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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Done done, yay.

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<v Speaker 2>Another episode of That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Leeza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Kara Klank, your other host, And every week

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<v Speaker 1>we recap an episode of SVU. We talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>true crimeates based on and soon we'll be back to

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<v Speaker 1>talking to guests because the strike is oh thea But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who knows. I don't know if we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to vote on this thing. Have you voted no on

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<v Speaker 1>the contract?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't look at any I don't really I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I've like taken myself out of society in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't check my mail? Yes, I don't check my email.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have TikTok and I don't have Instagram anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've truly been watching YouTube shorts on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>so that might have to go soon too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've been slowly like retreating into the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, into the woods instead of out of the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But this morning in bed, I did check a quick

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<v Speaker 2>tailor Travis update.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, come on, we need that's it, we need that,

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<v Speaker 1>We need that. Yeah, that's she straight from Brazil. She

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<v Speaker 1>went right to Kansas City, so I love that. Ooh

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<v Speaker 1>is there a direct from sam Pello to Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's funny that you asked they stopped in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>They did a refuel stop in Florida. Wow, you're early

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I can't believe it. So okay, wait, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of news. This episode is coming out. Okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're always in the time machine. I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be old news by them. But Da Da Rollins

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<v Speaker 1>is coming back to SVU.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even see that because I'm off the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you didn't even text.

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<v Speaker 1>Me I because I knew I was seeing you in

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you just found it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just found it. I literally just posted it to

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<v Speaker 1>our Instagram, like honestly ten minutes ago. Kelly gishsh Kelly Giddish,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I know what I'm hurrying. Yeah, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I will stand corrected in that because look, it's on

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<v Speaker 1>People Magazine that she's returning for season twenty five and

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<v Speaker 1>I will stand corrected. I think I said I like Rowlins,

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<v Speaker 1>She's done great work, and I thought, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone's gonna miss her. I missed her. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't like who they replaced her with. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like they need her. I like her there, I

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<v Speaker 1>like her and Careesi. I want I want her back.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I want her back, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she'll maybe there'll be some nice serial killer episodes

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<v Speaker 2>that she can do, you know, some yes, yes, her

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<v Speaker 2>analysis on.

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<v Speaker 1>I at this point, I don't even care that she's

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<v Speaker 1>like not qualified to play the hoong of the group,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I want to have a hoong, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>get her in there. Like I want to have somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's like telling me about like weird psychoses. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of weird disease, you know what I mean. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I want that like element back.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, because I wonder if you know, her

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing of leaving is she has kids and she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to get shot at, so it could be

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<v Speaker 2>in the realm of what you're saying, Yeah, she's like

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<v Speaker 2>a squadron helping. Yeah, you know, I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And she's been classy about it all. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still such a thrill that.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew something about it. I knew something was up

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<v Speaker 1>because like a lot of you guys have sent us

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<v Speaker 1>the it's like a little video of you know that

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<v Speaker 1>song that's like big on TikTok and Instagram. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>Y'm a little boo thing or whatever. It's it's Marishka

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<v Speaker 1>and k and Kelly like dancing to that and like

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<v Speaker 1>lip syncing it together. And I was like, oh, she's

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<v Speaker 1>back on set, like and she's probably coming back, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this People magazine like dropped today. So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to everybody who sent it. I love that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys always send us like all the same like memes

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff on mass like and are like, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotten this ten thousand times, but here it is again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. We're fine. You know what I also getting.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got that Spotify wrapped. That's what I was

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<v Speaker 1>just gonnaate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Text me hello to our new listeners in New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>and the Philippine. I mean, hello, that's exciting. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>know two people who just got engaged in the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I had Yeah, but I had known that

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<v Speaker 2>he was proposing for months. He's like, Yeah, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>on this trip in the fall, and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, they're like, we're going on this trip and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, is it fall? Like what the fuck? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's exciting. And someone showed me the video of

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<v Speaker 1>him doing it. Because I'm not on the internet. It

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<v Speaker 1>is really weird in LA because of the weather. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've probably talked about this on the podcast before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do have to like remind myself what month

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<v Speaker 1>it is, like multiple times a week. Like I'm always like,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it was if I was in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>I would know, Like I would know because of the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, Okay, it's February, like oh more almost

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<v Speaker 1>to March where it's gonna warm up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like this the constant sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>and like relative warmth. I always forget the month. But

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify rap season is one of my favorite times of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. You guys are so awesome and everybody's like sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we got some people that are like we're in

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<v Speaker 1>their top point oh one percent, They're in our top

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<v Speaker 1>one point one percent of our listeners.

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<v Speaker 4>Or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means they're like super listeners and love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Love you guys for sharing your Spotify raps, and I

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<v Speaker 1>like to see what you guys also listen to. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you like us, who else do you like? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we get some ruined which obviously is like our

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<v Speaker 1>friends that we've turned you guys Onto and Tricksy and

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<v Speaker 1>Katya who we talk about all the time. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just get like some interest, a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>you're wrong about in a maintenance phase, which I like

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<v Speaker 1>other exactly right podcasts. That's why we drink girls sometimes. Woeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We do want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So our top episode on Spotify was Abomination with Michael Bowman.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that's something that you listen to time and

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<v Speaker 2>time again or was that just a special week that.

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<v Speaker 4>They found us all like, I'm so, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 4>loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm like wondering if that's like the first

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<v Speaker 1>week that they like opened up ratings on Spotify. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you guys can rate us on Spotify now

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to. I mean I don't, it's in

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<v Speaker 1>my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I like our Kelly Giddish scoop was like almost immediately

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<v Speaker 2>after she left the show. I would think that would

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<v Speaker 2>be where people walk to. But Michael Bowman our library guy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is yeah, listen, I do have another Kelsey Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>thing to say, and then we can, of course plug

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<v Speaker 2>the tour. We have a few more dates left her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just for Christmas. But who are the two

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<v Speaker 2>people from It's Always Sonny that are married?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember their names?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I know. It's Kaitlin Olsen. What's her husband,

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<v Speaker 2>Kaylan Olsen?

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<v Speaker 1>And mc Rob McKenny yeah or something, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So mclaney.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the so the Eagles do this like autism

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<v Speaker 2>foundation him and they were auctioning off this jacket and

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<v Speaker 2>Rob McKellan ENnie he it reminds me of anemone from CNAMEO.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, is it cnemony?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you just said it right, I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>that that's what his name.

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<v Speaker 4>Reminded me of. And I love the little tentacle thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, So he bid sixty two thousand dollars for this

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<v Speaker 2>jacket and then he was outbid but for someone bidding

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred grand who ended up being his wife. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought that was like really cute. That's very

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<v Speaker 2>six in the city. It was for a Jason Kelcey jacket. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a Kelly Green jacket that his wife wore.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like a limited edition. I have no idea. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm a new fan. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>why this jacket is special. I think it's an outdated

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<v Speaker 2>green color that they don't use anymore, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, they're obviously Philadelphia people, and they're obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the richest people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a fun couple. I bet they're a fun couple.

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<v Speaker 1>They're for sure a fun couple. I be not my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>She produces their like live podcasts. I should ask her

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<v Speaker 1>if they're like, yeah together.

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<v Speaker 2>They I would be shocked if they were not fun

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<v Speaker 2>and into each other.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, But who knows? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I know couples that are miserable and their

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram looks incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>So you really never know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I've been Yeah, like, I've been at parties with

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<v Speaker 1>the other fucking guy from Always Sonny Charlie Day and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife who's like also an actress and was in

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite show, The Grinder. But I always

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<v Speaker 1>Sonny's a big blind spot for me, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like people are rabidly fans of it, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>like don't know it. I just don't. It's a blind

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<v Speaker 1>spot for me too. Yeah, should we like watch it together?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I've started a couple episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Should start from the beginning, virgins watching Always Sunny podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've not that we're virgins, but that we've never

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<v Speaker 1>watched a second of Always Sonny and we started in.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty I think they get the reference. They get the reference.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't think that you are a virgin?

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<v Speaker 1>Does anyone think I'm a virgin?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you clarify that. Let's see who this Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>guy is married to. Now, I'm curious if they're all

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<v Speaker 2>who they're all married to. We're just going on an

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<v Speaker 2>Always Sonny hunt. Now, yeah, for some reason, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>people really love Danny DeVito.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's all good. Wait, he's married to someone,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn Howardton. He's married. Okay, he's married to Jilliano.

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<v Speaker 2>She did a guest appearance on the show, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>not as recognizable to me as the other women.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I guess I think that he dated somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>was on SVU, because I feel like I was just

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<v Speaker 1>on his profile, like seeing who he was, like you connect.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some kind of you connect to him. But

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm obviously they're not going to put his whole

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<v Speaker 1>dating history in here. But interesting. Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>I ran into a listenery yesterday at Target.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. That's where I always run into listeners really, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the only times in LA people ever come up to

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<v Speaker 1>me and say I listened to your podcast is a Target.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that it's happened like four times. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>did something fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're not supposed to do good deeds and

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<v Speaker 2>brag about it, but I'll tell you it felt great,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're in the mood, I would suggest you

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<v Speaker 2>do it. But the Comedy Store had a toy drive

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<v Speaker 2>with the West Hollywood Fire Department, the la FD. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and basically I picked an amount of money I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to spend, and boy was it fun. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>had the time of my life filling that cart up

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<v Speaker 2>with toys. And I don't know, I just like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of the kids having good toys. And yeah, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you get one amazing toy that you would like

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<v Speaker 2>or your kids would like, I'm sure one of these

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<v Speaker 2>people would like it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It felt really exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>So if anyone has extra income and one to give

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<v Speaker 2>around the holidays, I would suggest buying a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bunch of toys because you get the you you get

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<v Speaker 1>the boost. You get the boosts to the shopping too,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get the boost and then you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>hope that like children are enjoying a fun time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was also going to show because.

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<v Speaker 2>I showed up and someone brought a package a package

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<v Speaker 2>of Uno. I'm sorry, that's four ninety nine. That's not enough. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say that right here. No kid wants a packet

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<v Speaker 2>of Uno for the holidays, that's all. That's that's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm saying everything is fine, but I don't agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it needs to be something that you would want,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was my big thing issue with food drive stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, obviously people are happy to have food, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants these weird green beans in water, So

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you get people things that you would actually

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<v Speaker 2>want to eat.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just something I believe in, but no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was also going to shout out if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have time to go like shopping for toys, but

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<v Speaker 1>you do want to help it the holiday season. A

0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.640
<v Speaker 1>listener sent us from the Instagram account is called things

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<v Speaker 1>Dot I Dot bought Dot and Dot liked. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram I will obviously post it on our Instagram today

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<v Speaker 1>the episode the day this episode comes out, but it

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<v Speaker 1>has a big database of teacher with wishless from Title

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<v Speaker 1>one schools. My child goes to a Title one school

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and it's just like wishless that the teachers need.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys know, we're always like pumping up the teachers.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's from all over the country, so like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it right now. It's like New Haven, the Bronx, Cleveland, Delaware,

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<v Speaker 1>like Texas, like it's everywhere. You could just go on

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<v Speaker 1>here and like help a teacher clear their list for

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays. That would be very cool. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're pro teacher on this pod, so that's another option

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't, you can't go on a little target spree. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw so do you know the lols Surprise Dolls? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Julie is that's the one that Julia. I literally messaged

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<v Speaker 1>Julia four days ago and I go, they're still playing

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Oscar and Rosie were fighting over it. My

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Julia, when I was pregnant with Oscar made

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<v Speaker 1>me a cupcake that looked like a vagina and it

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<v Speaker 1>had this little doll's head coming out of it in

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<v Speaker 1>the cupcake and it was so funny. But I kept

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<v Speaker 1>the doll because like Rosie loved it and they still

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<v Speaker 1>play with it all.

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<v Speaker 2>The time, and I should get her a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>So they make him big too. And right now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a Haribo Lol Surprise collab where like the doll has

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<v Speaker 2>a belly chain with little gummy bears hanging off of it,

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<v Speaker 2>on colorful hair and like plasticy outfits, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>like all the there's just like Harrobo collabs with these dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I was excited. Yeah, but you you

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<v Speaker 2>helped me out. I grabbed some Gabby's Dollhouse was on sale.

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<v Speaker 2>There was bluey stuff. I really I did it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy. But I just got huge Gabby's Dollhouse news.

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<v Speaker 1>Today I'm dropping I'm dropping my son off at school

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<v Speaker 1>and he has a hard time going in. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>crying going in. It's just it's like, honestly, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a sense memory thing. Now he's not unhappy to go in,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just like, oh, this is where I start crying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a tradition. And so outside of his school

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bench that has a Gabby's Dollhouse ad

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<v Speaker 1>on it. It's about wearing, it's not about putting your

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the right car seat, but as all the characters.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go look at it to like calm him

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<v Speaker 1>down a little bit before we go into school, and

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<v Speaker 1>this mom comes up, who I've known since last year

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<v Speaker 1>because her daughter was in Rosie's class, was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys into that? My husband's directing the Gabby's

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<v Speaker 1>Dollhouse movie. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is Oscar's favorite thing. And she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, there's gonna be screenings. I'll get you

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<v Speaker 1>into a screening. I was like, amazing. She goes and

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<v Speaker 1>if you want any toys, his office is right next

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<v Speaker 1>to the big merch room where all the Gabby's Dollhouse

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<v Speaker 1>toys are. And I was like, you gotta be joking me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what are the chances that, like I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>this woman all the time, but like we never would

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<v Speaker 1>have even like talked about that. I don't think and

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like, this is a huge day for

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<v Speaker 1>me Gabby's Dollhouses. If you remember, this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about with Amber Stevens West. We were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how our kids are both super Gabby fans. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>well my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's young, so he doesn't he hasn't been poisoned

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<v Speaker 2>by the world yet. But it's nice to know that

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<v Speaker 2>a boy is watching a girl show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Gabby it like is kind, it feels girly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very painky cats. Yeah, but like when you watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>the songs are really catchy. It shows you crafts. It

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<v Speaker 1>tells you about like like there's a really cute song

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<v Speaker 1>that's like I don't know how to do that yet,

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<v Speaker 1>Like about how important the word yet is. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't just say I can't. You're like, I can't do

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<v Speaker 1>that yet, you know. Like it's a really cute show.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't mind it. Rosie hates it now because

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<v Speaker 1>he's Oscar's obsessed and she's like in protest. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm I'm thrilled about my new Gabby's Dollhouse connect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I know that's huge really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's fun in la I guess someone's like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do that. So that's exciting because everyone told me

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<v Speaker 2>at the comedy store that Travis Kelce had been there,

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<v Speaker 2>that he goes there and he's ends with certain comics

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<v Speaker 2>that are like success.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that you're not that many degrees

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<v Speaker 1>away from meeting him. I don't think that would be impossible.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't either.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually yeah, I've been thinking if we can retroactively

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<v Speaker 2>go back to our episodes that have aired and taken

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<v Speaker 2>out the judgmental things I have said about Taylor and

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<v Speaker 2>that air them back out, just in case she finds it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because now I'm I am so hardcore. You don't understand,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just didn't even understand folklore. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like alone on walks crying listening to these songs

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<v Speaker 2>that I think it.

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<v Speaker 1>Takes this strong. You're you're a good person. You're a

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<v Speaker 1>strong person. You're standing in your truth. You're saying listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I made some judgments about Taylor. I've changed my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm a huge stand I mean, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Songwriting so good, the music is so good, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did think about it. I go, you know, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of sexism because this bitch is prolific. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the amount of songs she is writing non stop,

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<v Speaker 2>and that we're even questioning whether she's talented or not

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<v Speaker 2>when ed Sheeran gets to just pop around in a flannel.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what I mean. I mean in cases,

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a flannel, no offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think both of us were always saying she's talented.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we were not saying she's untalented. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, oh, but compared to Gaga, and like

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't compare women. I get that, but like we're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to have our favorites or whatever. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think like the Eras tour, because we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>her pre Eras tour or it had just started, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just the fact that she performs for like three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half hours, like multiple times a week, like

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<v Speaker 1>barely stopping is like you said it, You're like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an elite athlete, Like it's you know, it's really admirable.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, yeah, in the Gayga documentary, she would come

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<v Speaker 2>out and sit in an ice bath.

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<v Speaker 1>And go, oh, you know, that's a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 2>So crazy, but yeah, I'm just so into all of

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<v Speaker 2>it so much right now. Just a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>songs that I didn't even know about. I'm like even

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<v Speaker 2>old ones. I'm like enchanted, where have I been?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? But it's definitely not all for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the more poppy stuff too, Like I'm a weird

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a real we're never getting back together girl? Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I like a lot of stuff from like I think

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<v Speaker 1>Red and that's so funny. That's the one album I

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<v Speaker 1>won't even have on my Oh, I think I those

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<v Speaker 1>annoying me. I like the poppy shit. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember I was dating a guy at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I am ashamed about this because I would

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<v Speaker 2>never eat at Papa John's, even before he came out

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<v Speaker 2>as a lunatic, Like it is a subpar pizza. If

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<v Speaker 2>Papa John's is your number one, I'm telling you get

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<v Speaker 2>some Dominoes and Pizza Hut in your life.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyways, her.

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<v Speaker 2>She was on so he would always get Papa John's,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was always on the cover of the pizza

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<v Speaker 2>boxes for Red, Like I just remember she had a collab,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were like, fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she would do that now. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think she should be on a pizza box. Cover of

0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a Papa John's pizza box is hilarious. If anyone has

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<v Speaker 1>a photo, I'm sure we could find a reference on Google.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what else I saw?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that like when she's in the catwalk

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<v Speaker 2>and like she's done underground, she sits on like a

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<v Speaker 2>bob sled type of thing and then it shoots her

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<v Speaker 2>to the top of the stage because there's not enough

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<v Speaker 2>time for her to like walk, it's too big of

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<v Speaker 2>a stage, and so she like lays down flat on

0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.520
<v Speaker 2>this thing and then it zooms her as she's laying

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<v Speaker 2>flat to her costume chain.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to the stage. I want to fucking bob sled.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's pretty fucking cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really cool. Yeah, but I was like, what if

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<v Speaker 2>I meet her? What if I Because you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's the SNL connect. That connect is kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the most celeb heavy because all the celebs love SNL

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're you know, they are like inspired by

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<v Speaker 2>the SNL cast. So that's always that's the degree, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's impressive. They're like writing shit day of

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<v Speaker 2>they're funny, you know, So yeah, I feel like celebs

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<v Speaker 2>love going there, and so that would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be the connect.

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<v Speaker 2>But I already had this fantasy like what well if

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<v Speaker 2>I what if I got to meet her and then

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<v Speaker 2>I told her about the sv podcast and then she

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<v Speaker 2>came on to I we got I was I was gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I have to email Casey. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>can we retroactively take things out listen? Because do you

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 2>know if she heard one thing, we'd be done. We'd

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>be in a song and we'd be done.

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<v Speaker 1>We never say do you think Taylor Swift has time

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to our podcast and to specifically find the

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<v Speaker 1>episode where we maybe said something not support.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I know she's busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say yes because now I've been watching YouTube

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>videos of ten minutes of Taylor being herself. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I watched a bunch of these compilations, and she watches

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us. She watches Law and Order and Dateline.

0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Dateline is like her favorite. Like she's a crime person

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<v Speaker 2>and she listens to other crime podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I think you should open with talking

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.440
<v Speaker 1>about our podcast, and then you know, if that conversation happens,

0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>we delete that episode. No, I would be like Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god.

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<v Speaker 2>You know our listeners make us friendship bracelets that are

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 2>SVU themed. I gotta give you one, and I'll always

0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:55.399
<v Speaker 2>just have them ready now, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you walking, you gotta have five of ourselves in

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket at all times.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm performing in Kansas City next June. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see get her there there, get her there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna go to Europe to go see her

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<v Speaker 2>because she's doing London two sets, five times. But she's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be in Toronto. I think I'm going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to do that instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo. Also, I was so bummed we didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>spend more time in Toronto because I was just talking

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<v Speaker 1>to our friend Allison, who said it's the best and

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<v Speaker 1>like was there for five days and said the shopping

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<v Speaker 1>is so good and we didn't even get to see anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's not even at the shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>Allison was posting the food she was eating, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked so good. I mean, I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>Toronto a few times, but she's like such a foodie

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<v Speaker 2>and the food that she posted.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get her there. We got to get back

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<v Speaker 1>there and spend more time.

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<v Speaker 2>But listen, remember the cookies that we were gifted the Nibs,

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<v Speaker 2>Creg's was it Craig's, Craig's cookies.

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<v Speaker 4>We liked Greg's cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with the Nibs, Yeah, the Twizzlers, Nibs's ass with

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<v Speaker 1>all of you.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're on the We are back on the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that what we're about to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was about to say. What I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say is if you like seeing a woman do three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half hours of NonStop songs on a tour,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna love two women sitting at a table doing

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<v Speaker 1>two hours of SVU commentary. And that's us. We're on

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<v Speaker 1>the road, finishing up the twenty twenty three tour. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>todaight today. This episode comes out on the twelfth tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in Sacramento. We have the best time in Sacramento

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<v Speaker 1>last time we came. Please come out, come see us again.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing obviously, we're doing a new episode. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the same, new games, new commentary, new outfits,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So come see us. New York. The six

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock show is officially sold out at City Winery, but

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<v Speaker 1>the nine o'clock show still has tickets. Come see us

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<v Speaker 1>it's the holiday season. I want to like pound eggnog

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and party with you guys. Let's do it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>on the seventeenth we're in Philadelphia and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>best last year too, So come back to Philly and

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<v Speaker 1>see us, and then we well, I guess we really

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<v Speaker 1>wrap it up on the seventh of January in Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>at the Wet City Comedy Fest. And originally when we

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<v Speaker 1>posted about this, you had to buy like a day pass,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that might have deterred people because you

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<v Speaker 1>had to buy a day pass to see all the comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>The new link is up at That's messed up live

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<v Speaker 1>dot com of where you can just buy a ticket

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<v Speaker 1>to just see us. We're doing a show in Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>that Sunday, the seventh aug six, doing stand up go

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<v Speaker 1>see her. So if you're gonna see Lisa and us,

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<v Speaker 1>it might make sense to buy the past. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like coming to see us, there's a separate ticket link,

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<v Speaker 1>but go see both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also I'm gonna we'll see hopefully i'll post about

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<v Speaker 2>it this week, but I'm gonna be in Boston at

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<v Speaker 2>the Crystal Ballroom, which is you know where Karen and

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<v Speaker 2>I both were, but it's like a bigger venue. So

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<v Speaker 2>come on and see me, and I'll be back in

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Louis, I think at the end of January, so

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be like a chilly fun time and a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of other things. Back in Chicago in March. Whatever I'll be,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be on the road, baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on.

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<v Speaker 2>Craig's Cookies. They have Ferrero Rochet cookies. Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>That's are you fucking kidding me? That's my favorite, Mini eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>They have many cookies they don't They don't ship outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Canada, pop Tart cookies, York Peppermint patty, are you ah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're in Toronto between now and New York and

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming to our New York show, you're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>our Philly show, please get bring us some Ferrera Roche

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<v Speaker 1>or Mini Eggs cookies and we will pay you back.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want that. If they don't shift to America.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I went to I was performing in

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<v Speaker 2>Winnipeg when Black Panther came out, So I went to

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<v Speaker 2>go see it by myself, and I got the kids

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<v Speaker 2>pack and the kids pack came with mini eggs. You

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<v Speaker 2>can get mini eggs at a movie theater in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. And you know, mini eggs are a

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<v Speaker 1>year round now because they do an autumn mix and

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<v Speaker 1>they do a Christmas mix.

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<v Speaker 2>They they crumbled to the pressure because what I always

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<v Speaker 2>respected about them was they weren't even after the holiday sale,

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<v Speaker 2>like they were taken off the shelves. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>we were just too ravenous. Yeah, you know, just too intent.

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<v Speaker 1>No, everyone just wants they're all after the profits now

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<v Speaker 1>in the candy world. But come see us live, that's

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<v Speaker 1>messed up. Live dot com is where all of our

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<v Speaker 1>dates are. And then yeah, message us and let us

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>know where you want to see us in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's places we haven't been or places you want

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<v Speaker 1>us to come back to, let us know. We obviously

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>want to get across the pond to the UK. We're dying,

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>So tell your friends let's build up our listenership there

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and so that we can't we can undeniably buy a

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<v Speaker 1>ticket across the Atlanta the Atlantic Ocean and.

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<v Speaker 2>See I read I saw something online that the Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean is more dangerous to fly over than the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>or something like I saw something that said, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta we gotta start.

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<v Speaker 4>We gotta start.

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<v Speaker 1>Casey has abandoned the flag and has shown us a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a crying face to let us know how

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<v Speaker 1>over our time we are. That makes sense though, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific's much bigger, isn't it. Yeah. They were like

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<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous flight you can take, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>something to Australia, and I was like, I've taken that flight.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess people don't like to fly over the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't really know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most of the times, I feel like, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that go down without a trace, it's the Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, my brother's in Japan right now, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's wish them all luck. Let's get started, guys. We

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<v Speaker 1>have an awesome episode for you today. Let's go today.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be doing a Misunderstanding, Season seventeen, episode twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's thrilling. We're in therapy, that's where we're opening.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson's talking about someone named Richard with a ruptured spleen

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<v Speaker 2>and internal bleeding and then a test and the therapist

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<v Speaker 2>interjects and is like, wait, the teenager was raped.

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<v Speaker 4>She confirms that it's going to be a long road

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<v Speaker 4>for this team.

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<v Speaker 2>But also the Joe, the ringleader of this attack with

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<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend, we're both serially abused as children.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, what the fuck's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>What they're talking about is the crime from last episode,

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<v Speaker 2>just one episode prior we will be doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>We're holding out for a guest. So that is what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's called the Townhouse incident, and it's a

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>home hostage situation and Benson gets stuck inside. Done done

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<v Speaker 2>the townhouse, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's telling her.

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<v Speaker 2>Therapists about the experience because she was held hostage in

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<v Speaker 2>there and it was like a fucking it. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>insane episode, honestly, and he had brain damage, the ringleader

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<v Speaker 2>of the crime. So it's an endless cycle of abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>And the therapist is like, well, why don't you just stop?

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<v Speaker 2>What would happen if you stop? And she says I

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<v Speaker 2>can't and he's like, yeah, you, but you just said

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>it's endless, and so like just stop, Like, I hate

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>this is the worst advice I've ever gotton. But she says,

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<v Speaker 2>I have hope and classics. She's like I'm fine. I

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even shot. I wasn't actually shot, so maybe a

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>bullet grazed her.

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<v Speaker 4>And she feels okay with.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and he's like, okay, how about nightmares and flashbacks

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, well, yeah, duh, but that's nothing new,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he changes the subjects and asks about Noah

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<v Speaker 2>and she says she can be let him out of

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<v Speaker 2>her sight.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all she could think about. It's all about Noah.

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<v Speaker 2>And he keeps trying to make her quit, and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to quit, and he's like, what no

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<v Speaker 2>one else can do what you do, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I am back because I am ready to be back,

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<v Speaker 2>and you need to fucking sign off on that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he listens to Texas Benson and we cut

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<v Speaker 2>to a high school hallway of students zipping around, the

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<v Speaker 2>lockers being shut, and then there's a girl and a

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<v Speaker 2>gay across the hallway making eyes at each other. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a guy, and I think my my Google

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<v Speaker 2>box changed it to gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is loving her outfit and he is

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<v Speaker 1>letting her know with his eyes. The girl in the

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>gay making eyes at each other. Oh yeah, maybe he's by,

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<v Speaker 1>But what we know is it's it's a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are sexual looks. They are sexual looks. Her name

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<v Speaker 2>is Abby. She has brown hair and a headband, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think headband means you're a loser.

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<v Speaker 4>And then her friend, I'm assuming it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A slut because she has very heavy makeup on and

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>like like rouged lips, like truly like an eighteen hundred's madam,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Like it's very intense makeup for a young team.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you recognize that this girl Abby was in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode Underbelly where like she runs away from home

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<v Speaker 1>and then she becomes friends with this pimp and he's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously trafficking her, and then but she keeps being like, no,

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>but I love him, and like Danny Beck's trying to

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>get her away from him, and she keeps like running

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>back to her pimp boyfriend who's like abusive to her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting because I don't remember that one in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>But last night I was watching a ton of season thirteen,

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and there's a similar story with Dominic Formosa's like the

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.239
<v Speaker 2>parent and he comes to get her girl, and she's like,

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>my pimp loves me, so it they do go back,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, they they have to hit the points again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they try to show the complexities of like

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>trafficking and like how girls get into the situations, because

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I think so many people think trafficking, as we've discussed

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, is like you're walking along the road

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>eating an ice cream cone with your friends and a

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>van picks you up and throws you in there and

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>like you're suddenly being turned out, you know, But it's

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's like a lot of times it's like, no,

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he makes me feel like I'm his girlfriend, and then

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like he's sharing me with his friends suddenly, and

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>then suddenly I'm working for him as a full time

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>sex worker, but not a sex worker who's doing it

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>on her own volition, like a child trafficked sex worker.

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting they do hit it a lot on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. But anyway, go on headband equals loser.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because like I said, I was watching season

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>thirteen and then I watched Theater Tricks. You know, an

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>actress is raped on stage and it's like who did it?

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 2>And it was like a third party not included in

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the emails, and that reminded me of that episode we

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>did with the monster. Oh yes, you know, like they

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>do every few years. There is kind of the touchstones,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>and but then sometimes it switches. Sometimes it's like, well,

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>he was sleeping, so it doesn't count. And then sometimes

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like he was drugged and blacked out, but he

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>needs to.

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 4>Serve his time.

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's that's funny where it's like it kind

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>of is a twist, but we love you, s for you.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I did not recognize Abby, but good for her playing

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like a young teen for years, because that was Underbelly

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 2>season eight, So that's wild. Yeah, that that's almost ten

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>years of acting like a child.

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 4>That's incredible.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, so it's the headband in the slut, and

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the slut is like, oh my god, Chris Roberts is

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>staring at you, and this Chris Roberts has like a

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Zach Morris hair style, but like a very baby face.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>It's clear he's a child, and this girl can't believe

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the senior is looking at her.

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 4>And the dudes around him are like, you better hit that, bro.

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>If you don't, we will unless you want the shot,

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and he's like no, no, sure, totally for sure, and the

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>girls run off laughing.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 4>We're in a cool classroom.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>And the kids are at one giant table like Arthur's Court,

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>so we know it's a rich school. And they're talking

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Romeo and Juliet two houses divided, and I don't think

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the first time we hear about

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that reference. Okay, and then a hand with delicate gold

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>rings sneaks her cellphone out from under her notebook.

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Chris is texting her.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>He asked her to the Solstice dance, which is really

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>funny for a private school to me, to have like

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>a moon dance. She is so pumped, and her slutty

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>friend sends Chris photos of her of her friend.

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>She's like abby pose. And then the parents are taking pictures.

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>It's dance time.

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>The parents are super supportive and cute, and the slut

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.479
<v Speaker 2>is in a low red cut dress. Low cut red dress,

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:45.719
<v Speaker 2>which red is that's the international color for slut?

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I don't mean yeah, your favorite red to a dance. Famously,

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I wore a red wet seal tight dress to my

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>uncle's wedding when I was eighteen because I thought that

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I did not know yet that that was the international

0:32:58.800 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>color for sluts.

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Well you know what it actually means. Even more, at

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a wedding. What I just learned this wearing red to

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a wedding means you had sex with the groom. No, yeah,

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I just learned that. But I guess it's like ex

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>girlfriends come wearing red. Oh shit, that is fucking that

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>is cool.

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that.

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>It's wild, you said, wet seal. There's someone on TikTok this.

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I went down a rabbit hole. She's like, I don't

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>know who cares. But she wore a thirty seven dollars

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>dress to her wedding from shean wow, but she looked incredible,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>like she but she said it did rip by the

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>end of the knight the butt was ripped. But it

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>worked out. So anyways, so Chris texts her, are you ah?

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what that means? Do you are

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you here? Are you here?

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Are you horny?

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 4>No? I don't know.

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Wait look it up to urban Yeah, go to urban

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:08.479
<v Speaker 1>Go to urban dictionary, baby, because like usually we get yeah,

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>are you horny? Are you?

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 4>It is are you horny?

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.879
<v Speaker 1>It's the first result. What does ruh mean? The first

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 1>result is an online slang term that means are you horny?

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Well that makes sense because then her friend in the

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 2>red says, that's good.

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 4>That means he's into you.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So then the sleept friend continues texting on Abby's phone.

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 2>They're together at this dance party, and he gives her

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a swig off his flask and it's a giant flask,

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Like the whole point of a flask is to be

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 2>secretive and their children at a dance. This flask is

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.800
<v Speaker 2>like you would buy it a country Western like gift.

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 4>It is giant. It is the size of a book.

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>You are not.

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a novelty. That's the word I couldn't think of.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Just so big. So they start making out and taking

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>sexy pictures of themselves kissing. He does it selfie style,

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>but she's loving it. She's loving the attention, giggling. He

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>asks her to go downstairs and it doesn't look like

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a school party, it looks like a home, and then

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>into a basement like I'm very confused.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 4>We learned later it's a dark room.

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the dance is happening on top of

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 2>the photography lab.

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Where are the chaperones? Why isn't it in a gym?

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm so confused.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, no dance, like our prom was somewhere else but

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Homecoming and turnabout was in the gym.

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but still we're at hotels. But but this is

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the Solstice dance. But the gym and my dark room

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>were opposite ends of the school. Like, there's just so

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 1>when I both went to public school, so private school

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>is like a different breed. I guess they're they're having

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>dances in their architecture suite or whatever. I don't know

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 1>where they're having dances, but you know it's not It just.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't look like a school to me.

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>But they go downstairs and you know, he's wearing flannel,

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 2>she's got her head band off for the night. They

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 2>aggressively make out and she does ask slow down and

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>not down there. He says sorry, She says not so hard,

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you're so hot, and she groans and

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>is like not into it in any way. She walks

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 2>home from the party and like a white winter coat

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.439
<v Speaker 2>with a fur fur around the hood. And my parents

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 2>would never let me buy a jacket like this. It

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.839
<v Speaker 2>had to cover my butt because to them, having your

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>back revealed in the winter is defeats the purpose of.

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>A coat, especially in Chicago. I was never allowed to

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>have a cute little coat. It had to be giant

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and under my butt. It had to.

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 4>But if you see my winterwear now it makes.

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Sense it had to be under my butt. It's devastating.

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I wanted a cropped little jacket from guests, you know,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>but but your little half it would have been frozen.

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I think your parents were looking out for you. Chicago.

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>The cold cuts through your cl it really does.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 2>But and it's Christmas time because we see in the

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>home when she enters, there's a gross tree behind her

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 2>parents and she you know, they ask her what's up.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>She goes, it's fine, and she's she's just tired, and

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>she runs upstairs and they're worried, but they think it's

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>okay to give their daughter some privacy. Her phone buzzes

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and the text is from Chris and it says great

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>time tonight and I'll see you Monday. She just writes K. Now,

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>that is aggressive and that means bad. Like the fact

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that this teen did not read into the K is bad.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that is aggressive. And if someone writes that to

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 2>me unless they're older, and then I'm like, they just

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know. So then there's a buzz again and Daniella,

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 2>her friend, wants details she slams the phone down in

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 2>a rage, punches her bed, snuggles with a fuzzy sheep

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>stuffed animal, and which I think is like a powerful

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>move direction wise, like yeah, to show that she's young,

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>and she just seems really stressed out. And it goes

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to the credits. So we're back and the cast is

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 2>like the photo. Benson has this stick straight long Bob's

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 2>center part and it's very sexy. So and Rollins is

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>having a baby, so she's holding the baby. Now she

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>had the baby, and so she's holding the baby and

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>there's blooms and Dodd's creasy, Finn and Benson are all

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>into seeing the baby and they all start talking about

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Amanda like she's not standing there, and they're like talking

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>about different options for maternity leave and she could do

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>this or my sister had that and this and that,

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and she just goes shut up, like stop to So

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 2>then Rita Calhoun aka Elizabeth Marvel runs in in a

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 2>rush and you got and she just goes, you got

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>a minute, Benson, and then she sees the baby and goes, wow,

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.399
<v Speaker 2>a baby and does not care.

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. It's like great, It's a great fucking line.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 2>It's just so telling about our and Benson's like, wow, Okay.

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>So they go in the office. She's representing a fifteen

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>year old freshman. Her name is Abby Stewart and she's

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the victim, and that's on z Olivia. She of course

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>assumed that she was defending a teen rapist. She goes,

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 2>what is this penance for representing a serial killer? She goes, damn,

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you're still gonna hold that against me and I and

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson says yes. And I looked on the wiki and

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I looked at the list of her clients and I

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>couldn't really pinpoint which one it was.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Carl Rudnick that makes it.

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's yeah, it's.

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Carl Rudnick from that double episode with the Yeah, the

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Devil's dis sections and the criminal pathology.

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's what we're talking about here. And then

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth doesn't care about like she knows what she does

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>for money, she doesn't care. She's just like, listen, my

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 2>good friend from school from her youth, like they went

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to this board like fancy school together. She goes, her

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>daughter Abby was raped at a school dance last Friday.

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>They went to their local priestinct who told them there's

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>no case, and Benson goes, well, that's how they keep

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.280
<v Speaker 2>their rape stat slow. And she's known Abby since birth

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and she's not making this up, but like, you know,

0:39:57.719 --> 0:39:58.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's classmates.

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 4>She willingly went down to make out with him.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>There was consensual foreplay, and Benson goes, none of that matters,

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you know that, Rita, And she sighs, like knowing that

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 2>that's something she would use to help get her rapists off.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>But it's tough. It's a late disclosure and there's no

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>rape kit.

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>But the maid did see Abby's dress with stain and

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 2>showed it to her mom, and that's come and that's

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>how the story got out. And Abby's so introverted, she

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>was a virgin and she asks Benson to meet with

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>her and she says, of course. So we're at the

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.439
<v Speaker 2>house and the mom to Benson goes, well, Rita says,

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 2>you're the best, and Benson goes yes. But also, this

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>case is complicated, and Careesi explains the next steps to

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the parents. We're gonna need statements, we need access to

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Abby's friends and social media, and we need the dress.

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 4>And this is very Lewinsky of it.

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 1>All, why did.

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Lewinsky's friend fuck her over just for clout? Was it

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Linda Tripp that like gave the dress away? Like what

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the fuck?

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Kind of yeah, I mean, like honestly, like I only

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:58.800
<v Speaker 1>know what I know of this from watching the Beanie

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Feldstein Sarah Paulson, like you know, dramatized version of it.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>But like the way that you that they characterized Linda

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Tripp was that she felt she was a lot more

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>important that she was, and she constantly kept getting like

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>demoted and moved because people found her annoying. Like and

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>so like Monica Lewinsky, that's like this little girl like

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>like having sex with like the most powerful man in

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 1>the world, like that like annoyed her. It feels like

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>like she thought she was like doing the right thing

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>for the presidency, Like she had to like defend what

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>was correct, and I think she thought it would make

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 1>her a big She thought being a big whistleblower would

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 1>like make her important, and it honestly got her like

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.800
<v Speaker 1>fully ridiculed, like Saturday Night Live sketches like the worst.

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like John Goodman played her in a Saturday

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Live sketch, like she did not get a good look

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>out of this.

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we're talking Washington politics and how to go

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>up the ladder, I don't think revealing affairs is the

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 2>way to do it.

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>No one really wants that because they're all cheating on

0:41:58.280 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>their wives.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>So like, well, you know what I mean, Like for

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>her to be like this will get me in with

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the guys is like really so stupid.

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think she she might have thought that,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like she might have been a Republican

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and been like, get Bill Clinton out of here. I mean,

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 1>like my parents hated Bill Clinton, you know, and so

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 1>like maybe she was like from that camp and was like,

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>get this guy out of here. He's a piece of trash.

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 1>But I think, honestly, when don't you boil it down,

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>she did it all for attention?

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 4>Fuck changed.

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess Monica's a good friend.

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The other time I remember, come on, r Dress was

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the movie The Sweetest Thing? Is that Something That's important

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>to you?

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>No? That movie?

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Really it's Cameron Diaz, Selma Blair and Christina Applegate and

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Camber Diaz has so much come work in her repertoire,

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>like the something about Harry. Yes, that's another thing I

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't get that as a kid, I had no idea

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>what was going on.

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're like, why does her hair look so wacky?

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:57.919
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what were you doing in there?

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I was a little bit older than you when that.

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm always a little bit older than you, but I

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>was older than you when that movie came out, So

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I got it. But that's so funny because you were

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>probably like me watching Dirty Dancing, like what's happening?

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>No, but there's a whole dance number after Somema Blair

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 2>has like jizz on the dress. They all meet it

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 2>at this Chinese restaurant and they sing a song called

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.760
<v Speaker 2>It's Too Big to Fit in Here, like a full

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>musical number about a big dick in a Chinese restaurant.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 2>But some versions the song isn't in it, so you

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>have to like find the right version with the song.

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But it is crazy. They're all like doing solos. It's wild.

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 2>That's insane. Oh my gosh, it's a really fun movie.

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>We should watch it, Yeah, we should. It's really a

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>fun Maybe we know we have a frozen pizza left

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that Casey got us for last Christmas. Maybe we can, Oh,

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>we do. She fucking had it with all her family.

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I haven't even had a piez.

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's have a little pizza party.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or do we watch a horror movie in honor

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 2>of Casey when they first came in?

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 4>Are they still good? Of course it's frozen pizza.

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess so. No, they was good, especially like yeah,

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>like in the oven where you put it right onto

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing so that it's crispy on the bottom, Like

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't put it on a pan. You put it

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:14.959
<v Speaker 1>right onto the grate.

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 2>That's the whole point of having frozen pizza. It's like

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 2>you keep it in there until you're so depressed and

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 2>sad that you make it.

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, Lisa, he sent three. I just checked

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the other day. There's only one left, so I guess

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 1>we ate two. Sorry, but you'll third one.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I thought I only ate one and we had

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>two left. But the last one's for you for sure.

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you have to watch movies that I make

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you watch. Maybe I'll make you watch The Human Centipede

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to punish you.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 1>No, no, please, Okay, So we got to talk to Abby.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 4>We're back.

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>We went on a com dress tangent. We brought up

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the pizzas and.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Now we're back and we have to talk to Abby without.

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>The parents, and Rita is like, yeah, we're all aware.

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>And so we're in the girl room and let's just

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.359
<v Speaker 2>say the housekeeper is dressed in chill clothing, which means

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 2>this is some old money shit.

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, she's wearing jeans and a little blue top.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Abby explains she's known Chris for years and they're in

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.320
<v Speaker 2>drama club together, but not really friends, like he didn't

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>notice her until a couple of weeks ago and started

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 2>texting her, and she said it was flirty for sure.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 2>And Rita interrojects, we have the texts, and Abby says

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.240
<v Speaker 2>she sees him in school and they've communicated and say hi,

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>but she she didn't know what else to do, and

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.399
<v Speaker 2>she's wiping away tears. The parents are with Careesy downstairs.

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 2>The mom knew something was wrong because usually she comes

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>home and wants to talk after going out, but she

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 2>went straight to her room and Pillar is the savior

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 2>who found the dress, and she's such a whore she

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>knew immediately what it was.

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love like kids have stains on their clothes

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Pilar's like, this has come, Like this

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>is fucking come.

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 4>And after the mom asks about the dress.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>She shared what happened, and it cuts back to abby

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 2>they were making. He asked to go somewhere private, and

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I liked him and I wanted him to

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.240
<v Speaker 2>like me. And Rita in a way we've never seen before,

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 2>is like, that's normal. You can want to kiss a boy,

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean you want more. So he took her

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 2>to the school darkroom, and that's where people go to

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 2>hook up. So I guess people just go to this

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>dark room to hook up in school hours, like this

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 2>school is wild, and he puts his hands under her dress.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 2>She said she got nervous, and Benson's like, what did

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 2>you say? Did you say stop? She goes yes, and

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.479
<v Speaker 2>he didn't listen, and he pushed me against a wall

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and she felt him get excited and pulled down her

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:34.919
<v Speaker 2>underwear but so use his fingers, but he was so young.

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 2>He tried to rape her and was grinding on her

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and she couldn't move or speak, So I guess she

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't say no, but she certainly didn't say yes, and

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really getting in and he kept saying she

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 2>was so hot, and then he came on her dress,

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>so she doesn't understand why Chris would do that to her.

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.439
<v Speaker 4>So we have to go talk to Chris. And he's

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 4>old money too.

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>There's big leather chairs, there's a library, and he says,

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we visited one of your friends mom homes

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 2>in Boston, and let me tell you that little library

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:04.720
<v Speaker 2>with leather chairs they had.

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 4>That was a dream. That was a dream.

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I well that that family is connected to the true crime.

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>They'll come up later, this true crime. Are you kidding me? Yeah,

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 1>not not directly connected, but I'll let you know.

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 4>What are the chances that I would bring them up.

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. I can't believe it.

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I this this house has so many sitting areas,

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 2>but the leather. I just I think I want an

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.439
<v Speaker 2>old timey library with leather chairs, I really do. It's

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>not gonna match the rest of my dream home in

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 2>my mind, but yeah, it's gonna have.

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>A little dark corner, a little like chowchkeys, a corn stool,

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>like cool, all this cool like modern shit. And then

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like this old ass leather book reading room. I agree.

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>It's just like sexy to me, Like I just love

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the idea of curling up in a big leather, dark chair.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Those green lamps and like, I just like it.

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I'm sure it's SVU influenced, to

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 2>be honest. So he says her and Abby are friends

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and they went to the dance together, and Dods and

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Finn are like, so, tell us what happened. And the

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 2>mom is like, well, what exactly is she saying that happen?

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.239
<v Speaker 2>And this bitch you're gonna hate throughout the whole episode,

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>like she is what is wrong with like womanhood in

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the world.

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.919
<v Speaker 4>Like this character, this mom.

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, we want to hear your son's side,

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 2>And there's a white haired dad with a tie and

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 2>he goes sides he hasn't done anything wrong, and it's

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 2>like you don't even fucking know.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>You don't know he.

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Could have truly buried a body and evidence everywhere, Like

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you have no idea?

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Why are you slightly saying he did nothing wrong?

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's this like hashtag boy mom, like my son

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>can do no wrong. Shit where It's like, I know

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 1>my son didn't do anything wrong. It's like, have you

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>ever sat down and had a conversation with your son

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>about consent? Because I bet you you definitely haven't, Like

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, what I mean, But I just know in

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 1>my heart of hearts, there's no way he did anything wrong. Like,

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 1>how do you know?

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like your husband's an asshole. What makes you

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 4>think your son's not gonna be a dick?

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a good person. I've shoplifted, I've done, I've

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.359
<v Speaker 1>done you know, like I've done bad things. It doesn't

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:11.320
<v Speaker 1>mean you're a bad person.

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 2>So the detectives are like, well, there's no harm in

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 2>telling us about it. Then if he's done nothing wrong,

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.720
<v Speaker 2>So he talks. He says him and Abby were dancing,

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 2>they made out a little and she was into it,

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and Finn goes anything else. He brings up the dark room,

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 2>which is code for and he won't even say it,

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>but they were fooling around, and it's like, if you

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.879
<v Speaker 2>can't even say out loud that it's like a room

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 2>for fucking, maybe you shouldn't be fucking. Detectives say that

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 2>something happened that she did not want to happen. Then

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the mom is like, wait, is this girl making a

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 2>rape allegation?

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 4>And he is like that is so not true. We

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 4>didn't even have sex.

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, okay, well, then give us a DNA

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 2>sample and the dad gets so fucking cocky and says,

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 2>do you have a warrant? And Finn takes it out

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of his pocket. Yeah, we do.

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean I that was the best. The mom's like,

0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, fuck.

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 2>And then it's hitting them that this is real, like real,

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.839
<v Speaker 2>and the dad said, you should have told us. We're

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 2>calling a lawyer, and the boys like, nothing happen, and ma,

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the mom is like, like, Kara said, such a boy.

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Mom and says, I know how girls are. And she

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 2>overheard her daughter and her friends talking about how they

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>would accuse a boy of rape if he didn't call

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 2>them back. And it's like, well, if your daughter is

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 2>such a shitty person, why do you think your son isn't.

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't get it. You obviously aren't doing

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a good job raising your children. Dodds, I'll tea then.

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm not like a I'm not like as

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>young maybe as the kids in this, but like, I've

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.439
<v Speaker 1>never in my life had that conversation with someone. I've

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>never heard somebody be like I'm just gonna cry rape

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and see what happened, you know, like never in my life. Never.

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 4>Dodds doesn't bite.

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.760
<v Speaker 2>He says, well, we have a worm for the DNA,

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>so let's start there and then we can take them

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 2>down to the station if you want, Like, what's your call?

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 4>The boy starts to finally look worried.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Benson is in a powder blue jacket and is like,

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 2>fill me in, guys, and we're at the priestinct. Dodds

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 2>is like he's privileged but not arrogant, and obviously baby

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Dodds has been on the podcast We Love Andy Carl.

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>The eyebrows are crazy, they are they are silly eyebrows.

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 4>And I can't look at anything else.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>And then his dad is the opposite style of brow,

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.720
<v Speaker 2>like this guy is very early two thousands.

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 4>I've overplucked.

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 1>And then the dad is like, I have five sets

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.359
<v Speaker 1>of eyebrows per eyebrow, and I don't know how they're

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>in one family, and we're all rebelling against our parents

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in some way, right, Yeah, that's how he was, like,

0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm not gonna have bushy brows like

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Cohen. I'm gonna fucking weed these babies.

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 2>So this boy has no record and he's waiting on

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>early decision from Stanford and seems genuinely surprised. By the allegation,

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:47.359
<v Speaker 2>so it's a walk and talk formation. Benson says, well,

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a classic teen he said. She said, Dodds

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.280
<v Speaker 2>is like, are more like his parent versus her parents?

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Honestly.

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Benson gets a ping on her cellphone and he's like, wait,

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 2>he put himself in the dark room with her, and

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 2>they're like, yes, but said nothing really happened besides petting,

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and Benson says, well, he's lying.

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 4>The jis is a match for Chris. That's what the

0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 4>phone was. The Jesus is a match.

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Put it on a T shirt.

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.919
<v Speaker 2>DoD still defends him, and then Cariese says, well, Chris

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.240
<v Speaker 2>posted photos on his social media with the hashtat picked

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that Cherry gross with a pick of them kissing, and

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's fronting on socials or did it happen?

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>And the picks also look like she's not complaining, So

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 2>all in all, it's messy for everybody. Benson wants to

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 2>bring them all in violins play and we open on

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Benson near the vending machine with Rita Calhoun, who's like, hey, babe,

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 2>heard there was a semen match. Arrest him, and Benson asks,

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.320
<v Speaker 2>where did you hear that from and she goes, I didn't,

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 2>but you just confirmed it, Like Rita, I would hire her.

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I always changed my answer. But I think

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm hiring her. I think I'm hiring her. If I

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 2>did it, I'm hiring her. On She's the best in

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the business to trick Benson like that, Like that's incredible.

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Benson's a noise and it's like, come on, Rita, you

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:07.399
<v Speaker 2>know you don't have all an all access pass here.

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And then Barba's here and he's waiting for Benson and

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 2>he sees Rita and is like, oh, you're defending a

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>little rape boy.

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:14.800
<v Speaker 4>And she's like, no, the girl.

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh, you take money from both sides.

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.759
<v Speaker 2>He says, never change, and I like love that, And

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.839
<v Speaker 2>she has a smirto like she likes that.

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 4>And Barbara reminds.

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, should we like start Barbara Marvel, I

0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:33.240
<v Speaker 1>mean Barbara Calhoun? Should we start like Barhoon? Fan fiction

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 1>like goes two getting together, just like Buck Powerhouse, Like

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>they fight against each other in the courthouse and they

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 1>go home and bang it out.

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I bet I honestly, I'm seeing it.

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 4>I needed a minute. But now I'm seeing it.

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>They would have they would like be putting each other

0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>down intellectually the whole time too, maybe in a leather chair.

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny.

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of you have been making us

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 2>friendship bracelets and I'm obsessed. And someone gave me a

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>LOOKI lou one both of us.

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And I went, oh my god, how did you know?

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 1>This is amazing? And she's like, you begged for it

0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, I got it, got it.

0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:15.840
<v Speaker 4>But I'm wearing it right now.

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I love them, and I have a shout out to

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>where Toronto is where we got a big bunch of them.

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Right well, there was a girl who made one hundred

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 2>and three bracelets, so then she ended up giving it

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of people sitting next to her too,

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.360
<v Speaker 2>So it was really in the spirit of Taylor and

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I loved it.

0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And the one of my favorites is ones that says

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Mother's Juice, which if you will recall, is from our

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.919
<v Speaker 1>very first episode Bully, and is such a deep cut

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and so genius, Like I need some of you to

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>be in the room when we're trying to come up

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.399
<v Speaker 1>with merch ideas, because you're all very smart and funny, but.

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.799
<v Speaker 2>You pay attention to detail well, because you remember more

0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 2>because you're listening because a lot like sometimes people will

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh and then you said this, and I'm

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 2>like when where Yeah, I have what was the contak

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.280
<v Speaker 2>so much on a given week?

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:05.479
<v Speaker 1>It really is so much. So Barbara, bar oh my god,

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I did it.

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 2>So Barbara reminds her, oh my god. And we have

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to mention the Minneapolis T shirts where it said Barbara

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 2>or Barbara with an art crossed out and then below

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it said Stabler with a bee crossed out with a

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 2>P next to it. So it was like, Barbara, Yeah,

0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the creativity, I I it's just incredible. So I mean,

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.879
<v Speaker 2>do we mention the wildest thing that we got. It

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 2>was a paper a brown paper evidence bag in Minnesota.

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>You open it, there's a white little rag.

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 1>You open it, it is a bowl for weed that

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>is ceramic shaped like a pinky for Martha plimpton sister's

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 1>pinky yes from the episode Denial where she's carrying around

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.360
<v Speaker 1>her little sister's pink finger in her bag.

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 2>And then you check the evidence bag and the information

0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 2>is all fully written out like the victims everything.

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And she made me a mug that was a dick

0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and a wolf and a baby. Because Lisa got to

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>keep the finger bowl, so I got the cool mug.

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got the thing.

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:13.759
<v Speaker 1>The girl poked out of that finger bowl and it

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:14.319
<v Speaker 1>works great.

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>It saved our lives because in Salt Lake City someone

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 2>gave us weed. I ran out of all my joints,

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'm always trying to actively quit, so I'm always like, oh, yeah,

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 2>i'll finish, I'll finish the joint. I'll be fine. And

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 2>then I get so stressed. And we only had like

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 2>weed with no bowl. And then this pinky bowl came

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 2>into our lives and it's like we are witches, we manifest.

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.200
<v Speaker 2>There's actually a tailor thing now where they call her

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a sorcerer and like because in Argentina she was singing

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and then a lyric about a plane and then a

0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>plane truly went.

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 1>By wow, and she wrote a plane in the sky

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>as you're singing the lyric that is wild, Like you

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 1>should watch it, you should watch it.

0:56:58.120 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Go fuck yourself.

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm the mark. I don't give a shit. I called

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:02.799
<v Speaker 2>her our, you know, my best friend. I was like,

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.239
<v Speaker 2>she goes, whatever you doing. I'm like, honestly just fantasizing

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 2>about like Travis and Taylor. I can't think about anything else.

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.279
<v Speaker 2>My life is a mess. It's taken over. And she goes,

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 2>it's not real and you're an idiot, and I'm like,

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't I'd rather be an idiot. She goes, I

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 2>could care less about this, and then she said, oh yay,

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I got all my cool, all my fans are now

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 2>spending all their money on football.

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 4>That's where it should go.

0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Gurlees by Chief Skier and then like the name of

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the team is so fucked too, It's like.

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It could be all fake.

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean the concert, like it's all I've I'm this

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is old, this is coming out.

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry.

0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 2>So Barbara reminds her like, babe, you know you can't

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 2>be privy to this info at either. That was a stutter,

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and so then Buchanan walks in, oh god, these are

0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 2>some heavy hitters.

0:57:57.360 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 4>Going up like this is not good.

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 2>He's defending the boy and he's like, oh, rita, baby girl,

0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm alone this time. It was really fun working with

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you last time. And she goes, no, I'm actually just

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 2>with the girl, and he goes, E gross victim advocacy

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that can't pay well, and she goes it's pro bo.

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 1>No, not all of us have to worry about our

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 1>next meal. And then she looks him up and down.

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Definitely a fat shame, I know, but he deserves it.

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And that was hot. That was fun. I love it.

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I love it. It's like so real housewives. And Barba's like, wow,

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 2>getting personal. I love it. Benson says, Rita was just leaving,

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 2>and then Rita's like, I'll be down the block. I'm

0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>waiting for you, and Buchanan goes, don't worry, this won't

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.520
<v Speaker 2>take long. Twenty minutes in and you will realize you

0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>have no case, and he skips off. So the whole

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 2>family is in the cement room bars with Buchanan, who's like, listen, guys,

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>he is not experienced and he just early, so nothing

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 2>happened and they're like, well, not according to Instagram, and

0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the dad goes, well, he was just trying to impress

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 2>his friends. And all the adults are talking and the

0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 2>teen boys against the wall like in a music video,

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>very in sync, like he's just really pining, and they're like, listen, boy,

0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 2>why would she accuse you of rape? And Buchanan's like, well,

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>why would he know that? And the mom goes, the

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>girl is obviously lying, and Finn is like, well, why

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.439
<v Speaker 2>don't we let Chris talk, and Buchanan goes, I'm here

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>to talk for him, thank you very much. Chris is

0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 2>shocked and him and Abby are friends, and he pops

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 2>out with his phone and says, look, Abby still thinks

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 2>we are And there are text messages that are damning.

0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 2>She legit wrote. I don't know why this is happening.

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I like you, I hope you're not mad at me.

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 2>See she's fine. So the spy room crew is like,

0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>this is not good. So Barbara runs off and says,

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 2>call your friend.

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Calhoun.

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, I mean, she's not my friend. You know,

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 2>they're also professional. I guess that's why I like all

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:56.400
<v Speaker 2>this shade and ribbing. It's like, you know, it makes

0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 2>them more human, like they actually are people that are

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.360
<v Speaker 2>working together all the time. And so the Chris crew

1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>is well, and this is oh yeah, never mind. So

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the Chris crew is walking outside the station steps and

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the mom chuckles and says, damn. I never thought i'd

1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.520
<v Speaker 2>say thank God for texting, And the dad is like,

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm tempted to send that girl's family my legal bill

1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara walks in and has words with Buchanan, and

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.120
<v Speaker 2>he says, I assume this is the last we'll be

1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:25.440
<v Speaker 2>talking on this manner, and Barba says, like, just we

1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:28.560
<v Speaker 2>will be in touch, and Buchanan smiles. Rita's they're waiting

1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:30.600
<v Speaker 2>for him, and Barba's like, Babe, we have a problem.

1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like, nuhuh, we're on and it's nothing that hasn't

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.080
<v Speaker 2>happened before. And Barba's like, yes, but if you were

1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:38.280
<v Speaker 2>that boy's attorney, you would be ripping her to shreds.

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:39.720
<v Speaker 4>And they argue about the.

1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Text and her disposition and go back and forth, like

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.520
<v Speaker 2>she answered the text and she did not start any

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of them.

1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:47.640
<v Speaker 4>And it's because like what do you do? Do you unfriend?

1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Do you block?

1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Like there's school, there's a lot of layers, and like

1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I hate that we ignore all the nuanced and all

1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the stuff in your brain when something traumatic happens to

1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you and use it against the person.

1:00:57.800 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 4>And it really bothers me.

1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:01.160
<v Speaker 2>And I really love what they said in the cement

1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>room where it was like, well, why do you think

1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 2>she thinks she was raped them?

1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:05.240
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Like you are like if everything was like peachy, like

1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:11.240
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about?

1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 1>And Barbara like, I don't want to say that this

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:16.520
<v Speaker 1>kid should get away with anything, but it didn't really

1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:19.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like anybody spoke to the daughter about like is

1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:20.920
<v Speaker 1>this what you want to do? Do you want to

1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:22.920
<v Speaker 1>like take this to court? Do you want because when

1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:24.520
<v Speaker 1>she's saying something like to him, I don't know why

1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:26.720
<v Speaker 1>this is happening. I feel like it's because she feels

1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.200
<v Speaker 1>like her parents and the other parents have just sort

1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:31.840
<v Speaker 1>of like swept up and taken over this whole thing,

1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:34.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's just happened so fast she hasn't had time

1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:37.919
<v Speaker 1>to process, and like a ton of victims, you mean,

1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:48.600
<v Speaker 1>like the Romeo and Juliet's families. Oh interesting. Barbara's like

1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I get it. But the jury and she's like, he

1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:53.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking raped her. And then it's like, have you talked

1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to any of her friends or anyone else at the dance?

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.080
<v Speaker 1>So finally they talked to the classmates. It's really wild

1:01:58.080 --> 1:01:58.760
<v Speaker 1>they haven't before.

1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.640
<v Speaker 2>So they go to the slut and she's like, everyone

1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.040
<v Speaker 2>knows the dark room is where you have sex. Once

1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:07.040
<v Speaker 2>you go down there, you can't change your mind. And

1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:09.320
<v Speaker 2>this is like the mom at a younger age, like

1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:12.320
<v Speaker 2>they're the same person. Yeah, and Caresee's there to be like,

1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:16.640
<v Speaker 2>actually you can Daniella at any time, and she's like,

1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.760
<v Speaker 2>well maybe, but Abby didn't. And she's like are you

1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:21.720
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with Chris? Like what the fuck is going on?

1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.720
<v Speaker 2>So Carisy asked, do you think she's lying? And she's like,

1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but she could just be mad that

1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Chris didn't ask her out. Again, Finn and Dodds are on.

1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.919
<v Speaker 1>The football field and all the football.

1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Players think this is unfair and that she was asking

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:36.840
<v Speaker 2>for it, and he doesn't want to bad mouth her,

1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.320
<v Speaker 2>but she's just trying to get attention. One of the

1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:42.080
<v Speaker 2>footballers walk away, but they follow like why are you

1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:42.680
<v Speaker 2>walking away?

1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Did you go down there too?

1:02:43.800 --> 1:02:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And Dodds is like, you know, she's only fifteen and

1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.720
<v Speaker 2>you're eighteen, and he's like, whoa, I did not touch her,

1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and Dodds goes, but Chris did, so tell us what

1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you know or we're calling your parents, and then Finn

1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:56.760
<v Speaker 2>threatens to call Notre Dame and so he agrees to talk.

1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Chris needed a name on his list.

1:02:59.520 --> 1:02:59.959
<v Speaker 1>What list?

1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:03.640
<v Speaker 2>So there's a secret society of seniors and it's a

1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Latin name but translated it's called the Cherry Pickers Club

1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's a competition to see how many virgins you

1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:11.919
<v Speaker 2>can bang. And everyone had a name on the list

1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:15.200
<v Speaker 2>except for Chris. And that's the thing. And like this

1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:18.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of conversation really happened for me a lot after

1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the Azaz article came out years ago, where it's like,

1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.080
<v Speaker 2>but that's not and this and that, and it's like, honestly,

1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.240
<v Speaker 2>if we're not even thinking rape or not, like just

1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.080
<v Speaker 2>this idea alone, and this is the framework you think

1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:31.320
<v Speaker 2>of sex and women and how they're included in the

1:03:31.360 --> 1:03:36.960
<v Speaker 2>conversation of sex is already like rape adjacent, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like your plan is just a mass

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<v Speaker 2>virgins and bang them without any regard for them as

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<v Speaker 2>humans and to trick them into doing so. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why that is not unethical, Like why guys

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<v Speaker 2>don't see like that is wrong? Or some of these

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<v Speaker 2>women like Daniella and the blonde mom. I guess they're

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<v Speaker 2>both blonde moms.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, I mean it's yeah, it's toxic masculinity and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, misogyny that's like fully baked in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the girls have it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like you're not treating women as people at all

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<v Speaker 2>but objects for a thing like your goal, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all these women are having these experiences being like fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>like this sucks, and then when you talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like no one broke the law, and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not talking about do you want to talk to your

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<v Speaker 1>son about the fact that he like has a list?

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<v Speaker 1>And like, you know this gets this is so this

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<v Speaker 1>episode is so close to the real case. I really

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to tell you, Okay, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Try to be faster.

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<v Speaker 2>And so because I am, I can't believe I it

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<v Speaker 2>might be like that we know, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>we're connected a little bit. Not that I was happy

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<v Speaker 2>that a mass murderer came through Stokey, but it did feel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that I got to talk about something I

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<v Speaker 2>remember from my childhood. And it's a competition to see

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<v Speaker 2>how many virgins you can bang. We discussed that, and

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<v Speaker 2>so everyone had a name on the list except for

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Done Done. So it's behind a O'Neal style portrait

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all written in marker and penn straight on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm sure the school knows about it too.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's just so much evidence, and Chris only has

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<v Speaker 2>one name listed and it's Abby and it's there, so

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<v Speaker 2>he can't deny anything. So Barbara and Benson are having

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<v Speaker 2>a work session and they're like, damn, he did this

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<v Speaker 2>to get his name on a wall.

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<v Speaker 4>This is so fucked up. And this is also his friend.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't a stranger, this is someone he says that

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<v Speaker 2>he is friends with. That is how little regard he

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<v Speaker 2>has for her as a human and still believes he's

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<v Speaker 2>done nothing wrong. Chrisy is not using the list as

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<v Speaker 2>evidence since it's out, like it outs to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of teenagers, and they don't want the list to go public.

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<v Speaker 4>So now they're in fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all disagreeing about like should they should they expose

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<v Speaker 2>the list?

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<v Speaker 4>Should they not?

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<v Speaker 2>And basically they're like, he didn't think he did anything

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<v Speaker 2>wrong when we got there, and Benson's like, he lied

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<v Speaker 2>to your fucking faces and you're stupid, and Dodds leans

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<v Speaker 2>in and says, well, she lied too when we asked

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<v Speaker 2>about her texting him, and so they're both kind of lying,

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<v Speaker 2>and so what do we do now. Benson thinks the

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<v Speaker 2>kid is good for it, but the trial might be hard,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe let's sit both families down and try to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out a plea. The girl's mom is not into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara wants sexual misconduct, no jail time, but his name's

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<v Speaker 2>on the registry.

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<v Speaker 4>And so while the adults are.

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<v Speaker 2>Discussing it, Abby sneaks down the stairs to listen, and

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<v Speaker 2>the dad says, he raped my daughter and he should

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<v Speaker 2>go to prison, and Barbara goes, we're all upset about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Abby, but putting her on the stand

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<v Speaker 2>and going through a trial might not get us the

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<v Speaker 2>conviction we want. And Rita goes, and that's a good point,

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<v Speaker 2>because the press is going to be all over this.

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<v Speaker 2>Abby hops out from spying and goes the press. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>at school's whispering about me, laughing at me, like my

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<v Speaker 2>life is over. Everyone hates me. I wish I never

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<v Speaker 2>said anything, and she runs up the stairs. The mom

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Barbara and he says sorry as she glares

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<v Speaker 2>at him, and he says, this is all I could do.

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<v Speaker 2>Rita says, we'll take the misconduct, but he better go

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<v Speaker 2>on the registry. So obviously, the boy's parents are like,

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<v Speaker 2>no registry, no deal, no offer, like there's nothing, and

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara goes that's the best deal I can do. Your

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<v Speaker 2>son would avoid publicity and a trial. And the mom

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<v Speaker 2>has a good point that he will be put on

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<v Speaker 2>a list of piles and rapists, So like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's not a she doesn't see a good

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<v Speaker 2>option for her, and then she goes, well what about college?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, I don't know what about Abby's college?

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<v Speaker 2>What about Abby's how she's going to be doing because

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<v Speaker 2>she just got raped by someone that she thought was

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<v Speaker 2>a friend and was excited that he liked her, and

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<v Speaker 2>now she has to go her whole life being traumatized

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<v Speaker 2>by this moment. And we're worried about his college cool

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<v Speaker 2>and Buchanan's all about Stanford and also I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>can't have a smartphone and if you're on the registry,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did not know about, and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that would that would complicate life? That was that still

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<v Speaker 2>a thing? I don't think they would make that up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess this is from like five six years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But not like not having maps, not having all these things,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's right, like I'm thinking maps.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly, there are so many things now that like there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many things where it's like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>download the app. It depends on the conditions of your

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<v Speaker 1>probation or supervisor released. Sometimes you are permitted to have

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<v Speaker 1>a cell phone, but you were quite required to install

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring sof so that your agent can be aware if

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<v Speaker 1>you're accessing social networking, pornography, et cetera. That's according to

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<v Speaker 1>this website called AVO.

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<v Speaker 4>Like my very.

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<v Speaker 1>First Google result, Yeah, but why and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>state to state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that would change your life drastically, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing to have to admit, but your life would be

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<v Speaker 2>very different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the parents are like, we'd consider endangering the welfare

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<v Speaker 2>of a child, and Barba goes registry or nothing. Buchanan goes,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, we know what this was. It's a misunderstanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a drink, take a hit, hit your kid, no JK.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what can you do?

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a substance if you're sober, And then for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason that came out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 4>But I regret it. You know, have a lick of sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>Barba's like, straight up, she is fifteen, so that is

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<v Speaker 2>automatically misconduct. Buchanan brings up Romeo and Juliet exception. Not

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<v Speaker 2>if you forced her. So Buchanan goes, that's just what

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<v Speaker 2>she said after the fact. Well, yeah, you can't say

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<v Speaker 2>it during the fact, like if it's happened, like of

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<v Speaker 2>course you say it after Barbara's overrant is like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I've offered you no prison time If you say no,

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<v Speaker 2>your son is convicted.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what he's looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>And the mom screams, but he didn't do anything wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and Barba says, Chris, is this what you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to trial? He's like, fuck, and everyone's gonna know

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<v Speaker 2>who I am. And Barbara goes, as soon as you're

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<v Speaker 2>arrested and charged, your name goes public and any time

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<v Speaker 2>anyone googles you for the rest of your life, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what will come up. The dad says, don't threaten

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<v Speaker 2>my son, and this girl is slandering him and we

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<v Speaker 2>need to fight this. Chris seems stressed, so he asks

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<v Speaker 2>what if he says sorry to Abby and her family

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<v Speaker 2>and the parents scream at him. They're like, you have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to be sorry for, and this is again a

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<v Speaker 2>great episode about psycho boy moms. So they leave. Christiem's conflicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Buchanan says, we caught onto your bluff and if you

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<v Speaker 2>still want to go to trial, you're gonna fucking regret it.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're in trial.

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<v Speaker 2>He's charged with one count of attempted rape and two

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<v Speaker 2>counts of sexual misconduct forcible touching. Barbara wants bail to

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<v Speaker 2>be a million dollars. Buchanan wants him released, So the

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<v Speaker 2>bail is half a million. Listen, he's uh, he's an abuser,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that's a lot of money. Yeah, Cuz like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>half a million.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen killers get less than that, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Dodds and Benson catch up in the streets and she

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<v Speaker 2>says how it supports the victims to see the detectives

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<v Speaker 2>in the galley. He says about the victim, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>I brought it up in front of everybody, like because

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<v Speaker 2>he kept defending the boy. And she says, don't but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not you know, don't be sorry. It's not a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, and he keeps talking. Benson face looks

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed as hell. He's like, they just both seem like

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<v Speaker 2>really good kids who don't know what happened down there.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson says he might not realize what he did was

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<v Speaker 2>a sexual assault, but Abby did not make this up.

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<v Speaker 2>She is not a manipulative girl, but he's not a predator,

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<v Speaker 2>dodd says, and Benson's like, listen, the trial isn't our call.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't and then Dodds brings up the point that

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<v Speaker 2>you did it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>There's either.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rape family in Buchanan arrive in court and

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<v Speaker 2>they scoff at the detectives. They put Chris in good

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<v Speaker 2>boy glasses, slipped back hair, and DoD says they made

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<v Speaker 2>him look like Harry Potter and Benson calls it the

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<v Speaker 2>nerd defense.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara is starting off with a remote in hand, going

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<v Speaker 2>through all the texts that was being sent back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So the boy texts had a great time, you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the text.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened a week later about like I don't want any.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm sorry, don't be mad at me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he turns with this info and Benson's on the stand,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I really like that he's kind of taking

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<v Speaker 2>anything that the defense is going to bring up and

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<v Speaker 2>bringing it up to Benson right now, so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like they're hiding anything, and I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>So he says, with all your experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen this kind of communication before between

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<v Speaker 2>young victims and assailants and she says, yes, it's way

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<v Speaker 2>more common than not. Teenagers have imperfect judgment and to

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<v Speaker 2>be a young naive girl like you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be circled out by your peers fear of blowback, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know teens have a lot of feelings. She says yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and Abby is super shy. She has trouble speaking up

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<v Speaker 2>for herself, and like maybe teen predators wouldn't go like.

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<v Speaker 4>After more assertive victims.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, Abby didn't file a police report

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<v Speaker 2>right away? How unusual is that? Benson says, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>unusual at all. It happens all the times. Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to like figure out what happened. And so now

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<v Speaker 2>it's Buchanan's turn. So she says again, how victims wait

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<v Speaker 2>to report to police? And he said, no, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to talk to police. She waited to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 2>right The local priestinct chose not to pursue because she answers,

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<v Speaker 2>they are not properly trained. That's why we have an

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<v Speaker 2>SVU to begin with, and he goes, yep, were you

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<v Speaker 2>believe people with personality flaws are more likely to be targeted,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, that is not what I said. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you not just say that a more assertive girl

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<v Speaker 2>would not have been targeted? Are you blaming the victim?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, motherfucker, you are twisting my words. It

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<v Speaker 2>is never the victim's fault. And Buchanan grins and says, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>so there is nothing that an accuser can do that

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<v Speaker 2>would contribute to the situation. If she's texting and going

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<v Speaker 2>to private area and doing foreplay, yeah, so none of

1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:05.519
<v Speaker 2>that matters. But sure, I'll withdraw and sit down. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's really proud of what he's done there, and Barbara

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<v Speaker 2>looks pissed. So now Caresee's on the stand. He's there

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the secret society that's goal is to

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<v Speaker 2>de flower virgins, the Cherry Pickers Club, And he wrote

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<v Speaker 2>down Abby's names, So how do you say you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it when you wrote it and then you bragged

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. So Buchanan's there being like, teens have

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<v Speaker 2>poor judgment. Didn't we agree on that?

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<v Speaker 1>And do we also agree that boy teens lie about

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<v Speaker 1>sexual conquests that aren't true? And Caresee's like, are you

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<v Speaker 1>asking me here if your client is a liar? That

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<v Speaker 1>is good, Like there's a lot of good burns and

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth in this episode. I really love that

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<v Speaker 1>future eighty A. I feel like that's that's where the

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<v Speaker 1>nugget the last. He also plays to the jury so hard.

1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:51.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, no, they didn't and like looks right

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<v Speaker 1>at the jurors like he's like really driving his points home.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Buchanan's like, come on, you know, I'm asking

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<v Speaker 2>if he he's a teenager who is being pressured to

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<v Speaker 2>claim he's scored, and Crisy is caught and he has

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<v Speaker 2>to say yes. So Barba redirects, when you first talked

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris, did he lie to you? Andchrisye says yep,

1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.799
<v Speaker 2>you flat out tonight having any sexual contact with Abby.

1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:15.599
<v Speaker 2>And only when we found and matched his DNA did

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<v Speaker 2>he admit the truth. And Buchanan's like, no, he was

1:14:18.600 --> 1:14:21.559
<v Speaker 2>always maintained it was mutual and consensual, and Barba's like,

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<v Speaker 2>except that he was lying about it. So the judge

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<v Speaker 2>sopranos sister is like, spare us with the grand standing gentleman.

1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:31.800
<v Speaker 2>She says, they both need to calm down and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>resume after lunch, and so then the next witness is

1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Abby Stewart. Chris looks down and in the bathroom, Rita

1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.280
<v Speaker 2>is making Abby take off her makeup and she's like,

1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:42.720
<v Speaker 2>then I'll look like a little girl. And they're like, yeah,

1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:44.639
<v Speaker 2>they're making him look like a saint, so you can't

1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:47.400
<v Speaker 2>look like a sinner. And uh oh, Chris's mom walks

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<v Speaker 2>in and they ask her, like, give us a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, I'm just here to wash my hands. Has

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<v Speaker 2>that ever happened to you? Like, have you ever ever

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<v Speaker 2>gone into a bathroom to just wash your hands unless

1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:59.160
<v Speaker 2>you were truly playing with slime or like a baby

1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:02.400
<v Speaker 2>sneezed on you. So like, I don't understand what got

1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.000
<v Speaker 2>so dusty in the courtroom or maybe before lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I think she's totally lying.

1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but people, oh yeah, so everyone that does that

1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:13.280
<v Speaker 2>is lying. Okay, got a guy, ye, So and this

1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:16.000
<v Speaker 2>bitch starts talking to Abby and they're like, did they

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that Stanford requested Chris withdraw his application. Rita

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<v Speaker 2>says this isn't the time, and they all go to

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<v Speaker 2>quickly leave, and the bitch grabs Abby and says, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you get it, you are ruining my son's life. Benson

1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:30.599
<v Speaker 2>shoves her off gently, like, hey, you need to stop talking.

1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:32.599
<v Speaker 2>And to me, I'm like, arrest that cut. Like there

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be some sort of law of intimidating the witness,

1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Like there needs to be something that what she is

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<v Speaker 2>doing is not okay. She says, Oh a woman, cop,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you always take the girl's side. She is

1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:48.679
<v Speaker 2>vile daughter too. Yeah, but she doesn't like her daughter.

1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:50.639
<v Speaker 2>She hates herself and she hates women and shades her daughter.

1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.280
<v Speaker 2>She thinks her daughter is a lying slut with all

1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:56.200
<v Speaker 2>of her daughter friends, like this woman would make a

1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:59.200
<v Speaker 2>killing on Instagram right now, she can join all the

1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:01.720
<v Speaker 2>little right way, like her and Candae Owens would be

1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.920
<v Speaker 2>at the beach together like talking shit. Yeah, it's just

1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so sad. It is so sad and disgusting. So she

1:16:09.520 --> 1:16:11.840
<v Speaker 2>goes this, the sweet little girl is the victim and

1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the boy is made out to be a brute, and

1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:17.360
<v Speaker 2>she screams teenage girls are better liars and runs off.

1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:20.280
<v Speaker 2>And I bet she loved Brett Kavanaugh. Oh, I bet

1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:23.120
<v Speaker 2>she was one of the yeah Kavanaugh's in her spank bank.

1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:27.599
<v Speaker 2>This woman for sure. Yeah, she fucking hated Blasi Ford,

1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, her and Camille Grammar they can go

1:16:31.040 --> 1:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to fucking Cantcuon together too and get eaten by a

1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:36.280
<v Speaker 2>fucking shark and even the shark would spit them out

1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:40.400
<v Speaker 2>because they would taste so bitter and disgusting. And Abby's

1:16:40.439 --> 1:16:44.000
<v Speaker 2>on the stand, she's barely able to function. She starts with, like, emotion,

1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:46.800
<v Speaker 2>we made out, lent downstairs to the dark room. All

1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of that was agreed to and willingly. She said she

1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:53.280
<v Speaker 2>liked kissing. But then what happened? She says, he got aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>put his hands under my dress, put my you know,

1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.920
<v Speaker 2>his finger inside me, and she's like, I did not

1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:00.840
<v Speaker 2>agree to that, and that she told to slow down,

1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:03.000
<v Speaker 2>she did not want to be touched down there, and

1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.080
<v Speaker 2>that did not stop him, and he pushed up against

1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.400
<v Speaker 2>her and tried to fuck but it kept just rubbing

1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:11.040
<v Speaker 2>against her and he came on her dress. And Ben's

1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:14.920
<v Speaker 2>not funny, but it's just I just love the idea

1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of like trying to assault someone and you can't even

1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:18.599
<v Speaker 2>put it in like this.

1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Is also like what I don't get about these like

1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:23.240
<v Speaker 1>grown women that are like fucking their students like this

1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.360
<v Speaker 1>is it? Like this is what you're Oh, I just like,

1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:28.439
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to get a guy that lasts three seconds.

1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Like Benson's listening and looks down at the part and

1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:35.320
<v Speaker 2>she just feels really pained for the girl. Barbara asks

1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>if this is what she wanted. She says, no, he

1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was hurting me and I've never had sex with anyone before,

1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and I know that's not how I wanted it to be.

1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:45.639
<v Speaker 2>He's like, but you text it back and she says, yeah.

1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I was humiliated, but eventually told her mom the truth

1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and the cops sucked when they went down there and

1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>she told them they had been raped and the cops

1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:56.479
<v Speaker 2>were awful, and Barba sits down as she wipes away

1:17:56.479 --> 1:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>her tears. The defense daddy is a bitch from the start. Sorry,

1:18:00.000 --> 1:18:03.559
<v Speaker 2>you had a regrettable experience, Abby, And then he's being

1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:06.160
<v Speaker 2>fake nice to her, which bothers me even more. It's like,

1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:07.880
<v Speaker 2>at least just be a dick, how you are? I

1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.320
<v Speaker 2>hate this little game that he's doing. Is it fair

1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:12.800
<v Speaker 2>to say you had a crush on him? She says,

1:18:12.800 --> 1:18:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I guess were you flattered when he texted you? She

1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:18.320
<v Speaker 2>says yes, and he goes, yep, and he must have

1:18:18.360 --> 1:18:19.479
<v Speaker 2>been a nice guy.

1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Since you went down to the dark room with him.

1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.280
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, I thought he was nice.

1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought we were just going to go down there

1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to kiss and you mean like this, And then of

1:18:27.160 --> 1:18:29.320
<v Speaker 2>course he shows the photos of them kissing and being

1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like sluttie and he says, you don't have to be ashamed.

1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I have a daughter who likes to go to dances too.

1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:36.120
<v Speaker 2>That's a great fucking line.

1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a good This is really like Rita

1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and Buchanan.

1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:41.360
<v Speaker 4>They're so good.

1:18:41.520 --> 1:18:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, friend of the pod, Friend of the pod, Delaney

1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:49.600
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara is like, where is the fucking question? And

1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:52.240
<v Speaker 2>he pushes, like this okay, So then he pushes. He goes,

1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:55.799
<v Speaker 2>was this your first date? It was and you really wanted.

1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:56.320
<v Speaker 4>Him to like you.

1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you were nervous, She says a little, and he goes,

1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know you were nervous.

1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:03.680
<v Speaker 4>It was loud. You like this boy, there's a lot

1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:04.160
<v Speaker 4>going on.

1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Is it possible that you got overwhelmed and that's why

1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.160
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know what you wanted and you never said no?

1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:13.200
<v Speaker 2>She says, I didn't say no, but I told him

1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:16.000
<v Speaker 2>not to go down there. And Buchanan's like, down where

1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.160
<v Speaker 2>down on the floor in the basement and he's acting

1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.840
<v Speaker 2>dumb and she says I wasn't into it, and he's

1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like into what. She says sex and he goes, but

1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:27.880
<v Speaker 2>did you say sex? And I hate him? And Chris

1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:31.320
<v Speaker 2>is looking really embarrassed, and Buchanan talks about mind reading

1:19:31.360 --> 1:19:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and texting and you didn't even know you were raped

1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:36.080
<v Speaker 2>for four days and he keeps going and it's like,

1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>ask a fucking question, and he's like, how did we

1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:41.280
<v Speaker 2>get here? She says, I know. I didn't want that

1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:44.599
<v Speaker 2>to happen to me. She leans in to him as

1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:47.400
<v Speaker 2>she says it like very powerful and strong, and he goes, okay,

1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.519
<v Speaker 2>but did Chris know? And she says I think and

1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.920
<v Speaker 2>he says that's a lot of thinking you're doing. She's crying.

1:19:54.000 --> 1:19:57.519
<v Speaker 2>He goes nothing further. He walks off. Her parents look sad.

1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:01.000
<v Speaker 2>His parents look happy. The mom is sedistant. This actress

1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.719
<v Speaker 2>is a queen. She's like happy to see this girl cry.

1:20:03.800 --> 1:20:07.040
<v Speaker 2>She is smirking. It is evil and the adult Posse

1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and Abby run out and she's like fuck, and Barbara goes,

1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:10.400
<v Speaker 2>don't worry.

1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:11.639
<v Speaker 4>He's a trickster. Don't worry.

1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:13.599
<v Speaker 2>And the dad's like, you should have protected her more

1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and Rita says, don't worry, the worst is over, and

1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:19.479
<v Speaker 2>she turns around and screams, no, it's not. So she goes,

1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:21.960
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna testify and tell lies about me, and they

1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:24.880
<v Speaker 2>run off. Barbara has to nail this Chris moment, so

1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Little Glasses boys on the stand and starts the same

1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:28.400
<v Speaker 2>way in.

1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:29.200
<v Speaker 4>The dark room.

1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:32.200
<v Speaker 1>He kept asking if what he was doing was okay,

1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and she didn't say.

1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:35.439
<v Speaker 4>No, he's a liar. We watched what happened.

1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.280
<v Speaker 2>He did not once ask her how she was doing, Like,

1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:41.599
<v Speaker 2>he is a fucking liar. I can't we saw it.

1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:45.120
<v Speaker 2>You did not ask her? He said, you know, it

1:20:45.160 --> 1:20:47.559
<v Speaker 2>was just fingers and I came early. No sex happened.

1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:49.720
<v Speaker 2>But when you went home, how did you feel the

1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 2>night went? And he said good, and I didn't think

1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>anything was wrong and he couldn't even tell that she

1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:57.360
<v Speaker 2>was upset. But did you care? So anyways, but you're

1:20:57.360 --> 1:20:59.439
<v Speaker 2>a liar and you lied twice. Why don't you tell

1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:02.040
<v Speaker 2>us about the lies? So he admits that he lied

1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.479
<v Speaker 2>to the police about no touching, and then he lied

1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:05.679
<v Speaker 2>to his peers that he fucked.

1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:07.000
<v Speaker 4>So he's just a straight up liar.

1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:10.120
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you're lying to your friends and the cops

1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:12.479
<v Speaker 1>about fucking her and not fucking her.

1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:14.639
<v Speaker 4>So you're a piece of shit.

1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:17.640
<v Speaker 1>You would actually belong in Stanford, honestly, he would do

1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:20.719
<v Speaker 1>great there. So then he talks about the group hating

1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:22.280
<v Speaker 1>women and he hates the club.

1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.320
<v Speaker 2>He's like, the club sucks. They really hate women. I

1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:25.760
<v Speaker 2>don't even want to be a part of it. But

1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, he says, if I upset her, I'm sorry

1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and wish things went differently. And and I know now

1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:35.120
<v Speaker 2>that mixing alcohol and dating is a disaster and that

1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:38.200
<v Speaker 2>clear communication is very important. I wonder how long it

1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:40.960
<v Speaker 2>took him to memorize that little speech. Buchanan goes and

1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.879
<v Speaker 2>sits down and says, wow, thanks for being so upfront.

1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:45.520
<v Speaker 4>You have a lot of courage.

1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It's Barbara's turn, and you know this little bitch is

1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:51.439
<v Speaker 2>in trouble because he starts asking questions while he's sitting down.

1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:54.439
<v Speaker 2>That means he's feeling good. So he says, you lied

1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:57.519
<v Speaker 2>to police and to your friends. That's your story. He says, yes,

1:21:57.560 --> 1:22:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm ashamed of that. Barbara goes, so you lie

1:22:01.200 --> 1:22:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to your friends because they made fun of you because

1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.519
<v Speaker 2>you hadn't scored. He goes, I wouldn't call it that,

1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, well, what would you call it?

1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:08.719
<v Speaker 4>Cherry picking?

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<v Speaker 2>Objected and then it's overruled immediately. It's the name of

1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:14.160
<v Speaker 2>the club that he was in, and you're allowed to

1:22:14.160 --> 1:22:16.559
<v Speaker 2>say it. He says, who cares what the club is called?

1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:19.400
<v Speaker 2>All I know is I did nothing that Abby didn't want.

1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:22.400
<v Speaker 2>So she went to the police and testified in the stand,

1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:25.920
<v Speaker 2>was publicly humiliated and ostracized by her friends for something

1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that she made up. He says, no, I mean she

1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>thinks she was raped. He stands up and is like, well,

1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>what does that tell you? And he's getting tripped up,

1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:37.479
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like you can trip people up without

1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:39.720
<v Speaker 2>being a dick like Buchanan, you know what I mean?

1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Like Buchanan's just so show body in his ass wholeness.

1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:46.240
<v Speaker 2>The lawyer tries to help with another objection. The judges like,

1:22:46.240 --> 1:22:49.439
<v Speaker 2>please stop. He's like, she didn't say no? Did she

1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:51.879
<v Speaker 2>not say it? Or did you not hear it? Barba

1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:55.599
<v Speaker 2>asks did you even ask her? Did you even ever

1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:59.679
<v Speaker 2>hear a yes, but doesn't give him time to answer,

1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:02.439
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara goes, no, because you didn't even ask her,

1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Because your only concern was getting what you wanted scoring

1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.439
<v Speaker 2>making it up on that wall. Well, congratulations, you made it.

1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And he's in his face by this point, and Benson

1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.400
<v Speaker 2>nods in the stand and Barba sits down. Buchanda looks

1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:18.559
<v Speaker 2>at the parents like we're in trouble. Barbara's grabbing a

1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:20.639
<v Speaker 2>snack at the office and Benson comes in. It looks

1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:22.719
<v Speaker 2>like banana bread to me. Benson comes in and thanks

1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>him for such a good cross and is like, no

1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>matter what the jury decides, you did your job.

1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.040
<v Speaker 4>He goes, did I It was always.

1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:31.680
<v Speaker 2>A murky case and she's like, exactly, those are the

1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>ones we need to fight. We need new rules and

1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that's like my I love that, saying always like stop

1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:40.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to like we don't want to fit into this

1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>the rules that have been set up, like it only

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be fucking crushed. So Barba is being annoying

1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and thinks that we need to leave teens alone, and

1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:54.360
<v Speaker 2>then Benson reminds him like California passed the affirmative consent law,

1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, we will see how long that lasts,

1:23:57.040 --> 1:24:00.679
<v Speaker 2>and she says, well, something needs to change. Teen boys,

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<v Speaker 2>even in college, don't know what makes rape so let's

1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:04.559
<v Speaker 2>make the lines clearer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like, if this whole thing

1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>is like we don't know, then why are we not

1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:13.120
<v Speaker 1>teaching like consent more and more aggressively constantly, If like,

1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>boys are so dumb they can't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you're smart enough to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get into Stamford, but you're not start enough to know

1:24:19.000 --> 1:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that a girl who's passed out behind a dumpster doesn't

1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>want a glass bottle inside of herself. Like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. Yeah, knock, knock, The jury is in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in court. The verdict has been reached.

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<v Speaker 2>Felony rape not guilty, misdemeanor count a forcible touching not guilty,

1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:41.479
<v Speaker 2>and the mom smiles so big. Abby looks shocked and

1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:45.360
<v Speaker 2>horrified to the defense area. And then misdemeanor count of

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<v Speaker 2>sexual misconduct guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank fucking god.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stop smiling now, you dumb hunt And so

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<v Speaker 1>the gavel bangs.

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<v Speaker 4>The dad yells, I hope you're happy. Look what you

1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:55.599
<v Speaker 4>did to my son.

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<v Speaker 2>Your son is a fucking rapist like this, it's so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris says Abby's name, and her mom yells, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>even look at her? Abby, says I'm sorry, and the

1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:09.680
<v Speaker 2>evil mom goes, oh, now you're sorry, and yeah, your

1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:11.280
<v Speaker 2>son's going on the registry and you should have just

1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>taken the deal.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not the time.

1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:16.599
<v Speaker 2>And so the blonde bitch is like, your daughter knew

1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>exactly what she signed up for being comed on by

1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>my son prematurely. Abby's dad yells, we all know what

1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>your son is and now he's on the registry and

1:25:25.800 --> 1:25:26.680
<v Speaker 2>everyone will know.

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<v Speaker 4>Benson separates the parents. The music plays.

1:25:29.800 --> 1:25:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Benson is left panting after separating the people, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>dick wolf.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, wow, wow, a really enraging good episode. But everyone,

1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:47.479
<v Speaker 1>good episode and lots of sass and like comebacks, and

1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I just I really liked it and I can't wait

1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to hear about this crime. So let's get these ads going, Baby,

1:25:55.360 --> 1:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>listen to our ads and we'll be right back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so are you familiar with this crime? Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about this? Have you heard of it? Like when

1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.799
<v Speaker 1>you watch this episode? Okay, when I watched this episode,

1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I knew exactly what it was about.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's because you're a New England girl.

1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Now that I see what's happening in your notes, I yeah,

1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:28.439
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of New England stuff. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is based on a crime that took place

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint Paul's School in Conquered Newhampshire. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>co ed boarding school. It's very elite, one of the best.

1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>According to Wikipedia, the annual twistion is sixty two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I have many, many friends who have gone to this school.

1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>One of my dearest friends works there right now, So I,

1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:49.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, go Saint Paul's. I've known a lot about

1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it for a long time because I've known a lot

1:26:50.880 --> 1:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of people have gone there, but I've never actually like

1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>set foot on the campus. But this was a big

1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that happened in twenty fourteen. I was living in

1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:00.519
<v Speaker 1>New York. I remember reading all about it. But I

1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>will say that most of my friends that graduated from

1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>there are like your age, so they were long gone

1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:09.439
<v Speaker 1>when this incident took place. But I got some intel.

1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>So in twenty fourteen. I'm going to call it an

1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:15.479
<v Speaker 1>incident at the beginning because I'm just like painting a

1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>picture of the story. But I want everyone to know

1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:19.679
<v Speaker 1>that I agree a crime took place. So an incident

1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>took place between eighteen year old senior Owen LaBrie and

1:27:23.600 --> 1:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old freshman Chessie Prout. I hope that's how

1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>you say her name. It's like Trout with a P,

1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>contrary to what we might assume in a case like this,

1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and because like in the episode it was this way,

1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Owen LaBrie was not some urban rich kid like coasting

1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>off his parents' money and status. He actually was from

1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:43.839
<v Speaker 1>rural Vermont. His parents had a bitter divorce and custody

1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>battle over him, and he went to Saint Paul's on

1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a scholarship. So he was the captain of the soccer

1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>team and had gotten full rides to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Stanford, Middlebury,

1:27:57.240 --> 1:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and UVA. That is wild. I don't think I went

1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>to school with some really smart kids, and I don't

1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>remember anybody getting into that many fucking ivs and like

1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>top top schools, and this kid one of those hides.

1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, he like, you know, looked like a kid

1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that just sort of like had genius and was also

1:28:16.600 --> 1:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>amazing at sports. So you know, he won the Headmaster's

1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Award for quote selfless devotion to school activities, and essentially

1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>what happened was he got recruited to this school as

1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:31.639
<v Speaker 1>a sophomore for soccer, and then they had him repeat

1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the grade. And this happens all the time in sports

1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>at it happens all the time in boarding schools, but

1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>also colleges and stuff. And the result of this is

1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of eighteen and nineteen year old seniors going

1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to school with fourteen year old freshmen, you know. So

1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:47.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like a big age disparity on a campus where

1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:50.559
<v Speaker 1>kids in this episode, obviously they're in a New York

1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>City private school, this is boarding, Like they're all sleeping

1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>at school, you know. So it appears from everything I've

1:28:57.000 --> 1:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>read that LaBrie was hyper competitive and always kind of

1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to prove himself to his rich, privileged friends. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, do the teachers sleep at the school too? Or

1:29:07.120 --> 1:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>they go home? It depends.

1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I think most of the teachers live locally, like well,

1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, but like I have had friends, I have

1:29:15.000 --> 1:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>friends who work at boarding schools and they live on

1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the campus in a house and that's part of their compensation,

1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>is like that they get a house on the campus.

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<v Speaker 3>Wo.

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<v Speaker 1>So it depends. So CHESSI Prout, the victim was a

1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>second generation Saint Paul's student. She was raised in Japan

1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>with her family because her father was a very successful,

1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>like international businessman, like doing finance. So she knew LaBrie

1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit because he'd had a brief relationship with

1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>her older sister, also an Saint Paul's student, and the

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>sister had said, stay away from this guy. Okay, no

1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>one likes to listen to their older sister. It's very

1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>what's the movie you made me watch? Ten Things I

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<v Speaker 1>Hate About You? So on May thirtieth of twenty fourteen,

1:29:56.720 --> 1:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>LaBrie steals a key to a mechanical room in the school.

1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>He brings a blanket, and he arranges to meet up

1:30:02.840 --> 1:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>with Chessie prout there where they're gonna.

1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Which is already a red flag, like you've dated the

1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>sister and you're going for the younger sister like you're

1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>a free.

1:30:13.280 --> 1:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, totally, and they're gonna go hook up, hang

1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>out whatever. And a lot of my source comes from

1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>this very in depth Vanity Fair article that I read

1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>about it that it will be in my sources, and

1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, according to this article, basically what I

1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>just told you that on May thirtieth, they went to

1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>a mechanical room together. That's like where they both agree

1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>on the story and then the rest of it completely diverges.

1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>What I've read in another publication was that she admitted

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to like shaving her pubic hair in advance of the

1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>encounter and her best friend. This is probably where they

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>got the character of Daniella from the episode. Her breast

1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>friend told police, Oh, yeah, like she was down to

1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:55.439
<v Speaker 1>get fingered, give him a blowjob, like and the girl

1:30:55.520 --> 1:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>later said the victim later was like, I don't remember

1:30:57.400 --> 1:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>saying any of that, but the best friend told police that.

1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:02.559
<v Speaker 1>So she was like willing to like just tell them

1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>like what her best friend said about things she may

1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>or may not even be willing to do in the room.

1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like different what you tell your friends you'd be

1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>down to do, you know. And so she testified that

1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>just like in the episode, the kissing was exciting. She

1:31:16.840 --> 1:31:19.559
<v Speaker 1>was having fun. She even helped him, like they were

1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:21.559
<v Speaker 1>making out against the wall, they went down to the ground.

1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>She even like lifted up her hips so that he

1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:25.599
<v Speaker 1>could take off her shorts. And then when he tried

1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to take off her bron underwear, she said she said

1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>no three times and he said her underwear state on

1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole time She remembers holding onto her underwear tightly

1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:39.759
<v Speaker 1>with both hands, like that should just tell you your partner

1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>in this encounter is not having a good time, that

1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>they're clinging to their underwear as like a barrier to

1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you not doing anything. And it's kind of in the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're smart enough to get into all these schools,

1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>but you can't understand that that's a sign of I'm

1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:55.479
<v Speaker 2>not into this like it or do you not want

1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to know?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's so infuriating it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we get into that a little bit too. So

1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>he told authorities her underwear state on the whole time.

1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>She remembers that he pulled it off to thee like

1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.479
<v Speaker 1>the front panel off to the side, so she said

1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:13.719
<v Speaker 1>she felt something go inside of her and it wasn't

1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>his hands because she could see both of her hands

1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>on his waist. He told police that he went to

1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>go get a condom and that he suddenly was like,

1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I should have sex with this girl

1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>like and and decided not to go through with the intercourse. Okay.

1:32:30.120 --> 1:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>According to Vanity Fair Quote, DNA from his skin cells

1:32:33.000 --> 1:32:35.679
<v Speaker 1>was found on the inside panel of her underwear, as

1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:38.439
<v Speaker 1>was Seaman that could not be definitively linked to him

1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>end quote. That feels like some kind of fucking lab

1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>error because he even admitted later that he may have

1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:47.559
<v Speaker 1>prematurely ejaculated during dry humping and that's why they may

1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>have found some DNA. But he claims that when he

1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>went to go put on the condom, he lost his

1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>boner and ended the whole hook up like out of embarrassment,

1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, much like this kid in the episode, like

1:32:57.560 --> 1:33:00.280
<v Speaker 1>prematurely you know, humping her against the wall or whatever.

1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So they parted ways, and the first person that Prout

1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>ran into was the son of the rector, and she

1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>told him, quote I think I just had sex with

1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Owen LaBrie end quote. When he got back to his dorm,

1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>he obviously is like greeted by a sea of high fives.

1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He also messaged people later claiming that he had sex

1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:20.439
<v Speaker 1>with her, but then later when he was on trial,

1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>backtracked on that, saying that he just did that to

1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:25.839
<v Speaker 1>hide the whole going soft thing, just like an episode.

1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:27.599
<v Speaker 1>He was like, yeah, I just like told my friends

1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I did that. I wasn't going to tell them that,

1:33:29.000 --> 1:33:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I like didn't you know, finish. So soon after this

1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>encounter happened, He emails her, quote, you're an angel. She

1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:41.759
<v Speaker 1>writes back in an email quote, you're quite an angel yourself,

1:33:41.760 --> 1:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>but would you mind keeping the sequence of events to

1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>yourself for now? End of quote? Probably too late. I'm

1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>sure he's already told the fucking world and started a

1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Reddit thread about it. They continued a message, a lot

1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of ha ha haas whatever. They're looling the day away

1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:58.559
<v Speaker 1>these two. The lawyer his lawyers tried to argue that

1:33:58.560 --> 1:34:01.439
<v Speaker 1>these weren't the communications of a traumatized victim, while her

1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>lawyers were like, actually, these are very typical messages of

1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:08.760
<v Speaker 1>a victim trying to quote unquote playcate and pacify her assailant. So,

1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>just like in the episode, so when Prout's older sister

1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>heard what happened, she slapped this guy's ass and gave

1:34:16.880 --> 1:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>him a black eye just in time for graduation, which

1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I kind of love. And then the younger Prout the victim,

1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:25.240
<v Speaker 1>eventually called her mother and they went to the local cops,

1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>and the story quickly became national news and got everyone

1:34:28.840 --> 1:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about consent, teen hookup culture, everything like that. So

1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:38.479
<v Speaker 1>in obviously the very in depth investigation that took place,

1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:43.639
<v Speaker 1>they start researching Owen's attitudes towards you know, all his messages,

1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>all his social media, everything he's doing, and it seems

1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>like his attitudes towards women and sex were dark as hell.

1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he is also a teen, but like he

1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>told friends in a written message that his move with

1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>girls was to quote unquote fane intimacy, then stab them

1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>in the back, throw them in the I lie in

1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:03.519
<v Speaker 1>bed with them and pretend like I'm in love end

1:35:03.520 --> 1:35:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of quote. So like a father of a Saint Paul's

1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>graduate who knew LaBrie, told Vanity Fair that his son

1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>told him, quote Dad, if this guy was going to

1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:14.679
<v Speaker 1>do it, he was the type that would make a list.

1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:17.519
<v Speaker 1>And according to my friend who went to that school

1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>whose mother's home you've been to, as you referenced earlier

1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>in the episode, she said that a lot of people

1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>that she knows from school were like, yeah, he seems

1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>like a psychopath. So this guy has questionable attitudes towards

1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>women obviously and sex. And then what eventually comes to

1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:38.760
<v Speaker 1>light is that Lebrie is participating in a senior salute

1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the equivalent to this cherry pickers club I guess where,

1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And some of the articles I said, would actually say

1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that it was women seniors too could do this with men.

1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just boys going after girls. It was like

1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:53.240
<v Speaker 1>females going after males too. It was just seniors trying

1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to hook up with younger classmates. And he see who

1:35:56.120 --> 1:36:00.519
<v Speaker 1>could quote unquote slay the most conquest before graduation. Some

1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>people said that with the senior salute, it could be

1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>anything from making out to sex to taking a walk,

1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>like it didn't have to be sex. The media, of course,

1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and trying to sensationalize this whole story makes it seem

1:36:13.479 --> 1:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>like this is some old thing that's going on at

1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:19.559
<v Speaker 1>this school, and you know the traditions of like these

1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>moneyed institutions, but this wasn't a tradition at all, and

1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that it seemed like after taking a deeper dive that

1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>had been going on for like a couple of years

1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>when this kid did it, and like.

1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:29.360
<v Speaker 4>He could have started it.

1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, for all we know, like my friends who many

1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of my friends graduated in like the early to mid

1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>two thousands from there, said they had never heard of

1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>this at all, and that it was pretty widely discussed

1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:43.439
<v Speaker 1>among their age group when this like popped up, that

1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>they were all like wow, like did you remember this happening?

1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Like this did not happen when we went there, and

1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>they graduated probably six or seven years before this all

1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:55.240
<v Speaker 1>went down, So it's a newer thing that they're trying

1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, make an old tradition or whatever,

1:36:57.520 --> 1:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because I think it like kind of makes a better

1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.679
<v Speaker 1>story for news outlets or whatever. And the senior salute

1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>thing involved kids that were leaders in the school. It

1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like a rogue bunch of like bros. It

1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>was like team captains, newspaper editors, student government people like

1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:13.439
<v Speaker 1>people that were high up at in the school like

1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>status were doing this. They all shared stolen keys to

1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:20.839
<v Speaker 1>different rooms and spots around campus, and there was apparently

1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>even an email template for inviting girls to a salute.

1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And they also had a sleigh trophy. It was like

1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:31.439
<v Speaker 1>a mask that was supposed to be like a trophy.

1:37:31.880 --> 1:37:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know if like you wear the mask

1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>after you hit it with somebody or whatever. But as

1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>far as I know, it wasn't like written down on

1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like a wall the way it was in this episode.

1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure there was some way they were all

1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>keeping track of it. And once the police started investigating.

1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Labree's mom was like, get rid of your any evidence

1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that you have of this thing. And he deleted a

1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>ton of Facebook messages that he has sent about the salute,

1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:58.479
<v Speaker 1>like a like I think they The article I read

1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:01.120
<v Speaker 1>said like a hundred, like so many messages about the salute,

1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:03.519
<v Speaker 1>and the messages were obviously later recovered even though he

1:38:03.560 --> 1:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>deleted them. So LaBrie does go on trial. The trial

1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.759
<v Speaker 1>is full of twists and turns, like at one point,

1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Alan Dershowitz is involved, even though he himself had an

1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:17.760
<v Speaker 1>allegation against him for sleeping with an underage girl or

1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>but that sexual.

1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Assault, that's not that surprising.

1:38:20.520 --> 1:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, he jumps in any time there's underage rape.

1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:25.759
<v Speaker 4>He's there to defend.

1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he like that, he has his own allegation.

1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think I knew about that. It's like

1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:32.240
<v Speaker 1>connected to Epstein. I don't even think I knew about that.

1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And why else would you be so gung ho?

1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Why would you go so gung.

1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Ho to defend abusers if you weren't one.

1:38:42.479 --> 1:38:46.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, like yeah, And a bunch of the articles

1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:48.479
<v Speaker 1>that I read pointed out that they did the exact

1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>same thing. They did in the episode down to the

1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>same reference. They say he wore dark glasses and looked

1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:56.240
<v Speaker 1>like Harry Potter for trial, Like they were like, this

1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>is not what he looks like in photos of him

1:38:57.960 --> 1:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>from high school, Like they had him out looking like

1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a like a nice young boy or whatever, and so

1:39:05.120 --> 1:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they grabbed that directly from this for the episode this

1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:10.240
<v Speaker 1>is what's wild. In the Vanity Fair article, they say

1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that a senior law enforcement official involved with the case

1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>told Vanity Fair that if he had just expressed remorse

1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>or taken any accountability for his actions, the case probably

1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>would have been resolved without even a conviction, that he

1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>probably would never have seen any jail time, and he

1:39:25.400 --> 1:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>would they would have just sent him to a sex

1:39:27.200 --> 1:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>offender diversion program. And instead he went full throttle trying

1:39:32.200 --> 1:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to set himself up to contest a guilty verdict, doing

1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>rounds and rounds of appeals because like, he's not rich,

1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>but his defense was funded by other Saint Paul's parents

1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think that he, like probably his lawyers were like,

1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>even if you're found guilty, we'll just keep appealing it

1:39:48.720 --> 1:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>until you get out, because, as we've learned on this podcast,

1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>if you have enough money to keep going with the

1:39:53.160 --> 1:39:55.439
<v Speaker 1>legal process. You can kind of just like appeal your

1:39:55.479 --> 1:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>way out of a lot of stuff short of like

1:39:57.520 --> 1:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, mass murder and you're like sitting there with

1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the knife. But like he said, she said type of

1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>sexual assault stuff. I think they're like, we'll just keep

1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>appealing it until we find the right judge that like

1:40:06.880 --> 1:40:11.240
<v Speaker 1>says you can go. And a reporter from Vice wrote

1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>an article about him about This reporter from Vice covered

1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole trial and then ran into him on the

1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:20.439
<v Speaker 1>on the train in Boston and just chatted with him

1:40:20.479 --> 1:40:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and wrote an article about it. And in his article

1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>he had a line where he says, that's what ultimately

1:40:25.240 --> 1:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>makes LaBrie come off as pathological, his own arrogance, Like

1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>if he had just said, oh wow, this didn't go

1:40:32.040 --> 1:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the way I thought it did. I thought she was

1:40:33.680 --> 1:40:36.240
<v Speaker 1>into it. I misread the situation. I'm so sorry. They

1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:38.479
<v Speaker 1>would have sent him to a sexual assault program and

1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:42.839
<v Speaker 1>he would have been like everybody's life would have been better, probably,

1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't even know that the girl wanted jail time.

1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I think her family just wanted accountability. So in twenty fifteen,

1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>he was acquitted of the more serious rape charges. Buddy

1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was found guilty on three counts of statutory rape, one

1:40:57.320 --> 1:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>count of endangering the welfare of a child, and one

1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>melleny count of using a computer to lure a minor.

1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>So they were waffling on that, like whether to use

1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:08.240
<v Speaker 1>that because they were like, you know that that law

1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>is really in place to stop like child predators from

1:41:11.640 --> 1:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>luring kids over the internet. It's not necessarily for peers

1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>who are talking to each other over social media. But

1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:21.599
<v Speaker 1>they did get him on that, and then because of

1:41:21.600 --> 1:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>that he had to register as a sex offender. So

1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>on October twenty ninth of twenty fifteen, he sentenced to

1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:29.920
<v Speaker 1>twelve months in prison and five years of probation and

1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to register as a sex offender. He was released on

1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>bail soon after that, just to live with his parents

1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:40.240
<v Speaker 1>during all his appeals, and the New Hampshire Supreme Court

1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:43.479
<v Speaker 1>unanimously denied his first appeal in twenty to eighteen, and

1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:48.360
<v Speaker 1>then in June of twenty nineteen he had a second

1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>claim of ineffective assistance of legal counsel. That was another

1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>appeal that was unanimously denied, and apparently a confidential settlement

1:41:56.160 --> 1:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>was reached with the victim and in June of twenty nineteen,

1:41:59.200 --> 1:42:02.519
<v Speaker 1>he he was released from prison. He did serve six

1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>months of a twelve month sentence and he was let

1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>out early because of good behavior. Poor Chessie Prout tried

1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to go back to Saint Paul's the following year in

1:42:11.120 --> 1:42:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the fall after this incident, and the kids were horrible

1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to her, like her friends turned on her, people pointed

1:42:16.880 --> 1:42:19.720
<v Speaker 1>at her. She eventually like she made it like to

1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the end of the semester and was like, I want

1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>to get out of here. She went home and started

1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:25.760
<v Speaker 1>attending a day school, and now she's an advocate for

1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>ending sexual assault on campus. And she did write a

1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>memoir called I Have the Right to Colon a High

1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:35.800
<v Speaker 1>school Survivor's Story of sexual assault, Justice and Hope, which

1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was published in twenty eighteen with the help of a

1:42:38.040 --> 1:42:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Boston Globe reporter who helped her write the book. So

1:42:43.520 --> 1:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, then recently a judge who let like LaBrie

1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>off kind of easy was Biden nominated him, and she

1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:54.280
<v Speaker 1>tried to speak out against that, but it still went through.

1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>So it seems like she's found like almost like a

1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:00.120
<v Speaker 1>calling from this and like talking about campus rape and

1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:02.559
<v Speaker 1>then like other articles are like, oh, and LaBrie trying

1:43:02.600 --> 1:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to build his life back. Like I read this Jezebel

1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:08.599
<v Speaker 1>article which is also in my sources, about how Vanity

1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Fair doesn't know how to talk about sexual assault because

1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I know it's murky, just like the episode, but this

1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>kid definitely did it, and they're just trying to like

1:43:18.240 --> 1:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>paint both sides of like, oh, yeah, it was really

1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>tough for her, Like they definitely made it show how

1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>tough it was for her, but they were like, but

1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it was also really tough for him, and he's got

1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild his life and this and that, and it's

1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, and he could have just pled out, like

1:43:30.360 --> 1:43:33.280
<v Speaker 1>with an apology, and he probably would have served any

1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:35.519
<v Speaker 1>jail time or about gone on the sex defender registry.

1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>So his own arrogance got him to where he is.

1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>So I don't really care if he builds his life back.

1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:43.720
<v Speaker 2>But it's also like in the episode, you know it's

1:43:43.760 --> 1:43:46.280
<v Speaker 2>this kid, It's the one name on the list he

1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to belong.

1:43:48.120 --> 1:43:52.000
<v Speaker 4>This guy is pathological. Yeah, this he had a.

1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Hundreds, wasn't it, like hundreds of messages about the salute,

1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Like he was a ringleader of it. He he knew

1:43:59.080 --> 1:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly what he was doing. Yeah, And it's so interesting

1:44:04.280 --> 1:44:09.240
<v Speaker 1>with the arrogance because I feel that it's it's just yeah,

1:44:09.680 --> 1:44:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and what's crazy, you're gonna get away with it, because

1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:13.599
<v Speaker 1>I think about that with Louie a lot, where it's

1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:16.280
<v Speaker 1>like he made a movie where the main characters jerking

1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>off in front of young people like ah and just

1:44:19.400 --> 1:44:21.479
<v Speaker 1>like wouldn't get ahead of it, wouldn't say it.

1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:23.320
<v Speaker 4>And it's like that's pure arrogance.

1:44:24.040 --> 1:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like what's crazy too, is like according to this,

1:44:29.400 --> 1:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know about the Cherry Pickers Club, I

1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:33.320
<v Speaker 1>think you had to have sex, but like for this one,

1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>they say it could just be hooking up. It could

1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:38.280
<v Speaker 1>just be making out. It could just be blowjobs or

1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>hand jobs or whatever. It was just like hooking. It

1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.720
<v Speaker 1>was just hookups. So he could have just made out

1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>with her and done the fun part that they were

1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>both enjoying and still gotten quote unquote the credit for

1:44:48.120 --> 1:44:50.679
<v Speaker 1>it on his little list. But he couldn't stop himself.

1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And he cause he's like like a person that's just

1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.479
<v Speaker 1>like I get what. I thank god he didn't go

1:44:56.520 --> 1:44:59.599
<v Speaker 1>to college because on college he would have been raping

1:44:59.640 --> 1:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>all over Like that's the thing.

1:45:01.760 --> 1:45:04.240
<v Speaker 2>They're like, think of his education. It's like, thank god

1:45:04.280 --> 1:45:07.519
<v Speaker 2>he's not there. It's a liability to have these types

1:45:07.520 --> 1:45:11.200
<v Speaker 2>of men on campus. So that's even like anytime someone

1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:13.320
<v Speaker 2>will bring up like what about Stanford, and it's like,

1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Stanford's a better place without your son in it. Yeah,

1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>it's one least predator there. So I'm fine with that too.

1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:25.919
<v Speaker 2>You're not entitled to get a full ride to Harvard. Sorry, yeah, totally.

1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>All right. Let's uh, let's dive right into our post mortems.

1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Is we don't have a guest. Well, that was a

1:45:37.200 --> 1:45:41.120
<v Speaker 1>harrowing tale of boarding school gone wrong. But you know

1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>what I found out. I actually ran into another person

1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:46.240
<v Speaker 1>since we recorded this episode. I ran into another person

1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>who went to that school, and I said, well, you know,

1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:49.439
<v Speaker 1>we just covered it on my podcast, and she was like,

1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:51.439
<v Speaker 1>oh boy, but she said the same thing that my

1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>other friend said. She was like, yeah, we didn't know

1:45:53.080 --> 1:45:56.720
<v Speaker 1>anything about that at that school, but there was an

1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:59.320
<v Speaker 1>older scandal at that school from I believe, like the

1:45:59.360 --> 1:46:01.280
<v Speaker 1>seventies and eight. He's like, you know, we covered I

1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think on the podcast we covered the horus Man. Like

1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:06.519
<v Speaker 1>there there's all kinds of like abuse scandals that happened

1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:09.679
<v Speaker 1>at that happened at like elite private schools and boarding

1:46:09.720 --> 1:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>schools and stuff in like the seventies and eighties where

1:46:13.000 --> 1:46:15.439
<v Speaker 1>people almost didn't blink an eye at like teachers having

1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>sex with students if like, you know, it was just

1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:22.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a well you shouldn't but tisk tisk,

1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:25.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not like a jailable offense.

1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's one episode did we cover where Elliott

1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Gould comes in and he's like, oh, I'm the abuser

1:46:31.320 --> 1:46:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, oh, it seems like everyone like

1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking you actually.

1:46:34.560 --> 1:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was like, I thought it was like

1:46:36.000 --> 1:46:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a romantic like a mentor mentee romance. And it's like,

1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know, we're uh not doing that.

1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>But of Elliott Gould, yeah, I need him to come

1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>back to SVU honestly. And you just found out he

1:46:51.960 --> 1:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was married to Barbara streisand right, he's not married to Barbara.

1:46:54.880 --> 1:46:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, he was though, but he was right.

1:46:57.800 --> 1:47:00.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I have no idea. Oh wait, did they have

1:47:00.560 --> 1:47:00.960
<v Speaker 4>a son?

1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>They were the biggest IT couples in the sixties, although

1:47:04.680 --> 1:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>their marriage ended in nineteen seventy one.

1:47:06.840 --> 1:47:08.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they sar an.

1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, Oh, they have a son who's that.

1:47:10.400 --> 1:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I already forgot it. I already forgot that. So I

1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:15.720
<v Speaker 2>learned it and fully and then I went out of

1:47:15.760 --> 1:47:16.240
<v Speaker 2>my brain.

1:47:19.439 --> 1:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I did see.

1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Photos of Elvis recently marrying, you know, his child bride,

1:47:23.840 --> 1:47:26.280
<v Speaker 2>but he was hot. I never really realized, Oh yeah,

1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:27.719
<v Speaker 2>now I get it. He's like pretty.

1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like he is like a pretty boy.

1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.479
<v Speaker 2>I know people have known for decades, but I just like,

1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I don't really think about Elvis. He's not

1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I don't care, and so I don't.

1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love peanut butter and banana. So that's

1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like how I know Elvis is people. Yeah, because this

1:47:45.160 --> 1:47:48.240
<v Speaker 2>frozen custard place in Chicago that I always ordered the

1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Elvis and it was Custards.

1:47:52.040 --> 1:47:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've been I've been to Graceland and I was

1:47:54.280 --> 1:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>like the whole time, I was like, wait, why are

1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:57.840
<v Speaker 1>people so obsessed with this guy? But you know, you

1:47:57.880 --> 1:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>look at me as hot? Okay wait, I just looked

1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>up Jason Gould and he looks just like Barbara streisand

1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:08.479
<v Speaker 1>with Elliott Gould's like hair and oh and he's gay.

1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Love that for him. And I mean Barbara streisand having

1:48:12.320 --> 1:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a gay son is truly just the most divine thing.

1:48:16.720 --> 1:48:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I bet.

1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think he's out at like parties

1:48:22.240 --> 1:48:23.759
<v Speaker 2>going you know, my mom's Barbara.

1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you think that hasn't gotten him late

1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you're crazy.

1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:29.559
<v Speaker 4>I just can't.

1:48:29.960 --> 1:48:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, there's a photo of him like with

1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>his finger up and my gifted son, Jason. I mean,

1:48:34.360 --> 1:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>he's making music that's always you know, sad. You know,

1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe his music is good, but I just it's like

1:48:42.000 --> 1:48:44.760
<v Speaker 2>so hard when you have these types of parents.

1:48:45.240 --> 1:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like that's what I mean.

1:48:46.720 --> 1:48:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I always say this, I would never be an EPO.

1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I would chill out. I would be I would chill out.

1:48:52.640 --> 1:48:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I would spend my parents' money and hang and buy

1:48:54.880 --> 1:48:57.080
<v Speaker 2>gifts for kids, Like I think that's what I would do.

1:48:57.840 --> 1:48:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't think i'd want to prove anything. I just

1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:01.479
<v Speaker 2>love doing stand up, so I think I would like

1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:04.759
<v Speaker 2>do stand up. But yeah, I don't think I would

1:49:04.800 --> 1:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>like do things I didn't want to. Well, he's an

1:49:08.040 --> 1:49:10.920
<v Speaker 2>actor and a singer and he's he's actually fifty six.

1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they have a kid that's that old.

1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I guess that makes sense. Uh you know

1:49:16.360 --> 1:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're born in this if they're married in the sixties. Yeah, no,

1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:22.800
<v Speaker 1>we're entering an age where all of our favorites will

1:49:22.840 --> 1:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>be dying in front of our eyes. Oh my god.

1:49:24.840 --> 1:49:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Like we're getting to the age where the in memoriam

1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>at the Oscars is going to like really take us down.

1:49:29.120 --> 1:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Like it's really going to take us down. But let's

1:49:31.840 --> 1:49:33.840
<v Speaker 1>get back to our post mortem. What did we learn

1:49:34.080 --> 1:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>from fucking these kids? I mean, like, I don't know, man,

1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I think that thing is is like I do think

1:49:42.520 --> 1:49:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that like high school kids, we have to teach boys

1:49:44.840 --> 1:49:47.600
<v Speaker 1>about consent early. We have to like, you know, be

1:49:47.880 --> 1:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>doing this and stuff. But like this kid felt like

1:49:49.840 --> 1:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he had like a special kind of arrogance that he

1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was going to be a predator, Like.

1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:58.800
<v Speaker 4>Well, his mom, it was his mom.

1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:01.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I hate blaming women for the actions of men,

1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:04.439
<v Speaker 2>but it's like when you're raised with a mom like that, like,

1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of course, yeah, you're not gonna.

1:50:07.120 --> 1:50:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh in the I was thinking of the real kid.

1:50:10.160 --> 1:50:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, yes, but you're thinking about okay, yeah, I

1:50:13.000 --> 1:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was like I don't know if the mom was bad,

1:50:14.960 --> 1:50:16.519
<v Speaker 1>but we don't really know much about her. But yes,

1:50:16.640 --> 1:50:20.080
<v Speaker 1>in the episode, Yeah, like these people like I really

1:50:20.120 --> 1:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>try to like look at my children from like like

1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I love them unconditionally, but I'm also like,

1:50:26.080 --> 1:50:29.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think that they're completely blameless and like perfect, you know,

1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:32.400
<v Speaker 1>like you have to help them become good people and

1:50:32.439 --> 1:50:35.120
<v Speaker 1>not just be like he would never why because I

1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:38.559
<v Speaker 1>made him Like that's crazy, you know, why would he not?

1:50:38.920 --> 1:50:40.240
<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah?

1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think Barbara on the Stand just did such

1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:46.760
<v Speaker 2>a good job because it was like did she say yes?

1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Or you didn't even listen because you didn't even care.

1:50:49.080 --> 1:50:51.519
<v Speaker 2>You went down there to get what you wanted from

1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:55.799
<v Speaker 2>a person without ever thinking about their needs, wants or anything.

1:50:56.320 --> 1:50:57.519
<v Speaker 4>And I just thought.

1:50:57.280 --> 1:51:01.680
<v Speaker 2>That was like such a good Barbera moment that it

1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>will stick with me where it's like yeah, and that's

1:51:04.160 --> 1:51:06.080
<v Speaker 2>like when the isy stuff happened, we were like, it's

1:51:06.080 --> 1:51:07.240
<v Speaker 2>not it's not anything I go.

1:51:07.520 --> 1:51:09.240
<v Speaker 4>You know, one's saying he has to go to jail.

1:51:09.360 --> 1:51:12.599
<v Speaker 2>The whole point that's annoying is that like you don't

1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:15.120
<v Speaker 2>even think about the like the woman that you're fucking

1:51:15.479 --> 1:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>like in any capacity.

1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:17.559
<v Speaker 4>It's so weird.

1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we say this here where it's like

1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>these quote unquote tiny crime like they grow they I

1:51:24.880 --> 1:51:27.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know, is that Yale guy who only got three months?

1:51:27.840 --> 1:51:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Is he on the sexual registry list?

1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>That was Stanford, right, Yeah, yeah he did he get

1:51:33.400 --> 1:51:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Is he on the registry? Let me let me google it,

1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>cause it's like, if you're not serving jail time, which

1:51:38.120 --> 1:51:40.720
<v Speaker 2>is annoying, that's line. If they're on the fucking registry,

1:51:41.040 --> 1:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Like I think that is important and their lives should

1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:45.799
<v Speaker 2>be ruined.

1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:48.040
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing that's my things.

1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:52.200
<v Speaker 1>He's a registered sex offender in Ohio, according to The

1:51:52.280 --> 1:51:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Washington Post.

1:51:53.640 --> 1:51:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Great, because that's my whole thing where it's like, can

1:51:56.560 --> 1:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you think about his future? And it's like, actually, I

1:51:58.320 --> 1:52:00.160
<v Speaker 2>want to ruin his future. That's gonna be my new

1:52:00.160 --> 1:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>thing where they're like, well, you don't want to ruin

1:52:01.640 --> 1:52:05.080
<v Speaker 2>a man's reputation, Like actually I do, I really do.

1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:06.920
<v Speaker 4>I want your life ruined forever?

1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:12.280
<v Speaker 1>That guy too, Like that guy can't say oh, like

1:52:12.400 --> 1:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>it was hot and heavy. I guess I was like

1:52:14.160 --> 1:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>too into it. I wasn't paying attention to her feelings.

1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear her saying no, she was passed out,

1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you have like it's so disgusting what

1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>he got away with truly and yeah, whether it the

1:52:28.360 --> 1:52:31.439
<v Speaker 1>judge that was like ah whatever, yeah, it was it

1:52:31.520 --> 1:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>was the I don't want to ruin the future of

1:52:33.080 --> 1:52:36.639
<v Speaker 1>this nice young man, like that's you know, and no.

1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Thought at all about the trauma of assault and rape

1:52:40.800 --> 1:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>onto the victims.

1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:44.080
<v Speaker 4>How is that going to ruin their life?

1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Why do we care about this Stanford loser and not

1:52:47.479 --> 1:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the psychological trauma of I mean, we read about victim

1:52:51.080 --> 1:52:53.280
<v Speaker 2>statements all the time in our research, and it's like

1:52:53.800 --> 1:52:57.320
<v Speaker 2>people are affected forever, yeah by this.

1:52:57.400 --> 1:52:59.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's it's We actually had a listener contact us

1:52:59.800 --> 1:53:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and say that their friend was about to do a

1:53:01.479 --> 1:53:05.439
<v Speaker 1>victim impact statement and asked me what episodes have good

1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>impact statements so she could show them to her friend.

1:53:08.200 --> 1:53:10.240
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what I can think of right

1:53:10.280 --> 1:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>now is the brock Turner episode which is called Rape Interrupted,

1:53:12.920 --> 1:53:16.200
<v Speaker 1>which we will cover, But if you can remember any

1:53:16.200 --> 1:53:19.040
<v Speaker 1>other like good victim impact statement episodes, let me know,

1:53:19.080 --> 1:53:22.040
<v Speaker 1>because I was having a hard time remembering. But the

1:53:22.479 --> 1:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>girl in real life at the brock Turner case made

1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a very impactful statement that was published, and so they

1:53:30.080 --> 1:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>are important anyway, Yeah, I guess just like fucking let's

1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:37.280
<v Speaker 1>raise men to have consent. But that's asking a lot, and.

1:53:37.680 --> 1:53:41.559
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's honestly boiled down to if you are

1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:43.639
<v Speaker 2>a man, do you consider women people?

1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Like?

1:53:44.200 --> 1:53:47.439
<v Speaker 2>That is that is how low the bar is, And

1:53:47.479 --> 1:53:50.559
<v Speaker 2>that is like the actions of so many men. That

1:53:50.720 --> 1:53:52.519
<v Speaker 2>is where I go to, like, do you even see

1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:54.320
<v Speaker 2>women as human at all?

1:53:54.800 --> 1:53:56.120
<v Speaker 4>With wants? I saw a clip.

1:53:56.160 --> 1:53:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously my algorithms are trying to piss me off.

1:53:59.120 --> 1:54:01.439
<v Speaker 2>That's like how I get you know, yeah, and that's

1:54:01.439 --> 1:54:03.280
<v Speaker 2>why I had to get off the internet. But I

1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:05.799
<v Speaker 2>saw one where a dude straight up was like married

1:54:05.840 --> 1:54:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to his wife for like ten years before he's like, oh,

1:54:08.080 --> 1:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and then it hit me that, like she has thoughts

1:54:10.080 --> 1:54:13.720
<v Speaker 2>and feelings, Like I do not think men honestly think

1:54:13.760 --> 1:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>that we are autonomous beings with full lives.

1:54:17.479 --> 1:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Like really, there are men. There are men that think

1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that way.

1:54:20.360 --> 1:54:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah overall, but if that but if that was the culture,

1:54:25.040 --> 1:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>then Rock Turner would have gotten more jail time. Yeah

1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like to pinpoint which men

1:54:30.040 --> 1:54:34.200
<v Speaker 2>are good or bad defeats the actual thing where the

1:54:34.240 --> 1:54:37.040
<v Speaker 2>culture does not take women as people. So it doesn't

1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:39.520
<v Speaker 2>matter if we can name a couple men that we

1:54:39.640 --> 1:54:43.680
<v Speaker 2>know that see us as full beings when overall it's

1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's the same thing with racism or it's like

1:54:45.880 --> 1:54:47.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter if you think you're racist or not.

1:54:47.400 --> 1:54:49.960
<v Speaker 2>We're living in this racist to sign me and you're

1:54:50.000 --> 1:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a part of it. And so like even the men,

1:54:52.280 --> 1:54:54.200
<v Speaker 2>like they have like as much as me as a

1:54:54.200 --> 1:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>white person has to check myself constantly, it's like men

1:54:58.680 --> 1:55:01.360
<v Speaker 2>have to also take that bird on and check themselves

1:55:01.360 --> 1:55:03.720
<v Speaker 2>constantly and how they're approaching women.

1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you also want to be like, I know

1:55:05.720 --> 1:55:07.840
<v Speaker 1>these kids like in this episode, these kids are like

1:55:07.880 --> 1:55:11.560
<v Speaker 1>sixteen seventy eight, seventeen whatever, eighteen, But like you want

1:55:11.600 --> 1:55:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to be like if you like, yeah, if you saw

1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>women as people, you would also realize that for you yourself,

1:55:18.200 --> 1:55:21.080
<v Speaker 1>anything sexual is better when both people are enjoying it really,

1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like it's not unless you're not thinking

1:55:25.240 --> 1:55:26.600
<v Speaker 1>of a woman as a person and you're like this

1:55:26.640 --> 1:55:28.080
<v Speaker 1>is just like a means to an end for me,

1:55:28.520 --> 1:55:28.720
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:55:29.520 --> 1:55:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's what that boy did.

1:55:32.080 --> 1:55:34.800
<v Speaker 2>That boy lied everywhere he rode on that wall, and

1:55:34.840 --> 1:55:38.640
<v Speaker 2>then it was like he lied to everyone constantly, and

1:55:38.680 --> 1:55:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was drilled as hard as we've

1:55:40.560 --> 1:55:43.480
<v Speaker 2>seen on the show Women that like don't disclose everything

1:55:43.560 --> 1:55:46.720
<v Speaker 2>right away, you know you can't know, is fucking yeah.

1:55:46.760 --> 1:55:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, like I plan to have the conversation

1:55:49.000 --> 1:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>with my son and my daughter where I'm like, if

1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:54.520
<v Speaker 1>you're engaging in something with someone and they do not

1:55:54.640 --> 1:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>look like they are enjoying it as much as you are, stop,

1:55:58.000 --> 1:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like you have to figure out what's going on, and like, yeah,

1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:04.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, So Steph Tolla Comics.

1:56:04.320 --> 1:56:07.640
<v Speaker 2>She has a podcast about I think it's Steph Infection,

1:56:07.720 --> 1:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's about gross stuff I've been on.

1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been on.

1:56:10.640 --> 1:56:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I talked about like, I think my extra tailbone, but

1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:16.640
<v Speaker 2>which is like full like.

1:56:16.800 --> 1:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Romper room compared to the chest she talks about on

1:56:18.880 --> 1:56:21.360
<v Speaker 1>that pot. I know that's like nothing. Did I talk

1:56:21.400 --> 1:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>about pink?

1:56:21.840 --> 1:56:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying anything, like what the grossest things about me are?

1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But she just had Bill burn and the clip was

1:56:29.720 --> 1:56:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that she was scared she was gonna get me too,

1:56:31.880 --> 1:56:35.080
<v Speaker 2>because she kept putting fingers in guys butts without their permission,

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill was like, yeah, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes, no, I've learned. I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>Like during hookups, yeah, sneaking a finger in there. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just it just made me laugh. But she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I've realized that now we can't. I can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Without a little without a little tap on the shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>Like mind if I sneak around back, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>She just said, one guy got so upset and he

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<v Speaker 2>goes and Bill was like yeah, and also shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to bil Bird defending his wife standing behind her for

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<v Speaker 2>flicking off the president.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ex president, he's fucking his wife rules. I love her,

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<v Speaker 1>She's the best. Yeah, let's get into our what would

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg do for the week?

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<v Speaker 2>This way women, our people, and Bill Burr's wife is

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<v Speaker 2>awesome and she's one of them, one of our best.

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<v Speaker 2>What would Sister Peg do?

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<v Speaker 1>Our weekly segment where we point you to a resource,

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<v Speaker 1>an organization, a blog, a book, a podcast, something to

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<v Speaker 1>give you more info about what we talked about today.

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<v Speaker 1>And for this week's segment, we wanted to point you

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<v Speaker 1>to the book I Have a Right to a High

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<v Speaker 1>School Survivor's Story of Sexual Assault, Justice and Hope by

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<v Speaker 1>Chessie Prout. Obviously, Chessie is the victim of the true

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<v Speaker 1>crime we discussed, and this memoir is her account of

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<v Speaker 1>her sexual assault and the aftermath from the high profile

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<v Speaker 1>court proceedings. It tackles rape culture at large and the

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<v Speaker 1>epidemic of victim blaming in cases of sexual ass I

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<v Speaker 1>think it could be a great read for also anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's thinking about sending their kid to a private school,

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<v Speaker 1>a boarding school, a place where you're dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who think they are elite and entitled,

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<v Speaker 1>but also for anyone. So that will be linked to

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<v Speaker 1>in our stories the day it comes out on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and it will be saved forever in our what would

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg do? Highlight? It's called a highlight on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and follow our Instagram guys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Messed Up pod And next week we'll be doing

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<v Speaker 2>Russian Brides. That's season thirteen, episode seven. That's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirteen and seven both kind of lucky numbers for people. Kara,

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<v Speaker 2>did you know thirteen is Taylor Swift's favorite number?

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. What's your number? Fifty four? Mine's eight?

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<v Speaker 4>Why are you trying to be different?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Well, it's usually seven, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lucky number seven, and you just went one up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like I've always loved the number eight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fun one. It was like a lucky number

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It looks like boobs. Okay, guys, thanks for listening.

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