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Speaker 2: hang out, Welcome to the Just Baseball Show. It is Wednesday,
Speaker 2: July twenty nine. That's Arm Latent. I am Peter Rapple,
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Speaker 2: just like you and Jack had a loaded show yesterday,
Speaker 2: where you went over every American League team and what
Speaker 2: they need to buy. My only problem with the episode
Speaker 2: because I even texted you after the fact. It was
Speaker 2: really good. I like the flow. Put the disrespect to
Speaker 2: my Minnesota Twins. I can't even believe it. So you
Speaker 2: know what I did. I bet them to win the
Speaker 2: American League Central that's right, plus five point fifty on
Speaker 2: bet MGM. I got a social video coming out later today.
Speaker 2: I believe it, and this team is gonna buy. What's
Speaker 2: wrong with you? Actually, that's actually my question? What is
Speaker 2: wrong with you?
Speaker 1: So what's crazy is I didn't realize that a walkoff
Speaker 1: win against the Kansas City Royals would be like the
Speaker 1: pivotal moment where they say we're buyers.
Speaker 2: Now we're back by one hundred, we're back to five hundred.
Speaker 2: When you know, it's so funny though, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the Orioles potentially buying, and the Astros potentially buying, or
Speaker 2: the Mariners potentially buying. And I even wrote in an
Speaker 2: article that I published on Just Baseball dot com for
Speaker 2: mock trades for the Yankees to have an ideal deadline
Speaker 2: and all Yankee fans want Ryan Jeffers, and I said
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna get Ryan Jeffers because I
Speaker 2: really don't believe the Twins are going to sell. Why
Speaker 2: would they sell if teams below them are going to
Speaker 2: buy and the Twins lead the American League in runs scored. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they got to address the bullpen with three guys. That's it.
Speaker 2: They're done. They'll win the division.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the biggest thing. And I thought about it
Speaker 1: too when you sent the text. I was like, Man,
Speaker 1: I wish we had at least presented a little bit
Speaker 1: of the like what if they don't trade Jeffers, But
Speaker 1: it just seemed like such a ridiculous value proposition for
Speaker 1: the Twins, And we hadn't heard anything quite yet of like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're definitely not going to trade them until literally right
Speaker 1: after the episode. Because, as we'll talk about a theme
Speaker 1: in this episode here is going to be what an
Speaker 1: opportunity if you have a right handed bat? What a
Speaker 1: seller's opportunity here in this market. We're obviously talking about
Speaker 1: the buyers side, but we're gonna be talking about the
Speaker 1: same candidates for several different aggressive or perceived aggressive buyers.
Speaker 1: They need right handed bats, and Jeffers is one of
Speaker 1: the best ones. Andy's a catcher, and several teams need
Speaker 1: catchers as well, so the selling opportunity there was exciting.
Speaker 1: But I'm of the belief, especially this whole point of
Speaker 1: the expanded playoffs, if you are within two games of
Speaker 1: the playoffs and like inside of that, especially coming into
Speaker 1: the deadline, keep going, just run through it, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that's ultimately why the Twins are looking at
Speaker 1: it and saying, hey, like, we feel like we've got
Speaker 1: two different paths, the division, which I know is your
Speaker 1: big pick here, and the wild card. And I think
Speaker 1: if the division wasn't so soft as well, maybe they
Speaker 1: don't come out and say we're buyers. But the fact
Speaker 1: that they can, even if they don't win the division
Speaker 1: still make it via the wild card, there's two legitimate
Speaker 1: paths you can't sell, and I understand that.
Speaker 2: As much as I want to continue on the Minnesota Twins,
Speaker 2: and truthfully I do. This episode is about the National
Speaker 2: League and what they're going to buy at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: talk about the Atlanta Braves. So, the Atlanta Braves lead
Speaker 2: the National League East. Right, they currently sit at sixty
Speaker 2: two in fifty four per fangrafts, eighty two and a
Speaker 2: half percent chance to win the division, ninety seven percent
Speaker 2: chance to make the playoffs. This is clearly a playoff team,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, they're not a perfect team.
Speaker 2: And if you go on Braves Twitter, this is an
Speaker 2: angry bunch because I think when you have such a
Speaker 2: hot start and then you cool down a little bit,
Speaker 2: some of the problems become more glaring than they might
Speaker 2: normally be if you didn't start so hot. And I
Speaker 2: want to bring you three needs to the forefront for
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Braves, and I think one is starting pitcher,
Speaker 2: two is a corner outfielder, and three is just general
Speaker 2: bullpen depth. The Braves have one of the best bullpens
Speaker 2: in baseball, but you can never have too much bullpen
Speaker 2: depth when you're looking at their corner outfield situation right now.
Speaker 2: Ronaldkunu Junior is back from an injury, but I think
Speaker 2: it's in the Braves and his best interest to give
Speaker 2: him a lot to run at DH Right, So now
Speaker 2: your corner outfield spots are pretty much Mauricio Dubon in
Speaker 2: a pinch or Mike Yastremsky. They're good in center with
Speaker 2: Michael Harris, but I think they could use a big
Speaker 2: time corner outfielder. Starting pitching is self explanatory. Spencer Schwellenbach
Speaker 2: still on the shelf, a couple of other good young
Speaker 2: pitchers still on the shelf. It's Chris Sale and friends
Speaker 2: pretty much. Even though the Brave's rotation has been solid, right,
Speaker 2: I like what Bryce Elder has given him this year.
Speaker 2: Ranald Lopez has filled it in spots, Grant Holmes has
Speaker 2: been solid, Martin Perez has even given them a decent season.
Speaker 2: But the Braves want to go win a World Series, right,
Speaker 2: so we need to add a high end or at
Speaker 2: least a pretty damn good starting pitcher, and then going
Speaker 2: back to the bullpen depth. Would you say those are
Speaker 2: their three biggest needs?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would agree one hundred percent, and I think
Speaker 1: that's the tough part. And I think Jeff Passon alluded
Speaker 1: to this on his show, Sources tell Jeff pass and like,
Speaker 1: if you bank on starting pitch returning, and we've ban
Speaker 1: we've talked about it a lot on the show, you
Speaker 1: can often set yourself up for disappointment. How many times
Speaker 1: do we say, oh, Waldrop and Schwellenbach are gonna be back.
Speaker 1: Waldrip had a setback in his rehabit assignment, And you know,
Speaker 1: with Schwellenbach, if he has even the sled, he doesn't
Speaker 1: even need a set back. He could just be a
Speaker 1: little bit slower in the ramp up and not be
Speaker 1: able to really help this team. And I talked about
Speaker 1: it with the d Backs and Corbyn Burns, and he
Speaker 1: has had a set back and now they're just hoping
Speaker 1: that he can make a couple of starts before the
Speaker 1: end of the regular season. So I think when you
Speaker 1: look at it from that lens, like we really can't
Speaker 1: count on Schwellenbach either, and I think that makes it
Speaker 1: even more pressing. Look, I think the Braves have the
Speaker 1: regular season rotation to just finish, you know, and win
Speaker 1: the division and make it happen. But like we've always
Speaker 1: talked about the names that you listed. Those are guys
Speaker 1: that can give you five innings, a two run ball,
Speaker 1: six innings, a three run ball. Offense is going to prevail.
Speaker 1: Bullpen's gonna pvail. You're gonna win more than you lose
Speaker 1: when you got a team like this get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't want Grant Holmes, opposite of Snell. I don't
Speaker 1: want Bryce Ellert or opposite of whoever you want you
Speaker 1: want to highlight there, Christopher Sanchez, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: So the biggest thing for me, I agree with all
Speaker 1: the needs. I think they need it bad as well.
Speaker 1: But the glaring gwaer and gearing thing to me is
Speaker 1: who the hell gets the ball game two? And it
Speaker 1: needs to be somebody externally, I think, And it needs
Speaker 1: to be somebody really damn good. And that's for me,
Speaker 1: Like I'd almost rather funnel a bunch of the assets
Speaker 1: to the guy that can get the ball game two
Speaker 1: for me, and I know that might be a steep cost,
Speaker 1: and there's not a ton of guys that fit that bill.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I have an option for them, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a strong Game two starter
Speaker 2: because you would hope that Spencer Schwellenbach is going to
Speaker 2: be your Game two starter. But I think you make
Speaker 2: a really good point about putting all of your eggs
Speaker 2: in the returning from injury starters. Because let's say Schwellenbach
Speaker 2: doesn't have any problems in his rehab and he looks good,
Speaker 2: you still have to get tuned up in order to
Speaker 2: make a big time postseason start. We've seen plenty of
Speaker 2: pictures come back from injury. Look at Hunter Green right now,
Speaker 2: right he's pitching to a seventy LRA. He's had some
Speaker 2: dominant starts and some blow up starts. Same injury too,
Speaker 2: exactly because he's clearly not ready yet or at least
Speaker 2: not the Hunter Green that we know. So there could
Speaker 2: be no problems, but you just need kind of a
Speaker 2: grace period to come back from an injury. So to
Speaker 2: bank on that and hopefully it times up that you
Speaker 2: get Schwellenbach right in time for October. Is a parlay
Speaker 2: at plus ops. Yeah, yeah, you can boost on Badab
Speaker 2: jabb Right, that's a parlay that I don't want to take, yeah,
Speaker 2: or at least that I don't want to bank on.
Speaker 2: I want him as my three. But here's the issue.
Speaker 2: When are the Braves truly making big splashes. We can
Speaker 2: both sit here and say they should go get a
Speaker 2: schoobl They should go get at least someone relatively close.
Speaker 2: There's not really any other starters on the block. They're
Speaker 2: relatively close, but at least a game two starter. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: is it Gosman? Is it Freddie Peralta. My first idea
Speaker 2: was for Michael Waka. And Michael Waka when I put
Speaker 2: out a mock trade for him to the Braves, I
Speaker 2: think it was about a week ago. Braves fans kind
Speaker 2: of grimaced and they said, a thirty six year old pitcher,
Speaker 2: do we really need him?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I've said plenty of times before, I think Michael Wauka
Speaker 2: is one of the most underrated pitchers in all of baseball.
Speaker 2: He's been pitching to an era in the mid to
Speaker 2: low threes, sometimes high threes over the last half decade,
Speaker 2: and he's doing it again this year. But you'd kind
Speaker 2: of more want him as like a four in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: that's maybe a three. So that's an idea for the
Speaker 2: Braves for what they're used to. What indication do you
Speaker 2: have about Atlanta that they would do something that they're
Speaker 2: not used to.
Speaker 1: That's my issue, the one and this isn't really an indication,
Speaker 1: this is a speculation, but if there's anything that could
Speaker 1: fan that flame a little bit. This is the best
Speaker 1: I've seen the Braves farm system in a long time.
Speaker 1: They they have breakouts, they have guys taking big steps forward.
Speaker 1: I thought they sprayed the board really well in the
Speaker 1: draft in terms of, you know, spreading out the talent
Speaker 1: by Underslad and Grassia and then getting a couple presumably
Speaker 1: first round caliber players. And they got another exciting right
Speaker 1: hander and Jensen Hirstcorn. So you pair the fact that
Speaker 1: you know they have one of the breakouts of the
Speaker 1: year and Eric Hartman Tate South the seene is nineteen
Speaker 1: and just got up to double A like that offensive
Speaker 1: tandem is crazy. You have cam Kamminitty, you have the
Speaker 1: draft that you had, and then you pair that with
Speaker 1: several other guys. Connor Essenberg's another guy that just broke out,
Speaker 1: and this farm system has been having a great year.
Speaker 1: So you have these breakout guys, then you have all
Speaker 1: of these upper miners arms that teams would definitely love
Speaker 1: to have. And the Tigers have come out and said, like,
Speaker 1: look we want like a coast to big league ready starter,
Speaker 1: or at least that's what the reports have been, is
Speaker 1: that they would want something like in aj smith shopber
Speaker 1: or like an Owen Murphy. So at least there's like
Speaker 1: that match there that can get you started. But I
Speaker 1: think you pair of the farm system kind of breakout
Speaker 1: that they've had and the talent they have there with
Speaker 1: the fact that you have upper miners arms in JR.
Speaker 1: Richie Owen Murphy, even a Herson wall drip Like it's
Speaker 1: not like he's you know, debilitatingly hurt. He just had
Speaker 1: a minor setback. He could be a guy that teams
Speaker 1: are interested in. That makes me think that they have
Speaker 1: a little bit more resource wise than they've had in
Speaker 1: previous years. Is that enough for the Braves to buck
Speaker 1: their their trend? I don't know, but at least makes
Speaker 1: me think there's a chance for that and a year
Speaker 1: where I think they feel like, you know, they can
Speaker 1: make something happen if they bring in another type of
Speaker 1: wipeout arm for them, but there's only really one out there.
Speaker 1: I do think at least that the Tigers and the
Speaker 1: Braves are a good match here with what the Tigers
Speaker 1: would want for Schooble and what the Braves actually have.
Speaker 2: So let me give you what I think is a
Speaker 2: realistic deadline plan for the Braves. Also speaking about A. J.
Speaker 2: Smith Schauverer as we're recording, he threw two shut out
Speaker 2: for the Braves in his season debut, so that's awesome
Speaker 2: for him that he's back, and he's certainly going to
Speaker 2: help the Braves rotation. But at the same time, we
Speaker 2: need a guy at the top of the rotation. I
Speaker 2: think a J. Smith Shaverer is really solid in the middle,
Speaker 2: but we want to aim a little bit higher. So
Speaker 2: here's my deadline plan, and you tell me if they
Speaker 2: have the prospects to even do more than this. This
Speaker 2: is more of just a normal Braves blueprint deadline that
Speaker 2: I do think would help them, But based on your
Speaker 2: points about the farm system, maybe we can aim a
Speaker 2: little bit higher. So again, the starting pitcher acquired Michael Waka,
Speaker 2: the corner outfielder acquired Taylor Ward from the Baltimore Orioles
Speaker 2: and bullpen depth. I would like to bring AJ Minter back.
Speaker 2: It's not like they need a left handed reliever. They
Speaker 2: don't need a reliever at all, but I would like
Speaker 2: to see a little bit of a throwback to the
Speaker 2: night shift, and aj Minter is throwing pretty well. I
Speaker 2: think Taylor Ward answers a lot of questions for them
Speaker 2: again in that corner outfield spot, and Michael Walker is
Speaker 2: just as solid as they come. But based on what
Speaker 2: you're saying, I think they have the farm system to
Speaker 2: aim higher than this they do.
Speaker 1: And I think with Walk a great fit sets them
Speaker 1: up nicely for next year as well. But I also
Speaker 1: wonder if it's he's better than the other guys. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but if it's kind of an elevated
Speaker 1: version of what we talked about, where it's like, love
Speaker 1: him to get me through the regular season, don't mind
Speaker 1: him to make a playoff start. But is that who
Speaker 1: I'm handing the ball to Game two with confidence? And
Speaker 1: the answer is no. That's why I do like adding
Speaker 1: the bullpen arm, because like, if you're not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: have the second star pitcher in there, just a really
Speaker 1: high impact arm to complement Sale, let's just load up
Speaker 1: this bullpen and let's just go kind of bullpen chaos here,
Speaker 1: like we've seen some teams, do you know, especially on
Speaker 1: the American League side, and just make it work where
Speaker 1: you could just go shortleash on some of these other
Speaker 1: guys and then make it happen through the bullpen if
Speaker 1: you add a couple other bullpen arms. I think that
Speaker 1: can really work, because like Fuentis is gonna be a
Speaker 1: unique weapon in the playoffs, and I know he's young,
Speaker 1: but still I think just the stuff will prevail on
Speaker 1: some of the other guys they have. So I think
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where if you don't feel
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get that major, major impact arm, yeah,
Speaker 1: go get that walk up or maybe a mis type,
Speaker 1: And then I think there's pressure then to address the
Speaker 1: bullpen even more so and go get a couple guys
Speaker 1: and make this like a super pen. We'll get how
Speaker 1: it's helped the Padres survive the regular season, and obviously
Speaker 1: this rotation is far better than what the Padres have.
Speaker 1: I think it could really help them. They'd have to
Speaker 1: get really strategic in the playoffs. But if you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go get the schooble type of guy,
Speaker 1: which I think they're gonna make a legit push for,
Speaker 1: I think you got you gotta go get that middle
Speaker 1: rotation arm and then really solidify this bullpen. Taylor Ward.
Speaker 1: I like it for a lot of teams. I think
Speaker 1: he's a great fit for this team as well, but
Speaker 1: I also like him for some other teams. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they need a bat and he fits the bill.
Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what the Orioles are going
Speaker 2: to do with this deadline because Trevor Rodgers is a
Speaker 2: free agent after the season. They've already extended Shane Baws.
Speaker 2: They just extended Kyle Bradish, but they didn't extend Trevor Rodgers.
Speaker 2: And you might look at the full season numbers for
Speaker 2: Rodgers and be like, eh, it's a four to one ERA,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Over his last ten starts, he's pitched to
Speaker 2: a two to one ERA, and he's pitched into the
Speaker 2: sixth inning in nine of those, only one five inning start.
Speaker 2: He's looked like a top of the rotation guy. I
Speaker 2: think the Orioles could buy and sell and still give
Speaker 2: up Taylor Ward. But I think if they traded Trevor Rodgers,
Speaker 2: that's a clear indication that they are selling outside of Schooble.
Speaker 2: Let's say the Dodgers get him, or the Brewers, who
Speaker 2: are going to talk about or even the Rays. Do
Speaker 2: you think Trevor Rodgers is the second best pitcher they
Speaker 2: could acquire at this deadline if the Orioles were to sell,
Speaker 2: Because there's Freddy Parlton, there's Kevin Gosman, but Trevor Rodgers
Speaker 2: is pitching back than all of them and is coming
Speaker 2: off a twenty twenty five campaign where he was utterly dominant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is a case there that Rogers
Speaker 1: could be, you know, that guy for them, and really
Speaker 1: the way that he's thrown of late, he said he's
Speaker 1: like he wants to stick in Baltimore, But I just
Speaker 1: don't know how much that matters. So I think I
Speaker 1: think that's a guy that could absolutely give them a
Speaker 1: little I'm just thinking, like, who has the ability with
Speaker 1: the flat like the ceiling that we've seen to be
Speaker 1: able to go out and give you five or six
Speaker 1: shutout in the playoffs, Like who has a reasonable ceiling
Speaker 1: to be able to do that? And if Rogers is on,
Speaker 1: like we've seen a guy that can absolutely do that.
Speaker 1: The other one that's interesting to me is I know
Speaker 1: that the Mariners are going to want to dangle Emerson
Speaker 1: Hancock in a trade where they they'd be presumably getting
Speaker 1: a bat. But if they keep losing here and the
Speaker 1: Braves just overwhelm them with a solid, you know, just
Speaker 1: general package, could they or like, if there's some sort
Speaker 1: of three team trade workout, could they find a way
Speaker 1: to get Hancock to Atlanta, a Georgia kid who went
Speaker 1: to the University of Georgia. There's some fit there, but
Speaker 1: that might be a harder trade to pull off. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by it. To me, I think I think they're
Speaker 1: most realistic and best shots probably Caseymiyes and hope you
Speaker 1: get them on a heater and then, like you said,
Speaker 1: address the bullpen as well, and like you can take
Speaker 1: a shot on the scoobl talks and once your packages
Speaker 1: to meet that, it's like, all right, well, let's do
Speaker 1: a much more water down version of this for Casemiyes
Speaker 1: and pivot to that.
Speaker 2: The good thing is with Atlanta, the needs are clear,
Speaker 2: and I think it's tough when we're talking about some
Speaker 2: deadline teams where it's like, oh, they could use a
Speaker 2: piece here, they could use a piece here, they could
Speaker 2: use a piece here, and you kind of just go
Speaker 2: in circles a little bit and you feel like you
Speaker 2: have all these holes the Braves have really two holes
Speaker 2: starting pitcher in corner outfield, and it's just good to
Speaker 2: add another bullpen arm. So the so the Braves know
Speaker 2: what they need to do. Alex Endopolis knows the plan.
Speaker 2: All he's got to do is go execute it and
Speaker 2: hopefully he listens to the show and grabs those three.
Speaker 2: But again, we can go even higher with how good
Speaker 2: the Brace farm system is. Let's move over to the
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Phillies and an interesting headline came out today. Bryce
Speaker 2: Harper and Don Maddingly, the manager of the Phillies, are
Speaker 2: at odds. Bryce Harper came out in an interview and
Speaker 2: he was basically asked what do the Phillies need to do?
Speaker 2: Do they need to buy? And he just goes, yes,
Speaker 2: and we need to help, Yeah, we need to help.
Speaker 2: So okay, maybe we took it a little differently. Why
Speaker 2: don't you give your series of events how you saw it?
Speaker 1: I so, look, I think Bryce was chomping at the
Speaker 1: bid a little bit at this opportunity where before the
Speaker 1: season starts, you have Dave Dombrowski putting pressure on Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper and saying, you know, he hasn't been alite. You know,
Speaker 1: basically like saying he needs to be better, right for all,
Speaker 1: for all the noise, That's basically what Dave Dombrowski says
Speaker 1: is that Bryce Harper needs to be better. Now you
Speaker 1: have another solid Phillies team, but clearly with some shortcomings
Speaker 1: and kind of scuffling into the deadline a little bit.
Speaker 1: And Bryce Harper has an opportunity to tell Dave Dombrowski
Speaker 1: he's been good at his job essentially, but not elite
Speaker 1: and we need help. I just I think the nature
Speaker 1: of being in the clubhouse and saying we need help
Speaker 1: when there's twenty five guys around you, and that implies
Speaker 1: that a couple of those guys aren't good enough to
Speaker 1: be in that clubhouse. And I get it's the business
Speaker 1: of it, but like that's something that maybe in front
Speaker 1: office guy says, that's something a GM says Bryce saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, I get he has a different level of
Speaker 1: clearance than most players, but I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit tough. And of course,
Speaker 1: then Don Maddingly his son's in the front office, so
Speaker 1: of course he's not gonna take kindly to that. And
Speaker 1: then you get the quote from Don Maddingly that basically,
Speaker 1: you know via on Pattinson in which they do a
Speaker 1: great job of enjoyed going on some of their shows
Speaker 1: as well. Just said and I quote, I get the sense.
Speaker 1: So this was when Don Mattingley was asked if he
Speaker 1: thinks other people on the team are thinking about it
Speaker 1: and if the team generally is thinking about it, and
Speaker 1: I quote, I sense that Bryce is thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I don't really sense that anybody else is thinking about it, honestly,
Speaker 1: Mattingly said Wednesday prior to the finale. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been through this. Guys want to be a GM for
Speaker 1: what you need without a real understanding of where the
Speaker 1: organization is, exactly where this thing is going to go,
Speaker 1: not only this year but moving forward. Players like being
Speaker 1: gms and making calls and spending other people's money. I'll
Speaker 1: I'll just let it go at that. I mean, Dave
Speaker 1: Dombrowski has been doing this for a while. He's never
Speaker 1: really backed away from trying to get guys. We're trying
Speaker 1: to get better. We're trying to get better at the deadline.
Speaker 1: That is a good point too from Mattingly. It's like
Speaker 1: you never have to tell Dave to go help your team.
Speaker 2: So to me.
Speaker 1: I just took it as well.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: This is just never great anyways, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: not going to be a big deal, but the fact
Speaker 1: that you have your star player kind of saying something
Speaker 1: what the front office would do, and you have this
Speaker 1: back and forth again, and then you have your interim
Speaker 1: manager kind of backing the front office and siloing the
Speaker 1: star player a little bit. I just don't think that's
Speaker 1: a great spot to be in July twenty ninth. I
Speaker 1: don't think it matters all that much. But not great
Speaker 1: for vibes. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think terrible for vibes. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I think the context that you provided changed my mind,
Speaker 2: and I think it's important context, and I think it
Speaker 2: should change a lot of minds, because at least for me,
Speaker 2: it can't speak for everybody listening, But for me, I
Speaker 2: came in here running to defend Bryce Harper because he's right,
Speaker 2: they do need help. You look at the lineup. They
Speaker 2: have six guys with a WRC plus below ninety five.
Speaker 2: I was going to use one hundred as a qualifier. No,
Speaker 2: all six are below ninety five, meaning six bats in
Speaker 2: the Phillies lineup at the bare minimum are below five
Speaker 2: percent league average offense, and most of them, notably Alec
Speaker 2: Bohm who sits right in the middle seventy eight twenty
Speaker 2: two percently gaverage offense. They have three guys in their
Speaker 2: starting lineup ar them that have a negative.
Speaker 1: War Oh no, yeah, Bryce is right.
Speaker 2: Bryce is right. So when he's asked the question, he
Speaker 2: didn't come out and say, hey, guys, I know you're
Speaker 2: all gathered around me looking to talk about the game,
Speaker 2: but we need help. He was asked about it, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we need help. Duh. So it's the most honest thing
Speaker 2: that he could do. But remembering the beef between him
Speaker 2: and Dombrowski and Bryce, Harper is a very intelligent person.
Speaker 2: So as soon as you said that, I said to myself, yeah,
Speaker 2: he remembers that. Oh he remember, and Don Mattingley's son
Speaker 2: being in the front office. Of course he's going to
Speaker 2: defend him. Yeah, because I thought Don Maddingly's comments were
Speaker 2: pretty harsh, and I thought they were kind of I.
Speaker 1: Think they were a little too harsh to be honest, But.
Speaker 2: Then realizing well, he's defending his son in a way,
Speaker 2: then I'm like, well, then that makes sense. So now
Speaker 2: I think my head is a little bit of a
Speaker 2: blunder a little and.
Speaker 1: I think it's where Bryce is just comfortable. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: if the GM and if the president, if president can
Speaker 1: say whatever he wants about the players, and I can
Speaker 1: say whatever I want about his job. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. I don't hate it. But then
Speaker 1: you also have this conflict of interest where the manager
Speaker 1: is that typically is going to side with the players,
Speaker 1: but also tow the line well or at least just play,
Speaker 1: you know, the middle Groundhile in general is what's very
Speaker 1: specifically siding with his son in the front office. So
Speaker 1: I get it. The last thing I'll mention and this
Speaker 1: is just kind of classic Harper and I love him.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite players to ever watch growing up.
Speaker 1: Super cool but just classic, like he was very visible
Speaker 1: that he's bringing his outfield glove on the road trip
Speaker 1: in case they bring in a first basement. I love
Speaker 1: Harper because he's willing to move and do things like that.
Speaker 1: You could just tell that to your manager, your front office,
Speaker 1: that you don't need to perform. And also if they
Speaker 1: went out and acquired somebody, I promise you they will
Speaker 1: get you your glove immediately, just like that kind of
Speaker 1: like performative stuff is always funny to me and just
Speaker 1: keeps fanning the flame of the Philly media machine. But
Speaker 1: I just thought the exchange with how like how much
Speaker 1: manningly wanted to kind of nip that in the bud
Speaker 1: was that's an I know he's more than an interim
Speaker 1: manager because he's done mattingly, but that was that was
Speaker 1: a little bit for me, Like that was that was
Speaker 1: sharp and he definitely didn't love that. You know, Harper
Speaker 1: had said that. Even though Harper was cued up to
Speaker 1: say it, he could have he could have navigated a
Speaker 1: little bit more carefully.
Speaker 2: The good thing is before you press the record button.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Phillies were winning six to zero. It
Speaker 2: is now six to three over the Marlins, so it
Speaker 2: hasn't affected them in this game yet. And I want
Speaker 2: to focus on what they're going to do with the deadline.
Speaker 2: So let's start with needs. And even though I just
Speaker 2: talked about the offense, is starting pitching arguably a bigger
Speaker 2: need for them. I know that they have three legit starters.
Speaker 2: You have Wheeler, you have Sanchez, and you have Lizardo
Speaker 2: and Lozardo has been really phenomenal this year. Yeap Or.
Speaker 2: He has been a top six pitcher in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: He's pitching to a low three z r. A is
Speaker 2: one of the league leaders in strikeouts. He's a phenomenal three.
Speaker 2: The problem is the four starter is a pitching machine.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to say it as nastily as possible,
Speaker 2: but if I have to turn on my TV and
Speaker 2: watch Aaron Oli give up four homers a game, or
Speaker 2: whoever they fill in at the fifth spot, I get
Speaker 2: upset because I want to watch the Phillies, but I
Speaker 2: don't just want to watch home run Derby on the
Speaker 2: other side. Well, actually that's a lie, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. In terms of them wins, they need offense,
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. And I added both. I
Speaker 2: added a starting pitcher. I also wrote down a center fielder,
Speaker 2: preferably right handed, but then I gave them a left
Speaker 2: handed hitting center fielder because I look at the top
Speaker 2: right handed hitting center fielders. You're not getting set on
Speaker 2: Rafaela from the Red Sox, You're not getting Andy Has
Speaker 2: from the Dodgers, You're not getting Hulu Rodriguez from the Mariners,
Speaker 2: and you're not getting Byron Buxton from the Twins, So
Speaker 2: then who there is? We could say Luis Robert an
Speaker 2: Indivision trade, if there's ever an Indivision.
Speaker 1: Trade, that that would be okay. I think I think
Speaker 1: it would be that one. It's all right, you get
Speaker 1: have Robert for a couple of months, and all right,
Speaker 1: we'll take your DSL Lotto ticket and I'll think either
Speaker 1: team who's in sleep?
Speaker 2: So let me give you the players and then you
Speaker 2: tear the part. You tear it apart. So it's starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: I thought Casey Mice would be a good fit here.
Speaker 2: Casey Mies would be a good fit for anyone, So
Speaker 2: it's pretty much insert your favorite starter wherever centerfield. I
Speaker 2: did go with Dalton Varshow because Dalton Varshow in the
Speaker 2: playoffs last year was awesome. But he's just had a
Speaker 2: horrific year for the Toronto Blue Jays. Maybe a change
Speaker 2: of scenery could help. And he's also a really good
Speaker 2: defender as well. And when you look at the outfield
Speaker 2: defense for Philly, Justin Crawford has a ton of speed,
Speaker 2: but he's a negative war player because the defense hasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily been there. Brandon Marsh is not known for his defense,
Speaker 2: but Luis Robert can certainly play a good center field
Speaker 2: as well. And then I think a high leverage reliever
Speaker 2: is important for Philly with Brad Keller's injury. I know
Speaker 2: a Ryan Kirkring is really solid. Obviously Duran is your closer,
Speaker 2: but if you were to bring in an Adrian Morohone,
Speaker 2: I mean that could really set the Phillies apart. So
Speaker 2: those were the three I picked. Where do you want
Speaker 2: to go from here?
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with the easy like layup. I agree
Speaker 1: is like Morohone because right now you don't and I
Speaker 1: think Alvarado's better than the surface level numbers. It's a Alvarado,
Speaker 1: but right now you just you don't have who's the
Speaker 1: lefty that's going to go get the big strikeout for you,
Speaker 1: Like when you got to go get Otani. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to go get some of those big lefties.
Speaker 1: Who's going to be that guy for you? And Morohan
Speaker 1: would would be that answer, but right now it's it's
Speaker 1: it's Alvarado, who you hope but just hasn't quite been there.
Speaker 1: And then you have tim Mesa. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: got to be better from the left side in that bullpen.
Speaker 1: I feel great about the righties to Ron kirkering Bowl
Speaker 1: and I'm we're good, We're good, We're good. So I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think specifically a lefty for this
Speaker 1: bullpen makes a ton of sense. I think needing a
Speaker 1: starter is is a good shout. I don't think they
Speaker 1: need anybody crazy crazy, like I think it's just got
Speaker 1: to be a solid four starter. This is another team
Speaker 1: where Waka could actually fit this situation pretty well too,
Speaker 1: because like, if it's a must win game, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go to your your you ever pitch game one on
Speaker 1: short rest. But like if you're in the driver's seat
Speaker 1: in the series, you give Walka the ball game four
Speaker 1: and you feel pretty good and your bullpen's good and
Speaker 1: you go from there. But also just to get you
Speaker 1: to the promised land, where I think I I And
Speaker 1: to answer the initial question, I think the hitting, dude,
Speaker 1: I think the bats like I just I see this
Speaker 1: offense go ice cold. Uh And and if if they
Speaker 1: just if the guys at the top aren't hitting like
Speaker 1: good Law, how else are you gonna score? And like
Speaker 1: Brandon Marsh's coming down to earth a little bit, which
Speaker 1: was expected, it's been a great year. But then with
Speaker 1: with him coming down to Earth, it's Schwarber, Harper and
Speaker 1: then who else. You know you're gonna get some good
Speaker 1: abs from Scott. You know JT is gonna compete, But like,
Speaker 1: that's not great. I think they need a right handed
Speaker 1: bat as bad as it's really funny. And this is
Speaker 1: what's fascinating is I think there's a huge overlap in needs.
Speaker 1: I think I could have copy pasted your Braves plan
Speaker 1: for the Phillies, and I think it would have been
Speaker 1: a great plan for them. So gonna be fun for
Speaker 1: the bidding side of things, But I think this team
Speaker 1: might need Taylor Award as bad as anybody because they're
Speaker 1: so left handed heavy. I agree with the Crawford Derek
Speaker 1: Hill or the Crawford situation in center. At least you
Speaker 1: have Derek Hill for the short side of the platoon,
Speaker 1: who can defend with the best of them. Crawford bat's
Speaker 1: ninth and just survives. Who's playing right right now? Gabriel Rinconez,
Speaker 1: you might be right. I think I was focused on
Speaker 1: Cross just because he's so unproven. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if you have Derek Hill, like I think Dak can survive,
Speaker 1: like that's your ninth spot, zero point two war who
Speaker 1: cares and at least he can get on base and
Speaker 1: like steal a bag or something like Taylor Ward.
Speaker 2: I think in left field would be perfect for this team.
Speaker 2: They need that right handed bat or your idea of
Speaker 2: Luis Robert is really interesting. But going back to my
Speaker 2: original point, the reason I said starting pitcher might be
Speaker 2: a bigger priority is although I just kind of trash
Speaker 2: the Phillies offense about how six of them have a
Speaker 2: WRC plus blow ninety five. That includes Trey Turner. You're
Speaker 2: not looking for his replacement, That includes Alec Bohm. I
Speaker 2: don't think you're looking for his replacement. Not anyone includes JT.
Speaker 2: Real Muto. I don't think you're looking for his replacement.
Speaker 2: So with a lot of the guys who have been
Speaker 2: here for a long time that you're not moving off of.
Speaker 2: So really what they need is that cornerile field there
Speaker 2: or center field. But it feels like when you look
Speaker 2: at the rotation, I don't think there is a bounce
Speaker 2: back in coming for Aaron Nola at all. And then
Speaker 2: the five spot is just kind of nonexistent. So that's
Speaker 2: why I thought starting pitcher might, but they need them both, right,
Speaker 2: So what you need more? You need them both and
Speaker 2: you need to make a splash in both areas.
Speaker 1: Which they asked Bryce and they said, hey, which do
Speaker 1: you want and what do you think you need more?
Speaker 1: And he said both? So I know disagree Bryce, You
Speaker 1: good good GM. I think I think for me, when
Speaker 1: I look at this line, I'm like, gosh, they need
Speaker 1: whatever they thought of Doolies could possibly be. They need that,
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be Ward, right, So
Speaker 1: I love Ward here. I don't know if there's any
Speaker 1: other like right handed bats. I don't even think it
Speaker 1: necessarily has to has to be a right handed bat,
Speaker 1: like just a corner outfielder that can help you. I
Speaker 1: think right handed in particular because that's what they want.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if you can
Speaker 1: just upgrade, like if everyone's bidding for the same corner
Speaker 1: outfield bats and you can go get a decent corner
Speaker 1: guy that's a lefty, that's fine too. But I think
Speaker 1: Ward for this team is like the perfect perfect fit.
Speaker 1: But I still agree with you, dude, Like, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna survive and make it through to the to even
Speaker 1: hold onto the wild card spot, like it can't be
Speaker 1: a three headed monster, and then nothing at all after that.
Speaker 1: So I think it's all pretty equal. But the thing
Speaker 1: that stands out the most of me is like, they
Speaker 1: need a right handed hitting outfielder, and if they can't
Speaker 1: do the Robert thing in center, if they don't want
Speaker 1: to roll the dice there, I think Ward fits perfectly.
Speaker 2: And this is a good example for any Orioles fans listening.
Speaker 2: You don't have to completely tear down, you don't have
Speaker 2: to sell everything. You can buy and sell at the
Speaker 2: same time. But Taylor Ward is a piece that I
Speaker 2: think teams are going to overpay for at this point,
Speaker 2: just because right handed hitting is at a premium at
Speaker 2: this deadline, and right handing hitting in the outfield is
Speaker 2: especially at a premium. Let's move over to the Milwaukee
Speaker 2: Brewers and they can have a fascinating deadline because they
Speaker 2: arguably have the best farm system in baseball. I was
Speaker 2: on Sportsnet, the radio station in Canada, and they asked
Speaker 2: me about Trek Scouoble, and I threw out the Brewers
Speaker 2: and I said, I think the Brewers would be doing
Speaker 2: a disservice to themselves by not trading from this glut system.
Speaker 2: It's almost too good. They have the number one system
Speaker 2: in baseball, did they not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, by By, this is one of the best pomp
Speaker 1: systems I've ever seen. Like I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: don't think they have enough forty spots for like when
Speaker 1: all these guys are gonna be real five eligible.
Speaker 2: So here's my plan. Here's my plan. And the Brewers
Speaker 2: are really really good, so they don't need much. Here's
Speaker 2: my plan for them. I want to see them get
Speaker 2: their hands on Emerson Hancock because Emerson Hancock has already made,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of changes, and Seattle can certainly
Speaker 2: develop pitching, but I want to see him with Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: I think Milwaukee could just get a little bit of
Speaker 2: an extra ounce out of him. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: based on nothing except my feelings, and that's just out
Speaker 2: of respect for Milwaukee left handed reliever. I thought Daniel
Speaker 2: Lynch would be interesting comes with a few years of control.
Speaker 2: And then I put third base question mark, and then
Speaker 2: I brought up Blaize Alexander And here's my thought process there,
Speaker 2: because they don't really need a third baseman. You look
Speaker 2: at the full season stats for Joey Ortiz, and you
Speaker 2: say eighty four WRC plus he hasn't really hit, but
Speaker 2: ever since he moved back over to third base, he's
Speaker 2: been a lot better offensively. And Jack actually brought this
Speaker 2: up in a previous show. Joey Ortiz's career splits at
Speaker 2: third base offensively are much better than when he's playing shortstop.
Speaker 2: And thankfully the Brewers now have Cooper Pratt, so you
Speaker 2: don't need to. So here's here's what Matt Arnold should do.
Speaker 2: He calls up Michael Lias and says, is Blaize Alexander available.
Speaker 2: If michael Ia says no, he hangs up the phone.
Speaker 2: If Michaelia says yes, but you're gonna have to overpay
Speaker 2: for him, you hang up the phone. If Michaelia says
Speaker 2: yes and we're willing to talk about a fair offer,
Speaker 2: you hear him out. That's my question. Marks not needed.
Speaker 2: But would Blaze Alexander be an upgrade for them? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: But again it's not needed, And the only reason they
Speaker 2: could do that is just because their farm system is
Speaker 2: so robust, and Blaze Alexander could play anywhere on the diamond,
Speaker 2: so we could give them kind of a utility role. Also,
Speaker 2: besides just playing third base.
Speaker 1: Which is why I actually love them in Baltimore because
Speaker 1: the Orioles have like five players. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the hell is like the deal with them, So like
Speaker 1: Blaze is gonna plug in probably next year wherever that guy. Well,
Speaker 1: also depends on their deadline too, if they end up
Speaker 1: trading you know, a Cowser or they were apparently listening
Speaker 1: on holiday or whoever. Blaze is gonna plug into whatever
Speaker 1: that spot is. But I agree like if you overwhelm,
Speaker 1: then they're gonna listen on it. But with him hurt,
Speaker 1: I think might be tough. It's so crazy because when
Speaker 1: I look at this team, I'm like, what's the obvious
Speaker 1: up raid they need? And it's really hard to find
Speaker 1: a clear spot.
Speaker 2: Other than what I think is high end starting pitcher.
Speaker 1: That's it. That was what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: And like, especially with the injury to Kyle Harrison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're just like plugging schooble every
Speaker 1: This is probably as good of a fit as any
Speaker 1: team I think the Braves and then this team here
Speaker 1: and then maybe the Rais as well, where it's just
Speaker 1: like just do it. But it's so much easier when
Speaker 1: I don't have a job to account for. I think
Speaker 1: it's the high end starting pitcher. Who do you think
Speaker 1: that is for them? If it's not Handcock, Because like,
Speaker 1: let's this is a similar situation where I think they can.
Speaker 1: This is another one where if the Brewers, if they
Speaker 1: ex me, the Mariners are like, hey, we need we
Speaker 1: want a big league bat, and Bruce said, well, we
Speaker 1: can't really give you that, but we can give you like,
Speaker 1: here's a couple of prospects you wouldn't normally be able
Speaker 1: to get right And they're like that, here's a package
Speaker 1: that just people aren't going to match. I think the
Speaker 1: Mariners may shift their course, especially if they drop another
Speaker 1: couple of games here before the deadline. So that would
Speaker 1: be a really fun one and kind of fits their
Speaker 1: bill is still like a guy that's in pre arm
Speaker 1: this year, and they could they could, I think, put
Speaker 1: together a really competitive package if it weren't Handcock. There
Speaker 1: anyone else out there that you think fits for them?
Speaker 1: Because it's again a similar conversation. I don't want an
Speaker 1: innings either.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 1: They can spaw, they spawn those guys they'll bring. They'll
Speaker 1: bring some random dude up that'll give them five innings
Speaker 1: to three runs.
Speaker 2: Well, they've already been in contact with the Mets on
Speaker 2: bringing Freddy Prawl to back, so that's the immediate easy answer.
Speaker 2: But you also got my brain turning. They could take
Speaker 2: their pick of the litter from the Mariner's rotation with
Speaker 2: their farm system or with their big league talent, like
Speaker 2: they can make a huge blockbuster. Maybe it's George Kirby,
Speaker 2: more proven commodity. Maybe it's Gilbert.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because like why, that's why it's nuts
Speaker 1: to me, Like why would they come out and say,
Speaker 1: like essentially like let it get leaked out that they're
Speaker 1: definitely going to trade Emerson Hancock, Like you could have
Speaker 1: left something else out open there for them. I like
Speaker 1: the Foster Griffin shout.
Speaker 2: Just because of a good shout from our YouTube chat
Speaker 2: b gild b G I l g D a good.
Speaker 1: Shout like especially here, I just think he's gonna land
Speaker 1: and sometimes you wonder, like can he keep it rolling?
Speaker 1: I think this is a good spot for him to
Speaker 1: keep it rolling as well. I think Trevor Rodgers a
Speaker 1: good shout from Dawson in the chat as well. I
Speaker 1: think you try to overwhelm for a handcock package. I
Speaker 1: think the unique release and the pitch mix that he has.
Speaker 1: I would love to see what that looks like. And
Speaker 1: with the Brewers as well. If they can't squeeze out more,
Speaker 1: then at least I know that they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to help him maintain it. We know that. I love
Speaker 1: that shout. I don't know what else really they necessarily need,
Speaker 1: unless like a because even with the way Ortiz is defending,
Speaker 1: and and you mentioned how much better he's been, I
Speaker 1: don't see a clear cut, glaring hole. The one that
Speaker 1: probably is for them is the DH spot in Christian Hellich,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna do anything about that exactly.
Speaker 2: I also thought left handed believer is important. Yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of just air. That's a good shout. That's a good shout.
Speaker 1: I would say that's probably another clear area of need
Speaker 1: because you want to be able to you don't want
Speaker 1: to have to pick your spot in the playoffs where
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we got a wave of lefties up now,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna come up again in two three innings,
Speaker 1: so we go now or later, Like you should have
Speaker 1: two different lefties that you will eat, you're comfortable weaponizing,
Speaker 1: and maybe they could do that internally with like Shane Johanen,
Speaker 1: Shorter Spurts or whatever. But it wouldn't be bad to
Speaker 1: have an established lefty reliever in that fold.
Speaker 2: Two and Tom b five five nine four brings us up.
Speaker 2: Knig isn't coming back. Yeah, a left handed reliever would
Speaker 2: be nice. I totally agree with you. So I think
Speaker 2: in short for Milwaukee, swing big on a starting pitcher,
Speaker 2: swing big, swing for Trek Skouble right, shoot for the stars,
Speaker 2: land on the moon. And if you land in Emerson Hancock,
Speaker 2: if you landed Trevor Rodgers, if you land a Foster Griffin,
Speaker 2: a Freddie Peralta, all are solid. We just need to
Speaker 2: bring in one more big time starter. I don't want
Speaker 2: a depth guy. You have forty of them. I want
Speaker 2: a big time starter. And then a cannon reliever would
Speaker 2: be nice. You don't got to go get more hone,
Speaker 2: but a Daniel Lynch with years control, young reliever, I
Speaker 2: think would be a great fit. And then you can
Speaker 2: call the Oils see what Blakes Alexander is doing. If
Speaker 2: he says anything that you don't like, just hang up
Speaker 2: because you only take them unless it's perfect, and the
Speaker 2: Orioles aren't going to trade him unless it probably doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that, and I think the Hancock
Speaker 1: thing makes a lot of sense because it's like it
Speaker 1: doesn't fit the Brewers moltipically to go rental. You got
Speaker 1: a guy who's like, it's still in pre arm So
Speaker 1: you got to convert some of these prospects into controllable
Speaker 1: big league talent at the very least. Could be a
Speaker 1: great spot to do it. Also, by the way, the
Speaker 1: Marlins just tied it up with the Phillies six to
Speaker 1: six in the bottom of the seven. Oh, we should
Speaker 1: ask Rice again after this one a big boy if
Speaker 1: he thinks they need help.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, Phillies, you gotta win this one. Are the
Speaker 2: Philly media is gonna be all over you, all right.
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Speaker 2: So the Cubs are one of six teams currently at
Speaker 2: sixty wins. They've had a great season and arm I
Speaker 2: don't want to touch this offense with a ten foot pull.
Speaker 2: This offense is basically perfect. I got I don't need
Speaker 2: a right handed hitting corner outfielder. I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: They got two catchers who I like, their infield is
Speaker 2: really solid. Their outfield is led by PCA, who's probably
Speaker 2: gonna win the MVP. If you've seen the odds on
Speaker 2: bet MGM, it's close to even money on PC. He
Speaker 2: has fully caught up to show hey Tani, and he
Speaker 2: leads him by a full win per f war. So
Speaker 2: it makes all the sense of the world, especially with
Speaker 2: Otani dealing with a knee injury and now a bicep injury.
Speaker 2: He's on this seven for thirty eight slide right now
Speaker 2: at the plate and on the mound. He's not pitching,
Speaker 2: so PCA could absolutely win the MVP. So in short,
Speaker 2: offense needs absolutely nothing. However, we need pitching, and we
Speaker 2: need pitching bad. So I think the three key needs
Speaker 2: here for the Cubs is a high end starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: I don't want depth. I want a high end starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: I want a high end reliever, And I also want
Speaker 2: another reliever doesn't have to be high end, but should
Speaker 2: be at least pretty solid. My question to you, because
Speaker 2: I assume you agree with that, do you think the
Speaker 2: another starting pitcher.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Colin Rays is hit a wall. I mean,
Speaker 1: boy boyd is healthy and good like, and I think
Speaker 1: he's just proven that he's going to this point, it's
Speaker 1: been a nice year from showed up. But like, I
Speaker 1: think you need a couple of righties in particular too,
Speaker 1: Like you went out and you jump the market with
Speaker 1: David Peterson, and I think that was a great plug.
Speaker 1: The leak, like let's survive right now is the seasons
Speaker 1: like Forbly slipping away. But that's that's a guy that
Speaker 1: I think down the stretch, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: you want him really pitching every every fifth day. So
Speaker 1: I think he's more of an insurance policy. So for me,
Speaker 1: I think I think they need they could need two
Speaker 1: starters here and then the second one doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be the sexiest in the world. But the other part
Speaker 1: too is like you're gonna get Cabrera back, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the timeline is. I mean, actually know I
Speaker 1: have a rehab assignment on Friday, So if Cabrera looks good,
Speaker 1: then maybe one does that. What does that change for you?
Speaker 2: It changes things? Yeah, to a point, because what were
Speaker 2: we talking about with the Braves that these guys need
Speaker 2: to come back from injury and be ready to start
Speaker 2: a playoff game. Is Edward Cabrera the type of guy
Speaker 2: that you feel good about starting a playoff game depends.
Speaker 1: It depends when he's on, Like I think he sees,
Speaker 1: you know, you can throw with the best of them,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't been his best year this year. He's
Speaker 1: coming off of a hammy. Yeah, I would want him
Speaker 1: to kind of be Obviously he's way more talented than
Speaker 1: a five, but i'd want him to be like that.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, that's our five guy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you could say one and a half and
Speaker 1: say I definitely there needs to be an impact guy
Speaker 1: and then if the opportunity presents itself for like, I
Speaker 1: don't again, I don't think they need anything crazy, but
Speaker 1: just just a solid rental writing. I think it can
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 2: On top of that, and Ben Brown is due to
Speaker 2: be back this season. We got this comment in our
Speaker 2: YouTube live section from Jack three to three one one.
Speaker 2: Ben Brown is symptom free and working back. The latest
Speaker 2: report I checked was that he is working back. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen symptom free. I'm assuming he's going to be
Speaker 2: back this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like it's like, oh, he's thrown with like plyioballs,
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, okay, I do. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know you hope so.
Speaker 2: But he's super talented too.
Speaker 1: It's showed the same him. Yeah, echo the same sentiment.
Speaker 1: Copy paste what we've said with some of these other teams,
Speaker 1: Like can you count on that? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think Cabrera is the most realistic. It was a
Speaker 1: hammy thing, and like I'll be back in this week
Speaker 1: going to rehab, and like we'll have plenty of runway
Speaker 1: to get right and at least, you know, we can
Speaker 1: plug into that rotation the next couple of weeks. I
Speaker 1: think you at least need one. But how much do
Speaker 1: you like David Peterson and Colin right? Anyway, so you
Speaker 1: could say two and if Ben Brown comes back right,
Speaker 1: you can figure it out then.
Speaker 2: And to be fair to the Cubs, they came in
Speaker 2: with a pretty good starting pitching plan. When Kate Horton
Speaker 2: goes down and then Ben Brown goes down and Edward
Speaker 2: Cabrera goes down, and you were hoping Justin Steele was
Speaker 2: going to be able to make it back. You had
Speaker 2: a set back, and then you had tie On who
Speaker 2: had a really rough year, right, you had Boyd you
Speaker 2: had showed us, so they had guys can't really blame
Speaker 2: them when half their rotation goes down. So again, this
Speaker 2: is not the fault of Jed Hoyer or anything. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, Jed Hoyer has to act. So
Speaker 2: here's my plan for the Chicago Cubs. I like Kevin Gosman,
Speaker 2: I like the fit I do, and then I think
Speaker 2: a cool trade with the Mets could be getting both
Speaker 2: Luke Weaver and Huascar Braso Bond. But really these are
Speaker 2: just placeholder names for the Cubs. Happy to let you
Speaker 2: tear into it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they need a starter, they need bullpen arms, maybe they
Speaker 2: need to star. So again, those are just names that
Speaker 2: the Cubs could trade for. They have the system to
Speaker 2: do it. I like the fit, but I like to
Speaker 2: fit for a lot of pitchers for them.
Speaker 1: This is another one where the hand like we pitched
Speaker 1: Hancock to another team, could fit really well here, depending
Speaker 1: on what the Mariners ultimately want to do and if
Speaker 1: they feel like they still got a you know, a
Speaker 1: real shot at this season. I think the Shaw, assuming
Speaker 1: Matt Shaw is healthy, the Shaw plus package for Emerson
Speaker 1: Hancock can make a lot of sense. Shot crushes lefties
Speaker 1: can plug all over the diamond is just a really
Speaker 1: solid ballplayer, and assuming that he's able to get back
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, I think that's a guy that
Speaker 1: you feel I could help them and for the Mariners,
Speaker 1: like even if they hit a wall, like okay, you
Speaker 1: got match on next year, in the year after that,
Speaker 1: and the year after that and the year after that.
Speaker 1: So I think that is a fun matchup, and it
Speaker 1: just seems like it's been kind of an obvious one
Speaker 1: for a while. Cubs will probably have to add a
Speaker 1: little bit more on top of that, but that's one
Speaker 1: that I just can't escape as well, because Hancock would
Speaker 1: help them now and later big time, and at least
Speaker 1: for the Mariners, it wouldn't be a fully waving the
Speaker 1: white flag. Plus they get farmed, you know, some some
Speaker 1: farm pieces as well, and it's not like I think
Speaker 1: the Mariners are. I think they're looking for bats more
Speaker 1: than than arms, even on the prospect side. So that's
Speaker 1: one that I can't escape because of what Shaw fills
Speaker 1: for the Mariners short and long term. And then you
Speaker 1: know what the Cubs would be able to get with Hancock,
Speaker 1: and that might be the most impactful arm that they
Speaker 1: add there, you know, somebody shout out Trevor Rodgers in
Speaker 1: the chat, could you go with a four lefties? I
Speaker 1: guess he would be like supplanting Peterson, But I think
Speaker 1: they need righties bad me too, and so I think
Speaker 1: you get you get, you get Cabrera back. Then it's
Speaker 1: who's the other righty? I love Hancock is target number one,
Speaker 1: But the question just becomes does Shaw and other prospects work,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Mariners, or do they just get
Speaker 1: a better offer for Hancock who teams might get overwhelmed
Speaker 1: them because if the Brewers come in with two top
Speaker 1: one hundred guys and a couple like good other pieces too,
Speaker 1: I might have to just say yes to that from
Speaker 1: an organizational health standpoint.
Speaker 2: So I don't think the Padres are going to trade
Speaker 2: Mason Miller at this point, But do you think it
Speaker 2: would be a better plan for them to swing big
Speaker 2: on a starter and get solid bullpen arms or take
Speaker 2: a big swing on Mason Miller and overpay, because that's
Speaker 2: the only reason Miller is going to get moved and
Speaker 2: then get a solid rental starter like a Robbie Ray
Speaker 2: or I think even like a Kevin Gosman. At this point,
Speaker 2: considering that he's been struggling right, which direction do you
Speaker 2: think is best for the Cubs. The reason I asked
Speaker 2: the question is the Cubs have kind of been piecing
Speaker 2: together a bullpen for a while. When's the last time
Speaker 2: they had a true lockdown closer? And I know Cubs
Speaker 2: fans are going to say, well, Daniel Plentcia is and
Speaker 2: I agree when he's on the mound, but how many
Speaker 2: times has he been off the mound due to injury?
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that consistent beast that ends games at
Speaker 2: eight innings. They haven't had that in as long as
Speaker 2: I can remember. And then you get Miller for three
Speaker 2: and a half years. Like I remember watching Miller in
Speaker 2: the playoffs last year at Wrigley and Cubs fans are
Speaker 2: looking across the aisle at each other being like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this is a freight trade driving through Wrigly. Imagine, yeah,
Speaker 2: him on the Cubs. So that's the only reason I
Speaker 2: asked the question.
Speaker 1: That's a fun one because the Cubs have a lot
Speaker 1: of really good prospect bats as well, but also like
Speaker 1: upper miners, guys that I think the Padres would love
Speaker 1: to acquire and throw out there, like it would be
Speaker 1: a kind of short and long term help, where like
Speaker 1: you could plug Kevin Alcantra immediately into the outfield just
Speaker 1: hope he gets hot. But then also the Cubs prospects
Speaker 1: that they have offensively, Like I know they don't want
Speaker 1: to trade like a Josiah hart Schorn or Owen a
Speaker 1: Ors or some of these other guys that have really
Speaker 1: really broken out. But man, if you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to turn the game into eight innings for yourself, it's
Speaker 1: a really good way to hedge of starting rotation when
Speaker 1: you basically just make the game an ending shorter with
Speaker 1: Mason Miller. So I mean, if Hartshorn's leading the way
Speaker 1: and you've got a couple other pieces, as much as
Speaker 1: it would hurt for Cubs fans, like this is a
Speaker 1: rare opportunity, and then Cubs fans being able to see
Speaker 1: like somebody like Miller every day at home or you know,
Speaker 1: every every day that you have an opportunity to save
Speaker 1: a game. I know the Cubs kind of view Hartshorn
Speaker 1: is untouchable, but that could be the guy that changes
Speaker 1: things for you. I would love to see them do that.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's it's very Hoyer coded with
Speaker 1: how careful they already are to do that for a reliever,
Speaker 1: and how much they've just seemed to just be kind
Speaker 1: of like nothing. They don't value the bullpen, but don't
Speaker 1: seem to see it as an important area to funnel assets.
Speaker 1: So for me, I think it's it's rental starters for
Speaker 1: the most part. If they can't land handcock. I love
Speaker 1: the Gosman shout, though they need a vet that's been there,
Speaker 1: done that in the playoffs. I like that boy has
Speaker 1: been there and if you're not going to get like
Speaker 1: a star, get that vet that's been there, done that.
Speaker 1: I think Gosmin's a great fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Gosman and it could a couple of
Speaker 2: good relief and you call it a deadline, or they
Speaker 2: could go big. They could go big swinging. Let's go
Speaker 2: over to the Pittsburgh Pirates and arm. This one is
Speaker 2: gonna be quicker just because it's extremely straightforward, very straightforward.
Speaker 2: I don't think they need a starter. I know that
Speaker 2: the starting rotation hasn't been great, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: the sense of, are you then going to kick out
Speaker 2: Bubba Chandler? Would that be the plan? When he's the five?
Speaker 2: You're not kicking out, Mitch Keller, are you I know,
Speaker 2: Braxton Ashcraft is having a rough like month or so,
Speaker 2: but you're not kicking him out. And then obviously you're
Speaker 2: not doing anything with Skeins or Jones, so I don't
Speaker 2: think we need to add a starter. And then I
Speaker 2: look at the lineup arm This team ranks third in ops. Yep,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get back Connor Griffin in September. They're gonna
Speaker 2: get back Spencer Horowitz and O'Neal Cruz sooner than that.
Speaker 2: I don't see an area of need. Offensively, let's go
Speaker 2: swing at some bullpen arms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that's a clear need. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's clear.
Speaker 1: Need, abundantly clear, like the most obvious need for them.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on the rotation. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: live and die by that group, I think, And that's
Speaker 1: fine and I'll sign up for that. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Keller is coming off of better outing, and
Speaker 1: if you make the playoffs, Keller doesn't matter, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's her five. Presumably Bubba is the big X
Speaker 1: factor there. But to your point, I like that the
Speaker 1: Pirates have been very focused on this year. But At
Speaker 1: the same time, that's one of those areas with Bubba
Speaker 1: Channel where I'm like, I'm okay, looking at the big
Speaker 1: picture and saying, this guy just needs to keep throwing
Speaker 1: and finding it. So uh, And again that's another guy
Speaker 1: that in the playoffs matters a little bit less because
Speaker 1: you'd be going skiings Ashcraft Jones and then ride the
Speaker 1: hot hand on a short leash. So get whatever bullpen
Speaker 1: arms you freaking can and as many as you can
Speaker 1: and go from there. I think that's the clear, clear
Speaker 1: cut play for them.
Speaker 2: So I could ask about Mason Miller, of course, but
Speaker 2: I just I want to be realistic and I just
Speaker 2: don't feel like the Pirates are going to go that
Speaker 2: big fish hunting God, it would be awesome if they did,
Speaker 2: and I hope they do. I think it's more likely
Speaker 2: than not they're going to live in this range, which
Speaker 2: is still a really solid range. So here's my plan.
Speaker 2: Riley O'Brien from the Cardinals. It's had a solid season,
Speaker 2: but I think and I was talking to Hambo when
Speaker 2: I made my trade article again for the Yankees, and
Speaker 2: he made a good point. Riley O'Brien comes with the
Speaker 2: years of control he's got twenty six saves. He was
Speaker 2: an All Star, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: he's rocking a mid threes era with about mid threes
Speaker 2: to high threes peripherals and he's thirty one. Models don't
Speaker 2: love thirty one year old relievers, is what he said,
Speaker 2: and it makes all the sense in the world. So
Speaker 2: I think maybe teams that are more model oriented that
Speaker 2: are looking for the high end stuff guy who's far
Speaker 2: less proven, are going to go and maybe even pay
Speaker 2: more for some guys without the track record that Riley
Speaker 2: O'Brien has. For the Pirates, I want a reliever with
Speaker 2: a track record. I want a reliever who I just
Speaker 2: feel solid about, and I feel like Riley O'Brien is
Speaker 2: the definition of that. And my second move is for
Speaker 2: Kirby Yates, who has been just pretty solid as long
Speaker 2: as he's healthy for the Angels this season, another guy
Speaker 2: who has been there, done that, pitched to a mid threes.
Speaker 2: Those are the type of bullpen arms that I think
Speaker 2: the Pirates should be targeting, and funny enough, I think
Speaker 2: they're going to be cheaper than other bullpen arms, so
Speaker 2: I think the Pirates can really knock it out of
Speaker 2: the park here.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. By the way, Griff just had
Speaker 1: a pinch hit two run Homer to take the lead
Speaker 1: eight to six off of Johnson Bolan. No Marlin's out
Speaker 1: of the lead eight six.
Speaker 2: First of all, that's awesome. Second of all, do we
Speaker 2: actually need a righty reliever instead of Bowlan now?
Speaker 1: Yeh know? To eight to six? Or do we need
Speaker 1: to fit the Marlins back in as buyers? Are they
Speaker 1: going to change their mind?
Speaker 2: You tell me.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I think they will be
Speaker 1: less likely to sell. Holy crap, that is crazy. I
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said. One issue with the amount
Speaker 1: of control that Riley O'Brien has. Would they trade him
Speaker 1: in division?
Speaker 2: The only reason I say yes is it's a reliever.
Speaker 2: If it was a key offensive piece, if it was
Speaker 2: a key starter, probably not. I think relievers are fine.
Speaker 1: If they get you, they get the best deal is
Speaker 1: I mean, we even saw it with like in general.
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on the team. But I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about heind Bloom. I think he's very return oriented, the
Speaker 1: way with the Rays and the Orioles. Like the Rays
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about trading Shane bas and division
Speaker 1: if if the return was ample, so I like that shout.
Speaker 1: There just might be a little bit of a tax there,
Speaker 1: But that said, he might be the most impactful arm
Speaker 1: that you can add with control that isn't going to
Speaker 1: cost you, even with the tach intra division tax. That
Speaker 1: isn't gonna cost you anything to to to insane. So
Speaker 1: I like that shout a lot. They're at a spot
Speaker 1: too where like almost any arm. And also, by the way,
Speaker 1: we probably should have shouted this out with a couple
Speaker 1: of the other teams. I like Clay Holmes to the Cubs.
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention that before I trow. I like
Speaker 1: Holmes if he's throwing, well, I like Holmes a lot
Speaker 1: as a fit to the Cubs.
Speaker 2: I had Clay Holmes for a team later. So, but yes,
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes absolutely could be for any of these teams,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 1: That was a crazy, sporadic, intrusive thought. But the Pirate
Speaker 1: situation is so dire, dude, that it's just like in
Speaker 1: terms of the bullpen, anybody pick it. I'm in on
Speaker 1: whoever you put into that bullpen. And I think the
Speaker 1: one thing that they don't need as bad is a
Speaker 1: left he I think they could always use one, But
Speaker 1: like once you push Sodo potentially down. That's the other
Speaker 1: thing too, is maybe a guy that can actually close
Speaker 1: ball games out. And that's why I leaned towards you
Speaker 1: know what you were saying with O'Brien, Could they pull
Speaker 1: off the Luke Weaver thing? Could they do that?
Speaker 2: They could?
Speaker 1: So, I think the returns would be similar, which would
Speaker 1: cost money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you rather have Luke Weaver or Riley O'Brien.
Speaker 2: Riley O'Brien's cheaper, and he's the one with twenty six
Speaker 2: saves this year, and Luke Weaver has experienced closing. I
Speaker 2: just think he's sneaky, gonna be more expensive to buy.
Speaker 2: Am I crazy for that? Oho Weaver or O'Brien Weaver
Speaker 2: Weaver over O'Brien, But I feel like O'Brien actually answers
Speaker 2: a better question for the Pirates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting one. I I the problem is
Speaker 1: for a team that clearly like is apprehensive of adding
Speaker 1: a ton of payroll, probably is gonna make Weaver even
Speaker 1: more difficult to justify than the prospector turn as well.
Speaker 1: So Brian's probably more realistic. And yeah, you got to
Speaker 1: overpay a little bit in division, Probably not the end
Speaker 1: of the world. I think again, the Cardinals will be
Speaker 1: fine with that if you give them the right return.
Speaker 1: Who else could like close games for you, because even
Speaker 1: if it's not fully supplanting Soto, I think this needs
Speaker 1: to be a closer by committee situation, especially if you're
Speaker 1: making it to the play.
Speaker 2: I'm Riley O'Brien. We have our answer.
Speaker 1: It wasn't O'Brien. Is there anybody else?
Speaker 2: Kirby Yates?
Speaker 1: I mean, Kirby has the experience doing it.
Speaker 2: He has the experience doing it, and you know, like
Speaker 2: if they got Morehone, I mean Morehone could obviously close
Speaker 2: throwing his ninety nine to mil hour bowling balls. And
Speaker 2: he is a rental, so I think he would be
Speaker 2: in the realm of possibility for the Pirates. But now
Speaker 2: that Chapman is off the shelf, you know, the Ashers
Speaker 2: are not selling, so it's not hater either. The Twins
Speaker 2: don't even have a reliever to sell. They're going to
Speaker 2: be buying the Royals. I mean, I was watching Alex
Speaker 2: Lange just give up nukes to the Twins yesterday. He's
Speaker 2: not the answer, Like I'm just going through all the sellers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and again, maybe the Orioles want to part with Rico Garcia,
Speaker 2: but I just think Riley O'Brien is such a perfect
Speaker 2: fit for them.
Speaker 1: One more shout, assuming they'd end up selling, and this
Speaker 1: would be a spot to probably sell Jeff Hoffman potentially. Yep,
Speaker 1: you got to pay him, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: as bad. Jeff Hoffman would be a fun high ceiling edition.
Speaker 1: I forgot that's been shaky but just so nasty.
Speaker 2: Is Hoffman a free agent at season's end.
Speaker 1: No, I think he's owed eleven million next year as well.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't include him thinking back, because I
Speaker 2: just don't think the Blue Jays are actually going to
Speaker 2: kind of do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do agree with that Jo million til and
Speaker 1: a half next year, So probably not.
Speaker 2: This roster went to the World Series last year. They
Speaker 2: just had a really bad season, like they're going to
Speaker 2: come back next year and probably add I think this
Speaker 2: is more of a you know, they might trade Springer
Speaker 2: free agent seasons, and I think the only players they
Speaker 2: sell unless they get overblown by somebody, is inspiring contracts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. So but whoever you could
Speaker 1: freaking get, just get reliefs, get relief help.
Speaker 2: And the Dodgers are up next. Playing general manager for
Speaker 2: the Dodgers is probably the easiest task in all of
Speaker 2: baseball because here's my deadline plan for them. Marrow Terrek
Speaker 2: schoo Ball, that's it. This bullpen is outrageously good, and
Speaker 2: it's getting back Edwin Diaz. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: was talking about Dodger friends and they were like, we
Speaker 2: should trade away Kyle Tucker. Like that's where they're at, right,
Speaker 2: So they just have an embarrassment of riches. And they
Speaker 2: even said, well what about shortstop and second base? And
Speaker 2: I was like, you guys are so spoiled. You have
Speaker 2: Mooky Bets and Tommy Edmond. It's just Mookie's not having
Speaker 2: the best season. So they're looking for places to add,
Speaker 2: and deservedly so. But looking at the Dodgers situation, they
Speaker 2: don't even really need a starter. Where is River Ryan
Speaker 2: by the way, why has he not been called up?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? And then just going
Speaker 2: back to the bullpen real quick. Once you have your
Speaker 2: playoff rotation, let's say you don't even get Schooble and
Speaker 2: you have Yamamoto, o Tani, Snullglass now Rokies also in
Speaker 2: the bullpen, so you really don't need a bullpen arm.
Speaker 2: You don't need anything on offense, and you're gonna get
Speaker 2: Will Smith back eventually at some point too. But Dalton
Speaker 2: rushing is perfectly fine in the meantime. You don't even
Speaker 2: really need Schooble. But at the same time, if you
Speaker 2: go get Schooble, we might as well stop podcasting for
Speaker 2: the rest.
Speaker 1: Well, the crazy part too, is like they really don't
Speaker 1: need it, and you have this susak like of late
Speaker 1: unless I'm I'm did he have a bad start in
Speaker 1: between the last several I've watched, like where he's just
Speaker 1: been NPB Sasaki over the last time.
Speaker 2: Yes, earlier in the month he did, but the last
Speaker 2: two he's been NPB Sasaki.
Speaker 1: He's like he's averaging, you know, closer to the triple
Speaker 1: digits with the fastball. The command is all the way back,
Speaker 1: like and even that that's something. From the last three starts,
Speaker 1: the command has been there. This has been unbelievable. So
Speaker 1: if whatever Sasaki found, if he's continuing to be this
Speaker 1: as well. My one thing with the Dodgers is this,
Speaker 1: if they do believe, and I don't think a ton
Speaker 1: of teams are operating under the like fear of what
Speaker 1: could happen with the CBA, though I think some a
Speaker 1: little bit more than others. If the Dodgers believe that
Speaker 1: there is a chance at a salary cap here, the
Speaker 1: one way that they can continue to maintain their you know,
Speaker 1: well one, I don't know how they would enforce alve that,
Speaker 1: But the other way that they can maintain their dominance
Speaker 1: over the league is the other thing that they are
Speaker 1: really good at besides having money, which is the ridiculous
Speaker 1: amount of talent that they have in their farm system.
Speaker 1: So if there was ever a time to not make
Speaker 1: that like that model screaming know what you trade, it
Speaker 1: might be now for the Dodgers, who have done that
Speaker 1: so many times over the last few years, and maybe
Speaker 1: find themselves in a spot where they want to kind
Speaker 1: of maintain the prospect talent that they have. I thought
Speaker 1: it was fascinating that Katie Wu mentioned that with the
Speaker 1: outfield prospects that they have, they are they're actually looking
Speaker 1: to potentially trade one of those top end outfield prospects
Speaker 1: for more prospects. So it's like, which I thought was fascinating, Like,
Speaker 1: that's my only thing is do they say, well, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna cap us, well, then we're just going
Speaker 1: to flex our you know, talent muscles on you. In
Speaker 1: terms of all of the ridiculous prospects and an organizational
Speaker 1: depth that we have.
Speaker 2: I actually think that's so disrespectful. And here's what I
Speaker 2: mean by that. The Dodgers are so good that you
Speaker 2: can't put them in the buyer or seller category like
Speaker 2: the other teams. They're like, we do mega trades where
Speaker 2: we either get Trek Scooble or we trade one of
Speaker 2: our four top ten outfield prospects for other prospects. Like
Speaker 2: we aren't in the normal, the normy category that you
Speaker 2: guys all are a buying and selling. We're on a
Speaker 2: different planet where we trade prospects for other prospects because
Speaker 2: that's where we're.
Speaker 1: At and we'll win that one too. Like it's just
Speaker 1: it's that's where it's nuts, so nuts. That's where I
Speaker 1: just wonder, like I agree, like if they want to
Speaker 1: just go wrap this thing up, they can do that,
Speaker 1: uh and go that's the obvious area for upgrade. I
Speaker 1: would say one other would maybe be a little bit
Speaker 1: of relief help They obviously always but you could say
Speaker 1: that with anybody.
Speaker 2: I did not really a place who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: There's seventeen games above five hundred. They're eleven and a
Speaker 2: half up of the day.
Speaker 1: That's why I think they call, they make an offer
Speaker 1: if some other team gets reckless on it. Like, I
Speaker 1: just don't know if this is going to be the
Speaker 1: year where the Dodgers say, just because we can, we're
Speaker 1: going to outbid everybody because they don't necessarily need to.
Speaker 2: I do think they kind of need a starter. And
Speaker 2: you might be right about schoobl but remember what we
Speaker 2: talked about about injuries Otani. We have no idea if
Speaker 2: he's going to be fully okay. We have no idea
Speaker 2: if Blake Snell is going to be fully okay. We
Speaker 2: have no idea of Tyler Glashan is gonna be fully okay.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: I do think they need a starter. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they have to get Scooble, but I think a starter
Speaker 2: would be very helpful for them.
Speaker 1: That's that's very fair. And also a lot of these
Speaker 1: reports came out before Otani kind of hit this this
Speaker 1: wall health wise, so I agree. So if it's not
Speaker 1: school bull, who is it, who cares? Yeah, just any anyone.
Speaker 2: You can say Hancock, you could say Freddy, you could
Speaker 2: say Gosman, you could say Rodgers, you could they could
Speaker 2: make a big Foster Griffin is a great one. Like
Speaker 2: they could do whatever they want. They could you do
Speaker 2: a lefty alrighty, yeah, that makes sense to me. So
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Speaker 2: Playing general manager for the Arizona Diamondbacks, arm let's give
Speaker 2: them a perfect deadline, and I want to start with
Speaker 2: their needs, which they sneaky have a lot of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the Diamondbacks, but they have some needs, and
Speaker 2: I think the number one need. Eh. I don't even
Speaker 2: actually think it makes sense to rank them. These are
Speaker 2: just their four needs. I would like a first base
Speaker 2: DH type right now. Adrian del Castillo is their DH
Speaker 2: and he's been forty percent below the league average hitter,
Speaker 2: and Tim Tawa has been nice in Spurts twenty percent
Speaker 2: below league average offense. That's an area they need to address.
Speaker 2: I also think they need an outfielder outside of Corby
Speaker 2: and Carroll in right field, centerfield and left field has
Speaker 2: been a little bit shaky as Ryan Walshman really has
Speaker 2: not taken that next step offensively. I think they need
Speaker 2: a high end starting pitcher. I love you Rod, but
Speaker 2: with the injuries to Gallen, you know, Kelly is fine,
Speaker 2: then it's and Brandon Fott has looked a lot better.
Speaker 2: But I would like an elite starting pitcher here, or
Speaker 2: at least a high end one high end.
Speaker 1: It's been awesome since coming back though.
Speaker 2: It's been great, absolutely, and it's really cool too because
Speaker 2: I remember when he first got called up. He was
Speaker 2: a guy that you really liked. He led the minor
Speaker 2: leagues and strikeouts and then it's just had kind of
Speaker 2: a rough go of it. But it's a good example
Speaker 2: of why these young guys the development is not always linear.
Speaker 2: Some guys go up and down and then they finally
Speaker 2: find it and they take off. And that could be
Speaker 2: what we're seeing from Brandon Fought. However, I don't think
Speaker 2: the Diamonbacks can bank on that, considering Brandon Fott has
Speaker 2: given the Diamondbacks really good streaks before and.
Speaker 1: Then fell back the phenomenon in the playoffs for them.
Speaker 2: Exactly, so they can't just bank on Okay, Brandon Fott
Speaker 2: is going to do this for the rest of the
Speaker 2: year if they truly want to agree. And last, but
Speaker 2: not least, is just a left handed reliever because you
Speaker 2: look at their bullpen right now, it's been solid and
Speaker 2: personally I would like to take Paul Sewell out of
Speaker 2: the closer spot, but really I just need a left
Speaker 2: handed reliever.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with those four needs one hundred percent?
Speaker 1: Because this is we can circle back have the same
Speaker 1: conversation AJ Puck should be back, but can't fully bank
Speaker 1: on that, and especially him in his history to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Justin Martinez also should be back.
Speaker 1: While welcome that it's not gonna be like, oh no,
Speaker 1: what do we do with this other reliever we acquired now,
Speaker 1: because you'll still be in a good spot. And I
Speaker 1: think this Diamondback's bullpen has been is far exceeded any expectations.
Speaker 1: Big credit totorry LEVELO, and I think just in general,
Speaker 1: the teams just plan and deploying guys in spots where
Speaker 1: they could succeed because all these guys are out performing
Speaker 1: I think their abilities and maybe some of the peripherals.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they need help because that might normalize starting
Speaker 1: pitchings where it just jumps out to me, I like
Speaker 1: fought now. I think I've seen enough where this guy
Speaker 1: can be the in the rotation rest of the way.
Speaker 1: But who's the guy that you trust You're gonna get
Speaker 1: Burns back maybe with two starts or three starts to
Speaker 1: make at the end of the season. Can't camp on
Speaker 1: yep Soroka. I think you can count on it as
Speaker 1: like a strained glute, so we'll be back. But even then,
Speaker 1: you still really need a starter. And I think Nelson
Speaker 1: when he comes back from injury, might be better in
Speaker 1: a middle relief role. Anyways, I think I think they're
Speaker 1: but they really need a left handed bat. That might
Speaker 1: be as bad as anything too. I think you circle
Speaker 1: the pitching, but like they need a left handed bat
Speaker 1: in that lineup. It's Corbyn Carroll, Max keupboy started to
Speaker 1: pick up obviously coming off with the suspension. But they
Speaker 1: need a lefty bat because that's it. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: delcas Cio. He just hasn't been there.
Speaker 2: And I got the perfect option for him. So here's
Speaker 2: my plan for the Arizona Diamonbacks to crush this deadline.
Speaker 2: Their first base outfield solution. Luis Garcia with the Washington
Speaker 2: Nationals love the fit in Arizona outfielder. I gave him
Speaker 2: another left handed bat with JJ Blude play good left field,
Speaker 2: solid solid bats out of the lineup. Their high end
Speaker 2: started picture option Freddy Pralta. Again, I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: placing names, you know. And then they're left handed reliever
Speaker 2: Hogan Harris of the Sacramento Athletics. He's having a pretty
Speaker 2: solid season. He has experienced closing games. Paul Seawald continues
Speaker 2: to really really struggle, like Harris could become your closer.
Speaker 2: But at the same time he addresses that left handed
Speaker 2: reliever need. Could the Dambacks do all of this though
Speaker 2: it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. I think they're gonna swing big and
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean like, you know, go get Mason Miller,
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna They're gonna push a lot
Speaker 1: of chips forward here and they just want again, as
Speaker 1: with the game, just in it. They just beat the Pirates,
Speaker 1: so they're they're now gaining on the Phillies assuming the
Speaker 1: Marlins hold on. But I wouldn't assume that we will
Speaker 1: probably still be recording while Pete Fairbanks comes in, so
Speaker 1: we'll find out. But uh, I think this is a
Speaker 1: Dbacks team that now you know, you tell my keys
Speaker 1: and your five plus over five hundred going into the
Speaker 1: deadline time, Like, I think he's gonna be aggressive from everything.
Speaker 1: I would just believe from what we've seen from him
Speaker 1: in the past. What does that look like? I think
Speaker 1: probably something like that. I think the Garcia, I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a no brainer for them because he
Speaker 1: can plug in at first base for you, but he
Speaker 1: could also, you know, just just jump into the DH
Speaker 1: spot as well until you can mix and match from there.
Speaker 1: I think that's the no brainer. B Locklier can take
Speaker 1: short platoon if you want a little bit. He's been
Speaker 1: doing all right out of the gate. The pitching is
Speaker 1: the interesting part. How big do they swing? And I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna try for something bigger there. So let's
Speaker 1: who do you think is the best fit for them?
Speaker 1: Starting wise? I think Freddy Perolta gives him the highest ceiling,
Speaker 1: and I like.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I was going for, because I think
Speaker 2: they should go big swing hunting rather than a Gosman
Speaker 2: or a Waka or actually Gosman kind of fits in
Speaker 2: the Freddy Pearlta bucket. But the upside of Freddy Peralta
Speaker 2: intrigues me because I think, if we're going to go
Speaker 2: for it, let's get a rental with some upside. That's
Speaker 2: why I fit in Freddy Peralta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think that's the way you go, because, look,
Speaker 1: you're trying to make a run in the playoffs. Here,
Speaker 1: you have a team that could the d Backs just
Speaker 1: they outperform what you see on paper because it's just
Speaker 1: a solid core of guys. They play well at home
Speaker 1: and they just are always in this hunt. But if
Speaker 1: you're going to try to win a series in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and make a little bit of run. You got to
Speaker 1: shoot higher. And I think in terms of all the
Speaker 1: rentals that we're going to reasonably see here, I think
Speaker 1: Paralleta is the highest ceiling. I think Clay Holmes is
Speaker 1: a fun fit too, for a guy that can get
Speaker 1: some ground balls in that ballpark and could be successful
Speaker 1: for them as well. I think Holmes could.
Speaker 2: Be fun about Clay Holmes podcast. He brought this up
Speaker 2: in our private chat when we were talking about the Cubs,
Speaker 2: where he was a little bit worried about adding Holmes
Speaker 2: when an entire rotation already is having health problems. I
Speaker 2: see the same thing for the d Backs, same health
Speaker 2: problems right every dropping like flies. Do you want to
Speaker 2: add another one who's coming off an injury? Like I
Speaker 2: would almost rather someone who's doing worse, but at least
Speaker 2: I know he's healthy. Maybe we can provide a tweak
Speaker 2: for him rather than even though I think Clay Holmes
Speaker 2: is probably better than all of these guys, like I
Speaker 2: think Trevor Rodgers would be sick like that's your high
Speaker 2: upside rental move. I just didn't write him down because
Speaker 2: I don't know if the orders are gonna sell. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what they're gonna do. I have no
Speaker 2: idea because again they're losing again to the Tigers. But
Speaker 2: the American League is so bad that they're still in
Speaker 2: the hunt.
Speaker 1: They're getting blown out.
Speaker 2: They got blown out yesterday fourteen. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that should be enough. Open your eyes, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, headed.
Speaker 2: Into our discord right now and ask Orioles fans if
Speaker 2: they want to buy shout out Schroeder. He's buying. They're buying.
Speaker 1: That's what they It's not just losing, it's getting swept
Speaker 1: or not swept, losing two out of three and getting
Speaker 1: your teeth kicked in on the second two. Assuming they
Speaker 1: don't come back, we'll see yah the next series goes.
Speaker 1: But I think they should and it's not you don't
Speaker 1: need to trade Adolete necessarily trade the rentals. I think
Speaker 1: they trade the rentals. I like. I like the shout
Speaker 1: for Rogers too.
Speaker 2: Trevor Rodgers, Sorry, Freddy, we're bringing in Trevor. Trevor is
Speaker 2: the answer. Luis Garcia is the answer. Bladet, he's good.
Speaker 2: I like Bludet's a fit. There, Yeah, there we go,
Speaker 2: and then Hogan Harris, that's they're trading. This is maybe
Speaker 2: the most active deadline of any team arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they're gonna be pretty darn active.
Speaker 1: Do they need another reliever? No, I think you get
Speaker 1: the one guy and then you hope you get your
Speaker 1: guys back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's good enough where if you don't get
Speaker 2: Martinez and Puck back, it's still a solid bullpen, and
Speaker 2: if you do get them back, it's a really good bullpen.
Speaker 2: But I think you set a nice floor adding Harris
Speaker 2: to this already solid bullpen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the Holmes thing, the one Devil's
Speaker 1: advocate which I do agree with Mike Jeene in the chat,
Speaker 1: is that it was like a comebacker on the leg,
Speaker 1: So assuming that you don't think anything else is going
Speaker 1: to be an issue healthwise, and he looks totally fine.
Speaker 1: If a team feels confident in that, they might just
Speaker 1: roll with it. I do like the Holmes fit here
Speaker 1: a good bit. So that is just one other note
Speaker 1: I wanted to put there. But I love the Bludet
Speaker 1: and Garcia chat there no doubt.
Speaker 2: Let's end with the San Diego Padres, and I only
Speaker 2: had two needs for them because they're kind of like
Speaker 2: the Phillies where you look at the offense right now,
Speaker 2: and Manny Machado is hitting lasers all over the field.
Speaker 2: He looks great. Merril has looked better lately. Tatis is
Speaker 2: looking more like himself. The offense is really starting to
Speaker 2: come around, and even the guys that haven't yet. You're
Speaker 2: not moving off bogarts, You're not moving off crona Worth,
Speaker 2: You're probably not even moving off sheets. You have the
Speaker 2: catching situation where Campisano is hitting and if he doesn't,
Speaker 2: falls back down to earth. At least Freddy for Men
Speaker 2: is still there. I don't think catcher is where they
Speaker 2: should be going for right Na.
Speaker 1: LEAs just got promoted at Triple A, for what that's worth.
Speaker 2: There you go, But I don't think he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a big leaguer this year. So I kind of just
Speaker 2: think they need a DH. I got the perfect fit
Speaker 2: for them, and then their second need before we move on.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the only offensive need that they have?
Speaker 1: You? This is like you got to like live and
Speaker 1: die by your guys, Like, yeah, if you lose because Tatis,
Speaker 1: nobody that you acquire is going to win you games.
Speaker 1: Relative to whether Tatis, Machado and Meyrol and Bogart's and
Speaker 1: Croninworth hit the way they're capable of hitting. Like that's,
Speaker 1: of course, I'm not saying, don't compliment the lineup, but
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't need to go crazy and go
Speaker 1: try to They don't need to do o Herne Loreano
Speaker 1: over again because the end of the day, like they
Speaker 1: could do that. And if these guys don't hit, their
Speaker 1: core guys don't hit, it is what it is. And
Speaker 1: Machado and Tatists are showing signs of life. I think
Speaker 1: that's enough to think that you could just get a
Speaker 1: smaller complimentary piece.
Speaker 2: So I think, so we agree d H first base
Speaker 2: ish type of move kind of similar to what the
Speaker 2: Dbacks need. And then I said, high end starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: And this is where I brought Clay Holmes in. And
Speaker 2: I know I'm kind of talking out of two sides
Speaker 2: of my mouth here, being like, does Clay Holmes fit
Speaker 2: with the cubs of the d Backs because they've had
Speaker 2: injuries to the rotation and they kind of need someone solid.
Speaker 2: But for the padres, I think at this point almost
Speaker 2: similar to the d Backs. I guess, so I really
Speaker 2: am just talking out of both sides of my mouth.
Speaker 2: Here where with a rotation that is not healthy? Do
Speaker 2: you bring in Clay Holmes? But I just like the
Speaker 2: big swing for homes for this Padres team. And then
Speaker 2: I really like the fit of Liam Hicks because the
Speaker 2: Marlins have said they're kind of open for business, or
Speaker 2: at least they're listening.
Speaker 1: Listening.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when those reports come out, they kind of piss
Speaker 2: me off because I feel like, if you're not listening,
Speaker 2: you're actually not doing your due diligence as a GM's it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, do you want to tell
Speaker 2: people like I don't know, I just the listening thing
Speaker 2: is so stupid, it's almost you know what that's for.
Speaker 2: That's for us, Yes, so that we can start in
Speaker 2: the media doing mock trades. That's what it's for. It's
Speaker 2: not for anyone else.
Speaker 1: Like maybe encourage them to call and give their best offer,
Speaker 1: but like I think they're gonna do that anyways, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I And look, the Marlins for the remainder
Speaker 1: of time will listen maybe a little bit more than
Speaker 1: other teams because they are going to always try to
Speaker 1: maximize value because they can't spend that much. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if a team and a catcher, a very catcher hungry
Speaker 1: market offers the Marlins a haul for William Hicks that
Speaker 1: their model spits out surplus value, They're probably gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And that's just how teams, small market teams have to operate.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying go now shop at a Lopez around
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you know, I think that's probably how
Speaker 1: they're going to operate here. Hicks is a great fit
Speaker 1: because the thing is as solid as your Catcher of
Speaker 1: the future without a doubt, like you're not so one guy,
Speaker 1: you're just not blocking. It's probably the one guy ever
Speaker 1: that preller won't won't block. Hicks can go play first base,
Speaker 1: you know, next year and and and really be I
Speaker 1: think think the bat that they were hoping cronen Worth
Speaker 1: would be offensively so the only drawback would be how
Speaker 1: does his power play in that park? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But I think Hicks is a really fun fit. It's
Speaker 1: just do they have the prospect capital, which we always
Speaker 1: ask that question to overwhelm the Marlins for Hicks, and
Speaker 1: that's that would be the question. But I think they
Speaker 1: possibly could. They also could offer some controllable relief arms
Speaker 1: to really like sprinkle more excitement on the package to
Speaker 1: make it interesting.
Speaker 2: Another reason why I like to fit with Hicks is
Speaker 2: he gets on base, and the Padres have had a
Speaker 2: really tough time getting on base this season. They were
Speaker 2: in twenty third in on percentage in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: And Number two is Hicks can also catch. So let's
Speaker 2: say the Campisano hot streak dies out and Freddy, for mean,
Speaker 2: is just unplayable because he can't hit. Hicks could be
Speaker 2: your catcher on top of that, at least in the
Speaker 2: meantime until you wait for Salas. Because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I know Salas is getting up to
Speaker 2: triple A right now. I saw the stat line. He's
Speaker 2: slugging like four fifteen. Like I understand that his defense.
Speaker 2: But it's not like I don't think he's getting promoted
Speaker 2: because he's got a twelve hundred oh ps. I think
Speaker 2: he's getting promoted just because they feel like that's the
Speaker 2: next step in his evolution. Like I wouldn't be sold
Speaker 2: that Solace is there opening to catcher next year. I
Speaker 2: still think it's going to be another year. I don't
Speaker 2: know as much about prospects as you, but I did
Speaker 2: see the stat line and thought to myself Okay, he's
Speaker 2: clearly not the answer this year, and I just see
Speaker 2: the answer next year. I don't think so either, but
Speaker 2: I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: He'll give him a chance, I think just because the
Speaker 1: glove is so damn good and like the bat to
Speaker 1: ball is so good. But yeah, I mean that that
Speaker 1: is the interesting part with like how much do they
Speaker 1: want to rush it, how much do they want to
Speaker 1: exp It's definitely not going to be this year. I
Speaker 1: think it would be kind of shocking if it was,
Speaker 1: to be honest, so I like the Hick shout. I
Speaker 1: could see them trying that. I'm very curious if the
Speaker 1: Marlins rattle off three out of four against the Mets
Speaker 1: if that changes anything as well, But who knows. The
Speaker 1: pitching is the most clear cut, and I think Holmes
Speaker 1: just with the way that Holmes going to attack him,
Speaker 1: I think it's similar to the way that you can
Speaker 1: kind of see Michael King attack hitters, and I think
Speaker 1: that's something that they'll just like to bring in there
Speaker 1: in Holmes, with his pitch usage and the different ways
Speaker 1: that he can he can really mix and match with
Speaker 1: would be fun. I think Hicks is or excuse me,
Speaker 1: I think Holmes is a great fit.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, trying to predict
Speaker 2: what the deadline Boogeyman is going to do is just
Speaker 2: foolish because we have no idea what he's going to do,
Speaker 2: and that is aj Preller, and he makes the deadline
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