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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the most recent edition of the Giant

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Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast. John Schmilkin shoonahwer with you. Just minutes after

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Speaker 1: the Giants Blue White scrimmage completed here on MetLife Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Show was on the sidelines soaking wet. Did not bring

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Speaker 1: I'll start with the broad question your thoughts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I watched you play your whole career and never so

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Speaker 1: you're playing a scrimmage before didn't meet your expectations. And

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Speaker 1: how useful do you think this is gonna be given

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Speaker 1: there's no preseason games, yeah, John uh Off of the Lineman,

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Speaker 1: still at heart man. No no raincoat, no sleeves in

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Speaker 1: cold weather, you gotta wear it with praude. But it

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Speaker 1: wasn't cold out there today. Let's not making its frost date. No,

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Speaker 1: no no, but you don't wear sleeves on cold weathers

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Speaker 1: and you don't bring rain gear. You just battle the elements.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, yeah, I've actually played in a

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Speaker 1: couple of scrimmages and my rookie year, I remember what

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Speaker 1: the Browns we scrimmage the Colts, and I think there

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Speaker 1: were five fights in the first ten plays. So this

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Speaker 1: scrimmage was different. Not one fight. Um, you know, didn't

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Speaker 1: see any of that. But I've also just over the

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Speaker 1: years you realize the training camp as a process, and

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Speaker 1: you don't get too high, you don't get too low.

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Speaker 1: You don't judge yourself based on a one preseason game

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Speaker 1: or one scrimmage. Um. You just try to stack practices,

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Speaker 1: stack situations, stack plays, and really, you know, for a

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Speaker 1: situation like this, it's it's all about just trying to

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Speaker 1: improve individually. You don't worry about, you know, team statistics

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Speaker 1: and and all of that. I don't think I ever

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Speaker 1: walked away from the first preseason of any game preseason.

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Speaker 1: I never walked away from the first preseason game in

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Speaker 1: any year feeling great about oh Man, our offense lit

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Speaker 1: it up in the first game. So the defense is

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Speaker 1: usually ahead of the curve, but in tonight, you know, John,

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Speaker 1: really the defense I thought look great in two areas.

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Speaker 1: They got off the field on third down and they

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Speaker 1: got out to the quarterback, and those are two areas

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Speaker 1: that they really struggled in last year, and it was

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Speaker 1: it was really nice to see the pressure by Lorenzo Carter,

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Speaker 1: and he did it on both sides. Um we saw

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence pushing the pocket, batting a ball down. We

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Speaker 1: also saw some pass breakups. J Bill Peppers had a

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Speaker 1: really nice one against the tight end, darn A Holmes

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Speaker 1: had one later on in the scrimmage, and then even

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Speaker 1: Grant Haley got his hand on a football too. So defensively,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really a nice job. Tackling is

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Speaker 1: also paramount, and that's why you have a scrimmage like this.

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Speaker 1: You can't wait till Week one to try to figure

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Speaker 1: out tackling. And you know, offensively certainly allowed to improve on.

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Speaker 1: I think the pass protection number one. You know, we

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Speaker 1: heard Joe Jorge talk about it at halftime. They've got

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Speaker 1: it's not just the one on ones. I thought the

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Speaker 1: twist games by the defense all night long really gave

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Speaker 1: this offensive line fits and that's all about continuity and

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Speaker 1: playing with the same guys together. The Giants tonight had

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Speaker 1: three new starters on the offensive line, two new tackles,

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Speaker 1: and Nick Gates in the center. So that culture that

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Speaker 1: they're trying to breed and that continuity, that's gonna take

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Speaker 1: a lot of time. So what can Mark Colombo do

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Speaker 1: and show them that this is what we can't do.

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Speaker 1: We can't beat ourselves. A couple of times I saw

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Speaker 1: a defensive linement unblocked a nose guard. B J Hill

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Speaker 1: think it was Leonard Williams another time that just we're

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Speaker 1: So those are mental issues. Those are things that can

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Speaker 1: I know Mark Colombo is is coaching these guys hard.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were all physical. They gave great effort.

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Speaker 1: great for Matt Parrot, I thought he looked extremely stout.

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