1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, beautiful on the inside and out, 2 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: her whole life in front of her, loved and loving, 3 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: had a family that adored and adores her. Why was 4 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: a gorgeous, sweet, brilliant, wonderful girl she's twenty five years old, 5 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: brutally murdered in her sleep? And why is this guy 6 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: set to walk free? That is what I want to 7 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: know today. I'm talking about a gorgeous young girl, Nicole Sincole. 8 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 9 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM 10 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our 11 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: cut eight. This is Brail of at ABC ten. In 12 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and five, twenty five year old Nicole Sincooley 13 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: was murdered in her sleep. Her boyfriend, Eric Marram was 14 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: convicted of hitting her more than a dozen times with 15 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: a hammer. Devastated and Claudie and I went over to 16 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the department afterwards and we saw the area that had 17 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: happened in Claudia felt her knees. Marm was sentenced to 18 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: sixteen years to life. Now, sixteen years later, he's in 19 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: fulsome state prison awaiting his fate. The murderer is planning 20 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: you settle in Sacramento. What part of Sacramento we don't know. 21 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: So right now he's in Falsom prison and we've talked 22 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to the vice mayor of Falesom City to let her know. 23 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This described stories. Thank you for being 24 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: with us before I introduced to you are all star 25 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know now, including 26 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: the detective on duty the night of Nicole's murder, her 27 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: family joining us, the San Diego County Deputy District attorney 28 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: joining us. I want to first go to Nicole's sister, Danetta. Danetta, 29 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: tell me how it is affecting you, the thought that 30 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: your sisters killer could walk free. It gives me anxiety 31 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: and insomnia. I don't sleep well. He came to my 32 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: house an hour and a half before he murdered my 33 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: sister and earlier that week, so I'm definitely fearful from 34 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: my life. I know he came to kill me those 35 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: two times if he had this plan, so he knew 36 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: how close we were, he knew our relationships, So yeah, 37 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm very afraid. Why do you believe he came to 38 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: your house not once, but twice? He started trying to 39 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: isolate her from me because we were so so close. 40 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: He told her at one point, your sister doesn't love you. 41 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: She's just trying to play the big sister. And she 42 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: told me that, and he knew how. You know, we 43 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: we were two peas in a pod. And I think 44 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: he just wanted to get me away from her because 45 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: then I guess he would have her all to himself 46 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and it could break down, like, you know, some of 47 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: her strength and her willpowers would I think. And doctor 48 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz joining me, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior 49 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: and Where a law and psychology intersect got to Sherry, 50 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: that is a stereotypical hallmark part of the battered women's syndrome. 51 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: You isolate the victim from friends and family that would say, hey, 52 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: you got to get away from this guy. This guy's crazy, 53 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: this guy's evil. You see, the victim isolated from people 54 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: like Danetta, Nicole's sister. Well, that's absolutely right, because that's 55 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: how they gain control. They want to be the only 56 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: ones influencing their target victim. They can't have somebody who's 57 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: going to shine a light on their bad behavior, so 58 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: they have to make the closest people to that person 59 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: look bad, and they're very successful at doing that, you know. 60 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: Danettison Coolly with me along with her mother, Nicole's mother Claudia, 61 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: and father Glenn. Also with me the San Diego Deputy 62 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: District Attorney John Cross, Sergeant Kelly Garcia, OCEANSIDEPD detective that night, 63 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: and Samantha Lomiboo joining us from k SQ News three. 64 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Back to you, Danata Sin Cooley. I know we're about 65 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: to talk about the cruel and brutal murder. I'm Nicole, 66 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: and I know you do not want to hear those facts. 67 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: What is really important is that a parole board or 68 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: a governing body does hear those facts. But Danata, I 69 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: want to hear something that maybe no one else could 70 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: tell me. You know, Data, I have twins, they're fourteen now, John, 71 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: David and Lucy, and I love them more than anything 72 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: in this world. They have a relationship different from the 73 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: mother son or mother daughter relationship. It's different. Your relationship 74 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: with Nicole is different from anybody else's in the world. 75 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Tell me about she was my best friend. You know. 76 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: We grew up with my mom's sister being murdered, so 77 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: we always were taught that how special our relationship is 78 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and never to take it for granted. So there was 79 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: not one moment of our life where, of course we fought. 80 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: We were very very close, but you know, we shared 81 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: best friends to this day, you know, childhood best friends. 82 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: We could check our parents with our voices. We would 83 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: do that to you know, we would prank call them 84 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: and switch our voices. We did it to guys in 85 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: the past. We were you know, people used to think 86 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: we were twins. We were two years apart, but we 87 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: were so She was my everything and I was hers, 88 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: you know, and you know we didn't have any other siblings. 89 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I am older, and you know, we used to gang 90 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: up against my parents. It was just her and I 91 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: against the world a lot of times, you know, and 92 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: everybody knew that. It wasn't a secret, like every single person, 93 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, they knew one my sister died. The impact 94 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: that that, you know, that this would have on me 95 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: and still does you know, I mean, everything in my 96 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: life has paled in comparison after losing her. I can, 97 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm not invincible, but you know, I lost the most 98 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: special thing in my life. And you know, you know, 99 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: as you're talking, Danetta, it's making me think of my children, John, 100 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: David and Lucy. They loved to gang up on me 101 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and get what they want. It's so funny to watch 102 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: them and they're like two peas in a pod. They're 103 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: so incredibly close. Tell me about her. What was her personality? Janetta? Um, 104 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: she always saw the best in people, you know, she 105 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: always no matter if you know, I would be a 106 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: little bit hesitant, She'd always saw you know, the good 107 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: in people, every single person. And you know, Um, she 108 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: was had strong she you know, her and I would 109 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: get in fight so obviously as siblings do. And she 110 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: just you know, Um, she was tough. She was liked 111 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: by everybody. Like I said, we had the same friends. 112 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: She was. Um, we did everything together. We were a 113 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: band together, swimming together. She was awesome, you know. She 114 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: she was very, you know, very nice person very you know, 115 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: always put other people first. You know. I've been looking 116 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: at her photo a lot since I found out about 117 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: this case. And you know who she looks like? To me? 118 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: She looks like Tiger Woods's ex wife, you know, the 119 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: beautiful blonde, big eyes. She's got just perfect complexion, beautiful smile. 120 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm just I've looked at her so much after I 121 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: started researching your case. Dananda, I know you do not 122 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: want to hear or relive what happened to your sister. 123 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I completely understand that. I hate having to remember the 124 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: facts that my fiance's murder at um. It's very, very upsetting. 125 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: So I know you don't want to hear that. So 126 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: I'll say goodbye to you and I'll now go to 127 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: missus Sincole. This is Nicole and Danetta's mom and mister 128 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Sincole their dad, and you can find them at the 129 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: Nicole Sekuli Foundation Nicole Sekuli dot org. You know, to 130 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: you guys, you're two of the strongest people I've ever 131 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: heard of, because after losing your daughter in this heinous 132 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: way in her sleep like a sleeping beauty, you are 133 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: still fighting. And I've just got to ask you, Miss Sinculie, 134 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: how do you keep fighting? I keep fighting because I 135 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: have to be a voice for her and not just her. 136 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean now, now despite is gone, beyond my family 137 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: is gone because of the fact that he has been 138 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: recommended for role. It could be in your community. It 139 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: could be he wants to settle in Sacramento, but or Nappa, 140 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: where his parents are, where all the dysfunction probably started, 141 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and he's been in ocean side, he's lived in LA 142 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: he knows where we live in the desert. I have 143 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: to fight for my family and for the community that 144 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: he might he might. I can't sit back and be 145 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: quiet knowing that he's going to get out and someone 146 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: else is going to be in danger, because I believe 147 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: he will hurt or kill again, and not just kill, 148 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: but murder, because there's a difference with me. In addition 149 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: to Danata, Nicole's sister and Claudia Missin Cooley, Nicole's mother 150 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: is her dad, Glancincooley. You know, mister Sinkule, my parents, 151 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, worked so hard to put me through school, 152 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: help me get to law school. And I love my 153 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: mother so much. In fact, she lives with me now 154 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: with our family, and I'm so happy that she's with me. 155 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: That said, nobody can ever ever replace my dad. I 156 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: don't tell my husband, but I think my dad has 157 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: always been my soulmate. I just to this day love 158 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: him and miss him every day. Tell me about your 159 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: relationship with Nick Cole just very hard to describe it, 160 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: I suppose are it broke my heart when that happened. Actually, 161 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: I had a heart attack two years after this guy 162 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: I did what he did. I just don't understand some things, 163 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: like as a society, have we stooped to a position 164 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: and a level that we will even consider a bloodthirsty 165 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: animal like he is to let him out to devour again. 166 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: We know too much now, we know a lot, and 167 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: this person not even a person. This animal will strike again, 168 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: and someone will be and whoever doesn't stop, I feel 169 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: is going to have the blood on their hands because 170 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: he will kill again. He will kill again. Time stories 171 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know John Crofts joining me San 172 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: Diego County Deputy District Attorney. Help me, help me understand 173 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: why anyone would release this guy. I hate to even 174 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: say his name, Eric Nathaniel marm Why would they release him? 175 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: I don't understand this. I mean, haven't we learned anything. 176 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Glenn's Acculli is right, Why do we do the same 177 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: thing over and over? He will kill again? He will 178 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Nancy. We fought extremely hard at 179 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: the Pearl Hearing back in November to keep him in. 180 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: We are still fighting now right beside Glenn, Danetta and 181 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Claudia to keep him in. The decision now is in 182 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: the government California's hands. Gavin, Yes, Gavin Newsom. We have 183 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: sent him from our office asking for him to reverse 184 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: this grand of Pearl. Claudia has sent him a letter, 185 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: numerous letters from the community. I blew, there're seventy or 186 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: eighty letters in from the community. There's a petition with 187 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: more than seven thousand signatures asking the governor to reverse 188 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: this grand of pearl. It was an awful grant of parle. 189 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: The inmate is still who the hey decided this guy 190 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: it's been sixteen years, that's nothing. Well, why should this 191 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: guy walk now again? Great question, Nancy, This is what 192 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: the Pearl board decided. That question is probably better posed 193 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: to them because we were opposed to prole then we're 194 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: opposed to prole now. This inmate is still dangerous and 195 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: he's a young man. This is a young man. How 196 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: old is he now? Samantha Lomiboo joining me, investigative reporter 197 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: k E Sq News three Twitter at some Antha k 198 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: E Sq you have incredible reputation as an excellent reporter. 199 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. How old is this 200 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: pos now? Is he forty one? I've got forty one 201 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: years old? Is that true? Yeah? Yes, okay, forty one. 202 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh oh, whoa Samantha. Let me tell you something. John 203 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Cross helped me out one of the first cases I 204 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: worked up where I worked on similar transactions. It was 205 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: a rape of a five year old and a three 206 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: year old girl. I got to looking at the defendant. 207 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: He was like sixty something, and I'm like what he had? 208 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: Rapes and john molestations dating back to when he was 209 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: about nineteen years old, and he was still at it 210 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: and had never been apprehended forty one in the life 211 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: of a male criminal. Oh yeah, he's gonna He's gonna 212 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: offend again. There's no question based on his age alone. 213 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: John Cross, he is he is. He's a young man. Uh, 214 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: he's a She saw him at prole hearing. He's a 215 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: good looking man. Not to me, he looks like the 216 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: devil of me. Well educated? What do you mean he's 217 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: well educated? I didn't know that he graduated from UCLA. 218 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: He's got to be a in psychology. I bet he's 219 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: using that to his advantage. Who said that? Was that? Miss? Singularly? Doubtless? 220 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Claudia and his father is a psychology I retell you 221 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: a psychologist dealing in anger management and domestic violence and 222 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: family relations, domestic violence. That that sound Nicole was murdered. 223 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: You know what, Let me go to Samantha Loamibao and 224 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Sergeant Kelly Garcia. First of all, Sergeant Garcia, tell me 225 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: what happened. You're the detective on the night of the murder, 226 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: and sargent, and thank you for being with us. I 227 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: know you've got your hands full. Thank you for joining 228 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: us in our fight to keep this violent murderer behind 229 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: bars where he should be. What happened that night? That night, 230 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: I was actually on my way home from another incident 231 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: that we had here on Oceanside, So I actually heard 232 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: the radio call go out and turned around knowing that 233 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: that we had a murder. But when I got to 234 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: the scene, it was I've been to a lot of 235 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: crime scenes I've been At that time, I had been 236 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: a police officer for probably thirteen years. I've now been 237 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: here for twenty five. But at that time I had 238 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: worked gangs for several years. I had seen a lot 239 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: of murder, a lot of crime scenes. This one, though, 240 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: jolted me when I walked into the house, when I 241 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: saw her laying there. Why so, a lot of times 242 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in murders you know, you see someone's been shot, they've 243 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: been stabbed, they've been beaten. I could tell that this 244 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: was personal. The thing that bothered me the most about 245 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: this case, and still to this day bothers me, is 246 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: oftentimes suspects do not leave the weapon behind. They always 247 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: take the weapon. However, in this particular case, when I 248 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: walked into her bedroom, I saw her lying there. She 249 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: looked it was really sad, still sad to this day. 250 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: I saw her lying there. She had a cast on 251 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: her leg. She looked very innocent, but her head was 252 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: absolutely just exploded, and the hammer that was used to 253 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: kill her was still embedded into her head. Stop stop, play, stop, sergeant, 254 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: and you want to tell me this guy has been 255 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: recommended to be really least you are hearing a seasoned 256 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: sergeant state that this crime scene steel is in her 257 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: head because of what she saw. So brazen he left 258 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: the murder weapon there embedded in this beautiful girl's head. 259 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: How was the perp caught, Sergeant Garcia. We had put 260 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: out a description of who he was in the vehicle 261 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: that he possibly left in, and it was just within 262 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: about an hour later. He was in our South area 263 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: of Oceanside and officers that were patrolling the area saw 264 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: him and made a traffic stop on him, and he 265 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: actually pulled over and complied, and he was taken into custody. 266 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: You know, the reality is to Claudius Sinkulee, this isn't 267 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: Nicole's mother joining us. Don't you know they're tired. Don't 268 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: you just know that Claudia and Glenn Secculi are just exhausted. 269 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: I remember, I kind of remember. Actually, Miss Cinculi is 270 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: like a blur to me. My dad and now my 271 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: mom tells me she drove me. Sometimes I can't even remember. 272 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Around my fiance's murder trial. It was such an awful, horrible, 273 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: like a red blurry haze to me. I would come 274 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: home from the trial and I just couldn't even think straight. 275 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: And you have been living this every day, fighting parole, 276 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: fighting parole, fighting parole, and now this, I'm sorry you 277 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: have to hear these facts again. We have to live 278 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: with them, Nancy. And like I told somebody, you know 279 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: we have her autopsy papers here. You know, we have 280 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: to live with it. We don't have a choice. Either 281 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: curl up and die, or we could kill ourselves, or 282 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: we could be a voice for Nicole. And other domestic 283 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: violence women and even men. This man, this man only 284 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: said that he slapped her one time. Most of it 285 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: was abused. He admits to manipulating and abusing her um verbally, 286 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: he admits to that. And that's that's how he seduced 287 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: her mind, is what he did. And Nicole was pretty innocent, 288 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: and he seduced her mind. And she died for love. 289 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: And that last day he was kicked out of his 290 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: rehab for the second time, and she took him in 291 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: and they weren't even fighting. Um. That night, I took 292 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: her home. She had she had stayed with She had 293 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: come over for a family dinner, and I took her 294 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: home and I spent two hours with her. And when 295 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: I left, he obviously was stalking in the in around 296 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: her apartment. And when I was there, we put his 297 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: clothes on the porch, and when I left, she took 298 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: him back in. And when she went to bed, she 299 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: was drinking with the neighbor. He went out to his 300 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: truck and got the hammer. The neighbor hid the hammer. 301 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: The neighbor went to get cigarettes at his apartment and 302 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: came back, and he heard the noise in the room. 303 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: And when Kelly talks. Sergeant Kelly talks about the hammer 304 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: being left in Nicole's head when the neighbors seeing him, 305 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: he had the hammer. He was standing with the hammer, 306 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: So that means that he hit her one last time. 307 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: And when he was asked into hearing why he did that, 308 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: and he said because it was like the end or 309 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: he finished, and so he had to hit her one 310 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: more time. It wasn't enough that he hit her over 311 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: thirteen times. And there was everything all over the room 312 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't want to see and you wouldn't want 313 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: to see, but that we know about. And UM, okay, 314 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I went on a little bit. When did 315 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: you learn that your door had been killed? Um? I 316 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: left her that night and I went home and I 317 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: got a call that he was there, and we called 318 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: the police and it started to unravel. I went to bed, 319 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: and the next day my husband and I went out 320 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: for aaron and we came back. I went upstairs to 321 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: take a nap, and then Glenn can answer it from there, 322 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: if that's okay, Yes, mister Sincularly, Claudia had taken a 323 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: nap and I heard someone at our door, so I 324 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: was upstairs and I went downstairs and two people in 325 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: all black suits of men in black type said are 326 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: you Drunson Coolly and my heart, my heart seat Marta 327 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: fell to my feet. If I felt something left me, 328 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: something was gone. So they had formed me something's happened. 329 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: They told it, and then I called Claudia down and 330 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: and Claudia got on the phone and I called his parents. 331 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: I call this parents and I told them what his 332 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: son had done to our wonderful, beautiful daughter, one of 333 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: my wonderful, beautiful daughters. So I believe Kelly was that 334 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: one of those people at the door on my right. Kelly, Yes, 335 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: I was. Um. I was the lead detective on the case, 336 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: and myself and my sergeant decided that we would make 337 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: notification to the family. And that was the first time 338 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: I met Claudia and Glenn, and it was horrible. I 339 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: felt bad. I had to keep it together at the time, 340 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: but I really felt bad for the family knowing that 341 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: what I was about to tell him, and they were 342 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: obviously upset, and I think they know. Um, I just 343 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: I felt horrible giving that news to them that day, 344 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: and knowing that I was the person had to tell 345 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: him that what happened to their daughter and just how 346 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: violent it was is what bothered me so much. It's easy, 347 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: It's not easy, but it's almost easier to tell somebody 348 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: that your son's or your daughter's been shot. But when 349 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: you have to tell them how they were killed in 350 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: this manner is it's horrible and I should have say 351 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: my heart breaks for this and Cool Time Stories with 352 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace join to me. Samantha Looney bow k SQ 353 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: News three. Samantha, I never get used to investigating our 354 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: reporting on violent crimes. I never get used to it. 355 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: I think about it, I dream about it, I worry 356 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: about it. Can you tell me how what we what 357 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: we know of how the parole board has come up 358 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: with the idea that this guy should be released. What 359 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: is their thinking? What do we know of this parole board? 360 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: You know, as of right now, what we know the 361 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: last time I discussed with the Syncolies is that I mean, 362 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: I guess he's been just showing that he's now gooded 363 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: and that he's been acting, you know, within a certain 364 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: range that should allow him to be released. But you know, 365 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: speaking with the Syncolies back when we did the story, 366 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: you know, they said he is manipulative. He is someone 367 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: that you know, did this to their port of whole, 368 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: was able to, you know, use his words and his 369 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: actions to persuade. And I'm not shocked if you know. 370 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: Obviously I don't know, but I'm not shocked that he's 371 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: using the same thing right now while he's serving time 372 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: to show that he's remorseful, because you know, speaking with 373 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: some coolies, he never showed any remorse to them. He 374 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: never apologized for the crime that he did. Oh wait, 375 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Samantha loom me vow hold on 376 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: just a moment. Is that true? Gland Seculi. He never apologized, 377 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: he never showed remorse. In fact, didn't he blame all 378 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: this on drug and alcohol addiction and God? And God? 379 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: How did he drag God into it? I can't answer that. 380 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: There's a twisted mind involved, and I can't understand anything 381 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: about him. The more I know, and we're learning a 382 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: lot more, it's he's he's been a sick man for 383 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: a long time. Why do you say that, I can't 384 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: be revealed right now? I don't believe in this format. Well, 385 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the trial is however, he's about to get 386 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: set free. Is there something? It's just you know, I 387 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: Nancy this is Claudia and he presents with a flat 388 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: attitude and um, it's he's like a robot. And if 389 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: you look up, it's not attitude, but at that person. Yes, 390 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: and if you look that up, it's pretty scary. And 391 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: he m in fact when we had this hearing, in 392 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: the last hearing, Um, John Cross could not he still 393 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: can't get over how robotic, the robotic nature the mindset. 394 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, John Cross, what did he observe? 395 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: I observed a man with no remorse. He was a motionless, cold, old, 396 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: stone faced When the victims family gave their impact statements 397 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the hearing, he sat with his 398 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: arms crossed and his head down for about an hour 399 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: without moving. He did not seem to show any remorse whatsoever. 400 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Granted parole was just a miscarriage of justice because we've 401 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: got a man who who is still dangerous. I thought 402 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: that was part of parole, John Cross. I mean, you're 403 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: the expert everybody, John Cross joining me San Diego County 404 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney. You can find him at San Diego 405 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: DA dot com. John Cross, I thought that was part 406 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: of getting release, was that you admitted to what you did. 407 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: You take responsibility and you show remorse. That's true, Nancy. 408 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: All of those are factors the Pearl Board takes in. 409 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: But this was just a miscarriage of justice. They got 410 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: it wrong. He should not have been released, should not 411 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: be up for release. He's still got issues going on. 412 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: He does not realize the severity of the domestic violence 413 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: that happened before the murder of Nicole. He still blames 414 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: much of the murder on the use of methamphetamine and 415 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: what he calls a meth psychosis that he was in 416 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: at the time. He doesn't realize the domestic violence aspect 417 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: of it and how serious it was. The dominion, the control, 418 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: the power and control he was trying to exert over Nicole. 419 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: He has parole plans that are very grandiose and borderline delusional. 420 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: He wants to win an Oscar. He wants to write 421 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: a Netflix series. He wants to be a published author. 422 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: He wants to win a Pulitzer Prize. He wants to 423 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: go hunting with his dad, even though in the state 424 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: of California, convicted cannot own nor be around far. I 425 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: was just thinking this guy with a gun in his hands, 426 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: or well, isn't it true? John Cross isn't it true 427 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: that when asked specifically what if anything he regretted, he 428 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: didn't even mention Nicole. He mentioned he regretted that he 429 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: had used drugs. He does blame a lot of all 430 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: of this on the drugs, and he overlooks the domestic 431 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: violence portion of it. And if someone does not understand 432 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: what led them to do such a horrific crime, which 433 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: he still can't explain, why this was so brutal, why 434 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: he hit her thirteen times, why he used a hammer, 435 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: why he used a claw and of the hammer, he 436 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: can't explain those things. He can't explain those things. He 437 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't understand what motivated him to do it makes him dangerous. Samanthelomibo, 438 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: what if anything can we do the pro boarder, I 439 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: believe it's two out of three people voted for him, 440 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Eric Nathaniel marm forty one to be released. What can 441 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: we do now? Well now, at this point, I mean, 442 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: the signatures on the petition have our gaining steam and 443 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: I think it's all up to the people to bring 444 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: it to their state lawmakers to try to get Governor 445 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Galvinuem to make sure that Mariam isn't released anytime soon, 446 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: because after speaking with the Syncoulies. I mean, he's definitely 447 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: going to be a threat, even coming out of even 448 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: coming out of jail. I mean you've had your sister 449 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: move out of state because she's afraid. Absolutely exactly. Fancy 450 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: this is yes, Kelly Garcia. Yes. One thing I can 451 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: add to what's being said right now. Also when they're 452 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: talking about his flat affects is, in my opinion, whether 453 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: he's on drugs or not, because at the Pearl hearing 454 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: he was allegedly not on drugs. When we arrested him, 455 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: he was on drugs, and during that interview he had 456 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: zero remorse or emotion when he talked about why he 457 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: killed Nicole, and his answer was that God made him 458 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: do it. So his personality and his affect has not 459 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: changed in sixteen years. Whether it's on drugs or off drugs, 460 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: he's just it. It's absolutely the same. Her injuries indicate 461 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: that she had a gaping hole in her skull and 462 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: thirteen impact holes in her head. In a search warrant 463 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: and I'm going all the way back to trial, he 464 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: said he had thought about murdering Nicole for some time 465 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: because he quote felt she was evil at the time, 466 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: missing cried, holding tissues to her face as Judge John 467 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: Einhorn asked about the factual basis of this guy's guilty plea. 468 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: Remember he pled guilty under oath. There's no question that 469 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: he murdered Nicole. That is not a question. So you 470 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: have the mom reduced to tears in court, and now 471 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: again she is reduced to tears because two a holes 472 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: on pardoning parole have decided this depraved killer who murdered 473 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old angel, they're letting him walk free. 474 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: That's my understanding of the injuries to her. Did I 475 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: miss something to Sergeant Kelly Garcia or John Cross or 476 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: mister and missus Sincoole, Did I understand and that I 477 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: was at the autopsy unfortunately as well, and her head 478 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: injuries were so and the synchols have heard this before. 479 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: It's the only reason I'm they know I will bring 480 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: this up is her head injuries were It was at 481 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: least thirteen impacts, that's all the medical examiner could count 482 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: at the time, but her head was so exploded that 483 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: they could not figure out how many times she had 484 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: been blunted. Correct And they normally have to open up 485 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: your during an autopsy to take your brain out, They 486 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: have to open up your head with a saw. Yes, 487 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: in this situation, all the doctor had to do was 488 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: use her hands to pull apart Nicole's skull. I want 489 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: to remind everyone and commit correct me if I'm wrong, 490 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: Samantha loa me bow because joining us k EESQ because 491 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: you know the facts much better than I do. But 492 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: isn't it true that he had already played guilty to 493 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges in connection with violence against Nicole? He had 494 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: pled guilty up several times to other charges, and not 495 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: only that, there was a protective order in place to 496 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: keep him away from her that had been lifted just 497 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: four months before he murdered her. Isn't that true? Samantha Lomibo, Yes, 498 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: that is true. Isn't it true? Also, Sergeant Kelly Garcia 499 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: that just about three hours before she was murdered, police 500 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: Oceanside Police had been called to the residents because he 501 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: Eric Nathaniel Morim was creating a ruckless and argument, a 502 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: violent argument, and police had to come and calm everybody down. 503 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: The minute they leave, he murders her. That is corrected. 504 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: He left after the first officers arrived, they spoke with 505 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: him and then he left the scene and then it 506 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: was about an hour after that that he returned to 507 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: the house. Masters. Think, Hilly, what is your message to 508 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom today? My message would be that murderers, 509 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: not people that just kill, not people that just do drugs, 510 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: but murderers should remain in prison a life for a life. 511 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: This man wants to get out and get married and 512 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: had children. Whose child is he going to marry? Do 513 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: you want him in your community. I'm fearful of my 514 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: life because i'm his mother's age, and he has contempts 515 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: for her and contempt for women, and I testified in 516 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: front of him five times. I'm fearful for my older daughter, 517 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: then I don't get to see very often because she 518 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: has She's fearful for her her life, and fearful for 519 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: my family and the community he will live in. My 520 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: husband shouldn't have to worry about protecting us at our age. 521 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: And I just asked that you find it in your 522 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: heart you look over all the facts. This murderer didn't 523 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: pass one test that he had on the outside, but 524 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: yet she's passed all the tests in prison. Please look 525 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: at all the facts and please keep him in to 526 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: Kathleen Maloney joining US definite chief medical exam or joining 527 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: us out of Erie County because you describe the injuries 528 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: to this young girl well as I understand it, she 529 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: had the minimum of thirteen impact sites. But as a 530 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: detective would saying earlier, oftentimes, if impacts are in the 531 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: same place, it's difficult to distinguish exactly how many there are. 532 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: So oftentimes what you'll say is, as a forensic pathologist 533 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: is you have a minimum of thirteen impact sites, but 534 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: it can be difficult to say how many there actually 535 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: were because the injuries are so there's so much overlapping. 536 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately too. Mister glance Akuli, what is your message to you? 537 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: Have a Nissan today, have a conscience, read what we know. 538 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have the ability to know more than 539 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: us in your connections and look at the facts. And 540 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: would you want this guy hanging out with your daughter? 541 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: Do you have any daughters? So? Do they sleep at night? 542 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: We ask him these questions, And do you have nieces? 543 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: Do they sleep at night? And that's all my daughter 544 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: was doing is sleeping, So d'll wake up and do 545 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: the right thing, do the right thing. And I don't 546 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: want to go an you further, but do the right thing, 547 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: and that's chief this annibal locked up. If you want 548 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: to help the Sinkouli family, there is a change dot 549 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: org petition reverse recommended Parole for murderer, Repeat reverse recommended 550 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: Parole for murderer. If you need more information, please go 551 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: to crime online dot com. We have a full article 552 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: including all of the links you need to help keep 553 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: this killer behind bars. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye, 554 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: f