Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, yay.
Speaker 2: Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 4: My name is Leeza Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank, your other host, And every week
Speaker 1: we recap an episode of SVU. We talk about the
Speaker 1: true crimeates based on and soon we'll be back to
Speaker 1: talking to guests because the strike is oh thea But
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I don't know if we're going
Speaker 1: to vote on this thing. Have you voted no on
Speaker 1: the contract?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I don't look at any I don't really I don't.
Speaker 2: I've like taken myself out of society in a way.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, why.
Speaker 2: Don't check my mail? Yes, I don't check my email.
Speaker 2: I don't have TikTok and I don't have Instagram anymore.
Speaker 2: And I've truly been watching YouTube shorts on my phone,
Speaker 2: so that might have to go soon too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been slowly like retreating into the woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, into the woods instead of out of the woods.
Speaker 2: But this morning in bed, I did check a quick
Speaker 2: tailor Travis update.
Speaker 1: But oh, come on, we need that's it, we need that,
Speaker 1: We need that. Yeah, that's she straight from Brazil. She
Speaker 1: went right to Kansas City, so I love that. Ooh
Speaker 1: is there a direct from sam Pello to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny that you asked they stopped in Florida.
Speaker 1: They did a refuel stop in Florida. Wow, you're early
Speaker 1: on that. I can't believe it. So okay, wait, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of news. This episode is coming out. Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: we're always in the time machine. I know this is
Speaker 1: gonna be old news by them. But Da Da Rollins
Speaker 1: is coming back to SVU.
Speaker 2: I didn't even see that because I'm off the internet.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't even text.
Speaker 1: Me I because I knew I was seeing you in
Speaker 1: ten minutes.
Speaker 4: Oh, you just found it.
Speaker 1: I just found it. I literally just posted it to
Speaker 1: our Instagram, like honestly ten minutes ago. Kelly gishsh Kelly Giddish,
Speaker 1: you know I know what I'm hurrying. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I will stand corrected in that because look, it's on
Speaker 1: People Magazine that she's returning for season twenty five and
Speaker 1: I will stand corrected. I think I said I like Rowlins,
Speaker 1: She's done great work, and I thought, I don't really
Speaker 1: think anyone's gonna miss her. I missed her. I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't like who they replaced her with. I
Speaker 1: didn't like they need her. I like her there, I
Speaker 1: like her and Careesi. I want I want her back.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I want her back, and I you know,
Speaker 2: maybe she'll maybe there'll be some nice serial killer episodes
Speaker 2: that she can do, you know, some yes, yes, her
Speaker 2: analysis on.
Speaker 1: I at this point, I don't even care that she's
Speaker 1: like not qualified to play the hoong of the group,
Speaker 1: but like I want to have a hoong, so let's
Speaker 1: get her in there. Like I want to have somebody
Speaker 1: who's like telling me about like weird psychoses. I've never
Speaker 1: heard of weird disease, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: I want that like element back.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, because I wonder if you know, her
Speaker 2: whole thing of leaving is she has kids and she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to get shot at, so it could be
Speaker 2: in the realm of what you're saying, Yeah, she's like
Speaker 2: a squadron helping. Yeah, you know, I'm really excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's been classy about it all. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's still such a thrill that.
Speaker 1: I knew something about it. I knew something was up
Speaker 1: because like a lot of you guys have sent us
Speaker 1: the it's like a little video of you know that
Speaker 1: song that's like big on TikTok and Instagram. It's like
Speaker 1: Y'm a little boo thing or whatever. It's it's Marishka
Speaker 1: and k and Kelly like dancing to that and like
Speaker 1: lip syncing it together. And I was like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: back on set, like and she's probably coming back, you know.
Speaker 1: And then this People magazine like dropped today. So thank
Speaker 1: you to everybody who sent it. I love that you
Speaker 1: guys always send us like all the same like memes
Speaker 1: and stuff on mass like and are like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've gotten this ten thousand times, but here it is again.
Speaker 1: You know what. We're fine. You know what I also getting.
Speaker 1: So we got that Spotify wrapped. That's what I was
Speaker 1: just gonnaate it.
Speaker 2: Text me hello to our new listeners in New Zealand
Speaker 2: and the Philippine. I mean, hello, that's exciting. I actually
Speaker 2: know two people who just got engaged in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I had Yeah, but I had known that
Speaker 2: he was proposing for months. He's like, Yeah, we're going
Speaker 2: on this trip in the fall, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, they're like, we're going on this trip and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, is it fall? Like what the fuck? But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's exciting. And someone showed me the video of
Speaker 1: him doing it. Because I'm not on the internet. It
Speaker 1: is really weird in LA because of the weather. I
Speaker 1: think I've probably talked about this on the podcast before,
Speaker 1: but I do have to like remind myself what month
Speaker 1: it is, like multiple times a week. Like I'm always like,
Speaker 1: but if it was if I was in New York,
Speaker 1: I would know, Like I would know because of the weather.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, it's February, like oh more almost
Speaker 1: to March where it's gonna warm up a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like this the constant sunshine
Speaker 1: and like relative warmth. I always forget the month. But
Speaker 1: Spotify rap season is one of my favorite times of
Speaker 1: the year. You guys are so awesome and everybody's like sharing,
Speaker 1: Like we got some people that are like we're in
Speaker 1: their top point oh one percent, They're in our top
Speaker 1: one point one percent of our listeners.
Speaker 4: Or something.
Speaker 1: So that means they're like super listeners and love that.
Speaker 1: Love you guys for sharing your Spotify raps, and I
Speaker 1: like to see what you guys also listen to. Like
Speaker 1: if you like us, who else do you like? You know?
Speaker 1: Because we get some ruined which obviously is like our
Speaker 1: friends that we've turned you guys Onto and Tricksy and
Speaker 1: Katya who we talk about all the time. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: we just get like some interest, a lot of like
Speaker 1: you're wrong about in a maintenance phase, which I like
Speaker 1: other exactly right podcasts. That's why we drink girls sometimes. Woeah.
Speaker 4: We do want to know.
Speaker 2: So our top episode on Spotify was Abomination with Michael Bowman.
Speaker 2: So if that's something that you listen to time and
Speaker 2: time again or was that just a special week that.
Speaker 4: They found us all like, I'm so, I mean, we
Speaker 4: loved him.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like wondering if that's like the first
Speaker 1: week that they like opened up ratings on Spotify. By
Speaker 1: the way, you guys can rate us on Spotify now
Speaker 1: if you want to. I mean I don't, it's in
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 2: I like our Kelly Giddish scoop was like almost immediately
Speaker 2: after she left the show. I would think that would
Speaker 2: be where people walk to. But Michael Bowman our library guy,
Speaker 2: which is yeah, listen, I do have another Kelsey Brothers
Speaker 2: thing to say, and then we can, of course plug
Speaker 2: the tour. We have a few more dates left her,
Speaker 2: you know, just for Christmas. But who are the two
Speaker 2: people from It's Always Sonny that are married?
Speaker 4: Do you remember their names?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I know. It's Kaitlin Olsen. What's her husband,
Speaker 2: Kaylan Olsen?
Speaker 1: And mc Rob McKenny yeah or something, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So mclaney.
Speaker 2: So for the so the Eagles do this like autism
Speaker 2: foundation him and they were auctioning off this jacket and
Speaker 2: Rob McKellan ENnie he it reminds me of anemone from CNAMEO.
Speaker 4: Yes, is it cnemony?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you just said it right, I know, but
Speaker 1: that that's what his name.
Speaker 4: Reminded me of. And I love the little tentacle thing.
Speaker 2: Anyways, So he bid sixty two thousand dollars for this
Speaker 2: jacket and then he was outbid but for someone bidding
Speaker 2: one hundred grand who ended up being his wife. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I thought that was like really cute. That's very
Speaker 2: six in the city. It was for a Jason Kelcey jacket. No,
Speaker 2: it was like a Kelly Green jacket that his wife wore.
Speaker 2: Is like a limited edition. I have no idea. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know I'm a new fan. I have no idea
Speaker 2: why this jacket is special. I think it's an outdated
Speaker 2: green color that they don't use anymore, something like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're obviously Philadelphia people, and they're obviously
Speaker 2: the richest people.
Speaker 1: They're a fun couple. I bet they're a fun couple.
Speaker 1: They're for sure a fun couple. I be not my friends.
Speaker 1: She produces their like live podcasts. I should ask her
Speaker 1: if they're like, yeah together.
Speaker 2: They I would be shocked if they were not fun
Speaker 2: and into each other.
Speaker 4: I don't know, But who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know couples that are miserable and their
Speaker 2: Instagram looks incredible.
Speaker 4: So you really never know.
Speaker 1: Because I've been Yeah, like, I've been at parties with
Speaker 1: the other fucking guy from Always Sonny Charlie Day and
Speaker 1: his wife who's like also an actress and was in
Speaker 1: one of my favorite show, The Grinder. But I always
Speaker 1: Sonny's a big blind spot for me, and I feel
Speaker 1: like people are rabidly fans of it, and I just
Speaker 1: like don't know it. I just don't. It's a blind
Speaker 1: spot for me too. Yeah, should we like watch it together?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I've started a couple episodes.
Speaker 1: Should start from the beginning, virgins watching Always Sunny podcasts,
Speaker 1: Like we've not that we're virgins, but that we've never
Speaker 1: watched a second of Always Sonny and we started in.
Speaker 4: Twenty I think they get the reference. They get the reference.
Speaker 4: They didn't think that you are a virgin?
Speaker 1: Does anyone think I'm a virgin?
Speaker 2: I'm glad you clarify that. Let's see who this Glenn
Speaker 2: guy is married to. Now, I'm curious if they're all
Speaker 2: who they're all married to. We're just going on an
Speaker 2: Always Sonny hunt. Now, yeah, for some reason, And I mean,
Speaker 2: people really love Danny DeVito.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's all good. Wait, he's married to someone,
Speaker 1: Glenn Howardton. He's married. Okay, he's married to Jilliano.
Speaker 2: She did a guest appearance on the show, but she's
Speaker 2: not as recognizable to me as the other women.
Speaker 1: No, I guess I think that he dated somebody that
Speaker 1: was on SVU, because I feel like I was just
Speaker 1: on his profile, like seeing who he was, like you connect.
Speaker 1: There was some kind of you connect to him. But
Speaker 1: now I'm obviously they're not going to put his whole
Speaker 1: dating history in here. But interesting. Oh.
Speaker 4: I ran into a listenery yesterday at Target.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. That's where I always run into listeners really, like, well,
Speaker 1: the only times in LA people ever come up to
Speaker 1: me and say I listened to your podcast is a Target.
Speaker 1: I love that it's happened like four times. Well, I
Speaker 1: did something fun.
Speaker 2: You know, you're not supposed to do good deeds and
Speaker 2: brag about it, but I'll tell you it felt great,
Speaker 2: and if you're in the mood, I would suggest you
Speaker 2: do it. But the Comedy Store had a toy drive
Speaker 2: with the West Hollywood Fire Department, the la FD. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and basically I picked an amount of money I wanted
Speaker 2: to spend, and boy was it fun. I mean, I
Speaker 2: had the time of my life filling that cart up
Speaker 2: with toys. And I don't know, I just like the
Speaker 2: idea of the kids having good toys. And yeah, even
Speaker 2: if you get one amazing toy that you would like
Speaker 2: or your kids would like, I'm sure one of these
Speaker 2: people would like it.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It felt really exciting.
Speaker 2: So if anyone has extra income and one to give
Speaker 2: around the holidays, I would suggest buying a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of toys because you get the you you get
Speaker 1: the boost. You get the boosts to the shopping too,
Speaker 1: so you get the boost and then you know, you
Speaker 1: hope that like children are enjoying a fun time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was also going to show because.
Speaker 2: I showed up and someone brought a package a package
Speaker 2: of Uno. I'm sorry, that's four ninety nine. That's not enough. Like,
Speaker 2: I'll say that right here. No kid wants a packet
Speaker 2: of Uno for the holidays, that's all. That's that's not okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying everything is fine, but I don't agree.
Speaker 2: I think it needs to be something that you would want,
Speaker 2: because that was my big thing issue with food drive stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, obviously people are happy to have food, but like,
Speaker 2: no one wants these weird green beans in water, So
Speaker 2: why don't you get people things that you would actually
Speaker 2: want to eat.
Speaker 4: That's just something I believe in, but no big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was also going to shout out if you
Speaker 1: don't have time to go like shopping for toys, but
Speaker 1: you do want to help it the holiday season. A
Speaker 1: listener sent us from the Instagram account is called things
Speaker 1: Dot I Dot bought Dot and Dot liked. That's the
Speaker 1: Instagram I will obviously post it on our Instagram today
Speaker 1: the episode the day this episode comes out, but it
Speaker 1: has a big database of teacher with wishless from Title
Speaker 1: one schools. My child goes to a Title one school
Speaker 1: as well, and it's just like wishless that the teachers need.
Speaker 1: So you guys know, we're always like pumping up the teachers.
Speaker 1: But it's from all over the country, so like I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it right now. It's like New Haven, the Bronx, Cleveland, Delaware,
Speaker 1: like Texas, like it's everywhere. You could just go on
Speaker 1: here and like help a teacher clear their list for
Speaker 1: the holidays. That would be very cool. And you know,
Speaker 1: we're pro teacher on this pod, so that's another option
Speaker 1: if you can't, you can't go on a little target spree. Well,
Speaker 1: and I saw so do you know the lols Surprise Dolls? Yes,
Speaker 1: Julie is that's the one that Julia. I literally messaged
Speaker 1: Julia four days ago and I go, they're still playing
Speaker 1: with it. Oscar and Rosie were fighting over it. My
Speaker 1: our friend Julia, when I was pregnant with Oscar made
Speaker 1: me a cupcake that looked like a vagina and it
Speaker 1: had this little doll's head coming out of it in
Speaker 1: the cupcake and it was so funny. But I kept
Speaker 1: the doll because like Rosie loved it and they still
Speaker 1: play with it all.
Speaker 2: The time, and I should get her a big one.
Speaker 2: So they make him big too. And right now there's
Speaker 2: a Haribo Lol Surprise collab where like the doll has
Speaker 2: a belly chain with little gummy bears hanging off of it,
Speaker 2: on colorful hair and like plasticy outfits, and then there's
Speaker 2: like all the there's just like Harrobo collabs with these dolls.
Speaker 2: So you know, I was excited. Yeah, but you you
Speaker 2: helped me out. I grabbed some Gabby's Dollhouse was on sale.
Speaker 2: There was bluey stuff. I really I did it all.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy. But I just got huge Gabby's Dollhouse news.
Speaker 1: Today I'm dropping I'm dropping my son off at school
Speaker 1: and he has a hard time going in. He's been
Speaker 1: crying going in. It's just it's like, honestly, it's like
Speaker 1: a sense memory thing. Now he's not unhappy to go in,
Speaker 1: He's just like, oh, this is where I start crying.
Speaker 1: It's like a tradition. And so outside of his school
Speaker 1: there's a little bench that has a Gabby's Dollhouse ad
Speaker 1: on it. It's about wearing, it's not about putting your
Speaker 1: kids in the right car seat, but as all the characters.
Speaker 1: So we go look at it to like calm him
Speaker 1: down a little bit before we go into school, and
Speaker 1: this mom comes up, who I've known since last year
Speaker 1: because her daughter was in Rosie's class, was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: are you guys into that? My husband's directing the Gabby's
Speaker 1: Dollhouse movie. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is Oscar's favorite thing. And she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, there's gonna be screenings. I'll get you
Speaker 1: into a screening. I was like, amazing. She goes and
Speaker 1: if you want any toys, his office is right next
Speaker 1: to the big merch room where all the Gabby's Dollhouse
Speaker 1: toys are. And I was like, you gotta be joking me,
Speaker 1: Like what are the chances that, like I've talked to
Speaker 1: this woman all the time, but like we never would
Speaker 1: have even like talked about that. I don't think and
Speaker 1: so I was like, this is a huge day for
Speaker 1: me Gabby's Dollhouses. If you remember, this is what I
Speaker 1: talked about with Amber Stevens West. We were talking about
Speaker 1: how our kids are both super Gabby fans. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: well my thing.
Speaker 2: And he's young, so he doesn't he hasn't been poisoned
Speaker 2: by the world yet. But it's nice to know that
Speaker 2: a boy is watching a girl show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Gabby it like is kind, it feels girly.
Speaker 1: It's very painky cats. Yeah, but like when you watch it,
Speaker 1: the songs are really catchy. It shows you crafts. It
Speaker 1: tells you about like like there's a really cute song
Speaker 1: that's like I don't know how to do that yet,
Speaker 1: Like about how important the word yet is. Like you
Speaker 1: don't just say I can't. You're like, I can't do
Speaker 1: that yet, you know. Like it's a really cute show.
Speaker 1: I actually don't mind it. Rosie hates it now because
Speaker 1: he's Oscar's obsessed and she's like in protest. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm I'm thrilled about my new Gabby's Dollhouse connect.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I know that's huge really, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what's fun in la I guess someone's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do that. So that's exciting because everyone told me
Speaker 2: at the comedy store that Travis Kelce had been there,
Speaker 2: that he goes there and he's ends with certain comics
Speaker 2: that are like success.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that you're not that many degrees
Speaker 1: away from meeting him. I don't think that would be impossible.
Speaker 4: I don't either.
Speaker 2: I actually yeah, I've been thinking if we can retroactively
Speaker 2: go back to our episodes that have aired and taken
Speaker 2: out the judgmental things I have said about Taylor and
Speaker 2: that air them back out, just in case she finds it.
Speaker 2: Because now I'm I am so hardcore. You don't understand,
Speaker 2: Like I just didn't even understand folklore. And now I'm
Speaker 2: just like alone on walks crying listening to these songs
Speaker 2: that I think it.
Speaker 1: Takes this strong. You're you're a good person. You're a
Speaker 1: strong person. You're standing in your truth. You're saying listen,
Speaker 1: I made some judgments about Taylor. I've changed my mind.
Speaker 1: Now I'm a huge stand I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Songwriting so good, the music is so good, and I
Speaker 2: did think about it. I go, you know, there is
Speaker 2: a bit of sexism because this bitch is prolific. I
Speaker 2: mean the amount of songs she is writing non stop,
Speaker 2: and that we're even questioning whether she's talented or not
Speaker 2: when ed Sheeran gets to just pop around in a flannel.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I mean. I mean in cases,
Speaker 2: wearing a flannel, no offense.
Speaker 1: I think both of us were always saying she's talented.
Speaker 1: I mean we were not saying she's untalented. I think
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, but compared to Gaga, and like
Speaker 1: we shouldn't compare women. I get that, but like we're
Speaker 1: allowed to have our favorites or whatever. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think like the Eras tour, because we talked about
Speaker 1: her pre Eras tour or it had just started, and like,
Speaker 1: I just the fact that she performs for like three
Speaker 1: and a half hours, like multiple times a week, like
Speaker 1: barely stopping is like you said it, You're like, it's
Speaker 1: like an elite athlete, Like it's you know, it's really admirable.
Speaker 2: And well, yeah, in the Gayga documentary, she would come
Speaker 2: out and sit in an ice bath.
Speaker 1: And go, oh, you know, that's a lot of it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work.
Speaker 2: So crazy, but yeah, I'm just so into all of
Speaker 2: it so much right now. Just a lot of the
Speaker 2: songs that I didn't even know about. I'm like even
Speaker 2: old ones. I'm like enchanted, where have I been?
Speaker 1: You know? But it's definitely not all for me. I
Speaker 1: love the more poppy stuff too, Like I'm a weird
Speaker 1: I'm a real we're never getting back together girl? Like.
Speaker 1: I like a lot of stuff from like I think
Speaker 1: Red and that's so funny. That's the one album I
Speaker 1: won't even have on my Oh, I think I those
Speaker 1: annoying me. I like the poppy shit. I do.
Speaker 2: Remember I was dating a guy at the time, and
Speaker 2: I mean, I am ashamed about this because I would
Speaker 2: never eat at Papa John's, even before he came out
Speaker 2: as a lunatic, Like it is a subpar pizza. If
Speaker 2: Papa John's is your number one, I'm telling you get
Speaker 2: some Dominoes and Pizza Hut in your life.
Speaker 4: But anyways, her.
Speaker 2: She was on so he would always get Papa John's,
Speaker 2: and she was always on the cover of the pizza
Speaker 2: boxes for Red, Like I just remember she had a collab,
Speaker 2: but you were like, fuck.
Speaker 1: I don't think she would do that now. I don't
Speaker 1: think she should be on a pizza box. Cover of
Speaker 1: a Papa John's pizza box is hilarious. If anyone has
Speaker 1: a photo, I'm sure we could find a reference on Google.
Speaker 4: And you know what else I saw?
Speaker 2: Do you know that like when she's in the catwalk
Speaker 2: and like she's done underground, she sits on like a
Speaker 2: bob sled type of thing and then it shoots her
Speaker 2: to the top of the stage because there's not enough
Speaker 2: time for her to like walk, it's too big of
Speaker 2: a stage, and so she like lays down flat on
Speaker 2: this thing and then it zooms her as she's laying
Speaker 2: flat to her costume chain.
Speaker 1: Like to the stage. I want to fucking bob sled.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. Yeah, but I was like, what if
Speaker 2: I meet her? What if I Because you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's the SNL connect. That connect is kind of like
Speaker 2: the most celeb heavy because all the celebs love SNL
Speaker 2: and so they're you know, they are like inspired by
Speaker 2: the SNL cast. So that's always that's the degree, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's impressive. They're like writing shit day of
Speaker 2: they're funny, you know, So yeah, I feel like celebs
Speaker 2: love going there, and so that would.
Speaker 4: Be the connect.
Speaker 2: But I already had this fantasy like what well if
Speaker 2: I what if I got to meet her and then
Speaker 2: I told her about the sv podcast and then she
Speaker 2: came on to I we got I was I was gonna.
Speaker 2: I was like, I have to email Casey. I'm like,
Speaker 2: can we retroactively take things out listen? Because do you
Speaker 2: know if she heard one thing, we'd be done. We'd
Speaker 2: be in a song and we'd be done.
Speaker 1: We never say do you think Taylor Swift has time
Speaker 1: to listen to our podcast and to specifically find the
Speaker 1: episode where we maybe said something not support.
Speaker 4: I'm I know she's busy.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes because now I've been watching YouTube
Speaker 2: videos of ten minutes of Taylor being herself. Right, So
Speaker 2: I watched a bunch of these compilations, and she watches
Speaker 2: a lot of us. She watches Law and Order and Dateline.
Speaker 2: Dateline is like her favorite. Like she's a crime person
Speaker 2: and she listens to other crime podcasts.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I think you should open with talking
Speaker 1: about our podcast, and then you know, if that conversation happens,
Speaker 1: we delete that episode. No, I would be like Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: You know our listeners make us friendship bracelets that are
Speaker 2: SVU themed. I gotta give you one, and I'll always
Speaker 2: just have them ready now, like.
Speaker 1: Just you walking, you gotta have five of ourselves in
Speaker 1: your pocket at all times.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm performing in Kansas City next June. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see get her there there, get her there.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go to Europe to go see her
Speaker 2: because she's doing London two sets, five times. But she's
Speaker 2: gonna be in Toronto. I think I'm going to try
Speaker 2: to do that instead.
Speaker 1: Yo. Also, I was so bummed we didn't get to
Speaker 1: spend more time in Toronto because I was just talking
Speaker 1: to our friend Allison, who said it's the best and
Speaker 1: like was there for five days and said the shopping
Speaker 1: is so good and we didn't even get to see anyone.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not even at the shopping.
Speaker 2: Allison was posting the food she was eating, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and it looked so good. I mean, I've been in
Speaker 2: Toronto a few times, but she's like such a foodie
Speaker 2: and the food that she posted.
Speaker 1: I gotta get her there. We got to get back
Speaker 1: there and spend more time.
Speaker 2: But listen, remember the cookies that we were gifted the Nibs,
Speaker 2: Creg's was it Craig's, Craig's cookies.
Speaker 4: We liked Greg's cookies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the Nibs, Yeah, the Twizzlers, Nibs's ass with
Speaker 1: all of you.
Speaker 4: And we're on the We are back on the road.
Speaker 4: Is that what we're about to say?
Speaker 1: Yes, I was about to say. What I was gonna
Speaker 1: say is if you like seeing a woman do three
Speaker 1: and a half hours of NonStop songs on a tour,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love two women sitting at a table doing
Speaker 1: two hours of SVU commentary. And that's us. We're on
Speaker 1: the road, finishing up the twenty twenty three tour. Guys,
Speaker 1: todaight today. This episode comes out on the twelfth tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're in Sacramento. We have the best time in Sacramento
Speaker 1: last time we came. Please come out, come see us again.
Speaker 1: We're doing obviously, we're doing a new episode. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be the same, new games, new commentary, new outfits,
Speaker 1: you know, So come see us. New York. The six
Speaker 1: o'clock show is officially sold out at City Winery, but
Speaker 1: the nine o'clock show still has tickets. Come see us
Speaker 1: it's the holiday season. I want to like pound eggnog
Speaker 1: and party with you guys. Let's do it. And then
Speaker 1: on the seventeenth we're in Philadelphia and that was the
Speaker 1: best last year too, So come back to Philly and
Speaker 1: see us, and then we well, I guess we really
Speaker 1: wrap it up on the seventh of January in Seattle
Speaker 1: at the Wet City Comedy Fest. And originally when we
Speaker 1: posted about this, you had to buy like a day pass,
Speaker 1: and I think that might have deterred people because you
Speaker 1: had to buy a day pass to see all the comedy.
Speaker 1: The new link is up at That's messed up live
Speaker 1: dot com of where you can just buy a ticket
Speaker 1: to just see us. We're doing a show in Seattle
Speaker 1: that Sunday, the seventh aug six, doing stand up go
Speaker 1: see her. So if you're gonna see Lisa and us,
Speaker 1: it might make sense to buy the past. But if
Speaker 1: you're like coming to see us, there's a separate ticket link,
Speaker 1: but go see both of us.
Speaker 2: I'm also I'm gonna we'll see hopefully i'll post about
Speaker 2: it this week, but I'm gonna be in Boston at
Speaker 2: the Crystal Ballroom, which is you know where Karen and
Speaker 2: I both were, but it's like a bigger venue. So
Speaker 2: come on and see me, and I'll be back in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, I think at the end of January, so
Speaker 2: that'll be like a chilly fun time and a bunch
Speaker 2: of other things. Back in Chicago in March. Whatever I'll be,
Speaker 2: I'll be on the road, baby.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm on.
Speaker 1: I'm on.
Speaker 2: Craig's Cookies. They have Ferrero Rochet cookies. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: That's are you fucking kidding me? That's my favorite, Mini eggs.
Speaker 1: They have many cookies they don't They don't ship outside
Speaker 1: of Canada, pop Tart cookies, York Peppermint patty, are you ah.
Speaker 4: No, they don't.
Speaker 1: If you're in Toronto between now and New York and
Speaker 1: you're coming to our New York show, you're coming to
Speaker 1: our Philly show, please get bring us some Ferrera Roche
Speaker 1: or Mini Eggs cookies and we will pay you back.
Speaker 1: I really want that. If they don't shift to America.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I went to I was performing in
Speaker 2: Winnipeg when Black Panther came out, So I went to
Speaker 2: go see it by myself, and I got the kids
Speaker 2: pack and the kids pack came with mini eggs. You
Speaker 2: can get mini eggs at a movie theater in Canada.
Speaker 1: I love that. And you know, mini eggs are a
Speaker 1: year round now because they do an autumn mix and
Speaker 1: they do a Christmas mix.
Speaker 2: They they crumbled to the pressure because what I always
Speaker 2: respected about them was they weren't even after the holiday sale,
Speaker 2: like they were taken off the shelves. But I think
Speaker 2: we were just too ravenous. Yeah, you know, just too intent.
Speaker 1: No, everyone just wants they're all after the profits now
Speaker 1: in the candy world. But come see us live, that's
Speaker 1: messed up. Live dot com is where all of our
Speaker 1: dates are. And then yeah, message us and let us
Speaker 1: know where you want to see us in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: If there's places we haven't been or places you want
Speaker 1: us to come back to, let us know. We obviously
Speaker 1: want to get across the pond to the UK. We're dying,
Speaker 1: So tell your friends let's build up our listenership there
Speaker 1: and so that we can't we can undeniably buy a
Speaker 1: ticket across the Atlanta the Atlantic Ocean and.
Speaker 2: See I read I saw something online that the Pacific
Speaker 2: Ocean is more dangerous to fly over than the Atlantic
Speaker 2: or something like I saw something that said, Okay, we
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta start.
Speaker 4: We gotta start.
Speaker 1: Casey has abandoned the flag and has shown us a
Speaker 1: picture of a crying face to let us know how
Speaker 1: over our time we are. That makes sense though, because
Speaker 1: the Pacific's much bigger, isn't it. Yeah. They were like
Speaker 1: the most dangerous flight you can take, and it was
Speaker 1: something to Australia, and I was like, I've taken that flight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've done it.
Speaker 2: But I guess people don't like to fly over the Pacific,
Speaker 2: which I didn't really know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the times, I feel like, you see
Speaker 1: the ones that go down without a trace, it's the Pacific.
Speaker 1: But you know, my brother's in Japan right now, so
Speaker 1: let's wish them all luck. Let's get started, guys. We
Speaker 1: have an awesome episode for you today. Let's go today.
Speaker 2: We will be doing a Misunderstanding, Season seventeen, episode twelve,
Speaker 2: So that's thrilling. We're in therapy, that's where we're opening.
Speaker 2: Benson's talking about someone named Richard with a ruptured spleen
Speaker 2: and internal bleeding and then a test and the therapist
Speaker 2: interjects and is like, wait, the teenager was raped.
Speaker 4: She confirms that it's going to be a long road
Speaker 4: for this team.
Speaker 2: But also the Joe, the ringleader of this attack with
Speaker 2: his girlfriend, we're both serially abused as children.
Speaker 4: So I was like, what the fuck's going on?
Speaker 2: What they're talking about is the crime from last episode,
Speaker 2: just one episode prior we will be doing it.
Speaker 4: We're holding out for a guest. So that is what happened.
Speaker 2: And so it's called the Townhouse incident, and it's a
Speaker 2: home hostage situation and Benson gets stuck inside. Done done
Speaker 2: the townhouse, Okay.
Speaker 1: So she's telling her.
Speaker 2: Therapists about the experience because she was held hostage in
Speaker 2: there and it was like a fucking it. It's an
Speaker 2: insane episode, honestly, and he had brain damage, the ringleader
Speaker 2: of the crime. So it's an endless cycle of abuse.
Speaker 2: And the therapist is like, well, why don't you just stop?
Speaker 2: What would happen if you stop? And she says I
Speaker 2: can't and he's like, yeah, you, but you just said
Speaker 2: it's endless, and so like just stop, Like, I hate
Speaker 2: this is the worst advice I've ever gotton. But she says,
Speaker 2: I have hope and classics. She's like I'm fine. I
Speaker 2: wasn't even shot. I wasn't actually shot, so maybe a
Speaker 2: bullet grazed her.
Speaker 4: And she feels okay with.
Speaker 2: It, and he's like, okay, how about nightmares and flashbacks
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, yeah, duh, but that's nothing new,
Speaker 2: and so he changes the subjects and asks about Noah
Speaker 2: and she says she can be let him out of
Speaker 2: her sight.
Speaker 4: It's all she could think about. It's all about Noah.
Speaker 2: And he keeps trying to make her quit, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to quit, and he's like, what no
Speaker 2: one else can do what you do, and she goes,
Speaker 2: I am back because I am ready to be back,
Speaker 2: and you need to fucking sign off on that. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure he listens to Texas Benson and we cut
Speaker 2: to a high school hallway of students zipping around, the
Speaker 2: lockers being shut, and then there's a girl and a
Speaker 2: gay across the hallway making eyes at each other. I
Speaker 2: think it's a guy, and I think my my Google
Speaker 2: box changed it to gay.
Speaker 1: I think he is loving her outfit and he is
Speaker 1: letting her know with his eyes. The girl in the
Speaker 1: gay making eyes at each other. Oh yeah, maybe he's by,
Speaker 1: But what we know is it's it's a guy.
Speaker 2: They are sexual looks. They are sexual looks. Her name
Speaker 2: is Abby. She has brown hair and a headband, and
Speaker 2: I think headband means you're a loser.
Speaker 4: And then her friend, I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 2: A slut because she has very heavy makeup on and
Speaker 2: like like rouged lips, like truly like an eighteen hundred's madam,
Speaker 2: Like it's very intense makeup for a young team.
Speaker 1: And did you recognize that this girl Abby was in
Speaker 1: the episode Underbelly where like she runs away from home
Speaker 1: and then she becomes friends with this pimp and he's
Speaker 1: obviously trafficking her, and then but she keeps being like, no,
Speaker 1: but I love him, and like Danny Beck's trying to
Speaker 1: get her away from him, and she keeps like running
Speaker 1: back to her pimp boyfriend who's like abusive to her.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I don't remember that one in particular,
Speaker 2: But last night I was watching a ton of season thirteen,
Speaker 2: and there's a similar story with Dominic Formosa's like the
Speaker 2: parent and he comes to get her girl, and she's like,
Speaker 2: my pimp loves me, so it they do go back,
Speaker 2: you know, they they have to hit the points again.
Speaker 1: I think they try to show the complexities of like
Speaker 1: trafficking and like how girls get into the situations, because
Speaker 1: I think so many people think trafficking, as we've discussed
Speaker 1: on this podcast, is like you're walking along the road
Speaker 1: eating an ice cream cone with your friends and a
Speaker 1: van picks you up and throws you in there and
Speaker 1: like you're suddenly being turned out, you know, But it's
Speaker 1: that it's like a lot of times it's like, no,
Speaker 1: he makes me feel like I'm his girlfriend, and then
Speaker 1: it's like he's sharing me with his friends suddenly, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly I'm working for him as a full time
Speaker 1: sex worker, but not a sex worker who's doing it
Speaker 1: on her own volition, like a child trafficked sex worker.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting they do hit it a lot on
Speaker 1: the show. But anyway, go on headband equals loser.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because like I said, I was watching season
Speaker 2: thirteen and then I watched Theater Tricks. You know, an
Speaker 2: actress is raped on stage and it's like who did it?
Speaker 2: And it was like a third party not included in
Speaker 2: the emails, and that reminded me of that episode we
Speaker 2: did with the monster. Oh yes, you know, like they
Speaker 2: do every few years. There is kind of the touchstones,
Speaker 2: and but then sometimes it switches. Sometimes it's like, well,
Speaker 2: he was sleeping, so it doesn't count. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: they're like he was drugged and blacked out, but he
Speaker 2: needs to.
Speaker 4: Serve his time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's funny where it's like it kind
Speaker 2: of is a twist, but we love you, s for you.
Speaker 2: I did not recognize Abby, but good for her playing
Speaker 2: like a young teen for years, because that was Underbelly
Speaker 2: season eight, So that's wild. Yeah, that that's almost ten
Speaker 2: years of acting like a child.
Speaker 4: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so it's the headband in the slut, and
Speaker 2: the slut is like, oh my god, Chris Roberts is
Speaker 2: staring at you, and this Chris Roberts has like a
Speaker 2: Zach Morris hair style, but like a very baby face.
Speaker 2: It's clear he's a child, and this girl can't believe
Speaker 2: the senior is looking at her.
Speaker 4: And the dudes around him are like, you better hit that, bro.
Speaker 1: If you don't, we will unless you want the shot,
Speaker 1: and he's like no, no, sure, totally for sure, and the
Speaker 1: girls run off laughing.
Speaker 4: We're in a cool classroom.
Speaker 2: And the kids are at one giant table like Arthur's Court,
Speaker 2: so we know it's a rich school. And they're talking
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet two houses divided, and I don't think
Speaker 2: that's going to be the first time we hear about
Speaker 2: that reference. Okay, and then a hand with delicate gold
Speaker 2: rings sneaks her cellphone out from under her notebook.
Speaker 4: Chris is texting her.
Speaker 2: He asked her to the Solstice dance, which is really
Speaker 2: funny for a private school to me, to have like
Speaker 2: a moon dance. She is so pumped, and her slutty
Speaker 2: friend sends Chris photos of her of her friend.
Speaker 1: She's like abby pose. And then the parents are taking pictures.
Speaker 1: It's dance time.
Speaker 2: The parents are super supportive and cute, and the slut
Speaker 2: is in a low red cut dress. Low cut red dress,
Speaker 2: which red is that's the international color for slut?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean yeah, your favorite red to a dance. Famously,
Speaker 1: I wore a red wet seal tight dress to my
Speaker 1: uncle's wedding when I was eighteen because I thought that
Speaker 1: I did not know yet that that was the international
Speaker 1: color for sluts.
Speaker 2: Well you know what it actually means. Even more, at
Speaker 2: a wedding. What I just learned this wearing red to
Speaker 2: a wedding means you had sex with the groom. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just learned that. But I guess it's like ex
Speaker 2: girlfriends come wearing red. Oh shit, that is fucking that
Speaker 2: is cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: It's wild, you said, wet seal. There's someone on TikTok this.
Speaker 2: I went down a rabbit hole. She's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know who cares. But she wore a thirty seven dollars
Speaker 2: dress to her wedding from shean wow, but she looked incredible,
Speaker 2: like she but she said it did rip by the
Speaker 2: end of the knight the butt was ripped. But it
Speaker 2: worked out. So anyways, so Chris texts her, are you ah?
Speaker 2: And I don't know what that means? Do you are
Speaker 2: you here? Are you here?
Speaker 1: Are you horny?
Speaker 4: No? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wait look it up to urban Yeah, go to urban
Speaker 1: Go to urban dictionary, baby, because like usually we get yeah,
Speaker 1: are you horny? Are you?
Speaker 4: It is are you horny?
Speaker 1: It's the first result. What does ruh mean? The first
Speaker 1: result is an online slang term that means are you horny?
Speaker 2: Well that makes sense because then her friend in the
Speaker 2: red says, that's good.
Speaker 4: That means he's into you.
Speaker 2: So then the sleept friend continues texting on Abby's phone.
Speaker 2: They're together at this dance party, and he gives her
Speaker 2: a swig off his flask and it's a giant flask,
Speaker 2: Like the whole point of a flask is to be
Speaker 2: secretive and their children at a dance. This flask is
Speaker 2: like you would buy it a country Western like gift.
Speaker 4: It is giant. It is the size of a book.
Speaker 1: You are not.
Speaker 2: It's a novelty. That's the word I couldn't think of.
Speaker 2: Just so big. So they start making out and taking
Speaker 2: sexy pictures of themselves kissing. He does it selfie style,
Speaker 2: but she's loving it. She's loving the attention, giggling. He
Speaker 2: asks her to go downstairs and it doesn't look like
Speaker 2: a school party, it looks like a home, and then
Speaker 2: into a basement like I'm very confused.
Speaker 4: We learned later it's a dark room.
Speaker 2: And I guess the dance is happening on top of
Speaker 2: the photography lab.
Speaker 1: Where are the chaperones? Why isn't it in a gym?
Speaker 1: I'm so confused.
Speaker 2: Well, no dance, like our prom was somewhere else but
Speaker 2: Homecoming and turnabout was in the gym.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still we're at hotels. But but this is
Speaker 1: the Solstice dance. But the gym and my dark room
Speaker 1: were opposite ends of the school. Like, there's just so
Speaker 1: when I both went to public school, so private school
Speaker 1: is like a different breed. I guess they're they're having
Speaker 1: dances in their architecture suite or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: where they're having dances, but you know it's not It just.
Speaker 4: Doesn't look like a school to me.
Speaker 2: But they go downstairs and you know, he's wearing flannel,
Speaker 2: she's got her head band off for the night. They
Speaker 2: aggressively make out and she does ask slow down and
Speaker 2: not down there. He says sorry, She says not so hard,
Speaker 2: and he's like, you're so hot, and she groans and
Speaker 2: is like not into it in any way. She walks
Speaker 2: home from the party and like a white winter coat
Speaker 2: with a fur fur around the hood. And my parents
Speaker 2: would never let me buy a jacket like this. It
Speaker 2: had to cover my butt because to them, having your
Speaker 2: back revealed in the winter is defeats the purpose of.
Speaker 1: A coat, especially in Chicago. I was never allowed to
Speaker 1: have a cute little coat. It had to be giant
Speaker 1: and under my butt. It had to.
Speaker 4: But if you see my winterwear now it makes.
Speaker 1: Sense it had to be under my butt. It's devastating.
Speaker 1: I wanted a cropped little jacket from guests, you know,
Speaker 1: but but your little half it would have been frozen.
Speaker 1: I think your parents were looking out for you. Chicago.
Speaker 1: The cold cuts through your cl it really does.
Speaker 2: But and it's Christmas time because we see in the
Speaker 2: home when she enters, there's a gross tree behind her
Speaker 2: parents and she you know, they ask her what's up.
Speaker 2: She goes, it's fine, and she's she's just tired, and
Speaker 2: she runs upstairs and they're worried, but they think it's
Speaker 2: okay to give their daughter some privacy. Her phone buzzes
Speaker 2: and the text is from Chris and it says great
Speaker 2: time tonight and I'll see you Monday. She just writes K. Now,
Speaker 2: that is aggressive and that means bad. Like the fact
Speaker 2: that this teen did not read into the K is bad.
Speaker 2: Like that is aggressive. And if someone writes that to
Speaker 2: me unless they're older, and then I'm like, they just
Speaker 2: don't know. So then there's a buzz again and Daniella,
Speaker 2: her friend, wants details she slams the phone down in
Speaker 2: a rage, punches her bed, snuggles with a fuzzy sheep
Speaker 2: stuffed animal, and which I think is like a powerful
Speaker 2: move direction wise, like yeah, to show that she's young,
Speaker 2: and she just seems really stressed out. And it goes
Speaker 2: to the credits. So we're back and the cast is
Speaker 2: like the photo. Benson has this stick straight long Bob's
Speaker 2: center part and it's very sexy. So and Rollins is
Speaker 2: having a baby, so she's holding the baby. Now she
Speaker 2: had the baby, and so she's holding the baby and
Speaker 2: there's blooms and Dodd's creasy, Finn and Benson are all
Speaker 2: into seeing the baby and they all start talking about
Speaker 2: Amanda like she's not standing there, and they're like talking
Speaker 2: about different options for maternity leave and she could do
Speaker 2: this or my sister had that and this and that,
Speaker 2: and she just goes shut up, like stop to So
Speaker 2: then Rita Calhoun aka Elizabeth Marvel runs in in a
Speaker 2: rush and you got and she just goes, you got
Speaker 2: a minute, Benson, and then she sees the baby and goes, wow,
Speaker 2: a baby and does not care.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's like great, It's a great fucking line.
Speaker 2: It's just so telling about our and Benson's like, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2: So they go in the office. She's representing a fifteen
Speaker 2: year old freshman. Her name is Abby Stewart and she's
Speaker 2: the victim, and that's on z Olivia. She of course
Speaker 2: assumed that she was defending a teen rapist. She goes,
Speaker 2: what is this penance for representing a serial killer? She goes, damn,
Speaker 2: you're still gonna hold that against me and I and
Speaker 2: Benson says yes. And I looked on the wiki and
Speaker 2: I looked at the list of her clients and I
Speaker 2: couldn't really pinpoint which one it was.
Speaker 1: I think it's Carl Rudnick that makes it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Carl Rudnick from that double episode with the Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Devil's dis sections and the criminal pathology.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what we're talking about here. And then
Speaker 2: Elizabeth doesn't care about like she knows what she does
Speaker 2: for money, she doesn't care. She's just like, listen, my
Speaker 2: good friend from school from her youth, like they went
Speaker 2: to this board like fancy school together. She goes, her
Speaker 2: daughter Abby was raped at a school dance last Friday.
Speaker 2: They went to their local priestinct who told them there's
Speaker 2: no case, and Benson goes, well, that's how they keep
Speaker 2: their rape stat slow. And she's known Abby since birth
Speaker 2: and she's not making this up, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's classmates.
Speaker 4: She willingly went down to make out with him.
Speaker 2: There was consensual foreplay, and Benson goes, none of that matters,
Speaker 2: you know that, Rita, And she sighs, like knowing that
Speaker 2: that's something she would use to help get her rapists off.
Speaker 1: But it's tough. It's a late disclosure and there's no
Speaker 1: rape kit.
Speaker 2: But the maid did see Abby's dress with stain and
Speaker 2: showed it to her mom, and that's come and that's
Speaker 2: how the story got out. And Abby's so introverted, she
Speaker 2: was a virgin and she asks Benson to meet with
Speaker 2: her and she says, of course. So we're at the
Speaker 2: house and the mom to Benson goes, well, Rita says,
Speaker 2: you're the best, and Benson goes yes. But also, this
Speaker 2: case is complicated, and Careesi explains the next steps to
Speaker 2: the parents. We're gonna need statements, we need access to
Speaker 2: Abby's friends and social media, and we need the dress.
Speaker 4: And this is very Lewinsky of it.
Speaker 1: All, why did.
Speaker 2: Lewinsky's friend fuck her over just for clout? Was it
Speaker 2: Linda Tripp that like gave the dress away? Like what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, I mean, like honestly, like I only
Speaker 1: know what I know of this from watching the Beanie
Speaker 1: Feldstein Sarah Paulson, like you know, dramatized version of it.
Speaker 1: But like the way that you that they characterized Linda
Speaker 1: Tripp was that she felt she was a lot more
Speaker 1: important that she was, and she constantly kept getting like
Speaker 1: demoted and moved because people found her annoying. Like and
Speaker 1: so like Monica Lewinsky, that's like this little girl like
Speaker 1: like having sex with like the most powerful man in
Speaker 1: the world, like that like annoyed her. It feels like
Speaker 1: like she thought she was like doing the right thing
Speaker 1: for the presidency, Like she had to like defend what
Speaker 1: was correct, and I think she thought it would make
Speaker 1: her a big She thought being a big whistleblower would
Speaker 1: like make her important, and it honestly got her like
Speaker 1: fully ridiculed, like Saturday Night Live sketches like the worst.
Speaker 1: I mean, like John Goodman played her in a Saturday
Speaker 1: Live sketch, like she did not get a good look
Speaker 1: out of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're talking Washington politics and how to go
Speaker 2: up the ladder, I don't think revealing affairs is the
Speaker 2: way to do it.
Speaker 1: No one really wants that because they're all cheating on
Speaker 1: their wives.
Speaker 2: So like, well, you know what I mean, Like for
Speaker 2: her to be like this will get me in with
Speaker 2: the guys is like really so stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think she she might have thought that,
Speaker 1: like you know, like she might have been a Republican
Speaker 1: and been like, get Bill Clinton out of here. I mean,
Speaker 1: like my parents hated Bill Clinton, you know, and so
Speaker 1: like maybe she was like from that camp and was like,
Speaker 1: get this guy out of here. He's a piece of trash.
Speaker 1: But I think, honestly, when don't you boil it down,
Speaker 1: she did it all for attention?
Speaker 4: Fuck changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Monica's a good friend.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: The other time I remember, come on, r Dress was
Speaker 2: the movie The Sweetest Thing? Is that Something That's important
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 1: No? That movie?
Speaker 2: Really it's Cameron Diaz, Selma Blair and Christina Applegate and
Speaker 2: Camber Diaz has so much come work in her repertoire,
Speaker 2: like the something about Harry. Yes, that's another thing I
Speaker 2: didn't get that as a kid, I had no idea
Speaker 2: what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, why does her hair look so wacky?
Speaker 4: I'm like, what were you doing in there?
Speaker 1: I was a little bit older than you when that.
Speaker 1: I'm always a little bit older than you, but I
Speaker 1: was older than you when that movie came out, So
Speaker 1: I got it. But that's so funny because you were
Speaker 1: probably like me watching Dirty Dancing, like what's happening?
Speaker 2: No, but there's a whole dance number after Somema Blair
Speaker 2: has like jizz on the dress. They all meet it
Speaker 2: at this Chinese restaurant and they sing a song called
Speaker 2: It's Too Big to Fit in Here, like a full
Speaker 2: musical number about a big dick in a Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 2: But some versions the song isn't in it, so you
Speaker 2: have to like find the right version with the song.
Speaker 2: But it is crazy. They're all like doing solos. It's wild.
Speaker 2: That's insane. Oh my gosh, it's a really fun movie.
Speaker 2: We should watch it, Yeah, we should. It's really a
Speaker 2: fun Maybe we know we have a frozen pizza left
Speaker 2: that Casey got us for last Christmas. Maybe we can, Oh,
Speaker 2: we do. She fucking had it with all her family.
Speaker 2: I haven't even had a piez.
Speaker 1: Let's have a little pizza party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or do we watch a horror movie in honor
Speaker 2: of Casey when they first came in?
Speaker 4: Are they still good? Of course it's frozen pizza.
Speaker 1: I guess so. No, they was good, especially like yeah,
Speaker 1: like in the oven where you put it right onto
Speaker 1: the thing so that it's crispy on the bottom, Like
Speaker 1: you don't put it on a pan. You put it
Speaker 1: right onto the grate.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point of having frozen pizza. It's like
Speaker 2: you keep it in there until you're so depressed and
Speaker 2: sad that you make it.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Lisa, he sent three. I just checked
Speaker 1: the other day. There's only one left, so I guess
Speaker 1: we ate two. Sorry, but you'll third one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I thought I only ate one and we had
Speaker 1: two left. But the last one's for you for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, and you have to watch movies that I make
Speaker 2: you watch. Maybe I'll make you watch The Human Centipede
Speaker 2: to punish you.
Speaker 1: No, no, please, Okay, So we got to talk to Abby.
Speaker 4: We're back.
Speaker 2: We went on a com dress tangent. We brought up
Speaker 2: the pizzas and.
Speaker 1: Now we're back and we have to talk to Abby without.
Speaker 2: The parents, and Rita is like, yeah, we're all aware.
Speaker 2: And so we're in the girl room and let's just
Speaker 2: say the housekeeper is dressed in chill clothing, which means
Speaker 2: this is some old money shit.
Speaker 4: Okay, she's wearing jeans and a little blue top.
Speaker 2: Abby explains she's known Chris for years and they're in
Speaker 2: drama club together, but not really friends, like he didn't
Speaker 2: notice her until a couple of weeks ago and started
Speaker 2: texting her, and she said it was flirty for sure.
Speaker 2: And Rita interrojects, we have the texts, and Abby says
Speaker 2: she sees him in school and they've communicated and say hi,
Speaker 2: but she she didn't know what else to do, and
Speaker 2: she's wiping away tears. The parents are with Careesy downstairs.
Speaker 2: The mom knew something was wrong because usually she comes
Speaker 2: home and wants to talk after going out, but she
Speaker 2: went straight to her room and Pillar is the savior
Speaker 2: who found the dress, and she's such a whore she
Speaker 2: knew immediately what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love like kids have stains on their clothes
Speaker 1: all the time. Pilar's like, this has come, Like this
Speaker 1: is fucking come.
Speaker 4: And after the mom asks about the dress.
Speaker 2: She shared what happened, and it cuts back to abby
Speaker 2: they were making. He asked to go somewhere private, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I liked him and I wanted him to
Speaker 2: like me. And Rita in a way we've never seen before,
Speaker 2: is like, that's normal. You can want to kiss a boy,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you want more. So he took her
Speaker 2: to the school darkroom, and that's where people go to
Speaker 2: hook up. So I guess people just go to this
Speaker 2: dark room to hook up in school hours, like this
Speaker 2: school is wild, and he puts his hands under her dress.
Speaker 2: She said she got nervous, and Benson's like, what did
Speaker 2: you say? Did you say stop? She goes yes, and
Speaker 2: he didn't listen, and he pushed me against a wall
Speaker 2: and she felt him get excited and pulled down her
Speaker 2: underwear but so use his fingers, but he was so young.
Speaker 2: He tried to rape her and was grinding on her
Speaker 2: and she couldn't move or speak, So I guess she
Speaker 2: didn't say no, but she certainly didn't say yes, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't really getting in and he kept saying she
Speaker 2: was so hot, and then he came on her dress,
Speaker 2: so she doesn't understand why Chris would do that to her.
Speaker 4: So we have to go talk to Chris. And he's
Speaker 4: old money too.
Speaker 2: There's big leather chairs, there's a library, and he says,
Speaker 2: I mean, we visited one of your friends mom homes
Speaker 2: in Boston, and let me tell you that little library
Speaker 2: with leather chairs they had.
Speaker 4: That was a dream. That was a dream.
Speaker 1: I well that that family is connected to the true crime.
Speaker 1: They'll come up later, this true crime. Are you kidding me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not not directly connected, but I'll let you know.
Speaker 4: What are the chances that I would bring them up.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I this this house has so many sitting areas,
Speaker 2: but the leather. I just I think I want an
Speaker 2: old timey library with leather chairs, I really do. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna match the rest of my dream home in
Speaker 2: my mind, but yeah, it's gonna have.
Speaker 1: A little dark corner, a little like chowchkeys, a corn stool,
Speaker 1: like cool, all this cool like modern shit. And then
Speaker 1: it's like this old ass leather book reading room. I agree.
Speaker 2: It's just like sexy to me, Like I just love
Speaker 2: the idea of curling up in a big leather, dark chair.
Speaker 4: Those green lamps and like, I just like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm sure it's SVU influenced, to
Speaker 2: be honest. So he says her and Abby are friends
Speaker 2: and they went to the dance together, and Dods and
Speaker 2: Finn are like, so, tell us what happened. And the
Speaker 2: mom is like, well, what exactly is she saying that happen?
Speaker 2: And this bitch you're gonna hate throughout the whole episode,
Speaker 2: like she is what is wrong with like womanhood in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 4: Like this character, this mom.
Speaker 2: So they're like, we want to hear your son's side,
Speaker 2: And there's a white haired dad with a tie and
Speaker 2: he goes sides he hasn't done anything wrong, and it's
Speaker 2: like you don't even fucking know.
Speaker 1: You don't know he.
Speaker 2: Could have truly buried a body and evidence everywhere, Like
Speaker 2: you have no idea?
Speaker 4: Why are you slightly saying he did nothing wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this like hashtag boy mom, like my son
Speaker 1: can do no wrong. Shit where It's like, I know
Speaker 1: my son didn't do anything wrong. It's like, have you
Speaker 1: ever sat down and had a conversation with your son
Speaker 1: about consent? Because I bet you you definitely haven't, Like
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, But I just know in
Speaker 1: my heart of hearts, there's no way he did anything wrong. Like,
Speaker 1: how do you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like your husband's an asshole. What makes you
Speaker 4: think your son's not gonna be a dick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a good person. I've shoplifted, I've done, I've
Speaker 1: done you know, like I've done bad things. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a bad person.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the detectives are like, well, there's no harm in
Speaker 2: telling us about it. Then if he's done nothing wrong,
Speaker 2: So he talks. He says him and Abby were dancing,
Speaker 2: they made out a little and she was into it,
Speaker 2: and Finn goes anything else. He brings up the dark room,
Speaker 2: which is code for and he won't even say it,
Speaker 2: but they were fooling around, and it's like, if you
Speaker 2: can't even say out loud that it's like a room
Speaker 2: for fucking, maybe you shouldn't be fucking. Detectives say that
Speaker 2: something happened that she did not want to happen. Then
Speaker 2: the mom is like, wait, is this girl making a
Speaker 2: rape allegation?
Speaker 4: And he is like that is so not true. We
Speaker 4: didn't even have sex.
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, well, then give us a DNA
Speaker 2: sample and the dad gets so fucking cocky and says,
Speaker 2: do you have a warrant? And Finn takes it out
Speaker 2: of his pocket. Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4: I mean I that was the best. The mom's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, fuck.
Speaker 2: And then it's hitting them that this is real, like real,
Speaker 2: and the dad said, you should have told us. We're
Speaker 2: calling a lawyer, and the boys like, nothing happen, and ma,
Speaker 2: the mom is like, like, Kara said, such a boy.
Speaker 2: Mom and says, I know how girls are. And she
Speaker 2: overheard her daughter and her friends talking about how they
Speaker 2: would accuse a boy of rape if he didn't call
Speaker 2: them back. And it's like, well, if your daughter is
Speaker 2: such a shitty person, why do you think your son isn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't get it. You obviously aren't doing
Speaker 1: a good job raising your children. Dodds, I'll tea then.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm not like a I'm not like as
Speaker 1: young maybe as the kids in this, but like, I've
Speaker 1: never in my life had that conversation with someone. I've
Speaker 1: never heard somebody be like I'm just gonna cry rape
Speaker 1: and see what happened, you know, like never in my life. Never.
Speaker 4: Dodds doesn't bite.
Speaker 2: He says, well, we have a worm for the DNA,
Speaker 2: so let's start there and then we can take them
Speaker 2: down to the station if you want, Like, what's your call?
Speaker 4: The boy starts to finally look worried.
Speaker 2: Benson is in a powder blue jacket and is like,
Speaker 2: fill me in, guys, and we're at the priestinct. Dodds
Speaker 2: is like he's privileged but not arrogant, and obviously baby
Speaker 2: Dodds has been on the podcast We Love Andy Carl.
Speaker 2: The eyebrows are crazy, they are they are silly eyebrows.
Speaker 4: And I can't look at anything else.
Speaker 2: And then his dad is the opposite style of brow,
Speaker 2: like this guy is very early two thousands.
Speaker 4: I've overplucked.
Speaker 1: And then the dad is like, I have five sets
Speaker 1: of eyebrows per eyebrow, and I don't know how they're
Speaker 1: in one family, and we're all rebelling against our parents
Speaker 1: in some way, right, Yeah, that's how he was, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna have bushy brows like
Speaker 1: Sandy Cohen. I'm gonna fucking weed these babies.
Speaker 2: So this boy has no record and he's waiting on
Speaker 2: early decision from Stanford and seems genuinely surprised. By the allegation,
Speaker 2: so it's a walk and talk formation. Benson says, well,
Speaker 2: sounds like a classic teen he said. She said, Dodds
Speaker 2: is like, are more like his parent versus her parents?
Speaker 4: Honestly.
Speaker 2: Benson gets a ping on her cellphone and he's like, wait,
Speaker 2: he put himself in the dark room with her, and
Speaker 2: they're like, yes, but said nothing really happened besides petting,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, well, he's lying.
Speaker 4: The jis is a match for Chris. That's what the
Speaker 4: phone was. The Jesus is a match.
Speaker 1: Put it on a T shirt.
Speaker 2: DoD still defends him, and then Cariese says, well, Chris
Speaker 2: posted photos on his social media with the hashtat picked
Speaker 2: that Cherry gross with a pick of them kissing, and
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's fronting on socials or did it happen?
Speaker 2: And the picks also look like she's not complaining, So
Speaker 2: all in all, it's messy for everybody. Benson wants to
Speaker 2: bring them all in violins play and we open on
Speaker 2: Benson near the vending machine with Rita Calhoun, who's like, hey, babe,
Speaker 2: heard there was a semen match. Arrest him, and Benson asks,
Speaker 2: where did you hear that from and she goes, I didn't,
Speaker 2: but you just confirmed it, Like Rita, I would hire her.
Speaker 2: I think I always changed my answer. But I think
Speaker 2: I'm hiring her. I think I'm hiring her. If I
Speaker 2: did it, I'm hiring her. On She's the best in
Speaker 2: the business to trick Benson like that, Like that's incredible.
Speaker 2: Benson's a noise and it's like, come on, Rita, you
Speaker 2: know you don't have all an all access pass here.
Speaker 2: And then Barba's here and he's waiting for Benson and
Speaker 2: he sees Rita and is like, oh, you're defending a
Speaker 2: little rape boy.
Speaker 4: And she's like, no, the girl.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, you take money from both sides.
Speaker 2: He says, never change, and I like love that, And
Speaker 2: she has a smirto like she likes that.
Speaker 4: And Barbara reminds.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, should we like start Barbara Marvel, I
Speaker 1: mean Barbara Calhoun? Should we start like Barhoon? Fan fiction
Speaker 1: like goes two getting together, just like Buck Powerhouse, Like
Speaker 1: they fight against each other in the courthouse and they
Speaker 1: go home and bang it out.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I bet I honestly, I'm seeing it.
Speaker 4: I needed a minute. But now I'm seeing it.
Speaker 2: They would have they would like be putting each other
Speaker 2: down intellectually the whole time too, maybe in a leather chair.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of you have been making us
Speaker 2: friendship bracelets and I'm obsessed. And someone gave me a
Speaker 2: LOOKI lou one both of us.
Speaker 1: And I went, oh my god, how did you know?
Speaker 1: This is amazing? And she's like, you begged for it
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I got it, got it.
Speaker 4: But I'm wearing it right now.
Speaker 1: I love them, and I have a shout out to
Speaker 1: where Toronto is where we got a big bunch of them.
Speaker 2: Right well, there was a girl who made one hundred
Speaker 2: and three bracelets, so then she ended up giving it
Speaker 2: to a lot of people sitting next to her too,
Speaker 2: So it was really in the spirit of Taylor and
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: And the one of my favorites is ones that says
Speaker 1: Mother's Juice, which if you will recall, is from our
Speaker 1: very first episode Bully, and is such a deep cut
Speaker 1: and so genius, Like I need some of you to
Speaker 1: be in the room when we're trying to come up
Speaker 1: with merch ideas, because you're all very smart and funny, but.
Speaker 2: You pay attention to detail well, because you remember more
Speaker 2: because you're listening because a lot like sometimes people will
Speaker 2: be like, oh and then you said this, and I'm
Speaker 2: like when where Yeah, I have what was the contak
Speaker 2: so much on a given week?
Speaker 1: It really is so much. So Barbara, bar oh my god,
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: So Barbara reminds her, oh my god. And we have
Speaker 2: to mention the Minneapolis T shirts where it said Barbara
Speaker 2: or Barbara with an art crossed out and then below
Speaker 2: it said Stabler with a bee crossed out with a
Speaker 2: P next to it. So it was like, Barbara, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the creativity, I I it's just incredible. So I mean,
Speaker 2: do we mention the wildest thing that we got. It
Speaker 2: was a paper a brown paper evidence bag in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: You open it, there's a white little rag.
Speaker 1: You open it, it is a bowl for weed that
Speaker 1: is ceramic shaped like a pinky for Martha plimpton sister's
Speaker 1: pinky yes from the episode Denial where she's carrying around
Speaker 1: her little sister's pink finger in her bag.
Speaker 2: And then you check the evidence bag and the information
Speaker 2: is all fully written out like the victims everything.
Speaker 1: And she made me a mug that was a dick
Speaker 1: and a wolf and a baby. Because Lisa got to
Speaker 1: keep the finger bowl, so I got the cool mug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got the thing.
Speaker 1: The girl poked out of that finger bowl and it
Speaker 1: works great.
Speaker 2: It saved our lives because in Salt Lake City someone
Speaker 2: gave us weed. I ran out of all my joints,
Speaker 2: and I'm always trying to actively quit, so I'm always like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'll finish, I'll finish the joint. I'll be fine. And
Speaker 2: then I get so stressed. And we only had like
Speaker 2: weed with no bowl. And then this pinky bowl came
Speaker 2: into our lives and it's like we are witches, we manifest.
Speaker 2: There's actually a tailor thing now where they call her
Speaker 2: a sorcerer and like because in Argentina she was singing
Speaker 2: and then a lyric about a plane and then a
Speaker 2: plane truly went.
Speaker 1: By wow, and she wrote a plane in the sky
Speaker 1: as you're singing the lyric that is wild, Like you
Speaker 1: should watch it, you should watch it.
Speaker 4: Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm the mark. I don't give a shit. I called
Speaker 2: her our, you know, my best friend. I was like,
Speaker 2: she goes, whatever you doing. I'm like, honestly just fantasizing
Speaker 2: about like Travis and Taylor. I can't think about anything else.
Speaker 2: My life is a mess. It's taken over. And she goes,
Speaker 2: it's not real and you're an idiot, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't I'd rather be an idiot. She goes, I
Speaker 2: could care less about this, and then she said, oh yay,
Speaker 2: I got all my cool, all my fans are now
Speaker 2: spending all their money on football.
Speaker 4: That's where it should go.
Speaker 2: Gurlees by Chief Skier and then like the name of
Speaker 2: the team is so fucked too, It's like.
Speaker 1: It could be all fake.
Speaker 2: I mean the concert, like it's all I've I'm this
Speaker 2: is old, this is coming out.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: So Barbara reminds her like, babe, you know you can't
Speaker 2: be privy to this info at either. That was a stutter,
Speaker 2: and so then Buchanan walks in, oh god, these are
Speaker 2: some heavy hitters.
Speaker 4: Going up like this is not good.
Speaker 2: He's defending the boy and he's like, oh, rita, baby girl,
Speaker 2: I'm alone this time. It was really fun working with
Speaker 2: you last time. And she goes, no, I'm actually just
Speaker 2: with the girl, and he goes, E gross victim advocacy
Speaker 2: that can't pay well, and she goes it's pro bo.
Speaker 1: No, not all of us have to worry about our
Speaker 1: next meal. And then she looks him up and down.
Speaker 1: Definitely a fat shame, I know, but he deserves it.
Speaker 1: And that was hot. That was fun. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's like so real housewives. And Barba's like, wow,
Speaker 2: getting personal. I love it. Benson says, Rita was just leaving,
Speaker 2: and then Rita's like, I'll be down the block. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting for you, and Buchanan goes, don't worry, this won't
Speaker 2: take long. Twenty minutes in and you will realize you
Speaker 2: have no case, and he skips off. So the whole
Speaker 2: family is in the cement room bars with Buchanan, who's like, listen, guys,
Speaker 2: he is not experienced and he just early, so nothing
Speaker 2: happened and they're like, well, not according to Instagram, and
Speaker 2: the dad goes, well, he was just trying to impress
Speaker 2: his friends. And all the adults are talking and the
Speaker 2: teen boys against the wall like in a music video,
Speaker 2: very in sync, like he's just really pining, and they're like, listen, boy,
Speaker 2: why would she accuse you of rape? And Buchanan's like, well,
Speaker 2: why would he know that? And the mom goes, the
Speaker 2: girl is obviously lying, and Finn is like, well, why
Speaker 2: don't we let Chris talk, and Buchanan goes, I'm here
Speaker 2: to talk for him, thank you very much. Chris is
Speaker 2: shocked and him and Abby are friends, and he pops
Speaker 2: out with his phone and says, look, Abby still thinks
Speaker 2: we are And there are text messages that are damning.
Speaker 2: She legit wrote. I don't know why this is happening.
Speaker 2: I like you, I hope you're not mad at me.
Speaker 2: See she's fine. So the spy room crew is like,
Speaker 2: this is not good. So Barbara runs off and says,
Speaker 2: call your friend.
Speaker 4: Calhoun.
Speaker 2: Benson's like, I mean, she's not my friend. You know,
Speaker 2: they're also professional. I guess that's why I like all
Speaker 2: this shade and ribbing. It's like, you know, it makes
Speaker 2: them more human, like they actually are people that are
Speaker 2: working together all the time. And so the Chris crew
Speaker 2: is well, and this is oh yeah, never mind. So
Speaker 2: the Chris crew is walking outside the station steps and
Speaker 2: the mom chuckles and says, damn. I never thought i'd
Speaker 2: say thank God for texting, And the dad is like,
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to send that girl's family my legal bill
Speaker 2: and Barbara walks in and has words with Buchanan, and
Speaker 2: he says, I assume this is the last we'll be
Speaker 2: talking on this manner, and Barba says, like, just we
Speaker 2: will be in touch, and Buchanan smiles. Rita's they're waiting
Speaker 2: for him, and Barba's like, Babe, we have a problem.
Speaker 2: She's like, nuhuh, we're on and it's nothing that hasn't
Speaker 2: happened before. And Barba's like, yes, but if you were
Speaker 2: that boy's attorney, you would be ripping her to shreds.
Speaker 4: And they argue about the.
Speaker 2: Text and her disposition and go back and forth, like
Speaker 2: she answered the text and she did not start any
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 4: And it's because like what do you do? Do you unfriend?
Speaker 4: Do you block?
Speaker 2: Like there's school, there's a lot of layers, and like
Speaker 2: I hate that we ignore all the nuanced and all
Speaker 2: the stuff in your brain when something traumatic happens to
Speaker 2: you and use it against the person.
Speaker 4: And it really bothers me.
Speaker 2: And I really love what they said in the cement
Speaker 2: room where it was like, well, why do you think
Speaker 2: she thinks she was raped them?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you are like if everything was like peachy, like
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And Barbara like, I don't want to say that this
Speaker 1: kid should get away with anything, but it didn't really
Speaker 1: feel like anybody spoke to the daughter about like is
Speaker 1: this what you want to do? Do you want to
Speaker 1: like take this to court? Do you want because when
Speaker 1: she's saying something like to him, I don't know why
Speaker 1: this is happening. I feel like it's because she feels
Speaker 1: like her parents and the other parents have just sort
Speaker 1: of like swept up and taken over this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it's just happened so fast she hasn't had time
Speaker 1: to process, and like a ton of victims, you mean,
Speaker 1: like the Romeo and Juliet's families. Oh interesting. Barbara's like
Speaker 1: I get it. But the jury and she's like, he
Speaker 1: fucking raped her. And then it's like, have you talked
Speaker 1: to any of her friends or anyone else at the dance?
Speaker 1: So finally they talked to the classmates. It's really wild
Speaker 1: they haven't before.
Speaker 2: So they go to the slut and she's like, everyone
Speaker 2: knows the dark room is where you have sex. Once
Speaker 2: you go down there, you can't change your mind. And
Speaker 2: this is like the mom at a younger age, like
Speaker 2: they're the same person. Yeah, and Caresee's there to be like,
Speaker 2: actually you can Daniella at any time, and she's like,
Speaker 2: well maybe, but Abby didn't. And she's like are you
Speaker 2: obsessed with Chris? Like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: So Carisy asked, do you think she's lying? And she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but she could just be mad that
Speaker 2: Chris didn't ask her out. Again, Finn and Dodds are on.
Speaker 1: The football field and all the football.
Speaker 2: Players think this is unfair and that she was asking
Speaker 2: for it, and he doesn't want to bad mouth her,
Speaker 2: but she's just trying to get attention. One of the
Speaker 2: footballers walk away, but they follow like why are you
Speaker 2: walking away?
Speaker 4: Did you go down there too?
Speaker 2: And Dodds is like, you know, she's only fifteen and
Speaker 2: you're eighteen, and he's like, whoa, I did not touch her,
Speaker 2: and Dodds goes, but Chris did, so tell us what
Speaker 2: you know or we're calling your parents, and then Finn
Speaker 2: threatens to call Notre Dame and so he agrees to talk.
Speaker 4: Chris needed a name on his list.
Speaker 1: What list?
Speaker 2: So there's a secret society of seniors and it's a
Speaker 2: Latin name but translated it's called the Cherry Pickers Club
Speaker 2: and it's a competition to see how many virgins you
Speaker 2: can bang. And everyone had a name on the list
Speaker 2: except for Chris. And that's the thing. And like this
Speaker 2: kind of conversation really happened for me a lot after
Speaker 2: the Azaz article came out years ago, where it's like,
Speaker 2: but that's not and this and that, and it's like, honestly,
Speaker 2: if we're not even thinking rape or not, like just
Speaker 2: this idea alone, and this is the framework you think
Speaker 2: of sex and women and how they're included in the
Speaker 2: conversation of sex is already like rape adjacent, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like your plan is just a mass
Speaker 2: virgins and bang them without any regard for them as
Speaker 2: humans and to trick them into doing so. Like I
Speaker 2: don't understand why that is not unethical, Like why guys
Speaker 2: don't see like that is wrong? Or some of these
Speaker 2: women like Daniella and the blonde mom. I guess they're
Speaker 2: both blonde moms.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean it's yeah, it's toxic masculinity and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, misogyny that's like fully baked in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the girls have it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're not treating women as people at all
Speaker 2: but objects for a thing like your goal, and then
Speaker 2: all these women are having these experiences being like fuck,
Speaker 2: like this sucks, and then when you talk about it,
Speaker 2: it's like no one broke the law, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: but we're.
Speaker 1: Not talking about do you want to talk to your
Speaker 1: son about the fact that he like has a list?
Speaker 1: And like, you know this gets this is so this
Speaker 1: episode is so close to the real case. I really
Speaker 1: can't wait to tell you, Okay, I'll.
Speaker 4: Try to be faster.
Speaker 2: And so because I am, I can't believe I it
Speaker 2: might be like that we know, you know, when you're
Speaker 2: we're connected a little bit. Not that I was happy
Speaker 2: that a mass murderer came through Stokey, but it did feel,
Speaker 2: you know that I got to talk about something I
Speaker 2: remember from my childhood. And it's a competition to see
Speaker 2: how many virgins you can bang. We discussed that, and
Speaker 2: so everyone had a name on the list except for
Speaker 2: Chris Done Done. So it's behind a O'Neal style portrait
Speaker 2: and it's all written in marker and penn straight on
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure the school knows about it too.
Speaker 2: So there's just so much evidence, and Chris only has
Speaker 2: one name listed and it's Abby and it's there, so
Speaker 2: he can't deny anything. So Barbara and Benson are having
Speaker 2: a work session and they're like, damn, he did this
Speaker 2: to get his name on a wall.
Speaker 4: This is so fucked up. And this is also his friend.
Speaker 2: This isn't a stranger, this is someone he says that
Speaker 2: he is friends with. That is how little regard he
Speaker 2: has for her as a human and still believes he's
Speaker 2: done nothing wrong. Chrisy is not using the list as
Speaker 2: evidence since it's out, like it outs to a lot
Speaker 2: of teenagers, and they don't want the list to go public.
Speaker 4: So now they're in fighting.
Speaker 2: They're all disagreeing about like should they should they expose
Speaker 2: the list?
Speaker 4: Should they not?
Speaker 2: And basically they're like, he didn't think he did anything
Speaker 2: wrong when we got there, and Benson's like, he lied
Speaker 2: to your fucking faces and you're stupid, and Dodds leans
Speaker 2: in and says, well, she lied too when we asked
Speaker 2: about her texting him, and so they're both kind of lying,
Speaker 2: and so what do we do now. Benson thinks the
Speaker 2: kid is good for it, but the trial might be hard,
Speaker 2: so maybe let's sit both families down and try to
Speaker 2: figure out a plea. The girl's mom is not into it.
Speaker 2: Barbara wants sexual misconduct, no jail time, but his name's
Speaker 2: on the registry.
Speaker 4: And so while the adults are.
Speaker 2: Discussing it, Abby sneaks down the stairs to listen, and
Speaker 2: the dad says, he raped my daughter and he should
Speaker 2: go to prison, and Barbara goes, we're all upset about
Speaker 2: what happened to Abby, but putting her on the stand
Speaker 2: and going through a trial might not get us the
Speaker 2: conviction we want. And Rita goes, and that's a good point,
Speaker 2: because the press is going to be all over this.
Speaker 2: Abby hops out from spying and goes the press. Everybody
Speaker 2: at school's whispering about me, laughing at me, like my
Speaker 2: life is over. Everyone hates me. I wish I never
Speaker 2: said anything, and she runs up the stairs. The mom
Speaker 2: goes to Barbara and he says sorry as she glares
Speaker 2: at him, and he says, this is all I could do.
Speaker 2: Rita says, we'll take the misconduct, but he better go
Speaker 2: on the registry. So obviously, the boy's parents are like,
Speaker 2: no registry, no deal, no offer, like there's nothing, and
Speaker 2: Barbara goes that's the best deal I can do. Your
Speaker 2: son would avoid publicity and a trial. And the mom
Speaker 2: has a good point that he will be put on
Speaker 2: a list of piles and rapists, So like, I don't
Speaker 2: you know, there's not a she doesn't see a good
Speaker 2: option for her, and then she goes, well what about college?
Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't know what about Abby's college?
Speaker 2: What about Abby's how she's going to be doing because
Speaker 2: she just got raped by someone that she thought was
Speaker 2: a friend and was excited that he liked her, and
Speaker 2: now she has to go her whole life being traumatized
Speaker 2: by this moment. And we're worried about his college cool
Speaker 2: and Buchanan's all about Stanford and also I guess you
Speaker 2: can't have a smartphone and if you're on the registry,
Speaker 2: which I did not know about, and I didn't know
Speaker 2: that would that would complicate life? That was that still
Speaker 2: a thing? I don't think they would make that up.
Speaker 2: But I guess this is from like five six years ago.
Speaker 2: But not like not having maps, not having all these things,
Speaker 2: like that's right, like I'm thinking maps.
Speaker 1: Truly, there are so many things now that like there
Speaker 1: are so many things where it's like you have to
Speaker 1: download the app. It depends on the conditions of your
Speaker 1: probation or supervisor released. Sometimes you are permitted to have
Speaker 1: a cell phone, but you were quite required to install
Speaker 1: monitoring sof so that your agent can be aware if
Speaker 1: you're accessing social networking, pornography, et cetera. That's according to
Speaker 1: this website called AVO.
Speaker 4: Like my very.
Speaker 1: First Google result, Yeah, but why and I think it's
Speaker 1: state to state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that would change your life drastically, and that's
Speaker 2: embarrassing to have to admit, but your life would be
Speaker 2: very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the parents are like, we'd consider endangering the welfare
Speaker 2: of a child, and Barba goes registry or nothing. Buchanan goes,
Speaker 2: come on, we know what this was. It's a misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: Take a drink, take a hit, hit your kid, no JK.
Speaker 1: I was like, what can you do?
Speaker 2: That's not a substance if you're sober, And then for
Speaker 2: some reason that came out of my mouth.
Speaker 4: But I regret it. You know, have a lick of sugar.
Speaker 2: Barba's like, straight up, she is fifteen, so that is
Speaker 2: automatically misconduct. Buchanan brings up Romeo and Juliet exception. Not
Speaker 2: if you forced her. So Buchanan goes, that's just what
Speaker 2: she said after the fact. Well, yeah, you can't say
Speaker 2: it during the fact, like if it's happened, like of
Speaker 2: course you say it after Barbara's overrant is like, whatever,
Speaker 2: I've offered you no prison time If you say no,
Speaker 2: your son is convicted.
Speaker 4: That's what he's looking at.
Speaker 2: And the mom screams, but he didn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 2: and Barba says, Chris, is this what you want to
Speaker 2: go to trial? He's like, fuck, and everyone's gonna know
Speaker 2: who I am. And Barbara goes, as soon as you're
Speaker 2: arrested and charged, your name goes public and any time
Speaker 2: anyone googles you for the rest of your life, this
Speaker 2: is what will come up. The dad says, don't threaten
Speaker 2: my son, and this girl is slandering him and we
Speaker 2: need to fight this. Chris seems stressed, so he asks
Speaker 2: what if he says sorry to Abby and her family
Speaker 2: and the parents scream at him. They're like, you have
Speaker 2: nothing to be sorry for, and this is again a
Speaker 2: great episode about psycho boy moms. So they leave. Christiem's conflicted.
Speaker 2: Buchanan says, we caught onto your bluff and if you
Speaker 2: still want to go to trial, you're gonna fucking regret it.
Speaker 4: So we're in trial.
Speaker 2: He's charged with one count of attempted rape and two
Speaker 2: counts of sexual misconduct forcible touching. Barbara wants bail to
Speaker 2: be a million dollars. Buchanan wants him released, So the
Speaker 2: bail is half a million. Listen, he's uh, he's an abuser,
Speaker 2: but like that's a lot of money. Yeah, Cuz like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: half a million.
Speaker 4: We've seen killers get less than that, right, right.
Speaker 2: Dodds and Benson catch up in the streets and she
Speaker 2: says how it supports the victims to see the detectives
Speaker 2: in the galley. He says about the victim, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I brought it up in front of everybody, like because
Speaker 2: he kept defending the boy. And she says, don't but
Speaker 2: it's not you know, don't be sorry. It's not a problem,
Speaker 2: like you know, and he keeps talking. Benson face looks
Speaker 2: annoyed as hell. He's like, they just both seem like
Speaker 2: really good kids who don't know what happened down there.
Speaker 2: Benson says he might not realize what he did was
Speaker 2: a sexual assault, but Abby did not make this up.
Speaker 2: She is not a manipulative girl, but he's not a predator,
Speaker 2: dodd says, and Benson's like, listen, the trial isn't our call.
Speaker 2: It wasn't and then Dodds brings up the point that
Speaker 2: you did it wasn't.
Speaker 4: There's either.
Speaker 2: So the rape family in Buchanan arrive in court and
Speaker 2: they scoff at the detectives. They put Chris in good
Speaker 2: boy glasses, slipped back hair, and DoD says they made
Speaker 2: him look like Harry Potter and Benson calls it the
Speaker 2: nerd defense.
Speaker 4: So we're in court.
Speaker 2: Barbara is starting off with a remote in hand, going
Speaker 2: through all the texts that was being sent back and forth.
Speaker 2: So the boy texts had a great time, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: and then the text.
Speaker 1: That happened a week later about like I don't want any.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry, don't be mad at me.
Speaker 2: And he turns with this info and Benson's on the stand,
Speaker 2: and so I really like that he's kind of taking
Speaker 2: anything that the defense is going to bring up and
Speaker 2: bringing it up to Benson right now, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like they're hiding anything, and I like that.
Speaker 4: So he says, with all your experience.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this kind of communication before between
Speaker 2: young victims and assailants and she says, yes, it's way
Speaker 2: more common than not. Teenagers have imperfect judgment and to
Speaker 2: be a young naive girl like you don't want to
Speaker 2: be circled out by your peers fear of blowback, and
Speaker 2: you know teens have a lot of feelings. She says yes,
Speaker 2: and Abby is super shy. She has trouble speaking up
Speaker 2: for herself, and like maybe teen predators wouldn't go like.
Speaker 4: After more assertive victims.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, Abby didn't file a police report
Speaker 2: right away? How unusual is that? Benson says, it's not
Speaker 2: unusual at all. It happens all the times. Like they're
Speaker 2: trying to like figure out what happened. And so now
Speaker 2: it's Buchanan's turn. So she says again, how victims wait
Speaker 2: to report to police? And he said, no, she didn't
Speaker 2: wait to talk to police. She waited to talk to you,
Speaker 2: right The local priestinct chose not to pursue because she answers,
Speaker 2: they are not properly trained. That's why we have an
Speaker 2: SVU to begin with, and he goes, yep, were you
Speaker 2: believe people with personality flaws are more likely to be targeted,
Speaker 2: and she's like, that is not what I said. He's like,
Speaker 2: did you not just say that a more assertive girl
Speaker 2: would not have been targeted? Are you blaming the victim?
Speaker 2: And she's like, motherfucker, you are twisting my words. It
Speaker 2: is never the victim's fault. And Buchanan grins and says, wait,
Speaker 2: so there is nothing that an accuser can do that
Speaker 2: would contribute to the situation. If she's texting and going
Speaker 2: to private area and doing foreplay, yeah, so none of
Speaker 2: that matters. But sure, I'll withdraw and sit down. And
Speaker 2: he's really proud of what he's done there, and Barbara
Speaker 2: looks pissed. So now Caresee's on the stand. He's there
Speaker 2: to talk about the secret society that's goal is to
Speaker 2: de flower virgins, the Cherry Pickers Club, And he wrote
Speaker 2: down Abby's names, So how do you say you didn't
Speaker 2: do it when you wrote it and then you bragged
Speaker 2: on social media. So Buchanan's there being like, teens have
Speaker 2: poor judgment. Didn't we agree on that?
Speaker 1: And do we also agree that boy teens lie about
Speaker 1: sexual conquests that aren't true? And Caresee's like, are you
Speaker 1: asking me here if your client is a liar? That
Speaker 1: is good, Like there's a lot of good burns and
Speaker 1: back and forth in this episode. I really love that
Speaker 1: future eighty A. I feel like that's that's where the
Speaker 1: nugget the last. He also plays to the jury so hard.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, they didn't and like looks right
Speaker 1: at the jurors like he's like really driving his points home.
Speaker 2: And then Buchanan's like, come on, you know, I'm asking
Speaker 2: if he he's a teenager who is being pressured to
Speaker 2: claim he's scored, and Crisy is caught and he has
Speaker 2: to say yes. So Barba redirects, when you first talked
Speaker 2: with Chris, did he lie to you? Andchrisye says yep,
Speaker 2: you flat out tonight having any sexual contact with Abby.
Speaker 2: And only when we found and matched his DNA did
Speaker 2: he admit the truth. And Buchanan's like, no, he was
Speaker 2: always maintained it was mutual and consensual, and Barba's like,
Speaker 2: except that he was lying about it. So the judge
Speaker 2: sopranos sister is like, spare us with the grand standing gentleman.
Speaker 2: She says, they both need to calm down and they'll
Speaker 2: resume after lunch, and so then the next witness is
Speaker 2: Abby Stewart. Chris looks down and in the bathroom, Rita
Speaker 2: is making Abby take off her makeup and she's like,
Speaker 2: then I'll look like a little girl. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're making him look like a saint, so you can't
Speaker 2: look like a sinner. And uh oh, Chris's mom walks
Speaker 2: in and they ask her, like, give us a moment.
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm just here to wash my hands. Has
Speaker 2: that ever happened to you? Like, have you ever ever
Speaker 2: gone into a bathroom to just wash your hands unless
Speaker 2: you were truly playing with slime or like a baby
Speaker 2: sneezed on you. So like, I don't understand what got
Speaker 2: so dusty in the courtroom or maybe before lunch.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think she's totally lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people, oh yeah, so everyone that does that
Speaker 2: is lying. Okay, got a guy, ye, So and this
Speaker 2: bitch starts talking to Abby and they're like, did they
Speaker 2: tell you that Stanford requested Chris withdraw his application. Rita
Speaker 2: says this isn't the time, and they all go to
Speaker 2: quickly leave, and the bitch grabs Abby and says, don't
Speaker 2: you get it, you are ruining my son's life. Benson
Speaker 2: shoves her off gently, like, hey, you need to stop talking.
Speaker 2: And to me, I'm like, arrest that cut. Like there
Speaker 2: needs to be some sort of law of intimidating the witness,
Speaker 2: Like there needs to be something that what she is
Speaker 2: doing is not okay. She says, Oh a woman, cop,
Speaker 2: I bet you always take the girl's side. She is
Speaker 2: vile daughter too. Yeah, but she doesn't like her daughter.
Speaker 2: She hates herself and she hates women and shades her daughter.
Speaker 2: She thinks her daughter is a lying slut with all
Speaker 2: of her daughter friends, like this woman would make a
Speaker 2: killing on Instagram right now, she can join all the
Speaker 2: little right way, like her and Candae Owens would be
Speaker 2: at the beach together like talking shit. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: so sad. It is so sad and disgusting. So she
Speaker 2: goes this, the sweet little girl is the victim and
Speaker 2: the boy is made out to be a brute, and
Speaker 2: she screams teenage girls are better liars and runs off.
Speaker 2: And I bet she loved Brett Kavanaugh. Oh, I bet
Speaker 2: she was one of the yeah Kavanaugh's in her spank bank.
Speaker 2: This woman for sure. Yeah, she fucking hated Blasi Ford,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, her and Camille Grammar they can go
Speaker 2: to fucking Cantcuon together too and get eaten by a
Speaker 2: fucking shark and even the shark would spit them out
Speaker 2: because they would taste so bitter and disgusting. And Abby's
Speaker 2: on the stand, she's barely able to function. She starts with, like, emotion,
Speaker 2: we made out, lent downstairs to the dark room. All
Speaker 2: of that was agreed to and willingly. She said she
Speaker 2: liked kissing. But then what happened? She says, he got aggressive,
Speaker 2: put his hands under my dress, put my you know,
Speaker 2: his finger inside me, and she's like, I did not
Speaker 2: agree to that, and that she told to slow down,
Speaker 2: she did not want to be touched down there, and
Speaker 2: that did not stop him, and he pushed up against
Speaker 2: her and tried to fuck but it kept just rubbing
Speaker 2: against her and he came on her dress. And Ben's
Speaker 2: not funny, but it's just I just love the idea
Speaker 2: of like trying to assault someone and you can't even
Speaker 2: put it in like this.
Speaker 1: Is also like what I don't get about these like
Speaker 1: grown women that are like fucking their students like this
Speaker 1: is it? Like this is what you're Oh, I just like,
Speaker 1: can't wait to get a guy that lasts three seconds.
Speaker 2: Like Benson's listening and looks down at the part and
Speaker 2: she just feels really pained for the girl. Barbara asks
Speaker 2: if this is what she wanted. She says, no, he
Speaker 2: was hurting me and I've never had sex with anyone before,
Speaker 2: and I know that's not how I wanted it to be.
Speaker 2: He's like, but you text it back and she says, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was humiliated, but eventually told her mom the truth
Speaker 2: and the cops sucked when they went down there and
Speaker 2: she told them they had been raped and the cops
Speaker 2: were awful, and Barba sits down as she wipes away
Speaker 2: her tears. The defense daddy is a bitch from the start. Sorry,
Speaker 2: you had a regrettable experience, Abby, And then he's being
Speaker 2: fake nice to her, which bothers me even more. It's like,
Speaker 2: at least just be a dick, how you are? I
Speaker 2: hate this little game that he's doing. Is it fair
Speaker 2: to say you had a crush on him? She says,
Speaker 2: I guess were you flattered when he texted you? She
Speaker 2: says yes, and he goes, yep, and he must have
Speaker 2: been a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Since you went down to the dark room with him.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I thought he was nice.
Speaker 2: I thought we were just going to go down there
Speaker 2: to kiss and you mean like this, And then of
Speaker 2: course he shows the photos of them kissing and being
Speaker 2: like sluttie and he says, you don't have to be ashamed.
Speaker 2: I have a daughter who likes to go to dances too.
Speaker 2: That's a great fucking line.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good This is really like Rita
Speaker 1: and Buchanan.
Speaker 4: They're so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, friend of the pod, Friend of the pod, Delaney
Speaker 2: and Barbara is like, where is the fucking question? And
Speaker 2: he pushes, like this okay, So then he pushes. He goes,
Speaker 2: was this your first date? It was and you really wanted.
Speaker 4: Him to like you.
Speaker 2: Maybe you were nervous, She says a little, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know you were nervous.
Speaker 4: It was loud. You like this boy, there's a lot
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 2: Is it possible that you got overwhelmed and that's why
Speaker 2: you didn't know what you wanted and you never said no?
Speaker 2: She says, I didn't say no, but I told him
Speaker 2: not to go down there. And Buchanan's like, down where
Speaker 2: down on the floor in the basement and he's acting
Speaker 2: dumb and she says I wasn't into it, and he's
Speaker 2: like into what. She says sex and he goes, but
Speaker 2: did you say sex? And I hate him? And Chris
Speaker 2: is looking really embarrassed, and Buchanan talks about mind reading
Speaker 2: and texting and you didn't even know you were raped
Speaker 2: for four days and he keeps going and it's like,
Speaker 2: ask a fucking question, and he's like, how did we
Speaker 2: get here? She says, I know. I didn't want that
Speaker 2: to happen to me. She leans in to him as
Speaker 2: she says it like very powerful and strong, and he goes, okay,
Speaker 2: but did Chris know? And she says I think and
Speaker 2: he says that's a lot of thinking you're doing. She's crying.
Speaker 2: He goes nothing further. He walks off. Her parents look sad.
Speaker 2: His parents look happy. The mom is sedistant. This actress
Speaker 2: is a queen. She's like happy to see this girl cry.
Speaker 2: She is smirking. It is evil and the adult Posse
Speaker 2: and Abby run out and she's like fuck, and Barbara goes,
Speaker 2: don't worry.
Speaker 4: He's a trickster. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: And the dad's like, you should have protected her more
Speaker 2: and Rita says, don't worry, the worst is over, and
Speaker 2: she turns around and screams, no, it's not. So she goes,
Speaker 2: he's gonna testify and tell lies about me, and they
Speaker 2: run off. Barbara has to nail this Chris moment, so
Speaker 2: Little Glasses boys on the stand and starts the same
Speaker 2: way in.
Speaker 4: The dark room.
Speaker 1: He kept asking if what he was doing was okay,
Speaker 1: and she didn't say.
Speaker 4: No, he's a liar. We watched what happened.
Speaker 2: He did not once ask her how she was doing, Like,
Speaker 2: he is a fucking liar. I can't we saw it.
Speaker 2: You did not ask her? He said, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just fingers and I came early. No sex happened.
Speaker 2: But when you went home, how did you feel the
Speaker 2: night went? And he said good, and I didn't think
Speaker 2: anything was wrong and he couldn't even tell that she
Speaker 2: was upset. But did you care? So anyways, but you're
Speaker 2: a liar and you lied twice. Why don't you tell
Speaker 2: us about the lies? So he admits that he lied
Speaker 2: to the police about no touching, and then he lied
Speaker 2: to his peers that he fucked.
Speaker 4: So he's just a straight up liar.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're lying to your friends and the cops
Speaker 1: about fucking her and not fucking her.
Speaker 4: So you're a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: You would actually belong in Stanford, honestly, he would do
Speaker 1: great there. So then he talks about the group hating
Speaker 1: women and he hates the club.
Speaker 2: He's like, the club sucks. They really hate women. I
Speaker 2: don't even want to be a part of it. But
Speaker 2: you know, he says, if I upset her, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: and wish things went differently. And and I know now
Speaker 2: that mixing alcohol and dating is a disaster and that
Speaker 2: clear communication is very important. I wonder how long it
Speaker 2: took him to memorize that little speech. Buchanan goes and
Speaker 2: sits down and says, wow, thanks for being so upfront.
Speaker 4: You have a lot of courage.
Speaker 2: It's Barbara's turn, and you know this little bitch is
Speaker 2: in trouble because he starts asking questions while he's sitting down.
Speaker 2: That means he's feeling good. So he says, you lied
Speaker 2: to police and to your friends. That's your story. He says, yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm ashamed of that. Barbara goes, so you lie
Speaker 2: to your friends because they made fun of you because
Speaker 2: you hadn't scored. He goes, I wouldn't call it that,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, what would you call it?
Speaker 4: Cherry picking?
Speaker 2: Objected and then it's overruled immediately. It's the name of
Speaker 2: the club that he was in, and you're allowed to
Speaker 2: say it. He says, who cares what the club is called?
Speaker 2: All I know is I did nothing that Abby didn't want.
Speaker 2: So she went to the police and testified in the stand,
Speaker 2: was publicly humiliated and ostracized by her friends for something
Speaker 2: that she made up. He says, no, I mean she
Speaker 2: thinks she was raped. He stands up and is like, well,
Speaker 2: what does that tell you? And he's getting tripped up,
Speaker 2: and you know, like you can trip people up without
Speaker 2: being a dick like Buchanan, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like Buchanan's just so show body in his ass wholeness.
Speaker 2: The lawyer tries to help with another objection. The judges like,
Speaker 2: please stop. He's like, she didn't say no? Did she
Speaker 2: not say it? Or did you not hear it? Barba
Speaker 2: asks did you even ask her? Did you even ever
Speaker 2: hear a yes, but doesn't give him time to answer,
Speaker 2: and Barbara goes, no, because you didn't even ask her,
Speaker 2: Because your only concern was getting what you wanted scoring
Speaker 2: making it up on that wall. Well, congratulations, you made it.
Speaker 2: And he's in his face by this point, and Benson
Speaker 2: nods in the stand and Barba sits down. Buchanda looks
Speaker 2: at the parents like we're in trouble. Barbara's grabbing a
Speaker 2: snack at the office and Benson comes in. It looks
Speaker 2: like banana bread to me. Benson comes in and thanks
Speaker 2: him for such a good cross and is like, no
Speaker 2: matter what the jury decides, you did your job.
Speaker 4: He goes, did I It was always.
Speaker 2: A murky case and she's like, exactly, those are the
Speaker 2: ones we need to fight. We need new rules and
Speaker 2: that's like my I love that, saying always like stop
Speaker 2: trying to like we don't want to fit into this
Speaker 2: the rules that have been set up, like it only
Speaker 2: needs to be fucking crushed. So Barba is being annoying
Speaker 2: and thinks that we need to leave teens alone, and
Speaker 2: then Benson reminds him like California passed the affirmative consent law,
Speaker 2: and he's like, we will see how long that lasts,
Speaker 2: and she says, well, something needs to change. Teen boys,
Speaker 2: even in college, don't know what makes rape so let's
Speaker 2: make the lines clearer.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, if this whole thing
Speaker 1: is like we don't know, then why are we not
Speaker 1: teaching like consent more and more aggressively constantly, If like,
Speaker 1: boys are so dumb they can't understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're smart enough to.
Speaker 1: Get into Stamford, but you're not start enough to know
Speaker 1: that a girl who's passed out behind a dumpster doesn't
Speaker 1: want a glass bottle inside of herself. Like that's what
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Yeah, knock, knock, The jury is in.
Speaker 1: We're in court. The verdict has been reached.
Speaker 2: Felony rape not guilty, misdemeanor count a forcible touching not guilty,
Speaker 2: and the mom smiles so big. Abby looks shocked and
Speaker 2: horrified to the defense area. And then misdemeanor count of
Speaker 2: sexual misconduct guilty.
Speaker 4: Thank fucking god.
Speaker 1: You can stop smiling now, you dumb hunt And so
Speaker 1: the gavel bangs.
Speaker 4: The dad yells, I hope you're happy. Look what you
Speaker 4: did to my son.
Speaker 2: Your son is a fucking rapist like this, it's so frustrating.
Speaker 2: Chris says Abby's name, and her mom yells, don't you
Speaker 2: even look at her? Abby, says I'm sorry, and the
Speaker 2: evil mom goes, oh, now you're sorry, and yeah, your
Speaker 2: son's going on the registry and you should have just
Speaker 2: taken the deal.
Speaker 4: This is not the time.
Speaker 2: And so the blonde bitch is like, your daughter knew
Speaker 2: exactly what she signed up for being comed on by
Speaker 2: my son prematurely. Abby's dad yells, we all know what
Speaker 2: your son is and now he's on the registry and
Speaker 2: everyone will know.
Speaker 4: Benson separates the parents. The music plays.
Speaker 2: Benson is left panting after separating the people, and that's
Speaker 2: dick wolf.
Speaker 4: Baby.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow, a really enraging good episode. But everyone,
Speaker 1: good episode and lots of sass and like comebacks, and
Speaker 1: I just I really liked it and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear about this crime. So let's get these ads going, Baby,
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Speaker 1: so are you familiar with this crime? Do you know
Speaker 1: anything about this? Have you heard of it? Like when
Speaker 1: you watch this episode? Okay, when I watched this episode,
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what it was about.
Speaker 4: Well that's because you're a New England girl.
Speaker 1: Now that I see what's happening in your notes, I yeah,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of New England stuff. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So this is based on a crime that took place
Speaker 1: at Saint Paul's School in Conquered Newhampshire. This is a
Speaker 1: co ed boarding school. It's very elite, one of the best.
Speaker 1: According to Wikipedia, the annual twistion is sixty two thousand.
Speaker 1: I have many, many friends who have gone to this school.
Speaker 1: One of my dearest friends works there right now, So I,
Speaker 1: you know, go Saint Paul's. I've known a lot about
Speaker 1: it for a long time because I've known a lot
Speaker 1: of people have gone there, but I've never actually like
Speaker 1: set foot on the campus. But this was a big
Speaker 1: thing that happened in twenty fourteen. I was living in
Speaker 1: New York. I remember reading all about it. But I
Speaker 1: will say that most of my friends that graduated from
Speaker 1: there are like your age, so they were long gone
Speaker 1: when this incident took place. But I got some intel.
Speaker 1: So in twenty fourteen. I'm going to call it an
Speaker 1: incident at the beginning because I'm just like painting a
Speaker 1: picture of the story. But I want everyone to know
Speaker 1: that I agree a crime took place. So an incident
Speaker 1: took place between eighteen year old senior Owen LaBrie and
Speaker 1: fifteen year old freshman Chessie Prout. I hope that's how
Speaker 1: you say her name. It's like Trout with a P,
Speaker 1: contrary to what we might assume in a case like this,
Speaker 1: and because like in the episode it was this way,
Speaker 1: Owen LaBrie was not some urban rich kid like coasting
Speaker 1: off his parents' money and status. He actually was from
Speaker 1: rural Vermont. His parents had a bitter divorce and custody
Speaker 1: battle over him, and he went to Saint Paul's on
Speaker 1: a scholarship. So he was the captain of the soccer
Speaker 1: team and had gotten full rides to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Stanford, Middlebury,
Speaker 1: and UVA. That is wild. I don't think I went
Speaker 1: to school with some really smart kids, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember anybody getting into that many fucking ivs and like
Speaker 1: top top schools, and this kid one of those hides.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he like, you know, looked like a kid
Speaker 1: that just sort of like had genius and was also
Speaker 1: amazing at sports. So you know, he won the Headmaster's
Speaker 1: Award for quote selfless devotion to school activities, and essentially
Speaker 1: what happened was he got recruited to this school as
Speaker 1: a sophomore for soccer, and then they had him repeat
Speaker 1: the grade. And this happens all the time in sports
Speaker 1: at it happens all the time in boarding schools, but
Speaker 1: also colleges and stuff. And the result of this is
Speaker 1: a lot of eighteen and nineteen year old seniors going
Speaker 1: to school with fourteen year old freshmen, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's like a big age disparity on a campus where
Speaker 1: kids in this episode, obviously they're in a New York
Speaker 1: City private school, this is boarding, Like they're all sleeping
Speaker 1: at school, you know. So it appears from everything I've
Speaker 1: read that LaBrie was hyper competitive and always kind of
Speaker 1: trying to prove himself to his rich, privileged friends. You know.
Speaker 2: Question, do the teachers sleep at the school too? Or
Speaker 2: they go home? It depends.
Speaker 1: I think most of the teachers live locally, like well,
Speaker 1: you know, but like I have had friends, I have
Speaker 1: friends who work at boarding schools and they live on
Speaker 1: the campus in a house and that's part of their compensation,
Speaker 1: is like that they get a house on the campus.
Speaker 3: Wo.
Speaker 1: So it depends. So CHESSI Prout, the victim was a
Speaker 1: second generation Saint Paul's student. She was raised in Japan
Speaker 1: with her family because her father was a very successful,
Speaker 1: like international businessman, like doing finance. So she knew LaBrie
Speaker 1: a little bit because he'd had a brief relationship with
Speaker 1: her older sister, also an Saint Paul's student, and the
Speaker 1: sister had said, stay away from this guy. Okay, no
Speaker 1: one likes to listen to their older sister. It's very
Speaker 1: what's the movie you made me watch? Ten Things I
Speaker 1: Hate About You? So on May thirtieth of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: LaBrie steals a key to a mechanical room in the school.
Speaker 1: He brings a blanket, and he arranges to meet up
Speaker 1: with Chessie prout there where they're gonna.
Speaker 2: Which is already a red flag, like you've dated the
Speaker 2: sister and you're going for the younger sister like you're
Speaker 2: a free.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally, and they're gonna go hook up, hang
Speaker 1: out whatever. And a lot of my source comes from
Speaker 1: this very in depth Vanity Fair article that I read
Speaker 1: about it that it will be in my sources, and
Speaker 1: like you know, according to this article, basically what I
Speaker 1: just told you that on May thirtieth, they went to
Speaker 1: a mechanical room together. That's like where they both agree
Speaker 1: on the story and then the rest of it completely diverges.
Speaker 1: What I've read in another publication was that she admitted
Speaker 1: to like shaving her pubic hair in advance of the
Speaker 1: encounter and her best friend. This is probably where they
Speaker 1: got the character of Daniella from the episode. Her breast
Speaker 1: friend told police, Oh, yeah, like she was down to
Speaker 1: get fingered, give him a blowjob, like and the girl
Speaker 1: later said the victim later was like, I don't remember
Speaker 1: saying any of that, but the best friend told police that.
Speaker 1: So she was like willing to like just tell them
Speaker 1: like what her best friend said about things she may
Speaker 1: or may not even be willing to do in the room.
Speaker 1: It's like different what you tell your friends you'd be
Speaker 1: down to do, you know. And so she testified that
Speaker 1: just like in the episode, the kissing was exciting. She
Speaker 1: was having fun. She even helped him, like they were
Speaker 1: making out against the wall, they went down to the ground.
Speaker 1: She even like lifted up her hips so that he
Speaker 1: could take off her shorts. And then when he tried
Speaker 1: to take off her bron underwear, she said she said
Speaker 1: no three times and he said her underwear state on
Speaker 1: the whole time She remembers holding onto her underwear tightly
Speaker 1: with both hands, like that should just tell you your partner
Speaker 1: in this encounter is not having a good time, that
Speaker 1: they're clinging to their underwear as like a barrier to
Speaker 1: you not doing anything. And it's kind of in the episode.
Speaker 2: So you're smart enough to get into all these schools,
Speaker 2: but you can't understand that that's a sign of I'm
Speaker 2: not into this like it or do you not want
Speaker 2: to know?
Speaker 4: It's just it's so infuriating it really.
Speaker 1: Well, we get into that a little bit too. So
Speaker 1: he told authorities her underwear state on the whole time.
Speaker 1: She remembers that he pulled it off to thee like
Speaker 1: the front panel off to the side, so she said
Speaker 1: she felt something go inside of her and it wasn't
Speaker 1: his hands because she could see both of her hands
Speaker 1: on his waist. He told police that he went to
Speaker 1: go get a condom and that he suddenly was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I should have sex with this girl
Speaker 1: like and and decided not to go through with the intercourse. Okay.
Speaker 1: According to Vanity Fair Quote, DNA from his skin cells
Speaker 1: was found on the inside panel of her underwear, as
Speaker 1: was Seaman that could not be definitively linked to him
Speaker 1: end quote. That feels like some kind of fucking lab
Speaker 1: error because he even admitted later that he may have
Speaker 1: prematurely ejaculated during dry humping and that's why they may
Speaker 1: have found some DNA. But he claims that when he
Speaker 1: went to go put on the condom, he lost his
Speaker 1: boner and ended the whole hook up like out of embarrassment,
Speaker 1: you know, much like this kid in the episode, like
Speaker 1: prematurely you know, humping her against the wall or whatever.
Speaker 1: So they parted ways, and the first person that Prout
Speaker 1: ran into was the son of the rector, and she
Speaker 1: told him, quote I think I just had sex with
Speaker 1: Owen LaBrie end quote. When he got back to his dorm,
Speaker 1: he obviously is like greeted by a sea of high fives.
Speaker 1: He also messaged people later claiming that he had sex
Speaker 1: with her, but then later when he was on trial,
Speaker 1: backtracked on that, saying that he just did that to
Speaker 1: hide the whole going soft thing, just like an episode.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I just like told my friends
Speaker 1: I did that. I wasn't going to tell them that,
Speaker 1: I like didn't you know, finish. So soon after this
Speaker 1: encounter happened, He emails her, quote, you're an angel. She
Speaker 1: writes back in an email quote, you're quite an angel yourself,
Speaker 1: but would you mind keeping the sequence of events to
Speaker 1: yourself for now? End of quote? Probably too late. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's already told the fucking world and started a
Speaker 1: Reddit thread about it. They continued a message, a lot
Speaker 1: of ha ha haas whatever. They're looling the day away
Speaker 1: these two. The lawyer his lawyers tried to argue that
Speaker 1: these weren't the communications of a traumatized victim, while her
Speaker 1: lawyers were like, actually, these are very typical messages of
Speaker 1: a victim trying to quote unquote playcate and pacify her assailant. So,
Speaker 1: just like in the episode, so when Prout's older sister
Speaker 1: heard what happened, she slapped this guy's ass and gave
Speaker 1: him a black eye just in time for graduation, which
Speaker 1: I kind of love. And then the younger Prout the victim,
Speaker 1: eventually called her mother and they went to the local cops,
Speaker 1: and the story quickly became national news and got everyone
Speaker 1: talking about consent, teen hookup culture, everything like that. So
Speaker 1: in obviously the very in depth investigation that took place,
Speaker 1: they start researching Owen's attitudes towards you know, all his messages,
Speaker 1: all his social media, everything he's doing, and it seems
Speaker 1: like his attitudes towards women and sex were dark as hell.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is also a teen, but like he
Speaker 1: told friends in a written message that his move with
Speaker 1: girls was to quote unquote fane intimacy, then stab them
Speaker 1: in the back, throw them in the I lie in
Speaker 1: bed with them and pretend like I'm in love end
Speaker 1: of quote. So like a father of a Saint Paul's
Speaker 1: graduate who knew LaBrie, told Vanity Fair that his son
Speaker 1: told him, quote Dad, if this guy was going to
Speaker 1: do it, he was the type that would make a list.
Speaker 1: And according to my friend who went to that school
Speaker 1: whose mother's home you've been to, as you referenced earlier
Speaker 1: in the episode, she said that a lot of people
Speaker 1: that she knows from school were like, yeah, he seems
Speaker 1: like a psychopath. So this guy has questionable attitudes towards
Speaker 1: women obviously and sex. And then what eventually comes to
Speaker 1: light is that Lebrie is participating in a senior salute
Speaker 1: that's the equivalent to this cherry pickers club I guess where,
Speaker 1: And some of the articles I said, would actually say
Speaker 1: that it was women seniors too could do this with men.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just boys going after girls. It was like
Speaker 1: females going after males too. It was just seniors trying
Speaker 1: to hook up with younger classmates. And he see who
Speaker 1: could quote unquote slay the most conquest before graduation. Some
Speaker 1: people said that with the senior salute, it could be
Speaker 1: anything from making out to sex to taking a walk,
Speaker 1: like it didn't have to be sex. The media, of course,
Speaker 1: and trying to sensationalize this whole story makes it seem
Speaker 1: like this is some old thing that's going on at
Speaker 1: this school, and you know the traditions of like these
Speaker 1: moneyed institutions, but this wasn't a tradition at all, and
Speaker 1: that it seemed like after taking a deeper dive that
Speaker 1: had been going on for like a couple of years
Speaker 1: when this kid did it, and like.
Speaker 4: He could have started it.
Speaker 1: Yes, for all we know, like my friends who many
Speaker 1: of my friends graduated in like the early to mid
Speaker 1: two thousands from there, said they had never heard of
Speaker 1: this at all, and that it was pretty widely discussed
Speaker 1: among their age group when this like popped up, that
Speaker 1: they were all like wow, like did you remember this happening?
Speaker 1: Like this did not happen when we went there, and
Speaker 1: they graduated probably six or seven years before this all
Speaker 1: went down, So it's a newer thing that they're trying
Speaker 1: to like, you know, make an old tradition or whatever,
Speaker 1: because I think it like kind of makes a better
Speaker 1: story for news outlets or whatever. And the senior salute
Speaker 1: thing involved kids that were leaders in the school. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just like a rogue bunch of like bros. It
Speaker 1: was like team captains, newspaper editors, student government people like
Speaker 1: people that were high up at in the school like
Speaker 1: status were doing this. They all shared stolen keys to
Speaker 1: different rooms and spots around campus, and there was apparently
Speaker 1: even an email template for inviting girls to a salute.
Speaker 1: And they also had a sleigh trophy. It was like
Speaker 1: a mask that was supposed to be like a trophy.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if like you wear the mask
Speaker 1: after you hit it with somebody or whatever. But as
Speaker 1: far as I know, it wasn't like written down on
Speaker 1: like a wall the way it was in this episode.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there was some way they were all
Speaker 1: keeping track of it. And once the police started investigating.
Speaker 1: Labree's mom was like, get rid of your any evidence
Speaker 1: that you have of this thing. And he deleted a
Speaker 1: ton of Facebook messages that he has sent about the salute,
Speaker 1: like a like I think they The article I read
Speaker 1: said like a hundred, like so many messages about the salute,
Speaker 1: and the messages were obviously later recovered even though he
Speaker 1: deleted them. So LaBrie does go on trial. The trial
Speaker 1: is full of twists and turns, like at one point,
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz is involved, even though he himself had an
Speaker 1: allegation against him for sleeping with an underage girl or
Speaker 1: but that sexual.
Speaker 4: Assault, that's not that surprising.
Speaker 1: He's like, he jumps in any time there's underage rape.
Speaker 4: He's there to defend.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he like that, he has his own allegation.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I knew about that. It's like
Speaker 1: connected to Epstein. I don't even think I knew about that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And why else would you be so gung ho?
Speaker 1: Why would you go so gung.
Speaker 4: Ho to defend abusers if you weren't one.
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah, And a bunch of the articles
Speaker 1: that I read pointed out that they did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. They did in the episode down to the
Speaker 1: same reference. They say he wore dark glasses and looked
Speaker 1: like Harry Potter for trial, Like they were like, this
Speaker 1: is not what he looks like in photos of him
Speaker 1: from high school, Like they had him out looking like
Speaker 1: a like a nice young boy or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: they grabbed that directly from this for the episode this
Speaker 1: is what's wild. In the Vanity Fair article, they say
Speaker 1: that a senior law enforcement official involved with the case
Speaker 1: told Vanity Fair that if he had just expressed remorse
Speaker 1: or taken any accountability for his actions, the case probably
Speaker 1: would have been resolved without even a conviction, that he
Speaker 1: probably would never have seen any jail time, and he
Speaker 1: would they would have just sent him to a sex
Speaker 1: offender diversion program. And instead he went full throttle trying
Speaker 1: to set himself up to contest a guilty verdict, doing
Speaker 1: rounds and rounds of appeals because like, he's not rich,
Speaker 1: but his defense was funded by other Saint Paul's parents
Speaker 1: and I think that he, like probably his lawyers were like,
Speaker 1: even if you're found guilty, we'll just keep appealing it
Speaker 1: until you get out, because, as we've learned on this podcast,
Speaker 1: if you have enough money to keep going with the
Speaker 1: legal process. You can kind of just like appeal your
Speaker 1: way out of a lot of stuff short of like
Speaker 1: you know, mass murder and you're like sitting there with
Speaker 1: the knife. But like he said, she said type of
Speaker 1: sexual assault stuff. I think they're like, we'll just keep
Speaker 1: appealing it until we find the right judge that like
Speaker 1: says you can go. And a reporter from Vice wrote
Speaker 1: an article about him about This reporter from Vice covered
Speaker 1: the whole trial and then ran into him on the
Speaker 1: on the train in Boston and just chatted with him
Speaker 1: and wrote an article about it. And in his article
Speaker 1: he had a line where he says, that's what ultimately
Speaker 1: makes LaBrie come off as pathological, his own arrogance, Like
Speaker 1: if he had just said, oh wow, this didn't go
Speaker 1: the way I thought it did. I thought she was
Speaker 1: into it. I misread the situation. I'm so sorry. They
Speaker 1: would have sent him to a sexual assault program and
Speaker 1: he would have been like everybody's life would have been better, probably,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know that the girl wanted jail time.
Speaker 1: I think her family just wanted accountability. So in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: he was acquitted of the more serious rape charges. Buddy
Speaker 1: was found guilty on three counts of statutory rape, one
Speaker 1: count of endangering the welfare of a child, and one
Speaker 1: melleny count of using a computer to lure a minor.
Speaker 1: So they were waffling on that, like whether to use
Speaker 1: that because they were like, you know that that law
Speaker 1: is really in place to stop like child predators from
Speaker 1: luring kids over the internet. It's not necessarily for peers
Speaker 1: who are talking to each other over social media. But
Speaker 1: they did get him on that, and then because of
Speaker 1: that he had to register as a sex offender. So
Speaker 1: on October twenty ninth of twenty fifteen, he sentenced to
Speaker 1: twelve months in prison and five years of probation and
Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender. He was released on
Speaker 1: bail soon after that, just to live with his parents
Speaker 1: during all his appeals, and the New Hampshire Supreme Court
Speaker 1: unanimously denied his first appeal in twenty to eighteen, and
Speaker 1: then in June of twenty nineteen he had a second
Speaker 1: claim of ineffective assistance of legal counsel. That was another
Speaker 1: appeal that was unanimously denied, and apparently a confidential settlement
Speaker 1: was reached with the victim and in June of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: he he was released from prison. He did serve six
Speaker 1: months of a twelve month sentence and he was let
Speaker 1: out early because of good behavior. Poor Chessie Prout tried
Speaker 1: to go back to Saint Paul's the following year in
Speaker 1: the fall after this incident, and the kids were horrible
Speaker 1: to her, like her friends turned on her, people pointed
Speaker 1: at her. She eventually like she made it like to
Speaker 1: the end of the semester and was like, I want
Speaker 1: to get out of here. She went home and started
Speaker 1: attending a day school, and now she's an advocate for
Speaker 1: ending sexual assault on campus. And she did write a
Speaker 1: memoir called I Have the Right to Colon a High
Speaker 1: school Survivor's Story of sexual assault, Justice and Hope, which
Speaker 1: was published in twenty eighteen with the help of a
Speaker 1: Boston Globe reporter who helped her write the book. So
Speaker 1: you know, then recently a judge who let like LaBrie
Speaker 1: off kind of easy was Biden nominated him, and she
Speaker 1: tried to speak out against that, but it still went through.
Speaker 1: So it seems like she's found like almost like a
Speaker 1: calling from this and like talking about campus rape and
Speaker 1: then like other articles are like, oh, and LaBrie trying
Speaker 1: to build his life back. Like I read this Jezebel
Speaker 1: article which is also in my sources, about how Vanity
Speaker 1: Fair doesn't know how to talk about sexual assault because
Speaker 1: I know it's murky, just like the episode, but this
Speaker 1: kid definitely did it, and they're just trying to like
Speaker 1: paint both sides of like, oh, yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: tough for her, Like they definitely made it show how
Speaker 1: tough it was for her, but they were like, but
Speaker 1: it was also really tough for him, and he's got
Speaker 1: to rebuild his life and this and that, and it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he could have just pled out, like
Speaker 1: with an apology, and he probably would have served any
Speaker 1: jail time or about gone on the sex defender registry.
Speaker 1: So his own arrogance got him to where he is.
Speaker 1: So I don't really care if he builds his life back.
Speaker 2: But it's also like in the episode, you know it's
Speaker 2: this kid, It's the one name on the list he
Speaker 2: just wanted to belong.
Speaker 4: This guy is pathological. Yeah, this he had a.
Speaker 1: Hundreds, wasn't it, like hundreds of messages about the salute,
Speaker 1: Like he was a ringleader of it. He he knew
Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing. Yeah, And it's so interesting
Speaker 1: with the arrogance because I feel that it's it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: and what's crazy, you're gonna get away with it, because
Speaker 1: I think about that with Louie a lot, where it's
Speaker 1: like he made a movie where the main characters jerking
Speaker 1: off in front of young people like ah and just
Speaker 1: like wouldn't get ahead of it, wouldn't say it.
Speaker 4: And it's like that's pure arrogance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like what's crazy too, is like according to this,
Speaker 1: like I don't know about the Cherry Pickers Club, I
Speaker 1: think you had to have sex, but like for this one,
Speaker 1: they say it could just be hooking up. It could
Speaker 1: just be making out. It could just be blowjobs or
Speaker 1: hand jobs or whatever. It was just like hooking. It
Speaker 1: was just hookups. So he could have just made out
Speaker 1: with her and done the fun part that they were
Speaker 1: both enjoying and still gotten quote unquote the credit for
Speaker 1: it on his little list. But he couldn't stop himself.
Speaker 1: And he cause he's like like a person that's just
Speaker 1: like I get what. I thank god he didn't go
Speaker 1: to college because on college he would have been raping
Speaker 1: all over Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: They're like, think of his education. It's like, thank god
Speaker 2: he's not there. It's a liability to have these types
Speaker 2: of men on campus. So that's even like anytime someone
Speaker 2: will bring up like what about Stanford, and it's like,
Speaker 2: Stanford's a better place without your son in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's one least predator there. So I'm fine with that too.
Speaker 2: You're not entitled to get a full ride to Harvard. Sorry, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: All right. Let's uh, let's dive right into our post mortems.
Speaker 1: Is we don't have a guest. Well, that was a
Speaker 1: harrowing tale of boarding school gone wrong. But you know
Speaker 1: what I found out. I actually ran into another person
Speaker 1: since we recorded this episode. I ran into another person
Speaker 1: who went to that school, and I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we just covered it on my podcast, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, but she said the same thing that my
Speaker 1: other friend said. She was like, yeah, we didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about that at that school, but there was an
Speaker 1: older scandal at that school from I believe, like the
Speaker 1: seventies and eight. He's like, you know, we covered I
Speaker 1: think on the podcast we covered the horus Man. Like
Speaker 1: there there's all kinds of like abuse scandals that happened
Speaker 1: at that happened at like elite private schools and boarding
Speaker 1: schools and stuff in like the seventies and eighties where
Speaker 1: people almost didn't blink an eye at like teachers having
Speaker 1: sex with students if like, you know, it was just
Speaker 1: kind of like a well you shouldn't but tisk tisk,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a jailable offense.
Speaker 2: Well, because there's one episode did we cover where Elliott
Speaker 2: Gould comes in and he's like, oh, I'm the abuser
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, it seems like everyone like
Speaker 2: fucking you actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like, I thought it was like
Speaker 1: a romantic like a mentor mentee romance. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, we're uh not doing that.
Speaker 1: But of Elliott Gould, yeah, I need him to come
Speaker 1: back to SVU honestly. And you just found out he
Speaker 1: was married to Barbara streisand right, he's not married to Barbara.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was though, but he was right.
Speaker 4: Oh, I have no idea. Oh wait, did they have
Speaker 4: a son?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They were the biggest IT couples in the sixties, although
Speaker 2: their marriage ended in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they sar an.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Oh, they have a son who's that.
Speaker 2: I already forgot it. I already forgot that. So I
Speaker 2: learned it and fully and then I went out of
Speaker 2: my brain.
Speaker 1: I did see.
Speaker 2: Photos of Elvis recently marrying, you know, his child bride,
Speaker 2: but he was hot. I never really realized, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: now I get it. He's like pretty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like he is like a pretty boy.
Speaker 2: I know people have known for decades, but I just like,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't really think about Elvis. He's not
Speaker 2: I get it. I don't care, and so I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love peanut butter and banana. So that's
Speaker 2: like how I know Elvis is people. Yeah, because this
Speaker 2: frozen custard place in Chicago that I always ordered the
Speaker 2: Elvis and it was Custards.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've been I've been to Graceland and I was
Speaker 1: like the whole time, I was like, wait, why are
Speaker 1: people so obsessed with this guy? But you know, you
Speaker 1: look at me as hot? Okay wait, I just looked
Speaker 1: up Jason Gould and he looks just like Barbara streisand
Speaker 1: with Elliott Gould's like hair and oh and he's gay.
Speaker 1: Love that for him. And I mean Barbara streisand having
Speaker 1: a gay son is truly just the most divine thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think he's out at like parties
Speaker 2: going you know, my mom's Barbara.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think that hasn't gotten him late
Speaker 1: a little bit, you're crazy.
Speaker 4: I just can't.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's a photo of him like with
Speaker 2: his finger up and my gifted son, Jason. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's making music that's always you know, sad. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe his music is good, but I just it's like
Speaker 2: so hard when you have these types of parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: I always say this, I would never be an EPO.
Speaker 2: I would chill out. I would be I would chill out.
Speaker 2: I would spend my parents' money and hang and buy
Speaker 2: gifts for kids, Like I think that's what I would do.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd want to prove anything. I just
Speaker 2: love doing stand up, so I think I would like
Speaker 2: do stand up. But yeah, I don't think I would
Speaker 2: like do things I didn't want to. Well, he's an
Speaker 2: actor and a singer and he's he's actually fifty six.
Speaker 1: I can't believe they have a kid that's that old.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess that makes sense. Uh you know
Speaker 1: when you're born in this if they're married in the sixties. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we're entering an age where all of our favorites will
Speaker 1: be dying in front of our eyes. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like we're getting to the age where the in memoriam
Speaker 1: at the Oscars is going to like really take us down.
Speaker 1: Like it's really going to take us down. But let's
Speaker 1: get back to our post mortem. What did we learn
Speaker 1: from fucking these kids? I mean, like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think that thing is is like I do think
Speaker 1: that like high school kids, we have to teach boys
Speaker 1: about consent early. We have to like, you know, be
Speaker 1: doing this and stuff. But like this kid felt like
Speaker 1: he had like a special kind of arrogance that he
Speaker 1: was going to be a predator, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, his mom, it was his mom.
Speaker 2: It's like, I hate blaming women for the actions of men,
Speaker 2: but it's like when you're raised with a mom like that, like,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, you're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Oh in the I was thinking of the real kid.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, yes, but you're thinking about okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like I don't know if the mom was bad,
Speaker 1: but we don't really know much about her. But yes,
Speaker 1: in the episode, Yeah, like these people like I really
Speaker 1: try to like look at my children from like like
Speaker 1: you know, I love them unconditionally, but I'm also like,
Speaker 1: don't think that they're completely blameless and like perfect, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have to help them become good people and
Speaker 1: not just be like he would never why because I
Speaker 1: made him Like that's crazy, you know, why would he not?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think Barbara on the Stand just did such
Speaker 2: a good job because it was like did she say yes?
Speaker 2: Or you didn't even listen because you didn't even care.
Speaker 2: You went down there to get what you wanted from
Speaker 2: a person without ever thinking about their needs, wants or anything.
Speaker 4: And I just thought.
Speaker 2: That was like such a good Barbera moment that it
Speaker 2: will stick with me where it's like yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: like when the isy stuff happened, we were like, it's
Speaker 2: not it's not anything I go.
Speaker 4: You know, one's saying he has to go to jail.
Speaker 2: The whole point that's annoying is that like you don't
Speaker 2: even think about the like the woman that you're fucking
Speaker 2: like in any capacity.
Speaker 4: It's so weird.
Speaker 2: And you know, we say this here where it's like
Speaker 2: these quote unquote tiny crime like they grow they I
Speaker 2: don't know, is that Yale guy who only got three months?
Speaker 4: Is he on the sexual registry list?
Speaker 2: That was Stanford, right, Yeah, yeah he did he get
Speaker 2: Is he on the registry? Let me let me google it,
Speaker 2: cause it's like, if you're not serving jail time, which
Speaker 2: is annoying, that's line. If they're on the fucking registry,
Speaker 2: Like I think that is important and their lives should
Speaker 2: be ruined.
Speaker 4: That's the thing that's my things.
Speaker 1: He's a registered sex offender in Ohio, according to The
Speaker 1: Washington Post.
Speaker 2: Great, because that's my whole thing where it's like, can
Speaker 2: you think about his future? And it's like, actually, I
Speaker 2: want to ruin his future. That's gonna be my new
Speaker 2: thing where they're like, well, you don't want to ruin
Speaker 2: a man's reputation, Like actually I do, I really do.
Speaker 4: I want your life ruined forever?
Speaker 1: That guy too, Like that guy can't say oh, like
Speaker 1: it was hot and heavy. I guess I was like
Speaker 1: too into it. I wasn't paying attention to her feelings.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear her saying no, she was passed out,
Speaker 1: you know, like you have like it's so disgusting what
Speaker 1: he got away with truly and yeah, whether it the
Speaker 1: judge that was like ah whatever, yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was the I don't want to ruin the future of
Speaker 1: this nice young man, like that's you know, and no.
Speaker 2: Thought at all about the trauma of assault and rape
Speaker 2: onto the victims.
Speaker 4: How is that going to ruin their life?
Speaker 2: Why do we care about this Stanford loser and not
Speaker 2: the psychological trauma of I mean, we read about victim
Speaker 2: statements all the time in our research, and it's like
Speaker 2: people are affected forever, yeah by this.
Speaker 1: And that's it's We actually had a listener contact us
Speaker 1: and say that their friend was about to do a
Speaker 1: victim impact statement and asked me what episodes have good
Speaker 1: impact statements so she could show them to her friend.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what I can think of right
Speaker 1: now is the brock Turner episode which is called Rape Interrupted,
Speaker 1: which we will cover, But if you can remember any
Speaker 1: other like good victim impact statement episodes, let me know,
Speaker 1: because I was having a hard time remembering. But the
Speaker 1: girl in real life at the brock Turner case made
Speaker 1: a very impactful statement that was published, and so they
Speaker 1: are important anyway, Yeah, I guess just like fucking let's
Speaker 1: raise men to have consent. But that's asking a lot, and.
Speaker 2: It's like it's honestly boiled down to if you are
Speaker 2: a man, do you consider women people?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: That is that is how low the bar is, And
Speaker 2: that is like the actions of so many men. That
Speaker 2: is where I go to, like, do you even see
Speaker 2: women as human at all?
Speaker 4: With wants? I saw a clip.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously my algorithms are trying to piss me off.
Speaker 2: That's like how I get you know, yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: why I had to get off the internet. But I
Speaker 2: saw one where a dude straight up was like married
Speaker 2: to his wife for like ten years before he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: and then it hit me that, like she has thoughts
Speaker 2: and feelings, Like I do not think men honestly think
Speaker 2: that we are autonomous beings with full lives.
Speaker 1: Like really, there are men. There are men that think
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah overall, but if that but if that was the culture,
Speaker 2: then Rock Turner would have gotten more jail time. Yeah
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like to pinpoint which men
Speaker 2: are good or bad defeats the actual thing where the
Speaker 2: culture does not take women as people. So it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if we can name a couple men that we
Speaker 2: know that see us as full beings when overall it's
Speaker 2: like it's the same thing with racism or it's like
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you think you're racist or not.
Speaker 2: We're living in this racist to sign me and you're
Speaker 2: a part of it. And so like even the men,
Speaker 2: like they have like as much as me as a
Speaker 2: white person has to check myself constantly, it's like men
Speaker 2: have to also take that bird on and check themselves
Speaker 2: constantly and how they're approaching women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also want to be like, I know
Speaker 1: these kids like in this episode, these kids are like
Speaker 1: sixteen seventy eight, seventeen whatever, eighteen, But like you want
Speaker 1: to be like if you like, yeah, if you saw
Speaker 1: women as people, you would also realize that for you yourself,
Speaker 1: anything sexual is better when both people are enjoying it really,
Speaker 1: like you know, like it's not unless you're not thinking
Speaker 1: of a woman as a person and you're like this
Speaker 1: is just like a means to an end for me,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what that boy did.
Speaker 2: That boy lied everywhere he rode on that wall, and
Speaker 2: then it was like he lied to everyone constantly, and
Speaker 2: I don't think he was drilled as hard as we've
Speaker 2: seen on the show Women that like don't disclose everything
Speaker 2: right away, you know you can't know, is fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I plan to have the conversation
Speaker 1: with my son and my daughter where I'm like, if
Speaker 1: you're engaging in something with someone and they do not
Speaker 1: look like they are enjoying it as much as you are, stop,
Speaker 1: like you have to figure out what's going on, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Well, So Steph Tolla Comics.
Speaker 2: She has a podcast about I think it's Steph Infection,
Speaker 2: So it's about gross stuff I've been on.
Speaker 1: I've been on.
Speaker 2: I talked about like, I think my extra tailbone, but
Speaker 2: which is like full like.
Speaker 1: Romper room compared to the chest she talks about on
Speaker 1: that pot. I know that's like nothing. Did I talk
Speaker 1: about pink?
Speaker 2: I'm trying anything, like what the grossest things about me are?
Speaker 2: But she just had Bill burn and the clip was
Speaker 2: that she was scared she was gonna get me too,
Speaker 2: because she kept putting fingers in guys butts without their permission,
Speaker 2: and Bill was like, yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: She goes, no, I've learned. I've learned.
Speaker 1: Like during hookups, yeah, sneaking a finger in there. Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, and it.
Speaker 2: Was just it just made me laugh. But she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I've realized that now we can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Without a little without a little tap on the shoulder,
Speaker 1: Like mind if I sneak around back, you know.
Speaker 2: She just said, one guy got so upset and he
Speaker 2: goes and Bill was like yeah, and also shout out
Speaker 2: to bil Bird defending his wife standing behind her for
Speaker 2: flicking off the president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ex president, he's fucking his wife rules. I love her,
Speaker 1: She's the best. Yeah, let's get into our what would
Speaker 1: Sister Peg do for the week?
Speaker 2: This way women, our people, and Bill Burr's wife is
Speaker 2: awesome and she's one of them, one of our best.
Speaker 2: What would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 1: Our weekly segment where we point you to a resource,
Speaker 1: an organization, a blog, a book, a podcast, something to
Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about today.
Speaker 1: And for this week's segment, we wanted to point you
Speaker 1: to the book I Have a Right to a High
Speaker 1: School Survivor's Story of Sexual Assault, Justice and Hope by
Speaker 1: Chessie Prout. Obviously, Chessie is the victim of the true
Speaker 1: crime we discussed, and this memoir is her account of
Speaker 1: her sexual assault and the aftermath from the high profile
Speaker 1: court proceedings. It tackles rape culture at large and the
Speaker 1: epidemic of victim blaming in cases of sexual ass I
Speaker 1: think it could be a great read for also anyone
Speaker 1: who's thinking about sending their kid to a private school,
Speaker 1: a boarding school, a place where you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: lot of people who think they are elite and entitled,
Speaker 1: but also for anyone. So that will be linked to
Speaker 1: in our stories the day it comes out on Instagram
Speaker 1: and it will be saved forever in our what would
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Speaker 2: That's Messed Up pod And next week we'll be doing
Speaker 2: Russian Brides. That's season thirteen, episode seven. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Thirteen and seven both kind of lucky numbers for people. Kara,
Speaker 2: did you know thirteen is Taylor Swift's favorite number?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 1: It is. What's your number? Fifty four? Mine's eight?
Speaker 4: Why are you trying to be different?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Well, it's usually seven, you know,
Speaker 1: lucky number seven, and you just went one up. Oh,
Speaker 1: I just like I've always loved the number eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fun one. It was like a lucky number
Speaker 1: for me. It looks like boobs. Okay, guys, thanks for listening.
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