WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Ieshia Jackson Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Oh School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Halloween night, October thirty first, twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old Ayisha Jackson was getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a party. Ayisha was braiding her hair and

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<v Speaker 2>getting into costume while talking to her mother, Laquita Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha and her girlfriends were doing a purge theme that night,

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<v Speaker 2>so they had hockey masks and slash shirts with fake

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<v Speaker 2>blood on them. Aisha is small in stature, only five

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<v Speaker 2>foot two and one hundred and fifteen pounds, but her

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<v Speaker 2>family said she could fill and light up a room,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when she danced, which she loved to do. Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>had a happy life. She lived in Eldaredo, Arkansas, just

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<v Speaker 2>a short distance away from her mother, her fifteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old brother, Jaiques, and the rest of her family. Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>lived on South Roslawn Avenue in Eldaredo, but because she

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of break ins at her home recently,

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<v Speaker 2>she was staying in her uncle's house. Her uncle, William

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<v Speaker 2>Parker Junior, is Laquita's brother. William and his wife, Shequila,

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<v Speaker 2>lived on the five hundred block of Stuart Avenue in Eldaredo,

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<v Speaker 2>which was just a few minutes away from Ayisha's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha had multiple cats and dogs at home, and she

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<v Speaker 2>took great care of all of her animals. Ayisha and

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<v Speaker 2>her mother were very close. They normally spoke several times

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<v Speaker 2>per day. So when Laquita did not hear from her

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<v Speaker 2>daughter at all on November first, by November second, she

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<v Speaker 2>was scared. So early that morning on November second, Liquita,

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend Freddie, and Ayisha's brother Jacques, jumped in their

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<v Speaker 2>car and headed to Ayisha's house on South Roselawn. When

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<v Speaker 2>the family got there, they could see immediately that something

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<v Speaker 2>was very wrong. Liquita went in and found her daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>stuff there, including her wallet and cell phone. One of

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's dogs was out running around, which was very unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>The place kind of looked like she had just stepped

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<v Speaker 2>out for a few minutes, but Aisha never came back home.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years of making

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<v Speaker 2>On that car ride over to Ayisha's apartment, jack Wu

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<v Speaker 2>said he was hoping that he would walk in and

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<v Speaker 2>just see his sister there, and that the reason they

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't heard from her was maybe just a prank by

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<v Speaker 2>his sister, or maybe a misunderstanding, maybe her phone had died.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as Ayisha's brother walked in, he knew that

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<v Speaker 2>something was very wrong. He noticed that Ayisha's door was

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<v Speaker 2>unlocked and a little bit cracked open.

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<v Speaker 3>My mother had already said that she had a bad feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>I never, you know, knew you know, too much of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And under my impression my sister is at home, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to go over with my sister. You know, when

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<v Speaker 3>I walked up the stairs, I was happy. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to see my sister. You know, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>left job around, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we when I walked up the stairs and

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed.

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<v Speaker 3>That I could see something was wrong, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to think that, you know what I'm saying. But then

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<v Speaker 3>I looked down down the stairs. Their mama how to

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<v Speaker 3>open and she not in there. How house was ramshaped.

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<v Speaker 3>My sister did not like that. She had to twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eaware house like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside, Jacques said, the house looked like it had been ransacked,

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<v Speaker 2>but on closer inspection, some of Ayisha's family members believed

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<v Speaker 2>that the scene looked kind of staged, like someone had

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<v Speaker 2>come in and pretended they were trying to rob the place,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't really take anything. Things were thrown around,

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<v Speaker 2>but only superficially, and everything of value was still in

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment. Ayisha's purse was lying out in the open

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<v Speaker 2>on her bed, her phone was plugged into the charger

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<v Speaker 2>in the living room, and her animals were all fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually Ayisha would make sure to feed her dogs, take

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<v Speaker 2>them out, and put them all in their kennels when

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<v Speaker 2>she left, but one was out, which Jacques said was

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<v Speaker 2>highly unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>Picture of clean house. Right, you got a reclowner, You

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<v Speaker 3>got a black couch, and you have like a little

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<v Speaker 3>end table. It's in like in the middle of the room.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have like a regular queen sized bed

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<v Speaker 3>with a tall dresser, tall black dresser, and on top

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<v Speaker 3>of that you have clothes and all those dressers. You

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<v Speaker 3>have a TV on top of that dresser as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And everything is clean. Nothing is on the floor. You

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<v Speaker 3>have blankets and stuff like that. Everything is put up.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a dog cage and.

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<v Speaker 4>All of that.

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<v Speaker 3>The bathroom and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is cleaned up and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know how your sister is, especially when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes down.

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<v Speaker 1>To your animals.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not going to beat her animals with two long

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<v Speaker 3>She either had somebody to be over there and check

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<v Speaker 3>up on the animals or something. Dog is out the

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<v Speaker 3>page and running around. Her animals is loose. None of

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<v Speaker 3>her personal items has took it. But you know that

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<v Speaker 3>this is not the way your sister would have left

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<v Speaker 3>her house. Her phone was neatly placed on the couch

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<v Speaker 3>on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Tasure, Her herds were on the table.

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<v Speaker 3>Her brother was on the table alone with her medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so her medicine was there too, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So Dan, this is where it gives you a clear

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<v Speaker 3>idea that that's the first ideal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, something got.

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<v Speaker 3>To be wrong, because she's not just gonna leave her

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<v Speaker 3>personal stuff. You're not gonna leave a while that phone

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<v Speaker 3>in their prayer going go here? Where'd she go?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Aisha was a young woman who had recently gotten

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<v Speaker 2>out of a long term relationship, of course police started

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate the men in her life. Jacques told me

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<v Speaker 2>that he went over and talked with Ayisha's long term

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<v Speaker 2>ex boyfriend, the one she had been with for years

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<v Speaker 2>and recently broken up with. Jacques said, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the long term ex was extremely upset, cooperated completely with

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement, helped search for Aisha, and to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>has never been mentioned as a potential person of interest

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<v Speaker 2>in this case. Aisha had been on dates with a

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<v Speaker 2>few different people in the weeks before she went missing.

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<v Speaker 2>She was being a normal twenty two year old young woman,

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<v Speaker 2>not rushing to jump into a serious relationship after getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of one, living in her own place and enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>her life. And one guy who she did casually date

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<v Speaker 2>was a twenty three year old man named Samaji. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the police report, and according to this document, Samaji

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<v Speaker 2>and Aisha had been dating, but that changed in the

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<v Speaker 2>days leading up to her being reported missing. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>anytime you have anyone who has recently ended a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>and they go missing. Of course, you have to take

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<v Speaker 2>a hard look at.

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<v Speaker 1>All of their exes.

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<v Speaker 2>But contrary to what's been reported in some of the

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<v Speaker 2>media I've seen, when I talked to Ayisha's family and friends,

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<v Speaker 2>they say that her relationship with Samaji was not full

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<v Speaker 2>of drama or serious or anything like that, that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a casual relationship. Basically to their knowledge, they just

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<v Speaker 2>hung out a few times. On October twenty third, just

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<v Speaker 2>a week before Aha and went missing, someone broke into

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's house. Now, Ayisha's grandmother, Ernestine, told a local news

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<v Speaker 2>station that Ayisha and Samaji had recently ended things, and

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<v Speaker 2>she also told the reporter something else that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of alarming. Ernestine said, Aisha told her that she had

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<v Speaker 2>come home and seen men breaking into her house. And

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<v Speaker 2>not only that, Ernestine said, Aisha knew who these men were.

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<v Speaker 2>There were actually two incidents. So the first incident, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Ernestine, Ayisha came home and saw that someone had

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<v Speaker 2>broken in her house.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the second time she came home.

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<v Speaker 2>Ernestine said that Aisha walked in the house, saw two

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<v Speaker 2>guys actually in there, and recognized one of them as Samaji.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently Aisha call the police. The two men fled the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Ernestine said that Samaji was quote one of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that Ayisha identified is breaking into her home. She was

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<v Speaker 2>already in the house when he came in there on her.

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<v Speaker 2>He explained this to us. She told us this ute. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say that other members of Ayisha's family who

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<v Speaker 2>have spoken to have questions about whether that conversation happened

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<v Speaker 2>that way and whether Samaji actually was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>men who was allegedly in Aisha's home that day, But

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<v Speaker 2>we will get to that in next week's episode. After

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<v Speaker 2>the break in, Ayisha's name was added to the police

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<v Speaker 2>patrol list, which means she was supposed to have a

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<v Speaker 2>patrol car drive by her home at regular intervals. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>because of that break in, Aisha was staying with her uncle,

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<v Speaker 2>Liquita's brother William and his wife Shequila. When Aisha went missing,

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<v Speaker 2>the case made local news. And remember this was during COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot of people were stuck at home watching

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of TV. In November of twenty twenty, an

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<v Speaker 2>old high school friend of Liquita's named Rina Borden saw

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<v Speaker 2>that Aisha was missing. Rena will get a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>involved with this case. Later on November second, after Ayisha's

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<v Speaker 2>mother and brother left her apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>They called the police immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>The police told Luquida that she had to wait forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours before her daughter could be reported missing. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm bringing this up because the elder rated police department

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<v Speaker 2>have made statements to other people saying this was not

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<v Speaker 2>the case and that's not their policy. I'm really mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>this because I think it is so crucial for everyone

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that is not the law, that is not

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<v Speaker 2>the rule. You do not have to wait twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight seventy two hours to report someone missing. So

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<v Speaker 2>if the police tell you that, stand your ground and

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<v Speaker 2>demand that they do it immediately. It's very important. Police

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<v Speaker 2>did not immediately seem to be treating Ayisha's house as

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<v Speaker 2>a crime scene, and her family said they couldn't understand this. Granted,

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha is above legal age, but why would a young

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<v Speaker 2>woman leave all of her stuff, herself, her purse, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else at home and just walk out the door,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving it unlocked. Ayisha's mother also pointed out that Ayisha

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<v Speaker 2>had medical conditions, medical conditions that meant that she needed

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<v Speaker 2>daily medication. And she had also left all of her

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<v Speaker 2>medication behind. But after a few days police did start

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<v Speaker 2>the search for Aisha. Captain Harwell the elder Ated Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department said police conducted multiple searches on foot, with drones

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<v Speaker 2>and with all terrain vehicles. Police also told reporters they

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<v Speaker 2>had cadaver dogs looking for Aisha on at least two

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<v Speaker 2>different occasions.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks went by and there were no arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Harwell said the department had multiple items of evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that would require submission to the Arkansas State Crime Lab

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<v Speaker 2>for processing, which really does not tell us much and

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what those items were or.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were given any kind of priority.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that in the Arkansas State Crime Lab

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<v Speaker 2>if something is not a homicide, there have been serious

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<v Speaker 2>backlogs with evidence testing in the past. Of course, once

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<v Speaker 2>the case made the news, the police and the family

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<v Speaker 2>did get some false leads. The family got several tips,

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<v Speaker 2>including someone that told them Ayisha may be buried in

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<v Speaker 2>a shallow grave in a cemetery near Strong, Arkansas. Police

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<v Speaker 2>from the Union County Sheriff's Office responded to that scene

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<v Speaker 2>with Ayisha's family. They went out there and searched in

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<v Speaker 2>those Woods, but in the end they didn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in December of twenty twenty, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>there were two arrests. And this is a strange set

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<v Speaker 2>of circumstances how this all played out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like it's been reported.

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<v Speaker 2>On a lot, and we're going to go a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more in depth into exactly what went down with these arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, one of the men arrested was Samaji, the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three year old man whom Ayisha had dated. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>this seemed like it could be a huge break in

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<v Speaker 2>the case. Samaji was brought up on charges of capital murder, kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 2>and an enhanced penalty for engaging in criminal group activity.

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<v Speaker 2>This was weird though, because after the arrest, police said

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<v Speaker 2>they still hope to find Ayisha alive.

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<v Speaker 1>So this seems contradictory.

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<v Speaker 2>They're charging someone potentially with capital murder, yet they still

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<v Speaker 2>hoped to find her alive. Then there was another twist

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<v Speaker 2>in the case. News broke that another man had been arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>forty six year old Kenneth Lee. Liquita said Kenneth Lee

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<v Speaker 2>had contacted Aisha's uncle, William, and allegedly told him if

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<v Speaker 2>the family gave him eight thousand dollars he would give

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<v Speaker 2>them information about where Ayisha was.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out this was all just a big scam.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth was allegedly basically blackmailing the family and had no

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<v Speaker 2>information about Aisha, which of course was heartbreaking to her family.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually the charges against Kenneth were dropped as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it was very interesting here because from the statements

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<v Speaker 2>that Captain Harwell was making, he said, the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>making further arrests is quite possible. We may have another

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<v Speaker 2>person involved. It really seemed like police were leaning into

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<v Speaker 2>a potential theory that there might be multiple arrests or

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<v Speaker 2>that Samaji could face more charges. Another interesting point is

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<v Speaker 2>even though Samaji and Kenneth were arrested pretty much at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, initially it seemed like there was zero

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<v Speaker 2>connection between them.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not appear that they knew each other at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm flagging this up because, as you'll see in

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<v Speaker 2>next week's episode, William Samagi and Kenneth and how this

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<v Speaker 2>whole scenario played out has not really been reported on

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<v Speaker 2>and is actually fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Be patient with me.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a real time investigation, and so I am

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<v Speaker 2>looking into that right now, and I will be giving

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<v Speaker 2>you more details going back to to these arrests. After

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<v Speaker 2>the arrest of Samaji, especially, most people in the community

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<v Speaker 2>believe police were moving forward. And I can see why

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<v Speaker 2>they would think that the victim's ex was arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>It was someone she was involved with.

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<v Speaker 2>Intimately, police have filed potential capital murder charges, so people

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<v Speaker 2>were thinking, well, the police must have evidence. But then

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<v Speaker 2>one month went by, and then two months police had

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<v Speaker 2>still not charged Samaji.

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<v Speaker 1>And again Kenneth.

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<v Speaker 2>The second guy, seemed to be a scammer, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with Ayesha's disappearance. Samaji's defense attorney

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<v Speaker 2>filed in order to have him released from custody. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that in Arkansas, formal charges had to be filed

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<v Speaker 2>within sixty days of an arrest. So in February of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, police released Samaji and he walked out

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<v Speaker 2>a freeman. At the time, Captain Harwell told the media

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<v Speaker 2>that police just didn't feel they had enough evidence to prosecute.

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<v Speaker 2>He said they would prefer to wait until they had

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<v Speaker 2>more rather than moving forward and risking a loss in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Reporters did ask Captain Harwell if he felt like they

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<v Speaker 2>had made the arrest too quickly, but he said he

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<v Speaker 2>believed the police made the right choice. What he mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that he had as his ammunition to get the arrest

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<v Speaker 2>was witness statements.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get more into that later too.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly who these witness statements were made by and why

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<v Speaker 2>this went down this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's just speculation.

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<v Speaker 2>But my guess is that after they arrested Samaji, police

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they really might have their guy, and if

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<v Speaker 2>he had done something to di Aisha, potentially they could

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<v Speaker 2>apply pressure to him and figure out where Ayisha's body was.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Harwell basically said that he told the media that

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<v Speaker 2>the main reason that they were unable to prosecute is

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<v Speaker 2>because they did not have a body. They had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea where Ayisha might be, and they were looking for

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<v Speaker 2>help from the public. So the police were openly admitting

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<v Speaker 2>they had no idea where Ayisha was. So months went

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<v Speaker 2>by and months became years. In twenty twenty two, Laquita's

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<v Speaker 2>high school friend, Rena Borden, the same one who had

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<v Speaker 2>seen the news report back in twenty twenty, came into

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<v Speaker 2>the story. Like many people, she remembered seeing the item

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<v Speaker 2>on the news about Ayisha being missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she remembered seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Something on the news about the arrest, so she assumed

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<v Speaker 2>the police were making progress. When Rena saw on social

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<v Speaker 2>media there were still no suspects, she reached out to Laquita.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, she said she had no idea how

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<v Speaker 2>much this case would consume her life.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't get involved until like September of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 5>And the reason I got involved was because I had

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<v Speaker 5>gone to eat at a restaurant here in town and

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<v Speaker 5>they had a flower of Ayisha, just like a Facebook

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<v Speaker 5>print out. They didn't really have very information on there,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was just like, oh my gosh, they might

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<v Speaker 5>need some help. I could get flyers and print them

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<v Speaker 5>and distribute them. That's something I could do, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>And that's really all I had the intentions of doing.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't even reach out to Laquito. I went straight

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<v Speaker 5>to the police department and I was just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>just wanted to ask if it was all right if

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<v Speaker 5>I could pass out flyers to local businesses because I

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<v Speaker 5>noticed there wasn't any up And the receptionist went back

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<v Speaker 5>to the Captain's office and then came back. He said,

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<v Speaker 5>be his guest go ahead, and I was like, can

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<v Speaker 5>you give me the flyer to make a coffee or

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<v Speaker 5>do something? And she said, just the one online, I'll do,

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's what I did. I printed up a

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<v Speaker 5>bunch of them and started passing them out, and I

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<v Speaker 5>was looking for Laquita as well, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get a hold of the mother, just because I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>want her to think. I was wanted to touch base

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<v Speaker 5>with her and say, is it's okay, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>else would you like me to do? Do you want

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<v Speaker 5>me to bring you dinner? You know, something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I decided to play a vigil and then that's

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<v Speaker 5>when I brought Joanna.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joanna is a friend of Rena's. Together they started

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<v Speaker 2>printing flyers and trying to help Luquet up get some

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<v Speaker 2>clarity on what was going on with her daughter's case.

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<v Speaker 2>When Rena started to research the case and saw the

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's flyers that were already out there, she noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that most of them said a Usha had been seen

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<v Speaker 2>on the night of November fourth, but she said she

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<v Speaker 2>knew that this was just not true.

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<v Speaker 5>We had a meeting and Lookquita came. She remembered me

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<v Speaker 5>from school, so that took a lot of the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't a total stranger to her or anything. And

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<v Speaker 5>during the meeting, she was trying to address the fact

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<v Speaker 5>of the date her daughter went missing, and of course

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<v Speaker 5>me and Joanna's ears are all parked up, and nobody

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<v Speaker 5>else seemed to like kicked on.

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<v Speaker 4>So we knew something was wrong because I was just

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<v Speaker 4>casually reading the flower out loud and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so she was last seen November fourth, and someone had

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<v Speaker 4>chimed in and they we were like, well, actually it

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<v Speaker 4>was October thirty first, like with wow, like and it

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<v Speaker 4>was just awkward for a second. So we're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Rina and Liquita started to wonder if the day Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>went missing was wrong after two years, what else could

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<v Speaker 2>have potentially slipped through the cracks, and why was the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong date continuing to be reported. I went back and

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<v Speaker 2>tried to figure this out. I've seen the police report,

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<v Speaker 2>which has a record of Aisha calling to report that

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<v Speaker 2>break in on the twenty third of October, and on

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<v Speaker 2>that report, the officer wrote down that the last time

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in her family had seen her was November fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't note who told him that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go way more in depth about this next week,

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<v Speaker 2>because figuring out this timeline is a crucial part of

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<v Speaker 2>this story. But it turns out that that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's family met meers tell me no one has seen

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<v Speaker 2>Nisha in person since October thirty first, Rena said when

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<v Speaker 2>she started printing the flyers, she found out because of

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<v Speaker 2>this misinformation, she believed that there was not a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of public urgency. Rena has spent almost two years now

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<v Speaker 2>trying to help her friend.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not an investigator, I'm not an attorney, I'm not anything.

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<v Speaker 5>But I can be a friend, and you know, at

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<v Speaker 5>least get her out of the house, because I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>how does she sit in that house all this that's

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<v Speaker 5>got to be miserable, and then not getting any answers.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody will call her back to let her know what's

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<v Speaker 5>going on with her daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a son that's around the same.

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<v Speaker 5>Age, yeah, yeah, and I do have a Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 5>son's big part of it too. My son went to

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<v Speaker 5>school with Ayisha, So yeah, that hit me hard. So

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<v Speaker 5>I would take her to lunch, and she was so

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<v Speaker 5>upset about that. The date on those flyers and so

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<v Speaker 5>I just realized nobody's listening to this mom, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I just said, why don't you just sit down one

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<v Speaker 5>day and just tell me the story. You know, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>listen to you tell me the story. And so she

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<v Speaker 5>told me the story, and I email the prior captain

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<v Speaker 5>at the time that was on the case and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>Liquita is correct. You know October thirty first is the

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<v Speaker 5>right day. And I sent an email of where I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>well can you change it then? And that he says

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<v Speaker 5>he can't change it because something about he can't make

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<v Speaker 5>changes to our report once they're made.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to make sure that Ayusha's family, her

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<v Speaker 2>mother and her brother are heard and that we have

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<v Speaker 2>the correct information about this timeline. So what happened between

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<v Speaker 2>October thirty first, twenty twenty and November fourth, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to how will weeen?

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<v Speaker 1>Night?

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<v Speaker 2>On October thirty first, twenty twenty, between one and two pm,

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<v Speaker 2>Liquita went over to her brother's house where Ayisha had

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<v Speaker 2>been staying. She was there to drop off some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for Aisha.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha was staying with William and Shequila at their home.

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<v Speaker 2>My source tells me that there were some other family

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<v Speaker 2>members there at the time. It was Halloween and Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>was heading out with some girlfriends. Her aunt, Shaquila and

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<v Speaker 2>William were also going with them. Ayisha's mother was babysitting

0:23:34.445 --> 0:23:38.205
<v Speaker 2>William and Shaquilla's two young sons, who were elementary school age,

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<v Speaker 2>so Liaquita and William and Shaquilla's kids went back to Liquita's.

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha got ready and got into her costume, the Purge

0:23:48.605 --> 0:23:51.765
<v Speaker 2>costume that she and her girlfriend Shenis and Serenity had

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<v Speaker 2>kind of di wide. They had the slashed white T

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<v Speaker 2>shirts and they'd kind of splashed them with either red

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<v Speaker 2>paint or fake blood.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of them had hockey masks on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a lot of questions about exactly what

0:24:05.205 --> 0:24:07.325
<v Speaker 2>happen that night, but we can fill in some of

0:24:07.325 --> 0:24:13.085
<v Speaker 2>the gaps. We know that at some point the women Aisha, Shenie, Serenity,

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<v Speaker 2>and Shaquila, Aisha's aunt, stopped by the Go Rainbow Food Mark,

0:24:18.405 --> 0:24:21.845
<v Speaker 2>a convenience store located on Junction City Road in Elddo

0:24:22.965 --> 0:24:26.085
<v Speaker 2>we know this because someone took a picture of them there.

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<v Speaker 2>People have told me this could have been taken by William,

0:24:29.845 --> 0:24:31.965
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's uncle, but we don't know for sure.

0:24:32.045 --> 0:24:33.405
<v Speaker 1>That's not confirmed.

0:24:33.765 --> 0:24:36.605
<v Speaker 2>Either way, though these women looked like they were having

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<v Speaker 2>a good time and ready for a fun night out.

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<v Speaker 2>The photo, by the way, was later posted on Ayisha's

0:24:42.805 --> 0:24:47.085
<v Speaker 2>aunt Shaquila's Facebook page. At around ten pm that night,

0:24:47.165 --> 0:24:49.525
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's brother Jaiques facetimed her.

0:24:50.005 --> 0:24:50.285
<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Rena, Aisha told Jaques during that phone conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that she was on her way to a Halloween party

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<v Speaker 2>at a bar called The Wheel in Camden, but that

0:25:01.005 --> 0:25:04.925
<v Speaker 2>again has not been confirmed. The bar has apparently claimed

0:25:04.965 --> 0:25:08.605
<v Speaker 2>they were on Halloween night. I have some questions about this.

0:25:08.725 --> 0:25:11.605
<v Speaker 2>Remember this is during COVID and a lot of unofficial

0:25:11.645 --> 0:25:15.765
<v Speaker 2>parties were taking place around town. One of Ayisha's friends

0:25:15.765 --> 0:25:17.525
<v Speaker 2>said that they did go there that night and that

0:25:17.565 --> 0:25:22.445
<v Speaker 2>they were dancing. Ayisha apparently wasn't really dancing with anyone specific.

0:25:23.485 --> 0:25:26.885
<v Speaker 2>They had a good time and the night wound down.

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<v Speaker 2>After going separate ways from her girlfriends, Ayisha headed back

0:25:31.445 --> 0:25:34.525
<v Speaker 2>to the five hundred block of Stuart Avenue, where William

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<v Speaker 2>and Shaquilla lived and where Ayisha had been staying. They

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<v Speaker 2>got there at around two to three am.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One of Ayisha's girlfriends said that William and Shaquilla were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a trip to Houston they were going to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they were going to Houston the next day, and

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<v Speaker 2>they asked this friend of Ayisha's to go with them.

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<v Speaker 2>She claims she said she didn't want to go, but

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Aisha may have wanted to go with them. Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>had previously asked her mom about going to Houston with

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<v Speaker 2>William and Shaquilla. Laqueta told Aisha she didn't need to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, that would basically be too much for her. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly they were taking this trip to move furniture. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>William and Shaquilla were moving out of an apartment in Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed to get the furniture that was in the

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<v Speaker 2>apartment out of there and into a nearby storage unit.

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<v Speaker 2>This story in itself is a little strange to me

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<v Speaker 2>because a why would they go to move furniture in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night, and b why would they

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<v Speaker 2>take a tiny girl to help them do it. So

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<v Speaker 2>now it's the next morning, November first, between six and

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<v Speaker 2>seven am, Liqueta calls Ayisha. Ayisha doesn't answer her cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>so Liquita calls her brother, William. She asks William where

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha is. William tells Liquita that Ayisha is asleep. Laquita

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<v Speaker 2>tries to call Ayisha several more times throughout that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Ayisha never picked up.

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<v Speaker 2>This was highly unusual because Ayisha always picked up call

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<v Speaker 2>from her mom. At some point, Shaquilla came to pick

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<v Speaker 2>up her two sons, the ones who Liquita was babysitting

0:27:11.205 --> 0:27:14.685
<v Speaker 2>at that time. Liquita said she asked Shaquilla when she

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<v Speaker 2>last saw Ayisha. Shaquilla told her that she had dropped

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<v Speaker 2>her off at home the day before and had not

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<v Speaker 2>seen or heard from her since. Now this was a

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<v Speaker 2>red flag because, she says, when she talked to William,

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<v Speaker 2>he told her he dropped Ayisha off at home. Now

0:27:32.965 --> 0:27:36.085
<v Speaker 2>she seemed to understand Shaquilla was saying she had dropped

0:27:36.085 --> 0:27:41.645
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha off. That day, Laqueta kept calling her daughter's phone.

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<v Speaker 2>She was blowing up Ayisha's phone, but the phone just

0:27:45.405 --> 0:27:50.205
<v Speaker 2>kept ringing out, and each time she called her brother William,

0:27:50.725 --> 0:27:54.405
<v Speaker 2>he tells Liquita, Ayisha's sleeping, or she's in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>or her phone is dead. Liquita was never able to

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<v Speaker 2>connect with Ayisha that day. Finally, at around nine pm,

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<v Speaker 2>William answers the phone again, this time Hell's Aquita that

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<v Speaker 2>they have been back from Houston, Texas for a while,

0:28:09.125 --> 0:28:12.045
<v Speaker 2>and that he had dropped Ayisha off at home. He

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<v Speaker 2>meant the one she had recently rented on Roselin Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have questions about that again. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>is it reasonable to believe that between three am and

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<v Speaker 2>nine pm the next night that William and Shaquilla and

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha had driven to Houston, which is about a five

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<v Speaker 2>to six hour drive and back and had time to

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<v Speaker 2>move furniture. I mean, I guess theoretically it's possible, but

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<v Speaker 2>even with no sleep, that is a stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, again, why would they.

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<v Speaker 2>Be taking a five foot two young woman to help

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<v Speaker 2>move this furniture in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>So to the public, everybody thought that she had done

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<v Speaker 5>to help her uncle moved furniture. A ninety pound twenty

0:28:57.445 --> 0:29:00.965
<v Speaker 5>two year old female went to go help move furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on, it seems like William and shaquilleb said that

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<v Speaker 2>they had both dropped Ayisha off together. And I guess

0:29:10.805 --> 0:29:14.485
<v Speaker 2>it's possible that Liquita mis heard, but as a mother,

0:29:14.805 --> 0:29:17.605
<v Speaker 2>she had instinct with these things, and these discrepancies in

0:29:17.645 --> 0:29:19.805
<v Speaker 2>the beginning can be extremely crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to be clarified now.

0:29:24.485 --> 0:29:28.205
<v Speaker 2>The police have stated publicly that Ayisha did go with

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<v Speaker 2>her family to Texas and that they have confirmed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain prim said quote started doing some background, found out

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<v Speaker 2>that she had gone to Texas, supposed to have been

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<v Speaker 2>with a family member. We confirmed she did go to

0:29:41.045 --> 0:29:45.485
<v Speaker 2>Texas end quote. But some of Ayisha's family members wonder

0:29:45.525 --> 0:29:48.285
<v Speaker 2>if that's true. They wonder if Ayisha ever made it

0:29:48.325 --> 0:29:53.685
<v Speaker 2>to Houston at all. Liquita has said that Captain Harwell

0:29:53.805 --> 0:29:56.965
<v Speaker 2>told her that he could not verify that Ayosha went

0:29:57.005 --> 0:30:00.485
<v Speaker 2>to Texas. Rina had a conversation with him in November

0:30:00.485 --> 0:30:03.405
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty two. He told her the same thing,

0:30:03.525 --> 0:30:06.845
<v Speaker 2>that police could not confirm that Ayisha had been to Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to reach out to the police to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they have any comment on this timeline, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go a lot more into.

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<v Speaker 1>Depth on this next week. Bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of Ayisha's family members wonder if she ever left Arkansas.

0:30:26.405 --> 0:30:29.725
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's brother, Jacques has spoken out very publicly on his

0:30:29.765 --> 0:30:32.565
<v Speaker 2>sister's behalf. He has brought up a lot of things

0:30:32.605 --> 0:30:35.085
<v Speaker 2>he says he just does not understand about this investigation.

0:30:35.805 --> 0:30:39.965
<v Speaker 2>He has openly voiced his suspicion of Ayisha's aunt, Shaquilla

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<v Speaker 2>and her uncle William. Jacques said alarm bells started going

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<v Speaker 2>off for him the moment he pulled into his sister's

0:30:47.445 --> 0:30:52.325
<v Speaker 2>driveway on November two. Shaquilla was right behind them with

0:30:52.365 --> 0:30:56.445
<v Speaker 2>her stepdaughter in the car, and Jacques wondered, how did

0:30:56.485 --> 0:30:59.685
<v Speaker 2>she get there so fast? Did she already know that

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<v Speaker 2>something was wrong. Jacques later said that he believed that

0:31:04.405 --> 0:31:08.765
<v Speaker 2>his aunt had been very dramatic, maybe almost overly emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>and after the family went to the police and the

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<v Speaker 2>searches started, Jacques said he started to get more and

0:31:16.165 --> 0:31:22.325
<v Speaker 2>more suspicious, especially after Somaji was arrested and released. Eventually,

0:31:22.645 --> 0:31:27.045
<v Speaker 2>the relationship between Jacques, Shaquilla, and William got more and

0:31:27.125 --> 0:31:31.685
<v Speaker 2>more strained. So your suspicions about Shaquila and her husband happened,

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<v Speaker 2>was that because because the way they were acting, they

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<v Speaker 2>just weren't acting, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>In the middle.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Chak the rockers time to contribute it. I

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<v Speaker 5>think that his job moved.

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<v Speaker 3>In the middle of an investigation, right, So why I mean,

0:31:45.925 --> 0:31:47.125
<v Speaker 3>why do I mean, why do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Why move? So they moved in the middle of it literally,

0:31:53.525 --> 0:31:54.605
<v Speaker 2>they was in Houston.

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<v Speaker 3>They moved to Houston, and they was up there in Houston,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's to verify and death factual. From what I

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<v Speaker 3>know is from when they was going up there to

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<v Speaker 3>view furniture. On the way up there, they already had

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<v Speaker 3>knew that no furniture was in that apartment. The furniture

0:32:11.125 --> 0:32:15.085
<v Speaker 3>was already stolen, so there was no furniture.

0:32:14.645 --> 0:32:15.485
<v Speaker 1>In that apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>So the trip to Houston was to go up there

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<v Speaker 3>to get the furniture out of the apartment and take

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<v Speaker 3>it to a storage unit. Okay, they never had took note,

0:32:25.285 --> 0:32:27.765
<v Speaker 3>they never got your no furniture up there because there

0:32:27.845 --> 0:32:30.805
<v Speaker 3>was no furniture in the apartment and when the police asked,

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<v Speaker 3>they gave a fast location.

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<v Speaker 1>So for where they were supposedly living.

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<v Speaker 4>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>What Jacques was saying there was that his uncle and

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<v Speaker 2>Shaquilla allegedly gave police a fake address in Houston. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's true, how could that not raise red flags? Now, again,

0:32:49.965 --> 0:32:53.445
<v Speaker 2>this is something that Jacques claims. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's true. The police have never mentioned Shaquilla or William

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<v Speaker 2>as people of interest out all in this investigation. They

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<v Speaker 2>completely deny they had anything to do with Ayesha's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Just want to make that clear. But again, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to go back to the timeline. Did Ayisha actually

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<v Speaker 2>leave Arkansas and go to Houston? This is a crucial point,

0:33:15.725 --> 0:33:21.205
<v Speaker 2>something we need to figure out. So let's go back

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<v Speaker 2>for a minute and talk about Ayisha's phone. As we

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<v Speaker 2>said before, the phone was left at Ayisha's apartment, but shockingly,

0:33:29.605 --> 0:33:31.845
<v Speaker 2>the police did not immediately take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't get this.

0:33:33.565 --> 0:33:36.405
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ayisha had called the police multiple times to

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<v Speaker 2>report break ins. She had been put on the patrol list,

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<v Speaker 2>so I really don't get why there was not immediate

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<v Speaker 2>alarm when her apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Was found like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, Jacques said, Shaquila took Ayisha's phone. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>according to Jaques, this was because Shaquilla apparently thought that

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<v Speaker 2>her son he might be able to figure out the password.

0:33:58.805 --> 0:34:02.405
<v Speaker 2>But Laquita said in the end her family members told

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<v Speaker 2>her they could not get into the phone, they couldn't

0:34:04.725 --> 0:34:08.085
<v Speaker 2>guess the password. Eventually the phone was given to police,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was several days after Ayisha went missing. I

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<v Speaker 2>have also heard rumors that Aisha sent text messages on

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<v Speaker 2>November tewod I wanted to get to the bottom of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Rena said that she had discussed this with Captain Harwell,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently he told her that this came from one

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<v Speaker 2>of Ayisha's relatives supposedly receiving a text from Ayisha after

0:34:34.885 --> 0:34:38.565
<v Speaker 2>November second, and her grandmother potentially getting a FaceTime call,

0:34:39.605 --> 0:34:42.805
<v Speaker 2>and there were supposedly posts on Facebook related to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to track down those Facebook posts because figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out when those calls took place and if anyone actually

0:34:50.925 --> 0:34:54.645
<v Speaker 2>saw or heard Aisha would seem to be a crucial

0:34:54.685 --> 0:34:56.405
<v Speaker 2>piece of data we need to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Harwell.

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<v Speaker 2>The Elderrated Police Department released a statement asking the public

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<v Speaker 2>to come forward with information. He said, quote, what we

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<v Speaker 2>need at this time is for people to come forward

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<v Speaker 2>and tell us what they know. People don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved, people are scared of retaliation.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand part of this because, as we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>into in more detail next week, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are potentially connected to this case do.

0:35:26.245 --> 0:35:28.125
<v Speaker 1>Have criminal backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want everyone out there to think about

0:35:31.765 --> 0:35:35.165
<v Speaker 2>this mother, this brother, this family. Imagine if it were

0:35:35.205 --> 0:35:37.605
<v Speaker 2>your daughter who had vanished without a trace, and you

0:35:37.645 --> 0:35:40.805
<v Speaker 2>had no idea what happened. I know that you would

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<v Speaker 2>want someone to come forward. We need for someone to

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<v Speaker 2>come forward with information. Anyone with any information can call

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<v Speaker 2>the Elderrated Police Department at eight seven oh eight eight

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<v Speaker 2>one four eight one to oh. We are going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going on this case next week. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to find out if Ayisha ever actually left

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas and made it to Houston, and if she did,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the proof of that. We also want to track

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<v Speaker 2>down and try our best to answer the question of

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<v Speaker 2>whether there were texts and or calls from Ayisha's phone

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<v Speaker 2>made after October thirty. First, this could give us more

0:36:18.845 --> 0:36:23.405
<v Speaker 2>information about where Ayisha was headed. Or if the conclusion

0:36:23.485 --> 0:36:26.885
<v Speaker 2>leads us to believe Ayisha might have met with foul play,

0:36:26.965 --> 0:36:29.805
<v Speaker 2>then we need to be asking a different question. If

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha was not alive after October thirty, first, who sent

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<v Speaker 2>those text messages from her phone?

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