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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey thereon Welcome Back. It's the Book of Top Wait

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Speaker 2: a second, Joe Madden is back.

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Speaker 3: It is the.

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Speaker 2: Book of Joe Again. Joe Madden is back. Joe. How

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Speaker 2: was your New Year's and your holiday?

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Speaker 3: This is my voice. I guess pretty good. That was

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Speaker 3: all over the place.

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Speaker 4: Flew up the pa, hung out up there for a bit,

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Speaker 4: saw my mom several times, had a great time family

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Speaker 4: up there. Then eventually when they and I drove up

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Speaker 4: to Toronto and I got to see her old digs

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Speaker 4: up there. So dinner New Year's Eve dinner at the

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Speaker 4: cag Mansion, which is quite an experience.

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Speaker 3: What a beautiful building. So that was really fun.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of moving, a lot of movie, a

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Speaker 4: lot of driving, a lot of driving in snow, a

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Speaker 4: lot of cold. It was very cold. So we had

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Speaker 4: a wonderful time. Got back and had dinner last night

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Speaker 4: at Ovus. So it's been literally a whirlwind couple weeks.

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Speaker 4: But it's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like fun.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, Joe about coaching staffs

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Speaker 1: and managing a lot of movement going around. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to some signings as well. But this is the time

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Speaker 1: of year where teams start to put their their staffs together.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I actually wanted to start with an

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Speaker 1: NFL note. You probably noticed this. Pete Carroll is gone

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Speaker 1: after one year with the Raiders. Pete Carroll, at seventy four,

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Speaker 1: was the oldest head coach in NFL history, and two

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Speaker 1: and fourteen he gets fired, actually fired his offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly early in that season.

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Speaker 2: It didn't last more than a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So the Raiders are paying Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: forty two million dollars to go away. So I guess

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Speaker 1: if you're Pete Carroll and you're seventy four and you

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Speaker 1: know they're giving you thirty million to go away, it's

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Speaker 1: not a bad golden parachute. But man, how about just

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Speaker 1: giving a guy a year Joe and turned the page

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Speaker 1: on him.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's the for the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: It's their fifth coach in the last five years, so

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of movement out there.

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Speaker 4: I wonder whether they haven't been that good. You know,

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Speaker 4: It's like the fire philosophy. When I ran the minor

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Speaker 4: leagues for the Angels in the eighties, if we hired somebody,

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Speaker 4: I don't care whether it was the fall or you know,

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Speaker 4: early in the spring, however, whatever, and we had to

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Speaker 4: consider firing him or letting him go the very next year.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was my fault. I really did.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was my fault. That was on me

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Speaker 4: and Billy Vasi at that time for not doing a

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Speaker 4: better job of considering who we're going to hire in

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: I always thought that the fire philosophy, who does the

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Speaker 4: reflection on it on? Is it on actually Pete or

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Speaker 4: the people that are putting this thing together? So that's

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Speaker 4: it's so listen, I get it. Whoever's got the bigger

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Speaker 4: fire somebody all the time with things just don't seem

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Speaker 4: to go as well as you'd like him to go. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: I'll somebody has to take the hit on that. But

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Speaker 4: it goes deeper, It really does go deeper. So for

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Speaker 4: me as a young employee, I was just shoot, I

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Speaker 3: That came to my mind. For me, before you.

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Speaker 4: Fire somebody, I would always believe that it was important

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Speaker 4: to talk to these people in advance, like there's something

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Speaker 3: And you would give this person or.

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Speaker 4: People an opportunity to get with this program that you

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Speaker 4: always get we'd always get in advance of whomeever we

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Speaker 4: Why do we not see it as working out? And

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Speaker 3: So again, maybe this was part of it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I always when I everybody watch

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Speaker 3: And to me, that's about the hiring process.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree with you, And I think now

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Speaker 1: I mean the New York Mets essentially a clean house

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Speaker 2: You know the messages. No, it's not has to do

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Speaker 1: We're going to change all the staffs around the manager

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Speaker 1: in this case, Carlos Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: The Brewers, by the other the other day just announced

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Speaker 1: their coaching staff. There are some changes there, as there

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Speaker 1: are with any team. The Brewers had the best record

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Speaker 1: in baseball last year. But I'm looking at their staff, Joe.

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Speaker 1: They've got eleven coaches now. I mean the Adjason Lane

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Speaker 1: they have have all kinds of coaches. The titles now,

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Speaker 1: They probably have more that travel with the club. Dodgers

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Speaker 1: have eleven coaches last year. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: putting a staff together, Joe, where you're talking about a

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Speaker 3: You saw it coming all the way.

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Speaker 4: For me, there's there's a lot of redundancy in this stuff,

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Speaker 4: and also's gonna be some conflict when you get too

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Speaker 4: and then you put the players in a tough position

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Speaker 4: having who am I supposed to listen to in this moment.

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Speaker 4: You'd have to have like a really group of altruistic

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Speaker 4: getting it right and not who is right. That's not

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Speaker 4: previous world either. It's just like Baseball offs departments. There's

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Speaker 4: so much you're paying for, so much redundancy and a

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Speaker 3: It really is. It's not It's almost like this.

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Speaker 4: Proliferation of front offices and number of people on staffs

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Speaker 4: I think that there's so much redundancy in our game.

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Speaker 4: And again the emphasis is placed in so many non

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Speaker 4: the same information, and it can get real cloudy when

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Speaker 3: So I understand what's going on. I don't quite agree

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Speaker 4: I want a really prolific staff, a group of guys

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Speaker 4: I don't wow, it's again it's just organization per organization,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted you to get you to address the

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Speaker 1: hitting coaches as well. And I haven't seen it grow

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Speaker 1: obviously from not that long ago. There was one hitting coach,

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Speaker 1: then it was two, and now there's three in some

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Speaker 2: But most teams have three hitting coaches. And I get it.

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Speaker 2: These guys want to hit all the time.

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Speaker 1: With the facilities that the ballparks have, they have cages

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Speaker 1: and I've seen different hitters will connect better with certain guys,

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Speaker 4: I've heard the analogy made with like golfers of the

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Speaker 4: I think some baseball people have actually taken that to

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Speaker 4: that are obvious, but a lot of these guys individually

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Speaker 4: have their own little guru stuff somewhere back home that

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Speaker 4: they talk to constantly via phone video. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 3: So regardless of what.

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Speaker 4: The team does, and A and I do like extra

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Speaker 3: So you have to have the head Guy's got.

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Speaker 4: To be really a guy with a very small ego

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Speaker 4: know if I'm getting the information I need. It's very complicated.

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Speaker 4: It is so again, regardless of what you see numbers

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Speaker 2: There was a very interesting hire for the Philadelphia Phillies.

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Speaker 2: This was no surprise.

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Speaker 1: Don Mattingley is the bench coach for Rob Thompson now

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Speaker 1: with the Phillies. This has been talked about really since

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Speaker 3: I cannot agree with that more.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to you know, come back to

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Speaker 3: So I cannot agree with Donnie Moore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, he is such a good athlete.

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Speaker 1: You can still see him out there taking ground balls.

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Speaker 1: Let me add this segment, Joe, as we're going to

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Speaker 1: Can you name the five managers in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: Trader Jack is at number two on the list at eighty.

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Speaker 1: Connie Mack of course number one, eighty seven years old.

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Speaker 1: Dusty, Yes, absolutely, it's seventy four. You are doing so well.

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Speaker 3: Two more over seventy four, seventy four years of age

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Speaker 3: And Bucky Harris, No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about his team which won a

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Speaker 1: Oh seventy seven White Sox team, what happened to them?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that team because I'm fascinated by.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Tony Larussa's White Sox team from a couple

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Speaker 1: Well, how about those twenty twenty one White Sox, Joe,

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Speaker 2: Last two years, two hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Ten games, he said, two twenty three, with a two

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Speaker 1: Would you, if you were another team Joe and a

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Speaker 4: I take the flyer absolutely this. I mean I've seen

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Speaker 4: But physically this guy is so gifted. I don't know

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Speaker 4: And we used to describe that White Sox team. I

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Speaker 4: This group was like wow. And I would playing these

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Speaker 3: It was a great team.

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Speaker 4: So when you started to describe the White Sox and

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Speaker 4: But Robert, heck, yeah, I if I'm in a meeting,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do have to do a deep dive on there.

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Speaker 1: You know, is this injury related, motivation, bad environment, whatever

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Speaker 1: it just goes to show you that you can't really

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Speaker 1: count on these things. You know, development is not linear

439
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Speaker 1: with these young players, even guys who get to the

440
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Speaker 1: big leagues, they're not finished products. And I think in

441
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Speaker 1: the White Sox case, they did not continue to develop

442
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Speaker 1: their young talent. That brings me to the Blue Jays. Joe,

443
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Speaker 1: have you seen what the Blue Jays are doing here

444
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Speaker 1: this winter? Because they've spent three hundred and thirty seven

445
00:21:19,478 --> 00:21:23,718
Speaker 1: million dollars so far, and they picked up Kazuma Akamoto.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he's going to play. He could

447
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Speaker 1: play first, he can play thirty, play the outfield. But

448
00:21:29,398 --> 00:21:33,518
Speaker 1: they continue to get deeper and deeper, adding Dylan Cease

449
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Speaker 1: and Rogers in the bullpen, Cody Ponds in the rotation.

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Speaker 2: I think they've had a really good winter.

451
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Speaker 3: They have.

452
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Speaker 4: I mean they had to, I mean, coming up what

453
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Speaker 4: they just did, in the fact that they've had a

454
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Speaker 4: very difficult time attracting free agents. It sounds like they've

455
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Speaker 4: been obviously pretty aggressive going you know, across the Pacific whatever,

456
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Speaker 4: and I you know, I applaud them for that. It

457
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Speaker 4: just it really is an indicator to the rest of

458
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Speaker 4: the industry how serious they are. They liked what they

459
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Speaker 4: tasted last year, they want to taste it again, and

460
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Speaker 4: they're looking at different spots. Probably Bobishitt does not sound

461
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Speaker 4: like he's going to be part of that. For everything

462
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Speaker 4: I've read, I don't know anything other than what I've read.

463
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Speaker 4: But so we have all this extra dough, they were

464
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Speaker 4: going to slice it up and bring in a bunch

465
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Speaker 4: of different guys that we think collectively can help us

466
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Speaker 4: reachieve our goals. So yeah, I'm a big fan of

467
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Speaker 4: what they're doing. Let me just digress one point, going

468
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Speaker 4: to that Oriol situation, It is a great group I

469
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Speaker 4: would really focus on. I don't know who it would be,

470
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Speaker 4: but one may be two seriously good clubhouse veterans to

471
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Speaker 4: be part of that group. Rememberything I've heard about them.

472
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Speaker 4: Part of it may just be the psyche of the

473
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Speaker 4: collective group I'm talking about, like a David Ross as

474
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Speaker 4: an example, being a wonderful guy to step in talking

475
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Speaker 4: about a David Ross type player and somebody wroong the

476
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Speaker 4: pitching lines, Troy Percival with you know what we did

477
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Speaker 4: with the Rays in two thousand and it was Cliff Floyd,

478
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Speaker 4: Troy Percival, Erik Kinski with this really wonderful young core,

479
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Speaker 4: and these guys made all the difference in the world

480
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Speaker 4: the way our players acted. I mean, you've got to

481
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Speaker 4: teach guys how to act sometimes. So anyway, going back

482
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Speaker 4: to that, but I do I am a big fan

483
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Speaker 4: of what the Blue Jays are doing. I think they're

484
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Speaker 4: doing it right, and this permits them then to be

485
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Speaker 4: like cherry pick a little bit more as they move

486
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Speaker 4: it along, to really try to fine tune this thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's where Pete A.

488
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Speaker 1: Lonzo comes in, right. I mean, you know how much

489
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Speaker 1: he loves to play. He's in the lineup every day.

490
00:23:23,918 --> 00:23:27,958
Speaker 1: That can be infectious. And Pete's not shy. You know

491
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Speaker 1: he'll make his imprint there. Zach Eflin back in the

492
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Speaker 1: rotation there, I thought was a good signing as well.

493
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Speaker 2: For those reasons that you outlined. What would you do?

494
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Bob Bashett here and I'm not sure where

495
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Speaker 1: Toronto is going here because to me, I would leave

496
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Speaker 1: Adison Barger in right field and just leave him there,

497
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Speaker 1: and he's an everyday player for me, I don't want

498
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Speaker 1: him going back and forth.

499
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Speaker 2: I know he can do it in field and outfield.

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Speaker 1: He's just I mean, I watched that guy play in

501
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Speaker 1: the postseason, Joe, and he does not give ground against

502
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Speaker 1: left handed pitching. He's got the best throwing arm of

503
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Speaker 1: any outfield or the game. I think he can be

504
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Speaker 1: a star in this game, I really do. I'd leave

505
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Speaker 1: him a third base again, he can play outfield. I

506
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Speaker 1: don't think you want to put him out there a lot.

507
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Speaker 1: You've got a lot at first base. So he's my

508
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Speaker 1: third baseman and man I just loved watching Ernie Clement

509
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Speaker 1: play the game, and I know this is a guy

510
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Speaker 1: the A's released only a little more than a year ago,

511
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Speaker 1: and you're wondering, Man, is this just a fluke what

512
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Speaker 1: he did in the postseason. I don't think so. I

513
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Speaker 1: want him to play. I don't want him just as

514
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Speaker 1: a utility guy either. I think he's a glue guy.

515
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Speaker 1: Those glue guys you have to be in the lineup

516
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Speaker 1: every day. So maybe there's not room for a Kyle

517
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Speaker 1: Tucker or Boba. Shit, I'm not ruling those guys out,

518
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Speaker 1: but I'm saying I like what Toronto has right now.

519
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Speaker 1: How do you see the fit here for Toronto with

520
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Speaker 1: these moving parts?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I think Kyle Tucker's a

522
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Speaker 4: fit anywhere. I mean, he's one of my favorite major

523
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Speaker 4: league players. I know he had a tough year last year.

524
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Speaker 4: I don't know how much it was attributed to the

525
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Speaker 4: fact that it was his big year coming up this

526
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Speaker 4: year free agent wise, I don't know, but I saw

527
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Speaker 4: that guy up close and personally, you talk about a

528
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Speaker 4: that can hit a lefty, I know he was in

529
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Speaker 4: a pull mode last year. Maybe getting out of that

530
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Speaker 4: Houston ballpark, which is really a wonderful place to hit,

531
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Speaker 4: whether you want to pull it a little bit or

532
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Speaker 4: go to the opposite field. But I just saw this

533
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Speaker 4: guy play a complete game of baseball, tough out at

534
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Speaker 4: the plate and does not give an inch to a

535
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Speaker 4: left handed pitcher. I to me, he's more attractive if

536
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Speaker 4: I could fit him into my outfield, I would do that.

537
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Speaker 3: You know, bow.

538
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Speaker 4: On the other hand, if you don't have a second

539
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Speaker 4: base spot open, I don't like him. I've never really

540
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Speaker 4: liked him at shortstop. I don't think he's a shortstop.

541
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Speaker 4: I just think that was a they did that because

542
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Speaker 4: we've talked about this in a recent past, where analytical

543
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Speaker 4: departments have just put like guys at shortstop that can

544
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Speaker 4: hit because they think that, you know, defensively, I don't

545
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Speaker 4: know how much they really were into the defensive side

546
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Speaker 4: of things, but they definitely like analytics love's offense.

547
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Speaker 3: So anyway, I just for.

548
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Speaker 4: Me, Boshetz either second basement or an outfielder. If you

549
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Speaker 4: can't fit him in there, I wouldn't fit him. Whereas

550
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Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker to me, is a difference maker. I'm really

551
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Speaker 4: expecting a bounce back year from him. I think he's

552
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Speaker 4: that good. So if between the two of them, I

553
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Speaker 4: would somehow try to see how he fits Tucker fits.

554
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Speaker 3: With me in Toronto.

555
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Speaker 4: I think that'd be really solidifies that lineup on not

556
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Speaker 4: that Bo doesn't, but I just think overarching overall, I

557
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Speaker 4: like the playoff Tucker better than Bo, and I just

558
00:26:29,918 --> 00:26:32,878
Speaker 4: think that I would be more comfortable letting a bowba

559
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Speaker 4: shit go and to feel much more comfortable signing Tucker

560
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Speaker 4: over Baschett.

561
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Speaker 1: Coming back, well, I do like the left handed batt

562
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Speaker 1: of Tucker. You know, writing Shotgun with Ladd. You know,

563
00:26:43,318 --> 00:26:45,598
Speaker 1: I know Bogashett hits everybody right and left. But in

564
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Speaker 1: perfect world, Yeah, I'm with you on Tucker. Interesting, like,

565
00:26:49,638 --> 00:26:51,878
Speaker 1: what can you expect from a guy like a Kamoto.

566
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Speaker 2: He's twenty nine years old.

567
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Speaker 1: He played eleven seasons with the Giants over an MPB,

568
00:26:58,198 --> 00:27:00,998
Speaker 1: so you know he got to their major leagues really early,

569
00:27:01,198 --> 00:27:02,838
Speaker 1: which tells you the kind of talent that he has.

570
00:27:02,918 --> 00:27:05,158
Speaker 1: He had six seasons with at least thirty home runs,

571
00:27:06,118 --> 00:27:08,958
Speaker 1: doesn't strike out a ton, which we know as part

572
00:27:08,958 --> 00:27:12,358
Speaker 1: of the DNA of how Toronto plays baseball. But when

573
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Speaker 1: you look at I looked at the guy like Seya

574
00:27:13,958 --> 00:27:16,118
Speaker 1: a Suzuki, and you look at what his numbers are

575
00:27:16,238 --> 00:27:18,438
Speaker 1: over an MPB and what they're like over here. He's

576
00:27:18,438 --> 00:27:21,158
Speaker 1: slugged five seventy nine over there at nine seasons, and

577
00:27:21,198 --> 00:27:24,278
Speaker 1: he's been a real good hitter with the Cubs. I

578
00:27:24,278 --> 00:27:28,038
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he's a true impact power hitter. His slugging

579
00:27:28,358 --> 00:27:30,878
Speaker 1: in major leagues after four years is four to seventy two.

580
00:27:31,078 --> 00:27:33,798
Speaker 1: It's one hundred point difference and slug So I think

581
00:27:33,838 --> 00:27:35,438
Speaker 1: one of these things you have to figure out with

582
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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who make the jump is

583
00:27:37,158 --> 00:27:37,718
Speaker 1: how do.

584
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Speaker 2: You translate the numbers?

585
00:27:39,958 --> 00:27:42,678
Speaker 1: And you know, I like the fit, don't get me wrong,

586
00:27:42,958 --> 00:27:45,118
Speaker 1: but I think that Toronto's looking at this guy saying,

587
00:27:45,158 --> 00:27:47,238
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he needs a year or so to adjust.

588
00:27:47,678 --> 00:27:49,638
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what this adjustment is like, Joe, in

589
00:27:49,718 --> 00:27:52,158
Speaker 1: terms of I know, the league is really good and

590
00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:53,758
Speaker 1: a lot of guys have come over here and done

591
00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,798
Speaker 1: really well. But there's a lot of adjustments, you know,

592
00:27:56,838 --> 00:27:59,318
Speaker 1: the baseball, the travel, the length of the season, you

593
00:27:59,398 --> 00:28:02,598
Speaker 1: name it. So maybe you just don't pencil him in

594
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Speaker 1: as your everyday player to start out.

595
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Speaker 4: I think it'd be fair to automatically subtract seventy five

596
00:28:07,958 --> 00:28:12,278
Speaker 4: points from his slug and I feel that's realistically part

597
00:28:12,278 --> 00:28:13,758
Speaker 4: of what he can do this year. I was going

598
00:28:13,798 --> 00:28:15,798
Speaker 4: to say one hundred, and then you dropped one hundred

599
00:28:15,838 --> 00:28:19,678
Speaker 4: on me with previous situation, So yeah, I think you

600
00:28:19,878 --> 00:28:21,758
Speaker 4: have to know there's going to be some kind of

601
00:28:22,078 --> 00:28:25,478
Speaker 4: regression in that department. Although I think you have to

602
00:28:25,718 --> 00:28:29,198
Speaker 4: believe that you're suggesting after he becomes acclimated he could

603
00:28:29,198 --> 00:28:30,918
Speaker 4: get closer to that number. I don't think he'll ever

604
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Speaker 4: actually achieved whatever that high number was in Japan. I

605
00:28:34,398 --> 00:28:37,758
Speaker 4: don't think that's realistic, but I do believe something. I'd

606
00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:40,278
Speaker 4: say at least he could settle into something fifty points

607
00:28:40,318 --> 00:28:42,798
Speaker 4: less than what he did over there. Over the course

608
00:28:42,798 --> 00:28:46,158
Speaker 4: of maybe two years. You'll finally see he'll be thirty

609
00:28:46,158 --> 00:28:48,398
Speaker 4: one at that time, which is really not too old

610
00:28:48,438 --> 00:28:51,238
Speaker 4: if the guy's really as good as the numbers, indicators,

611
00:28:51,518 --> 00:28:54,798
Speaker 4: pedigree indicates. So that would be my expectation, and if

612
00:28:54,798 --> 00:28:56,558
Speaker 4: that's good enough for you, that's fine. They just go

613
00:28:56,558 --> 00:28:58,918
Speaker 4: ahead and roll with it, and that his defense would

614
00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:02,598
Speaker 4: play also that you're not going to sacrifice anything defensively there,

615
00:29:02,718 --> 00:29:04,998
Speaker 4: and that would be another part of the consideration. Trying

616
00:29:05,038 --> 00:29:08,878
Speaker 4: to somehow figure out this this lack of or less

617
00:29:08,878 --> 00:29:11,198
Speaker 4: stand slug that you that he had in the past.

618
00:29:11,198 --> 00:29:13,878
Speaker 4: But is there any kind of plus defensive ability that

619
00:29:13,958 --> 00:29:17,318
Speaker 4: kind of evens this thing out? So that's that's how

620
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Speaker 4: I would look at it, because I used to do

621
00:29:18,798 --> 00:29:21,358
Speaker 4: that with Triple A players. You know, guys are coming

622
00:29:21,398 --> 00:29:23,158
Speaker 4: up from Triple A to the big leagues and got

623
00:29:23,198 --> 00:29:26,758
Speaker 4: these exorbitant numbers, would automatically subtract you know what this

624
00:29:26,878 --> 00:29:27,238
Speaker 4: is going to.

625
00:29:27,238 --> 00:29:28,678
Speaker 3: Look like and is that good enough? What do you

626
00:29:28,678 --> 00:29:29,358
Speaker 3: feel about that?

627
00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:34,198
Speaker 4: So there's there's definitely gonna be that kind of uneducated

628
00:29:34,278 --> 00:29:37,278
Speaker 4: calculation just based on experience and field.

629
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it reinforces the fact that Toronto has

630
00:29:40,118 --> 00:29:42,678
Speaker 1: become a real destination point. I mean you talk about

631
00:29:42,718 --> 00:29:45,318
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, I mean they're the number one destination point

632
00:29:45,318 --> 00:29:47,478
Speaker 1: in baseball for anybody who wants to win a World Series.

633
00:29:47,518 --> 00:29:48,798
Speaker 2: You're gonna have your best shot there.

634
00:29:48,878 --> 00:29:52,638
Speaker 1: It's their resources, the way they treat players, facilities, you know,

635
00:29:53,318 --> 00:29:56,478
Speaker 1: to charter planes for the players and staff, the whole

636
00:29:56,518 --> 00:29:59,598
Speaker 1: nine yards. Toronto is getting there if they're not there already.

637
00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:01,958
Speaker 1: You know, the World Series elevated them to a whole

638
00:30:01,958 --> 00:30:04,518
Speaker 1: other level. We know about their facility been around now

639
00:30:04,598 --> 00:30:06,958
Speaker 1: for three or four years down in Dunedin, which is

640
00:30:06,958 --> 00:30:09,438
Speaker 1: an amazing facility. The way they treat players, they redid

641
00:30:09,438 --> 00:30:12,118
Speaker 1: their home clubhouse facilities they have there or state of

642
00:30:12,118 --> 00:30:14,078
Speaker 1: the art and they won.

643
00:30:14,358 --> 00:30:16,638
Speaker 2: You know, they're not selling hope at this point.

644
00:30:16,678 --> 00:30:19,558
Speaker 1: They're just they're trying to sell sustainable success and I

645
00:30:19,558 --> 00:30:20,798
Speaker 1: think they're doing a really good job.

646
00:30:21,198 --> 00:30:23,678
Speaker 2: And you saw them jump out early for Dylan Cees.

647
00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:27,078
Speaker 1: Toronto's going to be around for a while again, talking

648
00:30:27,078 --> 00:30:30,478
Speaker 1: about windows, I think when you're spending at the highest

649
00:30:30,478 --> 00:30:33,318
Speaker 1: the maximum level of taxes, the Steve Cohen tax rate,

650
00:30:33,318 --> 00:30:36,038
Speaker 1: which is where Toronto is going to be, that's a

651
00:30:36,038 --> 00:30:38,878
Speaker 1: full commitment. If you're signing with the Toronto Blue Jays

652
00:30:38,958 --> 00:30:41,558
Speaker 1: right now, to know that they're in it now. I mean,

653
00:30:41,638 --> 00:30:44,038
Speaker 1: this is not a team hoping to sign players and

654
00:30:44,598 --> 00:30:47,398
Speaker 1: selling them on a plan going forward. It's about right

655
00:30:47,438 --> 00:30:49,438
Speaker 1: now having a chance to win. I just love that

656
00:30:49,438 --> 00:30:51,878
Speaker 1: they've doubled down on the success of twenty twenty five.

657
00:30:52,558 --> 00:30:53,838
Speaker 3: It's a dynamic city too.

658
00:30:53,838 --> 00:30:57,078
Speaker 4: It was just there, you know, and I as a

659
00:30:57,118 --> 00:31:02,398
Speaker 4: major league personnel for years, you're pretty much always sequestered

660
00:31:02,438 --> 00:31:05,078
Speaker 4: to the downtown area, which is dynamic.

661
00:31:06,078 --> 00:31:07,398
Speaker 3: I used to take my bike up.

662
00:31:07,278 --> 00:31:09,758
Speaker 4: There and I'd ride my bike along the lake, great

663
00:31:09,798 --> 00:31:12,798
Speaker 4: bike trail going from the lake all the way gosh,

664
00:31:12,838 --> 00:31:18,358
Speaker 4: towards the airport Mississauga. Mississauga, I think, is how you

665
00:31:18,398 --> 00:31:22,478
Speaker 4: pronounce it. But you go in that direction and gorgeous, beautiful,

666
00:31:22,478 --> 00:31:25,358
Speaker 4: But you get into the little periphery right outside the downtown,

667
00:31:25,678 --> 00:31:28,758
Speaker 4: it turns into like the country very quickly, or neighborhoods.

668
00:31:28,918 --> 00:31:30,638
Speaker 3: It's very Chicago esque.

669
00:31:31,478 --> 00:31:34,358
Speaker 4: Regarding that the difference with being I really was amazed

670
00:31:34,358 --> 00:31:37,638
Speaker 4: at the number of high rises, which you know, supports

671
00:31:37,678 --> 00:31:39,638
Speaker 4: the number of people that want to live there, are

672
00:31:39,638 --> 00:31:42,638
Speaker 4: going to or are living there. Of course, the cost

673
00:31:42,718 --> 00:31:45,478
Speaker 4: of living is very high, and you got the taxation

674
00:31:45,558 --> 00:31:49,158
Speaker 4: whatever that the Blue Jays probably have to overpay with

675
00:31:49,238 --> 00:31:52,758
Speaker 4: that part of what I think, and again not knowing specifically,

676
00:31:52,758 --> 00:31:56,358
Speaker 4: but it would be attractive to an Asian player or

677
00:31:56,398 --> 00:31:58,598
Speaker 4: a Latin player, because I think it's a very comfortable

678
00:31:58,638 --> 00:32:03,398
Speaker 4: place to exist. Because it is it's an international diverse city.

679
00:32:04,358 --> 00:32:06,998
Speaker 4: You feel like you're gone to Europe just by crossing

680
00:32:06,998 --> 00:32:08,718
Speaker 4: the border in a car, so you don't have to

681
00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:09,278
Speaker 4: fly to Europe.

682
00:32:09,318 --> 00:32:12,558
Speaker 3: You drive to Europe. So I think they've done it right.

683
00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:14,478
Speaker 3: They've they've upgraded their facilities.

684
00:32:15,358 --> 00:32:17,518
Speaker 4: They can sell the city in a way that a

685
00:32:17,558 --> 00:32:19,718
Speaker 4: player from almost any part of the world could get

686
00:32:19,798 --> 00:32:22,438
Speaker 4: come there and feel pretty comfortable there. There's gonna be

687
00:32:22,478 --> 00:32:24,838
Speaker 4: a part of town that they really can morph into

688
00:32:24,878 --> 00:32:25,638
Speaker 4: and feel really.

689
00:32:25,438 --> 00:32:27,358
Speaker 3: Good about it. That was That's my.

690
00:32:28,798 --> 00:32:32,918
Speaker 4: Evaluation. It's it's dynamic, and it's gosh, it's big. It's

691
00:32:32,918 --> 00:32:35,998
Speaker 4: it's very congested at times, obviously, but I think there's

692
00:32:36,038 --> 00:32:36,878
Speaker 4: a large appeal.

693
00:32:36,878 --> 00:32:38,638
Speaker 3: And like you said, the facilities.

694
00:32:38,118 --> 00:32:41,238
Speaker 4: Are better both there and in Dunedin, which is right

695
00:32:41,238 --> 00:32:42,878
Speaker 4: down the street. I love Duneed and I think it's

696
00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:45,398
Speaker 4: one of the best kept secrets in Florida, the small

697
00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:47,678
Speaker 4: town of Dunedin. So they got a lot of good

698
00:32:47,678 --> 00:32:49,678
Speaker 4: stuff going on right now, plus coming off a World

699
00:32:49,758 --> 00:32:51,478
Speaker 4: Series participation.

700
00:32:51,958 --> 00:32:54,278
Speaker 1: Great scouting report on Toronto. By the way, I agree

701
00:32:54,278 --> 00:32:57,038
Speaker 1: with everything you said there. It is a fantastic city.

702
00:32:58,038 --> 00:33:01,078
Speaker 1: And speaking of destinations, the Houston Astros also signed a

703
00:33:01,118 --> 00:33:05,478
Speaker 1: player straight out of Japan Pro Baseball, Tatsua in my

704
00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:09,918
Speaker 1: starting pitcher. It's the first time they've signed a player

705
00:33:10,318 --> 00:33:14,198
Speaker 1: coming straight from the Japan League's I think now only

706
00:33:14,198 --> 00:33:16,318
Speaker 1: the Marlins and the Rockies are the only teams that

707
00:33:16,358 --> 00:33:19,878
Speaker 1: have not done that. And it's interesting because of course

708
00:33:19,918 --> 00:33:24,278
Speaker 1: their ballpark is sponsored name sponsorship of Dyke and Comfort

709
00:33:24,278 --> 00:33:27,998
Speaker 1: Technologies based in Osaka, so they have a nice working

710
00:33:28,038 --> 00:33:30,638
Speaker 1: relationship with them. Jim Crane's business is over there in

711
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:34,078
Speaker 1: Japan as well, so this was a really good business

712
00:33:34,118 --> 00:33:37,998
Speaker 1: decision and by the way, a really good contract, I thought, Joe.

713
00:33:38,038 --> 00:33:40,238
Speaker 1: I mean, people were talking about am I getting you know,

714
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:42,478
Speaker 1: upwards of one hundred plus million dollars.

715
00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:43,798
Speaker 2: He's twenty seven years old.

716
00:33:44,198 --> 00:33:46,158
Speaker 1: He's a five 't eleven right hander with a low

717
00:33:46,278 --> 00:33:49,158
Speaker 1: arm slot like a lot of pitchers over there, throws

718
00:33:49,158 --> 00:33:53,518
Speaker 1: a split, slider, cutter change. He's a mix and match guy,

719
00:33:53,638 --> 00:33:57,038
Speaker 1: pitch maker. He's not overpowering. He's like a lesser version

720
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:58,998
Speaker 1: of a Yamamoto. I'm not going to put him in

721
00:33:59,078 --> 00:34:02,518
Speaker 1: that category, but he fits in probably in the middle

722
00:34:02,558 --> 00:34:05,758
Speaker 1: of the rotation. We got him for three times eighteen,

723
00:34:06,118 --> 00:34:08,158
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen million dollars for three years now. He

724
00:34:08,198 --> 00:34:10,838
Speaker 1: does have an opt out after each year, so if

725
00:34:10,838 --> 00:34:12,278
Speaker 1: he hits it big in the first year, he could

726
00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:13,998
Speaker 1: be gone. It might just be a one year deal.

727
00:34:14,998 --> 00:34:16,718
Speaker 1: So it's a great deal for him as well with

728
00:34:16,758 --> 00:34:18,918
Speaker 1: the flexibility. But I thought that was a really good

729
00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:21,718
Speaker 1: sign for them to get a guy who drops right

730
00:34:21,718 --> 00:34:23,958
Speaker 1: into the rotation behind Hunter Brown.

731
00:34:24,478 --> 00:34:27,278
Speaker 2: Probably means from Valdez not coming back. We haven't heard

732
00:34:27,318 --> 00:34:27,758
Speaker 2: a lot.

733
00:34:27,638 --> 00:34:32,358
Speaker 1: About any really productive talks between the Astros and Valdez,

734
00:34:32,878 --> 00:34:35,318
Speaker 1: but good for the Astros to step up and get

735
00:34:35,358 --> 00:34:37,118
Speaker 1: what I Again, I thought it was a really good

736
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:38,878
Speaker 1: deal for a guy who's got a high upside. And

737
00:34:38,918 --> 00:34:42,038
Speaker 1: by the way, we talked about the transition coming over here,

738
00:34:42,358 --> 00:34:44,718
Speaker 1: it's very tough on pitchers right because again it's a

739
00:34:44,758 --> 00:34:46,518
Speaker 1: longer season here and over there.

740
00:34:46,598 --> 00:34:47,838
Speaker 2: Generally they have off day on.

741
00:34:47,958 --> 00:34:50,238
Speaker 1: Monday every Monday, and they usually pitch on the six

742
00:34:50,398 --> 00:34:52,998
Speaker 1: or seventh day, so I'm sure they'll be careful with that.

743
00:34:53,038 --> 00:34:55,438
Speaker 1: He hasn't sent us in his contract for innings pitched.

744
00:34:55,558 --> 00:35:00,118
Speaker 1: Once he gets to eighty and one hundred innings and

745
00:35:00,238 --> 00:35:02,358
Speaker 1: no two hundred innings. Eighty and one hundred innings, they

746
00:35:02,358 --> 00:35:03,478
Speaker 1: start getting a little more dough.

747
00:35:04,238 --> 00:35:05,998
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting as well.

748
00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:09,598
Speaker 3: And he made a declaration versus the Dodgers, didn't he

749
00:35:09,838 --> 00:35:12,078
Speaker 3: upon his arrival, he did. I love it. That was

750
00:35:12,118 --> 00:35:13,198
Speaker 3: the best part of this For me.

751
00:35:13,718 --> 00:35:15,838
Speaker 4: I saw the numbers, I thought, yeah, that's that's pretty

752
00:35:15,838 --> 00:35:19,438
Speaker 4: reasonable based on today's baseball society.

753
00:35:20,438 --> 00:35:22,118
Speaker 3: But more than that, I loved what.

754
00:35:22,118 --> 00:35:25,518
Speaker 4: He said, and that's exactly the attitude people have to

755
00:35:25,558 --> 00:35:28,478
Speaker 4: have versus the Dodgers if you're in that division. Even

756
00:35:28,518 --> 00:35:31,678
Speaker 4: the Rockies, listen, I want to be a Rocky because

757
00:35:31,718 --> 00:35:33,878
Speaker 4: this is the place to be. We just talked about

758
00:35:33,878 --> 00:35:37,758
Speaker 4: it earlier regarding you know, the Devil Rays and Donnie Maddingly,

759
00:35:37,798 --> 00:35:40,678
Speaker 4: you want you want. This is a really spectacular place

760
00:35:40,678 --> 00:35:43,078
Speaker 4: to be if you're trying to bring that that empire.

761
00:35:43,198 --> 00:35:45,878
Speaker 4: So bully for him. I became a fan the moment

762
00:35:45,878 --> 00:35:48,638
Speaker 4: I read that quote. I definitely will be paying attention

763
00:35:48,798 --> 00:35:52,678
Speaker 4: because that's kind of interesting. And we'll see how he

764
00:35:52,718 --> 00:35:54,678
Speaker 4: follows up with it. I don't know anything about him,

765
00:35:54,838 --> 00:35:56,118
Speaker 4: but I do like the way he thinks.

766
00:35:56,598 --> 00:35:58,158
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, it seems like he's got a

767
00:35:58,158 --> 00:36:00,398
Speaker 1: really good sense of humor. At the press conference to

768
00:36:00,438 --> 00:36:02,918
Speaker 1: introduce him, he right away said, you know, I'm here

769
00:36:02,918 --> 00:36:04,398
Speaker 1: to win the World Series. I want to win a

770
00:36:04,398 --> 00:36:07,358
Speaker 1: World championship. And yet to your point to the Dodgers,

771
00:36:07,398 --> 00:36:09,598
Speaker 1: he was like, well, you know, they've already done that.

772
00:36:09,718 --> 00:36:12,038
Speaker 1: You know, I want to be to Dodgers, and the

773
00:36:12,038 --> 00:36:14,238
Speaker 1: way to do that is win here in Houston.

774
00:36:14,358 --> 00:36:14,798
Speaker 3: I love that.

775
00:36:15,158 --> 00:36:17,998
Speaker 1: Seems like you got a good sense of humor and again,

776
00:36:18,278 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 1: really good signing for the Houston Astros. Hey, we're going

777
00:36:21,038 --> 00:36:22,718
Speaker 1: to take a quick break here of the Book of Joe.

778
00:36:23,438 --> 00:36:26,358
Speaker 1: You talk about player movement. Sometimes, these players, it is

779
00:36:26,478 --> 00:36:27,638
Speaker 1: hard to keep track of them.

780
00:36:27,678 --> 00:36:27,918
Speaker 3: Joe.

781
00:36:27,958 --> 00:36:31,478
Speaker 1: How often, especially if you're a relief pitcher, how often

782
00:36:31,518 --> 00:36:34,558
Speaker 1: you're changing teams and organizations more so than ever. I

783
00:36:34,598 --> 00:36:36,598
Speaker 1: get an example for you. I'll give it to you

784
00:36:36,678 --> 00:36:51,518
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

785
00:36:51,558 --> 00:36:54,558
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Phillies added to their forty man roster, which

786
00:36:54,598 --> 00:36:56,598
Speaker 1: is a big thing, right Joe. This time of year,

787
00:36:56,638 --> 00:36:58,958
Speaker 1: if you can get a roster spot, I mean, it's

788
00:36:58,958 --> 00:37:01,078
Speaker 1: like gold, isn't it. If you're a guy bouncing around

789
00:37:01,678 --> 00:37:04,838
Speaker 1: beating on the forty man roster, that is a at

790
00:37:04,958 --> 00:37:06,678
Speaker 1: his gold because you don't want to come to spring

791
00:37:06,718 --> 00:37:08,638
Speaker 1: training on the minor league deal. Try to make good

792
00:37:08,638 --> 00:37:10,798
Speaker 1: and you're off somewhere else quickly. But getting on that

793
00:37:10,838 --> 00:37:14,678
Speaker 1: forty men roster is huge. Zach Pop, right handed pitcher,

794
00:37:15,038 --> 00:37:18,878
Speaker 1: was put on the Philadelphia Phillies roster. I gotta believe

795
00:37:18,878 --> 00:37:20,558
Speaker 1: I don't know what his nickname is, but shouldn't it

796
00:37:20,558 --> 00:37:23,798
Speaker 1: be Z pop ZIGGI? Z pop sounds like to me

797
00:37:23,838 --> 00:37:29,438
Speaker 1: an FM radio station. Here is Taylor Swift on Z pop. Anyway,

798
00:37:29,478 --> 00:37:31,078
Speaker 1: he did not have a good year last year, which

799
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:32,478
Speaker 1: I'm surprising that he's on the roster.

800
00:37:33,398 --> 00:37:34,758
Speaker 2: You talk about bouncing around.

801
00:37:34,758 --> 00:37:36,518
Speaker 1: First of all, he threw only six and two thirds

802
00:37:36,558 --> 00:37:38,998
Speaker 1: major league innings in which he allowed twelve runs and

803
00:37:39,038 --> 00:37:39,718
Speaker 1: fifteen hits.

804
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,918
Speaker 2: I mean, small sample size, Yeah, I get it.

805
00:37:42,878 --> 00:37:46,398
Speaker 1: Sinker slider guy throws the you know, ninety five, ninety six,

806
00:37:46,438 --> 00:37:49,798
Speaker 1: maybe ninety seven. You talk about being around. Let me

807
00:37:49,838 --> 00:37:54,358
Speaker 1: give you his itinerary. Joe twenty seventeen. He gets drafted

808
00:37:54,358 --> 00:37:56,438
Speaker 1: by the Dodgers in the seventh round. Next year, he

809
00:37:56,438 --> 00:37:58,878
Speaker 1: gets traded to the Orioles and the Manny Machado deal.

810
00:37:59,398 --> 00:38:01,358
Speaker 1: A couple of years later, he's a Rule five pick

811
00:38:01,438 --> 00:38:03,918
Speaker 1: by the Diamondbacks, who immediately trade him to the Marlins.

812
00:38:04,558 --> 00:38:06,398
Speaker 1: Two years later, the Marlins traded him to the Blue

813
00:38:06,478 --> 00:38:10,278
Speaker 1: Jays last April, right after the season started. The Blue

814
00:38:10,358 --> 00:38:12,958
Speaker 1: Jays release him. A couple of weeks later, he signs

815
00:38:12,998 --> 00:38:16,718
Speaker 1: with the Mariners. Two months later, the Mariners release him.

816
00:38:17,118 --> 00:38:19,558
Speaker 1: He signs with the Mets. A few days later. The

817
00:38:19,558 --> 00:38:23,918
Speaker 1: Mets dfa him three days after signing him. He pitched

818
00:38:23,958 --> 00:38:26,838
Speaker 1: ones for them, and then he signs with the Cubs

819
00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:28,758
Speaker 1: in July. Then at the end of the season, the

820
00:38:28,758 --> 00:38:31,918
Speaker 1: Cubs let him go, and now the Affilies have taken

821
00:38:31,958 --> 00:38:33,558
Speaker 1: a flyer on him and given him a forty man

822
00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:35,638
Speaker 1: roster spot. That's why I said, this is huge if

823
00:38:35,678 --> 00:38:37,518
Speaker 1: you're someone like Zach Pop to get on the forty

824
00:38:37,558 --> 00:38:39,638
Speaker 1: man roster of a really good team.

825
00:38:40,598 --> 00:38:44,518
Speaker 2: It's his ninth team in the last nine years, Joe.

826
00:38:44,998 --> 00:38:47,278
Speaker 1: I mean, you see this happening all the time that

827
00:38:48,198 --> 00:38:49,998
Speaker 1: you know, I think because of the university of guys

828
00:38:49,998 --> 00:38:53,118
Speaker 1: who could throw ninety six like Zach Pop does is

829
00:38:53,158 --> 00:38:55,718
Speaker 1: really good and every single team thinks, you know what,

830
00:38:55,798 --> 00:38:58,998
Speaker 1: if we can just do this with this pitch or

831
00:38:59,158 --> 00:39:01,598
Speaker 1: change the grip on this pitch or whatever it might be,

832
00:39:02,118 --> 00:39:04,918
Speaker 1: everybody thinks the guys one pitch from breaking through, and

833
00:39:04,958 --> 00:39:08,238
Speaker 1: you know what, it does happen a lot, right, So

834
00:39:08,798 --> 00:39:10,798
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you make of this, especially if

835
00:39:10,838 --> 00:39:12,878
Speaker 1: if you're a manager, Joe, or a pitching coach, a

836
00:39:12,958 --> 00:39:17,158
Speaker 1: hitting coaches, players come and go, and the ability to

837
00:39:17,198 --> 00:39:20,518
Speaker 1: add someone and he's been around, you know, he's he's

838
00:39:20,798 --> 00:39:23,638
Speaker 1: late twenties now, you know, and to get a piece

839
00:39:23,638 --> 00:39:26,398
Speaker 1: of clay like this and mold into something that he

840
00:39:26,478 --> 00:39:27,358
Speaker 1: never was before.

841
00:39:27,598 --> 00:39:29,478
Speaker 3: Options. How many options does he have left?

842
00:39:29,518 --> 00:39:32,958
Speaker 2: You know that I'm guessing he doesn't because.

843
00:39:33,358 --> 00:39:35,078
Speaker 3: Has he been up and down that many times?

844
00:39:35,318 --> 00:39:38,038
Speaker 1: He's been up and down that many times? Yeah, I

845
00:39:38,038 --> 00:39:40,038
Speaker 1: mean he got he became a free agent. A couple

846
00:39:40,078 --> 00:39:41,918
Speaker 1: of times of being outright at the Triple A and

847
00:39:41,918 --> 00:39:43,078
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I'm out of here.

848
00:39:43,238 --> 00:39:44,078
Speaker 3: I would just be curious.

849
00:39:44,118 --> 00:39:46,438
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the kind of guy to me, that's optionable.

850
00:39:46,478 --> 00:39:49,158
Speaker 4: I mean, got a big arm, and you could bring

851
00:39:49,238 --> 00:39:52,358
Speaker 4: him up and down, and he's got the P word

852
00:39:52,358 --> 00:39:55,478
Speaker 4: attach the potential, potential potential they love like you're talking about,

853
00:39:55,998 --> 00:39:59,798
Speaker 4: is he's an analytical darling where they can manipulate him.

854
00:39:59,838 --> 00:40:01,438
Speaker 4: I mean, and the fact that he's as old as

855
00:40:01,438 --> 00:40:04,158
Speaker 4: he is actually I think a benefit could he's not

856
00:40:04,198 --> 00:40:06,958
Speaker 4: going to be impacted by all this movement and stuff

857
00:40:06,998 --> 00:40:08,078
Speaker 4: and he's kind.

858
00:40:07,918 --> 00:40:08,518
Speaker 3: Of used to it.

859
00:40:08,638 --> 00:40:11,878
Speaker 4: So I would be curious if he has any options

860
00:40:11,918 --> 00:40:15,038
Speaker 4: available to him, because that's what it sounds like, that's

861
00:40:15,078 --> 00:40:15,798
Speaker 4: that's the kind of.

862
00:40:15,718 --> 00:40:17,318
Speaker 3: Guy you want experience, good arm.

863
00:40:17,638 --> 00:40:19,638
Speaker 4: You could send him up and down, you could fill

864
00:40:19,638 --> 00:40:22,758
Speaker 4: a variety of different roles if he's not optionable. I

865
00:40:22,798 --> 00:40:26,318
Speaker 4: don't quite understand that unless they're just they feel like

866
00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:29,318
Speaker 4: they have one spot left on that major league bullpen.

867
00:40:29,758 --> 00:40:32,398
Speaker 4: And if this guy just breaks right, this is somebody

868
00:40:32,398 --> 00:40:34,798
Speaker 4: who could at least break the season with It's not

869
00:40:34,838 --> 00:40:37,238
Speaker 4: a huge investment, so if it doesn't work out, well,

870
00:40:37,798 --> 00:40:39,358
Speaker 4: it's not going to cost us a lot of money.

871
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Speaker 4: But the p word, the potential word, has been attached

872
00:40:41,878 --> 00:40:45,278
Speaker 4: to this guy forever. And again, I've never seen him throw,

873
00:40:45,358 --> 00:40:46,918
Speaker 4: but that's immediately what I'm hearing.

874
00:40:46,798 --> 00:40:49,598
Speaker 3: When you when you when you described as his history.

875
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Speaker 1: He's got one hundred and sixty two major league innings

876
00:40:51,438 --> 00:40:55,518
Speaker 1: with a four point eight eight major league eer. Okay,

877
00:40:55,598 --> 00:40:58,998
Speaker 1: not great, but you never know. I mean, again, you

878
00:40:59,038 --> 00:41:02,158
Speaker 1: look at bullpens in the way that they're built. I'm

879
00:41:02,198 --> 00:41:04,518
Speaker 1: with you, Guys in their late twenties, early thirties to me,

880
00:41:04,638 --> 00:41:07,478
Speaker 1: or the guys that tend to pop no pun intended

881
00:41:07,678 --> 00:41:10,918
Speaker 1: for mister Zech pop. So we're at the point now, Joe,

882
00:41:10,958 --> 00:41:13,078
Speaker 1: we're you going to take us home? Not to set

883
00:41:13,158 --> 00:41:15,558
Speaker 1: us up here, but you're our closer, okay, our first

884
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,238
Speaker 1: podcast of twenty twenty six. What do you have to

885
00:41:18,318 --> 00:41:19,118
Speaker 1: finish us off?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, we're kind of been skirting

887
00:41:22,318 --> 00:41:27,518
Speaker 4: around it a little bit. The progress over perfection. I

888
00:41:27,518 --> 00:41:31,598
Speaker 4: mean this whole Everybody wants to be perfect with everything anymore,

889
00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:36,078
Speaker 4: and so there's perfection get in the way of progress

890
00:41:36,078 --> 00:41:39,638
Speaker 4: because everybody wants to have everything to be perfect, And

891
00:41:39,678 --> 00:41:45,598
Speaker 4: by seeking perfection you possibly choose to not take a

892
00:41:45,678 --> 00:41:48,198
Speaker 4: risk or a challenge that may lead to that because

893
00:41:48,238 --> 00:41:52,238
Speaker 4: you're worried about failing. So you know, for me, if

894
00:41:52,278 --> 00:41:54,518
Speaker 4: I finally arrive at the point where I really think

895
00:41:55,238 --> 00:41:57,038
Speaker 4: something is the right thing to do, I'm willing to

896
00:41:57,078 --> 00:42:01,558
Speaker 4: take that leap without really I guess this is where

897
00:42:01,558 --> 00:42:05,318
Speaker 4: the gut and intuition, whatever, all these other my thoughts

898
00:42:05,318 --> 00:42:08,758
Speaker 4: and ideas and qualities fit in. But I'm about progress

899
00:42:08,798 --> 00:42:12,118
Speaker 4: over perfection. It doesn't have to line up perfectly according

900
00:42:12,118 --> 00:42:14,558
Speaker 4: to all the statistical information, but if I think it's

901
00:42:14,638 --> 00:42:17,838
Speaker 4: leaning in the right direction, I'm in. Even Churchill, perfection

902
00:42:17,998 --> 00:42:20,878
Speaker 4: is the enemy of progress. Perfection is a boring concept.

903
00:42:21,398 --> 00:42:24,158
Speaker 4: And again we're talking about all these potentially moves to

904
00:42:24,198 --> 00:42:26,198
Speaker 4: be made, and everything has to be in line. So

905
00:42:26,318 --> 00:42:30,918
Speaker 4: the pop all right there is an example of not

906
00:42:31,038 --> 00:42:35,198
Speaker 4: a perfect situation, but possibly can progress what we're doing here.

907
00:42:35,358 --> 00:42:36,878
Speaker 4: So we're going to take an opportunity, more of an

908
00:42:36,918 --> 00:42:41,198
Speaker 4: intuitive kind of a sign right there. Continuous improvement is

909
00:42:41,198 --> 00:42:45,158
Speaker 4: better than delayed perfection. Start where you are, use what

910
00:42:45,238 --> 00:42:47,558
Speaker 4: you have, do what you can. Arthur Rash these kind

911
00:42:47,558 --> 00:42:51,758
Speaker 4: of things. So I guess I'm referencing, like I said,

912
00:42:51,758 --> 00:42:54,798
Speaker 4: intuition and feel a little bit right here, because just

913
00:42:54,878 --> 00:42:57,358
Speaker 4: in the world today, just even with the recent strikes

914
00:42:57,358 --> 00:42:59,998
Speaker 4: in Venezuela, regardless of what you feel about that, you

915
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,518
Speaker 4: have to attempt to do things. Maybe it's not a

916
00:43:02,518 --> 00:43:05,598
Speaker 4: perfect situation, but if in your mind's eye you believe

917
00:43:05,598 --> 00:43:07,118
Speaker 4: it's the right thing to do in the moment, you

918
00:43:07,238 --> 00:43:10,358
Speaker 4: do it based on all of your training. Like I said,

919
00:43:10,358 --> 00:43:14,078
Speaker 4: intellect and intuition. So perfection can be the enemy of progress,

920
00:43:14,518 --> 00:43:17,278
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's important to rely on your intuition and

921
00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:19,798
Speaker 4: feel based on all the information available.

922
00:43:20,238 --> 00:43:22,518
Speaker 1: I think it's really important, especially when you're talking as

923
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:26,118
Speaker 1: we have been about putting a staff together. You know,

924
00:43:26,398 --> 00:43:28,318
Speaker 1: I wonder, Joe, in your case, when you put your

925
00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:31,998
Speaker 1: different staffs together where there are times where you had

926
00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:36,038
Speaker 1: to sell the front office on adding a coach that

927
00:43:36,078 --> 00:43:39,158
Speaker 1: you really wanted, or is it basically always going through

928
00:43:39,278 --> 00:43:41,678
Speaker 1: the front office and maybe even starting with the front office.

929
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Speaker 4: It pretty much starts with the front office these days,

930
00:43:45,638 --> 00:43:49,318
Speaker 4: the days of a manager really hiring his own staff.

931
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Speaker 3: Gosh, when did that conclude?

932
00:43:52,918 --> 00:43:55,638
Speaker 4: I said, have been nineteen nineties, right around into the

933
00:43:55,638 --> 00:43:59,438
Speaker 4: two thousand era, early two thousand, I think was still

934
00:43:59,478 --> 00:44:01,118
Speaker 4: a thing because I know Sosi was able to hire

935
00:44:01,118 --> 00:44:03,838
Speaker 4: his own staff. I know for me with the Rays,

936
00:44:04,038 --> 00:44:05,878
Speaker 4: I got a couple guys I liked, and there's a

937
00:44:05,878 --> 00:44:09,198
Speaker 4: couple guys I was asked to retain as it got

938
00:44:09,238 --> 00:44:12,998
Speaker 4: further into Cubville in twenty fifteen, et cetera. That was

939
00:44:13,078 --> 00:44:16,118
Speaker 4: more of what the front office wanted. And definitely with

940
00:44:16,198 --> 00:44:19,638
Speaker 4: the Angels in the early twenty twenty et cetera, that

941
00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:22,318
Speaker 4: was definitely more with the front office wanted. Although I

942
00:44:22,318 --> 00:44:24,718
Speaker 4: did get Jeter Hines on my staff because I really

943
00:44:24,798 --> 00:44:28,238
Speaker 4: argued in his favor. So I think it's progressively gotten

944
00:44:28,278 --> 00:44:29,678
Speaker 4: away from that. I think it's more of a front

945
00:44:29,718 --> 00:44:32,838
Speaker 4: office call. Sometimes if you're going to be hired as

946
00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:35,278
Speaker 4: a manager if you make it. You know adamant that

947
00:44:35,598 --> 00:44:37,838
Speaker 4: if I get this job, I really want to bring

948
00:44:37,878 --> 00:44:40,878
Speaker 4: so and so with me as an example. So I

949
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Speaker 4: think as this has moved farther along, front office is

950
00:44:45,278 --> 00:44:50,198
Speaker 4: pretty much control all of that. You may make a suggestion,

951
00:44:50,758 --> 00:44:53,198
Speaker 4: but if it doesn't fit the sensibilities of the group,

952
00:44:53,638 --> 00:44:56,078
Speaker 4: they will bring whomever to bear that or argue for

953
00:44:56,838 --> 00:44:58,958
Speaker 4: the guy that they want to the point that they'll

954
00:44:58,958 --> 00:45:01,438
Speaker 4: just wear you down and eventually you can see it, Okay,

955
00:45:01,518 --> 00:45:05,078
Speaker 4: I'll take that particular guy. So even as I got

956
00:45:05,158 --> 00:45:08,878
Speaker 4: to the conclusion of my managerial career, I knew, because

957
00:45:08,878 --> 00:45:10,278
Speaker 4: a lot of guys would be calling me they want

958
00:45:10,318 --> 00:45:12,318
Speaker 4: a job, they want a job, I knew i'd have

959
00:45:12,478 --> 00:45:15,238
Speaker 4: very little input regarding whom we'd actually be able to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting stuff. Joe, Hey, good to have you back,

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Speaker 1: YouTube buddy, Happy New Year, Happy twenty twenty six, all

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