Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm Devin Simone and this is MTV's official
Speaker 1: Challenged podcast. Hey fam, I'm rolling solo today, semi solo.
Speaker 1: My girl da Von is out working on some things.
Speaker 1: Tory is as well, and Anisa. But don't worry. The
Speaker 1: gang is gonna be back together again soon. But this
Speaker 1: is still gonna be a very fun episode. I promise you. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the gold Star, You're gonna get the
Speaker 1: time out, and we are going to chat with Casey
Speaker 1: and Kenny Clark. Now, I know what you're thinking. You're
Speaker 1: probably thinking they haven't talked that much y'all season, But
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm involved, we're gonna ask them the
Speaker 1: questions and they actually we get to learn a lot
Speaker 1: and see a lot, and stay tuned for the end
Speaker 1: because we get to see a whole different side of Kenny. Also,
Speaker 1: it's a very, very very good episode. But first I'm
Speaker 1: want to dive into what happened this week. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know about y'all, but I know when it ended,
Speaker 1: I sat there with my mouth wide open. I was like,
Speaker 1: TJ has done a lot of diabolical thing. TJ has
Speaker 1: done a lot of questionable things, but this right here.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me you saw that. When they showed
Speaker 1: Kenny walking back up, I was like, like, I thought
Speaker 1: the episode was supposed to be over. So I'm like, waiter,
Speaker 1: they're gonna shore like a blooper or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: When they were like, oh, you thought the game was over,
Speaker 1: just wild like rounds of applause. So good. This was
Speaker 1: so good. This is better than when Jinshaw got arrested
Speaker 1: on Housewives. This was so so good. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it right there. I'm so excited to see what
Speaker 1: is coming in the upcoming episodes for that very reason.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, there's a lot of nominees for
Speaker 1: the gold Star of the Week. One of those nominees
Speaker 1: is Antonio Banderis. I mean, just his vibe, that voice,
Speaker 1: that like everything about it. So that's pretty cool. It
Speaker 1: was cool, Okay, so he's a nominee. Another nominee for
Speaker 1: gold Star of the Week is actually Devin's political game
Speaker 1: because watching him in the interrogation room with such sort
Speaker 1: of it almost felt like he came with the sense
Speaker 1: of humility. Now I'm not talking about when he did
Speaker 1: the interview, all right, I'm just talking about face value
Speaker 1: when he's sent across from the winning team, okay, and
Speaker 1: he's like saying, I'm being transparent with you, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I respect your decisions. I mean even I for a
Speaker 1: moment was like, okay, death all right, and then we
Speaker 1: see him an interview and he's like, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: being neo. I'm ducking and dodged in these answers, like
Speaker 1: you know, Nelson dodges responsibility for voting Olivia in. And
Speaker 1: so I applause to you, Devin, because that was some
Speaker 1: a plus political game. Well played, sir, But I think
Speaker 1: the ultimate gold Star is going to have to go
Speaker 1: to my man TJ. All Right. I don't have any
Speaker 1: commentary on his wardrobe this week. It was all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not really the plaid shirt. Let me know in
Speaker 1: the comments how you feel about it. But I was
Speaker 1: kind of questionable. But his plot twist on this season
Speaker 1: is just wee like, very good, very well thought out.
Speaker 1: I'm cited to see not only if we get to
Speaker 1: see Kenny you really come back in the game, but like,
Speaker 1: what happens how do you put the pairs back together
Speaker 1: now that you split them up. I also like secrets,
Speaker 1: so I like that. Nobody else in the house knows
Speaker 1: that this is happening. That's really great. Now let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Time Out of the Week, all right. So
Speaker 1: Time Out of the Week. There are some nominees here, Okay.
Speaker 1: One of them is my man, Jordan. I know some
Speaker 1: people to clarify, by the way, for the people that
Speaker 1: have tweeted me saying I only ride for the Vets,
Speaker 1: that is not true. I take it on a case
Speaker 1: by case basis. Or for those who may think that
Speaker 1: I only ride for my girls, Tour and Anissa because
Speaker 1: we are family, we are indeed family, but I will
Speaker 1: hold their feet to the fire like anyone else. I
Speaker 1: don't love how Jordan is handling this whole the Reese thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's definitely personal and like he's trying
Speaker 1: to kind of get back at Tory maybe for her,
Speaker 1: like you know, hookups with Emanuel and spies, lies and allies.
Speaker 1: We talked about that on Aftermath. If you didn't see it,
Speaker 1: go look it up on YouTube. So he gets a
Speaker 1: nominee for being the Time Out of the week. Who
Speaker 1: else gets a nominee for being Time Out of the Week.
Speaker 1: Let me think, honestly, I think it might just be
Speaker 1: him yeah, you know what. I feel like everybody else
Speaker 1: was on semidecent behavior. Yeah, the water gets a nominee
Speaker 1: for timeout, and the water doing Nannie like that when
Speaker 1: she fell into the water. Not cool. The water didn't cooperate.
Speaker 1: Didn't love that. But I'm gonna have to say that
Speaker 1: Jordan gets the time out of the week just for
Speaker 1: his handling of the neurice thing. I think it's messy.
Speaker 1: It's they're hinting out us that it's gonna get messier.
Speaker 1: It is not great. Honorable mention goes to the editors.
Speaker 1: I know we don't always talk about it behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: but the way they showed Nelson trying to say his
Speaker 1: the bark and the dog and the dog and the bark,
Speaker 1: the bark and the dog's a dog in the bark.
Speaker 1: They just playing Nelson this season and it's actually quite hilarious.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for that. This episode was so good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into it now. I know. The
Speaker 1: actual combat a piece was not particularly riveting. We had
Speaker 1: two teams, one team that was obviously gonna win and
Speaker 1: one team that at least showed up, which we always
Speaker 1: appreciate a team that shows up, but what went on
Speaker 1: after the fact was very good. And again that plot
Speaker 1: twist was a twist for life. So you're not gonna
Speaker 1: want to go anywhere. It's a very special episode. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys rocking with me. Like I said, my
Speaker 1: girls are gonna be back very very soon. But grab
Speaker 1: a snack, but don't go anywhere and get prepared to
Speaker 1: see a whole new side of Casey Clark and her
Speaker 1: brother Kenny Clark when we come back after this. All Right,
Speaker 1: I am so excited to have this dynamic duo on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Probably one of the most celebrated I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the most celebrated, probably one of the
Speaker 1: very few brothers sister teams in Challenge history. Please give
Speaker 1: it up for the incomparable Casey and Kenny Clark. What's
Speaker 1: up you guys, Welcome to the podcast. Thank you here. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to know this is the most pressing question
Speaker 1: that I'm sure everyone wants to know, um and of
Speaker 1: this whole interview are because you guys have multiple siblings, right,
Speaker 1: It's not just the two of you or is it
Speaker 1: just the two of you? Yeah? Are they all k names?
Speaker 1: Is it all Casey? All the way around noses. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're the only king. I didn't know if there was
Speaker 1: a theme going on or what. And what's the age
Speaker 1: difference between the two of you guys? What are the like?
Speaker 1: Sixteen sixteen months? Okay, So we're pretty close me and
Speaker 1: my brother were you know, we have the same mom
Speaker 1: and dad and we have you know, we have two
Speaker 1: younger twin brothers that you know, they have a different
Speaker 1: mom and then older siblings that have different dads. So
Speaker 1: we're the only ones that have the same mom and dad.
Speaker 1: But um, so we've been Yeah, we're super super close
Speaker 1: sixteen once apart. And yeah, and it shows watching that. Kenny,
Speaker 1: what when you first got the call or found out
Speaker 1: that you might be coming on this show? Yes, I
Speaker 1: see it all in your face, like please walk this through.
Speaker 1: You know, did they call you directly to Casey bring
Speaker 1: it up to you, like what was going on in
Speaker 1: that momentum? So Casey got the call first, obviously, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't a for sure thing. It was like maybe
Speaker 1: you know, they might be doing this, it might be
Speaker 1: doing that. So obviously when I got the call from Casey,
Speaker 1: I was at work and made it sound like super
Speaker 1: important and I was flipping out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't believe it. Of course I
Speaker 1: want to go on the show. Of course I want
Speaker 1: to go freak and compete. So I was pumped. I
Speaker 1: was jack sideways excited and I couldn't wait to tell
Speaker 1: you I could. I was like, oh this, I can
Speaker 1: bring a sibling on. Let me let me call my brother.
Speaker 1: And I was so excited because I know you'd be
Speaker 1: so pumped yea, And it was just I was so
Speaker 1: excited to tell you. Was there ever a moment of worry, Casey,
Speaker 1: because you know what goes on in this show, you know,
Speaker 1: the craziness and sort of I think the challenge that's
Speaker 1: not always spoken about. That's a part of the challenge
Speaker 1: is not just like the physical you know and sort
Speaker 1: of mental, but the emotional of what it's like being
Speaker 1: in that capsule, that environment. Was there ever a moment
Speaker 1: that you were a little nervous to tell Canny? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, walk us walk us through that. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it's like, I know the environment, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a while now, and what people
Speaker 1: don't see, you know, watching it. So my brother watches
Speaker 1: me every season. He doesn't fully understand like what I
Speaker 1: have to go through emotionally mentally, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: do I really want to bring my brother into this
Speaker 1: hot mess? Right? You know? I was, yeah, pressure cooker,
Speaker 1: so I was a little hesitant. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I do know my brother is very mentally strong and
Speaker 1: you can handle his own. So I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: were to bring in like a fa amily member, he
Speaker 1: would definitely be the first choice because I know he
Speaker 1: would be able to handle it. He's great with people.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he doesn't he doesn't know
Speaker 1: exactly how mentally toughness is. And and then there was
Speaker 1: a part of me like, you know what, I can't
Speaker 1: wait for you to come on here and see what
Speaker 1: big Sis had to go through first. Yeah, for a
Speaker 1: few years. So um, it was bittersweet for sure, But
Speaker 1: I know that he wanted, you know, he was excited
Speaker 1: to do something like this, and I just couldn't wait
Speaker 1: for him to experience it, because definitely experience of a lifetime,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Kenny did uh Casey or your soon
Speaker 1: to be sister in law, Nanny. I'm just going off speculation.
Speaker 1: I don't know any Insight team. But I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: put that out there. Did they give you any PEP
Speaker 1: talks before you actually like hit the ground over there,
Speaker 1: like and and if so, what were like kind of
Speaker 1: two takeaways from their advice? That's a interesting question. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they for sure gave me some PEP talks
Speaker 1: on you know, what to expect, how crazy it's gonna be,
Speaker 1: how draining it will be emotionally, mentally, physically. Um so,
Speaker 1: two things that came to mind. I mean it was
Speaker 1: just basically trust nobody, Trust nobody. I don't know what
Speaker 1: else was there. I mean it was just basically he
Speaker 1: didn't listen to y'all's advice. He didn't do anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's dive into this episode because this episode,
Speaker 1: I mean, we were saying before we got on the podcast. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I've seen the show, been on the show, watch many
Speaker 1: episodes because of the Aftermath podcast all that stuff. Challenge fan.
Speaker 1: I can't recall the last time I got to the
Speaker 1: end of an episode and my mouth literally dropped, Like
Speaker 1: I actually feel like my we've slipped a little bit,
Speaker 1: Like I just sat there like t J, No, you
Speaker 1: didn't and Kenny, you played a big role in that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that piece in a few minutes.
Speaker 1: But it was just wow, epic. But let's take it
Speaker 1: back to the beginning of this week because this is
Speaker 1: the first week that we see the official teams like
Speaker 1: in action. Right, what was the energy like in the
Speaker 1: house once teams had been chosen? Damn these heart this
Speaker 1: is like forever. God, I'm trying to remember, shim say
Speaker 1: that again. What was the energy like? You know, I
Speaker 1: can see the last time I interviewed you, you we
Speaker 1: were learning about how you fell asleep at the strip
Speaker 1: club the night before, and you said on the aftermath,
Speaker 1: couch quiet as hell while everybody talked you were not going.
Speaker 1: You should know by now. Okay, they don't call me
Speaker 1: Dwindy Williams. Actually Davon calls me that. So shout out
Speaker 1: to Davon for nothing. This is gonna be a real interview, Okay.
Speaker 1: So the question was what was the energy like in
Speaker 1: the house once these teams had been formed, because obviously,
Speaker 1: even if it's a little bit, the dynamic had to
Speaker 1: shift somewhat, right, like just because you're you're now playing
Speaker 1: against the person. Yeah, I mean it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because it's like, I mean, I once
Speaker 1: saw this coming and now we're in the house and
Speaker 1: I'm on a completely different team from my brother and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, you know, both on another team and we're
Speaker 1: going against them, and it's it's it's weird. But in
Speaker 1: this game, it was like you gotta expect the unexpected,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about yeah, look here I am
Speaker 1: going against my damn ride or die and my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: So it was it was interesting. It was different. I
Speaker 1: mean that's how I felt it was. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was super unexpected. We didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going to happen. We knew something was
Speaker 1: going to happen, maybe teams, maybe individual we weren't sure.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it's super weird going against the person
Speaker 1: that you know, your your your ride or die. Um,
Speaker 1: So it was interesting, but we're I mean, we're up
Speaker 1: for it. So did you guys have the sort of
Speaker 1: three of you because you guys are in a really
Speaker 1: unique position here this season because like you said, see
Speaker 1: you kind of you have two family members effectively in
Speaker 1: this game. So you have Kenny, you have Nannie. Did
Speaker 1: you guys continue to hold strategy ish conversations at all
Speaker 1: like the three of you, even though you were on
Speaker 1: opposing teams or did you kind of once the teams
Speaker 1: were decided to go, okay, let's just not really talk
Speaker 1: game from this point forward. I mean it was more
Speaker 1: of like, hey, let's protect each other as much as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it also too, it came down to like, even
Speaker 1: though you know they're two separate teams, people were still
Speaker 1: using their relationships on the opposite team as and like,
Speaker 1: how can we still work together? How can we still
Speaker 1: keep each other in the game. So of course, like
Speaker 1: you know, I was never ever going to go against
Speaker 1: my brother or Nannie and be like vote the men.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys are a target live, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, um, it was kind of like in
Speaker 1: a advantage as you know, at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: having two people that I fully trust on the opposite side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you were definitely winning this episode. Um. You
Speaker 1: also pulled out all the emotions which were also going
Speaker 1: to get to you. We saw the most arguably we've
Speaker 1: seen from Casey in many seasons. So I'm excited to
Speaker 1: delve into your emotional side. I feel like every season
Speaker 1: I'm always crying. No, but this one you did cry,
Speaker 1: but this one would hit different. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. I do you know what it is. It's
Speaker 1: because me and my brother are only family sibling, right, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's different. Right. It's not just someone
Speaker 1: that we met or someone that we were doing the
Speaker 1: season with. This is my blood that I grew up
Speaker 1: with since I was a you know, a baby. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's different. It hits different. And
Speaker 1: and when you play this game, it seems like it's
Speaker 1: it's real life. It becomes your normal, right, and so
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just so unique and different and weird.
Speaker 1: I've done, you know, so many things with my brother
Speaker 1: in life and then to now play this game and like,
Speaker 1: you know, feeling like that you know him leaving, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's it just hits different. It was so
Speaker 1: beautiful to see, like, I you walking down there all
Speaker 1: swag tastic like, which I love you, like sort of
Speaker 1: did like a little skip to the step and then
Speaker 1: you did like a little swag walk you know, out
Speaker 1: saying he did. And then I'm like, oh, she's gonna
Speaker 1: play this cool. And then when you hugged Kenny, it
Speaker 1: was just seriously, one of the most beautiful moments. You
Speaker 1: could feel. You could just feel the love and Kenny
Speaker 1: a testament to you. I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I've ever seen TJ describe someone as like the sweetest
Speaker 1: as sweet period, but let love. Yeah. And I mean
Speaker 1: during the the hug where where you know I was leaving,
Speaker 1: I was so emotional that I couldn't say anything. Now,
Speaker 1: I kind of couldn't speak the only words I get it, Yes,
Speaker 1: that is like I love you or you know, like whatever.
Speaker 1: It was just like I was just so emotional that
Speaker 1: it was really special. It really was so beautiful to watch.
Speaker 1: And it's It's sort of one of those things because
Speaker 1: Casey sometimes flies under the radar when it comes to
Speaker 1: social and gameplay. I think sometimes, you know, fans watching
Speaker 1: it's that Casey doesn't really make waves in that way,
Speaker 1: so people are like, no one wants to mess with me, okay,
Speaker 1: or that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing now.
Speaker 1: I am saying the fact that you were falling asleep
Speaker 1: on the aftermath couch because you were at the strip
Speaker 1: club the night before our interview last season, is a
Speaker 1: bad thing. But I'm not saying something but when you
Speaker 1: do show up, you do bring all the fields and
Speaker 1: all the emotion and really connect with viewers because certainly,
Speaker 1: like when you went up against Nannie that time, like,
Speaker 1: oh that was a heartbreaker as well. So some of
Speaker 1: the best emotional moments come from Kate. You just kind
Speaker 1: of like you do exactly what you did when you
Speaker 1: ran into the zone a hug, can't you do like
Speaker 1: a little skip and a step and then you swagger
Speaker 1: out in the emotion part and then you go, you
Speaker 1: saunter back to your I'm efficient with my time. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go. There we go. You were efficient one
Speaker 1: hundred percent efficient with your time. Now, let's talk strategy
Speaker 1: about this daily challenge. So when you arrive and you're
Speaker 1: looking at it, did the teams instantly huddle? Did the
Speaker 1: Pink team sort of automatically go, oh, yeah, we got this,
Speaker 1: Like what what was the energy that you two fell
Speaker 1: in there? I mean, being on the smaller team, we
Speaker 1: obviously had a huge disadvantage size wise, so we knew
Speaker 1: that we need to bring more strategy than than we
Speaker 1: couldn't strength, So we were trying to figure out like
Speaker 1: who should match up with who, and then who should
Speaker 1: go first? And stuff like that. So I came up
Speaker 1: with the idea like, hey, like Bessy's probably gonna win
Speaker 1: against anybody, and you guys have the like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense for me, being the smallest guy, to waste
Speaker 1: one of our chances. So that was a strategy, was
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna take Bessie just to take that
Speaker 1: loss so we at least have a chance. Smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was very smart. Did you even Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: mean it. It was gonna come out shady. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just say it now, Kenny, but I don't mean it
Speaker 1: that way. Did you actually because that was your strategy,
Speaker 1: did you actually try and fight against Bessie or did
Speaker 1: you kind of go, I'm gonna just let him push
Speaker 1: me off because I know that, like my strategy is
Speaker 1: just for him to use up. Of course, in my mind,
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm kind of crazy. I think that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I have a chance. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pull this off. And then I go up there
Speaker 1: and then one second and look, I was rooting for
Speaker 1: you too when they were doing the OTF Kitty, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I was like, wait a minute, is
Speaker 1: this the upset moment? Like wait a minute, maybe, like
Speaker 1: Kenny pulls out some fit work. And then when Bessie
Speaker 1: was talking about it in his interview, he kind of
Speaker 1: had like a smile on his face as he was
Speaker 1: recounting it, And I'm like, nah, he's smiling a little
Speaker 1: too much, right, And I've gotten beat by Kenny. So
Speaker 1: I'm guessing this maybe goes the other way. But that
Speaker 1: was very very smart. Casey. What was you alls strategy
Speaker 1: on your team? Um? Well, we knew we had the
Speaker 1: bigger body team, and we knew that that. You know,
Speaker 1: they were gonna the other the girls we're ever gonna
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like who they're gonna go against.
Speaker 1: For some reason, nan Eat thought that why I was
Speaker 1: just gonna go against her and just give her that eat.
Speaker 1: You know, well because she knows that I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: like hurt her or what exactly. Actually, yeah, that maybe
Speaker 1: we put Nannie against Casey so that she feels bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wasn't. I would feel bad. I think we
Speaker 1: would be standing up there all all day if I
Speaker 1: had to go against her. Um, but Mariah didn't expect
Speaker 1: me to go against her, so um, yeah, I ended
Speaker 1: up going against Brash. She was the biggest one on
Speaker 1: their team. And were you allowed to make a switch,
Speaker 1: so like, would you've been allowed to see, Oh you could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can make a decision on based on whoever they
Speaker 1: you know, put up. We can be like, okay, so
Speaker 1: and so I was gonna go against this person. So
Speaker 1: when Maria said Okay, I'm going first, we pre planned that,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna go against her, and Mariah
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting that. And you know why wasn't Mariah expecting that? Well,
Speaker 1: they thought I was gonna go against Nanni. That's what
Speaker 1: they just assume that you would have got board, well
Speaker 1: because we were kind of talking about it in the
Speaker 1: beginning before going on and just kind of like but
Speaker 1: we kind of were trying to keep them on their toes,
Speaker 1: so they didn't couldn't plan. So you're saying, you played Nannie. Okay, Casey,
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. All right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: played you played the emotion card a little bit, all right,
Speaker 1: I got you got to choose who goes first, like
Speaker 1: that they chose Mariah first, and that Casey's team got
Speaker 1: to choose whoever they went, So that was the only
Speaker 1: strategy that you had. Yeah, you get to choose who
Speaker 1: goes first. They should have waited for Mariah um and
Speaker 1: waited until the return, but they didn't really have the strategy,
Speaker 1: just like you up there. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was interesting. A lot of us, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of them happened a lot faster. A lot of
Speaker 1: people flew off a lot faster really than what ith
Speaker 1: Who went off the fastest, went off the fastest? Well
Speaker 1: the editors did you? Well, can you at least because
Speaker 1: at least looked like for about half a second when
Speaker 1: we see Nanni take that devastating fall, right, what instantly
Speaker 1: like what was the energy? And he talked about it
Speaker 1: a little bit too casey on the episode, but can
Speaker 1: you just recount kind of like, what were the emotions
Speaker 1: that were going through your mind when you saw her
Speaker 1: floating in the water? Um? This I had, I went
Speaker 1: through all the emotions for real because it I was
Speaker 1: like my mind completely just went out of the game
Speaker 1: and into real life. Right, So it was it went
Speaker 1: on a lot longer than obviously the show whatever the
Speaker 1: show showed. But it was I felt so helpless, I
Speaker 1: really did, and I felt like, you know, I was
Speaker 1: like not even thinking about the game like a game
Speaker 1: of course, and it was his real life. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my girlfriend literally down at the water and I'm
Speaker 1: literally like yelling, screaming, like get her out the water,
Speaker 1: get out the water, and just like all these things.
Speaker 1: I'm worried because she's just literally laying there like in
Speaker 1: the cold ass water, and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And I almost jumped off the platform and I was
Speaker 1: about to go, you know, and it was just there
Speaker 1: were so many emotions running through my head. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell's happening? Like this is you know, at
Speaker 1: the game, Like my girlfriend is literally laying there right now.
Speaker 1: Somebody needs a helper. And it was scary. It was
Speaker 1: super scary because she had a bad fall and she
Speaker 1: wasn't moving and I felt like I'm just literally staring
Speaker 1: at her from top and I'm just like it seemed
Speaker 1: like just minutes we were just going past, you know,
Speaker 1: passing by. I'm like, somebody needs a help her. It
Speaker 1: was scary. Did she hit the because because obviously Nanny
Speaker 1: being a vent in this game and a badass and
Speaker 1: you as well, many of us have taken a tumbo
Speaker 1: off platform, you know, like in events like this, So
Speaker 1: what do you think was different here? Like did she
Speaker 1: fall weird? Did she hit something on the way down?
Speaker 1: Like what do you think happen? I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: with this whole heights over water, I always end up falling,
Speaker 1: falling in and like hurting myself some kind of way
Speaker 1: because like you can't really control your landing totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're we're wrestling above water, and you know, you just
Speaker 1: don't know how you're gonna land because we're wrest and um,
Speaker 1: she just hit it, you know, the wrong way and
Speaker 1: knocked the wind out of her or something. And but
Speaker 1: it looked like I literally I thought she broke her
Speaker 1: neck because I'm looking at it floating just like dude,
Speaker 1: and her eyes were just like rolling behind her, you
Speaker 1: know head and I'm just like, oh my goodness. But
Speaker 1: it's just like it's hard to control your fall when
Speaker 1: you're falling into the water after wrestling, you know and
Speaker 1: gear on and all that stuff. Yeah, when we saw
Speaker 1: her get into the ambulance, it looked like she was trembling.
Speaker 1: Was she shaking because of the fall or was it
Speaker 1: just freezing cold that day? Also? Um, I believe it
Speaker 1: was all of it. The water was cold, and she
Speaker 1: was in there probably much longer than she should have been.
Speaker 1: You know, her body was just in shock, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was scary. It was, it
Speaker 1: was super scary. Yeah. I mean at that point, I
Speaker 1: was like, get me off this damn platform and take Yeah,
Speaker 1: how was I'm saying? I believe I think this was
Speaker 1: it was after my turn or oh yeah, I already
Speaker 1: went so um. I mean honestly, I was just checked out.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care, Just give me off
Speaker 1: this damn platform, and I need to make sure she's
Speaker 1: good because I really could care less about this damn game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So um yeah, I just became real life real quick
Speaker 1: for sure. Well, we're glad that Nan is okay. Came
Speaker 1: back in the house. In true Nanni fashion, I will
Speaker 1: say this, I was too nice. Um. I once had
Speaker 1: to come back into the house after going missing because
Speaker 1: Nanni got in a fight with Camilla, and I came
Speaker 1: back into the house excited and full of energy, and
Speaker 1: no one even noticed I was missing. Um, So, Nanni,
Speaker 1: at least they were there excited for you, and we're
Speaker 1: so glad that you are doing okay, because you are
Speaker 1: very very left real quick. You know, when she walked
Speaker 1: in the house and she was all bubbling everything, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're very cheery, right. She has no
Speaker 1: idea how bad her faull was. She has no idea
Speaker 1: yelling and going crazy and getting all emotional. She didn't.
Speaker 1: I was literally going crazy. She didn't know any of
Speaker 1: that was going on. So when she came in the
Speaker 1: house like all cheering stuff, I'm like, wow, she really
Speaker 1: doesn't know how bad it was. She does because she
Speaker 1: doesn't because did she like black out? So she didn't
Speaker 1: even really remember. She fat she didn't remember. She didn't.
Speaker 1: She didn't remember any of that in show. It's just
Speaker 1: like I was so confused. I was like, you really
Speaker 1: don't know how bad this was, right right? It's either
Speaker 1: that or what happy juice did they give you. She
Speaker 1: came back and she's like all right, I'm ready to
Speaker 1: go out, and they're like, no, you gotta stay here.
Speaker 1: That we stayed in that night, that is so wild. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that she's okay. Um came into the house
Speaker 1: a full of energy. Now after Team Yellow lost, what
Speaker 1: was the vibe the next day around deliberations like, it
Speaker 1: seems like you guys were very confident that both teams
Speaker 1: were very confident that the losing team essentially would get
Speaker 1: to decide the second person that would be going into
Speaker 1: the zone. It was all speculation, like we had no
Speaker 1: idea if there was going to be a draw, we
Speaker 1: had no idea if there was gonna be a call
Speaker 1: out or wrote like, it was just all speculation. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were talking about all different angles and yeah,
Speaker 1: good idea. Yeah, because we were just like, oh man,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll maybe it'll take the Daggers out, maybe the
Speaker 1: halfway through, but the Daggers. Every time we showed up
Speaker 1: to the zone, we're like, oh man, these Daggers are
Speaker 1: so fired. There's no way they're gonna let go these
Speaker 1: Daggers yet. So yeah, it was just so like it
Speaker 1: literally kept us on our toes every time we walk
Speaker 1: into the zone and we're like, yes, this is the
Speaker 1: best part the Daggers. So yeah, there's a high chance
Speaker 1: of you know, still seeing the Daggers, and we expected that.
Speaker 1: I love that. I also loved a how Casey you
Speaker 1: really shout out your brother every time you could, even
Speaker 1: in moments where you knew that maybe he wasn't seen
Speaker 1: as the strongest player. Like I loved how you were like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Kenny's the baddest, so like where and Kenny,
Speaker 1: I love that you went in and acknowledge that you're
Speaker 1: the baddest in deliberation or interrogation. And then you also
Speaker 1: though volunteered yourself in. When did you decide that you
Speaker 1: were going to do that? And had you told anyone
Speaker 1: else on your team at that point? No, I did
Speaker 1: not tell anybody else on my team. I knew that
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, I had the least amount experience
Speaker 1: at that point. Prosser had three eliminations already, I had zero. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Devon and Jordan have a ton of experience, so I
Speaker 1: knew that I was the smallest guy and the least experience.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna go in. So I'm gonna go in.
Speaker 1: Maybe there was a chance that I can get a
Speaker 1: call out where if I'm voted in, I get to
Speaker 1: choose who I was going up agains because we didn't
Speaker 1: know if the Diaggers was gonna be a play again,
Speaker 1: so I just thought, hey, you know, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: go in. Might as well see if I can get
Speaker 1: some control of who I have a chance to choose, right, Casey,
Speaker 1: what was it like to be in you know, interrogation
Speaker 1: and hear all the other girls sort of you know,
Speaker 1: defending or protecting their ride er dies on the other side.
Speaker 1: Did you feel a certain type of way with that? No,
Speaker 1: I mean, as they should. I'm really good with like
Speaker 1: differentiating game and personal you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, so people know that you know, No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. Um, you know, I'm not like blind
Speaker 1: to you know, what's going on in the game. So um, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't hurt my feelings, you know. And
Speaker 1: then for my brother to the way he handled himself,
Speaker 1: like in the interrogation, I was like, yep, that's right.
Speaker 1: You know. My brother is very good, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's smart. You know, he's smart even though he's never
Speaker 1: played this game before, he knows. He's also not blind
Speaker 1: to what's going on. So, um, he handled it very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely did handle it very well. Kenny. How did
Speaker 1: it feel watching Amber and Mariah and your team sort
Speaker 1: of talk about sending you in. Did you have any
Speaker 1: inclination that that was happening? Oh? I mean I mean
Speaker 1: to me, it was it was obvious. You know that
Speaker 1: I was the smallest guy at least experience, So I
Speaker 1: knew that they wanted to obviously keep their team stronger.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean our team is wrong? Um so,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I don't see. Yeah, he's still there,
Speaker 1: m so. But no, they weren't talking about, you know, publicly, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we want to put you in Kenny, I can do that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, sometimes people sometimes people do are upfront.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are not. Everyone is a snake on the show, Kenny,
Speaker 1: just most, but not everybody. Trust no one. You trust me,
Speaker 1: I believe you know, some people the streets be talking.
Speaker 1: Casey definitely has a social game. She comes from Big Brother.
Speaker 1: We know how we feel about Big Brother. People watch them.
Speaker 1: We've got to watch them because you never got a
Speaker 1: backstabber Big Brother person. Okay, and everyone knows that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Big Brother people say to keep you
Speaker 1: off their tracks. That's all I'm gonna say. You didn't
Speaker 1: watch my Big Brother season. I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: definitely didn't. But I but I still I still rock
Speaker 1: with you. I still love you. I would trust you
Speaker 1: if I were in that Challenge House because I do
Speaker 1: think that they they say trust no one, but I
Speaker 1: think there are a few people that you can trust.
Speaker 1: So Devin's part of the big brother in lines. Now,
Speaker 1: oh well, thank you. I mean I am Davon's partner
Speaker 1: in crime. So I feel like by association, although do
Speaker 1: know that I am real world for life. Got to
Speaker 1: hold down real world Brooklyn. Um, so we need to
Speaker 1: take a quick break, but hold tight because when we
Speaker 1: come back, we've got so much more. Okay, let's play
Speaker 1: a mini game up who would you trust in the house?
Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you names I would trust,
Speaker 1: and then I want to hear from you guys if
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, thumbs up that person's trustworthy in this game,
Speaker 1: or thumbs down without giving away any spoilers. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I trust Casey. I trust Nannie because I've done games
Speaker 1: with her before. I trust Nannie in the house. I
Speaker 1: definitely don't trust Nelson at all. Do you guys trust Nelson?
Speaker 1: I trust Nelson, but he I love Nelson so much. Um,
Speaker 1: I do trust him. I feel like he's easy to read,
Speaker 1: He's easy for him to lie. That's probably fair, That's
Speaker 1: really fair. Yeah, you're telling himself, he would tell he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be trying to be honest. Yeah, okay, Um, I
Speaker 1: trust Jordan. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think you could trust Jordan.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's, like Tori says, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a man of his word. Yeah, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna lie to your face. Yeah I don't think so either. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't trust Devon. Yeah, Devon's a wild card. I
Speaker 1: love him and he doesn't mean well. Um, but he's
Speaker 1: tricky and you stay on your toes with him. He's
Speaker 1: a mastermind. Like he's a mastermind. I trusted Devon a lot. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: but do you still trust him now, Kenny? Because you
Speaker 1: said past tense, you said I trusted Devon? Do you
Speaker 1: still trust him? I trusted Devon a lot. Um, I
Speaker 1: still trust him because we had a great connection. He's
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends on the show. And when
Speaker 1: the elimination night he went, he went up to me
Speaker 1: when no one was around, when no one was around,
Speaker 1: to us, right that. Yeah, I believe that. Um, he says,
Speaker 1: whatever happens tonight, just know that I got your your
Speaker 1: sister's back, I'm gonna look out for Oh that's sweet
Speaker 1: and I believe were manipulated one of the team, right, well,
Speaker 1: you know one of the season prior I gave him
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. You did a long term play right there.
Speaker 1: That isn't that is a long term play. Wait, so
Speaker 1: you still didn't fully answer the question, Kenny, do you
Speaker 1: still trust him in the game sense, not as him
Speaker 1: as a person, but like, now, would you trust him
Speaker 1: in the house? Yes? Or no? After watching how many
Speaker 1: connections he had in the house, it would be harder
Speaker 1: to trust him, but I still would. But just knowing,
Speaker 1: like when it came to getting rid of someone on
Speaker 1: our team, I knew Devin would want to get rid
Speaker 1: of me, right, I trust me the word in the
Speaker 1: sense where he would if he gave me his word
Speaker 1: on something. Yeah, Benny, I would believe him. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: also understand like how he plays. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that would go into the trust camp. I like
Speaker 1: that explanation. That makes sense. All right, let's see, um Amber,
Speaker 1: I feel like I would trust Amber in the game. Casey,
Speaker 1: you're making faces? What are your thoughts? Pi? Um? So Amber?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, I absolutely love Amber outside the
Speaker 1: game and the game it can be super tricky, you know,
Speaker 1: because I know that, you know, we still try to
Speaker 1: fill each out, fill each other out every season, just
Speaker 1: kind of like where's her head at? And I know
Speaker 1: she just you know, just we just play two different games.
Speaker 1: And um, I really didn't talk to Amber too much
Speaker 1: about game this season. So do you trust trust her
Speaker 1: in that? Or like would you look all right? Not
Speaker 1: not like fully trust? No, Okay, that's not full No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. You know, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: trust people in this game. Like if I trust nearly,
Speaker 1: that's this is a trust exert this is free therapy, Casey,
Speaker 1: it's a trust exercise for you trust and that's Nanny
Speaker 1: and Kenny and that's it. That's it. Oh, because that
Speaker 1: was my next one. I was gonna ask do you
Speaker 1: trust because I know you guys have a tight relationship,
Speaker 1: so Bessie would because I wouldn't trust Bessie in the house,
Speaker 1: but would you would both of you trust Bessie in
Speaker 1: this game? I trust them, yeah, I mean I know
Speaker 1: how close they are literally call each other brother and sister.
Speaker 1: So okay, I trust Bessie. Yeah, as much as far
Speaker 1: as I can throw him. I'm just kidding there were
Speaker 1: getting getting the petty kinny. I knew it existed. I knew. Yeah, okay, No,
Speaker 1: I know that they're so close that he would obviously
Speaker 1: do his best to look out for me. Yeah, okay
Speaker 1: when he can. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. All right,
Speaker 1: let's just round it out because it is. We obviously
Speaker 1: know you guys trust Nanni. Um And as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: I actually trust Night in the game. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about a partner real quick. Would you trust or did
Speaker 1: you trust Bananas in the game even after you guys
Speaker 1: got moved into the teams, did you trust Bananas? I
Speaker 1: don't even think Nannie fully trusted him. Yeah, just like
Speaker 1: what do you see right when you see how people
Speaker 1: move in this game, like you really have to like
Speaker 1: take ship with the grain of salt. You kind of
Speaker 1: like see how someone plays and you're like, ah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know how they move. So, um, I don't fully
Speaker 1: trust him, you know, but you know, then again, he's
Speaker 1: partnered with Nanni, and you know she doesn't I know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't fully trust him. She knows, you know, the
Speaker 1: kind of game that he plays. But I trust him
Speaker 1: a little bit because he has partnered with Nannie. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. I was surprised on how cool and
Speaker 1: awesome Johnny Bananas was really tell us more. Yeah. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, with just past history and you know, taking
Speaker 1: the money and like sneakiness or whatever, I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be this like big villain on the show.
Speaker 1: But he was playing, you know, guitar and we're seeing
Speaker 1: in a jam and he was just like really cool. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he was just like really cool. I was surprised, I thought,
Speaker 1: and I think um Mariah was surprised as well, because like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: she's like stay away from that bananas. Guy would right
Speaker 1: to those bananas. Yes, Uh, he's like that. He really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, his reputation is huge in this house and
Speaker 1: in this game overall because he's been a round for
Speaker 1: you know, a million and a half years and has
Speaker 1: a left sexual legacy. But he's actually a pretty He
Speaker 1: can be a very down to earth, like smart, chill guy.
Speaker 1: Like he voice echoes through the young house, I mean
Speaker 1: outside first out here in the morning, voice so hilarious. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the older you get, your hearing
Speaker 1: starts to go. So you gotta talk about louder years old,
Speaker 1: But no Bananas is pretty cool speaking of how people
Speaker 1: make moves in this game in the house and sort
Speaker 1: of the personal aspect and the relationship aspect, like Mariah
Speaker 1: and Bananas and Nelson and Olivia, which I still I
Speaker 1: still and shout out to. Olivia actually DMed me the
Speaker 1: other day, um because she knows I ride for her
Speaker 1: and my disappointment in um her allowing Nelson to get
Speaker 1: away with so much. Like, so Nelson is going to
Speaker 1: be my standard now when explaining relationships you don't want
Speaker 1: and I don't mean that, and that Nelson's not a
Speaker 1: good good partner overall, because I Nelly knows I love him.
Speaker 1: But Nelson in this game and the way he manages
Speaker 1: to vote people in is just wild. But that's that's
Speaker 1: another time. And it's like it's kind of like he's
Speaker 1: looking more towards like game. But they were hooking. But Casey,
Speaker 1: now you know, let's take it back to when you
Speaker 1: and nan first got together. Now you cannot tell me
Speaker 1: even in the first couple of weeks, the minute you
Speaker 1: and Nannie snuggled under not even a full cover, even
Speaker 1: if you had half a blanket on that if you
Speaker 1: had voted her into like a zone arena. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me Nannie wouldn't have come after you.
Speaker 1: I know her. She would have. She would have cut
Speaker 1: my head off exactly. Um. I can't wait till I
Speaker 1: love Nelson. I can't wait till we have him on
Speaker 1: another couple in the house. That was I feel like
Speaker 1: we're watching a build up. No spoilers, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like the last few episodes we've been kind of
Speaker 1: watching this thing start to get bigger. You guys know
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, which is Tory and Jordan
Speaker 1: um dynamic in the house. Casey is making a face
Speaker 1: of this time listeners for sure, Casey, what tell me
Speaker 1: your thoughts around this whole Tory and Jordan thing with
Speaker 1: Maurice thing that's happening at the time. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: mean you can you can feel attention. I mean you
Speaker 1: can feel attension, you know, And it's like I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jordan and Tory, you don't have to
Speaker 1: go through being in this house, not having having not
Speaker 1: seen each other for like a year and some change,
Speaker 1: and now coming to this pressure cooker and then I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just I feel for the man. But
Speaker 1: you can definitely feel attension I feel for Tory and
Speaker 1: having to like, you know, see that and be around
Speaker 1: that with you know, your whole ex fiance in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's definitely it's definitely a
Speaker 1: hard place to be and you know, to the kind
Speaker 1: of situation to be in. But um, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you guys hear you know, their arguments or disagreements
Speaker 1: around when she was yelling at them about cuddling with
Speaker 1: therese mm hmm, yeah, a couple of them. Oh, there
Speaker 1: was multiples. I mean for the specific cuddling with nurse. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was Tori's like like I
Speaker 1: was next to the Oh okay, you got it was
Speaker 1: like cuddling with with Tori, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and and they were trying to figure out things.
Speaker 1: And then and then obviously it took a turn in
Speaker 1: Jordan's hanging out with Nourse and cuddling. And you know,
Speaker 1: Tori thought that they were like getting it in because
Speaker 1: the walls are so small or so thin. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were right next door. No, you could hear it hearing,
Speaker 1: like and so she thought they were Oh she heard
Speaker 1: the bed knocking, So we don't know, we don't know
Speaker 1: what that into, you know what I mean, It could
Speaker 1: have just been I don't know. I mean, yeah, the
Speaker 1: security footage does. But yeah, okay, so that gives even
Speaker 1: more credence because on it, because we've talked about it
Speaker 1: on the podcast just a yes, how challenging it would
Speaker 1: be to watch your former fiance where clearly they both
Speaker 1: still have love for each other, like that's a parent right,
Speaker 1: The emotion they wouldn't be is emotionally involved if they
Speaker 1: didn't still care deeply for one another, but having to
Speaker 1: watch them with someone else, and it seemed a little
Speaker 1: bit as a viewer what was interesting. So last week
Speaker 1: Davon I think and a Nisas sort of felt like
Speaker 1: maybe it even seemed like Jordan was trying to be
Speaker 1: vindictive with the nourice thing, and this episode it kind
Speaker 1: of seemed like it confirmed it. He mentioned something to
Speaker 1: the effect of like, oh, now you know what it
Speaker 1: feels like to watch your partner, you know, on national TV,
Speaker 1: or something to that effect. Casey, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah, No, thousand percent, I feel like he
Speaker 1: was doing it in a way because he you know,
Speaker 1: he's you know, they obviously they still have love for
Speaker 1: each other, and I think this is not the place
Speaker 1: like hash shit out, you know. Um. And I feel that,
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing it in a way of
Speaker 1: just like being kind of like petty. I love Jordan,
Speaker 1: but yeah, same because he was hurt, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and so yep, and then what can I
Speaker 1: do to you know, hurt her? And this would be
Speaker 1: his time to kind of like take a shot because
Speaker 1: it's their first season, you know, doing you know, different
Speaker 1: season together after not you know, for a while, and
Speaker 1: you know it's just not the right way to go
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, Like it's kind of like having that
Speaker 1: common curtacy, you know, something that you you know, you've
Speaker 1: had this whole life within this history. Like I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel right, you know, messing with somebody else in
Speaker 1: front of someone that you know, obviously you know there's
Speaker 1: still that love between them two. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so yeah, so public. Yea, that was hard to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think and too. We appreciate them and
Speaker 1: all of you guys for living authentically on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I ever want to say anything to Casey,
Speaker 1: it would be f you for making me cry watching
Speaker 1: the challenge, And I've cried now multiple times from watching
Speaker 1: these powerful moments that you've had where you kind of
Speaker 1: let us peek into just your feelings. Um, now let
Speaker 1: us get into this elimination and then this swag alicious
Speaker 1: plot twist. So, Kenny, when you see what the competition
Speaker 1: is going to be in the zone, initial thoughts are
Speaker 1: you did your mind goes straight to construction worker, like
Speaker 1: you said in your interview, where you're like, Carassio's got this.
Speaker 1: I think he works in construction or were you like
Speaker 1: what are these tools? Like? What was your initial thought?
Speaker 1: A hammer? Um? Initially I thought that, like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is a pretty even playing field, right, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that Rossio's faster, stronger. But in this, in this challenge,
Speaker 1: I thought that, hey, I could win this thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I actually have a chance.
Speaker 1: It's not just strength or speed, right, you know, craftiness
Speaker 1: and strategy and stuff like that, in efficiency and working
Speaker 1: well under pressure. So I thought I had you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I had a chance, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do my best to win this thing. So how close
Speaker 1: did it actually get? Because watching it, it looked by
Speaker 1: the end to be fairly close. How actually was it,
Speaker 1: Like what was the sort of time difference there? My
Speaker 1: strategy for the last wall of like unscrewing the bolts.
Speaker 1: I was trying to unscrew them all so that they're
Speaker 1: loose and then use my hands, But those bolts were
Speaker 1: freaking massive and super strong, super tight that the best
Speaker 1: strategy was to do one by one, and I didn't
Speaker 1: do that, So it was kind of close, but I
Speaker 1: was probably a minute behind them. I mean, but it
Speaker 1: seems like you caught up then, that you least caught
Speaker 1: up with the other barriers, because initially it looks like
Speaker 1: he's sped through the drywall one, right, like he just
Speaker 1: kicked a few times and kind of sped through. But
Speaker 1: then towards the end you both were working on that
Speaker 1: last barrier, so it seems like you did do something
Speaker 1: right where you you gain ground to get to close.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was it was pretty close.
Speaker 1: It's just there was a lot of those bolts, and
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't tell during obviously, right right. I
Speaker 1: just it seems like he's ahead by based off of
Speaker 1: what Case is saying. Bananas was saying, we thought you
Speaker 1: had him, but you were like stuck at those those locks.
Speaker 1: You couldn't get a locks. I cut him super fast
Speaker 1: and then I was trying to take him. They were
Speaker 1: it was for some reason. They just got stuck. I
Speaker 1: couldn't pull him out all those sabies that we mounted together,
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get it done. Right? Do you now
Speaker 1: when you walk past a dead bolt? Kenny does it
Speaker 1: in elicit and a feeling in you like do you
Speaker 1: have any strong right? Yeah? No? Sometimes I mean just
Speaker 1: when I see any tool, yeah that's fair or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm having shivered nightmares and stuff. So I mean that
Speaker 1: And it sounds like a joke because it partially is.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that listeners fully get you guys. PTSD,
Speaker 1: especially as you get further along in this house, becomes
Speaker 1: a real thing. I know I trusted no one when
Speaker 1: I got back in town after any of the finals.
Speaker 1: I know I was schemed out about where's my phone?
Speaker 1: My ID because I you know, you lose them. You're
Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder like it it does. These little
Speaker 1: things start to mess with your head over time. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, if you do flinch a little when you
Speaker 1: see a lock or feel inspired to kick it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't judge you, Kenny. I would fully support you and
Speaker 1: be like it makes sense? Or do I just termine off? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: I totally I totally get that. Um, okay, this epic
Speaker 1: moment that everyone's been waiting for. Seriously, Kenny, if I
Speaker 1: could give you a hug right now, you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: me to eat be like sit down. But I just
Speaker 1: it was such a powerful moment I feel so inspired by. Okay,
Speaker 1: So walk us through elimination because usually you you go
Speaker 1: back into a van, get your things right, do exit, interview,
Speaker 1: and leave. And I know this is your first season
Speaker 1: two so you don't know all the details of that,
Speaker 1: but that's usually kind of protocoll What did they have
Speaker 1: you do when you left the zone the first time?
Speaker 1: Did they just make you go sit somewhere? Like? How
Speaker 1: walk us through what we didn't get to see after
Speaker 1: your exit? Yeah? So, I mean I really thought I
Speaker 1: was gone. You know, we had no idea that there
Speaker 1: was a chance that I'd be coming back, So I
Speaker 1: mean it seemed like normal exit and they had me
Speaker 1: just sit in a car and just sitting there for like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, thirty minutes, Like are believed like yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just sitting there and all of a sudden they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: come here, let's go over here. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if this was part of the process. They walk me
Speaker 1: back into the zone and I see TJ on the
Speaker 1: freaking stage, and I'm like, do we just all do this?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you see the cameras come back up,
Speaker 1: were you suspicious? You know where the cameraman like lifting
Speaker 1: up their cameras a little bit to like getting it
Speaker 1: was a very small group, right, and they're like first
Speaker 1: time in street someone gets another life or whatever exactly
Speaker 1: what they said. But but nobody knows. Only this small
Speaker 1: crew knows. And it was just like a few couple
Speaker 1: cameramen and like a couple of producers. Oh so even
Speaker 1: the other cameraman and stuff didn't know or like you
Speaker 1: think it was just a small group because they didn't
Speaker 1: want it to leave because people have big mouths. Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so most of the production and and and people help
Speaker 1: them had no idea about this twittert Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: mind blown. I was like, let's sef and go, you know,
Speaker 1: like let's go. And I had to say in a
Speaker 1: hotel for like, how long is it sixteen days or something.
Speaker 1: Did you at least get to go to the pool
Speaker 1: while in the hotel freezing freezing? Okay, So I hurt
Speaker 1: my knee like super bad when we had the mini final,
Speaker 1: the mini finals. Wow. Like when I was in the hotel,
Speaker 1: I could I couldn't even walk with wow, Like I
Speaker 1: could barely walk. I was lumping and it was just
Speaker 1: so so much pain. So my job was just like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to recover. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: I got in the best shape of my life in
Speaker 1: those sixteen days. Amazing. I worked out, I freaking meditated
Speaker 1: and stretched out and did whatever I can because I'm
Speaker 1: coming back in and to win this thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's actually a really good point that I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about. Is not only are you I mean, arguably
Speaker 1: that's a cushies place to be, Kenny. You get to
Speaker 1: play in a normal bed. You don't have to listen
Speaker 1: tobody yelling or knocking boots on the other side of
Speaker 1: the wall. You have to fight for the bathroom YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to get up early like that. The next
Speaker 1: time you guys are doing a challenge in that way,
Speaker 1: let me know and then we can talk like, I'm
Speaker 1: open to those the accommodations. I hope you know I'm
Speaker 1: not fully retired. I can fit the jersey still. But
Speaker 1: also that you could use that time to go beast mode, right,
Speaker 1: so that whenever you do come back, it's a for
Speaker 1: your partner who maybe is weary because they've been fighting
Speaker 1: these battles week after week. You're like, I got you know,
Speaker 1: like doubly strong. That's really um interesting, that's amazing. Did
Speaker 1: you were you inspired to get into fight mode when
Speaker 1: you were in you know, like the secret hotel or whatever.
Speaker 1: We have to come with a better name for that.
Speaker 1: But were you inspired by the fight in Puss in Boots? Like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you were channeling your inner Antonio
Speaker 1: Gandaris energy while sitting in that hotel room so that
Speaker 1: you could come back as like this badass cat. Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was so pumped that I
Speaker 1: had another chance, and I'm like, I'm not gonna squander it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back best mode. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: game muscle, I'm gonna and I came back like physically
Speaker 1: probably the best I've ever been in my entire life.
Speaker 1: Were you sending selfies to your wife while you're away
Speaker 1: because you're like, look bad, no phone. Oh you're still
Speaker 1: gonna have your phone that whole time, sixteen days and
Speaker 1: the whole time by myself. I remember inside the house too.
Speaker 1: I was like thinking, I'm like, damn, my brother, he's
Speaker 1: back at home, you know, fourth the July. I'm happy
Speaker 1: that he's with his family. And yeah, I'm just like
Speaker 1: just imagining him at home. So yeah, yeah, everybody was
Speaker 1: talking about, oh, he's probably with this hanging out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trust nobody. I don't even truckt TJ. That's you definitely
Speaker 1: can't trust TJ. That's the number one person I cannot
Speaker 1: trust on this show. We've learned nothing. You do not
Speaker 1: trust TJ at all. Kenny, do you think you'd come
Speaker 1: back without giving any spoilers because we don't We know
Speaker 1: you're now still in the game, but we don't know
Speaker 1: what happens. But would you ever come back for another season?
Speaker 1: And would your wife allow you to come back another
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a real question right there. Just because
Speaker 1: my wife is pregnant. Congratulations. Yeah, So we have a
Speaker 1: one year old son and then we have another boy
Speaker 1: do this month, So before check this out. So before
Speaker 1: we left to the show, she dropped me, Casey and
Speaker 1: Nannie at the airport and she's like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: a surprise for you and gives me this notebook that
Speaker 1: that opens up and there's a pregnancy test and he
Speaker 1: tells me right there that we have a baby on
Speaker 1: the way right before I'm leaving her the challenge. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, craziest, the craziest thing. So you've just been
Speaker 1: through a whole lot in weeks. I love your wife
Speaker 1: for doing that. By the way, she's got a TJ mentality.
Speaker 1: I love like surprises. Wow, that's amazing. Congratulations. When the
Speaker 1: little ones get a little older than is that, like
Speaker 1: you would you ever consider? I would love I would
Speaker 1: absolutely love to go back on the show. And she
Speaker 1: told me, you know, we talked about it recently. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I would never want to, you know, not
Speaker 1: let you go and do it, and yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: So um, as long as I have her support, I
Speaker 1: would love to come back and and go on the show,
Speaker 1: her show. You know what, though my brothers experienced how
Speaker 1: hard it is in there emotionally mentally. He had no
Speaker 1: idea and I was like, I can't wait for you
Speaker 1: to experience it for yourself. And he knows it was hard.
Speaker 1: He knows it was hard. Do you have a new
Speaker 1: respect for the challengers, Kinny because of that? I mean
Speaker 1: you're one now, but because of how hard? Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: Like you have no idea as a fan just watching
Speaker 1: from the public eye on how difficult, how long it is,
Speaker 1: how how how slow the days are. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Like when my sister told me that days for like
Speaker 1: weeks and then you're in there, and it's like the
Speaker 1: longer you're in there, the longer the days, because the
Speaker 1: less people that go, the quieter it is. And it's
Speaker 1: just like it is definitely crazy. I mean for me,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty mentally stronger, so that like I was chilling.
Speaker 1: I enjoy the whole time. But the hardest part for
Speaker 1: me was emotionally not being there. My wife's going through,
Speaker 1: you know, take care of the baby while being pregnant,
Speaker 1: war warder in a full time job, so I couldn't
Speaker 1: help her helpless. Yeah, but other than that, I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed the whole the whole thing. Um, what kind of
Speaker 1: auntie is Casey? Like? Is she like the cool aunt
Speaker 1: the strict one? Is she the one that's letting your
Speaker 1: kids have candy when you've told her no, Like, what,
Speaker 1: what's the vibe? Oh, she's super awesome, super cool. I
Speaker 1: mean my son is only one and so, but yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's an amazing ant. You can pretend she's not
Speaker 1: sitting right there, Kenny. Actually you know, like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he doesn't eat candy. Yeah, okay, that's fair. That's fair. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what she's gonna be the one.
Speaker 1: I can imagine her like, hey, let's go get some
Speaker 1: ice cream, and it's just yeah, you know, And I
Speaker 1: feel like she gives that vibe. I totally feel like
Speaker 1: Casey gives the vibe of being like, oh, it's cool,
Speaker 1: like come on, let's go do the fun thing, like
Speaker 1: the fun one for sure. Um, all right, so we
Speaker 1: have a final Casey if she hasn't told you, Kenny,
Speaker 1: we love games. I love games. I'm a sucker for
Speaker 1: love getting show good to ending a show in the game.
Speaker 1: So we do have a final game for you. Uh,
Speaker 1: because it's writer Dies, we do three questions for each
Speaker 1: of you about each other. And because you guys aren't
Speaker 1: just writer Dies, you are siblings. I fully expect you
Speaker 1: to get it right or I will come for both
Speaker 1: of you. So first question. This week's challenge was sponsored
Speaker 1: by Puss in Boots. What's your partner? So first I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, Kenny, what is Casey's favorite childhood movie?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, come on, your siblings, I'm only sixteen mos apart.
Speaker 1: I expect you to know. You guys are practically at
Speaker 1: this point movie Oh my goodness, I know one of
Speaker 1: them that comes to mind, but I know yours. Oh
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I have one? Oh you
Speaker 1: have one? Oh? Oh, yeah, I guess I do. Oh
Speaker 1: oh oh? If I mean, I don't watch a lot
Speaker 1: of movies. So you have can either Disney or like
Speaker 1: Lion King, Shrek? Yeah, I love Shrek. I fail my turn.
Speaker 1: His is Alison Wonderland. No wait wait, okay. She said
Speaker 1: that was such confidence, and he said that was such confidence.
Speaker 1: You love Alison Wonderland. I did. But that's what childhood
Speaker 1: and your childhood. Yeah, that's fair. We're gonna give the
Speaker 1: point to Casey. It's Lion King because of her conviction,
Speaker 1: because she said love it back then, love it yeah,
Speaker 1: but also favorite like Lion King. He's trying to sweech
Speaker 1: it up. Now, I'm gonna give Casey that point on
Speaker 1: that one. I'm gonna give Casey that point. But don't worry.
Speaker 1: We got two more. There's there's chances, Kenny, the challengers
Speaker 1: all split up into teams. Now which we know. What
Speaker 1: was your partner's favorite team sport as a child he
Speaker 1: could be playing it or watching it? Casey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you first, what would Kenny's favorite team sport as
Speaker 1: a kid as a kid? Yes, as a kid, soccer, Kenny?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? All right? I like it. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Team USA. They put up a good attempt. Uh. Now, Kenny,
Speaker 1: same question for you. What was Casey's favorite team sport
Speaker 1: to watch your play as a kid as a kid. Yes, Soccer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: soccer probably fo Yeah, Well, in some countries that's football
Speaker 1: soccer is you know? Yeah? Right now? All right? All right,
Speaker 1: so we have two Casey one Kenny. Kenny. Let's see
Speaker 1: if you can tie it up the last. The last
Speaker 1: one is five points. Maybe depends on how how well
Speaker 1: you guys do with the answer. Because I make up
Speaker 1: these rules. There are no presidents. Um, all right, you
Speaker 1: guys were the only sibling parent in the game. Who
Speaker 1: was more annoying growing up? Who was more different? You win? There?
Speaker 1: I just picked the winner. But you get it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you a funny story. Oh yes, there's
Speaker 1: one time I hit my sister. You hit me. We're
Speaker 1: super little. We're like arguing and I get a little
Speaker 1: slap like this roster face and I just I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I just ran. I try to go jump over
Speaker 1: the backyard. I try to go jump over the fence.
Speaker 1: She probably doesn't remember that. She was smat Casey in
Speaker 1: the face. And you hear TJ's calling you the sweetest
Speaker 1: one in the sister in the face. Remember fives, I
Speaker 1: was probably five six years old, super young, but yeah
Speaker 1: I remember, like I give it this week ass slab
Speaker 1: so uh all and all at all. He was the
Speaker 1: most annoying one. Probably you are. I ripped off all
Speaker 1: her her dolls heads and like I would, I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I know. One always asked him to come
Speaker 1: play outside with me and play catch, and he would.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to play because he just wanted to
Speaker 1: play his video games, and so he was very annoying.
Speaker 1: Oh and he stole my clothes. He would steal my
Speaker 1: clothes out my Clow's it. You know what. Yeah, annoying
Speaker 1: forty five minutes in this interview, and now we get
Speaker 1: to see a whole different side. Okay, it's all sweet, Kenny,
Speaker 1: it is all change. Now let's go back to that.
Speaker 1: Who would you trust in the Challenge House. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could trust Ny in the Challenge House
Speaker 1: anymore after we learn these things. Um. Seriously, though, thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much. Casey won that, by the way,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing your story. Thank you
Speaker 1: Casey for bringing Kenny Um to us Challenge fans. We're
Speaker 1: so happy to have you as a part of the family.
Speaker 1: If you haven't figured out by now, Kenny, you know
Speaker 1: as much as everyone bickers and argues and you can't
Speaker 1: trust them all, and it's crazy and wild once you've
Speaker 1: been inducted into it. It really is this weird, dysfunctional
Speaker 1: family in a way that you can't escape because no
Speaker 1: one knows the experience that you guys have shared, that
Speaker 1: we share in being in that house and the rules
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. Um, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a unique thing. So so glad to have you officially
Speaker 1: in the Challenge family. You couldn't have had a better
Speaker 1: ride or die in Casey. We love her. Make sure, though,
Speaker 1: if you have a big event, don't let her and
Speaker 1: a group of challengers go to a strip club the
Speaker 1: night before, because she will not only fall asleep at
Speaker 1: the strip club. At the strip club, she will then
Speaker 1: fall asleep the next day at her Internet. I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna let that. We will be fifty Casey and I
Speaker 1: will be bringing that up. Yes, it wasn't her first time.
Speaker 1: I see. This is why Kenny has to come on
Speaker 1: a season two because we are just now seeing petty
Speaker 1: shady Kenney. He's got it in him. Oh love this
Speaker 1: so much. Okay for those who want to follow along
Speaker 1: with what you guys are doing, where can they find
Speaker 1: you on social media? Kenny, let's start with you. We're
Speaker 1: the best place for people to find you. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: just Instagram official Kenny Clark. It's normal spelling, Yeah, easy official.
Speaker 1: All right, you got it? Casey? Where can they find you? Um?
Speaker 1: You can find me at the strip club? That is true? Yes, No,
Speaker 1: you know Instagram? You know that's that's where you find me.
Speaker 1: What's your handle? Casey? Um? What is my hand on? Casey?
Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty seven? Pay says nineteen eighty seven finding
Speaker 1: me on Instagram. There we go, there we go. Thank
Speaker 1: owe you too, I do. I love you too, so
Speaker 1: so so much. I hope you guys have have fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you again. You cannot wait to see uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if we get to see pick I don't know what's
Speaker 1: to come, but if we get to see images of
Speaker 1: swollen Kenny coming out of his like super training. UH
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what continues to happen with Casey
Speaker 1: on this challenge. And as always, just rooting for you
Speaker 1: guys in general. You guys are a really awesome pair,
Speaker 1: so thank you for being here. Thanks so much, Devin,
Speaker 1: You're awesome. That was a great interview with Kenny and
Speaker 1: k You can't tell me you expect see and Kenny
Speaker 1: showed a different side of himself. We thought he was
Speaker 1: the sweet one who knew that he had an inner
Speaker 1: petty LaBelle too. See that's what happened. Such a great interview.
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