2015
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 4: had to give it up. You know what I'm saying,

2016
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: because he proved that he was a real deal.

2017
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 8: I need everybody to realize, who hasn't read this book

2018
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 8: that we probably only covered about.

2019
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 9: Two to three of his talents.

2020
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 8: Now in this book, there is history that gives you

2021
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 8: history on his gourmet cooking talents because yes, he's a

2022
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 8: gourmet chef. There's history to his visual arts talents because

2023
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 8: that's what he went to school for.

2024
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 9: There's also history sing just about to stay that the

2025
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 9: man sank in the choiet and.

2026
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was like, but I I can

2027
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: sing fine, taking sad.

2028
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, But I just I just

2029
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 8: wanted to throw that out there as we are, you know,

2030
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 8: wrapping this up, and I just feel like it's just what.

2031
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Most people say, read the book, read that.

2032
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 4: But no, man, I just want to say, man, before

2033
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 4: we go, dude, you have really been you know what

2034
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I mean, first is even say that you

2035
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 4: felt threatened. I mean, that's just the crazy shit. Ever,

2036
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 4: because when I got that call, I I was jumping

2037
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 4: off the damn wall. I was like, what, like, hell yeah, so,

2038
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 4: but nah, man, you've been one of the people that

2039
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 4: I watch just and has been an example of how

2040
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 4: to age in hip hop, like how and how.

2041
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: To do it gracefully and tastefully, you know what I mean.

2042
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 4: So my question for you was who or did you

2043
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 4: have anyone as an example to say, Okay, this is

2044
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 4: what hip hop looks like at forty or fifty, like

2045
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 4: this is a model.

2046
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: Did you have that? I mean, you know, not that

2047
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: I didn't.

2048
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I did have that, but I don't

2049
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 4: know that I was as aware of it or just

2050
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 4: tapped into the example as it was being set.

2051
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: But you know, I look at people like you know,

2052
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,799
Speaker 1: the ll who J's of the world, and even.

2053
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 4: Though it's been a long time, you know what I mean,

2054
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 4: since he's done a tour, right, you know what I mean,

2055
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 4: just the example of being one of the earliest like

2056
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 4: multi hyphenates, right, you know what I mean, just the

2057
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 4: whole polymath of it all, Like with the example of

2058
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 4: him in iced Tea, you know, like set as far

2059
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 4: as like reinvent. I think it was dope and I think,

2060
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, just you know, the example of being a

2061
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 4: class act, you know what I mean, is what resonated

2062
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 4: with me, like the most with artists like you know,

2063
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 4: the reason LLL is around and still matters and you know, like.

2064
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: People care, you know about all these other endeavors.

2065
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 4: What it is that he's doing is because he's personable

2066
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 4: and he's you know, he's nice to folks, and you

2067
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 4: know he you know, is conscious about leaving a place

2068
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 4: or a personal thing better than he sort of found it.

2069
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 4: And I learned that the first time I inducted, like

2070
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 4: we inducted maybe I've inducted ll into like three you

2071
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 4: know what I mean, National Archives at this at this time.

2072
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: But the first time I.

2073
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 4: Did it, it was me and Eminem and Jazzy Jeff

2074
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 4: and it was like the hip Hop Honors thing and

2075
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 4: he called me the next day. I'm like, he found

2076
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 4: my number, you know what I mean? Boom, you know

2077
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 4: they call me yo to reach my on the phone

2078
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 4: for you Yo, cool Jay. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I

2079
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 4: just wanted to thank you for you know what I'm saying, Yo,

2080
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 4: the wave represented be last night's huge, huge.

2081
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Like yo, But it's those those.

2082
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 4: You know, Elverson call you ll Ella is going to

2083
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 4: send you a handwritten thank you new you know what

2084
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, sent L L A D M.

2085
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 4: Jokingly like Yo, I see everybody you know, doing these

2086
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 4: boombox I'm boxing they you know, uh uh rock the

2087
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 4: bells jackets with my joint at like you know ship

2088
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 4: seventy two hours later, this is from Mellow Cool J.

2089
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I got my jacket. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2090
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, I think, I think you

2091
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: know that.

2092
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 4: Is is an example of how to you know, to age,

2093
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 4: to grow, to evolve gracefully in this game. I think

2094
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 4: another dope example has been set by Danna, like Queen Latifa,

2095
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, just you know, and these

2096
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 4: are people.

2097
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:46,560
Speaker 1: Who like what they do.

2098
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 4: The challenges that they're able to continue to rise to

2099
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 4: is what gives me reassurance.

2100
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 1: Like yo, I probably could do all the ship.

2101
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 4: You know, out of all the people that I know, right,

2102
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 4: I've never known anyone in my circle or even remotely

2103
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 4: you know, distantly connected to my circle that has never

2104
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 4: given up on a thing and didn't you know, make it.

2105
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2106
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 4: It's like everybody that I know who shit didn't work,

2107
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 4: who you know what I mean, fell off the rails,

2108
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 4: they gave they gave up, quit, they quit niggas who

2109
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 4: I know I know a bunch of people who didn't

2110
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 4: quit and they've all gone on to greatness, you know,

2111
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 4: so I think there's something in that. And did I

2112
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 4: try to, uh, you know, just be more cognizant of

2113
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 4: those examples again, like when they're being set, because you know,

2114
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 4: a lot of the ship is a blur.

2115
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Nah man, look, I will say, without being as mushy

2116
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 2: as possible, and this is this this and this is

2117
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 2: real maturity right here.

2118
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, Toreq, you know, no one ever gets that reference

2119
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, no, here's the deal. In my

2120
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: first book when they.

2121
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 2: Were like, all right, do a dedication, moidment right right,

2122
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: and there was like do a dedication, and I was like,

2123
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 2: I just want to say, well, Torique, and that's it.

2124
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: And you know the publicshers like, well, lips this after it,

2125
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 2: I said, he's going to get he's going to understand it. No, Like, well,

2126
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 2: Toriq was always And the way that manifesting works is

2127
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 2: whenever we would like to take the trains back from

2128
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: like busking or whatever, like we would have a ritual

2129
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 2: of like getting famous aime as cookies in orange Juice

2130
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 2: and either watching do the Right Thing or Cape Fear,

2131
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,520
Speaker 2: and as we're walking home like two in the morning.

2132
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Very related films as one does on the other. I'm

2133
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: with it.

2134
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 2: I just did streaming, but we have options now, we have,

2135
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 2: you know. And the thing was, I do some sillies

2136
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: with like well Toeriq. Man.

2137
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: We just did like two months in Europe straight that.

2138
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 2: But I'm saying shit as if it were never going

2139
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 2: to happen to in lifeline, like damn Treiq. We just

2140
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 2: playing in front of like twelve thousand people at the

2141
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Spectrum, man, and we're only home for like three

2142
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: hours before we got to get up at four morning

2143
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 2: and catch this flight to like Colorado. We be laughing

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Speaker 2: like a man like this whatever, and not knowing that

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Speaker 2: we're literally manifest. So I would always start some ship

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Speaker 2: with well to reek Uh, and I'll just simply say

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Speaker 2: thank you, And that's a very loaded thank you without

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Speaker 2: being super mussy about it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a mussy person.

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Speaker 5: Good just fight again, Yes.

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Speaker 1: And fan.

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Speaker 2: Mama here, thank you. Thank you for having me the

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Speaker 2: great to reach out to or in quest love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: You guys can stop asking me a week's episode. See

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Speaker 2: you the next go around, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: This is Sugar Steve. Thank you for listening to Quest

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Speaker 6: Love Supreme. This podcast is hosted by a mere Quest

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Speaker 6: Love Thompsona Saint Clair, Fonte Coleman Sugar, Steve Mandel, and

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Speaker 6: paid Bill Sherman. Executive producers are a mere Quest of Thompson,

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Speaker 6: Sean g and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Britty Benjamin, Jake.

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Speaker 5: Payne and Liah Saint Clair.

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Speaker 6: Edited by Alex Conroy. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown

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Speaker 6: and Mike Johns.

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Speaker 1: Bost Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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