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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm looking at you right there, right Hey,

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Speaker 4: We're back at it. Monday, August twelfth, two thousand and

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Speaker 4: Guys, we have in girls too, especially the divorce ones.

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Speaker 4: We have a fantastic show for you on this Monday,

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Speaker 4: two spectacular guests getting a power hour each. We will

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Speaker 4: open the broadcast with Hey, one of my favorite personalities

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Speaker 1: It's MMA Fighting's Mike Eck.

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Speaker 4: We'll look back at the box and MMA from what

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Speaker 1: And then bring on the meat, All Meat, the only.

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Speaker 4: own goal. Right is Luke Thomas previewing UFC three oh five.

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Speaker 4: So so much to get to on this loaded program.

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Speaker 4: Hope you're starting your Monday with a little motivation, a

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Speaker 1: Happy to get at it. Let me bring in my.

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Speaker 1: How are you brother?

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Speaker 2: Doing good? BC?

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Speaker 5: How are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: Doing good?

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Speaker 4: So Saturday night I was watching the UFC Apex tour

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Speaker 4: The links on Thursdays and many other shows involving his

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Speaker 4: It's Mike, heck brother, how are you?

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Speaker 6: You got so many things wrong with that intro? I'm

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Speaker 1: But that was not the story.

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Speaker 4: The story was a him winning the interim WBC title

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Speaker 4: But three you nailed it, Mike, instant classic. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: I said the fight of the year with a determined

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Speaker 1: They go the distance.

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Speaker 4: It's a majority decision over twelve rounds, one judge having

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Speaker 4: Absolute banger and it was just like old school thrilling.

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Speaker 6: It was so good.

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Speaker 7: It was just back and forth where Teas gets knocked

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Speaker 4: How did I score it seven rounds to five for Ortiz?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I had Ortiz winning seven rounds. What was

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Speaker 4: And what made this fight so wonderful and beautiful and

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Speaker 1: Go for it. But it wasn't just action.

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Speaker 4: It was the high level adjustments constantly made by both

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Speaker 4: Boa took storms back in six, seven, eight, nine, and

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Speaker 4: then what does Ortiz do finish his I gave him

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Speaker 4: start there, Mike, if your team Bochuck, it's certainly a

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Speaker 4: hard luck loss because he gave everything and scored two knockdowns.

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Speaker 4: But you can't just say two knockdowns and you automatically

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Speaker 1: It's the tow boxing.

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Speaker 4: Works for better or worse. What should we say, first

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Speaker 6: See, do you think Boachuk won Pride rules in this fight?

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: By finished stronger. He rocked Boachuck in rounds eleven and twelve.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you said, like, I don't think people

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Speaker 7: Boachuk Boachuk is. I'm not gonna say this is a

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Speaker 7: Same with Ortiz, Like this was the type of performance

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Speaker 4: Because his career up to this point, the twenty one

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Speaker 4: But still he'd been blowing the guys away so early,

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Speaker 4: know all those questions about intangibles, the chin, all of that, guys,

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Speaker 4: Does he show you that he's flawless. No, And that's

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Speaker 1: So get dropped, so get hurt, but he'll find a

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Speaker 4: Or Tees is such a great TV fighter who also

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Speaker 4: if he keeps this pace up, he's not gonna make

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Speaker 1: It was such a beautiful fight.

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Speaker 4: They both, like I said, fought like there was no tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: And obviously they believe their man won.

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Speaker 4: And both guys showed so much character that again, you

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Speaker 1: But Mike first and foremost easy question on the.

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Speaker 4: Rematch, does Bohichuck deserve it based on how close?

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Speaker 7: The hell yeah, he does. And I'm with you because

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I want to see it. He definitely deserves

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Speaker 7: but give me, give it to me eighteen months, two

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Speaker 1: The way I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the Internet took away terms we use in fighting,

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Speaker 1: It's like, WHOA, let's hold on here.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, we could see it again. We're gonna get

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Speaker 4: a greater percentage overall thirty six and a half to

440
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,359
Speaker 4: twenty seven. But look at the power punches forty four

441
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 4: percent for Ortiz. Remember forty percent is usually that that

442
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 4: that Mendoza line of you probably won the fight if

443
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,439
Speaker 4: you landed more. Not in all cases, but in most cases.

444
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 4: And then I look at the body punches one oh

445
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,679
Speaker 4: one for Ortiz, thirty two for Boachuk. So Ortiz answers

446
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,919
Speaker 4: the questions, and it's so important for him because Mike,

447
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 4: I don't know if you had been following his story,

448
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,400
Speaker 4: but this guy was like can't miss prospect, next welterweight

449
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 4: guy to crash the party of Spence and Crawford. And

450
00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,199
Speaker 4: then he had the injuries, and he constantly he was

451
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 4: rescheduling fights, and then he had that weird illness that

452
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 4: was really kind of unresolved from overtraining that lingered and

453
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 4: really kept him forced him up to one fifty four.

454
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 1: But he showed us that the Powers reel at fifty four.

455
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 4: Even though even though to be fair, he didn't damage

456
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,200
Speaker 4: Bohochuk's face and he never dropped him. But I do

457
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 4: think a lot of that was because Bohochuk was fighting

458
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 4: like there was no tomorrow. And I called Boachuk's only

459
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 4: pro loss it was against Brandon Adams on Ring City, USA,

460
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,959
Speaker 4: and he was winning that fight until he wasn't when

461
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 4: he got knocked out late. He has made such great

462
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 4: changes to his game since then. He looks like a

463
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,119
Speaker 4: complete fighter. Will he get the rematch? Well, here's the question.

464
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 4: Probably not, Mike. Why because Turkey ala Shikh of Saudi

465
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,719
Speaker 4: Arabia in charge of the large war chest and that

466
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 4: Kingdom or Nations continued aggressive development into the sport over

467
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 4: the last year plus.

468
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: We know he picks his favorites. We know he you know,

469
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: he really really really likes Orties.

470
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 4: And wants him next against Terence Crawford. In fact, now

471
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 4: that he and Oscar de la Hoya have joined forces,

472
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 4: Oscar put out that clap back Thursday video basically begging

473
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 4: Turkey to send the money and join the club. Well,

474
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 4: they're part of the same club now. But if you

475
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 4: watch this extended interview, which I don't have the extended

476
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 4: version because by the way, de Zone scrubbed it from

477
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 4: the website. I'm not sure if that was an accident

478
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 4: or not, but they scrubbed it from the full broadcast

479
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 4: and no one's tweeting the full one where Turkey kind

480
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 4: of talks down to Oscar and makes it seem like

481
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 4: he's daddy panting him. But they joined forces to stir

482
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 4: up this potential. Let's listen in on the double header

483
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 4: they want to do.

484
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 9: We want to make the big fights Crawford. If Virgil wins,

485
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 9: we make Crawford next.

486
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 5: Yes, I would give Crawford big offer to do this.

487
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 10: And let's see and not this only we want to

488
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 10: see Shakura and Zavida.

489
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 9: Yes, William Zepea versus Shakur Stevenson on the same car.

490
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it.

491
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

492
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 4: Accident Like, did that feel like nineteen eighty eight episode

493
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 4: of WWF Superstars where they're like trying to hype up

494
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: like Hogan Andre or something.

495
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there was something weird with that.

496
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was very roddy.

497
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 7: Piper, Piper's Pitt Hulkgan, are you gonna fight Andre the

498
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 7: Giant at WrestleMania three type situation.

499
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, But let's talk about the

500
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 4: point of it, Mike. If Turkey wants something and if

501
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 4: the guys are willing, I'm like Canelo, tim Zoo and Dravante,

502
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: which we'll get into that he gets it done. I

503
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 4: want to know if you want this fight Terrence Crawford

504
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 4: at one fifty four in the first defense of his

505
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 4: of his new title he just won last week against

506
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 4: un beating Virgil Ortiz.

507
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: But more importantly, does it actually make sense for both guys?

508
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: Where do you stand? Because it seems like the Turkey

509
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: stamps on it, so put it in the oven. It's ready.

510
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 7: This to me, and I bring this up when talking

511
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 7: about certain MMA fights too, This is this fight to

512
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 7: me is like I met a girl at nineteen and

513
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 7: she was beautiful and she's everything that I wanted, but

514
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 7: I just wasn't ready to commit to it just yet.

515
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 7: Give me like three or four years, and I'm not

516
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 7: saying that's how long this needs to take for the box.

517
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: And let me be, let me, let me do my

518
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 4: thing for a little while, and then eventually when I'm

519
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: ready to settle down and and and find that special someone.

520
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 6: This could be it. And I kind of.

521
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 7: Feel that way about this fight where it's it's this

522
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 7: fight is is the right fight, It's just not the

523
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 7: right fight right now. I want to see a couple

524
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 7: more from both guys. Let's build this thing up a

525
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 7: little bit. And I understand the risk in that we've

526
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 7: seen it with in the UFC with Israel Asania fighting

527
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 7: Sean Strickland and instead of drink Iss Duplessy, I's just

528
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 7: gonna roll over Sean Strickland and then the DDP fight

529
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 7: will be bigger. And then Sean Strickland was like, Nope,

530
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 7: I'm gonna thump this man up. I'm gonna ruin all

531
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 7: your plans. So I understand the risks involved in that,

532
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 7: but this is boxing. You can strategically set up a

533
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 7: couple of fights for both of these guys that are

534
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 7: that are interesting. It makes sense, but highly favor both

535
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 7: ortiz In Crawford, and then eventually we can line these

536
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 7: two guys up end to twenty twenty five and it's

537
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 7: gonna be a massive fight. So if they make it,

538
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 7: now'm I gonna complain about it?

539
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 6: Hell No?

540
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 7: But what I like to see it a little bit

541
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 7: why a little bit more down the line, especially at

542
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 7: the RT side. I want to make sure he's good

543
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 7: to go, that he can consistently get back in there

544
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 7: with everything he's had a deal with over the last

545
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 7: couple of years. Let's make sure that both guys are

546
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 7: one hundred percent. Let's make sure both these guys are

547
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 7: at the top of their games and that they are

548
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 7: ready to go. And then once that happens, then we

549
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 7: could pull the trigger on this thing. And Turkey ain't

550
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 7: going anywhere. It's not like that stamp is gonna get

551
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 7: wiped away. That stamped is Once that stamp is on there,

552
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 7: it's probably on there for a hot minute. So yeah, right, fight,

553
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 7: just not right now.

554
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it, Mike.

555
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna add more to what you said, but I

556
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 4: think you nailed it on many fronts. And I think, look,

557
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 4: if that fight happens next, you can't complain about it

558
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 4: because it's like so huge, two unbeaten guys, a fight

559
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 4: we would have loved at forty seven. Of course, now

560
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: it would have to happen at fifty four. And if

561
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: that double header takes place, that those two shook about

562
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: and went all pro wrestling on I'm gonna get all

563
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 4: pro wrestling on it because that's such a big deal.

564
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: But this is not the right fight right now, and

565
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: I don't think it's the right fight for either guy.

566
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: And I think that even.

567
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 4: Trump's the belief I have that they don't want it

568
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: on Team Ortiz. They're saying they want it because they

569
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 4: want the big money and the big opportunities. Of course,

570
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: Virgil Oochiez just went through how your career could could

571
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 4: go south, would not even be your fault with the illness,

572
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: and he lost, He'd move away like it was a

573
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: train wreck for a while.

574
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: A lot of questions. That's why him answering them was

575
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: so refreshing. But he's not a.

576
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: Perfect fighter, and I don't think he's on Bud's level,

577
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: to be honest with you.

578
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: But that's not even the argument. I don't think Ortiz

579
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: wants it.

580
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: If you actually watched the live broadcast and saw that

581
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 4: full Turkey in Oscar interview, it was interesting when Turkey said, look,

582
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: if Ortiz wins tonight, we're making Crawford next. And then

583
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: it was Oscar who goes, oh yeah, or Tim Zu

584
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: and don't forget it was Turkey who right away grabbed

585
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: back the mic and like I said, kind of daddy

586
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 4: passed him, was like absolutely not.

587
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: Turkey, you know.

588
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: I think he said specifically, Tim Zoo is not on

589
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: our map anymore. And it looked like Oscar was almost dejected,

590
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: and then that's why you saw him coming around again

591
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 4: being over exaggerate, like.

592
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, fuck it, we'll do it. We'll do

593
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: it right.

594
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: We signed this deal, I asked for it, you're giving

595
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: me the money. We're gonna do it. But I don't

596
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: think it's the right fight for either guy because of this.

597
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: It's not big enough. Crawford has one world title right

598
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 4: now that he just won over Madrumov. Although this is

599
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: the interim WBC title, it's really a BS. It just

600
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 4: means you get the next shot at the title. It's

601
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: really like a number one contender thing. So this isn't

602
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 4: a title fight. It would be a lot bigger when

603
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: you consider how many fights does Bud have left, I

604
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: don't know as big. This would be a big fight,

605
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: it would pay him a lot, it'd be a tough fight,

606
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: but think about what's actually at stake.

607
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: Bud has done.

608
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: Something so unique late in his career and now he's

609
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: finally getting opportunities at the bigger names to round out

610
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: his resume. Obviously, he went undisputed at one forty earlier.

611
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: He comes back and does it at one forty seven

612
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: going through Aerol Spence. And that's why when we were

613
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 4: talking about the Canelo fight, a big part of that

614
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 4: appeal is, Dude, he can go on disputed now in

615
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: three divisions, which has never been done in this modern

616
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: four belt era, right because back in the day you

617
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: didn't have a split of the belt, so it was

618
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: always undisputed. Right. But why it's not the right fight

619
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: right now for Crawford is if he's only got a

620
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: few fights left, why not Bill, if you're not gonna

621
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: fight Canelo because the Canello certainly doesn't want it. Wouldn't

622
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: becoming the undisputed champion at fifty four be your true goal?

623
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: And there are marketable names out there with belts, so

624
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 4: why not have him instead? Try to unify with a Fundora,

625
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: try to unify with with you know, the other belt holders,

626
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: and then try to revisit this because guess why, I

627
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: don't think Ortiz wants it. When he was asked in

628
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: the interview, yeah, I said, yeah, sure, I'll fight Bud.

629
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: This is great, a big fight, and then he said, also,

630
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: we'd love to fight the winner of the WBC title

631
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: fight that's proposed, not official, between Ero Spence Junior and

632
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: Sebastian Frondora, the champion. So you know, he would have

633
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 4: to let him go down that road become the real

634
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 4: WBC champion if he can beat the winner of that fight,

635
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 4: or if he can get the fight with Fundora next

636
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: and go directly to the belt and then try to

637
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: circle back, and this fight would be so much bigger.

638
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: I don't think Oscar wants to put, by the way,

639
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: Zipaida and Ortez his two biggest active assets. Oscar Golden

640
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: Boys does not have a big, big list of quality

641
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: names right now. He's got some big names. Ryan Garcia

642
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: obviously a big one, but he can't fight right now.

643
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: These two are his biggest guys. They're both undefeated. You

644
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: have a chance to serve them up against huge a

645
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: sides will be highly favored to win. But they're great

646
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 4: fights for sure. I think Oscar would much prefer what

647
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: fight Tim Zoo versus Ortiz. It was supposed to go

648
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: down on the August third card or Zoo had to

649
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: pull out because his cut wasn't healed, and then Zoo

650
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 4: made his own choice to schedule a fight coming up

651
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 4: in September at home and to go in the title

652
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: route and try to pick up a.

653
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Loose belt there.

654
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: So, Mike, that long ramble is just to say, I

655
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: like everything that you had to say, but I don't

656
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Speaker 4: think it's the right fight for either of those guys.

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Speaker 4: I think Ortiz two would probably want to get more

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Speaker 4: under his belt, more big time experience. But if Turkey

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Speaker 4: wants it, he may get it. It seems the way

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Speaker 4: it's gonna go. It's just interesting that he was so

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Speaker 4: quick to cross Zoo out, especially when Zoo this week

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Speaker 4: when he was doing interviews was basically like, look, I

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Speaker 4: got nothing against Turkey.

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Speaker 1: I want to work with him. There was just some miscommunication, and.

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Speaker 4: I think if we're reading through the lines here, I

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Speaker 4: think Zoo realized he can make so much money fighting

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Speaker 4: at home.

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Speaker 1: Why not continue to milk that Right now? You don't

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Speaker 1: need to do this.

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Speaker 4: But if Turkey says yes, I don't know who's gonna

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Speaker 4: stop him. This is why I think we have to

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Speaker 4: have a discussion in a few minutes about how much

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Speaker 4: influence is too much in that regard. That was potentially

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Speaker 4: the fight of the year and a lot of fun

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Speaker 4: stuff could come out of that.

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Speaker 1: But we also saw the knockout of the year potentially.

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Speaker 4: But before we show that, can I show you the

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Speaker 4: second place for knockout of the year that happened to

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Speaker 4: take place Saturday at the Boha Chuck Fight.

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Speaker 1: Against Orties in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Watch this scuffle between the fans and watch the gentleman

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Speaker 4: in the hat specifically because he's about to get knocked

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Speaker 4: the ft out.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh good lord, Mike.

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Speaker 4: We don't condone this type of violence in the crowd,

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Speaker 4: but we'll play it on this show and really just

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Speaker 4: live it up.

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Speaker 1: That's as clean as it gets in crowdfights.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean it is just such a slick

690
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Speaker 7: knockout too, because he dead at him and then he

691
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Speaker 7: was just like, all right, I'm out of here and just.

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Speaker 6: Walked right up theirs very casually.

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Speaker 7: There were no follow up shots or no often you

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Speaker 7: can tell that that wasn't the first knockout of that

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Speaker 7: large individual's career.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think he's got a few

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Speaker 1: notches on the old belt.

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Speaker 4: Let's set up the real highlight that really is in

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Speaker 4: the leadership position at the moment. Here in this knockout

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Speaker 4: race for twenty twenty four in boxing. It happened at

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Speaker 4: the top rank ESPN card in Albuquerque. Angelo Leo, you remember,

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Speaker 4: may remember him boxing on Showtime back in the day,

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Speaker 4: former world champion, moved up in wait fighting the champion

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Speaker 4: Luis Alberto Lopez.

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Speaker 1: This is Leo in his backyard.

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Speaker 4: He's a three to one underdog and at this point

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Speaker 4: in the fight he was up by a point on

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Speaker 4: two scorecards, down by a point on the third, and Mike,

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Speaker 4: Holy shit balls, look at that.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, heads scamming off the canvas. Goy, let's see.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, bam, Mike.

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Speaker 4: I think when you're talking about debates of knockouts, when

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Speaker 4: you add in some of the things like won a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the stakes were gigantic, and I think

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Speaker 7: a lot of people were talking about maybe Anthony Joshua

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Speaker 7: having the knockout of the year against France and Ghano,

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Speaker 7: considering how big that fight was. But that wasn't like

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Speaker 7: a surprise here you know what I mean, that wasn't

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Speaker 7: to it. We weren't sure how long Francis was going

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Speaker 7: to do the boxing thing for it. This is just

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Speaker 6: But man, this was this.

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Speaker 7: Was just so clean, man, and considering what was on

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Speaker 6: BC.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't work so nice.

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Speaker 4: And to see the body fall and then the head bounce,

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Speaker 4: that's a big time moment for Angelo Lao. So shout

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Speaker 4: out there, Hey, big night for box You know I

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Speaker 4: love it. I gotta get fire up when my sport delivers. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 7: Sorry to interrupt. You want another thing that stow out

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Speaker 1: That dude, Cherry, what are we doing? Yeah? That was

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Speaker 4: shout out there, Mike, Let's head into here. Topic number two.

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Speaker 4: Let's Turkey on Turkey. Yeah, I'm talking about Turkey. Ala

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Speaker 4: Sheik boxing Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: It's been an.

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Speaker 4: Interesting week for him, to be very fair, it's been

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Speaker 4: read season in the US. Last week August third, Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: when Terrence Crawford wins the close decision over Madry Moov.

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Speaker 4: We've got an eminem concert, but we also had, for

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Speaker 4: the first time really some weird propaganda thrown in Saudi

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Speaker 4: Arabia National Anthem with no fighters there. Turkey getting inducted

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Speaker 4: into the Nevada Boxing Hall of Fame on Californian soil for.

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Speaker 1: No reason and a lot of worship. Bow down. Look,

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Speaker 1: Turkey Alshik is doing big.

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Speaker 4: Things right now, big things this sport needs in a

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Speaker 4: lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: But Mike Heck, tell me if I'm crazy here.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get into this Canelo bee for a second,

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Speaker 4: but straight up tell me if I'm crazy. Brent brook

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Speaker 4: House is CBS Sports brought this up to me, my colleague,

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Speaker 4: basically saying, I wonder if we look back at that

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame induction that happened that night and the

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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabian trip giveaways and all that as maybe a

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Speaker 4: turning point. Is the honeymoon on Turkey Ala chics starting

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Speaker 4: to come over? Are we starting to see him turn heel?

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Speaker 4: Are we seeing a new side of him? I feel

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Speaker 4: like my timeline and my feels around me in the

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Speaker 4: boxing game. I'm starting to get some people saying, wait,

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Speaker 4: hold up, am I crazy?

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Speaker 7: Here Turkey is what Don Davis wishes he was where

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Speaker 7: he has the clout but could say whatever he wants

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Speaker 7: and it'll have actual impact on things. Where Don Davis

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Speaker 7: just says things and we don't believe a word of

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Speaker 7: what he says because why should we. Everything he said

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Speaker 7: has not really come true to this point. And there's

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Speaker 7: a topic that we're going to touch on later on

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Speaker 7: with some fights that have been made where we're finally like, oh,

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Speaker 7: maybe Don is actually doing the thing here.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, man, it's it's just been a weird.

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Speaker 7: Time where one guy has basically just pieces of all

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Speaker 7: the other promoters that have made Hay over the last

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Speaker 7: several years, from the Don Kings to the Dana Whites.

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Speaker 7: He's got pieces of all of those guys. Where he's

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Speaker 7: got the Dana, He's not afraid to clap back, although

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Speaker 7: Dana likes to go on his friend's podcast and clap back.

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Speaker 6: Or even just jump on Twitter and blash it. He

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Speaker 6: just does not care.

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Speaker 1: He comes pretty impressed.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't have like a Trumpian tone to his like the

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Speaker 4: way that he fields insults and fires back.

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Speaker 6: Ah, he's just there. I just don't understand this.

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Speaker 7: At first, I was like this dude's just showing out

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Speaker 7: money and money talks that can make things happen. But

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Speaker 7: now he's he's found himself kind of becoming a draw himself,

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Speaker 7: where he's become the personality he's trying to become.

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Speaker 6: He's for the a side, the star himself.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So he put out a picture today by the way

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Speaker 4: of him and Shaquarse Stevenson, who seems to be like

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Speaker 4: we talked about this zepeieda fight one of his next

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Speaker 4: big signees or favorite fighters that he focuses, and I

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Speaker 4: now in the comments, tell me why I'm bad for boxing.

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Speaker 4: So the reason why I bring up this topic and

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Speaker 4: make it a topic really spawned off of the war

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Speaker 4: words with Canelo, But I do think it goes deeper

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Speaker 4: since that weird moment in LA it does feel like

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Speaker 4: Turkey's peacocking a little bit more, clapping back on Thursdays

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Speaker 4: or all days a little bit more let's talk about

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Speaker 4: this Canelo thing. So he got into a war wards

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00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: that began last Monday. Right Canelo began a two day

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Speaker 4: press conference tour with Edgar Berlanga ahead of their September

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Speaker 4: fourteenth fight obviously going up against the sphere in UFC

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Speaker 4: card in Las Vegas. Let's throw Long Island Luke to

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Speaker 4: the initial. These are some of the There's an interview that

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Speaker 4: Canelo did after the press conference where he was told

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Speaker 4: about Turkey Ali Chik saying, hey, if you go a

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Speaker 4: head to head September fourteenth, we're gonna crush you. Let's

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Speaker 4: hear Canelos react.

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Speaker 10: Find some of his comments almost disrespectful when he was

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Speaker 10: talking about eat you alive head to head on Mexican

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Speaker 10: Independis Day, and if you're smart, you'll take the deal.

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Speaker 6: I'd respect everybody.

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Speaker 12: I'd respect everybody, but I don't like that way he

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Speaker 12: told us. But he's probam on my program, and and

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Speaker 12: I don't ask for a fight, and I don't ask

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Speaker 12: for any fight, so I don't I respect.

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Speaker 6: Like I said, see if he wants a five.

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Speaker 12: Me with all the guys Guinea in my way, no way.

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Speaker 1: Let's address that part first and foremost.

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Speaker 4: You could slant this war and we got to clap

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Speaker 4: back from Turkey coming here. We're gonna show as about

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00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: is Canelo ducking the Benavidez and or Crawford fights, and

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00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: we've talked about that a lot on the show, and

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00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 4: that's in play in this argument.

874
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: But Mike, what do you feel about the back end

875
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: of that?

876
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: So specifically, does Canelo the cash cow and boxing guy

877
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: who clearly is calling his own shots to a stubborn

878
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 4: level where he's like, you guys all want this, I

879
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: don't even want this right now, So I'm gonna do

880
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: what I want, whether you respect it or not, whether

881
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: you think he's earned it a chance to do that

882
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: or not. He's basically saying, like, no, not on your terms,

883
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: not the way you've been talking to others. In fact,

884
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: Canelo was quoted a couple of times saying, I don't

885
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: like the way you talk to fighters.

886
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Is there something there is Canelo right do?

887
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: Should you have to respect him, come to him and

888
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: play on Canelo's rules or is box Santa Claus already

889
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: in a year and a half established that you're either

890
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: with me or you're against me.

891
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 7: It's probably like a little of calm and a little

892
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 7: of columb Canelo is such a brand, especially around that

893
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 7: time of year, that he can fight anybody and it's

894
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 7: gonna be a big deal and it can be up

895
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 7: against anything. Else that's ten miles down the road and

896
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 7: it's still gonna be a very big deal. Canello can

897
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 7: fight Berlanga and it's still gonna sell out Team Mobile.

898
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 7: It's gonna do fine on pay per view. Like Canelo

899
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 7: is just he's a star. He's he's a massive draw,

900
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 7: especially in Las Vegas, especially that time of year. So yeah,

901
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 7: there aren't a lot of people in Canelo's position who

902
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 7: can actually say the things he's saying, and you can say,

903
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 7: you know what, he's probably right, but Canelo is that

904
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 7: guy like he is in that position where he doesn't

905
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 7: need to fight any of these other guys, and people

906
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 7: will complain along the way because that's what combat sports

907
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 7: fans do and that's what pundits do, and you should.

908
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 7: But at the same token, it's not slowing down his

909
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 7: bottom line. It's not like he's not gonna make tens

910
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 7: of millions of dollars for an easier fight in a

911
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 7: sold out arena in Las Vegas, whether the spear is

912
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 7: happening or not. So yeah, he's one of the rare

913
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 7: people in this sport right now that can go up

914
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 7: against Turkey. May not get the blockbuster fights that Turkey

915
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 7: is presenting or that boxing fans want to see. But

916
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 7: by the time September fourteenth rolls around, no one's gonna

917
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 7: care BC because Canelo is fighting on Mexican Independence Day.

918
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 7: He's probably gonna melt this guy and people are gonna

919
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 7: be talking about it.

920
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 6: That's just how it works.

921
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: I do think there's something to what Canel is saying about,

922
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: like show me the respect, because look, I agree from

923
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: when he arrived what Turkey Alashik, despite the controversy of

924
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: what he brought with him, which is the Saudi Arabian element,

925
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: the fact that they're not here first and foremost to

926
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: improve boxing or to change boxing or fixed boxing.

927
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: They're here to carry out their agenda.

928
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 4: And that agenda can be as extreme if you think

929
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: it's just straight sports washing and we're all just falling

930
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: victim to it, despite you know, crimes of that country.

931
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: And I mean we've debated that million times. We know

932
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about here.

933
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: I think to some degree actually, as hardcore boxing fans

934
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: like myself, we've been very willing to say, Okay, we'll

935
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: accept that other side and just hope that it ends

936
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: up all right for what you're giving us, which is

937
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: dream fights. In some degree that can only be made

938
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 4: if your checkbook is willing to do it.

939
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: In the in the it's not just the checkbook, it's

940
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: the commercials, it's the infrastructure.

941
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: He's making it feel big and grand. Turkey's succeeding in

942
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: that level. But even though the fighters are getting paid

943
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: very well, which is why I think we've even been

944
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: willing as a boxing media to almost not bring up

945
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: the monopoly Muhammad Ali Act violation side of it either,

946
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: to be very fair, it's almost as if we're acting

947
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: like that's not even part of the equation, or the

948
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: fact that in MMA we're constantly railing and filling these

949
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: podcasts against the UFC for their monopolistic control and they're not.

950
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's the difference that they're not paying the

951
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: fighters the same and that at least the boxers are

952
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: getting paid. Maybe, but I don't love the way that

953
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: Turkey talks to or about the fighters. Yes, it's built

954
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: up in I want to make you the legend, get

955
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 4: the exposure and coverage that you deserve.

956
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: It's not in every person. I think with Crawford, he's

957
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: gonna end.

958
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: Up doing great things for Crawford in that level, But man,

959
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: this guy's quick to clap back. Let's show now the

960
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: response to Canelo, and I think this is the first

961
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: time he really got very aggressive, saying I Heardlo what

962
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: Canelo said, that he respects me but doesn't like the

963
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: way we do business. As for him respecting me, it

964
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: doesn't matter to me if he does or not. He

965
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: would go on to really say, and I know how

966
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 4: he feels after losing to bevol so he's been looking

967
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: for easier fights since. Also, I'm not the one who's

968
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: afraid of fighting Benavitez or Crawford. And he would go

969
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: on to continue as you can read there, dunking on

970
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: Canelo on the way out. So, Mike, this was heavy handed.

971
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: I definitely saw a split reaction in the boxing game.

972
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: A lot of people going man, finally, some of these

973
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: promoters getting balls and telling it like it is for

974
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: real against Canelo for ducking. And I've been on the

975
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 4: Canelo ducking train. It pisses me off.

976
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's.

977
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: Potentially gonna negatively change the respect in the way we

978
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 4: look at him historically if he follows through with it

979
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: all the way.

980
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: But this is very aggressive here from Turkey.

981
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: I think Canelo's onto something that like you're making it

982
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 4: like you're either with me or you're out of the

983
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: game and you're an idiot, because that's kind of what

984
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: he's saying. He's saying the same thing about Zoo right now, like, Oh,

985
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: these guys just don't get it. If they're smart, they'll

986
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 4: come with me. But I think he's also been thrown

987
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 4: around little threats. He did a bunch of times on

988
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: the aerial interview of like, even if you aren't with me,

989
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: whether you're a promoter or a networker or a sanctioning body,

990
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: we're gonna do this anyway. So, Mike, how do you

991
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 4: respond after seeing that from Turkey, because now it's like

992
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna almost get Dana White like and slap this guy.

993
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: On the way out.

994
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he spent That's basically what I what

995
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 7: I thought about it was he spent a lot of

996
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 7: time with Dana White in Saudi Arabia, and you know

997
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 7: he's learned from him. They formed some sort of a

998
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 7: kinship and a partnership. And it's very rare that you

999
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 7: see somebody sort of not have Dana backpedaling, but at

1000
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 7: least to some degree, because you remember, if you were

1001
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 7: watching that Saudi Arabia card. At the end of it,

1002
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 7: before they did the post fight show, John Annick is

1003
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 7: doing an interview with both Dana and Turkey, and johnna

1004
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 7: asked Dana question and Dana answers it the way that

1005
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 7: he wants, like, Yeah, we're gonna come back and we're

1006
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 7: gonna do some stuff. And then they would bring the

1007
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 7: mic to Turkey's like yeah, and we're gonna do a

1008
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 7: pay per view and you're gonna give us this, and

1009
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 7: you gotta give us that, and you can see the

1010
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 7: look on Dana's face.

1011
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: Like the hell is going on here? What is this

1012
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 6: guy doing?

1013
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 7: And it just kept happening, like every topic they brought up,

1014
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 7: Dana would say something very positive about Turkey and Saudi Arabia,

1015
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: and Turkey be like, yeah, you guys are great, but

1016
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 7: we're gonna do this, And by all accounts, when the

1017
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 7: UFC was gonna go to Saudi Arabia.

1018
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 6: In March, Turkey was like, hell, no, you're not bringing

1019
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 6: us this card.

1020
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 7: Come back with something better and then we'll talk again,

1021
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 7: because we're paying you a bunch of money and this

1022
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 7: card needs to be worth the millions of dollars that

1023
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 7: we are giving you right now. Dana used to that,

1024
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 7: and I also don't think I think, just from a

1025
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 7: human element standpoint, I don't think Turkey's used to anybody

1026
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 7: saying no to him.

1027
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 6: Or clocking back at him no. And this is just

1028
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 6: him being stubborn as hell.

1029
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: So when he ripped Canelo and then they went back

1030
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: and forth a little bit more, I said, half of

1031
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 4: the people were like, yeah, great, someone's finally bring it

1032
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 4: to Canelo. But the other half, I think are taking

1033
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: into totality of what has gone on in the last

1034
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: two weeks where Turkey's feeling himself more being more aggressive,

1035
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: that it's getting too heavy handed. Meaning look, he talked

1036
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: down to Oscar on air, basically saying, if you read

1037
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 4: through the lines, I control you now, you will do

1038
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: what I say. That's what it sounded like, Okay, that's

1039
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 4: what seems to be doing. Only Frank Warren Edie Heart

1040
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: seemed to be like willing Bob Aarram to some degree too,

1041
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 4: like we understand that to get to this level and

1042
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: to make these fights, you're not having Usic Fury one

1043
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: and two or bev all better be without him.

1044
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: You're just not in this modern climate. So there's that

1045
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: great element.

1046
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: But he's taking a lot and I think we were

1047
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: willing to easily give away all right, it's sports washing,

1048
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: but again we're getting the greatest fights you can have.

1049
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: That part of.

1050
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: It is all of boxing going to be willing to

1051
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: give away more, meaning I think he's pretty soon on

1052
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 4: this genius plan. I don't think he has to pull

1053
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: off that Reuter's story that came out a couple months

1054
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: ago where you buy every promotion. I don't think it

1055
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: would work, and I don't even think he needs it.

1056
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: He's getting the influence from the inside out. You can

1057
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: see that by putting that huge sponsorship money on these cards.

1058
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: He's now kind of owning the f final stamp.

1059
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: Right.

1060
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: He's the last boss in the video game, it seems,

1061
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: and he's calling the shots. So is boxing ready for that?

1062
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: Will that work in MMA? I think there's a lot

1063
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: of questions to be still talked about. Because here's one

1064
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: thing I will say from a purist of boxing mic

1065
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: he kind of speaks like a casual at times, and

1066
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: I think it's dangerous with the control he has because

1067
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 4: he wants to throw out fights that like it's like

1068
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: dream fights. And what's the biggest problem in boxing, we

1069
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: don't always get the fights we deserve and want and

1070
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: dream about. Yes, so this is kind of a weird

1071
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: extended holiday where it's like we don't know what to

1072
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: do with it.

1073
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Should we still complain? I don't know.

1074
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: But even though it's going great, I don't know if

1075
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: I want to give away this car crash matchmaking style

1076
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: consistently like this, where just because he wants it, he's

1077
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: gonna get it. I don't think it's made a lot

1078
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: of sense. You could argue, and I think some people did.

1079
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: Eric Askin wrote a great column boxing scene about it.

1080
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: Like Big Baby Anderson top rank, they know what they're

1081
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: doing in matchmaking. He's probably not gonna step up that quickly.

1082
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: In reality, if Turkey doesn't say I identify you, I

1083
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: like you, you will change your trainers now that I've

1084
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: asked you, and you will fight this tough fight against

1085
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: Martin Baccoley. It just so happened that the theater boxing

1086
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: it was an upset and it was a great moment, and

1087
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: we'll see if Big Baby can bounce back. But I

1088
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: wonder if he's potentially has a chance to shake up boxing,

1089
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: which we hope he does. In entertaining ways where the

1090
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: control goes too much. He speaks like a casual fan.

1091
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: I think he's a disrespectful at times to the fighters.

1092
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: I think he's starting to show you that he's ready

1093
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: to walk over everyone because he's signing a check at

1094
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: the end of the day. And now you have to

1095
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: ask yourself. The money's great, but this isn't his personal wealth.

1096
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: He's an appointee of this nation that does have a

1097
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 4: somewhat questionable history that we're trying to deal with. What's

1098
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: the limit on the control that the industry can allow? Mike,

1099
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: are we getting to a point where we're seeing negative

1100
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: things in the future or we just fill in podcast

1101
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: airtime and the proof will be in the putting Where

1102
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: you where are you on that level? Because this isn't

1103
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: just boxing now, this is going to be the sphere.

1104
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: This is going to be a continued relationship on the

1105
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: UFC side.

1106
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got an MMA promoter mentality and a long

1107
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 7: growing boxing world, and the boxing world just isn't used

1108
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 7: to this. My big I guess my biggest question of

1109
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 7: all of this is is this like attitude era booking?

1110
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 7: And I know people who watch our programming when I say,

1111
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 7: when I compare mma to pro wrestling, or compare combat

1112
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 7: sports to pro wrestling, they get all mad at me.

1113
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 7: But Attitude Era was the biggest time in the history

1114
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 7: of the business. We got all the big matches, the

1115
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 7: ratings are back, WCW's kicking WWE's ass. And then WWE

1116
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 7: finally came back, and then they just they put WCW

1117
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 7: out of business. But the fear of longtime fans was

1118
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 7: is this sustainable over a long period of time, And

1119
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 7: as it turned out, it wasn't, And to some degree

1120
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 7: it took twenty five years for the business of pro

1121
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 7: wrestling to recover from the crash TV. We need this

1122
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 7: right now, now now now now booking that they did,

1123
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 7: and I feel like with Turkey coming in, there's similar

1124
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 7: vibes to it.

1125
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 6: Where how long is this sustainable for?

1126
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 7: And on top of that, are people willing to accept

1127
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 7: this for such a long period of time?

1128
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna get the big fights.

1129
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: But if a Canalo starts clapping back at Turkey, what

1130
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 7: happens If Bud Crowford starts clapping are you here?

1131
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: How are you gonna do?

1132
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're out, are you gonna form?

1133
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: Is there gonna be like a WCW that rises up

1134
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 4: because it feels like the big PBC stars are telling

1135
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 4: him I don't need you. Is that gonna be where

1136
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: like the people that don't want to work with him,

1137
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: kind of like when Vince mc mann went national in

1138
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, Right suddenly the other promoters are trying

1139
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: to scurry together and make something happen.

1140
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be that. I don't know.

1141
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 4: It's certainly exciting, it's interesting. Boxing never fails to give

1142
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: us weird things to talk about. In this regard, I

1143
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: think there's a comical level of Turkey's character in a

1144
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 4: fun way.

1145
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of him.

1146
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, he comes out there casually

1147
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: and just calls the shots, walks right into the locker room, says,

1148
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 4: we're gonna do my plan.

1149
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, good. It's kind of interesting.

1150
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 4: But what I don't like is we know too much

1151
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 4: about his plans, meaning it's disrespectful to the B side

1152
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 4: of all these huge fights that he's almost walking over

1153
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 4: them and saying, when this guy wins, he will fight

1154
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: this next. And it's like, it's great, I want that

1155
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: fight too, But then when we see these upsets like

1156
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: they brought in Wilder for big fights to try to

1157
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: get to the Joshua fight, and that was a Trainwick

1158
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: was wild or even ready to come back. Was he

1159
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: lured by money? That's obviously his decision. But we're just

1160
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: throwing things at the wall aggressively. That like a little

1161
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: bit more care and nuance to the experts who have

1162
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: built a reputation for multiple decades promoting in game planning

1163
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: exactly like this. I don't know if you can copilot

1164
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 4: the ship with him. That's really what I'm trying to

1165
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: say here, Mike. And it's going to be interesting to see.

1166
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: Will there be defectors or will you know, will this

1167
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 4: become a thing or are we just all going to

1168
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: show up and keep getting great fights.

1169
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1170
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike.

1171
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, five years from now, I'm really interested to see

1172
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 7: what this all looks like in both sports.

1173
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: Really am well, as long as this show doesn't too,

1174
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 4: can we show that to zone lower third. I want

1175
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: to respect the guy, all right, I'll call him by

1176
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: his title, which is what the head of the General

1177
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: Entertainment Authority or whatever it is. But even on his

1178
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 4: own they're like, no, he is his excellency, Mike you will.

1179
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: I feel like there is a line in combat sports,

1180
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 4: and we're separating the group here. You're either going willing

1181
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: to call him his excellency on the air, or you're

1182
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: willing to not. I'm in the not not necessary to

1183
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: want to go down that road.

1184
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: A lot of people are on the other side of

1185
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: that line, though.

1186
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if that's job security related,

1187
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: but god, it's a lower third on the screen.

1188
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

1189
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 7: I mean, I wish I could say I'm surprised by

1190
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 7: this PC, but I'm just not.

1191
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 6: I'm just not. Yeah, this is this is what we've become.

1192
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: This is what we've become.

1193
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 7: It's just it's it's basically like, look at all the

1194
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 7: celebrities we have here, but let's show Donald Trump on

1195
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 7: the screen for the forty seventh consecutive times.

1196
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 6: It's just what it is.

1197
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: It is a similar level of aggressive propaganda.

1198
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: Okay, let me ask you if the sphere happens, Let's

1199
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: say they continue this Canelo Turkey feud, because they're gonna

1200
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: be going head to head in a lot of ways.

1201
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: If there's a Saudi Arabian national.

1202
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: Anthem at the sphere for that pro Mexican Independence stay card, Like,

1203
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 4: am I making up shit that doesn't need to be

1204
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: talked about because it didn't seem like people were upset

1205
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 4: and the arena that the Saudi Arabian national.

1206
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: Anthem played like respect to that nation? What are we

1207
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: doing here? That's aggressive?

1208
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a little aggressive. BC, it's a little aggressive.

1209
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 7: And on top of that, I think a lot of

1210
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 7: the people who have a problem with Sean O'Malley Morob

1211
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 7: D Wallace really headlining this card on Mexican Independence Day

1212
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 7: when the rest of the fighters include some sort of

1213
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 7: fighter from Mexico.

1214
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 6: I mean, those people are gonna be poosed. They're gonna

1215
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 6: be real mad. BC.

1216
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 7: So yeah, that whole event, I just I have so

1217
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 7: many questions about and it's one of those things where

1218
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 7: I'll have all these questions but I won't get any

1219
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 7: answers until September fourteenth.

1220
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 6: It's gotta be crazy.

1221
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 7: I'm very intrigued to see how they pull it off,

1222
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 7: especially if this truly is a one.

1223
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: And done all right.

1224
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: If anyone wondering if I just turned heel against Turkey, No, officially,

1225
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 4: I haven't. I'm watching. I'm an observer with an opinion.

1226
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: I hope this works out. I hope he makes the

1227
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: big fights. But Turkey, I did see that post you

1228
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 4: put up in another language. I had to hit translate

1229
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: on not the first of I saw this one where

1230
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: he says he's the most influential figure in boxing in MMA.

1231
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: I mean he's supporting that title there, Mike, so we

1232
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: know what he believes his role is right now in

1233
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: this even though it seems to be more about changing

1234
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: the image of the nation, He's already grabbed the steering

1235
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 4: wheel on both sports in his mind, and I've got it.

1236
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: But Dude, he dropped. He went on a.

1237
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: Trash talking ran against American restaurants.

1238
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: Service hotels.

1239
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 4: He said, people in our nation know that we can't

1240
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 4: wear a watch on American stile or it will be stolen.

1241
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: I'm not holding the grudge here, but what the I mean?

1242
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: Have you ever been to a sheets or a Cumberland farms, Turkey.

1243
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: You'd be blown away, Dude. They got in the rollers,

1244
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: They're like, it's incredible. I mean, where did he eat? Mike?

1245
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: What do you think about that post? Damn got me

1246
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: fired up? Turkey. Maybe he went to DC. Have you

1247
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: ever been to DC? Mike, the service people that are

1248
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: so angry, just so angry, I could have bad comedy.

1249
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what the equation is. Maybe Turkey got

1250
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: a hold of that, but uh, I.

1251
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 7: Mean this dude just don't care. No one's safe VC,

1252
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 7: no one safe. No one's the restaurant industry, the tourism industry,

1253
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 7: the boxing industry, the mixed martial arts industry. Nobody's safe

1254
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 7: from this man's wrath PC nobody.

1255
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: All right, we got a couple more ms, Mike. I

1256
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: really appreciate you being here in your time. It's this

1257
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: is this is fun.

1258
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: Let's go to topic at number four and let's uh

1259
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: or topic number three, and let's switch over to the UFC.

1260
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 4: We did have an apex card on Saturday.

1261
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: It happened. I watched it.

1262
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: It just matters if anyone else did, and if they didn't,

1263
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: did it actually exist?

1264
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: It was Sergey Spivack.

1265
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: By the way, Avenging is twenty twenty loss to Marchen

1266
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: ty Bura amid rumors, by the way that the UFC

1267
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: apex we know it's going to go under a twenty

1268
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: five million dollar renovation. Dana White has said that in

1269
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: multiple interviews, but the rumors are by the way, that

1270
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 4: this could close in November and not reopen until July

1271
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five, which I think maybe could change

1272
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 4: the face of what we.

1273
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: Expect or get of late from these fight nights.

1274
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 4: First and foremost, Mike, I complain on the show a

1275
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 4: lot and get called out for it.

1276
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: But was this, on paper the worst fight night card

1277
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: in this era of.

1278
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: Really bad APEX fight night cards that fill your podcast

1279
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 4: and mine with my voice yelling about it?

1280
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Is this?

1281
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1282
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: Is this as bad as again?

1283
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 6: This was the worst. This is the worst on paper

1284
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 6: and it was the worst in execution.

1285
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 7: And when I say this, I don't want this to

1286
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 7: sound like I am digging at the fighters or trashing

1287
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 7: the fighters. I'm just a man who will watch fights

1288
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 7: and will enjoy them as a fan. But come on, man, like,

1289
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 7: give us some stakes. You're the freaking UFC. This isn't

1290
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 7: just some come from behind organization. This isn't a regional promotion.

1291
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 6: This is the tip of the top. This is like

1292
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: giving us Monday night football.

1293
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 7: But it's like the last place teams on every like

1294
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 7: in every single week.

1295
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 6: Nobody wants that.

1296
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 7: We want to see the Patriots with Tom Brady as

1297
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 7: the quarterback playing Peyton Manning and the Colts give us

1298
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 7: that once in a while. This was just so bad,

1299
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 7: and even the things that were bright about it, like

1300
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 7: the five pm start time and just ten fights, which

1301
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 7: by the way, ten fights should be the number for

1302
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 7: all these APEX cards. When it was all said and done,

1303
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 7: I felt like I watched fights for fourteen hours.

1304
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 6: I felt like this is.

1305
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 7: A this is Bellator Dublin, this is nineteen twenty twenty

1306
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 7: one fights. Because the pacing of this card was atrocious.

1307
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 6: It was so bad.

1308
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 7: All these went to decisions, and then we had to

1309
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 7: do a promotional package about this, and then we had

1310
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 7: to learn about how Sergey Speedback met his wife and

1311
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 7: now they're having a family, which is all great stories.

1312
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 7: But I don't need to see this. I just I'm

1313
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 7: ready for the next fight to start. It made me

1314
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 7: miss when the UFC did Fight Night cards on Fight Pass.

1315
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 7: Those were the best because we get fifteen fights. There

1316
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 7: were no commercial breaks, and I understand they work with

1317
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 7: the ESPN. You gotta throw some commercial breaks out. I

1318
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 7: don't need to see wonder Boy and Kevin Holland fighting

1319
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 7: and then taking shots of tequila with ice backs on

1320
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 7: their face.

1321
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 6: Eight hundred times.

1322
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't hot and fiery season, Mike, Okay,

1323
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 4: all right.

1324
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Is it's so brutal.

1325
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 6: It's just so brutal like and they don't care. They

1326
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 6: don't care.

1327
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 7: I gotta tell you, I've been working for Fighting for

1328
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 7: a little over four years now. This was the card

1329
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 7: that had the least amount of interest that I.

1330
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 6: Have ever seen, like by far. Usually you get something.

1331
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: But Scott Calvio used to be a measuring stick. This

1332
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 4: is this is a new level. It is and we've

1333
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 4: had a few of these conversations this calendar year. But

1334
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: I actually watched the whole card. Yeah, may have been

1335
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: sitting in row eight there. It helps your motivation to

1336
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: keep watching with the record player going. But uh, I

1337
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: mean it wasn't awful, but this is this just was

1338
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 4: a major league It is what it is.

1339
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: Okay, they don't care, they don't care. That's where we're at, Mike.

1340
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 4: Will it change based upon the fact we can show

1341
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 4: some pictures here that I think Ken Hathaway of MMA

1342
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: Junkie took that the construction seems to have begne here.

1343
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: I can't confirm that the rumor is true on the

1344
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: closing in November, reopening next summer. But this will mean

1345
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: they're going back on the road full time. Will that

1346
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: make it feel bigger even if the cards aren't great,

1347
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: just with the crowd element there. Are you expecting that

1348
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 4: we're no longer going to be talking about this week

1349
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 4: to week anymore? Or is it still dependent on giving

1350
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: us something to watch atop the marquee.

1351
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 7: B see not that long ago, in front of what

1352
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 7: became the biggest fight night audience in US history, the

1353
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 7: biggest gate ever for a fight night in the UFC's history.

1354
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 6: We got Derek Lewis, who I love.

1355
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 7: Versus Rodrigo Noscimento as a main event, a main event,

1356
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 7: and they sold all the tickets for they It does

1357
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 7: not matter. They can literally throw shit at the wall

1358
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 7: and people be like, oh, it's two thousand dollars, Sure,

1359
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 7: I'll go watch the shit stick to the wall. It's

1360
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 7: gonna be great because there's fights, and they haven't come

1361
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 7: to our town in so long. It's just wild how

1362
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 7: big their businesses right now and they can do literally anything.

1363
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 7: I haven't heard much about the Apex shutting down either,

1364
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 7: but I joked about this and I honestly think there

1365
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 7: might be some truth to it, And I don't know.

1366
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 7: I don't have any actual insight. I could see a

1367
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 7: war with the UFC, just like puts cones and yellow

1368
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 7: tape around the octagon, like, oh no, we're still we're

1369
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 7: not gonna leave the Apex, like we we We'll still

1370
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 7: just do construction in the back here.

1371
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 4: But dude, they'll take be so so Paul Anka is

1372
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 4: still sitting in the VIP lounge, has no idea why

1373
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: he's there. This is great, you know, wow. Yeah, I'm

1374
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: those production costs. I don't think the matchmaking is gonna change,

1375
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: but I think you're right. I think it's gonna just

1376
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 4: that I was going to make the broadcast better. I mean,

1377
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 4: Long Island, Luke, people like you with the Gender of

1378
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 4: Gambling podcast, with taking bong grips are gonna watch anything.

1379
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: You told me that many times.

1380
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I watched this card this weekend too, and

1381
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 5: Mike's right, it was absolutely terrible, but I'm gonna watch

1382
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 5: it regardless.

1383
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: All right.

1384
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm not going to ask you if

1385
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: Sergey Spivac now winning four or five at age twenty nine,

1386
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: all four by stoppages and avenging that lost to Tibera

1387
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 4: from four.

1388
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: Years ago, five years Who cares? Is he not a.

1389
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 4: Reliable heavyweight contemper. I mean, at least he didn't make

1390
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: us wait around. He got that sub one. It was

1391
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: a nice arm bar or whatever. I mean, where what

1392
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: was it?

1393
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: It was a submission, like I forgot this.

1394
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 6: Yeah it was. It was nasty. It was nasty.

1395
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 7: It was the hero that we need to look at.

1396
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 7: I mean, we needed this so badly. And about a

1397
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 7: minute into the fight when Speedvac got a takedown and

1398
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 7: had Tibori's back and then Tyberis shook him off and

1399
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 7: was in his full guard and landing those Tybora type lunchboxes.

1400
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 7: I'm like Jesus christ Man, this is the next thirty

1401
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 7: minutes of my life. And then Speedvac was like, no, no,

1402
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 7: don't worry, Mike, don't worry, I make community. I know

1403
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 7: you want to get out watch this, and then boom

1404
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 7: he did it. I like speedback man, twenty nine years

1405
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 7: of age. The guy's got something. I think he could

1406
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 7: be a viable threat in this division. The problem is

1407
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 7: he's already fought tom aspitall, He's already fought Cerial Gone and.

1408
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 6: Got dusted by both of them.

1409
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 7: So getting him to a belt as long as either

1410
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 7: of those guys are in play, because John Jones and

1411
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 7: Steepe certainly aren't going to fight this man. I think

1412
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 7: his road to a title is just gonna take forever

1413
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 7: right now because he's already fought the dudes he's gonna

1414
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 7: have to beat to get there.

1415
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 6: So but he's good man. You could tell he's he's evolved.

1416
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 6: He's he's pretty good. But he's just man.

1417
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 7: It's gonna take forever. He's the Blah Muhammad of the

1418
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 7: heavyweight division.

1419
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: So we don't have time to play the clip, but

1420
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: I did want to remind you that Dana White told

1421
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 4: Kevin Ioli that Tom Aspinal doesn't deserve to fight for

1422
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: the full heavyweight tuttle right now, but after Joanes Steepey,

1423
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: he definitely deserves to fight for it.

1424
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: So okay, they owe it to him.

1425
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 6: BC.

1426
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 4: I got a couple quick hits for you on the

1427
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: way out before we bring in Luke Thomas and set

1428
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: that stage for UFC three h five this Saturday, Topic

1429
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: number four, Get fired up, Francis and Gano is finally

1430
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 4: going to return to MMA. It'll come in October after

1431
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: thirty three months away. But even bigger of the story.

1432
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: Despite him coming off right that disastrous knockout loss in

1433
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: the boxing ring to Anthony Joshua, PFL finally gets their

1434
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: Francis pay per view, So Mike, it's going to be

1435
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 4: against Hennon fer Haita, their biggest by size and certainly

1436
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 4: by danger heavyweight on their roster. But it's that Colemane

1437
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 4: that really bumps it up. It's gonna go down October nineteenth.

1438
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: I don't know about the location yet. Chris Cyborg finally

1439
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: will make her PFL at our debut here Againstlarissa but Jeco.

1440
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, Mike, I got to ask you about what

1441
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 4: our excitement level should be for this because and I

1442
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 4: want to ask you based on what Francis went through

1443
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: the Fury fight, in the Angano fight, which extended that

1444
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: window before he's going to finally make this delay like

1445
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: that changed a lot in terms of his age, his damage,

1446
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 4: what we thought about him. Does all of that make

1447
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: this fight now more exciting and more must see or less.

1448
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: Because it's taken so long? How do you judge? That

1449
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter?

1450
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 7: I mean personally, it makes it more intriguing for me,

1451
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 7: because I mean, this wasn't just a loss to Anthony Joshua.

1452
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 7: He got got real bad, like one of the scariest

1453
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 7: knockouts I've ever seen in boxing or in any combat sport.

1454
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 6: It was just bad.

1455
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 7: I was like, this guy might not even fight again.

1456
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 7: That's how bad and how scary that knacko was.

1457
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 6: So I am.

1458
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 7: Intrigued because Ferrera is a big, giant man who hits

1459
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 7: really really hard and doesn't matter who you are. If

1460
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 7: you're France and Gone or anybody else, if Batman clips you,

1461
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 7: there's a very good chance you go to sleep. And

1462
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 7: one thing that we've always learned about France is that

1463
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 7: he's so durable you can't hurt him. Well, we saw

1464
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 7: him get hurt. We saw that seal get broken a

1465
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 7: little bit. And if a guy like Hennan Ferrara and

1466
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 7: four ounce gloves hits Francis like that, it could be

1467
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 7: a rap and that BC would be an absolute disaster

1468
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 7: for the PFO. If that night ends with head and

1469
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 7: Farrera knocking out Frances and Ghana in.

1470
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 6: The first round, great, that is disastrous. It could not

1471
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 6: get any worse.

1472
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: Well, you get a rematch, you get another pay per

1473
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: view out of it, you get a big readA but.

1474
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 7: Then like the excitement levels are gone, like that can't

1475
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 7: even be a pay per view anymore, Like we just

1476
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 7: feel bad for him.

1477
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 6: We'll be like, oh, Francis, don't do this anymore. Head

1478
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 6: up PFL Africa. We're good.

1479
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 7: I've always wanted to see Francis and I'm with Jed

1480
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 7: and I are on the same page with this stuff.

1481
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 7: Just throw France as anybody, like just getting the body

1482
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 7: to wreck, like.

1483
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 6: That's just feel right.

1484
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: He should have been in some ways.

1485
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 4: He should have been fighting every three and a half months,

1486
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: just getting quick on first round knockouts, just to keep

1487
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 4: hitting the cash register and getting it going. I don't

1488
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 4: say anything negative against Francis from the standpoint of getting

1489
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 4: the bags that when they were available in boxing, and

1490
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: they were readily available at major sizes.

1491
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: So again shout out to him.

1492
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: And I know he was very ambitious and we didn't

1493
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 4: know what to expect entering that Joshua fight.

1494
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: Is he a real player and a contender.

1495
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 4: Well now I'm glad that he's coming back, just because

1496
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 4: I think he owes it to PFL right before he

1497
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 4: before he turns forward to here to get it or

1498
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: before he's done to get a big fight here. I

1499
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: think I want this matchup more though now because of

1500
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: that delay, actually because of the knockout. I do there's

1501
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 4: more questions now thirty three months since he last fought MMA.

1502
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: But hatos big and can knock you out. I think

1503
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 4: this is entertainment level wise. It's not been great for

1504
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 4: PFL if they had to wait so long, but our

1505
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: interests a level our entertainment. Yeah, this is leveled the

1506
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: playing field. And I think when Francis first got there,

1507
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: there was no opponent we could create or think of

1508
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 4: outside of maybe Derek Lewis for one night, but he

1509
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: ended up taking the security of the UFC contract that

1510
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 4: could have gotten us excited. I think the questions now

1511
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: make this more exciting real quick. Mike Chris Cyborg, Pacheco

1512
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: and the Comane, which is a great fight that the

1513
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 4: best fight you can make in all of women's mme

1514
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 4: of active fighters, M probably give it to me, Give.

1515
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: It to me here, I come on.

1516
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 7: I mean, Harrison Cyborg is probably the bigger one that

1517
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 7: one I really wanted and we didn't end up getting it.

1518
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 7: But this is like a good second place. And I

1519
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 7: know Amanda Nunas technically isn't quote unquote active, but I

1520
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 7: still feel like a Kayla Harrison abandon Nona's.

1521
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 6: Fight is very real and very much on the table.

1522
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 6: So I mean, it's up to Kayla.

1523
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 7: She's gotta be Kaitlyn viea in good old Salt Lake

1524
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 7: City and probably win the belt in order for that

1525
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 7: to happen to lure Amanda back. But yeah, right now,

1526
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 7: with what is currently available and what is there, yeah,

1527
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 7: this is this is a good fight.

1528
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 6: I just hope.

1529
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 7: When I first saw this booking, we knew it was coming.

1530
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 7: My first thought was like, man, I just hope this

1531
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 7: isn't like two years too late to make this fight.

1532
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, because but Checko's a demon. She's so good, she

1533
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 6: is really, really good.

1534
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: She just won she won the tournament again this past year.

1535
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Chris is Chris is one of the best

1536
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 7: of all time, There's no doubt about it. But she

1537
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 7: hasn't fought the competition that Loressa's fought. Like I know,

1538
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 7: PFL isn't just stacked with talented one forty five ers,

1539
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 7: but neither is bellat or at least Larissa's fought Kayla,

1540
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 7: She's got to win there, so I'm in. I'm very

1541
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 7: much intrigued by that fight because I think Larissa could

1542
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 7: be the one to shut her down. We haven't seen

1543
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 7: Chris in like a fight that we really questioned whether

1544
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 7: or not she could win since the New Nets fight,

1545
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 7: and even then we're like, this is too much, too soon.

1546
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

1547
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, the most intriguing Chris Cyborg fighting.

1548
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: Years and I'm not knowing Jacob has the commercial potential

1549
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 4: to be even bigger than she is now, but the

1550
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 4: critical acceptance the what have you done in your career?

1551
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 4: If she goes from beating Cayl Harrison although she lost

1552
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 4: to her twice on the road to get in there

1553
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 4: to say she knocks out Cyborg, damn, damn put that resume.

1554
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the best you can do in these

1555
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 4: way classes. That that that's it right there, That's pretty awesome.

1556
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 4: I want to have seen my car would be calling.

1557
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 6: You have seen my car back?

1558
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1559
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: Right on board with you, all right.

1560
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: Luke Thomas is going to come in here in a second, Mike,

1561
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: and we are going to set the stage, which I'm

1562
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 4: sure you're going to do all week on your m

1563
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 4: fighting platforms there on boxing. You do great work for UFC,

1564
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 4: three h five Saturday, Australia, and of course DDP Otdisnia

1565
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: in the main event for the middleway to such a great,

1566
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: great main event. Mike could be anywhere on the card.

1567
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 4: I want your biggest or your most intriguing storyline that

1568
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 4: you are watching for. Let our fans know what in

1569
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 4: my fightings Mike heck is watching for entering Saturday night.

1570
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 7: I mean, the main event is so good, man, it's

1571
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 7: just so good. I have a million questions about Israel

1572
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 7: Ata Sonia, very curious to see how he looks. Obviously,

1573
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 7: he looks tremendous. He looks like he's put on some muscle,

1574
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 7: a little bit spelt, looking pretty good.

1575
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 6: And Ddp's out getting.

1576
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 7: Cattle prodded before fight, So I wonder how much that

1577
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:27,959
Speaker 7: is gonna play.

1578
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: Is that from the school of Josh Fabia right there?

1579
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: What is that? Wow?

1580
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 6: Incredible stuff?

1581
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 7: So yes, is is cattle prodgata thing is my biggest storyline.

1582
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 7: And then of course you know Dan Hooker is getting

1583
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 7: a big opportunity right now. But to Shamrock should have

1584
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 7: fought for the lightweight title in a real meritocratic world.

1585
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 7: After Charles Olivera was hurts, they brought in Volkanovski.

1586
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 6: They had an actual backup fighter.

1587
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 7: This dude just keeps going out and getting wins and

1588
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 7: now he's gonna keep fighting behind it. But if Dan

1589
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 7: Hooker could come in to Perth and beat me Tooche Scamron,

1590
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 7: he's the.

1591
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 6: Top five light wait and this is insane.

1592
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 7: To think about, so huge opportunity for Dan Hooker. I

1593
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 7: think he has the most to gain on the entire card,

1594
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 7: and there's so much on the line in this main event.

1595
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 7: It's it's not the greatest pay per view lineup, very

1596
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 7: top heavy.

1597
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 10: Uh.

1598
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 7: Main card's fun, but the main event absolutely rules.

1599
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: Well done, well said. That's aime fightings Mike. Heck right there,

1600
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 4: Mike for a MK debut. I think you just hit

1601
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 4: it over the fence and I appreciate your time, your passion.

1602
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 4: We can see you, I believe on Thursdays beneath the

1603
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: links there on YouTube there on the m fighting General.

1604
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, between the links live from New Hampshire, my home state.

1605
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 6: We can we can get after it.

1606
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, there's Thursday, twelve thirty pm Eastern time, join

1607
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 7: us for BTL.

1608
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 6: It'll be a good time. I'm sure Jed will be there.

1609
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 7: We'll bring on some sort of opponent for him to

1610
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 7: be all rambunctious with.

1611
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 6: And BC, I know you you won't be around.

1612
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 7: I was gonna take this opportunity to put you on

1613
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 7: the spot, but we've already had this conversation. But as

1614
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 7: soon as you can come back, we'd love to have

1615
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 7: you back on Beatis.

1616
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1617
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 4: You know that show, you guys will allow me to

1618
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Speaker 4: just go balls bonanza and just you know, absolutely bring

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Speaker 4: it and I and I really appreciate that and it's

1620
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Speaker 4: a lot of fun and I think you do.

1621
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: A great job.

1622
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: Mike cac everybody, thank you so much for joining us.

1623
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Speaker 4: I'm sure our fans will be watching your content the

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Speaker 4: rest of the week. A great partner here this week,

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Speaker 4: camera back on me. Let the gentleman go. Thank you

1626
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Speaker 4: very much, love Mike cak right there. Great partner. As

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Speaker 4: Before we bring on Luke Keito and update his vacation

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Speaker 4: and boy his excitement level for Saturday's ata Soyna return.

1663
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Speaker 4: When we're talking about partners, how about everything going on

1664
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 4: at all? The smoke fight right now. Andre Ward is

1665
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 4: on board as we know, and his sit down at

1666
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 4: interview that we saw with Terrence Crawford ahead of that

1667
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 4: August third car was fantastic. He's got another one coming

1668
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 4: with Shakhorse Stevenson, the unbeaten fighter who just posed with

1669
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Speaker 4: Turkey Ali Chic today and seems to be headed to

1670
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Speaker 4: some very big things.

1671
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: But if we remember correctly.

1672
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 4: After Shaker's last performance, there was a storm of negativity

1673
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 4: coming his way, calling him, boring him, calling him a

1674
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 4: lot of things, and.

1675
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: He clapped back. It was just on Thursday's Oscar.

1676
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 4: It was all the time, all night long, to whoever

1677
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 4: was in his way.

1678
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: One of those was Andre.

1679
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 4: Berto, friends of Andre Ward, the former welterweight champion. Here's

1680
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 4: andre Ward talking to Shaquer Stevenson about that beef, how

1681
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 4: it started and why it's here. There's a little snippet

1682
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 4: of what you can find on all the Smoke boxing

1683
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 4: and all the Smoke fight.

1684
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 13: He had a little situation, man with one of my

1685
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 13: brothers in the game, right, Andre Berto, and we talked

1686
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 13: about it yesterday on camera, and his explanation is, man,

1687
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 13: I was just trying to reach out to the youngster man,

1688
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 13: encourage him and put it out there.

1689
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: My response was.

1690
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 13: Bro, I think you probably should have should have slaid

1691
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 13: that in the DM and just did it personally. Why

1692
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 13: did you respond the way that you did to Andre.

1693
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 8: After my fight was a lot of people, you know,

1694
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 8: with so many different things to say, and I felt

1695
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 8: as though with Berto, he jumped into the crowd and

1696
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 8: if he was trying to get a message to me.

1697
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 8: Me and him talking the DM several times, we talked

1698
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 8: in so many different situations, okay in the DM, So

1699
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 8: if he was really trying to get a message to me,

1700
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 8: he could have just DM me and we could.

1701
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: Have had a conversation.

1702
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 3: How what you just said?

1703
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 8: But he jumped into a crowd where everybody else boom,

1704
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 8: shot here, shot here, shot here, everybody's throwing their shots,

1705
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 8: and I didn't feel that. I didn't feel like that

1706
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 8: was the right way to go about it, especially if

1707
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 8: you want to be looked as look to me as

1708
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 8: a OG or a person that I can't I can't

1709
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 8: respect that.

1710
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 3: You still stand by how you responded. Yeah, I ain't

1711
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 3: gonna lie.

1712
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I may went far, but like everybody going,

1713
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 8: I mean, at this point, come on, if it's me

1714
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 8: against the world, I'm not scared to go against the world.

1715
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna back down.

1716
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 6: Or is this person's nah?

1717
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 8: If y'all say forget me, I'm gonna say forget you too,

1718
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 8: and have it go and be a woman on me.

1719
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: Come on.

1720
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,839
Speaker 13: We also talked about this after talking about the situation,

1721
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 13: y'all had I said, the younger generation feel like the

1722
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 13: older generation behaved, the older generation feel like the younger

1723
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 13: generation don't. I think it's some truth in both of

1724
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 13: those statements. How do you feel about it?

1725
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 8: I don't think the older generation behaving well from my

1726
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 8: point of view. And I'm not saying because I barely

1727
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 8: like I ain't gonna lie.

1728
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,520
Speaker 1: I ain't evenna clue.

1729
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 8: Him into like the other older generation kind of like

1730
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 8: they've been like showing love, Like how you or Roy

1731
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 8: y'all give criticism, but y'all show love At the same time,

1732
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 8: I didn't think that with him, like it didn't seem

1733
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 8: like he was more so given like a good message

1734
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 8: to put out there, positive message. It was more so

1735
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 8: like a negative message to me.

1736
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 13: So I'm saying, just say, your peers people, that's your age,

1737
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 13: little younger, little older. Can we say something to y'all

1738
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 13: or it gotta be packed because again we looking at it.

1739
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: I don't fully feel like that fore like something.

1740
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 13: I try not to offer no advice unless I feel

1741
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 13: like it's either asked or I feel like I should

1742
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 13: probably say something.

1743
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 3: I don't just come giving advice.

1744
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 13: How does the older generation connect with the younger generation?

1745
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 3: Like what do y'all need from us?

1746
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 8: I think y'all doing it the right way. For as

1747
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 8: far as I know people that I that that reached

1748
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 8: out to me like this ad Judahs or poly Mala Najis,

1749
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 8: they not going on social media with it. They know

1750
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 8: such and such.

1751
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 3: You feel me.

1752
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 8: So I think y'all doing it the right way. I

1753
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 8: take it better from when somebody reached out to me personally,

1754
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 8: like I'm gonna take it way better. So all of

1755
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 8: the O g should just know how to do that

1756
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 8: instead of it, you know, jumping in the crowd.

1757
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 13: I told him, I ain't saying y'all gotta be potners

1758
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 13: of friends and nothing like that, but I need y'all

1759
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 13: to I need I need to bring y'all together, man,

1760
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 13: for my sake.

1761
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: Bro, I don't need no problem.

1762
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 13: I don't want no I told slick Man, y'all gonna

1763
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 13: have to figure this out, man. So I hopefully we

1764
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 13: can do that, brom.

1765
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 4: And you can watch that interview in full Shakur Stevenson

1766
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: with Andre Ward later this week. Check out the All

1767
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 4: the Smoke Fight and the All the Smoke Boxing YouTube

1768
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 4: and social media channels are fine friends over there, good stuff,

1769
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 4: good content.

1770
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get right to it.

1771
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: Luke Thomas is still on vacation in South America, but

1772
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,440
Speaker 4: you know he's fired up for three h five this Saturday, Australia.

1773
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 4: You just heard Mike Heck sprinkle a little dust on top.

1774
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 4: Let's get the full package here from the man who

1775
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 4: does yes body for days. Let's look at him, Let's

1776
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 4: see him, let's smell him. Oh he's wow. He looks

1777
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 4: fit and gray and happy. Luke Thomas, how are you broad?

1778
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: Miss you? I do? I missed you. I can't, I

1779
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: can't lie.

1780
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, vacation's almost over. I come back tomorrow. Today's my

1781
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 10: last full day here, and it's been great. It's been

1782
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 10: a lot, We've done a lot of stuff, but I

1783
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 10: kind of needed it and it's been pretty wonderful.

1784
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 2: If I could be honest with you, So yeah.

1785
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, thank you for being candid with me. I

1786
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: really appreciate that.

1787
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 4: Is there any one moment you can get to? People

1788
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 4: will kill me if we don't start talking about this fight.

1789
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 4: But I saw the great pictures of birds, Luke.

1790
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 3: I know.

1791
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm birds are cool old now, you know which?

1792
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 10: I know nobody I lost like a hundred followers posting.

1793
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 2: People think that on Instagram, but I don't give a shit. Yeah.

1794
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 10: So they two things I went to like A really

1795
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 10: like the wedding I went to was much nicer than

1796
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 10: I thought it was gonna be.

1797
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: I was actually kind of amazed at how nice it was.

1798
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool movie and conto ital.

1799
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: No, that's more like rural Columbia.

1800
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 10: This was in Bogota, which is like there's ten million

1801
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 10: people who live there. But then that what I posted

1802
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 10: on on ig. I went to the National Avi Area

1803
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 10: of Columbia, and I was Columbia has like ridiculous biodiversity

1804
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 10: and watching a harpy eagle like five feet from me

1805
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 10: devour a rabbit was wild, pretty wild.

1806
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 4: So yeah, cool, that sounds fantastic, Luke, Let's get to

1807
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 4: what everybody wants here. This pay per view pretty good

1808
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 4: top to bottom, But man, I love this main event.

1809
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 4: There's so many storyliness, so many reasons to get fired up.

1810
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: We should have had this. We know the story of

1811
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: why it didn't happen.

1812
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 4: The fact that now we flipped the tables without Asannia

1813
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 4: as the challenger coming back against the champion and star

1814
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 4: Dracus Duplasi on Saturday. I think from a not even

1815
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 4: an ex as a no standpoint, just storyline interest, it

1816
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 4: just shakes it up.

1817
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: This division is so sexy right now.

1818
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 4: Is there one storyliner element to this that has you

1819
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 4: more excited than anything else? And it may be what

1820
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 4: Mike said, just the see if Autosani can come back

1821
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 4: and do it again. But if he becomes a three

1822
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 4: time champion, he will join Randy Katura is the only

1823
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 4: fighters to do that in a single division.

1824
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 2: This is big, It's huge.

1825
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 10: I mean to be candid in terms of what I'm

1826
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 10: looking forward to. I actually feel like the fight itself

1827
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 10: and the x's and o's of that is to me

1828
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 10: a little bit more interesting than the storylines around it,

1829
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 10: which I know may go against what a lot of

1830
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 10: people feel. I'm not I'm not telling anyone how to

1831
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 10: feel about it. I'm just trying to explain, like where

1832
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 10: I'm coming from, because I do recognize that there is

1833
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 10: this is a grudge match. There's obviously the kind of

1834
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 10: waiting in the wings Robert Whitaker, Sean stricklam hamzat Chimaiev

1835
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 10: about who gets what that's next? That's interesting no matter

1836
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 10: what as well. I'm sure we'll get into it. But

1837
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 10: if is He wins, you would imagine that there might

1838
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 10: be another collision course with Poton down the line up

1839
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 10: at two oh five.

1840
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: Again, that's sort of speculative, but it has to be

1841
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: on their radar.

1842
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 10: So there's a ton of interesting storylines. This is not

1843
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 10: me saying that there aren't any. They're actually a gazillion

1844
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 10: of them. But the fight itself, to me is actually

1845
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 10: really really interesting. Is he thirty four years of old,

1846
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 10: thirty four years of age?

1847
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: Excuse me?

1848
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 10: He's been all for nearly a year I think eleven

1849
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 10: months in total by the time the fight happens itself.

1850
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 10: Dricus is a goddamn power house at one eighty five,

1851
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 10: and while reckless in a wild at times, there is

1852
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 10: a method to his madness. He is quite physical for

1853
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 10: the weight classes, as success will has surprised you and

1854
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 10: me at times, is in no way accidental obviously now

1855
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 10: that you can see the full weight of it, and

1856
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 10: you know is he definitely underperformed against Sean Strickland coming

1857
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 10: off of that poton win. But Drincus is a very

1858
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 10: different kind of fight. He brings the fight to you,

1859
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 10: for better or worse, and so I actually really love

1860
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 10: what the fight shows.

1861
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm be kind of thinking about this, like, one.

1862
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 10: Of the reasons why the storyline to me is less again,

1863
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 10: to me is less important is because like win or lose,

1864
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 10: is he's placed in.

1865
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: The division is kind of set.

1866
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 10: He will be the number two best middleweight ever, and

1867
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 10: that doesn't really change whether.

1868
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: Or not he wins or loses.

1869
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 10: Obviously, if he wins, it makes the conversation a little

1870
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,480
Speaker 10: bit different, But even then I don't think it surpasses

1871
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 10: though the I mean, I lived through inchin silas a

1872
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 10: title run. It was unlike anything else I've ever seen basically,

1873
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 10: so for me, like it kind of holds it in place.

1874
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 10: What is more interesting is how potentially it is he

1875
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 10: can come up with some kind of solution to just

1876
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 10: this physical tank from South Africa Andrecus.

1877
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: That's really what I really want to see.

1878
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 10: Who cooked up the best game plan is really what

1879
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 10: I want to see.

1880
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 4: You add in though, the storyline of can Izzy do

1881
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 4: it again? Which is what he just did to Poeton,

1882
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: which is come back from a guy who had stopped you.

1883
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,839
Speaker 1: I know DDP hasn't stopped him. This is a fresh matchup.

1884
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 4: But because they had been rivals for so long now

1885
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 4: and this got extended, it kind of feels like a

1886
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 4: real rivalry that's finally gonna get you know, that's.

1887
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: Something to what it is. It just really feels deep.

1888
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 4: But Luke, I agree, I'm not really into those I'm

1889
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 4: into the historic side of the storylines, but I'm not

1890
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 4: into who's the real King of Africa.

1891
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: Although I did notice that UFC went out of their.

1892
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 4: Way to edit Francis and God who completely out of

1893
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 4: the Countdown show, even though at Asanya was saying in

1894
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 4: telling the story of why he doesn't like DDP that

1895
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: it was that DDP didn't respect the Three Kings and

1896
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 4: then they would like show out of Sonya and show.

1897
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: Usman never mention or show in God with so.

1898
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 4: Petty it's absurd to me. But I'm not even into

1899
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 4: those storylines either. Let's hit the odds because I'm into

1900
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 4: this matchup. DraftKings right now has minus one thirty Israel

1901
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 4: Autasnya as the favorite, plus one ten Drake is Duplessy

1902
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 4: as the underdog. What he did just find by the

1903
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 4: way DDP as the underdog against Robert Whitaker, which was

1904
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 4: the big fight that got him the title shot.

1905
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: That's such a great win over Sean Strickland.

1906
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 4: God, if you had outa Sonya in this run, there's

1907
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 4: a whole other conversation storyline wise to be had about

1908
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 4: how big of a star did EP can be and

1909
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 4: what do you say about his resume now even though

1910
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 4: more people are talking about what it would mean to

1911
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 4: Atosania and it makes sense with the revenge angle to

1912
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: come back and prove once more that he's still that guy.

1913
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 4: But Luke, when I watched the preview content and really

1914
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 4: start to look at the matchup, one quote from Eugene

1915
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 4: Bearman sticks out to me from the Countdown show, and

1916
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 4: it was centered upon the idea that he said, they

1917
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 4: want Izzy to go back to the tricks of old

1918
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 4: that he used on the way up to the title

1919
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 4: that he's now abandoned and bring back a lot of

1920
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 4: those and they believe that could be the key to

1921
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 4: this matchup. How would you expound on what that means

1922
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 4: and whether that actually matters and could be a factor Saturday.

1923
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 10: You know, Eugene Bearman has I think I know some

1924
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 10: folks don't agree with this, but I think he's got

1925
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 10: a pretty strong grasp of what works in the fighting

1926
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 10: and certainly what works for his students. And if you

1927
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 10: actually like again, like Poetan and Strickland are very different fights.

1928
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 10: They're very different fighters. They're bringing very different challenges and

1929
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 10: weapons to you, and Drick is going to be different

1930
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 10: from both of them, but one of the things you

1931
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 10: really really noticed in the Strickland fight for Izzy was

1932
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,440
Speaker 10: that his fainting just did not do him.

1933
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: A lot of good.

1934
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 10: Like a lot of the tricks he pulls a lot

1935
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 10: of the ways in which he puts his fainting and

1936
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 10: then shot selection together. It's become at least in that fight,

1937
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 10: I should say, because he's been all for eleven months.

1938
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 10: But in that fight it was very predictable. It did

1939
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 10: not really fool Shan Strickland very much at all. I

1940
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 10: know he's got defensive style to absorb it. Again, that's

1941
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 10: part of it, but I just feel like people have

1942
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 10: kind of seen him use a lot of the same

1943
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 10: stuff over and over again. I think, I don't know

1944
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 10: if the numbers quite bear this out, but it just

1945
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 10: feels like on top of it, you know, the.

1946
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Fainting works if the fainting is good, But the fainting.

1947
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 10: Also works if you're really throwing behind it, if you're

1948
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 10: landing behind it, right, it's the dual threat. One ultimately

1949
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 10: feeds the other, and I feel like that really wasn't

1950
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 10: the case in the fight with Strickland and some other

1951
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 10: ones as well, like that just didn't It wasn't as

1952
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 10: potent as.

1953
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: It once was. Guys were a little bit more in

1954
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: awe of it, a little bit more.

1955
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 10: Confused by it, and that's that's just that hasn't been

1956
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 10: the case, at least not nearly as much for quite

1957
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 10: some time. And so to me, it feels like if

1958
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 10: you go back and look at like, for example, if

1959
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 10: you watch bus these kickboxing fights before he ever got

1960
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 10: to the UFC, there's obviously a heavy dose of fainting.

1961
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 10: It's just a big part of what he does. But

1962
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 10: there's a lot more activity in terms of throwing. There's

1963
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 10: a lot more uniqueness to what he's throwing. There's a

1964
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 10: lot more variance to what he's throwing. He kind of got,

1965
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 10: you know, and this is true like GSP when his championship.

1966
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 2: Run got longer and longer and longer. We all know this.

1967
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 10: People all like, oh, he was a boring wrestler. Well, yes,

1968
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 10: and no, he became a boring wrestler. He certainly did

1969
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 10: not start out that way, and through large swaths of

1970
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 10: it was really not the case at all. It was

1971
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 10: only in the end, or i say, the last sort

1972
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 10: of big third of his career where that was really pronounced.

1973
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: Speaking a little bit earlier than that maybe.

1974
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 10: But you can get the idea that he's trying to

1975
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 10: control for the chaos of MMA. He did through wrestling,

1976
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 10: is he tried to do it with a sort of

1977
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 10: like narrowed scope of weapons around a heavy fainting and

1978
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 10: distance game that just kind of went a little bit stale.

1979
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 10: I think what Barman I'd be talking about BC is

1980
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 10: getting back to that state where you're throwing a little

1981
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 10: bit more actively, You're you're mixing it up a little

1982
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 10: bit more actively, and you know, eleven part of what

1983
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 10: made is he great was this ability to stay active,

1984
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 10: like during the pandemic. Dude, he was constantly on airplanes,

1985
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 10: constantly remaining active, constantly taking fights, constantly being on the road.

1986
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 10: And I think it did him a lot of good.

1987
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 10: But now it might be the case. I guess we'll

1988
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 10: have to see. He's had eleven months off, both working

1989
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 10: as any kind of physical transformation he has to, but

1990
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:36,440
Speaker 10: also kind of getting back to Barman's words, maybe accessing

1991
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 10: some things he forgot along the way. Whether he will

1992
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 10: skillfully pull that off remains to be seen, but I

1993
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 10: think Barman I can say this no point intended at

1994
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 10: a bare minimum, the diagnosis by Eugene Barman, I think

1995
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 10: is right on the money.

1996
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: Whether again, whether he can pull that off totally different story.

1997
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, very true. This is so intriguing.

1998
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 4: DDP would go as far as being quoted as saying

1999
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 4: that he feels like out Ofsannia's light is dimming, if

2000
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 4: not out. I certainly wouldn't go that far, because as

2001
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 4: devastating as the loss to Strickland was, I don't think

2002
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 4: you can make an excuse for it, but I think

2003
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 4: it's understandable when what he says about it. I think

2004
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 4: it's understandable when he wanted the DDP fight, when there

2005
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 4: was that fire between them and that face off in

2006
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 4: the cage and the whole Battle of Africa thing, and

2007
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 4: then that fight falls apart, and then Strickland comes in,

2008
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 4: and he probably looked at Strickland as a clown that

2009
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 4: he could kind of control and be in his sleep,

2010
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 4: and then maybe, you know, maybe out a sign he

2011
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: doesn't have the best training camp, who knows, or the

2012
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 4: right dialed in motivation level, and then it just so

2013
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 4: happened that Strickland comes through with an incredible performance and

2014
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 4: game plan. I can look back and understand that, So

2015
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 4: I don't think, you know, when you consider the fight

2016
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 4: before that he did what he did to Poeton, and

2017
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 4: in the manner that he did that. Yes, he's thirty

2018
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 4: five years old now, so we do have to understand

2019
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 4: the limitations and expectations that he can be a little

2020
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 4: bit old, maybe not show up old in a fight,

2021
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,839
Speaker 4: but show you the compromisation of age.

2022
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: This could be that fight.

2023
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 4: But look the fact that he took this much time

2024
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 4: off and the fact that, yeah, he was dropped in

2025
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 4: that Strickland fight, but it was almost as if just

2026
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 4: couldn't find the spark or couldn't find the angle to

2027
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 4: come back and play. And as disappointing as that was,

2028
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 4: I don't have that fear, even with the thirty five

2029
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 4: year old age, that he'll be anything but exactly where

2030
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 4: he was coming into that Pereira MMA rematch. Dialed in,

2031
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: ready to go, Long Island, Luke, Can we flash these pictures?

2032
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 4: I wanted to get Luke's take on this. Luke, I

2033
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 4: mean you can show versus the face off between them

2034
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 4: from their introductory press conference, so you can certainly see

2035
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: both the height difference and then the intensity between the

2036
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 4: two of them. Nobody, I don't believe what's called the

2037
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: N word during this specific face off is the second

2038
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 4: time they did. But can we show Luke how just

2039
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 4: jacked up out of soin is. I don't have guano

2040
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 4: jokes on the ready, Luke, but look at that body

2041
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 4: right now?

2042
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

2043
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 4: Do you think that we may see as re focused

2044
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 4: in out of Sonya as ever? Because he finally did

2045
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 4: take the foot off the guest take a break air

2046
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 4: out mentally and physically.

2047
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually feel like, again you have to do

2048
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 10: the right thing for the right time, and staying active

2049
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 10: at one point in his career I think was absolutely

2050
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 10: the right call.

2051
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 2: Taking time off was probably the right call.

2052
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 10: It doesn't mean he'll win necessarily on Saturday, but was

2053
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 10: it better to take some time off and retool? I

2054
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 10: absolutely don't think that anyway that was the wrong call.

2055
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Dude.

2056
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 10: Look, I mean DDP is a powerhouse man. He's the

2057
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 10: guy is a freaking tank. I mean, here's the best evidence,

2058
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 10: or at least a good way to understand it.

2059
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 12: PC.

2060
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 10: This is why to me, the fight with Sean Strickland's

2061
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 10: also different. Like Strickland's not really going to go for

2062
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 10: the takedown, you know what I mean? There's a good

2063
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 10: chance that DDP will, but that's not even my point.

2064
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 10: Consider how DDP got the takedown on Robert Whittaker, right,

2065
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 10: He didn't hit a clean throw at all. He had

2066
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 10: I believe it was he was trying to throw him

2067
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 10: off the headlock, or maybe it was from a wizard,

2068
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 10: but I'm pretty sure he's off the headlock. He didn't

2069
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 10: whip him over and then land on top. He just

2070
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 10: kind of sagged his way to the side, like he

2071
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 10: just grabs a hold of you and then just leans

2072
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 10: and forces his way over, and then he hit a

2073
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 10: sal Apollo pass. Also knows a tozy pass, which is

2074
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 10: like this very sort of physical, dominant, in your face,

2075
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 10: aggressive way to pass guard Like that's his kind of style.

2076
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 10: If you don't bulk up or to bare minimum, have

2077
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 10: some kind of way that you're addressing that in camp.

2078
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: Dude, fucking and then you again, you and I have

2079
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: learned this the hard way. DDP will run you over.

2080
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 10: He will run you over, either literally or metaphorically, perhaps both,

2081
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 10: but he will run you over. And so you have

2082
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 10: to be in a position to technically have an answer

2083
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 10: for that. Yes, but you can't rely on you know what,

2084
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 10: I mean, like, you can't rely on that deterring him.

2085
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 2: Sean Strickland will kind of absorb a little bit of that.

2086
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 10: And then find his moments. DDP is not that guy,

2087
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 10: and he's just not gonna fight that way. So that

2088
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 10: presents some unique opportunities for offense, but it also presents

2089
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 10: a whole different series of defensive challenges that you have

2090
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 10: to be aware of, again, not just on the physical

2091
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 10: side of the technical side. So you're right, And by

2092
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 10: the way, I said Izy was thirty four, he's thirty five,

2093
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 10: and just he'll be thirty five, three weeks and five

2094
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 10: days old by the time the fight itself takes place.

2095
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 10: So I just don't see how Again, none of these

2096
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 10: things predict success. None of these things will tell you

2097
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 10: he's going to win, but taking the time off to

2098
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 10: get his body in a position to deal with perhaps

2099
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 10: now that Poeton's not in the division anymore and it's

2100
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 10: not really a takedown thread anyway, in that division, basically

2101
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 10: the most physical guy he could potentially face at one

2102
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 10: eighty five, I'll put a little asterisk next to Hamza

2103
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 10: Chamaik because who the hell knows about him, But he

2104
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 10: could also be in that conversation. But this is the champ.

2105
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 10: This guy's a beast. This guy has an in your

2106
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 10: face grinding style. If you're not ready for that, he

2107
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 10: will hear you two pieces. So let's see what he

2108
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 10: does on Saturday.

2109
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so damn fired up. I mean, there's

2110
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: so many ways to look at this fight.

2111
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 4: And I mean, I don't know if this fight ends

2112
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 4: apart tied, Luke wait, I mean, that's not what they

2113
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 4: were fighting.

2114
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just love what in South

2115
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: Africa some Sorry, it was the Mandela effect, Luke that

2116
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: made me forget. Apparently I thought it happened. This is big,

2117
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: so big for.

2118
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 4: Both of their careers, for their countries and everything right

2119
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 4: there the size difference between them. Is there anything either

2120
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 4: of them can learn from yan Belhovich versus Adasanya?

2121
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: And I say that because you saw that Izzy was taller.

2122
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,879
Speaker 4: But this is the most DDP, the most physical presence

2123
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 4: you can kind of find in this division. It should

2124
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 4: either one of them be looking at that tape to

2125
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 4: for any reason in terms of how they can use

2126
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 4: that in this fight.

2127
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: Luke, maybe maybe, yeah, maybe, I'm not so sure. I

2128
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: mean in that fight.

2129
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 10: So, first of all, it was two o five, and

2130
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 10: I know Drinkis is a big, big dude. That's still

2131
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 10: I mean, Belhovich is still okay, maybe some but the

2132
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 10: way in which Bulhovich got the success in that fight's

2133
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 10: a little bit different, right because he started out The

2134
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 10: story of that fight is that Izzy always use this

2135
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 10: sort of more probing attacks before he closes range on

2136
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 10: his punches when he's having success anyway, and a lot

2137
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 10: of the stuff got checked. Blahovic is really good at

2138
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 10: checking leg kicks and deterring people. So that brought is

2139
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 10: a little bit closer because he had to use his

2140
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 10: hands and that made him, among other reasons, more susceptible

2141
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 10: to the takedown, and then he got grounded out. It's

2142
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 10: also been some time I'd also say this like is

2143
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 10: he's takedown in defense along the fence line is very

2144
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 10: very good in open space.

2145
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: This is true for.

2146
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 10: Most people who don't come from a wrestling background. In

2147
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 10: open space, it's not nearly as good. And also if

2148
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 10: you can change things together, it's not nearly as good.

2149
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 10: And so that's really the question for DDP DDP if

2150
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 10: he's going to find his way to get to the takedown,

2151
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 10: and if that's a path he wants to pursue. He

2152
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 10: has to find a way to I think close range.

2153
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 10: Not to say he couldn't get the takedown on the fence,

2154
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 10: but I think he's gonna have a lot more success

2155
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 10: not in that place, even as big a physical as

2156
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 10: he is.

2157
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: And again, he.

2158
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 10: Doesn't even need to fully execute it correctly. He gets

2159
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 10: a headlock and overhook some then he just kind of

2160
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 10: drops his weight. He takes people over. It's not just Whitaker,

2161
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 10: he did that too.

2162
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 2: He's done that.

2163
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 10: I mean do he even pulled there until on top

2164
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 10: of himself and still manage to get the better of

2165
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 10: the end of that fight as well. So to me,

2166
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 10: it's the question of how does he do that without

2167
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 10: getting necessarily along the fence line?

2168
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 2: And dude, we've seen it.

2169
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 10: He blitzes, he blitzes, and this is what makes us

2170
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,799
Speaker 10: fight so exciting. Like, you can easily see a scenario,

2171
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 10: b See, tell me if you think I'm wrong.

2172
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: You can easily.

2173
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 10: See a scenario where, yes, one guy could finish the

2174
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 10: other one. That is possible, of course, But is it

2175
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 10: not also plausible that one of them could win round one,

2176
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 10: then the other one win rounds two, then the other

2177
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 10: one win rounds three, then the other one win rounds four. Like,

2178
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 10: there's so many different ways where one guy conceivably has

2179
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 10: the ability to win a frame, and that to not

2180
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 10: continue frame over frame because of those unique contrasts that

2181
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 10: you see in play here. Of course, the one guy

2182
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 10: could finish the other one too, Like that's in play

2183
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 10: as well. But I'm just saying, don't you see the

2184
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 10: same thing, that there are numerous offensive paths for this

2185
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 10: fight to go.

2186
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 4: And I think that is why the odds are so close.

2187
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 4: I was a little bit surprised. We had mentioned that

2188
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 4: in our last episode that we did together that I

2189
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,919
Speaker 4: thought DDP would be the favorite based upon the levels

2190
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 4: of questions, the remaining questions that he had answer against

2191
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 4: Sean Strickland. I know that styles mak fights and there's

2192
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 4: a different matchup and all that, but dude, I mean

2193
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 4: seeing DDP go the five rounds and be kind of

2194
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 4: peaking at the end and be able to make the

2195
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 4: striking adjustments that he did, I mean, dude, if he's

2196
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 4: got that two in his game, I kind of thought.

2197
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: He should have been favored over Autosni.

2198
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter in that, but I spent a

2199
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 4: lot of the build of this fight thinking that and

2200
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 4: thinking this was ddp's fight.

2201
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: But then I can get caught into seeing it's not

2202
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: the fact.

2203
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 4: That that Otto Sony's in that shape, it's I know,

2204
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 4: how he can raise his game. Look certain guys, I mean,

2205
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 4: there's such a little amount that separates greatness. But look

2206
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 4: at what somebody like Max Holloway did against Justin Gatgee

2207
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 4: and he was back, was kind of against the wall

2208
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 4: in that fight where we thought he was going to

2209
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 4: take a lot of damage even if he won, and

2210
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 4: you know, is it worth it? And it's somewhat similar

2211
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 4: to what Assignya already did against Prayer. Atto Sonya has

2212
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 4: an ability to raise himself to a higher level in

2213
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 4: the biggest moments. It's part of his you know, super

2214
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 4: skills there and Luke, if he raises to that level,

2215
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 4: that's going to be too much for DDP. So if

2216
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 4: that guy shows up, but it's like that's not something

2217
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 4: you can prepare for and carve out. I think Attasani

2218
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 4: is capable of bringing that guy in. But to your point,

2219
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 4: I could see domination either way. I could see an

2220
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 4: absolute forty eight forty seven headache where the scores are

2221
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 4: all all over the place and everyone thinks their guy won.

2222
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: That's all great. Give that to me. Bring it in here.

2223
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 1: I want to see that.

2224
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,959
Speaker 4: Could dp ceiling get any larger? I mentioned the escalation

2225
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 4: of what he showed against Strickland. Have we yet to

2226
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 4: see the peak of what he's capable of?

2227
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be surprised.

2228
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 4: If he wrestled and controlled and kind of physically dominated

2229
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 4: out of Sonia.

2230
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: But how much room left is there for him to show?

2231
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: I actually feel like this could be.

2232
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 10: I mean, people have complained about we haven't really talked

2233
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 10: about this, but people have complained about is he getting

2234
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 10: the title shot? And it's not even necessarily that I

2235
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 10: think that they don't have a point.

2236
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 2: They certainly do.

2237
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 10: It's like you lost badly and then you're off for

2238
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 10: eleven months, and then you just waltz into a title shot, Like,

2239
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 10: how does that make sense?

2240
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, the reason why it makes sense is not.

2241
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 10: Because he's getting it based on anything he did from

2242
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 10: a meritocratic standpoint in the short run, of course, that's

2243
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 10: not true. What is true is one, he's the second

2244
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 10: best middleweight of all time, win or lose on Saturday.

2245
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 2: And more to the point, this is a grudge match.

2246
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 10: They have this obligation based on what they're being paid

2247
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 10: by tourism boards to go to Australia.

2248
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 2: Like, that's why he's getting this fight.

2249
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 10: It makes a lot of sense for the business and

2250
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 10: for folks who don't understand this. The job of the

2251
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 10: promoter is to put on fights that people want to

2252
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 10: pay money to see. That is the job, no matter

2253
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 10: what else anybody says, that is the job. So that's

2254
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 10: why he's getting this opportunity. And now, of course it

2255
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 10: comes with everything else we've talked about, which is, you know,

2256
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 10: it's an exciting fight.

2257
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: It will probably be crazy no matter what.

2258
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 10: Okay, fine, But the reason I bring all this up is, like, dude,

2259
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 10: just think about what this means for just a second

2260
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 10: win or lose. Izzy's place stays at number two. But

2261
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 10: for drinkis to get a win over a guy like

2262
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 10: that I think would be majorly validating. Understand something like

2263
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 10: the win he got over Whittaker, No question about it,

2264
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 10: Whitaker wants a rematch.

2265
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 2: He might end up getting one depending on how things

2266
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 2: play out.

2267
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 10: But it was super legit and everything else, and we

2268
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 10: had questions to kind of clown and based on fights

2269
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 10: like the Till fight where he's you know, throwing Till

2270
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,520
Speaker 10: on top of him.

2271
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: But the we have talked about this.

2272
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 10: Either the Sean Strickland factor here kind of looms large

2273
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 10: in my view, and watching that fight in real time,

2274
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 10: I thought that the DDP kind of edged it. Upon

2275
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 10: second view, I was like, I think Strickland might have

2276
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 10: edged this one, actually, but of course, you know, no

2277
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 10: crying over spilt milk. My point being is if he

2278
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 10: goes in there against Izzy, who had all this time, off,

2279
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 10: all this opportunity to get right, all this time to

2280
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 10: focus on one opponent, get his body in the shape

2281
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 10: he needs, to get his mind right, you name it,

2282
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 10: heal from injury, all the things that a guy needs

2283
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 10: to do, and then you go in there and you

2284
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 10: beat that guy, and yes he's thirty five that it's

2285
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 10: oneenty five and up.

2286
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Different ballgame.

2287
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 10: We're not talking about one to fifty five in now

2288
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 10: where it's you know, a bit of a death sentence

2289
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 10: at the title level. That's not the case of onity

2290
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 10: five and up. So he's as prime as generally a

2291
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 10: middle eight contender can be. You beat a guy like that, dude,

2292
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 10: that is massively validating. Now, I don't know what it

2293
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 10: means for the UFC's designs to go into Africa, South

2294
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 10: Africa in particular, or anything like that.

2295
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to say exactly what that might mean. But

2296
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:29,480
Speaker 2: for DDP.

2297
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 10: Himself, if you finish Whittaker and then let's say, let's

2298
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 10: say he finishes Izzy this weekend, dude, are you shitting me?

2299
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:41,480
Speaker 10: Like that is a That is huge for his validation,

2300
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 10: That is huge for his resume, huge for how he'll

2301
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 10: be seen. And then again, I know we're kind of

2302
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 10: sick of like, oh, what does it mean if he

2303
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 10: goes and finds him a weight class. I don't you know,

2304
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 10: I don't even know what that would look like or

2305
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 10: if that's realistic.

2306
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, I don't you know, I hesitate.

2307
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 10: To even bring it up, but I'm just saying also,

2308
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 10: like those conversations will fucking have.

2309
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 4: He's impassive as shit watching that Countdown show, Like I

2310
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 4: never thought he could be this, But when you look back, dude,

2311
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 4: he had that McGregor level of not just confidence, but

2312
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 4: a vision and a plan of how he was going

2313
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 4: to get there.

2314
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: Like he's the fucking real deal. He's absolutely what he

2315
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: says he is. And more.

2316
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 4: And look when they show in the Countdown show, specifically

2317
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 4: how the team diagnosed the.

2318
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Victory over Whittaker. When we talk about that Whitaker.

2319
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 4: Fright, we talk about the steamrolling, but it was the

2320
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 4: fact that they turned South Paul finding the one. What

2321
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 4: they fought was weakness in Whittaker's defense and then exploited

2322
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 4: it and ran right over him. That obviously was like, all,

2323
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 4: we're dealing with a different mind than we thought. We

2324
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 4: just thought this guy was big and cocky. This guy's

2325
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 4: fucking great.

2326
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he does have It's the same with

2327
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 10: Tom aspinall like Tom, I mean, I'm not comparing the

2328
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 10: two exactly.

2329
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 2: They're very different, but.

2330
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 10: I'm saying Tom does have defensive liabilities like those are real,

2331
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 10: but he just makes up for it because heavyweight is

2332
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 10: relatively weak and he's a dynamic athlete in his offense

2333
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 10: is incredible. Tricks has issues that show up on camera,

2334
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 10: clear about that, but but he is not just some

2335
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 10: kind of marauding bruiser.

2336
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: That was the error that I.

2337
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 10: Made in assessing him, and that was the error you made. Yes,

2338
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 10: there might be some fundamental flaws. However, However, while in

2339
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 10: addition to being a physical powerhouse. You can clearly tell

2340
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 10: that there is a significant amount of thoughtful game plan

2341
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 10: that goes in. They have a strategies, B strategies, see strategies.

2342
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 10: If all that fails, and yes, if all that fails,

2343
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 10: then there'll be in trouble. But they've got layers to

2344
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 10: their game plan. They are thoughtful guys, and it just

2345
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 10: goes to show man, it's like ten years ago, and

2346
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 10: this is an obvious point, but like ten fifteen years ago,

2347
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 10: it was really only the super gyms that could get

2348
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,839
Speaker 10: guys to cook up game plans like this. Dude, they're

2349
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 10: pulling game plans out of this quite literally, out of

2350
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 10: every corner on Earth. So I think that both guys

2351
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 10: have their hands full this weekend, no doubt about it.

2352
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 4: Look, I saw, I get what you say about Ottosania's

2353
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 4: place in history, and I certainly agree with that this

2354
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 4: this wouldn't take it, you know, up ten notches.

2355
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: But time Champion says a lot about you.

2356
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 4: I'm not comparing him to Ali, but one part of

2357
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali's incredible essence and belovedness and legacy was that

2358
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 4: even at advancing ages, Man, he could just turn it

2359
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 4: up and remind you who he is and win a

2360
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 4: fight he wasn't supposed to you. From George Foreman to

2361
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 4: the Sphinx rematch and many in between.

2362
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: Adasania seems to have some level of that.

2363
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 4: Look, if he does this, I mean he's already secured,

2364
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of what he's accomplished in terms

2365
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 4: of his historical legacy, but at times in terms of

2366
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 4: how people either belove him or not because his personalities.

2367
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 4: You know, he's not afraid to flash himself and isn't

2368
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 4: always trying to be PC or be you know, get

2369
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,520
Speaker 4: everybody to agree with him. He can be partially polarizing

2370
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 4: at times, but the ultimate language that fight fans respect

2371
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 4: the most is when you do exactly what we're asking

2372
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 4: him to do, come back again after a devastating loss,

2373
01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:00,839
Speaker 4: and once again reclaim that gold. In terms of comparing

2374
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 4: him historically, if he gets it done, there is sort

2375
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 4: of a thing he's starting to carve out. You know,

2376
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 4: it's Randy catre esque, and hopefully Randy will be here

2377
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 4: at noon. Sorry, I believe like this would take whether

2378
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 4: you know how beloved he is. He's not Max, He's

2379
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 4: not Chuck Ledell on that level, but dude, you go

2380
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 4: back and you do this against the guy that big

2381
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,759
Speaker 4: who's on that run.

2382
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: There's a there's a side to.

2383
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 4: That legacy of just aura and respect that people are

2384
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 4: going to carry on for generations after this.

2385
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 10: I mean, nothing solves problems like winning, nothing solves problem.

2386
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 10: It's to your point, like is he does a lot

2387
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 10: of things, even for a guy like me that's been

2388
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,799
Speaker 10: a long time admirer, has been off putting, like posting

2389
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 10: like you know how serious it is. It's really hard

2390
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 10: to know in the world where everybody's in the edge

2391
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 10: lord all of a sudden, but like posting Hitler memes

2392
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 10: and shit like I don't even know what that's supposed

2393
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 10: to be and whatnot, among any number of other things

2394
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 10: you could pick up on that have rubbed people the

2395
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 10: wrong way. But at the same time, he's always been

2396
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 10: kind of this sort of for better or for worse

2397
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 10: a union he can freeze spirit and then competitively to

2398
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 10: the point that you raise, I mean, it has to

2399
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 10: be the case that holding on to your title over

2400
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 10: that expanse of time is more difficult than losing it

2401
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 10: and getting it back. On the other hand, there is

2402
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 10: something uniquely difficult about losing your title and getting it

2403
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 10: back and then doing that multiple times to the point

2404
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 10: that you raise it shows that maybe the overall consistent

2405
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 10: ability to be in a place you need to be

2406
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 10: to win is sometimes lacking. However, the ability to marshal

2407
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 10: all of the resources and everything else that exists to

2408
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 10: raise your game at the precise moment where it is required.

2409
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 10: I don't think folks understand how difficult that actually is

2410
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 10: to do. It's why you almost never see. It's very

2411
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 10: very very rare for someone to lose a UFC title

2412
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 10: and then get it back twice much or once and

2413
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 10: then much less another time, so you know, three times

2414
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 10: in total. To your point, he would do only be

2415
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 10: the second guy in UFC history to ever do something.

2416
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 2: That's why.

2417
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 10: That's how fucking rare it is. That is how difficult

2418
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 10: it is usually in the UFC. If you lose your

2419
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 10: title again, by and large it is gone. You will

2420
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 10: not get it back. For him to do that, if

2421
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 10: he can do that on Saturday essentially a second time

2422
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 10: in regaining it, I can't put him over Anderson Silva.

2423
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 10: But what I would be able to say is, but

2424
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 10: for arguably the best of all time, and certainly the

2425
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 10: best in that division, what he would be doing would

2426
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 10: be I mean, I don't know how we sec I've

2427
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 10: only thought about this way. I don't know how it

2428
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 10: would change the overall conversation about where he lands among

2429
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 10: all fighters all time, but it would have to be

2430
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 10: a substantial boost.

2431
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: And that it's like Paul Bunyan stuff.

2432
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 4: It's like that, that just toughness and that like diesel Man,

2433
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 4: that's the dude type of thing. It's hard to really

2434
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 4: put that into words, but it's that aura that you

2435
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 4: know it when you see it, and he seems to

2436
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 4: have that in this would certainly just explode that right there.

2437
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Love, I love Izzy Man for.

2438
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 4: Everything we've been through in this issy experience, Luke, this

2439
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 4: is going to be wild.

2440
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: What who gets it done?

2441
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 4: On?

2442
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 2: They're they're just they just don't make them like this

2443
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 2: very often.

2444
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 10: They you just middleway has been interesting because in general

2445
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 10: it's a really weak division, like you know, the the

2446
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 10: rank and file of middleweight, it is just not nearly

2447
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 10: as interesting as the rank and file of one fifty five. However,

2448
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 10: it has also been home to some really unique champions,

2449
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 10: these two in particular, but not just them, that have

2450
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 10: shown some of the greater parts about what makes MMA great,

2451
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 10: and I we should say, if Dricus ends up getting

2452
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 10: a win over this guy, he ends up being part

2453
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 10: of that elite pantheon. So middleway a tale of sort

2454
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 10: of two divisions. At the same time. I think we're

2455
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 10: going to get put something pretty special on Saturday.

2456
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 1: I expect intense face offs this week.

2457
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 4: I'm very much looking forward to the press events, especially

2458
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 4: the press conference we rarely actually like look forward to.

2459
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 4: But I want to see what they're slinging back and forth.

2460
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 4: I want to see the intensity levels. I want to

2461
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 4: see a lot of that look. You actually said off

2462
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 4: camera over Texa you'd be willing to recreate their first

2463
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 4: face off right now in MK.

2464
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: But you were like, I have to be honest on

2465
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: you for obvious reasons. I was like, we can bleep

2466
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: the way.

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01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'm definitely not going to use the N

2468
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 10: word fashion on on Twitter these days.

2469
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: Look, give me, give me some betting insight here does

2470
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: it call the distance?

2471
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 2: Man? I don't know.

2472
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 10: You know, it's hard to be confident about it going

2473
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 10: the distance when you look at the odds to your

2474
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 10: points plus or minus one hundred either way, Because I

2475
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 10: would imagine like part of what is he's tagged like,

2476
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 10: so they have different responsibilities. If you're easy, you don't

2477
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 10: want to get tagged or over commit positionally and then

2478
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 10: end up on bottom. If your drick is you don't

2479
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 10: want to over commit and walk in to something that's

2480
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 10: really kind of what those are. The two sort of

2481
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 10: like very general ways of what they're both trying to overcome.

2482
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 10: And so I think on I think early on it

2483
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 10: might make them a little bit defensive. But I just

2484
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 10: feel like the way drinks fights, it will just crack

2485
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 10: it open no matter what man is the tough. I

2486
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 10: didn't think he could finish Whitaker, and he finished him off.

2487
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 10: I'll say it doesn't go the distance. I'll say it doesn't.

2488
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 10: I think that it could start slow. I mean, obviously

2489
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 10: there's a chance because they're both gonna again. Sure, I

2490
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 10: do think it will start defensively, very both guys trying

2491
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 10: to figure it out. It will just heat up over

2492
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 10: time and potentially very quickly. But I I would say,

2493
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 10: I would say the chances that it gets stopped are

2494
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 10: probably high, or at least relatively speaking high.

2495
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 2: But do you are you give a different mind?

2496
01:46:58,280 --> 01:46:59,799
Speaker 1: No, I think it's going the distance.

2497
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a little bit disputed

2498
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 4: in terms of who people thought one. I think both

2499
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 4: are going to be able to carry out parts of

2500
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 4: their game plan, like we kind of talked about almost

2501
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 4: in every other round scenario or some level of ebb

2502
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 4: and flowing there.

2503
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:13,560
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm back around.

2504
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 4: Again on DDP can do this. And I saw enough

2505
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 4: things in that Strickland fight, even strategically where you can

2506
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 4: figure out a ways obviously have to have kind of

2507
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 4: like overwhelming physical moments, you know, landing big strikes for sure,

2508
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 4: impact strikes for sure. But I'm in the belief, Luke,

2509
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 4: tell me if I'm crazy, that Easy has just as

2510
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 4: big of a chance to go from this fight almost

2511
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 4: immediately into a light heavyweight title shot against Poeton to

2512
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 4: in some way possibly end that great rivalry with a

2513
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 4: loss as he would.

2514
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: With a win.

2515
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 4: Like could you imagine a scenario where this is a

2516
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 4: very good fight, like think Strickland versus DDP, but maybe

2517
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 4: even a little bit better. And Izzy, you're like, damn

2518
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 4: man for thirty five for trying to become a three

2519
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 4: division champion. You fought his ass off and I can

2520
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 4: even make an argument that he should have won, but

2521
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 4: he loses a split decision, and then he keeps bulking

2522
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 4: up and goes up to two o five and we

2523
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 4: have that major sum at Luke.

2524
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: I think that's plausible, plausible.

2525
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 2: Obviously the win would be what you really need.

2526
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 10: To make that fight happen. So I would imagine that

2527
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 10: that's much like two oh five.

2528
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what what.

2529
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 10: Benefits is he is that obviously Poton's a Champions two

2530
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 10: of five.

2531
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 2: But then you got like on calid rackets happening.

2532
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 4: That tells you that they're doing it right. Doesn't that

2533
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 4: tell you that they're leaving Poton open for this?

2534
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:32,520
Speaker 2: So I think there's only two possibilities.

2535
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 10: One this one that they're waiting to see what happens

2536
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 10: with Izzy and drinkis that's the first one. The second one,

2537
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 10: and I don't think it's likely, but at least plausible

2538
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 10: or at least potentially possible. Maybe he's a better way

2539
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 10: to put it, that they want him for some kind

2540
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 10: of backup sweepstakes for Tom John Steve Bay somewhere involved

2541
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 10: in that if they really have to like call in

2542
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 10: a hail Mary.

2543
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 1: Again, that's a great point.

2544
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 10: So there's there's something that they clearly like like getting

2545
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 10: him him in front of on caliv is not a

2546
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 10: huge priority, right, It's clearly not a huge priority.

2547
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 2: We all thought he was a prohibitive, like number.

2548
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 10: One contended and they're like, yeah, did you go fight

2549
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 10: Rackets who just lost to Yuri? Next it's like, oh,

2550
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 10: I don't hate that fight. Actually like that fight, but

2551
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 10: like that's not what I expected. So they clearly have

2552
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 10: designs on him elsewhere. There's just a lot they can

2553
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 10: play with.

2554
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 2: This is my point.

2555
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 10: It's like, if is he loses, a whole hum decision

2556
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 10: to drinkeis, Yeah, could you go to two oh five? Yes,

2557
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 10: especially if Drakes ends up just like grinding out of

2558
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 10: forty eight forty seven with like you know, kind of

2559
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 10: like heavy wrestling or something, Yes, that is certainly possible.

2560
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 10: Or if is he loses but rockstrick is a couple

2561
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 10: of times you're like, oh, let's see what it looks

2562
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,680
Speaker 10: like in a different scenario, you know, But there's a

2563
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 10: lot of scenarios where that gets blown up. Winning is

2564
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 10: really the one where that makes the most sense. But

2565
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 10: if is he doesn't win and also kind of looks bad,

2566
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 10: they who knows what I mean? Do they really want

2567
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 10: to do poton versus on calive or poton versus rackete

2568
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:55,679
Speaker 10: versus Poton.

2569
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 2: I guesst aspinall you know what I mean, there's just

2570
01:49:58,479 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 2: a lot of ways.

2571
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: I believe that that their plan is to make is He,

2572
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 4: no matter what against all the time. That's my belief,

2573
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 4: no matter what well, no matter what I think, it's

2574
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 4: their plan next, no matter what, well, I mean short

2575
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 4: of is he getting knocked out?

2576
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 2: Here?

2577
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 4: Long Island Luke of the main Card Minute gambling podcast

2578
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 4: where Luke, I don't know if you heard me. On Saturday,

2579
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 4: I tuned into the pot It was Gaffney, Jim and

2580
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 4: Long Island Luke.

2581
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: They did Loong rips on the air. It was tremendous television.

2582
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: It was wild. All right, uh l I Luke, where

2583
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: are you going with this? On Sarah?

2584
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 5: I've been torn all week and I am a self

2585
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 5: proclaimed is He fan, But I think I'm riding with

2586
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 5: DDP on this one?

2587
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 3: All right?

2588
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,480
Speaker 1: Right, Well, once again Long Luke riding that dah.

2589
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I can't hear him. What did

2590
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 2: he say?

2591
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: He said that he's riding with DDP.

2592
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Oh by what I see it going the distance?

2593
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: He's going distance, He's going distance.

2594
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 2: Decisions.

2595
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, okay, interesting, interesting, all right, I guess we'll see.

2596
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 4: Look, let's talk this comin event. It's pretty big for

2597
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 4: the flyweight division.

2598
01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 6: Here.

2599
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 4: Steve her Saeg fresh off of nearly nearly after just

2600
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:04,839
Speaker 4: three fights, nearly winning the UFC flyweight title against Pantosia

2601
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 4: in a great effort that was very close. He will

2602
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 4: be a favorite minus one six eighty.

2603
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: Five one eighty five. Sorry, I'm old.

2604
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 4: Now I'm forty six now against the plus one fifty

2605
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 4: four Khai Car France, an absolutely sizzling matchup. Why does

2606
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 4: nobody seem to care about this right now? Do they

2607
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:23,680
Speaker 4: not want Erseg in this fight?

2608
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: What's going on here?

2609
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 3: Luke?

2610
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 10: Maybe I've misheard you, but I'm looking at the DraftKings

2611
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 10: odds here. I see Ertheg as minus two oh five

2612
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 10: according to our friends at Draft Kings.

2613
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 4: Did you say that I refreshed a couple of minutes

2614
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 4: ago and I got one eighty five minus one eighty five.

2615
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm on Best Fight Odds dot Com.

2616
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 10: I'm not sure, but either way they have ersa against

2617
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 10: the favor dude, despite bangs. I mean, as fight as

2618
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 10: it is, super interesting, You've got Hi Car France, who

2619
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 10: I think has lost maybe one or two in a row,

2620
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 10: but certainly coming off that Albasi loss, which was you know,

2621
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 10: Albosi might be the future champion.

2622
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how big of a blemish that actually

2623
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 2: ends up being. I think that loss wolf one unquote

2624
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:59,480
Speaker 2: eight well so to speak.

2625
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 10: Erseg having having a win against Pantojin in the palm

2626
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:05,800
Speaker 10: of his hand and then giving it away with some

2627
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 10: questionable decision making down the stretch. What I can't quite

2628
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 10: tell BC is that war against Pantoji because it was

2629
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 10: a bit of a war. I mean, there's a lot

2630
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 10: of grappling, but it was a lot of damage back

2631
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 10: and forth. Will he be a little bit under the

2632
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 10: gun because of something like that, or is an experience

2633
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 10: like that really raise his game. My my hunch is

2634
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 10: it's the latter. It's gonna raise his game. And remember,

2635
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 10: kay Kr France has had of late some concussion issues

2636
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 10: as well, not that I think that would necessarily deter him.

2637
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 10: I think he's got a style that kind of is

2638
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,560
Speaker 10: baked in at this point, but I guess we'll see. Nevertheless,

2639
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 10: it's an Aussie versus a Kiwi, and I feel like

2640
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 10: this fight is I mean, the odds are relatively close,

2641
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 10: but could be even closer. But for me, for Erseg

2642
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 10: is really where I've got my eye on. Kay car

2643
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 10: France has certainly not passed it. I don't think that

2644
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:59,719
Speaker 10: is true, but Erseg has I think significant upside, assuming

2645
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 10: that that Pantojia fight didn't short run or long run

2646
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 10: wreck him, and so I'm very, very curious to see

2647
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 10: how he'll rebound from something where he was this fucking

2648
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 10: close to winning.

2649
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 2: A UFC title, barely into a UFC runs. Here's interesting

2650
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 2: about this fight.

2651
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 10: You see, like, if you look at the guys he's fought,

2652
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 10: he thought a bunch of guys like the best guy

2653
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,799
Speaker 10: he fought before Pantoja was matched out. A good fighter,

2654
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 10: make no mistake, a good fighter, but not a guy

2655
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 10: who I think has been top five ever. I could

2656
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 10: be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure that's true.

2657
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 10: And Kyle car Franz not a guy who won a

2658
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 10: title but has been top five over time. So this

2659
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 10: is one of those interesting cases where it's like where

2660
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 10: actually it does Ersag fall. We know he's better than

2661
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 10: guys who are top ten ish or outside the top ten,

2662
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 10: for sure, but he fell short against Pantoja.

2663
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 2: Was it just because Pantoja is really.

2664
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 10: Really elite me he made one bad call, or is

2665
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 10: it because maybe he'll actually naturally settle somewhere in that

2666
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 10: two to five two to seven space and that's just

2667
01:53:58,439 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 10: what the ceiling actually looks like.

2668
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 2: This fight is going to give us so much better

2669
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 2: answer to.

2670
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,800
Speaker 1: That, absolutely will.

2671
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,480
Speaker 4: I thought that what's interesting about this is the scenario

2672
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 4: that you laid out for Ersag correctly, that he's trying

2673
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 4: to make good on kind of botching but narrowly getting

2674
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 4: that championship. Look as a three month turnaround for him

2675
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 4: for this fight, which is short for sure. But Kay

2676
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 4: Carr Fence almost had a similar moment I thought in

2677
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 4: the Brandon Moreno fight, I remember thinking that was going

2678
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 4: to be his moment. He was going to break through,

2679
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 4: win the interim championship, get the undisputed chance, and really

2680
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 4: kind of become a thing. You know, see if he

2681
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 4: can build a rain Moreno, to his credit, rallies to

2682
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 4: get him there. And I don't put the Albasi loss

2683
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 4: as some huge indication that he'll never be that guy,

2684
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 4: but he was so close to his moment, and look

2685
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 4: at what happened here, I wonder if that plays into

2686
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 4: the motivation level and we really see not desperation, but

2687
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 4: we see I mean, you're gonna.

2688
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: Need to see a lot of KKF here to get

2689
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: over Erstag.

2690
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 4: It's such a good matchup, it's such a tough fight

2691
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 4: for him, but he was almost in that same spot.

2692
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 4: What does he have left in the tank and the backbone?

2693
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 4: Qui car France to come back and show us can

2694
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 4: he raise his game even higher? Luke I felt if

2695
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 4: not for that misstep there against Moreno, he might already

2696
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 4: be here with the belt.

2697
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Moreno fire. We actually look

2698
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 2: at how he got stopped.

2699
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 10: They were on a clinch break and he's circling out

2700
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,160
Speaker 10: and Moreno at long distance hit him with a body

2701
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 10: kick as he was moving away and it folded him

2702
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 10: and then he got finished off from there. That's just

2703
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 10: not something that Erseg throws a lot of. I'm not

2704
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:28,040
Speaker 10: saying that one guy could follow other guy's game plan.

2705
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 10: I'm just saying Moreno is one of these guys who

2706
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 10: kind of just takes offense wherever he can find it.

2707
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 10: Ersek is a little bit more thoughtful and in fact

2708
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 10: likes to get a little bit closer to people to

2709
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 10: make his boxing work a little bit better.

2710
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 2: So it's a much different kind of fight.

2711
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 10: And kay Car France very good takedown defence in the flyway,

2712
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 10: very good scrambling, highly experienced against good guys and some

2713
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 10: good boxing himself. He will call like you know, Coodie

2714
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 10: Garbranch tried to kick him in the leg and then

2715
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 10: I did it at the wrong distance and kai Kr

2716
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 10: Franz made him.

2717
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 2: Pay for it. So this is a really really interesting

2718
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 2: one where.

2719
01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 10: I could, you know, styles make fights, styles make fights

2720
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 10: absolutely ky car fans is Kai car France?

2721
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 2: For example, is he better on the feet than Pentoja? Yes?

2722
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 10: On the pure on pure striking terms. Is he better

2723
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 10: on the feet of Pentoji?

2724
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 4: Yes?

2725
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 2: Is Pandoja's ability to mix it up.

2726
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 10: And they kind of change the dynamic of striking due

2727
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 10: to some of the wrestling in the backpacking that makes

2728
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 10: that all go.

2729
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 2: Away, and you saw have some some decent ability to

2730
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 2: challenge for that. Well, none of that is relevant here.

2731
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 2: None of that is relevant here.

2732
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 10: I mean maybe goes for a takedown and I think

2733
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 10: that is at least possible. Also, it's a three round fight,

2734
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 10: not a five round fight. So you kind of got

2735
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 10: to get to work right away in this one too,

2736
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 10: which makes it is it?

2737
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 2: Actually let me ask, am I wrong? Is that a

2738
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 2: three round fight or a five round fight? It's three?

2739
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 2: It's three, Yeah, it's three. It's three.

2740
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 10: It's a three round five. This is exactly my point.

2741
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 10: You got to get right to work. It's a different fight.

2742
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 10: It's a totally different fight. So I could see a

2743
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 10: case for Kai car France, who is very good about movement,

2744
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 10: very quick in space, out of space, changing angles, turning.

2745
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 2: I could see that giving some problems.

2746
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 10: This is gonna be a big test of Erse, I

2747
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 10: think his ability to try an opponent with his own footwork,

2748
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,040
Speaker 10: in his own offense, rather than letting a guy come

2749
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 10: to him in the way that Pantoja would just kind

2750
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 10: of walk into him.

2751
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 2: Kay, kr France is going to play a bit of

2752
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 2: a different game.

2753
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 10: Moreno had an answer for it because of the way

2754
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 10: Moreno fights, some of those things are just not going

2755
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 10: to be available at er second.

2756
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 2: This is a big, big chess match here.

2757
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ersak comes in at number seven, Kai kr Frience

2758
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 4: number four. Oh I love that fight too. Let's talk

2759
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 4: about this lightweight tilt that really could be a big

2760
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 4: booster he especially for mataeis.

2761
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: Gamrock, but never count out Dan Hooker.

2762
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 4: Luke, this matchup but is what it is, it is

2763
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 4: probably gonna be entertaining his Heck, they got machayas Gamrot

2764
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 4: as a minus three twenty five favorite draftings at this

2765
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 4: moment unless your best fight odds dot com link is updated.

2766
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,919
Speaker 1: Faster than mine, Luke, Dan Hooker plus two sixty.

2767
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, where are we at in your opinion?

2768
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 1: And the true stakes of this?

2769
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 4: Like, is this Gamrot's moment to I mean, he's been

2770
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 4: close before, but he's got to kind of push through

2771
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 4: and get out of this crowded group there at top

2772
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 4: fifty five.

2773
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, you.

2774
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 10: Gotta love Dan Hooker because he well, I mean, you know,

2775
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 10: there's a lot of guys who are like, oh, I'll

2776
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 10: fight anybody, and then when it comes down to fight someone,

2777
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 10: they're like, yeah, I'm not doing that shit.

2778
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker is that guy.

2779
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 3: You know.

2780
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 10: Dan Hooker is absolutely that guy, and he's skillful. I

2781
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 10: think he really wanted to fight on this card. He

2782
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 10: made no secret of that, trying to get a fight

2783
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 10: for three h five. I don't know, man, it's Listen,

2784
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 10: you definitely don't want to count out Hooker for a

2785
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 10: lot of reasons. He's very experienced. He kind of knows

2786
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 10: what he's up against here, Like gam Rock's gonna wrestle

2787
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 10: him beginning of the belt of the first, belt of

2788
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 10: the last, and so you there's some level of some

2789
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 10: level of predictability with that, and I think that's cool.

2790
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 2: At the same time, it's just a very tough matchup.

2791
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 10: And like, part of the reason Dan Hooker's got double

2792
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 10: digit losses is not because he sucks, is because he

2793
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 10: just takes fights that are very, very difficult a lot

2794
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 10: of other people avoid, and he really wanted this one

2795
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 10: Gamrock signed up.

2796
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: You know, the odds are I think pretty fair.

2797
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 10: Hooker has experience in ways, like you know, could he

2798
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 10: replicate the Jalen Turner fight. Maybe maybe, but Hooker, excuse me,

2799
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 10: Turner lost that one too, right, so it's a tough one.

2800
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 2: Like Gamroth should not lose this fight. He could because Hooker.

2801
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 10: The one thing I'll say, like, for example, the difference

2802
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 10: between this fight and like the Islam fight. Islam has

2803
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 10: much better I think control that leads to positions that

2804
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 10: set up submissions, and then submissions themselves.

2805
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 2: Gamrock's not really that guy.

2806
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 10: He's kind of like a hold you, ground and pound,

2807
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 10: but it's not superficious. Ground and pounds good, but it's

2808
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 10: not great. That gives Hooker some life, that gives him

2809
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 10: an ability to get back to the feet or get

2810
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 10: another round potentially, So it's different in that sense, and

2811
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 10: that makes Gamrot a little bit more open. At the

2812
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 10: same time, Gamroth is arguably arguably the best pure wrestler

2813
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 10: at one fifty five. Like, it's a tough got to

2814
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 10: beat man, It's a really tough got to beat so

2815
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:57,040
Speaker 10: I wish it was.

2816
01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 2: He's gonna need it.

2817
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,080
Speaker 4: Hooker's thirty four years old these ranked eleventh, but is

2818
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 4: coming on off of that two fight win streak, so

2819
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 4: it is not a bad fight to make at this moment,

2820
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 4: but it really seems to be about what could be

2821
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 4: next with it for Gamrod. He comes in at number

2822
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:12,920
Speaker 4: five and luke that run he's on, winning seven of eight,

2823
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 4: A lot of big names on there, from RDA and

2824
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 4: PHYSIV and the Tarantula down to armand Seruki, and I

2825
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 4: know some of these fights are close and disputed either way,

2826
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 4: and he had that decision lost to Dariush, but we

2827
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 4: seemed to be asking Gamrod a lot. We love the wrestling,

2828
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,040
Speaker 4: but to be a little bit more. I think sometimes

2829
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 4: like he's just like this is who I am, Luke

2830
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 4: is who he is enough to get to the title.

2831
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:41,320
Speaker 10: Level generally speaking, no, generally speaking no, at times, it

2832
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 10: is enough to get a big and inspired win. I

2833
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 10: do think that is true. I don't think it's I

2834
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 10: just you know, you have to have I mean here,

2835
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,400
Speaker 10: he's a little bit too old, a little bit too

2836
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 10: beaten up, and there's been too many different styles that

2837
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 10: have given him problems at some Barboza gave him problems, Islam,

2838
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 10: Markatscheff gave him problems even to an extent. You know

2839
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 10: it's controversial with disputed decision or whatever. But even Paul Felder,

2840
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 10: you know, gave him problems. Like there's lots of different

2841
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 10: and that's an issue, right, Like, there's just a lot

2842
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 10: of different types that I've shown to give him difficulty.

2843
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 10: At the same time, you know, this is a guy

2844
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 10: who has a stoppage win over Gilbert fucking Burns. You know,

2845
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 10: like he is a tough customer with some real good

2846
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 10: kickboxing skill and some good submission skill as well. So

2847
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 10: it really comes down to can he make Gamrock make

2848
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 10: an error? To what extent can he Either he gave

2849
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,840
Speaker 10: the take down, which I don't think he can, but

2850
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:30,560
Speaker 10: to what extent can he mitigate it and then get

2851
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:33,720
Speaker 10: back to his feet and then do damage? Really are

2852
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 10: these are not likely paths to victory, but they're not

2853
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 10: completely unwalkable either.

2854
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 1: I was asking you, really if Gamra had what it

2855
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 1: takes with the seven of eight.

2856
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I find the.

2857
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 10: Hooker well, okay, but the Gamera situation is a little

2858
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 10: bit kind of similar in one particular way, which.

2859
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 2: Is, you know, what is his ace in the hole?

2860
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:54,840
Speaker 2: His ace in the hole and.

2861
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 10: Really the central part of his game, and there's not

2862
02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 10: a whole lot else to it is the wrestling.

2863
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:01,960
Speaker 2: Now that wrestling is very, very good.

2864
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 10: You can go back to the Derry Yusch fight and

2865
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 10: I know he lost that one, but you know he

2866
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:07,040
Speaker 10: was giving him as well as he was taking it.

2867
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 10: Sar Yuki in. I mean, you just pick whichever one

2868
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:10,600
Speaker 10: you want. This is what he just came off. The

2869
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 10: Los Angeles point of memory serves right, So he's got

2870
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 10: a lot going for him in the right direction. But

2871
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 10: the striking is functional. There's appears to be not much

2872
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,000
Speaker 10: of a submission threat. The ground and pound is fine,

2873
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,960
Speaker 10: but it's not super elite and dangerous. There's not a

2874
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 10: lot of passing, there's not a lot of like hardcore backtaking.

2875
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 10: It's just a lot of control, and that is valuable.

2876
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 10: I'm not saying he's like, you know, a lightweight version

2877
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 10: of Mohamed Mokaya. There's a little bit more to it

2878
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 10: than that, but not enough for like a title fight,

2879
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 10: I don't think, especially over the course of five rounds,

2880
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:45,800
Speaker 10: three rounds like this. Yeah, he's really tough to be

2881
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,920
Speaker 10: for sure, but against five without those other pieces of

2882
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 10: the game really being a part of it, it's possible,

2883
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 10: but unlikely.

2884
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 4: All right, Luke, let's go to the heavyweight division because

2885
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:59,840
Speaker 4: it's referendum time for thirty one year old Ti to

2886
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 4: Ivasa or is it right? He's so exciting he makes

2887
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 4: fun fights of late. The last four he gets stopped

2888
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 4: in those fights. Sarahl Gon, Pavlovich, Volkov, Urchin Tai Burra.

2889
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:15,960
Speaker 4: Last time out, he draws Jay Zeen, Jay Rozeno, Rosenstrike,

2890
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,080
Speaker 4: who's coming off a win himself against Shamil Gasiev. And

2891
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 4: when we look at the odds, at the moment here

2892
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 4: minus two thirty Rosen strike your favorite plus one ninety

2893
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 4: tie to Ivasa Luke Long Island, Luke no Seeda, son

2894
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 4: of an Australian by the way, was trying to argue

2895
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 4: with me before this show that you can't cut tye.

2896
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 4: He's yelling too fun. Is he fighting for his job here, Luke?

2897
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,040
Speaker 4: I mean it's not Tony Ferguson levels of losing skid,

2898
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:42,560
Speaker 4: but five would be bad.

2899
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,080
Speaker 1: Especially by stoppage. I mean, this is what we talk

2900
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 1: about every time he fights.

2901
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing.

2902
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 10: Right, You're losing to Gon interim champ, Pavlovich, you know,

2903
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,800
Speaker 10: Fautford interim title at a bare minimum, Okay, Volkov, who's

2904
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 10: kind of right there now, Like that's obviously a very

2905
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 10: tough guy to be and certainly proven to be top

2906
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 10: of the.

2907
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 2: Division or near it anyway.

2908
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:04,920
Speaker 10: But then you get like you start to lose to

2909
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 10: tayge Bora, and it's like, okay, now you're losing to

2910
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:13,000
Speaker 10: like the B level guys at heavyweight, right, and that's

2911
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,320
Speaker 10: a problem that is that is a different thing altogether.

2912
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,120
Speaker 10: And he had a losing streak before, but he then

2913
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:22,320
Speaker 10: turned around and made a big winning streak. It's like,

2914
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 10: you know, how does the guy who beat Derek Lewis

2915
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:29,440
Speaker 10: lose to Rosenstrike. Well he will if he's just completely

2916
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,000
Speaker 10: damaged goods at this point, you know, And you know

2917
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 10: if you look if you follow him on social media

2918
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 10: and seen some of the new interviews he's done. He's

2919
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 10: been training with Gokonsak I think out in Dubai and

2920
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 10: has really tried to He said, this has been a

2921
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 10: very different camp. I know all these guys say that

2922
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,600
Speaker 10: all the time, but he does appear to look like

2923
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 10: refreshed and ready to go. But you know, with all

2924
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 10: the damage he's taken and all the growth that's required,

2925
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 10: and like, Rosen Strike is a limited heavyweight, but he

2926
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 10: is an accurate striker. He's an accurate puncher. Fact in fact,

2927
02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 10: you go back to like the loss of Francis. Look

2928
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:01,920
Speaker 10: at how well he landed on Francis. Francis just kind

2929
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,560
Speaker 10: of ate it and then just lunged and threw crazy shit.

2930
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 10: But he was landing on him like he lands quite act.

2931
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,000
Speaker 10: Remember he was landing on over em even though he

2932
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 10: was getting taken down in time.

2933
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 3: So like.

2934
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 10: It's one of those things where it's like Tye should

2935
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 10: be able to beat a guy like this. But if

2936
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,760
Speaker 10: he can't, and I think times about thirty one ross

2937
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:23,000
Speaker 10: Strike thirty six, if he can't, It's like I'm not

2938
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 10: saying if you can't beat him, you can't beat anyone

2939
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:28,760
Speaker 10: in the division. But if you're losing to the rosen

2940
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:32,800
Speaker 10: Strikes and the ty Boris of this division, you're C class,

2941
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 10: you know, And we thought he was maybe kind of

2942
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 10: flirting with the A class.

2943
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 2: It would be it would be a bad loss. It

2944
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 2: would be a very very bad loss. You should make

2945
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 2: no bones about it.

2946
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an honest way to say it. Does it does?

2947
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 4: Hey I even have to say this, But is the

2948
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 4: fact that he could be a rest and gone to

2949
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:53,360
Speaker 4: opponent factor him to him to him getting resigned if

2950
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:55,840
Speaker 4: he does lose. I mean it's heavyweight, so he's still

2951
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 4: kind of young enough to kind of take it serious.

2952
02:05:57,800 --> 02:05:59,440
Speaker 1: I need him just take it serious.

2953
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,960
Speaker 4: With fitness and obviously with boxing, I need him.

2954
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,560
Speaker 1: To to to put more.

2955
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 4: I know he treats it as a big fun party

2956
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,040
Speaker 4: and let's cash checks, and it's his right to do that,

2957
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 4: Luke and feed his family that way, But like, if

2958
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 4: he takes it serious, I don't think it's over.

2959
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 1: I think there's still life there to a certain point.

2960
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just the way he lost against Tibora and

2961
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:21,920
Speaker 10: Volkov were I mean, the way he lost to Gone

2962
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:24,760
Speaker 10: was inspiring, right because yeah, he got beaten up, but

2963
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 10: he was gutting it out and throwing back and.

2964
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:29,240
Speaker 2: It was tough and blah blah blah.

2965
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 10: And then you know, I think PAVOLVITCHI blew him out

2966
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 10: of the water, and so okay, Well, Pavovitch is a big,

2967
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,720
Speaker 10: strong guy. And then you know Volkov okay again, still

2968
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:42,400
Speaker 10: kind of a difficult guy to be in. But you know,

2969
02:06:43,480 --> 02:06:45,600
Speaker 10: I don't know, losing to Tibora is a bad sign.

2970
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:47,720
Speaker 10: It's just a really bad sign. Again, it looks like

2971
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 10: he has taken it seriously.

2972
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:54,840
Speaker 2: It does. There are options for him for reasons that

2973
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 2: you bring up.

2974
02:06:56,120 --> 02:07:01,080
Speaker 10: But losing losing to these two guys would be quite

2975
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:01,920
Speaker 10: the fall from grace.

2976
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,960
Speaker 4: It would be like watching a Spevac Tiburro rematch in

2977
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:08,880
Speaker 4: a fight night many Yeah, Luke, is there.

2978
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 2: Any other that I didn't see it?

2979
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 10: But like everyone on my timeline was like, what the

2980
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 10: fuck is this shit?

2981
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:14,960
Speaker 2: Like that?

2982
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:17,320
Speaker 1: Just yeah, we said that one got booked what are

2983
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:20,040
Speaker 1: you doing? What are you doing? I know you have

2984
02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 1: it in out here.

2985
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 4: You gotta get back to your lovely family and continue

2986
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:25,120
Speaker 4: this great mental break, Luke. But I gotta tell you,

2987
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 4: don't even mention my pants. It's a good ass fight.

2988
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:30,920
Speaker 4: Women's flyways. Casey O'Neil versus Luana Santos making a quick

2989
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 4: turnaround after sort of her breakthrough win moment.

2990
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 1: This is a good ass fight, bro, It's a great fight.

2991
02:07:36,440 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 10: Like obviously O'Neill got bodied by Ariani Lipski. But Lipsky

2992
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 10: you watched that fight, was tagging her on the feet

2993
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,600
Speaker 10: and it was actually hurting her on the feet, which

2994
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:46,160
Speaker 10: led to like a bad shot which led to her

2995
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:49,480
Speaker 10: ultimately getting finished off on the ground. That's different than

2996
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 10: Lauana Santos, who doesn't really have the same kind of

2997
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 10: striking but obviously has a great background in judo and

2998
02:07:55,160 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 10: it's dangerous on the ground. You just saw her like

2999
02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:01,320
Speaker 10: Molly Wap Maria Goppava. So with O'Neill, it's like, okay,

3000
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,560
Speaker 10: some of the same dangers on in the clinch and

3001
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:06,440
Speaker 10: on the ground present themselves, but not nearly the same

3002
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:08,360
Speaker 10: kind of threat on the feet. I think O'Neil had

3003
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,760
Speaker 10: just changed her striking coach prior to the Lipsky fight,

3004
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:13,880
Speaker 10: so she actually gets I'm not gonna say an advantageous fight,

3005
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:17,120
Speaker 10: but a big element of what went wrong against Lipski

3006
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:20,400
Speaker 10: is now being removed. And then now I would say

3007
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 10: slightly more danger in the clinch and on the ground.

3008
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:24,560
Speaker 10: But she likes the ground, she likes to wrestle, she

3009
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 10: likes to be there. So it's actually a this is

3010
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 10: one where could go either way. I'm not sure what

3011
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 10: the odds are. I've not double checked them. Whatever, it

3012
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 10: doesn't matter, but I feel like, you know, not that

3013
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:37,760
Speaker 10: it's some kind of disaster. She loses here, but it's

3014
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 10: a much more winnable one, and it's an interesting style

3015
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 10: clash of two people who like to be involved in

3016
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,840
Speaker 10: the ground in the clinch. Lipsky also threw her from

3017
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:46,840
Speaker 10: the clinch, which is a lot of what you see

3018
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 10: from Santos.

3019
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 2: So fun fight, very fun fight.

3020
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, plus one fifty King Casey minus one eighty Luana

3021
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:55,760
Speaker 4: Santos and Lucy all Right, I didn't mean to miss

3022
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,680
Speaker 4: over that pay per view opener The Leech at Welchway

3023
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,960
Speaker 4: jiong Leong against Carl protest that that could be fun too.

3024
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:02,640
Speaker 1: Holy crap.

3025
02:09:02,680 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 10: Protas is an interesting guy where if you look at

3026
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,400
Speaker 10: him on tape, has not appeared to me super impressive,

3027
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:09,000
Speaker 10: but he's got the win over Trevin Giles and he's

3028
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,560
Speaker 10: got the one of her Radke I believe it is

3029
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 10: his name and door Yeah, he blew the doors off

3030
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:14,800
Speaker 10: both those guys.

3031
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, kind of a long Multai style and make

3032
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:20,400
Speaker 2: some fundamental.

3033
02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 10: Errors, but is persistent and that I think he's undefeated

3034
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 10: in his UFC run, so a little bit older as

3035
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 10: a prospect. I think it's like thirty thirty one years

3036
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 10: old as well, but he that could be a fun fight.

3037
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,320
Speaker 10: The question is like, really, where is the leech at

3038
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 10: all of this? Who has been off for a long time?

3039
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 10: Has it won in a long time? So like, what

3040
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 10: are we going to get out of him in all

3041
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 10: of this? I think that's really a little bit more

3042
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 10: of an interesting question.

3043
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:45,560
Speaker 1: For me, Luke. What's your future?

3044
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:47,720
Speaker 4: I mean, you're gonna come home and I'm gonna go

3045
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 4: on vacation and I believe the Great Chuck mindenhol might

3046
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 4: be taking my chair on Monday.

3047
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's.

3048
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 4: Confirmed or if that Yeah, that is confirmed, but I

3049
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 4: look forward to rejoining with you when we both come

3050
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:00,000
Speaker 4: back very refreshed.

3051
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3052
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, man, this was a great vacation, like I really

3053
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:06,680
Speaker 10: needed this one, and uh, you know, my daughters.

3054
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:07,880
Speaker 2: Kept me busy in the pool. As you can see.

3055
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 2: Do I look tanned to you?

3056
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:09,840
Speaker 12: I must?

3057
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 1: You look fit too, Luke. I don't mean to come

3058
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 1: on to you. I mean, but you look fit at

3059
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:15,640
Speaker 1: the moment.

3060
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,680
Speaker 10: Well, I've been drinking everything. I mean, you know, I

3061
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 10: get like two drinks every day. I've been drinking like

3062
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:23,040
Speaker 10: every day. But it's been this is a yeah.

3063
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 1: That was actually Luke's ass.

3064
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,160
Speaker 10: That was That was so this was this was a

3065
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 10: good trip and I got I've got I'll just I'll

3066
02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:34,600
Speaker 10: tell folks I've got when I get back. You won't

3067
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 10: know this, but I've got a Mike Israel interview set up,

3068
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:40,240
Speaker 10: you see, and ready for this one. I've got a

3069
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:43,120
Speaker 10: Frank Martin interview set up and a Bomack interview set

3070
02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 10: up when I get back.

3071
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,320
Speaker 2: How about this? How about this? Ready? I got a

3072
02:10:46,360 --> 02:10:48,720
Speaker 2: Derek James interview set up when I get back. All

3073
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:49,120
Speaker 2: the same.

3074
02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is like, yeah, I've been.

3075
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 2: I've been mustling on vacation. My friend, I've been hustling.

3076
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 4: Wow, you're a hustler. Yeah, that's great, Luke, I'm really

3077
02:11:00,600 --> 02:11:02,840
Speaker 4: excited about that. Seriously, so enjoy the rest of the trip.

3078
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 4: I hope Tooks has some amazing moments in your lovely

3079
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 4: wife as well. I don't know if Boyle is with

3080
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:09,640
Speaker 4: you too. They don't asking too many place.

3081
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 2: Yes, she was here, she joined us will basically the

3082
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:12,040
Speaker 2: entire trip.

3083
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:15,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's her time.

3084
02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:17,040
Speaker 2: I meant to tell you.

3085
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:18,520
Speaker 1: Seriously, let her cook.

3086
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:23,200
Speaker 2: She has been uh took he lost her first tooth

3087
02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 2: last night?

3088
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 12: Oh?

3089
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:28,560
Speaker 1: Is there is there a a what do you call

3090
02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: that guy? The tooth?

3091
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:32,400
Speaker 10: Okay, so in the United States, maybe Europe, I don't know.

3092
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:34,400
Speaker 10: But in the United States we have the tooth fairy.

3093
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:36,920
Speaker 10: And I don't know if it's just Columbia, I think

3094
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 10: it's most Spanish speaking cultures. I don't know, but it's

3095
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:41,320
Speaker 10: definitely here. They don't have the tooth fairy. They have

3096
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 10: a guy by the name of Rat, the rare Rat.

3097
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:51,320
Speaker 10: And what his his deal is. It's the same deal

3098
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 10: they give you money or whatever for your tooth, but

3099
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:56,280
Speaker 10: he uses in their in their lore, he uses the

3100
02:11:56,320 --> 02:12:00,120
Speaker 10: tooth to build his houses. So we had to tell

3101
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:02,440
Speaker 10: her that my wife. My wife was like, if she

3102
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:04,120
Speaker 10: loses the tooth in the United States, you can have

3103
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:10,320
Speaker 10: the tooth fairy if she loses it here. So somebody yesterday.

3104
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: No doubt. The origin story of that is a guy

3105
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:14,000
Speaker 1: that was called Rat.

3106
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:16,520
Speaker 4: Who would go into elderly people's houses in Columbia, take

3107
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,400
Speaker 4: out the tooth with the gold in it, and then

3108
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:19,720
Speaker 4: just melt it down and sell it.

3109
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:21,000
Speaker 1: Luke, and that's how he became.

3110
02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:23,600
Speaker 2: I like how you turned that into theft and elderly abuse.

3111
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:27,960
Speaker 2: It might be a heart story of you know, other ways.

3112
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, she lost her first tooth. It was,

3113
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:31,720
Speaker 2: it was she was elated, it was cool.

3114
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 1: That is so awesome, Luke. Can't wait to rejoin with you.

3115
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:37,160
Speaker 1: Mike Keck was great today. By the way, shout out

3116
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 1: to that guy. Do you think he has disgusting internet history?

3117
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying really nice.

3118
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:41,320
Speaker 4: Things about Mike Kech, But do you think if we

3119
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:42,680
Speaker 4: looked closer we'd find something?

3120
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:44,880
Speaker 10: I mean, I think if you looked up, like what

3121
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 10: kind of porn he enjoys? It's probably appalling, But that's

3122
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:49,440
Speaker 10: true for a lot of us.

3123
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, family man, Luke is a

3124
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,000
Speaker 4: real nice guy, and he did.

3125
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 10: Those are all of the ones who are like you know, well,

3126
02:12:55,800 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 10: I won't even really get into it, but you.

3127
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:01,400
Speaker 4: Know, you know all right, Well, Luke, I'm gonna sign

3128
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:03,960
Speaker 4: off with you and then say goodbye, but thank you

3129
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 4: for joining us.

3130
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:05,320
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure.

3131
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:08,120
Speaker 4: Get home safely, and when you come back, bring it

3132
02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:10,800
Speaker 4: all right, all right, just with you.

3133
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:13,520
Speaker 10: Obviously, I'll be back on MK Studios on Monday, and

3134
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:16,040
Speaker 10: I think Chuck will be with me and we're gonna

3135
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 10: bang everyone with a big USC three or five review.

3136
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:21,160
Speaker 4: So that's gonna be so good. Can't wait to watch

3137
02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:24,040
Speaker 4: that remotely. Thank you, Luke Thomas. I'm saying goodbye to him.

3138
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:24,960
Speaker 4: I got one more thing.

3139
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:27,160
Speaker 1: To say to the people here. Thank you for joining

3140
02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:29,640
Speaker 1: us on today's Morning Combat. I appreciate you.

3141
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:33,000
Speaker 4: I will also be back after Luke, very refreshed and

3142
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,880
Speaker 4: ready to go and take this show on our continued

3143
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 4: plan to the next level. But the Long Island, Luke,

3144
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 4: are you there? Are you busy with Luke Thomas?

3145
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:41,680
Speaker 5: I'm here, man, how are we doing?

3146
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your support, your emotional support.

3147
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 4: I just wanted to announce it to the people that

3148
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 4: you know for weeks, months, days, hours and years. The

3149
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:50,840
Speaker 4: few of you that come here for you know, come

3150
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:53,560
Speaker 4: here for Luke, stay for BC. Though have been on

3151
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:55,680
Speaker 4: me about doing something and I didn't want to do

3152
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 4: it for many reasons. And I'm not gonna bore you

3153
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 4: with all those now, but I came around. So when

3154
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:05,040
Speaker 4: I get back from vacation, I'm gonna take this serious too.

3155
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:07,240
Speaker 4: It's now Luke's not gonna be the only one Gun's place.

3156
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:10,480
Speaker 4: And you want the Brian Campbell Experience YouTube channel.

3157
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 1: You got it, Yeah, you got it, You got it

3158
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 1: all right.

3159
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 4: A lot of art, a lot of weird art coming

3160
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 4: your way, all right, So stay tuned when I return.

3161
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:24,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't know if they're ready. I don't

3162
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:26,080
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready for this long island.

3163
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:30,200
Speaker 5: Luke BC about to take over MMA YouTube or.

3164
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 4: Maybe even box, maybe Life YouTube, maybe just YouTube. All right,

3165
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:35,320
Speaker 4: there it is right there, so hopefully the main card

3166
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:36,160
Speaker 4: min has continued.

3167
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:37,800
Speaker 1: Blessings and bong rips as well.

3168
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:41,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Luke special thanks again to Luke Thomas,

3169
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 4: Mike KEC. Thank you for watching and joining enjoy this

3170
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 4: UFC three h five fight.

3171
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:45,360
Speaker 1: Week.

3172
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:48,360
Speaker 4: Enjoy the fights on Saturday. Chuck and Luke will mix

3173
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:51,080
Speaker 4: it up next Monday. Take care of yourselves, guys up

3174
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:53,280
Speaker 4: here first. Okay, it's not selfish.

3175
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,320
Speaker 1: To take care of this first. You can do it,

3176
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:57,360
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get through this. Watch you'll see BC,

3177
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 1: we're out of here. Thank you,