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Speaker 1: Our dirty comedies are week. We'll talk about that. The FBI, zvil,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that, street communism and America. An update

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Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. So much tonight on. I'm right,

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Speaker 1: Let me give you some good news. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: to Julio Rosas here in just a minute and talk

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in New York, what's happening everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, let me give you some

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Speaker 1: good news. There's enough bad news out there. The good

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Speaker 1: news is American communists are soft. You see the Communists

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Speaker 1: of old. As much as I hate them, Stalin Mao,

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Speaker 1: they really were tough guys. Stalin spent his youth shooting

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Speaker 1: people in robbing banks.

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Speaker 2: Mao.

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Speaker 1: Did you know he taught some of our troops jungle

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Speaker 1: warfare in China prior to World War Two. Mao's Junger fighter,

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Speaker 2: Tough guy. Our communists are not. They know how to

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Speaker 2: talk like one. They're not that tough though.

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Speaker 1: Do you see the sturdy little commune in Bakersfield, California

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Speaker 1: threatening the city council.

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Speaker 3: Hi, there, my name is Ridy Petel. I'm here to

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Speaker 3: speak in support of the city council. Introducing a ceasefire resolution,

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Speaker 3: specifically the one United Liberation Front has drafted. I don't

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Speaker 3: have faith that you'll do this.

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Speaker 4: You guys are all horrible human beings, and Jesus probably

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Speaker 4: would have killed you himself. And while you guys parade

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Speaker 4: Gandhi around as a Hindu holiday called Chaititranavrathri, his starts

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Speaker 4: off this week. I remind you that these holidays that

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Speaker 4: we practice, that other people in the global seuth practice,

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Speaker 4: believe in violent revolution.

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Speaker 5: Against their opprestus.

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Speaker 6: And I hope one day somebody brings the guillotine and

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Speaker 6: kills all of you.

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Speaker 5: Mother.

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Speaker 6: Regardless of whether you elect people into office, they'll backstab you,

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Speaker 6: they'll let you die. And for that reason, you guys

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Speaker 6: want to criminalize us with metal detectors will see you

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Speaker 5: We'll murder you.

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Speaker 2: That's against the law.

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Speaker 1: You know, she knows how to talk like maw, but

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Speaker 1: apparently she didn't know that there come with consequences.

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Speaker 2: You see, this.

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Speaker 1: Was her just like twenty four hours later, after the

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Speaker 1: police tracked her down, threw her in handcuffs and informed

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Speaker 1: her that she was facing multiple felony charges. You see,

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Speaker 1: the American communist was not raised in the jungles of

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Speaker 1: China or the Siberian hinterlands of Russia. The American communist

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Speaker 1: therefore the American communist is soft. If we would just

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Speaker 1: nudge him, it would fall right over. And places like Florida,

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Speaker 1: you'd try to block traffic, you get nudged. That's weird

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Speaker 1: law enforcement getting these rabbage street communists out of the way.

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Speaker 1: What conditions would allow police to do such things? Joining

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Speaker 1: me now, my friend Julio Rosas joined his sub stack

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Speaker 1: is called mostly.

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Speaker 2: Peaceful, Okay, Julio.

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Speaker 1: Who were those cops and where did they get this

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Speaker 2: Yes, kind of an unusual sight seeing these days.

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Speaker 7: So that was in Miami, in the great state of Florida,

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Speaker 7: and obviously, with the way that law enforcement is able

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Speaker 7: were the anti Israel pro Hamas pro Alstein protesters were

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Speaker 7: There was other kind of these small, small unit actions

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Speaker 1: The organization? Because it hit me yesterday as I watched

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Speaker 2: Who organized this? What?

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Speaker 1: Why? Who funded it? Who are the groups behind this?

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Speaker 1: Where did this come from?

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Speaker 7: So there's a there's a website called a fifteen dot

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no names behind it.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's no about us a section listening God,

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Speaker 7: Just hammered in the point that they wanted all these

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Speaker 7: Israel and the war in Gaza. Just to try to,

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Speaker 7: why are they doing this? They're going to make people angry.

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Speaker 7: And I've been saying since day one, since October eighth,

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Speaker 1: Julio, you mentioned these people in the Gaza Israel Palestine thing.

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Speaker 1: Are these people all Muslim activists? Is this a religious

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Speaker 1: thing for them? Are they just far left dirt ball comedies.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking because are these the same faces you've encountered

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Speaker 1: covering them, you were at all the BLM antifa stuff

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Speaker 2: Are these the same animals.

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Speaker 2: But here or over there in New York City.

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Speaker 7: And Chicago, it's basically kind of the same thing because

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Speaker 2: Try to figure out a.

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Speaker 7: Way of how to you know not and look, obviously

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Speaker 7: I'm not a fan of paying taxes either, but obviously

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Speaker 2: They hate they hate cops.

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Speaker 7: They were always, uh, they're always getting into fights with them.

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Speaker 7: They're always trying to antagonize people that don't that happened

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Speaker 7: So we'll see how this plays out as the election

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the cops wrapping this up here, when people

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Speaker 1: and they ask. Many people have the same question, why

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Speaker 7: It's because of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: One of the things back then was defunding the police.

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Speaker 7: But the issue now is just that they're they're undermanned

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Speaker 7: it's very unportunate. And this is kind of the the

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Speaker 7: continuing effects of the mass lawlessness that we saw in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty. So even though the police departments haven't been defunded,

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Speaker 7: the far left was pretty successful in hamstringing police departments

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Speaker 1: Sure we're oil, Thank you, brother, appreciate it. As always,

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Speaker 1: all right, we have so much to get to. There

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Speaker 1: was something big happening today in the Supreme Court and surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly was all over it. We will discuss things

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Speaker 1: Speaking of crime, are you ready? Are you ready to

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Speaker 1: encounter a Island criminal? They're out there, they're all around us. Look,

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Speaker 1: you want a little extra motivation right now, go to

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Speaker 1: your state's sex offender registry and put in your zip code.

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Speaker 2: Ah, not in my town. Put in your zip code.

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Speaker 1: Does your wife carry something on her that will allow

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Speaker 1: her to stop a bad man? Do's your son, that's

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Speaker 1: your father. That's what the burnup pistol launcher is all about.

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Speaker 1: This is non lethal, therefore it's legal in all fifty states.

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Speaker 1: I carry lethal and non lethal. I believe in carrying both.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a permit, you don't need a background check.

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Speaker 1: No matter where you live. They will mail it to

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Speaker 1: your front door. They shoot these pepper balls or tear

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Speaker 1: gas balls. They'll incapacitate a very bad man forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: You're gone, free, not in jail, and alive. Go get

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Speaker 1: a burn up pistol launcher. Swat teams across the country

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Speaker 1: use these things. They're sick. Be why RNA Bernard dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Jesse own your own self defense?

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Speaker 8: All right, we'll be back. Well, there was a lot.

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Speaker 1: Going on today in the legal world and the political world.

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Speaker 1: Julie, what specifically, which prisoners are going to benefit from this?

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Speaker 9: So what's important to note, Jesse is that this felony

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Speaker 9: Preligar, who said where they asked where else? And what

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Speaker 9: She didn't really have a good explanation why, because you

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on. There's sadly too much I have

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Speaker 9: See Jesse your waste murder than you give yourself credit for.

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Speaker 1: Does any of this affect his New York trial He's

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Speaker 9: That well in terms of what we've talked about in

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this four point eight percent. At the

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Speaker 2: You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You're powerless to control the FED and the spending, and

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Speaker 1: But it is coming, call tell them. I tweety to call.

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Speaker 10: Earlier today, Attorney General Dana Nessel was joined by officials

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Speaker 11: It was just literally a bunch of working class guys

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Speaker 12: to spend millions of dollars to militia groups, record them

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Speaker 12: saying offensive stuff, and then frame them in a fake conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this. We've been talking about this story

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Speaker 1: for a while. It is eye popping and it's amazing

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Speaker 1: how many Americans don't know about it.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now.

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Speaker 1: The lady responsible for that incredible film which you should

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Speaker 1: go watch, Christina Urso. She is the director and producer

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Speaker 1: of Kidnap and Kill.

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Speaker 2: She's also a journalist.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Christina, for those maybe it's their first night tuning

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Speaker 1: into I'm right, maybe they haven't seen your.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful film yet.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you give us a little background on this

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Speaker 1: kidnapping plot. I remember it like it was yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: woke up one day.

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Speaker 2: It's an election. Yeer, look at my phone.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they were gonna kidnap and kill Gretchen Wimber,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: What was the real story?

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Speaker 14: Well, the official story, right was in October of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 14: a group of fourteen men were arrested and six were

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Speaker 14: charged federally with conspiracy to kidnap. Eight were hit with

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Speaker 14: state charges of providing material support. They said that these

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Speaker 14: men were part of two different militia groups that were

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Speaker 14: planning to kidnap Whitmer, like take her from her vacation cottage,

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Speaker 14: maybe do something to her security detail, take her over

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Speaker 14: the lake, and put her on trial in Wisconsin. That

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Speaker 14: was the official story. And then as this case went

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Speaker 14: to trial and discovery started to come out, the true

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Speaker 14: story was very different. And I can go into that

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Speaker 14: as far as how this whole thing comes together, because

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Speaker 14: it doesn't come together without the FBI being involved every

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Speaker 14: step of the way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would prefer you go into that, take as

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Speaker 1: much time as you need. I want the American people

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Speaker 1: to know what exactly is going on with their secret

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Speaker 1: state police agency.

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Speaker 14: Right. So going back to the timeframe, I mean, people

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Speaker 14: need to remember what was going on in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 14: We had the pandemic, and we had a bunch of lockdowns.

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Speaker 14: Michigan had the harshest lockdowns. So this is the backdrop, right,

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Speaker 14: there's also the Summer of Love. We're having mostly peaceful protests,

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Speaker 14: and you have a bunch of guys who are sitting around.

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Speaker 14: They can't really work, so they've got nothing really to do.

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Speaker 14: And the FBI had certain people they were monitoring online

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Speaker 14: and they essentially brought these individuals together. They infiltrated a

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Speaker 14: group called the Wolverine Watchmen. This was not initially a

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Speaker 14: militia group. It was more of like a prepper group

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Speaker 14: that was kind of mostly online. Right. It was created

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Speaker 14: online in November of twenty nineteen. By March of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 14: the FBI has not only infiltrated the group, but their informant,

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Speaker 14: Dan Chappel, becomes the leader effectively of this group. And

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Speaker 14: then other various people that the FBI had been monitoring

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Speaker 14: and kind of targeting. They then come together. Because the

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Speaker 14: FBI calls meetings for these militia groups and then pays

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Speaker 14: for the meetings. They arranged ftx's, which is called a

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Speaker 14: field training exercise. This is things that militia groups do.

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Speaker 14: They do defensive firearms training, they do medical training, things

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Speaker 14: of this nature, and so throughout the course of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 14: Throughout the summer, the FBI is creating these events, paying

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Speaker 14: for them, and using a network of twelve informants, and

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Speaker 14: then later on they introduced two to three undercover agents

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Speaker 14: to bring this group together and to try to get

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Speaker 14: something off the ground. Basically, but there was never really

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Speaker 14: a plot. You had the FBI's informants getting people intoxicated

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Speaker 14: and then recording them saying offensive things, and then those

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Speaker 14: little clips were played in court out of con text

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Speaker 14: to kind of create the appearance of a conspiracy where

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Speaker 14: really none existed.

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Speaker 1: You speak to a bunch of people in this documentary

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Speaker 1: and gosh, I have so many things I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you, Well, what what made your jaw drop? I

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Speaker 1: know you already knew the story before you started, but

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Speaker 1: you always learn more as you dig into these things.

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Speaker 1: What did someone say to you that made you go,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 14: Okay, So I had actually covered the case from the

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Speaker 14: time the arrests began in October of twenty twenty. I

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Speaker 14: knew right away with the way the media covered this

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Speaker 14: that the true story is probably something different. And then

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Speaker 14: it wasn't until actually after the first trial, so to

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Speaker 14: kind of back this up. There were four trials in total.

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Speaker 14: The first federal trial resulted in zero convictions for the

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Speaker 14: government and two acquittals. It was when I spoke to Brandon.

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Speaker 14: I interviewed him after he was acquitted, and it wasn't

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Speaker 14: until I talked to him that I realized there's so

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Speaker 14: much about this story that people just don't know. Even

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Speaker 14: if you were following along, even if you were listening

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Speaker 14: in to the public access line and following the trial,

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Speaker 14: that you wouldn't know about. So it wasn't until I

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Speaker 14: began doing the documentary that I realized that there's so

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Speaker 14: much here, and there's you know, honestly, this case, I

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Speaker 14: think is a microcosm for all of the things that

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Speaker 14: we're seeing going wrong in America. Right We've got the

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Speaker 14: Weaponization Committee. I'm not sure why they haven't looked into

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Speaker 14: this case. There isn't really a greater example of weaponization

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Speaker 14: than the Whitmer case, in my opinion. It also there

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Speaker 14: was certain events that happened during the course of the

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Speaker 14: investigation where there's sort of like a January sixth connection,

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Speaker 14: for example, where I feel like the Whitmer case was

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Speaker 14: sort of a dry run for what happened later on,

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Speaker 14: and I can explain.

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Speaker 1: That if you like, yes, please, I would like you

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Speaker 1: to what happened later on.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. So, throughout the course of the investigation, while the

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Speaker 14: FBI is these people together, right during the summer of

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty, there are anti lockdown rallies occurring in Michigan.

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Speaker 14: There's one that happens in April of twenty twenty at

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Speaker 14: the Lancing Capitol and the FBI has their informant who's

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Speaker 14: now the leader of the Wolverine Watchman group. He's got

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Speaker 14: a couple of the members of the Watchmen with him.

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Speaker 14: They're attending this anti lockdown pro to a group. They're

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Speaker 14: in their full kit with their firearms, and the FBI,

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Speaker 14: by the way, is monitoring the entire thing as this

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Speaker 14: is happening, and their informant says on a wire like, oh,

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Speaker 14: I think these guys might be getting ready to do something. Well,

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Speaker 14: the FBI tells the Lancing Capitol police to stand down,

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Speaker 14: open the doors and let everybody in. So they wanted

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Speaker 14: them to go into the capitol armed, right, Well, the

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Speaker 14: guys stood in line, they went through COVID screening, they

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Speaker 14: go in and then the media runs with these pictures

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Speaker 14: of the watchmen inside the capitol and running with the

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Speaker 14: story of right wing militias storm the capital. They you know,

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Speaker 14: they were saying that they were looking for lawmakers and

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Speaker 14: things like this. But the handling agent in Detroit at

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Speaker 14: the time, the Special Agent in charge of the Detroit

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Speaker 14: Field Office, was a man named Stephen Dan Tuono, and

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Speaker 14: he's overseeing this whole thing. This is a storming of

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Speaker 14: the capitol, you know, prior to January sixth, and one

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Speaker 14: week after these men get arrested. October seventh of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 14: he's promoted by Christopher Ray from the head of the

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Speaker 14: Detroit Field Office to be the assistant director of the Washington,

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Speaker 14: d C. Field Office. So there he is overseeing another

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Speaker 14: storming of the capitol.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Christina, This doesn't feel like.

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Speaker 2: A one off to me.

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Speaker 1: This feels like how the FBI does business. Maybe they've

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Speaker 1: done it this way in the past and we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they intend to do this again in the future.

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Speaker 1: Do you get the feeling they intend to do this

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Speaker 1: again in the future.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're doing it as we speak.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I think that they have a history of doing this. Right,

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Speaker 14: you can go back and look at co intel Pro.

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Speaker 14: You can look at pat Con for a more recent example.

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Speaker 14: But in my investigation of the Whitmer case, it appears

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Speaker 14: that the Whitmer investigation actually has its origins and an

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Speaker 14: earlier FBI operation that seemed to be going on in

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Speaker 14: twenty eighteen where the FBI was trying to infiltrate different

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Speaker 14: militia groups. Now in the Whitmer case, the FBI also

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Speaker 14: is creating fake militia groups. This was something that for

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Speaker 14: people who aren't aware, one of their informants was posing

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Speaker 14: as a head of a national of a militia group

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Speaker 14: and he was posing as a national commander. The FBI

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Speaker 14: claimed that there was this nationwide meetup of militia groups

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Speaker 14: in June of twenty twenty where they claimed the origins

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Speaker 14: of the kidnapping plot began. Well, what they didn't say

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Speaker 14: is that the FBI called and shared that meeting through

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Speaker 14: their informant, who is also a convicted child sex offender.

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Speaker 14: He calls and chairs the meeting, and the meeting is

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Speaker 14: all for targets that people that the FBI is targeting

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Speaker 14: to bring those people together, and then there's numerous informants

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Speaker 14: there that are recording everything that is being said, and

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Speaker 14: they're trying to instigate. They're trying to get people to

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Speaker 14: talk about things. They're you know, saying like they're in

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Speaker 14: your backyard. You got to give them no quarter. They're

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Speaker 14: talking about you can't just take brick and mortar. Like,

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Speaker 14: their informants are repeatedly suggesting things, and then other people

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Speaker 14: are not going along with their suggestions. So the FBI

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Speaker 14: is creating their own militia groups. Some of the things

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Speaker 14: in this case, like one of the informants was posing

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Speaker 14: as the head of the Tennessee Chapter for again, a

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Speaker 14: fake group that doesn't exist outside of the FBI's fabrication.

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Speaker 14: The main target of their investigation was a vulnerable man

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Speaker 14: named Adam Fox. He at the time was homeless. He's

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Speaker 14: living in the basement of a vacuum repair shop at

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Speaker 14: a place called the Vakshack. And they set upon him

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Speaker 14: and they've got numerous informants suggesting things to him and

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Speaker 14: trying to essentially get him to become a leader. Well,

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Speaker 14: he's not a leader of anything. He's not really part

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Speaker 14: of any militia group. He wasn't a member of the

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Speaker 14: Wolverine Watchman. The FBI made him a member and then

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Speaker 14: they created a fake chapter for their fake militia group.

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Speaker 14: They told Adam he was the head of the Michigan

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Speaker 14: chapter of the Patriot three Percenters, and then Adam inducts

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Speaker 14: the informant, Dan Chappel, the other informant, as the commanding

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Speaker 14: officer again of this fake militia group. And then the

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Speaker 14: FBI is saying, well, you know he created he was

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Speaker 14: the leader of this militia group, and it's like it

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Speaker 14: doesn't exist though outside of your fabrication, you have an

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Speaker 14: informant posing as a national commander. Your other informants are

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Speaker 14: posing as different heads of different states chapters of various

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Speaker 14: militia groups. I mean, they created a Facebook page for

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Speaker 14: this Michigan chapter of a fake militia group. That was

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Speaker 14: the FBI who was creating and administering it. They use

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Speaker 14: what they call online covert employees or ocees that are

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Speaker 14: running fake identities online to try to get people into

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Speaker 14: these groups and then funnel them into events like this

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Speaker 14: where the FBI can try to find a reason to

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Speaker 14: manufacture something to get something off the ground. They try

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Speaker 14: to target people who are more vulnerable, who might be

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Speaker 14: more suggestible that will go along with things that the

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Speaker 14: FBI is suggesting. So, yes, they have a history of

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Speaker 14: doing this, and they've not been held accountable for any

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Speaker 14: of the things that happened in this case, so there's

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Speaker 14: no reason to believe they wouldn't still be doing these things.

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Speaker 14: They've got every reason to do so, and I think

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Speaker 14: that they get paid for these things. They have financial

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Speaker 14: incentives to keep manufacturing things that they can then foil

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Speaker 14: and congratulate themselves for.

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Speaker 1: They always find the morons and take advantage of them.

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Speaker 1: All right, Christina, really quickly, where can people watch your documentary?

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Speaker 14: The website is kkfilm dot com. The film has not

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Speaker 14: yet been released. We are still going through the process

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Speaker 14: of putting together because this is such a big story.

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Speaker 14: There's fourteen different defendants, twenty unindicted co conspirators, all of

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Speaker 15: Especial Washington.

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Speaker 16: Can you quickly tell me what airspace requires an ADSB transponder?

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Speaker 15: I'm not sure I can answer that question right now.

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Speaker 16: So what are the six types of special use of

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Speaker 16: airspace that protect this national security that appear on FAA charts?

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Speaker 15: Sorry, Senator, I cannot answer that question.

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Speaker 16: So what are the operational limitations of a pilot flying

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Speaker 16: under basic med Senator?

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Speaker 15: I'm not a pilot, So.

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Speaker 16: Can you tell me what causes an aircraft to spend

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Speaker 16: or to stall?

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Speaker 15: Again, Senator, I'm not a pilot.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, was trying to be the head of the FAA.

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Speaker 1: The FAA seems to be a fairly important institution.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: After all, those planes in the sky we don't want

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Speaker 1: I'm dropping out of the sky, do we? So what

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Speaker 1: kind of hiring are they doing over there? Joining me now,

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Speaker 1: William TrackMan, General counsel at Mountain States Legal.

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Speaker 2: William, could you please enlighten us.

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Speaker 1: What exactly are the qualifications they're using at the FAA

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Speaker 1: being this how that's such an important job with life

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Speaker 1: and death.

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Speaker 2: And all that.

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Speaker 13: Well, the fa clearly isn't sending their best obviously. Here

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Speaker 13: we have a situation where even at the highest level

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Speaker 13: of the FAA. This is someone who is nominated to

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Speaker 13: take charge my firm. Amount SAT's Legal Foundation has a

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Speaker 13: lawsuit related to air traffic controllers, which is a separate

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Speaker 13: hiring process, obviously, and in that process, they had a

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Speaker 13: pre employment test, and they looked at the results of

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Speaker 13: the pre employment test and decided that too many white

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Speaker 13: people p's the test, and so they would flush that

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Speaker 13: test and adopt a new one that would jerry mander

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Speaker 13: the racial pool and create I guess, a more favorable

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Speaker 13: racial balance for.

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Speaker 2: The White House.

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Speaker 13: And in our case, we represent over nine hundred would

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Speaker 13: be air traffic controllers who lost their schooling opportunities, they

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Speaker 13: lost their career opportunities because they couldn't pass the new test,

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Speaker 13: over nine hundred of them. Some of them passed with

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Speaker 13: one hundred percent the initial go around, and then they

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Speaker 13: couldn't pass the new test that was adopted by the FAA.

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Speaker 2: So we are.

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Speaker 13: Suing over race discrimination, and we're looking forward to prevailing

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Speaker 13: and making it so that this can't happen again.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to prevailing as well.

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Speaker 1: Exactly how long has this kind of insanity gone on,

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Speaker 1: at least to your discovery so far in the airline industry.

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Speaker 1: Is this something that happened or started six months ago?

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Speaker 1: Has it been years in the making.

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Speaker 13: It's been going on a while, probably a decade at

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Speaker 13: this point. Under the Obama administration, these were the sorts

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Speaker 13: of initiatives they were adopting in order to get at

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Speaker 13: quote unquote diversity within the air traffic controller hiring pool.

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Speaker 13: But just the last year or two, I think we've

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Speaker 13: all seen this dei effort ramp up. We've seen airlines

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Speaker 13: announce that they're going to make sure that fifty percent

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Speaker 13: of pilots are women.

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Speaker 2: We've seen videos.

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Speaker 13: Online of all non white staff on airplanes saying, look

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Speaker 13: how diverse we are. And then, of course we've just

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Speaker 13: got a number of incidents lately that involve disasters on airplanes,

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Speaker 13: like the Alaska Airlines flight, that indicate that merit is

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Speaker 13: not at the top of the list, and that instead

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Speaker 13: people are obsessed with race, they're obsessed with gender things

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Speaker 13: that ought not matter. I certainly couldn't care less about

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Speaker 13: the race or gender of the pilot and the cockpit

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Speaker 13: or the air traffic control on the ground when I

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Speaker 13: go from point A to point B. But that really

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Speaker 13: is something that people and the White House obsessed about.

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Speaker 13: They constantly think, how are we going to make this

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Speaker 13: pool of employees better reflect the exact racial demographics of

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Speaker 13: the country, when that qualification has nothing to do with

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Speaker 13: your skill, merit competence, experience, and so it's actually creating

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Speaker 13: a situation where we're recording danger. You know, I certainly

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Speaker 13: still fly, but I'm worried in the long run that

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Speaker 13: this will actually really result in a disaster and tragedy.

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Speaker 1: William, will you explain have you found anything in the

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Speaker 1: course of all your discovery, any pushback from people within

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Speaker 1: the White House, maybe people within the FAA itself, because

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Speaker 1: this is one of those issues. I mean, look, all

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Speaker 1: race based hiring is stupid and wrong, and we acknowledge that,

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Speaker 1: but when it comes to things like flying, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about lives, hundreds thousands of lives on the line here.

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Speaker 1: No one has stepped up and said, uh, maybe we

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Speaker 1: should keep it merit based.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you don't say, like, this is a pretty important field, right.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 13: It's one thing to tinker and socially engineer the workforce

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Speaker 13: in an HR department on the ground. It's quite another

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Speaker 13: thing to put all of our lives at risk by

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Speaker 13: hiring people who aren't the most qualified. Now, if you

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Speaker 13: ask the Biden White House what's your defense, they'll say, well,

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Speaker 13: the old tests really disadvantaged racial minorities.

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Speaker 2: It had an impediment barrier, and all we were.

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Speaker 13: Doing was getting rid of that barrier by adopting a

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Speaker 13: new test called the biographical assessment. But if there's one

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Speaker 13: thing that I couldn't care less about, it's the biography

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Speaker 13: of the air traffic controller. I mean just the title

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Speaker 13: of the test itself, biographical assessment is because it relates

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Speaker 13: more to your story, your narrative, your background than the

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Speaker 13: actual important thing if you're become, if you're going to

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Speaker 13: become an air to have controller, which is your merit,

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Speaker 13: your skill, your confidence, your experience. And none of those

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Speaker 13: things were at the top of the list for the FAA,

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Speaker 13: and even today we don't think that they are.

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Speaker 1: You're also going to bat for farmers in a different case,

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Speaker 1: You're going to bat for farmers. What exactly is going

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Speaker 1: on there? What did the Biden White House try to do?

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Speaker 13: So in contrast to the FAA case which started under

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Speaker 13: the Obama administration, and where we have to pour over

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Speaker 13: you know, hundreds of thousands of documents and interview witnesses.

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Speaker 13: Biden Whitehouse had no such embarrassment about just enacting a

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Speaker 13: program with facial racial preferences for disaster relief. So we

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Speaker 13: represent farmers in Texas who suffered natural disasters and were

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Speaker 13: entitled to various federal benefits under COVID nineteen relief programs,

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Speaker 13: but the amount of relief that they got was less

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Speaker 13: because they were not a racial minority or in most

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Speaker 13: cases not women. So the Biden administration enacted farm relief plans,

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Speaker 13: and then its own USDA officials decided that they would

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Speaker 13: dole out that relief based on race and sex. And

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Speaker 13: here it wasn't even as though Congress asked them to

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Speaker 13: do that. USDA just unilaterally decided that's the best way

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Speaker 13: to dole out farm aide. And so we're suing under

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Speaker 13: the equal Protection Clause. And we just filed very recently

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Speaker 13: in motion for a preliminary injunction which would halt the

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Speaker 13: program even before it's finished.

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Speaker 2: And we like our chances.

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Speaker 1: I like your chances, and that one too. Fingers crossed

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Speaker 1: for you, William. Thank you for doing what you do.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, sir. Thanks so much for we've got

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Speaker 1: light in the mood.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: All right, it is time to lighten the mood. And

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Speaker 1: this is kind of one of those who do you

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Speaker 1: root for situations here.

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Speaker 2: In this light in the mood.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, everyone everyone understands my thoughts on the elderly.

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 1: I believe in society they should be cherished, listen to.

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Speaker 1: They have so much wisdom, and I believe in being

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Speaker 1: eleven year old kid ran into Granny from hell at

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Speaker 6: You're loving year rules, you're eighty.

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Speaker 2: They're a lot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's such a savage burn, so simple, get a life.

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Speaker 2: Everyone cheers, all right, I'll see them all m